SHROUD OF TURIN = MOLDY CUMRAG LMAOhttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/11/261108202703.htm
>>546003238Ahmed, did you fuck your goat today?
>>546003238Anyone that believed that was pretty low iq. Even mainline Christianity rejects it as a hoax
>>546003359you know whats for brekky
>>546003461All the christcucks on /pol/ are adamant about it being genuine
>>546003238"The Shroud represents a rich archive of genetic information that has accumulated over centuries of human interaction and environmental exposure. While the DNA evidence cannot answer all the questions about the age or authenticity of the cloth, it provides novel insights into its biological history and demonstrates how advances in forensic science can unlock new information from historical artifacts."Useless article. Old things get trace DNA and no there was no semen found. OP was thinking about Mohammed's asshole after being topped by a group of zutts. Maybe he was thinking about his own asshole after being raped by one of his shit eating jeet uncles. Hard to say.Oh wow there was red coral DNA on it fascinating. Fuck you memeflag OP.
>>546003461Cool. Hey, btw which is worse a faggot muslim or a faggot hindu?
>>546003359>>546003540>>546003750t.
>>546003991Bro wtf
>>546003238Ok mudslime, go to your isis website or pedo forums or whatever else gay ass shit you shitskins do, this is a CHRISTIAN board.
>The ammount of assmad abrahamites here.
brown people did not invent the internet or computers or photography or genetics research science or DNA tests.
ATHEISTS: SHROUD IS FAKENORMAL PERSON: HOW WAS IT MADE?ATHEISTS: REEEEEEEEE
>>546003461>Anyone that believed that was pretty low iq.How was it made?>Even mainline Christianity rejects it as a hoaxNo they don't.
>>546003238>>546003723>>546003991>>546004585You are the cancer of /pol/. I rebuke you.
>>546003238Reminder that they never actual tested the fabric with Jesus's imprint. They only ever tested a small piece from the outer edge of the cloth
>>546005310This guy thinks Iron Age Jewish capeshit is real.
>>546005462>Aitheists are the worstSAD
>>546003461Its dating that puts it as 12th century in origin affirms what people who aren't retards and read historical sources firsthand have insisted forever, that Jesus's life was just lifted from that of Andronicus Komnenos and all of the Catholic/Cathar schisms and papal state formations are basically the result of salty Venetians who saw the people embrace a king who cast out the merchants and priest grifters.But then again the people who cling to Anakin and Malfoid need their baby fairy tales so...
>>546003238What debate? Real scientists know it's a forgery and the christcucks just go nuh uh muh faith
>>546005623>Real scientists know it's a forgeryThen how was it made? Why can't it be duplicated today?
>>546003238face does not look correct at allelongated skullplenty of proof jesus was born via caesarian
>>546005738Theres been plenty but christcucks can't accept any truth because muh faith. It's like some retard from Tennessee wandering around Israel and he finds some salt and goes ITS SODOM AND GOMORAH
>>546005763
>>546005738It's less that it's a forgery and something that is a good thousand years away from the alleged life of Jesus. It's more likely a shroud used for a Byzantine/"east" Roman king.
>>546005738It can though. shadowshroud.comAs a Christian, my faith does not rely on a fucking carnival sideshow.
>>546005820>Theres been plenty but christcucks can't accept any truth because muh faith.How was it made? Why can't we duplicate it today?
>>546005893>It's more likely a shroud used for a Byzantine/"east" Roman king.Sure thing>looks like Jesus>had accurate ROMAN whip wounds all over the body>had Crown of Thorn wounds on the head
>>546005901>shadowshroud.comBe specific. Every duplication of the Shroud has been vastly inferior
>>546005973>Be specificThey can't be.They can fake a single aspect at a time, which to their smooth brains equals being able to recreate the entire thing.
>>546005941>Doesn't know historyIt's okay, they snipped and calcified your glands to just wait for the Ken Burns documentary. Ah hell that's too much work for you, whatever cross wearing broccoli head is in your algorithm feeding you malfoid and anakin memes. You get your goy version of history the way North Korea thinks the Kims are the avatars of heaven.
>>546005873
>>546005973Gallery: https://shadowshroud.com/images.htm
>>546003461>>546005600It was in a fire in the 1300's and the corner they tested was from the repair. Non destructive testing was done on the center of the shroud and it dates to between 0 and 50 AD. It also has dirt and limestone chips from Jerusalem and pollen from plants the grow in that area during the springtime. The wounds are anatomically correct wrt Roman practices which were lost by the time it was supposedly forged, only being found again recently. And that leaves out the question of HOW IT WAS MADE.So what medieval forger went so far out of their way to defeat modern forensics?Sorry, Eliezer and Schlomo, but Jesus Christ is the son of God. He came to live with us and bring us the final atonement for our own sins, dying on the cross for our sins and rising from the dead three days later, in a glorified body, and continued preaching and saving people for a further 40 days before ascending into Heaven to sit at the right hand of God the Father until the day of judgement.People won't be tortured to death for a lie, but everyone who witnessed his miracles and was saved faced that exact end. And to this day the children of Satan stomp their hats every time they hear his Holy Name.
>>546006175One on the left looks very inaccurate and bad. Try harder.
>>546006121
>>546006095>>Doesn't know historyThen tell me. Be specific.
>>546005901Nice schitzo website. Explain the rest of the evidence. The blood that lacks DNA is quite interesting. You think you can make some of that with glass and a shadow?
>>546006212In what way is the Turin Shroud better than their party trick?
>>546005873>>546006121>>546006225disagree
>>546003750Why does Jesus have a tiny head and a long fap arm?
SaAR I AM SHROUD
>>546006184You are one of those 'the Arc was real and there were dinosaurs on it' people right?
