Are trades the biggest psyop in america
Yes (I have no idea)
>some faggot says something Very cool
>>545992682They have to recruit young guys who are dumb enough to get into hard work. Then all their skills are only related to one field and they get stuck in it. The problem is they're only looking for people who have experience already and that makes a limited pool to choose from. They have to utilize apprenticeship programs. I would've been happy to take any job when I was young. Now I ain't picking your fruits or being on my knees doing labor, go fuck yourself.
>>545992682i enjoy my job>no hr dept>100% white crew>work in nice neighborhoods million dollar homes>seldom have to interact with customer>show up, work, go home, no other responsibility >work outside >work out for free>listen to music all day >curse and drop redpills to my boss all daynot bad really
>>545994410Just cut my grass, wagie. I don't care about you.
>>545992682Trades are a fucking scam. My parents were replacing some light fixtures in their house and an electrician was going to charge them $150 each. I came over and replaced them all myself in an afternoon having never replaced a fixture in my life. While I was finishing up the electrician called my dad saying he was on his way over then threw a fit when my dad told him he didn't need to come over because I did it for free.
Trades are cool. But i make the same amount sitting on my ass in my office job. Im unsupervised so i just browse shit on my phone most of the day.
>>545994543> ScamOkay. Go change light fixtures for a living then, and only charge $20\h. Let's see how long you have a roof over your head.
>>545994410Fo real real?Not fo play play?Sign me da fuq up!
I wish I'd have taken a trade when I was younger.>teenage me, hotshit honors programs and track team>9/11 just happened, decide to enlist despite family and friends begging me not to>still young and idealistic enough to be patriotic>Boomer parents are ecstatic to spend my signing bonus and encourage me every step of the way>get shipped out to Iraq>get all fucked up>come home to an unpopular war where every single person reminds me it was a war for oil, there are not WMD production plants, etc>need an income regardless, have shitty boomer parents that would never just let me get on my feet>take construction job, promised valuable experience that could parley into trade work>exhausting days leave no energy left to do anything but just recover when not working>fuck body up worse>take a job at a call center to just not be wrecking my body anymore>pays just enough to trap you there, but not enough to go anywhere in life>mentally more exhausting than military or construction, drained in different worse ways>develop no skills>years go by, realize I'm too old to start a new industry>have wife and kids now depending on this soulsucking work>can only hope that I can guide my kids to better careers than I tookI'll make my son sign up for an apprenticeship the day he finished highschool.
>>545992682No. The psyop has been purely perpetrated by people who lived long enough to do nothing but bitch and moan about their jobs.
>>545992682free market will fix it
>>545994792>I'll make my son sign up for an apprenticeship the day he finished highschool.apprenticeships are the biggest bullshit ever the qualification will not be worth the paper its printed on and your son will answer to mystery meat with a dei degree
>>545994708So you think $150 per fixture is perfectly reasonable?
>>545992682Yeah. Boomgroids don't want to dedicate the time to training people and would prefer to bitch and cry about those damn kids not wanting to work even though they're the ones denying those fucking kids the opportunity in the first place.
>>545994708lmao fuckin idiot
>>545992682Yes and no. The trades are filled with crab in a bucket type people along with some of the best dudes you will ever meet. Young guys will get picked up by users and abusers, made to work shit jobs, shit hours, for shit pay, breaking their body for nothing. However, if you get picked up by a good crew with a good boss, you can make a very satisfying and stable career. If you're smart and hard working, take business classes and strike out on your own or get a managerial role at a larger company Trades aren't a shortcut, you need to work hard, learn every day, and take responsibility. There's VERY good money in specialty work, but it's not easy to get into. Trades filter a lot of people because you can't bullshit your way through for very long before it catches up to you.
>>545992682I love that people are too lazy and stupid to get into my trade. I am already making way way way more than all but the top percent of white collar workers. Cannot wait to make even more.
>>545995050As opposed to?
>>545995296you wanna raise a cog for the machine be my guest but your son will resent you
>>545994410Me too but>sit in truck all day and shitpostAt least I'm getting 47.50/hr and union benefits.
