Sunk this day 51 years ago.
>>546007624It may have been the one disaster in history that wasn't caused by jews, but I'll admit I haven't looked into it that deeply
>>546007624It was a time when an American man could take on a dangerous job to support American industry and be paid very well for it. And he went to work every day knowing that it may be his last day at work. It's a far cry from bitching about your bullshit spreadsheet job and how shitty your $40 lunch was on any particular day.
>>546007624>Why do boomers treat this like the Titanic?Gordon Lightfoot made a song about it, that played on the radio for decades.
>>546007624Gordon Lightfoot made a bitchin' song. If you haven't heard it, you don't understand.
>>546007624Looks like it's about snap in half in that photo, add overloading and few waves and it's not a suprise
>>546007624Almost forgot.Headed in to my music studio to play and sing it for them like I do every year at 7:10 pm.>Inb4source
the funniest thing about maritime disasters is that they had to invent the category "peacetime disasters" for the sole reason that they hate the list being topped by a ship full of german refugees at the closing stages of ww2
>>546007624Of there some feat of value ? so no one cares
>>546008474The Edmund was 729 feet long.The depth of the water was 530 feet.They took on to much water and a rogue wave drove them bow first in to the bottom and snapped them in half.
https://youtu.be/FuzTkGyxkYI
>>546008873THE LAKE IT IS SAID NEVER GIVES UP HER DEADWHEN THE SKIES OF NOVEMBER TURN GLOOMY~
>>546008629800 vicious kikes on their way to nakba unarmed Palestinian women and children is no great disaster.
>>546007624goodness gracious imagine what the zoomies will say when they discover Amelia Earhart
Also I read every post ITT to the tune of Edmund Fitzgerald
Gordy's music conserves The Lord God's Law.
>>546007624Because they know that hat you ameritards are just a joke. It's good for a laugh but that's it.
>>546007624As much as you might now want to believe it. People have respect for those who put themselves into harms way so that we can continue to have a modernized economy.
Ringing of the bells at the Mariners' Church in Detroit today.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rupUeA-5kuQ
>>546008474>Looks like it's about snap in half in that photo, add overloading and few waves and it's not a supriseWe don't talk about that. We also don't talk about how the Fitzgeralds sister ship was decommissioned and scrapped a few years later over secret concerns that it may snap in half someday as well. It's all just coincidence.
Radio traffic recordinghttps://youtu.be/oyaEDWf_dG8
>>546008441This. Canadian made a hit song out of it. Plus Lake Superior is the best lake on planet Earth.
>>546009285>(((modernized economy)))
>>546008873He should have done a USS Liberty song.
>>546008441>Gordon Lightfoot made a song about it, that played on the radio for decades.yepthis is the only god damn reasonthe only way to get golem to care about an event is make some media of it
>>546009773It's the best place to preserve dead sailors. >>546009866With who controls the recording industry no way that would ever get out of the studio. Wonder if an AI would make one or refuse "due to antisemitism".
>>546009786We should sink all ships and go back to hunter gatherer yes? This is what people want?
>>546009711Highly recommended link.
>>546010086Take a voyage down the Ganges, sukhdeep.
>>546008363Also when they made real music not subhuman niggers spatting "rymes"
>>546009061Apparently, AC/DC performed on the deck.
>>546009107>Fellas, it's been good to know ya
The ship that last heard from the Fitzgerald continued to give a master salute to it for half a century. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDA8nF02Xy0&t=160
>>546008148Who owned the ship?
Forever young.
>>546008148>wasn't caused by jewsstop being so blue pilled
>>546010086If ships stopped being sold to india would your entire country collapse
>>546010451>In the mid-20th century, Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance Company invested in the iron and minerals industries on a large-scale basis, including the construction of a lake freighter, the first such investment by any American life insurance company. In 1958, the company launched the freighter SS Edmund Fitzgerald, named for longtime executive and newly elected company chairman Edmund Fitzgerald. At 729 feet (222 m) and 13,632 gross tons, the vessel was the largest ship on the Great Lakes for 13 years until 1971.