>>546006367read>>546006184
>>546006407This answer your question, kike?
>>546003991Jesus got ZUTTED
>>546006380>SCIENCE!!!!
>>546006348>Does the blood lack DNA? That's a much stronger claim. DNA testing has been attempted, but the results have not established that the stains are DNA-free.>Interestingly, a 2026 study actually sequenced DNA recovered from the Shroud. It found DNA from multiple people, including evidence of substantial modern contamination. Researchers could not reliably isolate the DNA of the individual originally associated with the cloth.
>>546006462Like clockwork.
>>546006238Andronicus Komnenos, Byzantine king who died in the mid 1200s which is roughly when the shroud is dated in its earliest point of possible origin, whose life and death are marked by celestial events that are impossible to have occured elsewhere in history save for the Bible, assuming the story of Christ wasn't 1200 years off the mark and in a region that would have been able to see these cosmic events.>>546006184These are elements that could have been added at any point between the fabrication of the cloth and the myraid of handlers who maintain their claim that it's an essential sacred object. The fact that they failed to produce anything plausibly from 1-100AD should be proof enough the shroud isn't something that would have been on Jesus. You can argue a grace period of a few years but a thousand? Alright I guess
>>5460032381 Peter 2:24 – “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.”
>>546006511Sure, but you ARE jewish, because you ignore the argument and bring up unrelated shit to try to discredit everybody you don't like. Classic JEW argumentation strategies that will fetch you a summary execution during the revolution.So keep it up.
>>546006575>Andronicus Komnenos,Fringe pseudohistory bullshit. I thought you were serious?
>>546006511You dumbass...>>546005462You beat him by 22 minutes.
>>546006416>The 1988 radiocarbon dating concluded that the linen originated between 1260 and 1390 AD, meaning the Middle Ages.Anyway this is getting boring, I'm out.
>>546006462No not at all
>>546006598The group of wealthy merchants in robes all agreed on a story, yes. That doesn't make it true. Quoting fiction doesn't then make it reality.
>>546006620You're the one who worships the God of Israel. That make you the Jew, not me.
>>546006598The book says it so it must be true
>>546005873>>546006473>73OH WELL, youve convinced mekekekekekekekek
>>546006628What's your refute? Magic powers and resurrection? Alright, because that's not pseudohistory, lol.
>>546006462>we have fossils because of the flood
>>546006686Sorry, forgot who I was talking to.
>>546006632Are you retarded? I wasn't responding to an argument and I didn't call him Jewish. Learn how to read, Miguel.
>>546006367>In what way is the Turin Shroud better than their party trick?It looks more accurate to the face (and this "artist" didn't even do the entire body, wound and all).
>>546006675post foreskin or gtfo
>>546003238It's time, Christians
>>546003238>attacks Christianity>sets memeflag to islamWatcha doin rabbi?
>>546006634>Anyway this is getting boring, I'm out.There was a fire where the Shroud was kept. Smoke causes carbon dating to thrown off. There were also repairs done to the Shroud over the years so newer piece might have been used.
>>546006717>pseudohistoryNice pseudologic.JUDEO IS ANTICHRIST:>[1 John 2:18] Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that ANTICHRIST shall come, even now are there many ANTICHRISTS; whereby we know that it is the last time. >[1 John 2:22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is ANTICHRIST, that denieth the Father and the Son.>[1 John 4:3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now aleady is it in the world.>[2 John 1:7] For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an ANTICHRIST.Those who claim to be jews haven't been for a very long time.>[Rev 2:9 KJV] 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.>[Rev 3:9 KJV] 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
>>546006801>YOU MUST BE 18 TO POST HERE
>>546003461>(you) stupid dumb faggotwe did see you use your expertise ON dick sucking perspective and ego to make your FAGGOT opinion
>>546006717>What's your refute? Magic powers and resurrection? Alright, because that's not pseudohistory, lol.Mine is leap of faith. If you have a scientific explanation as to how the Shroud was made and why we can't duplicate today, proceed.
>islam is about allah and how he fulfills hebrew scripture>christianity is about god and how jesus fulfills hebrew scripture>now theyre all just being fags and throwing faggy insults that mean fuck all to each other all day until the end of timeholy fuck i wish rome never instated this shit religion, fuck
>>546003238Said the jew
>>546006575>I'll just ignore literally all of the evidence>And evidence not in my favor is fraud
>>546003461At this point I defend Christianity because it makes faggots like you shit and piss yourself uncontrollably
>>546006838>is given sources when asked>then doubles down on fairy tale quotes as if it's a substantial ownAlso I'm not reading that shit, you just go ahead and say that to yourself as you hug your Anakin and Malfoid dollies.
>>546006634>>546006836It's not the smoke, but the repair in the corner that caused the mistake. But those who don't want to believe won't believe. A real scientist sees something his theory can't explain, the changes his mind. These jews can't do that, as Uncle Adolf explained in his magnum opus.
>>546006918Cool how did the ideology of spite fare in the midterms, Israel-worshipper?
>>546003540
>>546006991>It's not the smokeIt's a possibility.
>>546003238Kill yourself, kike filth.
>>546003723/pol/ christcucks are fakers who don't actually believe in that Jesus crap, they just pretend to do it to "own da libs".
>>546006993Very good, actually. We destroyed the kike sucking Republican Party, and the Democrats are next.
>>546005511> if you dont follow my jew god youre athiestkek i believe in god just not the jewish man in cloud one like some faggot
>>546006757
>>546006883>you can't age a piece of stained linen several hundred years while replicating unknown storage conditions? I guess you lose, atheist.