>whites are complaining that they apparently can't get apprentice jobsDire.
>>545992682for every 8 guys who retire from a trade a white boomer imports and hires 16 at half the pay
>>545992825He's right though. All old people care about is holding onto their jobs. I got laid off from a job because my company got bought out and my manager who is fucking 80 was told either he retires and they give him a nice package and keeps 3 of us workers or he lays off two of us and keeps his job and he choose layoffs. This fucker worked from home in a retirement complex in Florida. You don't hate these people enough
>>545992682isnt every job like this?>youre hired welcome to our familyturns into>welcome to hell, faggotand on it goes, this thing of ours. gabagol
>>545994792Why didnt use the gi bill and get a bachelors?
>>545992682Zoom Zooms should never be allowed to work at all.
>>545995698I got a bachelors degree and then white people imported millions of jeets and refuse to hire me I'll get in a shootout with the pigs before I pay my students loans back
>>545995736don't worry they're not going to. they're smarter than you
>>545995655to a point but the severity varies
>>545995113>>545995165In my market $100-150cad per fixture is the going rate for a licenced electrician, but it depends. You think I like it? You don't think I look at some of my subcontractors billing and not get a knot in my stomach? Don't get me wrong, tons of guys will scam old ladies with crazy pricing, but at the same time the floor for pricing has gone up tremendously in the last 8-10 years. I have to bill my own time out for minimum $100/h with a $300minimum charge, and I feel dirty about it, but if I charge less I'm actually going to go bankrupt. Running a legitimate business in construction is fucking expensive. Its not exactly that contractors have gotten together and decided to hose everyone else, there just isn't that many actually competent people doing this anymore. Why would I work at Joe Blow's house for the $40/h he can afford when Chad and Stacy over in the good part of town are willing to pay me $200/h for my services? The fundamental problem though is that most people haven't seen a real increase in wages in a very long time.
>>545995114We cycle through about 8 laborers before we find someone we want to actually teach. They all know how much money they will make if they make it through their apprenticeship. They will make way more than most white collar. Yet they still do not put in any real effort or show any initiative. Most people these days are in fact lazy as shit.
>>545996031>before we find someone we want to actually teach.i bet you have zero teaching qualification and consider it a privilege to have someone listen to your bullshit
>>545994543Of course an electrician is going to charge that much, they're the only trade you actually are forced to "apprenticeship" for. Oh and HVAC technicians. They have a larger overhead because they were the only trade stupid enough to fall for the "journeyman" shit somehow despite the fact that all it requires is connecting labeled shit.>Inb4 some absolute retard "finish carpenter" tries to correct my by providing a long list of zero (0) "colleges/degrees" required and none of them are "GED"I actually had some europoor tell me you need a degree to paint where he lives, I forgot what third world country he said he was from though. >>545995655Yes. You become wise to it and think "I can just open my own business and do it". Then it only gets worse lol (do not try to run a business in a democrat state).>>545995988Running a legitimate business in construction is fucking expensive.Try lying sometime, it works wonders.
>>545992682>wow>i would love to go to work! >especially in construction! is the exact opposite of what every zoomer says.
>>545996096>I actually had some europoor tell me you need a degree to paint where he lives, I forgot what third world country he said he was from though.I met a girl in Croatia that said she had to get a special grocery store degree to work in a grocery store
>>545995014(((free market))) also known as importing millions of jeets
>>545996090I can't speak on his situation but my own observation is that it is incredibly hard to find people who are willing to learn and put in the effort to make something of themselves. It's a joy to teach someone who wants to be taught and works.
>>545996090My teaching qualification is that I am top tier at what I do. Which is more than I can say for most professional teachers.
>>545995224What is your trade? I am welding and as a second year i get 44 leafbucks plus double time :) i want three tickets, once i am done welding i'll go back for another trade
>>545996455>44 leafbucks in weldingi hate living in socialist finland and being poori've been a welder for 17 years and i only make 18€/hour, i can do stick, mig/mag and tig welding
>>545996096No thanks. I worked a long time illegitimately, it sucks. Will I take a small unpermitted cash job for a nice family? Sure. But I don't make a habit of exposing myself to being fucked. Its all great until you get sued or payment withheld. I can't really call the local branch of the Hells Angels anymore to collect money from deadbeats.
