How do Christians explain this? Why is the bible full of contradictions?
Imagine being an atheist in 2026 when God has just annihilated MAGA for idolizing an evil, corrupt, vainglorious sinner and blasphemer like Trump. This was a Biblical punishment, and you still doubt? Come on, man.
>>545982906their response on here is usually to call you a kike and then refuse to elaborate lol
>>545982906Most Christians don't even read the Bible so any contradictions therein have zero influence on their "faith" (which is mostly only held onto for purposes of virtue signaling)
>>545983224Karma doesn't require a God
>>545982906The key is that 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2 is referring to different chronological measurements.2 Kings gives Ahaziah's age as 22 when he began reigning. 2 Chronicles gives 42, which can be understood as the age of the dynasty or royal house associated with Omri, rather than Ahaziah's biological age.
>>545982906he became a king twice
>>545983224How does pointing out contradictions in the bible make me an atheist? Answer the questions in the OP
>>545983360>if I completely change what the bible actually says, it’s no longer a contradiction!Kek
>what are transcription errors?
>>545983368That creates even more contradictions, dumbass. Stop pulling shit out of your ass
>>545983443Either way you're going to burn in hell for denying Christ and on that day you won't be able to use OP's image as an excuse for denying Christ. The Bible is 100% true and inerrant
>>545983224Huh? He's still president, he's still rich, he's still not in prison. If that's "punishment" by your Jewish god, then what are the rewards?
>>545983495There are thousands of different Hells in mythology but, sure, the one for not worshipping "King Jew" is definitely real...
>>545982906Just do what the rest of /pol/ does and just blame it on the Jews. Now make fun of the Quran openly around Muslims.
>>545983475>my bible was written by a bunch of retards who can’t keep a story consistent, take that!>>545983495It can’t be true if it’s full of contradictions, dummy
>>545982906The bible wasn't written in english so i take anything it says with a huge grain of salt.
christians are low-functioning non-sapients, not human beings.
>>545982906heres your primer on provenance and inerrancy. so like maybe "son of 42 years " isnt ahaziahs personal age
>>545983648Hey retard, the same contradictions exist in the Greek Septuagint and the Hebrew Bible
>>545983604You try it.
>>545982906is it possible 2 people had the same name.
>>545982906>>545983224>>545983495Christians imported the very people who voted them out this year, lmao
>>545983678>”Ahazia was 42 years old”>nooooo! He wasn’t actually 42!!!Kek. >son of 42 yearsWhat the fuck does that even mean, retard
>>545983325Well, I have met God before I touched the Bible.
>>545982906human scribal error. he was 22. 22 and 42 in hebrew look similar. nothing about the numbers changes anything in christianity. pretty simple. remember, we don't believe god wrote a book by his own hand. only a nigger would believe such a thing.
>>545983495dumb christkike
>>545983723No, and you would know this if you actually read the bible. Azahia’s parents are mentioned shortly after these verses and his mother and father both have the same names in each.
>>545983803Was he a stranger on the bus?
>>545983803Congrats on not taking seriously the "holy book" you pretend to base your life around
>>545983843But the same contradictions exist in the hebrew bible written by native hebrew speakers. Nobody fucks up their own native language like that
>>545983878>heNot appearing as a human.
>>545983697Try what? To write a story without contradictions? Is this difficult for braindead christcucks to do?
>>545983443The Bible wasn't written in English. You're reading a translation of a translation, also likely a different sects version on top of that.
>>545983917sure they do. in some religions, they even forget what they say from 1 day to the next.
>>545983880I take seriously the teaching of the most powerful. The bible is the greatest martial art book, and God Almighty is the greatest Kung fu Master.
>>545984010The same contradictions exist in the original languages. I’m guessing you have nigger DNA because you’re retarded
>>545983981It's next to impossible. Its different languages over more than two thousand years.
>>545983723Especially kings. How many "king george" have there been?
>>545984045>my religion is just as wrong and retarded as islam, take that!
>>545982906I think it's pretty obvious we lack the original Septuagint. We just have a corrupted Masoretic and a corrupted Greek OT in a Septuagint skinsuit. But that isn't to say that the original was radically different and is no reason to disregard the Bible story as a whole and believe that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the Flesh, the only begotten Son of the Father.
>>545984089> two different King Ahazia’s ruled the same kingdom at the same time and also had a mother and father with the exact same nameLol
>>545983981Just make a hand written copy of 2 kings and 2 Chronicals.
>>545984065They do? Prove it. Start with Vetus Latina.
>>545983917It's a 3000 year old text and yes Hebrew has changed over time quite significantly to the point where such a thing could have easily been overlooked. Furthermore after enough time the error becomes an accepted part of the canon and nobody even tries to correct it anymore, instead choosing to jump through a bunch of theological hoops to justify it instead.I'm not defending it I'm just explaining that it is absolutely a simple scribal error that existed long enough for people to not realize it anymore.
>>545984099well, not really. mohammed is a prophet that retardedly got something wrong he shouldn't. the old testament was scribed by humans. little different.
>>545983971Mantid?
>>545983771meh. heres the geneva Bible
>>545984173>Shit happens, bro
>>545984219More like this.https://youtu.be/uBsJgceM0KI
>>545982906>Name your kid the same as your name.Oh wow idk
>>545982906Unlike muslims they do not pretend their texts are perfect, hence their neverending quest to perfect it and the muslims cobtentedness to stew in their "perfect" retardation.
>>545982906It's written by humans making copies of copies of copies for thousands of years without computers. Humans are prone to errors but the parts inspired by the Holy Spirit are preserved by God himself
>>545983239You are a kike(or crypto kike)100%
>>545984208Muhammad didn’t write the hadiths, retard. They were written by regular humans like the bible.
>>545983443Just seek truth retard. Stop trying to "gotcha" people who genuinely DO seek truth. Nigger.
>>545983771
>>545984188>>545984189>>545984194>>545984224>>545984318How can you trust a book filled with contradictions? How do we know which parts are true and which parts are errors?
>>545983589Man is capable of creating horrors beyond your imagination. We can create the hell you desperately seek to exist in again your will.
>>545984332>Muhammad didn’t write the hadiths, retard. They were written by regular humans like the bible.What made Muhammad supernatural?
>>545984275this movie was spooky>>545984320lol
>>545984332he spoke them. muslims believe prophets are "masum", or infallable. secondly, that is a command. he wasn't speaking about what he had for breakfast. >qal allah, qal al rasul "what allah said, the prophet says". so it was kinda allahs fault as well, or he wouldn't have put 2 contradictory commands in mohammeds mouth. such is life.
>>545983333witnessed
>>545984432the geneva Bible editors believe that ahaziahs father was made king emeritus and he was made acting king for 20 years before his father died
>>545984445He wasn’t. I’m not muslim
>>545984618Yet you imply he wasn't a regular human?
>>545982906Manuscript evidence says no: the Septuagint reads 20 in Chronicles, while the Syriac and Arabic traditions give 22. 42 is a copying error.
>>545984498That isn’t true. Muslims don’t believe hadiths are infallible, many are graded as weak hadiths because of contradictions. It’s the same situation as your religion, dummy
>>545982906Dob't let a little thing like that keep you away from God.
>>545984678Septuagint says 20 and 22, the same contradiction exists. How can he be 22 and 20 at the same time?