>>546003238If you ever believed the Shroud of Turin was real you're genuinely an idiot.>BUT YOU'RE JUST A KIKE MUSLIM No you fucking idiot, it is literally impossible for someone's face to be imprinted like that on cloth. You can test it yourself. Put some food coloring on your face and drop a cloth on it. You'll very quickly see that the image is super wide and distorted because the cloth wraps around your face. This was clearly stained on there by someone, not a result of natural draping of someone's face.I denounce the Talmud and the Quran. It is just a basic understanding of, I dunno, reality?
If you ever feel the need to discuss theology with a Christian, be reminded that this is who you're likely talking to.
>>546006883But you're arguing your faith with insistince and certainty and it only ever seems to rally retards to vote for Israel so we're a little tired of it.
>>546007283>But you're arguing your faith with insistince and certainty and it only ever seems to rally retards to vote for Israel so we're a little tired of it.Shut down my faith instantly by proving how it was made in the 13th century. Heck, even make it TODAY. Both can't be done.
why does this get resposted incessantly ? even if it's a fake relic, it wouldn't change anything about christianitymaybe it has to do with the same reason (fake) relics exist to begin with, because it's a profitable business
>>546007195>>you can't age a piece of stained linen several hundred years while replicating unknown storage conditions? I guess you lose, atheist.We can't even duplicate the entire image on the cloth in the same way RIGHT NOW you fucking retard.
>>546003238Hasn't it been believed to be a forgery for almost its entire existence anyway?
>>546003461>mainlineThat's picrel, for the unaware of what "mainline" means.
>>546007481>Hasn't it been believed to be a forgery for almost its entire existence anyway?No.And if that's the case, duplicate it today.
this thread has too many replies already here's another one
>>546007375Yeah, it was a unique art project and all the materials have degraded. There were like a dozen fake shrouds created around that time and the church immediately called it out as a forgery. It doesn't take a genius to look at it and understand that wrapping a bloody human in a cloth wouldn't look like a 2d painting. It doesn't even match the Biblical description of Jesus' burial cloth nor any of the historical descriptions. They didn't use a single giant piece. The medieval French guy who made it didn't have access to Wikipedia.
The shroud is real. There is NO process that can replicate it. You can't produce that much light without a corresponding amount of heat, it's physically impossible. The image was produced by PURE BANDED LIGHT. Miracle proven by physics!
>>546007184
>>546007754>I read this in a post from a Christian apologetics blog from 2004, so I know it's true.
>>546007637I don't know how it was made, but it was independently tested 3 different times, and all tests point to the cloth being from the 12th or 13th century, a pretty long while after Jesus died.
>>546007247That's because it's not imprinted on the cloth by being draped over the body and imprinting by touching the surface of the body but it was scorched into it upwards. What made the imprint was an extremely powerful kind of light being emitted by the body that was wrapped in the shroud. Which would have happened at the exact moment Jesus came back from death. The same mechanism as the zinc spark flash that occurs when the egg and sperm fuse to create life and it lights up the exact moment new life begins but infinitely more powerful.https://youtu.be/b9tmOyrIlYM
>>546007734>Yeah, it was a unique art project and all the materials have degraded.Still doesn't explain how accurate the image was on the cloth. We can't explain how it got on there and we can't duplicate it.>There were like a dozen fake shrouds created around that timeWhere are they now so we can compare them to the Shroud of Turin? Are they as medically accurate as the Turin one?>and the church immediately called it out as a forgery.Church said epilepsy was demonic possession 100 years ago. Is that accurate too?>It doesn't take a genius to look at it and understand that wrapping a bloody human in a cloth wouldn't look like a 2d painting.It looks like how a body looks when wrapped in cloth and put in an MRI machine.>It doesn't even match the Biblical description of Jesus' burial cloth nor any of the historical descriptions.Bible isn't a history book.>. The medieval French guy who made it didn't have access to Wikipedia.But he had access to:>expert knowledge of human anatomy>expert knowledge of Roman razor whips and how they wound the human body>expert knowledge of how to get entire body/face accurately onto a piece of cloth without paint.We can't duplicate it today.
>>546003461Why lie? It's accepted as historical evidence of Christ's factual ascent. But you're j*wish and worship satan so expecting anything other than disingenuous from you is silly.
>>546007904Yeah, but what about the experimental X-ray test they just did? Sure, it gave a 20,000-year age range, but if you adjust some random variables, you can get any age you want, which means it could be 2,000-years-old
>>546005462The bible is historical fact, you haven't learned this yet? lol, lmao even
>>546003238This is a Dalit post
>>546007904>I don't know how it was made, but it was independently tested 3 different times, and all tests point to the cloth being from the 12th or 13th century, a pretty long while after Jesus died.Here are the facts:>Shroud was confirmed to have been in a fire. >smoke damage throws off carbon dating>Shroud rips were restitched with newer cloth, that could have been used in the carbon datingKnow how many items/works of art we can't recreate from the 13th century? ONE. The Shroud.
>>546003238Christians should realize that if God really wanted to leave undeniable evidence, he would have. He wouldn't have relegated it to a nebulous piece of cloth for scientists to jerk off over and religious people biting their nails about it for decades.
>>546003238You pray to a black stone in a black cube retarded paki
>>546008083Indeed.
>>546007339The drive to deboonk relics was imported into Europe by iconoclastic Muslims, who influenced the Byzantines during their heretical iconoclastic periods. They believed Muslims were having military victories in the Islamic conquest due to their iconoclasm. Then judaizing Protestants inherited the same Muslim-origin arguments. Iconoclasm is brown-coded.
>>546003238>mainline Christianity
>>546008153God either doesn't exist or he doesn't care. There's no meaningful difference between these two options, so it doesn't matter.
>>546003238Rabbi doesn't think so anon.