>>546008793the whole rogue wave theory wasn't proven until recently. people were just like "oh, maybe aliens got em?" But then scientists actually started recording wave heights and found single waves with heights over 90 feethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rogue_waves_incidents
>As a workhorse, she set seasonal haul records six times, often breaking her own record. Captain Peter Pulcer was known for piping music day or night over the ship's intercom while passing through the St. Clair and Detroit rivers (between Lake Huron and Lake Erie), and entertaining spectators at the Soo Locks (between Lakes Superior and Huron) with a running commentary about the ship. Her size, record-breaking performance, and "DJ captain" endeared Edmund Fitzgerald to boat watchers.
>>546010689
Recent research.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjZ7o0G8PJE
>>546010577>David Elliott "Cowboy" Weiss is the most prominently documented Jewish American directly involved with the SS Edmund Fitzgerald, serving as a deck cadet aboard the vessel when it sank on November 10, 1975. Rogue Wave? Or was it a Jewish Saboteur!
>>546010828You can still see Bruce's Mum sitting waiting for him to come back to her on a dark foggy night.
>>546010828Stroking
Women and fags under 50 are excused. Stream up some Gordon Lightfoot.. Gentleman tonight at 7:10 Gitchi Gumee time..we sail.
>>546010087That captain sounded a little uneasy about coming aboot!
>>546010039That’s the reason it got remembered but it was a big story when it happened. Big ass ships don’t sink in fucking lakes very often.
>>546010984Getting comfy in the study.
>>546011062Lake Superior is a beast. It's the most famous example but you can do tour the ship wrecks.
Thread musachttps://youtu.be/1IBdZ645S-o
>>546009711>you realize what the conditions are out there dont 'cha
>>546010904The ship *was* insured but it was never disclosed for how much. Only that the losses from it's sinking were valued at $24 million.
I was ten but remember it like it was yesterday.Fhttps://youtu.be/ultSSgGBkgg
>>546011062They have a shipwreck museum on the lake
>>546007624That thing doesn't look seaworthyI'm not surprised it sank
>>546011479It was owned by an insurance company, making it by definition self insured.
>>546008363Go to bed, gramps
>>546011733That song is his best.A movie queen to play the scene of bringing all the good things out of me~But for now love let's be real~I never thought I could act this way and I've got too say that I just don't get it~I don't know where we went wrong but the feelings gone and I just can't get it back~
>>546008148Implying jews didn't sabotage the port holes.
>>546007624/pol/ is waaay too brown these days to understand
>>546012363It was David Elliott "Cowboy" Weiss! He was the Jew on board!
>>546007624Imagine being one of these dudes. Just for the grave crime of working in the wrong place at the wrong time, you get to die a terrible death in the cold water. You watch your ship cleave in half and know you're a dead man walking. Crazy stuff.
>>546012317I slip away on Carefree Highway on my Harley at least once a year ever since he did on his way to PHX from a gig in FLG."Carefree Highway, let me slip away in you".https://youtu.be/iYuF99VTEdg
>>546007624The (((Management))) was always demanding "one-more-load" despite the weather.https://youtu.be/tdFJiwOhYYM?t=332
Have some respect, I get hating boomers but don't be a contrarian because of it
https://youtu.be/K_yeuO96dAA?is=cXg8QdA54bIrm3Rm classic scene
>>546012363>>546012402Just saying, what are the chances the one jew on the ship would be the only survivor? Also, a jew doing hard labor at a tough job? He was def up to something..
>>546012998He didn't survive. They expected one in the wreckage.
When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'"Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"At 7 PM, a main hatchway caved in, he said"Fellas, it's been good to know ya"
>>546007624It’s more of a millennial Gen Z thing. It was a thing like 10 years ago but I guess it’s coming back.
>>546007624Listen to the song and read the story. It's pretty depressing
I dove the wreck before doing so was banned. Even then, the bodies were pretty well preserved, though the one I saw outside was pretty silt covered. The ones in the bridge were waterlogged, obviously, but not yet soapified like old whitey on the Kamloops. We didn't take cameras or anything like that, it wasn't a tourist dive. We beat the subs down but didn't gloat about it and I wasn't really using the Internet at the time. There are some old timer Michigan divers that still know we beat the subs and the Floridian/Russian down to her. I'd just done my last season on a lake freighter before changing careers, and we wanted the guys on the Fitz to see people again in which we figured would be the last time before looters ravaged her. Most wrecks in the great lakes were terribly plundered and the deep water ones were no different once guys figured out diving with mixes. I was acquaintances with two crew of the Fitz and I'm glad the Internet is so taken by her. There never was and probably never will be a ship like her on the lake again.