>>545984492Different is. In the movie, the entity appeared to imitate the human. The being I have seen made me feel like I am the one who imitate it.It can move in the way I am about to move before I even made a move.That being is capable of predicting the future with 100% precision.
>>545984698my religion? the tanakh (your op picrel), was written by allah, as muslims have explained to me. why did allah get the ages wrong? haram
>>545984698How can you qualify that it is a contradiction when you haven't evaluated whether the relevant translations over the millenia have not introduced these errors? I'm still waiting on that
>>545984790take your meds gook
>>545984758Became king at 32 and reigned eight years. He died at 40 (2 Chronicles 21:20). Ahaziah succeeded him. Therefore, Ahaziah was 22, not 42.
>>545984722Imagine if I wrote a holy book and told you to believe in my depiction of God, and when you pointed out the inconsistencies, I said "Don't let a little thing like that keep you away from God."Wouldn't you be more concerned that my fabricated holy book was keeping you away from God?
>>545983239But if you ARE addressing a literal kike . . .
>>545984873You didn’t answer my question. How can he be 22 and 20 at the same time? The septuagint gives 2 different ages
>>545984862Because the oldest surviving bibles also contain these errors
>>545983759Paid by who?
>>545984872No doubt about it. The being appeared to dispel the doubt I have about God not being omniscienxeGod is certainly omniscience.
>>545982906>the (MYSTERY) is a beautiful lie that only the teller can verify
>>545984432You could always ask the Holy Spirit for guidance; or you can just read John and be saved from this world
>>545984887No.I don't care how old Ahaziah was when he became king.
>>545984816What are you even talking about? Islam is just as retarded as christianity
>>545985036I was a christian up until age 14 and god never talked to me
>>545984966And your going to provide proof of that by showing everyone English Bible's?
>>545985129>why are you using English on an English website?Gee, I dunno
>>545985088neat pic. that's allahs book though, as Ive been told by your brothers. why would allah get the ages wrong? don't be shy now.
>>545984944We cannot establish with absolute certainty whether the original reading in 2 Chronicles was 20 or 22 from these variants alone. Seriously, who cares
>>545984816Muhammad said his revelations were in line with the Bible.Later when people found contradictions between the Bible and Quran, Muslim scholars say the Bible must've been corrupted.Yet we have Bible manuscripts dating to before the time of Muhammad and they didn't change before or after the Quran.So when did this supposed "corruption" occur?Obviously Muhammad never read the Bible and was just talking out of his ass.Muslim scholars can't accept this because that would mean Allah made a mistake and call the whole "omnipotent, omniscient God" thing into question
>>545985121You are not the chosen one, unlike me.
>>545985036>consult the expert "holy spirit">it's up to an entity which by its nature can't be verified >But trust me, once your gone.. my source said XJust pipul yourself
>>5459829062 Kings 8:26 King James Version26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.2 Chronicles 22:2 King James Version2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.
>>545985196yes. i know.
>>545982906>god is not a man nor he is the son of manits all very jewish and a waste of time trying to figure it out and pretend its not
>>545982906>the biblehebrew news
>>545985121
>>545985189>>545985223>my holy book was written by retarded sandniggers who can’t countSAD
>>545985284I’m 25 now. You are dumber than a 14 year old
>>545985232>god is not a man that he should lie, nor a son of man that he should change his mind just finish it correctly next time, abdullah. im starting to think imam sneako is the one that converted you. this is just horrible.
>>545985182>anyone who doesn’t worship my dead rabbi is le muslim o algo
>>545985245brown hand?
>>545985232>The merchant dishonesty is up to useful idiots.Pretty much
>>545985368so you cant say that it's allahs book? very haram
>>545985165Are you functionally illiterate? I was not requesting that you speak a different language.
>>545985422I hate muslims just as much as jews and christians. You’re all equally as retarded and spiritually brown
>>545985474Why does it matter what language I post when the same contradiction exists in every language?
>>545982906this is foolishness. OP is a kindergarten grade satan. There are 2 different King Azahiahs. One reigned over the Northern Kingdom and one reigned over the Southern Kingdom (Judah). Ahaziah of Israel was king from 853—852 BC. The other Ahaziah, King Ahaziah of Judah, was the nephew of King Ahaziah of Israel and the son of Jehoram. He reigned less than one year in 814B.C. and was 22 years old.
>>545985295Look, I know you dont want the Bible to be true so you can keep on being enslaved by sin. But the intellect does indeed get darkened by it. You shouldn try to use reason right now for it is kaput.
>>545985327your math is as bad as your lack of belief in something that is self-evident and proven by good math.
>>545985491I didn't ask you that, fatima. I asked if you can admit that it's allahs book, as muslims have explained to me. I know you're trying. but this is bad.
>>545982906He abdicated then he was becoming a kang again.So hard for burgers to figure it out?
>>5459855302 separate kings yet they both share the same parents? Also, it was the same kingdon, whit pulling shit out of your ass Cope
>>545985555>math proves god>42=22Lol
>>545985645Where does it say that in the bible? I’ll wait
>>545985573Allah isn’t real so how can it be his book? You’re retarded even for a christcuck
>>545985752oh so the christian god is real. good job.
>>545985536The only sin I commit according to the bible is blasphemy, refusing to turn my other cheek and refusing to love my enemies
>>545982906Why don't you ask Jews to explain it?
>>545985790Nope. All abrahamic gods are fake
>>545985524Because you cannot prove that the contradiction exists from origin. I'm going to make a vague guess that you can't read Greek or Latin and you have never seen a Bible written in those languages regardless of translation date, am I right?
>>545985859I am. Why do you think I made this thread?
>>545982906Christ is king.
>>545985950How do you know which parts of the bible are scribal errors and which parts are true to the original?
>>545985672hi shithead. Ahaziah King of Judah was the son of King Jehoram of Judah and Athaliah. Ahaziah King of Israel was the son of Ahab and Jezebel, making him the uncle of Ahaziah of Judah. read the fucking books, clown
>>545986000Just Google it nigger, it's not that hard: error-pronouncement" tribunal, but rather manages Bible and liturgical translation accuracy through a two-tier canonical review process governed by Canon 838 of the Code of Canon Law. Responsibility is divided between local Episcopal Conferences (national conferences of bishops) and the Vatican’s Dicastery for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.And that's just the Catholic church.
>>545986018You haven’t read the bible you goddamn retard. They both have the SAME parents. It explicitly lists his parents BOTH times
>>545982906Simple logic: Ahaziah had two kingdoms. One he inherited when he was 22 years old, and the other when he was 42 years old.I bet you don't do well on tests.
>>545986123Okay, so basically you have no way of knowing.
>>545986000>how do you knowyou don't. knowing is the death of faith
>>545986201Source? What verse says this?
>>545982906Because it's fabrication
>>545983224Address the argument ma'am
>>545986248OP's pic
>>545986206Yep, it's faith base.
>>545982906not a christian. muslims love to shove this in people's faces to "prove" the bible is fake or something.the hebrew phrase says he was a son of 42 years. if he was 42 when he took the throne he would be 2 years older than his father. it means the 42nd year of the dynasty of omri.in the septuagint there is no discrepancy, only in the hebrew.