Just when I think people might actually be getting smarter and maybe things will get better someone reminds me that a lot of people believe the Shroud of Turin was really this character called "Jesus'" blanket or something and I am forced the face the fact that there are a lot of really gullible retards out there.
>>546008404Don't worry it's basically only schizo level maga cultists left who cling to fairy tales like regressive children, or just outright shills that need a base of tradcon tards to buy whatever merch/sub to whatever patreon
>>546008404You'd think "Christians" on /pol/ would scoff at the idea of the Shroud being real when the #1 Shroud shill was a Jewish guy. He spent decades trying to convince people the shroud was real. Then again, Christians still don't realize Jews have been using them centuries.
>>546008404>that a lot of people believe the Shroud of Turin was really this character called "Jesus'" blanket or something and I am forced the face the fact that there are a lot of really gullible retards out there.Explain how it was made in the the 13th century.Explain why it can't be duplicated today.
>>546008656Why didn't you respond to this: >>546007996
>>546003991>God spelled backswords is D-O-G https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF9Olu3w2EI
>>546008686Because you're a retarded wetback and I can't convince you, so I won't bother trying. Your belief in the Shroud is the same as your belief in God. It relies entirely on gaps in your knowledge, so you'll actively avoid trying to fill them. You want to believe, so you'll do anything to maintain your belief. Whatever.
>>546003238Dated to the 14th century
>>546008885>Because you're a retarded wetback and I can't convince you,????>you made fair points>I gave counterpoints>YOU: YOU RETARDED WETBACKYou lost.How as the Shroud made in the 13th century? Why can't it be duplicated today?
>>546003723relics were always fake and gay.
>>546008959I already explained, Sanchez. It's hundreds of years old and was created in secret and stored in unknown conditions for centuries and exposed to oxygen and UV and a million other things. Making a 1:1 copy is basically impossible. It's not like an oil painting where you can just replicate the brush strokes. Get it?
>>546003723>All the christcucks on /pol/ are adamant about it being genuineNope. We are just asking:How was it made?Why can't it be duplicated today?
>>546003238Still doesn't explain the precise imagery as other corpse rags all ended as bloody or moldy messes with irregular imagery where this shroud is perfect.
>>546003238>University of LancashireDiscarded
>>546009105Anon never asked to replicate the exact shroud with it's wear and tear and accumulated dirt from hundreds of years but to replicate the way the image was scorched into the fabric to get the same result. Don't be so disingenuous.
>>546009266Some Italian guy painted on some linen and threw it in a oven and got like 90% of the way there without even trying very hard.
>>546009105>I already explainedAnd I gave counterpoints.>It's hundreds of years old Then how did the image get on the cloth? How was it so medically accurate?> created in secret Why in secret? And by who? And where are the other Shrouds you mentioned?>unknown conditions for centuries and exposed to oxygen and UVStill doesn't explain how the image got on the cloth or how medically accurate the wounds are.> Making a 1:1 copy is basically impossible. It's not like an oil painting where you can just replicate the brush strokes. You're retarded. If you gave an expert painter the task of duplicating the Mona Lisa he could do it to the point that it would fool any non art expert.He would use>the same brushes as DaVinci>the same canvas>the same paint>the same colors>and yes he would try his best to duplicate the appearance of the brush strokes, but of course that would never be 1:1 accurate, but it doesn't have to be. Now apply that to the SHROUD:>uh, we don't know how the image got on there>uh and we can't do to it todayGET IT?
>>546009352>Some Italian guy painted on some linen and threw it in a oven and got like 90% of the way there without even trying very hard.NOPE. No paint for the body OR brush strokes.THIS IS YOUR FUCKING ARGUMENT?SAD
>>546009352It's 2026. We should be able to replicate the effect 100% if they were able to create it in the 13. century. Don't you find it at least slightly curious how a forgerer could have predicted things like how we could tell what emotional state a human being was in based on the composition of the blood left behind and thus had to make sure whoever's blood he used to create this forged piece of art had to come from a severely traumatized individual? How could someone 800 years ago have known that and not just slit his own hand to get the blood needed to create the visual effect? How come there's no brush strokes visible at all if it was created? The only way this could have been forged would have been if they actually took some poor guy, beaten him with roman whips, pushed a crown of thorns into his skull bones and then crucified him before wrapping him into the shroud. Which isn't impossible, I don't doubt forgerers at that time would have been willing to do that to someone just to get a well forged artifact to profit off. The issue with this is that it does not in any way explain the scroched in image. It might explain the blood and wound fluid and the placement of the blood and other fluids that match up the wounds Jesus would have had. But that wouldn't even create half of the shroud.
>>546009653Shroud deniers (aka atheists mostly) love science until they have to deny it.
>>546009358>Then how did the image get on the cloth?Again, no one knows because the French guy who made it didn't tell anyone.>How was it so medically accurate?What does that even mean, retard? It's an art project. You can make it look like anything you want. >Why in secret?Why do you think, retard? If you're making a fake relic, obviously you want people to think it's real. >Still doesn't explain how the image There are like half a dozen plausible theories. There painting it one. Carving a relief. Projecting an image by using glass. All have been done, it's just not possible to simulate hundreds of years or rotting and wear to see which is closest. >blah blah blahYou keep ignoring the part where no one knows how it was made and how it was stored. Again, you want to believe it's real, so you're willing to throw logic out the window in order to keep believing. Talking to Christian is like talking to a wall.