it was the titanic for them
>>546008363>complain about bullshit when boomers are the ones that caused the bullshit
>>546013601based unc
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>>546008474>>546009676This is what a world of low EROEI will look like. Iron smelting is not exactly a high profit business, so all the components to making it function are operating on razor thing margins. They figured because they were on a lake they could cheap out all over the place.>no watertight bulkheads>welds instead of rivet construction>having the deck barely 11 feet above the waterline (when laden)>not enough emergency gear for the crew>eternally tight deadlines and sailing in inclement weather>lengthening the ship without structurally reinforcing it>>546009866>>546010044I really liked that AI song about niggers (or was it joggers?). It was very catchy and nearly 100% accurate. I wonder if they memory holed it and deleted it yet (especially from JewTube).>>546010321This one looks a little too "long and skinny" also.
>>546010039>is make some media of itHuman's connection to oral tradition goes back probably to before we were even modern humans. Lightfoot making a chart topping tribute to a tragedy is just the 20th century equivalent to ancient poems and epics about natural disasters or catastrophic wars.
>>546012998No one survived. No bodies ever washed up. Superior never gives up its dead. Dives down to the ship found the bodies still in the ship, near perfectly preserved.
>>546013979Not much you can really do about a rogue wave of vast size. I have seen waves closing in on 30' but I believe the one believed to have swamped the Fitz was over 35' and potentially hit her aft or side on, which no boat fares well during.Lake freighters need to be skinny or they don't fit through the locks. So you need to make them long to have any capacity, since they also need to not have too much draft to be compatible with our ports, the locks, and the Detroit river. The Fitz mostly got unlucky, but for the times she wasn't lacking on what we had for safety measures.
>>546014277They aren't "near perfectly" preserved. You can tell they're bodies, depending on the age. Once they spend too much time in those frigid depths they become white and "soapified" and the average person wouldn't pick them out as a corpse. They still had clothing on when I went down, and the one outside the wreck a life preserver, but you wouldn't be able to match a picture to a face or clothing to a photo.
>>546014285seen any strange lights over the lakes, oldtimer?
>>546013990My only very mild complaint about the song is that Gordo says it was headed for Cleveland when it really was headed to Zug Island in Detroit. I have to agree that it sounds better with Cleveland in the song and it's a minor point but still, something he knew was wrong.
>>546014421Any idea why the one outside the wreck didn't float with the life preserver on? Too much churn at the time of the wreck or something like that?
>>546014756To much churn plus fresh water.
>>546013601Sick post. I bet an unpilfered wreck is an incredibly cool dive, especially something like the Fitz.
>>546013601How long did it take you to surface?
>>546014756My understanding is that it was hit so hard, and gulped water so fast, that they didn't have time to go overboard. Just sucked down with the hull. I'm by no means a mariner though.
>>546014889There is something just so utterly depressing about the fact that all those graveyards are just pilfered and looted. Humans really are niggers.
>>546011062>Big ass ships don’t sink in fucking lakes very often.In the great lakes it happened all the time up until that point.There's a ton of deep water wrecks in the great lakes to dive.
>>546014441Lights aren't infrequent enough to ever be strange. At least back then. But I saw a white lake sturgeon at least 15 feet long measured against our hull hatches. It surfaced for a minute beside us while we were laid up momentarily with engine troubles. I've caught hammerhead of that size in Florida so I know what fish of that size look like. It had to be ancient, alive during the age of sail. How strange we must have appeared to it.>>546014756Pulled down by the suction of the Fitz herself, most likely.
>>546013601How did it feel to venture into a grave like that? Spooky? Or ike paying your respects to the dead?
>>546013990this shit is more like 9/11 remembrance garbage>freedum ain't free>life is so ruff for we amerimutts>time to look at da charts and cry about americana one more time(until next year)
>>546015309Around the Great Lakes it's more like.>Don't take them for granted 1 wave will fucking kill you.We don't tell tourist that so the sacrifices to the Lakes can be met.