>>545986206Indeed, precisely why you claiming that it's the same in every version is utterly retarded. No one can speak those languages and they have changed dramatically over time. What you read in an English Bible is the best guess approved by a council and it depends on sect. It 2000 years old, translated multiple times over. There is no basis for you to argue that it truly is a contradiction when no one can easily comprehend the original in the first place.
>>545986334It doesn’t say that>>545986388>in the septuagint there is no discrepancyUntrue. The Septuagint says he was somehow both 22 and 20 at the same time
>>545986154you absolute fucking lazy ass liar.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahaziah_of_Judahhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahaziah_of_Israel
>>545986428>nobody can read koine greekAre you retarded?
>>545983690no, they don't, only in the masoretic text, not the greek septuagint translation
>>545986388one is the nephew of the other. if you go look up the parents, it plainly states it.
>>545986461You can't reason, because you're an atheist.
>>5459865082 Kings 8:25–2625 In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab king of Israel did Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah begin to reign. 26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.2 Chronicles 22:1–21 And the inhabitants of Jerusalem made Ahaziah his youngest son king in his stead: for the band of men that came with the Arabians to the camp had slain all the eldest. So Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah reigned. 2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.BTFO
>>545983604>>my bible was written by a bunch of retards who can’t keep a story consistent, take that!Still better than your entire fucking tribe
>>545986201>Ahaziah had two kingdoms. One he inherited when he was 22 years old, and the other when he was 42 years old.Incorrect King Ahaziah of Judah did not inherit two separate kingdoms at those ages. Instead, the numbers 22 and 42 come from a famous difference between two biblical books describing the same event, his accession to the throne of Judah in Jerusalem:• 2 Kings 8:26 states that Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to reign.• 2 Chronicles 22:2 states that he was 42 years old when he began to reign
>>545986540You haven’t read it then, because the septuagint says he was 22 and 20 at the same time
>>545983843>22 and 42 in hebrew look similar"arbayim" and "esrim" do not look even remotely similar. where did you get this? made it up?
>>545984678>a copying errorin the "word of god" -- that means you can't trust a single word of it to be divinely inspired. not if you're a person who values Reason, the tool given us by our creator to avoid error.
>>545986707I descend from Germanic and Celtic tribes, I’m not jewish like the rabbi you worship
>>545982906By not giving a shit about a dumb typo. >>545983224The book of revelation is co.ing to pass before our eyes, yet people deny it. One lesser sign of the end times is that people will be mad, and they will call the sane people mad
>>545982906Not a christcuck but this just goes to show the care that christcuck scribes in the Middle Ages took when copying their Bible by hand. The numerous spelling mistakes were also a thing.>>545984318Christcuck cope.>>545985196Another christcuck cope, Muslims are able to make the argument because christcucks are so shitty at preserving their own texts. The original Bible doesn’t exist. Almost as if this whole thing could have been prevented if Jesus wrote his own Bible
>>545986508both bible verses in the OP refer to Azahiah of Judah.
>>545983495>Either way you're going to burn in hellChristgroids are just resentful little cunts. That's all there is to it.
>>545986890>The book of revelation is co.ing to pass before our eyes, yet people deny it.Christcucks have been saying this for 2000 years btw
>>545986461>>545986740>The Septuagint says he was somehow both 22 and 20 at the same timeyes i made a mistake, the discrepancy is a different one.scribal error, they did this all by hand. the discrepancy comes from a minority of manuscripts saying one age, and the majority in another. those two historical books come from different manuscripts as well. this is just a history of the kingdom, not the word of God. >>545986612that makes sense
>>545985536>flee from sinjust cut off your balls
>>545986891>muslim makes things worsedude, these are errors inherited from the jews. if anything, medieval scribes were just too meticulous to smoothen out the contradiction.
>>545986882>I descend fromkekshut the fuck up, mutt.
>>545986954So basically, your holy book was written by a bunch of inbred retards who weren’t able to count
>>545987016yes
>>545985952king of the jews
>>545986852>and alsoThe seven pairs of every clean animal and also seven of every birds is a sacrificial thing.You only underline the parts that suit you
>>545987008I’m sorry, did I use a word too complex for your turkroach brain to understand?
>>545987049>'jews' is spelled with 9 letters
>>545983360This or transcription error. Retarded thread.
>>545987008You know more about Jews than your ancestors.
>>545987040Lmao even. At least you’re honest
>>545986428>turns out we have forgotten hebrew and koine greek to such an extent that we cannot read numbers written out in wordsmy brain is full of fuck.
>>545983843Oh come on, why don't you get worked up like the disingenuous shills want you to? You're supposed to read the characterization of someone who likes all the things they accuse you of, get discouraged by their provocation and become an e-theist troon. If you don't fall foe it, then what was all this brigading for?
>>545984432The bible holds spiritual truths and isn't about transcription of historical events at all. Ahaziah could be 2000 years old and it wouldn't matter.
>>545987447How do you know the spiritual “thruths” aren’t also scribal errors?
>>545987124How much lead paint did you drink as a kid?
>>545987486You can recognize them in the most broken english, the message is more important than your transcription error that changed one number.
>>545982906MOohamhead was a pedophile.
>>545987447>The bible holds spiritual truths>adam and eve DID die on that very day, but it was a spiritual death>the world really ended in spring 2012, but it was a spiritual end-of-the-worldthere's a pattern here. apparently "spiritual" in christardese means "not real".
>>545987645Yes if you make up things in your head that other people said everything looks silly.
>>545987061>seven of every birds is a sacrificial thingno shit, sherlock. it says right there they are considered clean (kosher.) the contradiction is that it earlier said TWO pairs of every bird. im not being deceitful at all in my argument--rather, you are a copium-addled copemaxing copetard so you'll summon an excuse for everything which conflicts with your belief system
>>545982906The fact that the Greek manuscripts from the 300s AD say 20 or 22, while the Hebrew manuscripts from the 900s AD say 42, tells textual critics exactly when the error happened.The translators of the Greek Septuagint were working from a Hebrew scroll that existed around 200–100 BC. Because their translation reads 20 or 22, historians know that the original, ancient Hebrew scrolls used to say 22. The mistake ("42") likely didn't exist yet, or at least hadn't become dominant.The error slipped into the Hebrew scribal line somewhere between the time the Greek translation was made and the centuries leading up to the creation of the Masoretic Text tradition.
>>545982906we wuz kangz
>>545987824>Jesus has two parents>"this is a contradiction!"Desperate and unhinged.
>>545987703except all those are things I've personally witnessed christards say. harold camping excused the failure of his first end-of-the-world prediction in 2012 by claiming it was a spiritual apocalypse, and try to argue with any christard about how the snake, not god, told the truth to adam and eve about dying on the very day they eat from the fruit, to see the claim I quoted pop up in the first ten minutes. I don't have to invent stupid things christards say, it's enough if I quote them.
>>545987195>the holy book of god has errors
>>545987824the standard cope is that ine pair is included in seven pairs, and one text locus did not think it important to mention the other six pairs. I am still waiting for the "there were two floods" defense to be made.
>>545987124>'jews' is spelledwhat are you trying to say? that you cant into declension?
>>545987063No, I am simply laughing at your weird Larping. Sure, you are European, anon. Whatever.