>>546007948Absolute schitzobabble from a christcuck retard, this is why I still come here
>>546005132>HOW WAS IT MADE?same way all the fake ones were made
>>546009718It's also pretty silly how they claim the "proportions are all off - the arms are way too long". My guy, they are the arms of a body that was crucified, where your whole weight hangs from your arms until you die. Oh well, those that have eyes to see. It's not like it makes a huge difference wether the shroud is real or not to the faith but it's still fascinating how it's so insanely accurate and impossible to recreate. I plan to go see it with my own eyes in 2033 when they take it out of the vault for the 2000 year anniversary of the crucfixation. Pretty cool that that happens in my lifetime.
>>546003238I didn't shower for over 2 months and jerked off multiple times a day using just my undies as a rag.. when I finally took a shower my undies were turning orange. It was pretty neat
>>546009799Very convincing arguments, thanks anon.
>>546009653>We should be able to replicate the effect 100%That's not how it works. You can't simulate unknown methods and unknown conditions and pull the right answer out of your ass. You would probably need to do hundreds of experiments to see what works, and, frankly, it's a waste of time and money. Even if it was proven real, that still wouldn't prove Jesus was a magic rabbi.
>>546009769>Again, no one knows because the French guy who made it didn't tell anyone.What French guy? What's his name? And back then there was a master/apprentice relationship to a lot of crafts. Who taught him? How did this guy have a secret to putting a cloth on an image that NOBODY else in HISTORY knows about?>What does that even mean, retard? It's an art project. You can make it look like anything you want. This is what it means: The wounds on the heard are accurate to a thorn of crowns. The wounds on his body are accurate to Roman razor whip wounds. MODERN analysis confirms this. How did this French guy create ACCURATE wounds on the image?>Why do you think, retard? If you're making a fake relic, obviously you want people to think it's real. But you said there were dozens of them? Were they made in secret too?>There are like half a dozen plausible theories. There painting it one. Carving a relief. Projecting an image by using glass. ALL DEBUNKED.>All have been done, it's just not possible to simulate hundreds of years or rotting and wear to see which is closest. I don't care about this. All I care about is how the image got on the cloth. We don't know how and we can't duplicate it.>You keep ignoring the part where no one knows how it was made That's the question I've been asking RETARD>nd how it was stored.Irrelevant to how the image got on the cloth.>Again, you want to believe it's real,No I don't, I want you to prove it fake and all you got was.. A GUY PAINTED A CLOTH AND THREW IT IN AN OVENYOU LOST
>>546009881>same way all the fake ones were madeHOW?
>>546006389Arms were stretched out from hanging on a cross.the head looks small because the shroud was wrapped around the body causing a perspective issue.
>>546009997They've wasted more money and tried more methods for less impactful things. The fact they don't even really try to replicate it for real sure is interesting. >magic I mean, the strength of light that would have been needed to create that effect is so insanely high that it would at least border on magic to create that without supernatural forces. Especially in the 13. century.
>>546010009Your ignorance of the various reproductions tells me all I need to know. You haven't done any real research. You just watch some YouTube videos made by Christians.
>>546003750That left out how recent studies shown there was a sudden powerful burst of light that hit the interior of the shroud.
>>546008657No, I don't think I will. I don't care that it hasn't been recreated to your satisfaction. It's obvious that you're an unsuccessful, delusional midwit screaming into the void of a dying imageboard and wasting energy on an "artifact" that the rest of humanity moved on from and considered a settled issue 30+ years ago, so your opinions and thoughts about the topic can be dismissed outright without any further consideration of the replication question.
>>546009997Throughout all of human history I would say billions of ITEMS have been CREATED by human. Cloths, ax, weapons, shoes, ipads, art, etc, etc, etc.Out of all those items, we can duplicated EVERY ONE OF THEM right now and tell you how they made it back when it was made....except ONE TIME: The Shroud of Turin,.
>>546010130>less impactful thingsIt doesn't get less impactful than a "relic" the church doesn't even think is real. The only reason it's still around is so they can keep milking dumb tourists.
>>546010218If you say so.
>>546010209>No, I don't think I will.See>>546010211
>>546010209>considered a settled issue 30+ years agoOPs image is dated from a few days ago. If it's "settle" (which it isn't) then why the continued research?
>>546003238>Classic Muslim projection seeing worship as ejaculationThanks for telling on yourself again, Mohammad
>>546010211>Throughout all of human history I would say billions of ITEMS have been CREATED by human. Cloths, ax, weapons, shoes, ipads, art, etc, etc, etc.>Out of all those items, we can duplicated EVERY ONE OF THEM right now and tell you how they made it back when it was made....except ONE TIME: The Shroud of Turin,.we can't even recreate the rockets to go back to the moon, where did you get this from
>>546010211>EVERY ONE OF THEMNo, retard. We can't even make Greek fire. The formula was kept secret, so no one really knows how to make it. That was off the top of my head, but there are likely thousands of things like that.
>>546010156>Your ignorance of the various reproductions tells me all I need to know. You haven't done any real research. You just watch some YouTube videos made by Christians.So you can't debunk anything AGAIN? SAD You lost.
>>546010437>We can't even make Greek fire.We don't even know if that's REAL retard. And if we had a jug of it , yes they can put it under a microscope and find out what it is and DUPLICATE it.> but there are likely thousands of things like that.Name a few then if there are so many. Your first example failed horribly.
>>546009972I don't need to make an argument to rebut an obviously ridiculous one
>>546010276Don't care, doesn't matter, seethe about it
>>546010478Debunk what? All you have is incredulity. "Uh, the wounds on the Shroud are in accordance with readily available information. How is that possible?"
>>546010591>Don't care, doesn't matter, seethe about itI won.
>>546010532How's the zinc spark that occurs at the exact moment life is created ridiculous?
>>546010621>"Uh, the wounds on the Shroud are in accordance with readily available information.???????You're saying ROMAN WHIP WOUNDS were from info that was READILY AVAILABLE in the 13th century? And even if it was, getting it onto the cloth in a medically accurate way is unbelievable.
