why doesn't communims work?
Because forced altruism is not altruism at all.
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Who cares
>>545999415jewsThe whole thing is just feudalism turned on it's head. Instead of the King being the government and owning everything in the name of the people, it's the jew owning everything and being the government in the name of the people. Same thing, but even under the feudal system the serfs had some rights. Communism? You have no rights.
>>545999415It does work, with the right people.Any system works, with the right people.Good luck getting the right people together and cooperating
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>>545999415>why doesn't communims work?it works in a world where there are no predators. It's like asking why antelopes don't work and lions do. It's not that either of them works or doesn't work, but rather that one is designed to hunt, and the other is designed to be hunted.For as long as even a single country exists that pursues accumulation of capital, all communist states will be the source of free labour and free resources for that capitalist state.
>>545999415Because you don't get your waifu.
>>545999415apprantly some one hacked leaked googles public key
>>545999650this
It DOES work, it has dismantled every country it touched.
>>545999415It's incompatible with human nature, which has elements of greed and envy. At some point, you always end up at a point where something has to be done, and the only way to get someone to do it is to pay them. The question of how much to pay them brings up the question of individual ability and skill, and if those things should be rewarded more. You end up with a class system again. It immediately devolves into state capitalism, omitting the cooperative ownership part and just making the state the sole proprietor of the economy, and when that fails, they reintroduce private ownership, like China. Communism is basically fiction, like tolkiens idealized hobbit society.Sometimes I pretend to be a communist because it's funny to attack democratic socialists from the communist perspective.
>>546002200well some communist could tell you,does the individual with better skills or talent deserve a higher standard of living than his peers? does being born with higher intelligence automatically mean you should be rewarded with others labor (bigger house, etc).Do you deserve more than you could build on your own? (others labor).What if every person is groomed for a job since birth, taking into account their natural abilities.Then if someone is working in rocket technology, and other is digging trenches.Both are equally important jobs.Just happened one is born for math, the other for menial tasks.If people value rocketry higher than ditch digging, does that mean the rocket scientist gets more of others labor in the form of luxury living?Construction workers or electrical technicians are less important then, but their work is at a higher priority scale than the rocket scientist.Why is the rocket scientist entitled to more.If everyone earns same, you say the motivation is gone. But if people are groomed for the job (ie smart kids good at math set on the path to rocketry) , then people just do their job theyre not striving to be better, or compete with others. Then the lowly workers are doing their jobs with comfyness , knowing the pay is as good as it gets. So , the shit gets done. Im not a communist just saying , that you could make it work perhaps, with the right adjustments. A lot of things would need to change socially, like making people actually give a shit about others and not just seek to stand above. This would require a heavy authoritarian state, again ran by people groomed for the job, not power seekers.
>>545999415Because communists don't work
>>545999650And yet miggers still lost lmao
>>546003410I dunno they worked pretty hard in gulags
>>546003332No ones going to put effort in if it goes unrewarded, if you work hard at a difficult job and you get the same benefits as some crackhead violent jobless nigger then why would you put in any effort? Its a system that exists to collapse whatever country adopts it
>>545999415because i dont have demon clussy gf.
>>546003637you say talent just dies, nobody strives to be the best. Only because the pay is equal.But what if recognition was more important than pay. Status and feel of accomplishment and helping your country. While having the same pay.There would be no jobless in the system im describing, let alone people on benefits.With public works, there is always employment.No gibs, equal pay in all jobs
>>546003806Can you cite any communist example of this being the case?
if you do away with "bullshit" jobs, you find every job left is important. So why do some deserve better pay?>its hardernot if the person at task has been literally bred for the job
>>546003891im not a communist im trying to see how communism could actually work, by doing some adjustments on its retarded theory
>>546003806Capitalism offers vastly superior recognition. No one is going to be "recognized" for working hard in a gulag. Someone driving uber jeets can film themselves and earn a million dollar income and worldwide fame.
It assumes people want equality.But since people are greedy and want to outdo others, they will find corrupt ways to get ahead in communism through party connections.Eventually an elite emerges and they live better than the plebs and they look to perpetuate the power of their families.Workers couldn't give a fuck to put in the effort to get a good product because nobody can fire them anyway. They pretend to work, the elites pretend to pay.Basically it's nobody's problem.The system decays.It fails to deliver economically, then the elites panic that the population doesn't support them and goes into turbo-surveillance mode.End game.