>>545988158Well I’m clearly not Navajo, Cherokee or Chippewa. Do you think DNA magically changes depending on where you live?
>>545982906typo
>>545987982Your comment adds to the already ample evidence of christians' lack of reading comprehension, which makes sense as they specifically recruit from the dregs of society
>>545988295How can it be a typo when the words are completely different? It’s not 1 letter off, lol
>>545988288>Well I’m clearly not Navajo, Cherokee or Chippewa.The term you are looking for is "non-native American".
>>545988295pretty awesome typo, typing "arba'im" instead of "esrim". also, what is a typo called in the age of papyrus and reed/feather? they weren't typing.
>>545988499Are you one of the retards who thinks DNA changed based on where you live?
>>545988545*changes
>>545982906That it's a collection of oral histories (OT) and disparate discussions across centuries (NT) and was never intended to be taken literally as a whole, but function instead as a repository of wisdoms and fundamental truths to be interpreted by the reader with the help of his community
>>545983224>actually believes that Trump losing the midterm was the punishment>doesn't realize he's just winding up his arm and getting ready to unleash a shitstorm through the braindead liberals that infest this countrywew lad you're ngmi
>>545988545>>545988643I looked into this:>where you live, including your diet, climate, stress levels, air quality, and lifestyle, does change how your body reads your DNA through a process called epigenetics
>>545988687>the bible isn’t trueI’m glad we agree
>>545988545This shit is exactly like Indians calling themselves higher caste or Aryan because they have ligher skin.Just complete mental illness.>My great grandmother fled germany 100+ years ago>therefor I am europeanI dont get it, something about status inside your nigger society or sth.
>>545988708None of those things change your DNA or your ancestry. Lol. If you’re brown just say that
>>545988775>None of those things change your DNA or your ancestry. LolCorrect. I posted because you are right
>>545988732So blacks living in Europe aren’t African? Are you retarded?
>>545988775>None of those things change your DNAFucking niggers and other immigrants does. And oh boy did your granny get around.>I am not American>I am european mystery meat!!!ok
>>545988722Hey im not a Christian but I did study theology a couple times in college and realized most of my critiques were half baked, outright strawmen, or aimed at the retarded or grifting subset of christtards. Helped me stop being so edgy and disdainful
>>545988835>I am not American>I am european mystery meat!!!ok
>>545988775They can certainly change how your DNA is expressed and passed along
>>545988837>An English-American having children with a German-American is the same as fucking niggersLmao even
Protestants are all going to hell. There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Churh.
>>545988687>was never intended to be taken literally as a wholeit was absolutely meant as solid history. I keep seeing this claim about wisdom in the bible but what wisdom is there in a fucked-up chronology?
>>545988860American is a nationality, European is a genetic/racial identity. You can be both. Try again
>>545988926What kind of retard would knowingly include contradictory accounts if it were intended to be taken literally
>>545988942>American is a nationality,>European is a genetic/racial identityrofl
>>545988901In what meaningful way? I’ve been to Europe twice and nobody assumed I was a foreigner until I spoke English with an American accent.
>>545983360I love this kind of coping, there’s an excuse for anything when it comes to literature’.
>>545989040Apparently you gained mind reading skills by growing up wherever you did
>>545982906You're a kike and I refuse to elaborate
>>545989035>still can’t comprehend the difference between race and nationality>a nigger born in London is English Reminder that anti-White leftists say the exact same thing
>>545988427sneed>>545988509it was fairly common back in the day. when they were copying scrolls one by one. The day was probably getting long, he had been transcribing the scroll repetitively day after day for years, he was getting sleepy, he looked out the window and got distracted by a local whore walking with her tits hanging out down the street and lost his train of thought momentarily. its quite understandable.
>>545989090It’s obvious when natives would approach me speaking Swedish, German, French, Russian etc. instead of English.
>>545983759Can we see pictures of the "Christian groups" finance boards members
>>545988412Matthew and Luke present different genealogies for Jesus because they serve different purposes. While both lists connect Jesus to King David, they take entirely separate paths. Matthew traces the legal, royal line through Joseph, while Luke traces the biological line through Mary.Matthew writes primarily for a Jewish audience to prove that Jesus has the legal right to the throne of Israel. He uses a forward-moving chronological order that starts with Abraham and moves down to King David, through King Solomon, and eventually to Joseph. Throughout the list, Matthew uses the explicit word "begat" to show direct father-to-son succession. However, at the very end, he breaks this pattern to protect the doctrine of the virgin birth, stating that Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus. This firmly establishes Joseph as the biological son of Jacob, giving Jesus the legal status of an heir to the royal throne through adoption.
>>545989119Anti-white leftists also occasionally identify as a random culture they find cool, just like you.Literal mental illness.
>>545989272Luke, on the other hand, was a physician writing to a broader Gentile audience, focusing on Jesus's literal human biology and status as the savior of all mankind. His list moves backward, starting with Jesus and tracing all the way back to King David through a different son, Nathan, and ultimately back to Adam and God. Because ancient Jewish naming conventions required lines to be framed around males, women were typically omitted from formal lists. To keep the genealogy legally valid while tracking Mary's biological line, Luke includes Joseph but puts a major qualification on it.Luke explicitly notes that Jesus was "being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli." In the original Greek grammar, every single name in Luke's list is preceded by the definite article "the" except for Joseph's name. This deliberate grammatical exception signals that Joseph is a placeholder to satisfy naming conventions. Because Joseph was the son of Jacob according to Matthew, he becomes the son-in-law of Heli in Luke. By tracing the lineage through Mary's father Heli, Luke provides the physical, biological proof that Jesus is a blood descendant of David.
>>545989169>they spoke in their native language instead of guessing mine among the dozens of possible candidate for a EuropeanI bet those were profound trips, connecting with your deep cultural and genetic roots lel
>>545983360>2 Chronicles gives 42, which can be understood as the age of the dynasty or royal house associated with OmriSo:"Ahaziah was 42 years old"somehow means "The dynasty or royal house associated with Omri was 42 years old"Why didn't the jews who wrote the book just say that then?We're hitting levels of retarded christcuck cope that shouldn't even be possible.
>>545989298The phrase "of Heli" relies on a Greek grammatical structure called the genitive case, which simply denotes family belonging and can mean "son-in-law" just as easily as "son." While Luke uses this exact "of [Name]" pattern for every single generation all the way back to Adam, he introduces a highly deliberate grammatical exception for Joseph. In the original Greek text, every name in the entire list is preceded by the definite article tou (meaning "the" or "of")—except for Joseph.By omitting this article only before Joseph's name and immediately resuming it with Heli, Luke structurally breaks the biological chain. This subtle grammatical glitch serves as a parenthetical spacer, signaling to the reader that Joseph is merely a legal placeholder. Because the grammar bypasses Joseph and connects the line directly from Heli onward, it demonstrates that the list is tracking the physical ancestry of Mary's family, making Joseph the son-in-law of Heli by marriage.