>>546009952>I plan to go see it with my own eyes in 2033 when they take it out of the vault for the 2000 year anniversary of the crucfixation. Pretty cool that that happens in my lifetime.Lmfao death to all boomerkike magical-relic believers holy shit
>>546010713>Lmfao death to all boomerkike magical-relic believers holy shitHow was is made?Why can't we make it today?
>>546010298The issue of its authenticity IS settled. (that's how you use that word, plural). OPs article is about the additional information they're looking to glean from it by doing other tests. The goal of the research is not to prove that it's jesus or use what they learn from additional testing to make that argument. Maybe you should have read the article.
>>546010630>>Pretending not to understand the ridiculous partNot taking that bait faggot
>>546010797>The issue of its authenticity IS settled. (It isn't because they don't know how the image got on, nor can we duplicate it today.>OPs article is about the additional information they're looking to glean from it by doing other tests. If it's a debunked cloth, why bother with all this additional research?ANSWER:Because it's authenticity isn't SETTLED and they want to find as much info about it as they can to hopefully SETTLE it's authenticity.
>>546003238>mortuary shrouds are supposed to tightly wrap a body>the whole face shoul have been stamped with both sides besides the front>the stam should be some sort of extended image>it showed up at a time and place infamous for falcifying relics
>>546010849How's it ridiculous to make the connection between the established fact that there's a visible and measurable light spark when life comes into being to the fact that the imprint on the shroud would have to originate from an extremely intense light hitting the fabric from inside the dead body and that according to scripture life coming back into the body of Jesus whilst being wrapped in cloth was exactly what happened during the resurrection and since he's God, the arrival of his presence would obviously be accompanied by a much more powerful spark of light than your average in vitro fertilization embryo?
>>546010625What's one more delusion to a christcuck schizo anyway
>>546009106>How was it made?It's a painting. The church tracked down the guy who made back when it was first "found" and he admitted to making it.>Why can't it be duplicated today?I could be, it just that nobody cares enough to do so.
>>546011048>What's one more delusion to a christcuck schizo anywayHow was it made?Why can't we duplicate it today?These aren't delusional questions.
>>546011041>>tries to prove schizobabble point, tells on himself instead with more schizobabbleThanks for making the argument for me, shit is too easy.
>>546011156>It's a painting.NOPE. MOdern science shows no paint or brushstrokes.>The church tracked down the guy who made back when it was first "found" and he admitted to making it.Who was this guy? What was his name? How did he make it?>I could be, it just that nobody cares enough to do so.Uh huh, so why did they try many times in the 20th and 21st century and FAIL?
>>546006891The worst part is, Muslims who understand their own faith would, at most, just have animosity towards those who believe Christ the son of God, but not towards Christ nor Mary, since Christ is still one of the great prophets, and both he and Mary are still holy. The ones going out of their way to desecrate anything related to Christ, acting like a bunch of jews, are just flat out Evangelical-tier retards or kikes.
>>546011163They are and the fact that you haven't figured it out yet is only demonstrating your delusion
catholics are idol worshippers
>>546011041it's not a light spark anon, it's a zinc spark. a release of zinc ions that produce no light. The light phenomenon you are referring to is because, in laboratories, the zinc is bound to fluorescent dies to make the release of zinc ions measurableI don't think resurrection causes the release of zinc ions and fluorescent dyes either
>>546011235So answer me thenHow was it made?Where are these duplicates?And why are you ignoring THIS: >>546010880
>>546003238>Christians desperately trying to fabricate inaccurate relics because they can't/don't/won't read their own garbage because they know it's garbage
The shroud proves Gnostics right; that after resurrection Jesus was pure light/holy energy and not a literal flesh and blood corpse. Only a flash of radiative energy could have left the imprint on the shroud. During crucifixion and his death, Jesus experienced true Apotheosis, becoming a being of pure Pleromic energy, then ascending to the Monad (Aka the true God the Father, not the demiurge of the old testament) after
>>546011315>>Christians desperately trying to fabricate inaccurate relicsHow was it made?Why can't it be duplicated today?
>>546011205>still not a single counter argument, just ad hominemI accept your concession.
>>546003238LMAO some fat pig ugly bishop of the past cranked his hawg over the shroud?
>>546005873>Jesus was american indianThis changes everything!
>>546011300Maybe it does. Have they tried to recreate the zinc spark and apply it to cloth?
>>546011314No. I don't need to. I already explained why your questions and thoughts can be dismissed outright. I'm also ignoring that other post because what you said isn't factually true and you're too retarded to follow a logical argument or have a conversation with. You've been btfod multiple times itt and I think we've all grown tired of your act.
The Israelites are white BTW.10 northern tribes genetically separated from Benjamin-Judah for ~800 years after being dispersed into Ionia by Assyria.Phillip II of Macedonia gained popularity by promising to retake Ionia from the Persians. Book of Maccabees recounts a letter to Sparta from Jerusalem, calling for aid from their cousins as also being "sons of Abraham".Why is there so much invested in hiding this truth from whites? Lmao...
>>546011406As noted, one more delusion for the collection - I'm sure you've won lots of arguments in the legend of your own mind.
>>546011467>No. I don't need to.SAD>HERR DERR IT'S FAKE EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS MADE AND WE CAN'T DUPLICATE ITIf I said "The Mona Lisa was made by God and can't be duplicated" you would laugh your ass off and easily prove me wrong.But for the Shroud:>YOU: No. I don't need to.YOU LOST
>>546011609Cute that you feel that way, doesn't change the fact that you're a raging christcuck who is going to die disappointed. You've wasted so much time on something of so little consequence, what a shame.