>>546003965All systems can work if theres no corruption, but we dont have that so none of them will work very well, communism might be the worst coupled with corruption. Its just pie in the sky moral posturing from communist role players, completely unaware the second their co,munist revolutions take place theyll be the first ones lined against the wall by their jewish compatriots who then go on to rule over everyone els with their communist system killing all who complain while stealing everything leaving crumbs behind for the masses. It could work in a perfect world, but we dont live in one.
>>545999415Even when American art retards stylistically mimic anime they still find a way to rob it of charm
>>545999415nothing jews "create" or develop works
>>545999650Marx was jewish but he openly shat on other jews and their culture. Like Bobby Fischer or Stanley Kubrick.
>>545999415>why doesn't communims work?It does work. At my home, it's pretty much to everyone according to their needs, from everyone according to ability.It works on the scale of "family". Why? Because despite them being knuckleheads, I actually love them. And, because I know them so well, I know my kids won't be fuckups forever... this is just a phase. I can keep an eye on it and make sure they're not manipulating or cheating.But I don't love you. I don't like you. I don't know you, and I don't want to. You will try to cheat. You're lying if you say you won't because you don't love me either. I don't want you to. And so it can't work on the scale of our society, of our country, of our civilization. In fact, I think I hate most of you motherfuckers. My best is being able to go day to day not murdering you... if you could be honest, most of you would admit you've earned that. And if you get any ideas about insisting on communism, I will. That's why communism doesn't work... because I've resolved to murder as many of you as I can if you try it. Fall in an abandoned well and drown, shitgoblin.
>>545999415Because no singular person or organisation can ever have complete understanding of a system as complex and dynamic as a national economy.
the folly of man
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>>546001439>spending tens of thousands on a custom video>AI could have done it for pennies a few years laterkek
>>545999415Because communism has never actually been tried in large scale.People mistake stuff like what they did in soviet union or china with communism, when in reality that's just dictatorial planned economy socialism.Communism means that workers own the means of production. What it means is that if you work in a company, you should get a share of the profits instead of just a wage. And the people working in the company get to decide who can buy a share and start working there, and if people working there think you aren't putting in effort, they can vote to kick you out. And then, the worker owned companies can compete on free market economy with the products and services they produce just like in capitalism. Only the profits go collectively to the workers who own the businesses. And that's the only allowed form of ownership.
>>54600143950,000$ and didn't even fuck, right before AI. Got troons mad.
>>545999415>why doesn't communims workBecause Communism is a Utopian idea where everyone shares and everyone is equal to each other.But because Human beings are Human beings, it never works out, because of corruption of power and shit.It might work with Robots though, assuming that they don't have the same pitfalls as Humanity.
>>546005754>workers own the means of productionSo how does the initial production happen? Who's paying for the infrastructure?
>>546005952People pool up resources to build up a startup and then start recruiting more people when they think that more people working on something will be more profitable than what is divided among them, just like in market economy. They could also for example take state sponsored loans to get things started, etc. How the state is organized has nothing to do with communism itself.
>>546006211Pool what resources? This is communism who has resources that could be used for production? You think the average man has iron or any base material? The average man doesnt have shit in a communist society
>>546006326>>546006211Also everything they produce belongs to everyone, not themselves.
>eugenic communismIt could work if everyone is playing on a more level playing field and the bottom is IQ capped at 100.>dysgenic communismThe bottom out breeds the top and you end up with a load of useless niggers that can't even maintain the infrastructure and then everything turns to shit.
>>546006326What, you think a new state is born as some kind of blank slate where nothing exists and then bunch of nude people are suddenly spawned over there with zero knowledge? Of course there are resources that can be pooled.>>546006362Everyone in the company. Not everyone, period.
>>545999415Because there's no incentive to bust your ass, or be creative, or solve problems when the person who does the bare minimum receives the same benefits as you. There's a fucking reason capitalist societies are responsible for most of the innovation in the 19th and 20th century.