>>546015034We spent fifteen minutes on the bottom on trimix. It was over four hours of decomp stops to ascend. We'd followed a line down we'd dropped with a big cast lead cannonball the day before. We'd gotten the coordinates and knew a coastie who told us the orientation and figured out our best drop to the bridge. We weren't far off and I know the later sub crew saw our ball but kept quiet about it.>>546015123The shallower wrecks are all looted clean. Especially if they're wood hulled. I know a few wrecks that still aren't known to the public because if I gave up the coordinates, people would scrape them clean down to the deck. I've seen it happen.
>>546015254Like I said, I knew some of the crew. A few others knew them better than I had. It was our form of memorial, to let them know they weren't forgotten. We didn't take cameras, we didn't leave anything except the ball we dropped for the guide line.
>>546007624Boomers don't give a shit about that boat. Where do you get these goofball ideas? The average boomer hasn't thought about the song in 20 years.
>>546013979>This one looks a little too "long and skinny" alsoShips on the Great Lakes have changed over the centuries, but for sailing the Great Lakes conditions, that ship is peak performance.Drachinifel (or whatever his name is, super huge youtube ships guy) goes into it in one of his videos, in addition to the information available online.
>>546015656Anyone who worked the lakes remembers the Fitz. Especially those of us that saw her steaming across on her runs. She was well known way before she wrecked.
>>546015242>Lights aren't infrequent enough to ever be strange. At least back then. But I saw a white lake sturgeon at least 15 feet long measured against our hull hatches. It surfaced for a minute beside us while we were laid up momentarily with engine troubles. I've caught hammerhead of that size in Florida so I know what fish of that size look like. It had to be ancient, alive during the age of sail. How strange we must have appeared to it.So fucking based. Have you heard about the ancient ruins in the lake? Like an American Stonehenge
>>546014889The Fitz wasn't a dive we did because it was cool. For that, I would dive one of the untouched schooners I know of. There's one in Huron with rigging lines still intact in 250 feet of water. I used to be with a group that would privately find and dive them. The few times we handed over locations to the Coast guard, etc, they would quickly be looted out. We stopped sharing information after.
>>546015763>Anyone who worked the lakes remembers the FitzOf fucking course they do. And it's a fine song. But OP said "Boomers," and I guarantee you millions heard the song many times and never really registered the lyrics and boomers west of the Mississippi don't know shit about Lake Superior.
>>546015763So what is it about big Fitz that made her so enduring? Even the few thousand footers they can stuff in the locks now don't have buzz about them.
>>546015853They aren't ruins. Not really. Pens for chasing caribou herds into and penning them in after. Just stacked, unworked stone. UofM found one, I know of a few others they don't know of. They're not particularly deep, but they're obviously quite old. We found points inside of one. Ancient man wasn't stupid and if you could fool a dozen caribou in, you were well fed for a while. Not a particularly smart animal, I have hunted them before in Canada. Dumber than a whitetail by a great margin, which is astounding because whitetail aren't exactly Einstein.
>>546015494Please die with those coords. I've heard the "wreck societies" are just organized, well funded looters. I couldn't imagine doing a 4hr decomp. Most I've ever done was a few minutes. I've never been deeper than 70 though.
>>546016087I think it's because Caribou don't have to live as paranoid lives as whitetails do
>>546016087Oh damn. You’re saying the history jewtoobers exaggerated for clicks. Say it ain’t so! lol. Still really cool though, anon. Thanks for sharing o/
>>546015656>brown coded id
>>546016005Go to a dive bar frequented by mariners in any northern port and talk like that and you'll get glassed by a seventy year old and the local cops will toss you in the clink for being a jackass.>>546016078She was fast and had good lines. And obviously a fun captain and good spirited crew. I was on several different ships in bad conditions, none as large as the Fitz, and there was always a sense of security if she was nearby. Pulcer was the sort of personality that rubbed off. If he was calm over the horn, you felt like you ought to be. She was a behemoth on the lakes, so as long as she was nearby, you felt like things would be alright. Hence why her sinking came as such a shock. I didn't know McSorely's voice as well, he didn't chatter as much over the radio. But I have never met anyone who spoke poorly of his seamanship.
>>546016087>>546016222I honestly didn't know about these. That's cool as hell. I actually lived on the coast of Lake Michigan for a few years. The lake always gave me the creeps. Standing on the shore during winter was surreal. Just a wall of ice, 6ft tall, with waves smashing against the other side. I was never dumb enough to climb up.