>>546011754Shroud is in the "unknown" category until proven otherwise. Let me know when you figure it out, Atheists in this thread are all IT WAS PAINTED ON. Which is false.SADYOU lost.
I DEFEATED every atheist in this thread.CHRIST IS KING
Personally I can’t wait for the day Christian males have had enough and start rounding up these disrespectful communist fucks and start smashing their heads in the town square.
>>546003238You fucking semites are all the same.
>>546008657>Explain how it was made in the the 13th century.Explain how it appeared out of no where in the 13th century and here was never any mention of its existence in any historical record.
>>546006407Go fuck your own face
>>546012002You are fighting a battle in your own head, enjoy the invisible trophy you absloute faggot
>>546012112>Explain how it appeared out of no where in the 13th century and here was never any mention of its existence in any historical record.A history mystery. But if I had to guess?>it moved around religiously rich and important families for a while>was later stuck in a box>box was found and opened centuries later>out comes the ShroudThey have found ancient shit in pots in caves and other underground areas. It happens.
>>546008010The catholic church says it's a scam lol
>>546012178>You are fighting a battle in your own head,So you aren't real? As were the other anons? Go through all my posts. I took everyone on an won. This is my favorite victory today: >>546010675Bro just stopped replying.
>>546003723You’re genuinely retarded if you think Christians believe in Catholic hoaxes.
>>546012149You sound mad, you've been to the arc in Kentucky haven't you?
>>546005600Where does Apollonius of Tyana fit into your theory?
>>546005904Who cares how it was made? If it's anything other than a bloody rag laid on THE Jesus Christ then it doesn't matter, no?
>>546012203>The catholic church says it's a scam lolNo it doesn't.
>>546003238DNA breaks down in like 48 hours. Stop with this click bait BS. This retard probably thinks the pyramids were built by aliens.
>>546012303>Who cares how it was made?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.See >>546010211
>>546010326>we can't even recreate the rockets to go back to the moon, where did you get this fromOf course we can, retard. But we went there and did that so it's no economic reason to do so.
>>546007334What do you think it is? It's just a bloody rag, isn't it?
>>546012202Or maybe some random church in France wanted to increase the amount of tourist money they got so they had this thing cooked up threw it on the wall and told everyone it was Jesus' robe. Imagine saying you have something from 1,300 years ago and people believing you.
>>546012386there are a lot of people who will disagree with you, and on the other hand the vast majority of people already thinks the shroud of turin is a fake relic that not even the church tries to sell as an authentic piece, so why bother ?anyway, every flat earthist thinks they're unbeatable in an argument which is why they're still flat earthists, that is not a testimony to their intelligence
>>546008306What's wrong with her does she have to go pee pee?
>>546012344It's just a bloody rag bro. What's so ducking special about it?
>>546012318They officially declared it as an icon. It's an art piece to them.
>>546012520>there are a lot of people who will disagree with you,WHAT? We still have the schematics. A lot of the old rockets and landers etc are in museums. There is no doubt they can rebuild the 1960s space program. But WHY when you have better stuff and you aren't going to the moon again?> and on the other hand the vast majority of people already thinks the shroud of turin is a fake relic that not even the church tries to sell as an authentic piece, so why bother ?Science can't answer how it was made and they can't duplicate it today (and yes many attempts have been made in the 20th and 21st centuries) and they failed.>anyway, every flat earthist thinks they're unbeatable in an argument which is why they're still flat earthists, that is not a testimony to their intelligenceFlat earth can be easily proven false. Shroud can't be duplicated.
The shroud was used by jesus after circumcising his goyim using his teeth and also as a cum rag
>>546012630>It's just a bloody rag bro. What's so ducking special about it?Modern science can't explain how it was made and can't duplicate it.
>>546012843>They officially declared it as an icon.Post this.
Jesus is despised by Jews commies trannies atheists Muslims and hindoos. Must be doing something right
>>546012910Cool. How do you think it was made? Because it's just a bloody rag. Removing the subject of the alleged image what's miraculous about it?
>>546013012>How do you think it was made?Jesus ascended to Heaven and it fell to the ground. But if you can prove otherwise I would love it hear it.>Because it's just a bloody rag. Removing the subject of the alleged image what's miraculous about it?Nobody knows how such an accurate body image got on the cloth. Not paint, no brushes, not ash, not coal. Nobody knows. It's one of the greatest mystery items of all time.
>>546012484>Or maybe some random church in France wanted to increase the amount of tourist money they got so they had this thing cooked up threw it on the wall and told everyone it was Jesus' robe. Imagine saying you have something from 1,300 years ago and people believing you.Fair enough, but how did it get made?
>>546012882can the great pyramids of Giza be duplicated ?
>>546013132>Jesus ascended to Heaven and it fell to the ground. But if you can prove otherwise I would love it hear it.But it's his burial cloth? Didn't he ditch it when he resurrected? And why does the Bible say he had two clothes?>>>546013012>Nobody knows how such an accurate body image got on the cloth. Not paint, no brushes, not ash, not coal. Nobody knows. It's one of the greatest mystery items of all time.Is it not just as simple as laying a rag on a bloody dead guy? Or draping it over a statue/carving covered in blood?
>>546013268>can the great pyramids of Giza be duplicated ?Sure.It would take an insane amount of money, manpower and materials (and time). But it can be done.With the Shroud everyone just scratches their head.
>>546013349>But it's his burial cloth? Didn't he ditch it when he resurrected?Yes.>wrapped in cloth>ascend to Heaven in ball of light>cloth falls to ground>image imprintedThat's my guess.>Bible say he had two clothes?Bible isn't a history book.>Is it not just as simple as laying a rag on a bloody dead guy? Or draping it over a statue/carving covered in blood?AGAIN, NO. The image of Jesus somehow got onto the cloth and NOBODY knows how. Not paint, no brush strokes, not ash, etc.Last you if I have to repeat this again.