>>545989376A Frenchman and a German communicate in English. English is the Lingua Franca in most of Europe. People wouldn’t approach me speaking their own native languages if they assumed I was an american tourist, retard.My DNA is 100% European. Keep coping about being a brown subhuman nigger
>>545982906>what is Masoretic vs Septuagint LXX2 Chronicles 22:2 See 2 Kings 8:26; Hebrew forty-two; Septuagint twenty
>>545986852The difference in numbers between the animal pairs on the ark directly reflects a practical survival strategy tied to ancient sacrificial laws. If Noah had only brought a single pair of clean animals or clean birds, sacrificing even one of them after leaving the ark would have immediately driven that entire species to extinction. By bringing seven pairs of the clean categories, Noah was provided with a sustainable surplus, allowing him to perform the required sacrifices of thanksgiving without endangering the future survival of those species. Conversely, the unclean animals—which were strictly forbidden from being used in sacrifices—did not need a surplus, so a single pair was sufficient to preserve their kind.To fully understand this, it helps to look at how Genesis uses these categories. In the earlier parts of the flood narrative, the text uses general terms to describe the preservation of most animals broadly, emphasizing the survival of all living creatures by pairs. However, the second, more detailed command introduces the specific distinction between "clean" and "unclean." Because Moses is the traditional author of Genesis, he wrote the text for an audience already familiar with the Mosaic Law, retroactively applying the concepts of ritual purity to Noah's time to explain why certain animals required a greater surplus for future worship.
>>545989665This specific distinction relies on an objective phenomenon of Biblical Hebrew grammar known as "ellipsis with gapping." In this ancient literary style, when a modifier like "clean" is applied to a primary group, a closely linked second category introduced right after it automatically inherits that same modifier to avoid repetitive phrasing. In Genesis 7, God sets up a precise mathematical framework where clean animals are taken by sevens and unclean animals are taken by twos. When the text immediately introduces the birds and assigns them the number seven, the shared quantity grammatically forces the birds to absorb the "clean" modifier from the preceding line.The narrative confirms this grammatical carry-over in Genesis 8:20, where it explicitly states that Noah built an altar and sacrificed of every "clean animal" and every "clean bird." Because Noah could only sacrifice birds that he had a surplus of, the text relies entirely on the reader understanding that the seven pairs of birds were clean from the very beginning.
>>545989121There are also many manuscripts that do not contain the error, proving that it in fact was actually just a typo. Not only does it not change anything about the character or message of God at all, but the true version was even preserved by others. God's divine power is truly amazing. Praise Him.
>>545989665>>545989695tl;dr your copewhy didnt yahweh the foreskin demon just instruct the jews to write his holy word using plain language that doesn't require sixteen paragraphs of pilpul to interpret?
>>545986852seven pairs, aka two, of every kind of bird.how fucking stupid do you have to be.
>>545982906Well, the thing is, is that the majority of the context is veiled, so we are not able to see the whole picture here. Who knows if everything in the Bible is true though? It sure is fantastical to believe some man supposedly came down from heaven, and was born to a virgin named Mary. Even in the book of Daniel, it speaks of 3 men being cast into a furnace of fire, by the decree of King Nebuchdnezzar, and accoring to the "most true scripture, they had "survived". Does this sound like truth, or a fairy-tale here? I sure as breath have never seen anyone, or have witnessed footage of someone being cast into a great deal of fire- and, coming out unscathed. When it comes down to it, it comes off as a fairytale, perhaps some sort of book used to control people. Religions throughout history have used "holy scripture" to control people. It's interesting to compare many different religious texts, and perhaps coming to your own truth, and deriving multiple ideas from all of them, and- making your own philosophy? Who knows?All I know, is that there is so much unknown things out there, and who knows how much creatures in the bottom of the sea we haven't discovered yet. It's cool to think about.
>>545989832How did he get penguins on his boat?
>>545988925Actually catholics go to hell for idolatry (praying and burning incense for statues of ishtar who they pretend is Mary) and sorcery (communing with the dead). Also for pretending the apocrypha is canon when it contradicts the real 66 books of the Bible. Also believing in 50 year old nonsensical doctrines like papal infallibility that make no sense because popes and apostolic fathers contradict each other and make decrees that are the opposite of one another all the time. Imagine beliving the Borgias pope was infallible, having prostitutes in the vatican and such. Despicable worldly and paganistic false disciples.
>>545989776>refuses to address or even review substance of argumenttl;dr I accept your full and unequivocal concessiob.
>>545989924the same way as with all the other animals.
>>545990014He went all the way to Antarctica?
>>545990048>he thinks the world was the same before and after the flood
>>545989924They walked onto it?
>>545986000>How do you know which parts of the bible are scribal errors and which parts are true to the original?Direct mystical experience. Also sometimes revealed to me in dreams.
>>545986891>Another christcuck copeI'm not religious.
>>545990134So penguins used to live in the middle east? Lmao even>>545990150They walked all the way from Antarctica to the middle east? And then walked back?
>>545989776>write his holy word using plain language that doesn't require sixteen paragraphs of pilpul to interpretthe rabbis would be out of a job then
>>545989776>yahweh the foreskin demonoh no, they don't murder their babies like ALL OF THE OTHER TRIBES WERE DOING.>plain languagethe Israelites were lactose tolerant White people with high intelligence.this is why shitskins love the evil simplicity of Mohammad's call to murder for "booty" and rape slaves. Pirates are not known for being erudite >>545989895we can be certain that the glacial flooding during the continental glacier retreat is real. which coincides with the time period that Noah would be living in.which is also why God could promise not to use flooding as a means to wipe out evil again.
>>545986000Because there are manuscripts containing the correct age in both books. Also, there are no manuscripts containing versions of verses that alter the message or character of God.
>>545990219>The African penguin (Spheniscus demersus) is the only penguin species that breeds on the African continent, found along the southern and southwestern coasts of South Africa and Namibia.
>>545990219Who said Noah was from the middle east? Also why do you think the same continents existed before the entire world was covered in water for an entire year?
>>545990317>penguins walked from south africa, through thousands of miles of jungles and deserts to get to the middle east, and then walked all the way back to south africaLmao
>>545982906I don't have an answer, I don't try to interpret the Bible. If I have a question I ask my priest.
>>545990390you missed the point retard.
>>545990261>alter the message or character of God.this is what they want to avoid talking about at all costs.
>>545990332Because the current continents have existed for far longer than humanity has existed. Are you retarded?
>>545990442New Covenant "priests" are unbiblical and satanic.
>>545983443>>545989079>>545989460>explain why these two passages contradict each other>Here is potentially why>NOO REEEE THAT DOESNT COUNTLmao jew.
>>545990444How did the new zealand kiwi bird make it on the boat? You’re the retard who can’t understand how the story is impossible
>>545990483Incorrect. The Earth is 6,000 years old. You are a freemason indoctrinated imbecile who thinks he is a genius for appealing to authority (a logical fallacy) and believing official narratives. Just a groupthinking ignorant effeminate moron.
>>545990521The only explanation is scribal error, which most christcucks ITT have already admitted. Keep coping
>>545983239Thats not just the Christians and not just when the bible is being explained. You are just a kike and get called out alot.
>>545990554no, youre just a retard that refuses to understand.
>>545990583>The Earth is 6,000 years old.
>>545990231>the Israelites were lactose tolerantNot really, Ancient humans, including populations in the Middle East and Europe,.regularly consumed animal milk from domesticated livestock long before the genetic mutation for lifelong lactase persistence became widespread.