>>546006850What youre describing doesnt sound anything like communism, can you cite some examples of average citizens starting a business where they own anything they produce? Profit doesnt exist in communism, thats anti communism
>>546003806You're replacing pay with social capital in this example. Money could be considered one's access to other people's effort. If you replace this with "recognition and and esteem", you make yourself a slave to the state. This is what communist countries replace general currency with because currency becomes worthless. Dedication to the cause and mob coercion replaces it, so you've solved nothing and introduced forced systems of morality.
>>546007208alright, tell me why a paper pusher in some office should earn more of other people's effort (money) than a construction worker? isnt that what led you to the problem of having to import browns to build your houses?Maybe if you paid the construction workers the same, more whites would be doing these jobs.And perhaps, everyone could afford a home instead of having to get in debt to banks for a million bucks?
>tell me why a paper pusher in some office should earn more of other people's effort (money) than a construction worker?Because someone wants what that paper pusher can provide more than a construction laborer. There are different levels of paper pushing and different needs.>Maybe if you paid the construction workers the same, more whites would be doing these jobs.If you didn't undermine the wages of construction workers with migrant workers, then yes, the construction worker would be paid more.>And perhaps, everyone could afford a home instead of having to get in debt to banks for a million bucks?Yes, if you can pay people to build houses and other people don't have their wages depressed by oversaturation in the workforce, then you could drive the price of housing closer to what people could afford to play.What happens in a "recognition" society is that only the people who are socially or morally aligned with whomever holds the means of inflicting violence, namely the government or state, will get a house. You either toe the line or you don't eat.
>>546007917Your first problem is equating money to effort. Has more to do with people who went to college and got a piece of paper qualifying them for a higher paying job. No one can afford a home because we imported too many people. Youre right though effortless jobs like all those female white collar jobs is paying them ridiculous amounts of money while people doing back breaking hard labor get peanuts, however communism wouldnt fix that, it would just make everyone equally poor except those sitting at the top.
>>546007073It has nothing to do with profits. It has to do with existence of the owning class, "bourgeoisie" who gain profits without working, only because they own the means of production, or more precisely, means to produce profit.In communism the working class owns the means of production and will use their own labor to earn the profits for themselves.Again, there aren't many good modern examples because as I said, actual communism has not been done in large scale anywhere in the world. But think of something like a cooperative, although gone a bit further than that because not all workers in a cooperative own it.
>>545999415because people are retarded
>>546008558>earn profit for themselvesThats anti communist my friend, you think it hasn't been done before because what youre describing isnt communism. Maybe you would like socialism? However that wouldnt work as long as we have endless foriegners coming in to live off of the labor of everyone els
If a worker at an assembly line eventually pay into owning the machinery he uses for his livelihood, I think that would align more with what I think the spirit of "Owning the means of production" would mean. However, all that socialist governments tend to do is swap ownership of the machinery from the factory owner over to "the people" which is just the State.
>>545999415Well first of all it may because your spelling indicates insufficient IQ
>>545999415Communism relies on there being a top level authority which controls the flow and distribution of all wealth in the country. Naturally, power concentrates in this entity because police are loyal to the ones who pay them, soldiers are loyal to the ones who pay them and so on. The monopoly over resources and productivity gives this authority supreme power without accountability and it then uses this power to enrich itself because it has every incentive to do so and no incentive to actually do their job. This is also why you see massive famines follow every communist revolution; they aren't accidental mismanagement of agricultural, they're caused by the Party leveraging its authority in a power struggle with the populace. Once the Party controls the supply of food, it can no longer be opposed internally.Every communist system fails in the exact same way because they just become dictatorships with an ideological smokescreen, and dictatorships inevitably inhibit productivity and free thought in order to maintain control.
>>546008730No, what you're describing is socialism, ask how I know about living in a socialist hell where fruits of my labor are taken and distributed to others.