>>545992682Just get your CDL bro.
>>545996160>is the exact opposite of what every zoomer says.Literally every single zoomie i've ever met told me they either wanted to be influencers, twitch streamers or straight up on gibs for the least delulu among them.
>>545996455You can make much more than that if you're willing to do fly-ins and other shit like that. If you get really good and get some of the more advanced tickets you can make 200-400,000 a year working 30ish weeks out of the year. Not with a family though.>>545996553You're getting hosed, but most money in welding is in "mission critical" stuff where you need to have real skill and work long hours.
>>545993806This honestly.By the time I was of the age and experience they wanted I knew better than to lock myself into a trade. Especially given my desire to do new things.
>>545992682So you are an elitist democrat? You believe everyone should go to college and nobody should do manual labor? No wonder you guys banned creative.
>>545996553Brother life in your country is better than in NA, trust.
>>545992682It was part of the Jewish scheme to get Whites out of positions of wealth and power and it worked cause Whites are complete retards. Now they’ll be cleaning our toilets and shit.
>>545992682All the easy, well paying trades are gate kept by union boomers. Oh you want to sign on to the pipefitters union? Sure just sign up for the waiting list right here. We just called a guy who signed up in 1983. Of course, if you're related to someone in the union you can get in immediately.
>>545994410>physical labor = working outif that was true then every construction worker would be a bodybuilder but 95% of time they're beer bellied, balding (pre)divorce dads
>>545992682>"I'd love to learn it">"Sure here's how you-">"This is too hard I quit"Fixed that for you OP, zoomers are the worse coworkers to ever be born. I've never worked with anyone who complains more or slacks off.And I have worked (unfortunately) with women.
>>545995454>unionKill yourself parasite
>>545995296Anon go get a cyber security cert and transfer to a helpdesk, then in a year to an IT job, possibly for a school system in your shitty region.The test is basically an IQ test. It's illegal to give IQ tests, so it's dressed up as a skills test and you need to learn the vocabulary and a bunch of facts. >Was where you are>This is how I escaped.
>>545996455I am weld adjacent. SMAW/GTAW/MIG/orbital certs, then specially certs like a nova arc cert, georg fischer cert, ect. The certs just let me do my real trade though, I do not weld as a profession.For a second year that seems acceptable for a welder. Is your journeyman rate around $80?
>>545995988Why are you simultaneously defending higher prices while also pretending you "dont like it"? You berated >>545994543 for calling high prices a scam but then you note, quote:>Don't get me wrong, tons of guys will scam old ladies with crazy pricing, but at the same time the floor for pricing has gone up tremendously in the last 8-10 years.You're just bullshitting around the idea that prices are high because the labor supply to do it is low. Its not that that anon cant go do it for $20 an hour in profit, its that you dont want him or people in general to enter the market doing so. Just be honest about it.
>>545996031I genuinely believe the population at large has some form of physical motion/ mental retardation that makes tradework harder for most people. A wagie/salary schmuck can go the distance milling and walking about talking with people, jotting numbers down, moving boxes less than 50 pound from time to time. In the trades there's always something new, something to demo, brace, you have to actually understand how physical objects are put together and constructed. They get in the mentality that the work the do is the important work, that it's actually "work" in so far as they believe that's all a human is physically meant to do day to day. You may even hear them balk "I'm above trade work, oh it doesn't pay enough, I'm smarter than that". It's a cope, especially with the people who can't even change a lightbulb. They aren't above that. They don't have the tools, they don't even know what the fucking tools are called to get the job done. They can't roof and it isn't just because they have no idea how to haul a pack of shingles up a ladder. "Oh I don't have the experience to mud proper", no you don't have the finesse, fitness or respect for the craft. They say it's easy, want to pay like it's easy, but when they do it they realize how hard it is and I only wish they knew it was because they were stupid and did it wrong and not because it's actually hard.>>545996593I was joking, you gotta charge what you charge and at this point in my life I charge like I don't want the job. They think it's crazy to charge $60/hr as a painter and I feel disrespected by people who whine about the price only to then be baffled when I say that I have to "clean and prep the surface proper", like they wanted my to just paint over their mildew shit hole or some shit lol. Say "no", do me a favor lol. I'd rather charge the same for a house in better condition and whose owners bother maintaining it.