>>545990649Help me understand how a flightless bird endemic to New Zealand made it to Noah
>>545990521I mean his explanation was objectively wrong. It does refer to his real biological age in both books and it was a copyist error contained in certain manuscripts. It isn't the "gotcha" atheists think it is though. Other manuscripts have the correct age. They are just desperate to believe they won't be judged for their immorality, puppets of satan signing their own death warrants with their naive pompous arrogant mouths.
>>545982906Why do Christians need to explain Jewish OT shit?Ask a fucking jew you fucking jew.
>>545983391>>545986303There's no need to be pedantic. A contradiction in the Bible? 'Tis but a scratch. It makes God relatable.
>>545990768>It makes God relatable.No doubt, because "God" is man made
>>545990662>be atheist>"there is no intact dinosaur cartilage/tissue. this proves evolution and the earth is 50 quabillion years old">"cartilage cannot last more than 10,000 years that's why there is none and we are very sure we are correct">*finds intact cartilage*>"Ummm no actually we are still right somehow because reasons. Our timeline is always correct even when proven incorrect we can do infinitely complex mental gymnastics and still preserve our narrative"Manipulation via intimidation and humiliation is not an argument. It is a feeble-minded idiot's version of discourse, and you are objectively wrong.
>>545990698Jesus taught primarily from the Old Testament. The New Testament quotes it over 180 times. There are over 300 prophecies about Jesus in the Old Testament. You are an unlearned imbecile and an embarrassment.
>>545985332kikejew crossjew or cubejew its all the same shit cope harder rabbi worshipper
>>545990231>they don't murder their babiesyes they did. consistently through the old testament they were doing sacrifices to the sexy gods of their neighbors instead of to the donkey-headed incel yahweh. that's why yahweh was constantly seething and threatening to wipe them out--he even changed his name to "Jealous" (Exodus 34). he eagerly accepted Jephthah Hookersson's sacrifice of his daughter, it was a pleasing aroma in his gigantic quivering nostrils
>>545990698>he calls the holy book of jesus shitDo christians really?>>545990851>"cartilage cannot last more than 10,000 years that's why there is none and we are very sure we are correct"This isn’t true, you just made it up kek
>>545990583>The Earth is 6,000 years oldYou're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>545990663Cool. Now explain the mosaics at Bar Huqoq, Dura Europos, and Beit Alfa synagogues where all the Israelites are depicted as white.
>>545990934For a long time, the dominant scientific consensus was that organic soft tissues, including cartilage and collagen, could not physically survive for millions of years. Standard biochemistry models and textbook math regarding protein degradation estimated that under normal environmental conditions, these organic structures should completely break down within thousands or tens of thousands of years. Because of this, the automatic assumption in paleontology was that ancient fossils had to be entirely mineralized into stone, meaning no one actively looked for surviving soft tissues.This long-held paradigm was completely shattered when paleontologists began discovering flexible soft tissue, blood vessels, and eventually 75-million to 115-million-year-old cartilage cells preserved inside dinosaur fossils. These findings initially sparked massive skepticism and debate within the scientific community because they directly violated the established mathematical decay models. To explain how these tissues beat the expected expiration date, scientists had to revise their understanding of fossilization, ultimately discovering that rare chemical processes—such as iron-mediated preservation and tight mineral encapsulation—can act as natural time capsules that stop the standard decay clock entirely.
>>545990598christcucks can't admit there are any errors at all in their bible, because their religion is based on the entire thing being divinely inspired
>>545990983The pale skin tones seen in certain panels of these synagogues do not represent modern concepts of race or white identity. Instead, they reflect artistic blueprints of the Greco-Roman world, the limitations of provincial stone mosaics, and a symbolic visual language where color was utilized for narrative clarity rather than ethnic realism
>>545990951The Word of God is not an opinion. Atheist fallible man-made conjecture is though.
>>545991095>scientific theories are updated as technology improvesWow, I never knew this
>>545990934>This isn’t true, you just made it up kekHe did. Experimental decay studies show that soft tissues and unmineralized proteins like collagen typically degrade completely within thousands to tens of thousands of years under normal geological conditions.
>>545991111>the israelites depicted themselves as another race for centuries because... brown rocks didn't exist >yet there are brown rocks used for hair color and objects that could have been used for skin tone>people just chose to pretend to be white in entirely different regions across different centuries because "muh artistic" or somethinglol. lmao
>>545982906He was re-elected
>>545982906both of those are history books, and despite any protestations otherwise haven't the slightest hint of being divinely inspired.
>>545983601awwww....poor jews
>>545991128>The Word of God is not an opinionThat's your opinion lol>fallible man-made conjecture is though.Aka "God's word" kek
>>545991184>"updated" by maintaining the same narrative in light of contradictory irrefutable evidence>proof of being wrong discovered = technology improvingWhat the cope?
>>545991196>under normal geological conditions.but not ALL geologic conditions, spic retard.
>>545990934>Do christians really?He got a different meaning out of it than the jews and rebelled against their reardation.Therefore, the entire religion hinges on the inconsistencies of jewish (probably) lies.Interesting thought.
>>545991267You will go to hell, idiot.
>>545991213Look at this cope and none arguments
>>545991291So you believe jesus’ holy book is jewish shit? I’m glad we agree
>>545991283>but not ALL geologic conditionsCorrect. That's the point. Fuck dude >>545991314No I won't.
>>545991283Actually it was the scientific consensus that it was under all conditions under the soft tissues were found. They changed their entire theory based on the discovery of proof of it being wrong and instead of admitting they were wrong about the Earth's age they invented vague unspecified special circumstances where it magically inexplicably lasts longer. lmao
>>545991328>"they didn't have rocks matching their skin tones for the mosaics">*points out brown rocks used for horses and hair color*>"m-muh nonargument!"Lmao. cope
>>545991380until* they were found not under
>>545991380>theories are updated when new evidence is discovered Wow, I never knew this.
>>545991374>"We know that we were in fact right anyway based on the fact that we were proven wrong"
>>545982906>Why does muh book of bronze age mythology has contradictions in it?Trust the plan.
>>545991380>instead of admitting they were wrong about the Earth's ageCan you give an example?>>545991440Try less strawman kiddo. You're really bad at this
>>545991499>how does science workKek
>>545991469>"we can't be wrong about the age of the earth so the entire laws of physics and everything we have ever observed about biochemistry must be wrong and we can't specify why but we know that we are right just like we were sure before being proven wrong. trust us this time though"Judeo-masonic fairy tales will never be science.
>>545991516>directly addressing argument verbatim and disproving it = strawmanlol. lmao
>>545991559>kabbalist fairy tales >scienceroflmao
>>545991570>Judeo-masonic fairy tales will never be scienceLike virgin girls in Rome era Levant giving birth >>545991598You did neither lol
>>545991369The OT is jewish shit of course.
>>545982906>Hurr durr why does ancient historical chronicle compiled by different people over hundreds of years not have consistent dates?I'm so tired of midwit retard atheists mindlessly repeating mindless midwit retard atheist hot takes they heard from other mindless midwit retard atheist.>scientific literature changes over time>That means its working!>Biblical literature changes over time>Umm explain yourselves christkeks.
>>545991570>i don’t trust science, instead I trust ancient inbred desert kikes who can’t write a single holy book without tons of contradictionsLmao
>>545991633Another none argument.Kek
>>545990598There are other ancient manuscripts that don't have that error. Keep coping.