>>546015464>dat dere lake right dere will sweep u under and leave u dry, like ur ex-wife, i tell u wut (sips a cold brewski)
>>546015494Ever tried locating the Inkerman and Cerisoles or know of people that've tried? I've always found their story fascinating and unfortunate.
>>546016111I have given them to a few younger men with similar mindsets to mine. With the express knowledge that they'll catch buckshot if I go for a dive and find one missing the damn wheel. But they're not those sorts of men. And yes, the "societies" are pirates in dry suits. Go dive the Florida keys. You can see amazing things without going past 50'.>>546016206I think that and as a true herd animal they just don't need to be individually smart or paranoid.>>546016222I don't watch that sort of thing. What do they say? That they're carved up stones with roofs or something? I can tell you, they're not overly impressive in person. Very interesting, but hardly at all advanced construction. A few young men could easily make one in an afternoon.
>>546008629Explainenschlagen
>>546016470>ya no fer sher dem fudgies be frizen like dat ya eh
>>546015242>I saw a white lake sturgeon at least 15 feet long measured against our hull hatches. It surfaced for a minute beside us while we were laid up momentarily with engine troubles. I've caught hammerhead of that size in Florida so I know what fish of that size look like. It had to be ancient, alive during the age of sail. That would be something to see
>>546008363>to support American industryface the wall
>>546016470It's no joke. That lake will straight up kill you. The problem is that the surface, and a few dozen feet out, get nice and swimmable during the summer but the water very, very quickly goes from "It's a bit chilly but this is fun" to "All my muscles are shaking and I can't catch my breath". I once decided to swim around this giant steel sand breaks that we had on the lake. It went out about 12ft into the water I'd guess. It was summer and the water was cool but swimmable. When I got just around the tip of the sand break the temp dropped drastically. It was instant too. All my muscles slammed tight and I had that involuntary gasp thing. I was lucky I was a strong swimmer. There's a reason the lakes don't give up their dead. The waters too cold.
>>546016406Thanks anon, great posts ITT
>>546016609> I don't watch that sort of thing. What do they say?Ancient unknown civilizations thousands of years older than previously thought. Sounds really fun and exciting, but caribou traps/ pens sounds pretty cool too. There’s a big group that believes that Europeans settled America first by traveling along the ice sheet hunting seals called the Solutrean hypothesis during the last ice age that may or may not be related to the ancient ruins.
>>546016574I know men who have looked. But never found anything. I'm more into age of sail than steam. Superior is a difficult bitch and has so many unmarked wrecks of similar make that without a dive, it would be hard to distinguish one from the next at those depths. That said, the modern side scan is amazing. It wouldn't shock me if someone was already secretly diving them and just keeping quiet.
>>546016609So you are stating that these what others have called Stonehenge of a lake or what not are actually from when the lake was lower and they were probably on the shoreline they were just pens for ancient men to corral animals into? We can sit here and listen all day to you talk about this stuff it's great. I'm from Michigan so stuff kind of always intrigued me.
>>546016840We did have a civilization. Old copper culture. They mined Isle Royale pretty hard. If you metal detect on or near it, with some patience and on land already not picked over, you'll find copper points and blades. They left some rock art as well, I believe. It doesn't resemble later pictogram stuff I've seen here. Look up the "Michigan spider man" and it's closer to that sort. Obviously I can't attribute it to that culture, but they've been nearby to places I know guys who have found points. I make it up to the kee a few times a year and bomb around the yoop with some locals. I've seen things not on any map, same way I keep my schooners quiet.
>>546016609>Go dive the Florida keysI've lived here for decades and always tell myself I'll make my way down there. I used to dive in the gulf a lot. Coolest thing I dove was this giant crane that had fallen of a ship during a storm. There's something awe inspiring about massive man made objects underwater. Never a shipwreck though. I need to get back into diving. I wish there were more people like you in this world. I watch this guy who finds and explores old indigenous sites in the deserts of the midwest and every single time he finds one it's been looted and half destroyed. So much history has been lost because context has been destroyed.