>>545997035>zoomers are the worse coworkers to ever be born. I've never worked with anyone who complains more or slacks off.boomers complain like they're paid for itthem having everything handed to them on silver platter gave them delusions that it's all due to their own doing and own genius when in reality it's incredible luck for them and generational lobbying to pass burdens of todays spending onto younger generationsThey will bitch and moan about you doing something wrong and when you ask them to show how its done, they will come up with bullshit excuse not to or do it in such way you, wont be able to learn anything and that's mostly because they're scared shitless about you being their replacement and so they refuse to teach you.and from my observation they're notoriously slacking but in sneaky way, like constantly spinning some babble with boss instead of working
>>545997507The higher prices are a direct result of artificial inflationary pressures designed to pressure the middle and lower classes. This is what I don't like, but I have to charge what I charge or there simply is no business. Inflation on materials, insurance, gas, vehicles, equipment, etc. I'm not going to charge less to live in a 300sqft apartment living on ramen with the stress and responsibility of multiple employees, projects, and family. I'd make more money working as a McDonalds manager, and have a quarter of the stress and responsibility.
>>545994543You had me until>he threw a fitNo he didn't. He's gonna try to stay in good standing with potential customers and say something along the lines of "no problem, give me a call if something outside of your scope comes up."
The trades are not understaffed, its just a lie to manipulate you. The statistics are publicly available man. They're fine. That is why they will not teach you lmfao, because they know its bullshit. Making you believe they have special skills is part of the grift.
>>545994410>work out for freeYou've never worked out, just stfu
>>545997925You're going to charge as much as you can comfortably get away with. Thats capitalism. Theres no need for excuses or getting mad when someone says they can do the work for cheaper.
>>545997034They would still snap you in half like a fucking twig you are twink pshek boy.
>>545992682Depends what you mean by psyop.t. Tradie
>>545992682most trades don't make the money they say they do unless if you are your own boss if you are willing to do that, go ahead but to frame that as being easy is a lie, and for the amount of effort that goes into doing that you are probably making more money in some middle management office joba career isn't about what you can do, its about what you can tolerate for 30 years
>>545994410>company vehicle I get to take home>company phone>all expenses paid for>work alone 99% of the time>schedule my own work>take breaks whenever I want>dynamic work environment>union>good pay and benefits>commercial hvac techThere's hardly anything to complain about
>>545994410>100% white crewX
>>545997640>I genuinely believe the population at large has some form of physical motion/ mental retardation that makes tradework harder for most peopleIt's not the hard work, it's the responsibility. Case in point, that's why councils and unions never run out of labour to cut grass or hold road signs, it's menial shit that a supervisor tells you what to do. An actual contractor has to get to a job, suss it out, make, adjust, install, all without fucking something up. The decision making involved is just far beyond what most people are capable of. If you fuck up in a white collar job, it's someone else's problem. If you break a countertop or crack a tile, it's your fucking fault and the ramifications are extremely expensive.
>>545994543Did your boomer parents give you the $150?
>>545998272>They would still snap you in half like a fucking twigI'm 90kg 24% bodyfat at 174cmused to work construction myself but moved to metalworking. I'm literally one of those guys you're talking about except I started working out for real.>pshek:)
>>545994792>call centerThose all got shipped to India. You aren't foolong anyone, Dikshit.
>>545995296Become a human swiss army knife, collect skills and certs like pokemon cards. Learn a trade and go to college. Do both.
>>545992682accurate. try getting into an industry that complains they need people, but they're still picky as fuck and reject everyone i would say those things would die off if they don't teach people or raise wages, but government will just give them money and they'll keep doing the same shit.
>>545993806>>545996788>545996788>locked in muh tradebeing jobless or a neet is always an option. you can even become a moneyboy.