>>545991646>>Biblical literature changes over time>>Umm explain yourselves christkeks.Coming from thr group who claims their God is unchanging and his word infallible. The criticism makes sense
>>545991722Okay then, prove it. Which manuscript? Where is your evidence?
>>545991105>the entire Bible is based on/limited to one erroneous manuscriptHistorically and archaeologically illiterate intellectual infant.
>>545991634What in the esl is going on with your reading comprehension?
>>545991820>reddit copeKek.
>>545990983>mosaics at Bar Huqoq>elaborate synagogue dated to the 5th century CE>incorporates pagan Hellenistic imagesyeah.. im not wasting my time on the other two you mentioned
>>545991669>Single book.>Comparing tales from two different books.Interesting.I too love secular judaism, because secular jews (athiests) aren't competing with me for a place in heaven.
>>545991765See:>>545987949The age discrepancies in the Old Testament historical books regarding the ages of King Jehoiachin and King Ahaziah are the most famous examples of numerical scribal errors in biblical history. In the books of Kings, Jehoiachin is listed as eighteen and Ahaziah as twenty-two, but in the books of Chronicles, their ages appear as eight and forty-two. To trace the specific manuscripts that contain these errors versus the ones that preserve the correct numbers, textual critics look to distinct manuscript families, including the standard Hebrew text, ancient Greek translations, and early Syriac translations.The error versions dominate the traditional Hebrew textual lineage because they stem from a singular master lineage that suffered an early copying mishap. The vast majority of surviving Hebrew manuscripts, including the celebrated Aleppo Codex from around 920 AD and the Leningrad Codex from 1008 AD, read eight and forty-two in the Chronicles passages. Because the Masoretic scribes were meticulously committed to copying exactly what was on the scroll in front of them without fixing obvious typos, they preserved these early numerical slips. In ancient paleo-Hebrew and later Aramaic scripts, numbers were represented by letters. For Jehoiachin, the Hebrew letter Yod represents the number ten. If a portion of an early master scroll was smudged, torn, or faded, a scribe copying Chronicles could easily miss the letter, accidentally reducing eighteen to eight. For Ahaziah, the letters for twenty and forty looked strikingly similar in certain scripts, leading to a visual copyist mistake.
>>545991905>it’s okay they contradict each other because it’s technically different books!!!This is what retardation looks like
>>545992029The correct versions are preserved in a small handful of exceptional Hebrew copies and several highly authoritative ancient translations that branched off before the Masoretic master scrolls were damaged. The Septuagint, which is the ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible compiled in Egypt between the third and first centuries BC, used Hebrew scrolls that predated the damaged Masoretic text. Because of this, major Septuagint codices like Codex Vaticanus from the fourth century AD and Codex Alexandrinus from the fifth century AD read eighteen and twenty-two uniformly across both Kings and Chronicles. Similarly, the Syriac Peshitta, translated in the second century AD, preserves the correct ages because those translators were working with early Hebrew texts that had not yet lost their numeric strokes. Furthermore, when modern scholars evaluated over thirteen hundred distinct Hebrew manuscripts in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, a small few standalone Hebrew copies were found that actually read eighteen in Chronicles, proving that a parallel, error-free Hebrew stream survived in tiny pockets.Historically, older translations like the King James Version strictly followed the standard Masoretic Text, meaning they printed the numbers exactly as they appeared in the flawed Hebrew copies and forced readers to wrestle with the apparent contradiction. However, modern text critics look at internal historical context, such as Babylonian administrative tablets that prove Jehoiachin already had multiple wives and children when he was captured, meaning he could not have been an eight-year-old child. Because of this overwhelming historical data combined with the ancient Greek manuscript evidence, modern versions correct the text in Chronicles to read eighteen and twenty-two while including a footnote to explain the variant.
>>545991111>ai copypastaew. please dont
>>545992029Again, you trust illiterate desert kikes who contradict each other over modern White scientists.
>>545992116Notice how they don't say it's wrong.
>>545992063I mean as a Christian who knows the Bible is the true and inerrant Word of God I agree with you that his argument is idiotic. So is your's though just for a different reason.
>>545992153>over modern jewish kabbalah-practicing baal-worshipping child-safricing satanic freemasonic white scientists*Ftfy
>>545992063Retardation looks like making a seething thread about Kings and Chronicles then seething like a faggot because some jew wrote something down wrong in a sequel.Kings and Chronicles are jewish history.Atheists are jewish golems.
>>545992201>as a Christian who knows the Bible is the true and inerrantIs circumcision of a healthy baby objectively wrong?
>>545992201It can’t be 100% true if there are contradictions>>545992302Most scientists are atheist or agnostic, but okay, if that’s what helps you sleep at night
>>545992193I literally said that it's wrong and not a single articulate and comprehensive refutation I have posted has been disproven once. Actual intelligent replies that dispute your fictitious narratives go completely ignored. My posts have almost no replies. You purposely seek low-hanging fruit and fear objective reason.
>>545992313I’m glad you admit jesus was jewish since he considered the OT to be his holy book
>>545992193the christian who replied did say it's wrong, and he mocked it >>545991213
>>545992377There are manuscripts that do not contain the age errors. All of scripture is not dependent on specific manuscripts. There are thousands. It is clear which one is correct based on logic, deductive reasoning, and context. All the other "contradictions" I have addressed and refuted comprehensively and decisively in a way you are too afraid to reply to. That in itself speaks volumes. Most jews are "atheists" too. You really thought you did something there, child?
>>545992384>I literally said that it's wrong and not a single articulate and comprehensive refutationNope
>>545992490>his personal feelings are true!Lol, lmao
>>545982906This thread is pretty common, the answer is "the people who wrote the KJV translation cant read and made shit up again". Both ages of 22 and 42 are seperate, incorrect translations of 31.
>>545992511The oldest surviving manuscripts contain the error though. People only began removing it centuries later
>>545992593The septuagint also contradicts itself, retard
>>545991757The age of some random king isn't "the word of God " namefaggot. Get a fucking life I'm sick of seeing your dumb ass popping up in every dumb ass atheist thread.>Hurr but Timothy 3:16>Paul said that the are useful teaching tools therefore any typo that ever occurs in a Bible somewhere invalidates the Bible I'm tired of morons that think they're geniuses.
>>545982906>kike fantasy book is full of bullshitWOAH
>>545992314The New Testament explicitly says not to circumcise people anymore. Furthermore, brit milah was actually just removing the very pink tip part that hangs off, which was not objectively wrong. Medical circumcision (brit periah) is a rabbinic jewish invention from the 2nd century A.D. that no one in the entire Bible ever practiced or even heard of. It was done because the Israelites were ethnically identical to Mediterranean white populations and stretched their foreskins out to blend in among Greeks from whom they were indistinguishable. Brit periah is satanic and objectively disgusting/immoral. Practicing circumcision today is equally demonic and against God's commandments unless you are a messianic jew.
>>545992651>>545992654>The age of some random king isn't "the word of God " namefaggotWhen did I say it was?Can you answer>>545992314>Is circumcision of a healthy baby objectively wrong?