>>546016900Yes. They're not particularly impressive. Some boys back then stacked some rocks and chased some animals into them because it's easier than needing to hunt every day. They're not particularly large pens and they don't have sarcen stones like a henge. Natives in North Canada still use the same method to feed themselves. Or did at least when I was younger.
>>546011733czech't
>>546017146Go dive Coffins Patch off of Marathon. Shallow, maybe 30'. I snorkel it mostly. Lots of fish, and the ballast stones of a wrecked Spanish galleon. In the 70's and 80's guys were still pulling up silver coins.
>>546007624Its a Michigan UP lore thing. Nobody gives that many shits about it.
>>546017121>Michigan spider man"I'm guessing you're talking about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_Cave#/media/File:Spiderman_Spider_Cave.jpg
>>546017344achievable natty?
>>546017344Yes. I've seen paintings similar to it in style. Obviously not the same depiction, but similar stuff. Some near L'anse, even, which is crazy because of how touristy it is now.
>>546010620They were proven in 1995. 31 years ago isn’t “recently”
>>546017605> 31 years ago isn’t “recently”Compared to rumors that have existed for hundreds, if not thousands, of years, it absolutely is. Problem was everybody who experienced a rogue wave in the past didn’t live to tell the tale
>>546016793Isn't it known for violent choppy waves too? I remember that family that died when they were fucking around in a kayak with their young kids, only the mother survived
>>546012998>what are the chances the one jew on the ship would be the only survivor? Also, a jew doing hard labor at a tough job? He was def up to something..>>546013127>He didn't survive. They expected one in the wreckage.
>>546009773That lake should get over itself
>>546017804The lakes don't roll like the ocean does. The waves are more frequent and thus less predictable. Storms come across faster and there isn't as much water to act as a buffer. Even Saginaw Bay can go from serene to white knuckle in the span of an hour.Anyways this old timer is up well past my bed time. Pour one out and drink another for the boys down there. They were good men and didn't deserve that fate.
>>546017961Good stuff man, thanks for the posts
>>546017961Godspeed, anon. Thanks for sharing. You’re a breath of fresh air in this gay and brown shithole callled nu/pol/
>>546017961sleep tight grampanon
>>546017307>Coffins Patch off of Marathon.I'll definetely look into it. I've been meaning to ride down to The Keys for a while now. It's a long as hell ride, which I don't mind, but that also means hotels. The further south I go the more expensive they are. I thought about camping but from where I live I'd either have to intentionally stop short for the first day or choose to stay in Miami. Miami is a shit hole.>>546017804I remember the first time seeing the lake I was suprised by just how big the waves were. I just never thought a lake could look like the ocean. On calm days it was fine but a bit of weather can make some massive waves. I remember these ice walls that were over my head on the shore line, so about 6ft. On a stormy day the waves would easily clear them and splash onto the shore. People mistakenly hear lake and think it's like a normal lake. The Great Lakes are, for all intents and purposes, an ocean.
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>>546017961Thanks for your stories. I'm glad I stuck around.
>>546018283> Miami is a shit hole.Key Biscayne is nice
>>546017961Cheers and will do!
>>546016793>swimmable during the summer but the water very, very quickly goes from "It's a bit chilly but this is fun" to "All my muscles are shaking and I can't catch my breath".knew a dude that died this way just this summer in a kayak, flipped and gone from hypothermia saw the rescue heli heading for him but dude was a goner
>>546015652>>546015494>>546013601Posts like this make coming back here still worth it sometimes. thanks for sharing man, I love hearing about stuff like this.
>>546009461>Ringing of the bells at the Mariners' Church in Detroit today.29 times for each man on Edmond Fitzgerald?
>>546007624All I know is that I can't stand that fucking song. It gives me the creeps and somehow makes me want to neck myself every time I hear it.
>>546016793yeah... i should have been dead long agoi just get a chuckle out of americans crying over things like we're special/different, when shit like this and worse happens all the time self-absorbed crap>>546018632finally someone of interest... his life was pretty crazy
>>546009866Someone please make this.>>546016609> What do they say? That they're carved up stones with roofs or something?They also like to go on about a pyramid at the bottom of Lake Winnebago. It's just a stone burial mound not bigger than a ranch house.>>546017961>Anyways this old timer is up well past my bed time. Good night Saltyanon. We greatly appreciate your tales.