>>545997034>but 95% of time they're beer bellied, balding (pre)divorce dadsYou may not like it but that is what peak performance looks like
>>545992682not everything is a fucking psyop, some people actually enjoy trade work and so recommend it to others. you being someone who doesn't like physical labor doesn't make the existance of people who enjoy physical labor a fucking psyop.
>>545992682Trades are fine but you need to have the personality for them. You need to be a more practical person than a theorycel sissy.
>>545995113Yes. Up until a minimum which makes it worth it for me to drive to your shitbox, break-out my tools, ladders, deal with your constant homosexual advances, etc. Insurance isn't cheap. Am I providing materials? Do I have to fix old shitty diy wiring that you fucked up? $150/fixture seems reasonable. Id start cutting breaks after about 10 if things went smoothly. >>545995114>no one shows up at my door offering me money to teach me a skillYou're such a faggot. Lmao. Boomers are like 70 years old. Chances are some 30 something chadlenial would be training you if your gay ass managed to find themselves on a job site.
Labor is the biggest cost in trades, so your boss is on your ass all day.
>>545992682Worked for many crews the "intention" is to gain exp grow higher wages better work etc>real worldYou are kept dumb just so your pay is low nobody wants to really teach anyone too much too fast because WORKERS are needed and once you learn enough why the fuck would you work per hour anymoreTrades is tough unless you get into solid commercial work, residential is dogshit wages slaving away. Hard labour sucks fun when your under 30 tho
>>545992682I made a huge mistake trying to become a mechanic. I'm 6 years in making 26$ an hour and I have never been trained. I havent learned a single thing. The plumbers and electrician apprentices I know took over a year to find a job and theyr'e in the same boat. Nobody is training people.
>>545999384I bet you enjoy plunging toilets becaus ethe smell of shit reminds you your boyfriend's asshole, faggot.
>>545999410TrueMost of the posters here like to talk a lot of shit online but probably couldn't handle the banter on a job site.
>>545999470Material is typically the largest cost in construction unless you're talking about renos then it's probably still material lol.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at tradies. Their lives clearly suck shit and they're forced to put up a tough front to maintain the idea that they enjoy their job, which they might because they're mentally retarded. Maybe they just never got past the "playing with Tonka trucks" stage as a kid.
>>545994708Hahahah
>>545994614Shalom rebbe
>>545999870>handle banterSo retarded. Bro who gives a fuck? You do not produce labor value by “handling banter”. A 20 year old zoomer can do a great fucking job assuming they are trained well. Being able to “handle banter” is not a qualification for a job.This is just retarded shit to justify age discrimination against zoomers
>>545994792Leave your wife and kids, and go to Ukraine.
>>545996890>DEIEven Whites that have degress get too discriminated againstwe will just go to war with the USA, or leave it so you can have this brown shithole for yourself
>Electrician>Work at an Industrial Plant as a technician and troubleshooter>Job is slow because hardly anything breaks so I play games on my laptop most shifts.>TV in the break room has Tubi>Paid 135k a yearI work every other weekend which sucks but fuck it, I was just going to game and watch TV anyways except here I am getting paid.
>>545994524You'll care when a jeet takes his job and leaves you a pile of diarrhea in your garden
>>545997857>they're notoriously slacking but in sneaky way, like constantly spinning some babble with boss instead of workingFucking this. Good part of Gen X too. Generally most Boomers cut corners and now that there's more standards and regulations they fuck off from the actual work. You will never meet a lazier fucker on the site than some 50+ guy. I remember this 1 time a Boomer was complaining about how nobody wants to work. Not 15 minutes latersome guy asks him if he's gonna get a new cert that came out and he went nope!>>545999706You are kept dumb just so your pay is low nobody wants to really teach anyone too much too fast because WORKERS are needed and once you learn enough why the fuck would you work per hour anymorePerfect way of putting it.>>545999870>banterTradies are the most fragile fuckers you will ever meet. The average shitposter here could make a tradie seethe
>>545999470High skilled traddie Muh boss leaves me alone. They can’t do my job. They just deal with the customer. Life is good.