>>546013170>Fair enough, but how did it get made?That I don't know.
>>546013453>That I don't know.And that's the answer that plagues the question.
>how madeIt was wrapped on some metal statue, and got struke by lightning>smokeIt burnt a bit because of that>but blood and dnaLater it was used to cover some bodies>how do you knowI was there
>>546013357do you know we can or do you just assume so ? did you research the topic?what about other christian relics, can they be replicated ? what about muslim relics ? can they all be replicated ?can everything in every museum be replicated ? how do we know when we find something that it is the authentic piece and not a fraud ?
>>546013856>do you know we can or do you just assume so ? did you research the topic?It's a bunch of big bricks. We can do it again if we had to.>, can they be replicated ? what about muslim relics ? can they all be replicated ?If they couldn't we would have heard about it. And most relics aren't unique "how did this image get on a cloth" items.>can everything in every museum be replicated ?YES
>>546005600Your post reaks of Reddit university.
>>546003461mainline christianity is a massive heresy.
>>546003238leave it to a muslim to have thoughts about cum being on garments....just like your prophet cum be upon him. also he got zutted and ass rode by jeets
Bloodstain and DNA Forensics>Blood Chemistry. Researchers from the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) and Italian forensic teams identified real type AB human blood containing elevated levels of bilirubin, ferritin, and creatinine—markers consistent with severe physical trauma. Conversely, microscopist Walter McCrone argued the stains were red ochre and vermilion paint pigments in a collagen tempera medium>Sequence of Deposit. Microscopic analysis indicates the bloodstains soaked into the linen fibers before the faint body image formed, as there is no body image present beneath the blood clots.>DNA Sequencing. A genomic study by the University of Lancashire revealed a complex mixture of human, plant, fungal, and animal DNA accumulated over centuries of handling and travel. Because of this heavy environmental contamination, forensic geneticists concluded it is impossible to isolate the original DNA of the person wrapped in the cloth
>>546015017> Italian forensic teams identified real type AB human blood containing elevated levels of bilirubin, ferritin, and creatinine—markers consistent with severe physical trauma.YUP. Thanks for the help MESA. NOT SAD>Conversely, microscopist Walter McCrone argued the stains were red ochre and vermilion paint pigments in a collagen tempera mediumEasily explained. Some retard centuries ago decided to add some red pigment to make the blood POP for some fucking reason.>Microscopic analysis indicates the bloodstains soaked into the linen fibers before the faint body image formedYeah, blood was on the body and thus touched first.>Because of this heavy environmental contamination, forensic geneticists concluded it is impossible to isolate the original DNA of the person wrapped in the clothOk.How was the Shroud made?Why can't we duplicate it today?
>>546015017Image Formation and Pathology>Surface Oxidation. The image of the man is not made of brush strokes or dyes. It consists of a superficial chemical oxidation and dehydration of the outermost cellulose fibers, penetrating only a few micrometers deep.>3D Topographical Data. Unlike standard paintings or photographs, the image brightness encodes precise three-dimensional distance information between the cloth and a human form>Anatomical Trauma. Forensic pathologists note the wounds accurately match Roman crucifixion practices, including scourge marks, puncture wounds around the scalp, and blood flows from the wrists (rather than the palms) and side. However, recent 3D modeling studies have also proposed that a low-relief sculpture could produce similar spatial distortions
>>546003991I don't get it
Radiocarbon Dating (Medieval Origin)>1988 Carbon-14 Testing. Three independent laboratories tested samples of the linen and dated the cloth with 95% confidence to 1260–1390 CE, aligning with its first undisputed historical appearance in France around 1355>Sampling Controversies. Proponents of authenticity argue the 1988 samples were taken from a medieval repair patch or contaminated by fire and smoke. Alternative experimental dating methods, such as Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering (WAXS), have suggested a first-century origin, though critics note these methods are not widely validated for archaeological textiles
>>546015017>>546015329You're just posting more AI with opinions or beliefs of your own.>The image of the man is not made of brush strokes or dyes. It consists of a superficial chemical oxidation and dehydration of the outermost cellulose fibers, penetrating only a few micrometers deep.How did this happen? Why can't we duplicate it today?>Unlike standard paintings or photographs, the image brightness encodes precise three-dimensional distance information between the cloth and a human formGreat. Impressive.>Forensic pathologists note the wounds accurately match Roman crucifixion practices, including scourge marks, puncture wounds around the scalp, and blood flows from the wrists (rather than the palms) and side. However, recent 3D modeling studies have also proposed that a low-relief sculpture could produce similar spatial distortionsNo way they can duplicate the wounds so accurately.Are you trying to debunk the Shroud or are you saying it's REAL?
>>546015443>MORE AII don't know why I bothered inviting you.>Three independent laboratories tested samples of the linen and dated the cloth with 95% confidence to 1260–1390 CE, aligning with its first undisputed historical appearance in France around 1355If it's from 13th century, HOW was it made. But lets look at the facts:>Shroud was in a fire and got smoke damage. Smoke damage has been known to throw off carbon dating tessts>Shroud has been ripped and restitched over the years with newer cloth. These newer pieces could have been used in the carbon dating test.>Alternative experimental dating methods, such as Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering (WAXS), have suggested a first-century origin, though critics note these methods are not widely validated for archaeological textilesThanks for proving the Shroud real, I guess.
>>546015017>>546015329>>546015443Make of that what you will. I'm not convinced it's anything supernatural. And as for how was the shroud made and why can't we duplicate it? I dunno. I'm sure we'll eventually figure it out