>>545992680Lmao noscoped
>>545992384>You purposely seek low-hanging fruityou may be right about that but also you're projecting:>i havent been refuted yetyes you have >>545991881 cherry-picker
>>545992744>The New Testament explicitly says not to circumcise people anymoreNo it doesn't. And that's not what I asked
>>545992744Oh and practicing brit periah even in modern terms is demonic regardless I should specify
>>545992314Obviously.>>545992404He was probably more invested in the first five books, and maybe influenced by Malachi.I can't see Jesus really giving a shit about Moshe Ben Moshe history.But ultimately I don't care too much because I'm an agnostic.I just like toying with the Christian-brain God-haters who think God is real secretly and are super pissed their mother told them, "No Snickers!" at the store so they hate a being they say they don't believe in so much they seethe endlessly when you say something like, "Donate to your local church".You niggers are always so fun to toy with.
>>545992832>Obviously.Congrats. You have better morality than the God of the bible
>>545992777>has never read the Bible>tries to teach/correct others about itGalatians 5:2–6Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.Galatians 6:15Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.1 Corinthians 7:18–19Was any man called already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
>>545992966Acts 15:24–29We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.Philippians 3:2–3Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those mutilators of the flesh. For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh.Colossians 2:11–12In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
>>545992580im saying it's weak argument to reply on ai response, it leaves you vulnerable. my reply to his claim was stronger than that ai-rubbish.
>>545992777Your question was also addressed and answered specifically. Learn how to read first, then talk to me.
>>545992751>When did I say it was?Are you you stupid?What's the point of this whole thread then?>Is circumcision of a healthy baby objectively wrong?No, and as an atheist you have no objective standard of morality that you can appeal to in order to contradict me.
>>545992966>>has never read the BibleSure have. None of what you quoted says circumcision is banned or not to do it. Only that it has no value So again. Is circumcision of a healthy baby boy objectively wrong?
>>545993002Genetic fallacy is tantamount to a concession.
>>545992904I'm fairly certain the Demonic entity the Jews worship isn't the same God Christians worship.Man was created in God's image, therefore there's no reason to circumcise.Circumcision has never made sense to me unless the God of jews is defective or spiteful, or simply attempting to deny humanity something.
>>545993063Question was already answered extensively, elaboratively, and comprehensively.
>>545993002>im saying it's weak argumentAgreed.>>545993044Nope. YOU never answered it. >>545993049>>Is circumcision of a healthy baby objectively wrong?>NoYou're no different a tranny >>545993049>as an atheist you have no objective standard of morality that you can appeal toSure do.
>>545993084Satanic gnostic heresy. Modern jews do worship satan, but the Israelites of the Old Testament worshipped Jesus Christ. You have no idea what you're talking about at all.
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>>545990693if you had ab ounce of intelligence you would ask how the bird got there AFTER the flood.
>>545993084>I'm fairly certain the Demonic entity the Jews worship isn't the same God Christians worship.found the marcionite.
>>545993049>>Is circumcision of a healthy baby objectively wrong?>No>>545993294
>>545993196>but the Israelites of the Old Testament worshipped Jesus Christ.Nigga you ass drunk as fuck. Sober up before you @ me with stupid shit.
>>545993303You didn’t answer the question
>>545990583>>545990662>IN THE BEGINNING, God created the heavens and the EarthI personally believe that the Earth always was. It is as old as anything else in this pocket of creation we call the universe. "The beginning" could have been a short time ago or a long time ago, no one can know, because creationism suggests creation in a mature state not an infant or incomplete state. The mature creations would be created with a percieved history of funtion, and history of igredients etc, which isn't actually there but prrsumed when looked at after the creation event.>the earth was without form and voidNo life, specifically no oberservors (observation gives 'form' in this universe) was upon it, when God decided to repopulate it over a span of who knows how long. Likely, in my mind, after whatever was on here prior was wiped out by catalysm. The previous atmosphere was cleared to let in the light and make visible the sky. Water covered the earth, but a portion of that water was gathered up to simultaneously create land and to be divided into molecules into oxygen and hydrogen to use the oxygen within the atmosphere while the hydrogen bled out to "above the firmament" or outside of the atmosphere, and this new or restored atmosphere allowed for the water cycle commense or recommense, and then the plant and animal lifeforms were added etc etc.Anyway, my main point is that the whittling down to challenge specificities is unnecessarily limiting what the words can mean while still being true, and there are many ways the word can apply to complex unforseen mechanisms while still being accurate. Also not all believers believe the same thing, obviously.
>>545990693Because the same land masses, islands, oceans, continents, etc. that existed after the flood did not exist before it, as has been reiterated to you ad infinitum. We can't teach you to read.
>>545993454Proof?
>>545993189>You're no different a trannyAtheists have no objective moral justification to oppose gender transition.>Sure do.No you don't. You have cultural norms rooted in Western beliefs regarding the ethics of inducing harm. You have no objective standard by which you can claim otherwise without appealing to those cultural norms, and none of those cultural norms are rooted in objective scientific reasoning.
>>545993454There's zero evidence of a global flood happening in 40 days and nights
>>545993049>>Is circumcision of a healthy baby objectively wrong?>Nowhy are christcucks obsessed with mutilating baby penises?
>>545993429You can know if you actually read the Bible. The lifespans of Adam's entire bloodline are given, including Adam himself, after the explicitly literal 7-day creation, thus Earth is 6,000. You are undermining the integrity of God's word with pseudointellectual pedantic jargon. Woe to you, who are wise and clever in your own eyes.
>>545993501Lmao rekd.
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>>545993539I'm not the one who brought it up, so clearly it's not me that's obsessed.I believe it is subjectively wrong, and make no blanket objections to its practice as an objective part of reality.
>>545993501>have no objective moral justification to oppose gender transitionSure do.>>545993501>No you don't.Sure do. It's you who doesn't. As.your "God" is nothing more than your personal feelings and opinions
>>545993342>marcioniteNot really. They are heretics who believed in multiple gods. I said "Demonic entity". specifically as it's obvious the god the jews speak of hates their fucking guts.If the Judaism is real, then the saviors are people like Hitler who keep killing them for being evil. Hitler was like the 100th savior as he sure wasn't the first to say, "Fuck this bullshit".
>>545984443you won't do shit lol
>>545993374The New Testament quotes the Old Testament 180 times and the Old Testament has over 300 prophecies about Jesus.The claim that Jesus was introducing a different God than the God of the Old Testament is a historic heretical argument that is completely contradicted by basic reading comprehension, deductive reasoning, and the explicit text of the New Testament. If Jesus were a separate, rival deity attempting to rescue humanity from the God of the Hebrew Scriptures, His arguments would be structured to reject and replace the authority of the Old Testament. Instead, Jesus does the exact opposite, using strict logical deduction to prove that a refusal to believe in Him is actually a betrayal of the very God the Israelites claimed to worship.In the Gospel of John, Jesus repeatedly uses the words and authority of the Old Testament prophets to validate His identity, making it impossible to separate Him from the God of Abraham. In John 8:39, when confronting His critics, Jesus explicitly states that if they were Abraham’s children, they would do the works of Abraham, directly linking true covenant relationship with Abraham to recognizing His own divine authority. He drives this point home later in the same chapter in John 8:54-55, stating that the one His critics claim as their God is the exact same Father who honors Him, explicitly declaring that His detractors do not truly know their own God, whereas He knows Him perfectly.