>>546000577"handling banter" is code for handling him talking shit about you in front of everyone because he has to vent as he has emotion regulation of a fucking toddler
>>545995113Honestly? Yeah, that's kind of cheap. Thinking about it, I'd probably charge at least $500/fixture myself.
>>545994410Sounds nice. You make decent pay and /or benefits?
>>545992682enjoy working with absolute retards and low pay to start. unless you plan to go out on your own, there is no reason to want to go into the trades. just hope the entire West collapses soon because this is all fake and fucking gay.
>>545992682Most people have to be laborers, that's just how society is. You can only create so many specialized jobs to widen the career ladder horizontally and only so many people can fill those positions, there have to be people at the bottom holding the ladder so it doesn't fall or society breaks down.
>>546001181And he'll fight you if you call him a dumb retard repeatedly, which he is because he's a tradie.
>>545995423>>545997318>>545999046These guys all work at Mcdonalds offering Shaniqua a refund for forgetting the ketchup and think anyone who enters the trades is a loser out ouf envy.
>>545992682To do trades you have to be 89 IQ faggot that refuses to understand why everybody and their moms are going for office jobs / uni education. See toolmaker job. Seems pretty sweet until you go to the toolshop and see tryout team grinding die manually over their heads and how fine cast iron dust covers them all. And if you are a toolmaker, glasses won't stop chip coming from your eye. When my colleagues were going to hospital, they got only prescribed eye drops. So they stopped going to doctors and started to use strong magnets to get metal chips out of their eyes. Subscribe to me for more exciting tradies adventures.
>>5459926821pbtid
>>546001836Any more stories?
>>546001836>office jobsfirst to be replaced by AIall those people who you still see working them are the last ones and when they retire there wont be a person taking their place
>>546001089Also 1 last thing I need to say:Tradies listen to the niggiest ghetto coon tunes trap rap you will ever hear. The sound of construction equipment isn't as bass as that obnoxious bass being blasted like the CIA is trying to melt your brain. And spics with their spicy polka music.
>>546001836>And if you are a toolmaker, glasses won't stop chip coming from your eye.Why not
>>545994708scammar if there was a handyman on every street corner you'd be out of a job. Your job is subsudized by jewbux pumping slop so people lose their brains and skills and pay convience fees. You're no better than a foid working in an office building full of other foids doing jack and shit.
>>545995655Yes>You're hired, do whatever corporate says or you're fired (any kind of retail at all, they fired experienced workers during covid for not following their new regulations for minimum wage)>You're hired, work a 50 hour workweek or we'll shit-talk you forever, btw you're new so you get all the shit jobs (any trade)>You're hired, but you're new here so we're gonna pay you half as much with no benefits, btw this is a 6 month trial period on a job that took you 9 months to find (white collar)Doorknocking is the only dignified work left now that everything has turned into a scam, and I will literally never ever be a doorknocker.
>>546000353They just like to LARP as a contractor, honestly I'd rather work in a kitchen. The pay's the same now and the skills you learn actually translate to real life, as you will be preparing your own food at some point in your life anyway.
>>545997034Construction workers are usually stronger than bodybuilders. Also they are only ugly because of the gas station diet. If you mealprep you will look just like a gymcel neet even if you only do your job and not go to. gym.
>>546003753You are vastly overestimating your own skills. Is there a dimmer switch on those lights? Need a 3 way? Is it arc-fault? You don't know what you're talking about. Please shut the fuck up.
I watched my step-father die in a hospital from alcoholism. He was broke physically and financially. The government allowed illegals in and they did jobs cheaper than everyone else. It was unfair competition. Their work was good enough through the perspective of the ignorant buyers. Illegals didn't have to worry about licenses and other operating responsibilities. If you go into the trades, understand that some day the political atmosphere may change. If it goes in favor of illegals, you can get seriously screwed. Even with decades of experience. Any idiot with tools can claim to have the skills. Ignorant home owner don't know any better.
>>545994543most shit that tradies charge $50+/hour for can be learned in an afternoon with some youtube videos