>>546008463the problem is society sees housing as this massive important thing, what every young couple strives for, while at the same time the consutrction worker required for such houses is spit and shat on, considered the lowest of low.If instead, you elevated these workers. Give them recognition and pay they deserve, suddenly its no longer a 'lowly' job but a vital workforce. Then building houses is no longer a shit job and more people start doing it instead of attempting failling business for example. Of your entire population, of people aged 20-40 you got majority of them doing no manual labor, and attemtping to live off profit from reselling (no value added).If these people were to swallow their pride and grab a shovel, you would have cheaper housing for everyone no question about it.>>546008504i dont equate money with effort, thats what the other anon did. I know money is debt>all those female white collar jobs is paying them ridiculous amounts of money while people doing back breaking hard labor get peanuts,and if you try to use common sense, its a supply and demand thing. Make construction working into a decent field, you will get more supply of workers. Which will build more houses becfause demand for housing is not going down, youre just increasing supply. Therefore price go down>who and how will you pay for thisit literally pays for itself. Initial funding through money printing same as you already do in capitalist systems. Only instead of a banking loaning with interest, you could get interest free loans from governement (new money) , without the usual usury (no profit motive).Money supply expands but so does the amount of goods and services. And you get rid off the usury parasite class.You just gotta make blue collar into an attractive thing
>>545999415it must be implemented by humans
>>546009027Sounds like you want capitalism then, because stealing the fruits of your labor to distribute it to leeches is exactly what communism does>>546009032The usury parasite class (jews) arent going anywhere, in your case theyre starting to move in after burning down some land to make their new jewish paradise. However if all the parasites were removed and there was no corruption it could work, but alas we dont live in such a world. Its all just an unreachable idealology until then
>>546009336In capitalism fruits of my labor is taken by the owning class and then I still pay taxes from the crubms given to me.
>>546009452Safe to say no matter what system exists youll get taken advantage of, which one offers the most freedom and highest quality of life?
>>546008463>Because someone wants what that paper pusher can provide more than a construction laborerIs that so? society can do away with the paper pusher just fine, but the construction worker is essential. Because everyone needs a roof over their heads.So why is the pyramid of priorities seemingly inversed ?
It concentrates government power at the top of a pyramid. Government functions with religious levels of importance. This attracts psychopaths to the top of the pyramid like flies to shit. It also forces the ambitious to pursue politics as it’s the sole monopoly on power.
Communism cant effectively decide what to do with the resources it has available. Its like an impossible juggling game
>>545999415It does work: Every goy gets an equal share of nothing.
>>546009513Illusion of freedom and quality for those who can afford it.
>>546001439I've only seen parodies making fun of this. Bro really saw this and decided to publish it?
>>545999415>boils down everything into a matter of class>framework is farcical and effectively debunked by the existence of the middle class>treats people as if they’re all one massive hivemind removing any and all individuality for the sake of the collective good>said collective good is usually defined by a select few who run everything >only appeals to the worst of humanity or idiots>fails to grasp the most basic tenets of economic theory or how progress is made
>>546002200I wouldn’t call it greed or envy, it definitely is a part of it but I would call it a lack of ambition. It is an ideology which does not allow for the individual to move forward with their own wants because they must always put the collective good ahead of everything else. Progress is either state sponsored or nonexistent. Not to mention it removes the competitive aspect which drives advancement.
>>545999415Becaue people apsire to conflict on ideas that are greater than just economic materialism. Therefore, they will never achieve a stateless society that'll require enforcement and a classeless society that'll be full of hiearchy anyway.The best they can reasonably achieve is socialism, and that's also doomed. Not only will browns ensure it'll always be overburdened, taken from them, and destroyed but they'll find a society subsidized from some struggle will create no strong free-will incentives to work toward the perpetuation of said society. It'll be a temporary subsidized situation until productive society is drained with some generations developing in dependency, something that'll take untouched fresh generations to fix. Thus, the whole thing eventually collapses under its own weight.Monetary/resource incentives are by far the strongest incentives you can subject a people to. It corrects inefficiency through soft pressure and gets the masses who'd rather do nothing meningful do civilizationally sustaining contributions. Like capitalism, socialism is just a tool whose outcome is determined by the quality of the people and leaders running it. Many proponents of socialism would have us believe that the uncivilized brown hordes taking control of the means of production through government management will have the competency to oversee a function outcome. It will not. They will mismanage and pillage it just have we have witnessed in virtually all of their countries. What they mean to do is yet another racial uplifitng experiment hedged on our future and generational inheritance of prosperity hoping it makes them widespread functional predicated on the bottomless pit of material conditions.
>>546011075Only through nationalism can we guide the preference of resources to our more surplus creating members to protect and further them rather than squeezing them until death and apathy. The out-groups can only be helped and developed from a position of strength and safety, away from their ruinous dysfuntions.
not scientific
>>545999415why doesn't capitalism ?
>>546001439>This will never happen to meI'll rope soon
