Actual theft requires the violation of the NAP. When a landlord puts his property up for rent, he doesn't force people to rent it, people voluntarily rent his property, and renters wouldn't do such a thing if they didn't think the utility they would get from renting the property would be higher than the utility they would get from the money they gave up. Since the transaction happens voluntarily on both sides without any violence or threat of violence, we can safely say that rent isn't theft. it's a consensual thing that mutually benefits both side
>>546024161UBC, basic healthcare, and a roof over one's head are universal human rights in the world we live in.When home loans become interest free, a housing stops being a commodity, then we can talk about how rent isn't theft.
>>546024161I almost agreed, but then I saw the Bongladesh flag.
>>546024161owning more than you need to the point it causes significant strife in society violates the NAP.
>>546024618Owning how much causes significant strife in society?
taxes are theft/thread
>>546024161But we need to live within commutable distance to work. Our workplaces won't supply us with living accommodation. And police won't let us sleep in our own cars. The only cheap option is to live under a bridge. That isn't realistic for parents who have children. They have to pay the exorbitant rent somehow.
>>546024685If you build a house with your bare hands in the middle of the Saharan desert that means you took someone's house
>>546024713>/thread/fuck off, /faggot
A land tax is actually a pigouvian environmental tax because it could otherwise be used to grow trees and nature that would've benefited the environment and people
>>546024161You cant steal money at all because it has no value.Chackmate.
>>546024535me having access to your holes to fuck is a human right. Stop oppressing me by playing hard to get.
>>546024161I would happily sleep in my car or at serially on public camping grounds serially but the lawmakers, rentier class, and law enforcers conspired to craft an enclosure of laws that forces myself and my generational cohort to fork over a majority of my earnings into substandard lodging at ridiculous prices or they’ll throw me in jail (read: nigger rape dungeon). It’s not voluntary.
>>546024812Yes, with reciprocity. Lube is entirely optional is accessor's choice, not accessee's.
>>546024768You need a higher paying job to live in saturated urban areas so you can afford a smaller apartment that costs a fortune.
>>546024161Based and truthpilled
>>546024799This
>>546024618No, it doesn't violate the non-aggression principle, and there is no way of determining the amount that will cause significant strife in society. It's a vague line that anyone can interpret however they want in order to tyrannize people.
>>546024535>universal human rightsYeah, your parents. Otherwise the world has always been a matter of struggle and you get exactly what you deserve.
>>546024894Exactly. My monthly pay is $2,300 and rent is $1,100. I live in bumfuck nowhere. It's a trashy nigger town.
>>546024161Rent is not charged based on the value of the property for those using it, but based on what renters are able to pay.That is in a grand schema little different from theft. Especially when people need to rent (doesn't matter that they don't have to rent from you).
>>546024834So you're saying that because other people are violating the NAP, the transaction you are forced into because of those violations is also a violation of the NAP? Because to me it seems like the problem is the government, not the landlords. The landlords might benefit from an unfair situation, but that doesn't make rent unethical, it's all the other crimes being committed that are bad. If rent wasn't an option those things would still be evil after all, and if those things weren't done then rent would still be ethical.>>546024799Theft is is a non-consensual transfer of title to some piece of property. You aren't entitled to the value of your property, you're entitled to the property itself. Value is subjective after all. So the value or lack thereof of the stolen item has no bearing on the question of whether it's theft.>>546025154>it's theft for people to provide things at prices people are willing to payyou have a pretty fucked up definition of theft anon.
>>546025212The dynamic is skewed when what you're selling is a necessity anon.
>>546025212"Willing" being a very loaded and incorrect descriptor too.
>>546025230So you're saying that if you need something people can't sell it for more than what it costs to produce? Anything that is necessary for life must be provided as an act of charity instead of for profit? Does this apply to luxury apartments and homes, or just to basic ones? If there aren't enough houses can you enslave someone to build one for you?>>546025250>"Willing" being a very loaded and incorrect descriptor too.No, you could hypothetically go out and homestead some unowned land, and if you are being prevented from doing so by the state that's a separate act of aggression and has no bearing on the morality of renting. If in some hypothetical future no unowned land exists, then we might need to enter into a more complicated argument, but at present most of the land in the US is unowned and unoccupied. Thus nobody is being forced to rent or be denied any place to stay.
>>546025378I'm not saying that at all. But I'll also say that people aren't spending nearly half their take home money on food and water. The dynamic itself is so badly shifted that landlording has become a means of sustaining oneself. THAT is the underlying problem. It should have never been a damn career path. And housing should have obviously never been an investment scheme.>Hypathetically go out and homestead>Unowned landDoesn't exist. It's either owned by a person, a company, the government, or protected by some international group. Unless you wish to live in the desert wastes of Bir Tawil then you're shit out of luck. So be realistic anon, and stop arguing from a disengenuous point.
>>546025495>I'm not saying that at all.Then what are you saying? Do you have a clearly defined principle here or does it just "feel wrong"?>But I'll also say that people aren't spending nearly half their take home money on food and water.We live in a world of scarce resources where people must economize where to allocate their scarce means. Prices being higher mean that they command a greater share of resources. So prices being high, even for necessary things, is not bad. It means those things are both scarce and desirable.>The dynamic itself is so badly shifted that landlording has become a means of sustaining oneself. THAT is the underlying problem.No, that isn't the underlying problem. The problem is that the government has limited the production of new houses and artificially inflated the price of existing housing. They create artificial scarcity through things like zoning laws prohibiting residential construction in most places, requiring housing permits, enforcing union monopolies on construction, and a bunch of other means, and they inflate the prices through manipulation of mortgages and home loans. So the price of housing is artificially high because of government interference in the economy.>Doesn't exist. It's either owned by a person, a company, the government, or protected by some international group.An unowned nature given resource becomes owned through an act of homesteading, if it is not homesteaded it is not owned. So called "government owned" land is by and large unowned and merely declared to be owned by the state, which is a criminal gang.
>>546024971>the world has always beenThe world changes. The reason our parents and their parents before them did what they did is so that we have better lives. Dumbfucks like you think the same rules as in the stone age still apply now. Have you not notice the tech advances and labor automation?
>rent apartment>pay rent on time>landlord says 'I'm putting your rent up 50%, cost of living lol'>it's the same apartmentrenting out property isn't evil per se but most landlords are parasitic scum
>>546027045>most *humans* are parasitic scumftfy
>>546024161>people voluntarily rent his propertypeople want to rent XD
>>546024161>he doesn't force people to rent it,So I can just take up residence whenever his property is vacant and he wouldn't force me out or you are lying and force is exactly how he is able to meet his contractual obligations and collect rent?
>>546028089>his propertyDon't be obtuse.
>>546024161You aren’t allowed to simply build a house on unused land. It’s illegal. When someone needed a house, the community would rally around and build one for them so they can start a family ala the Amish. There is no longer any community so kikes are free to leech from anyone too poor to own a home.
>>546024161NAP is bullshit since private property cannot be maintained without aggression. The right of the landlord over the property he owns comes from nothing other than the violence of the state
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>>546025212Libertarianism is fundamentally anti-human. Everyone that rents would rather own a home but kikes have colluded to make housing prices exorbitant and completely unaffordable to the majority of the population. We don’t have a functional government in America, we have a cabal of (((bankers))). If a child was starving on street and you offer him food and shelter in exchange for slavery and he accepts, in your mind that’s completely ok because muh NAP
>>546028385But OP is the one pretending like his ability to rent out to people who can pay isn't enable by the forcible prevention of entry to people who can't afford to pay.
