I don't mean free market but capitalism where some people have a huge capital and can use it to influence society and technological progress. I think it might be a good thing because it prevents a power monopoly of politicians, which are mostly preselected by the collective of the party. Also I think great ideas and vision mostly comes from individuals and not from the collective mind of people, so I don't think a true leadership of the people would lead to a greatness but rather individuals with great power. I am not sure what could be alternatives, maybe monarchy or randomly selecting citizens and giving them a lot power, maybe you have a better idea.
>I don't mean free market but
Capitalism is corruption, no matter how much you try to couch it as "oh, but I don't mean capitalism with unpopular words affixed to it! I mean capitalism with popular rhetoric affixed to it!" End of story. And fascist politics, like those found here on /pol/, exist to protect capitalism by diverting public attention away from meaningful problems, and the perpetrators of those problems, and on to pointless culture wars and ethnic scapegoats (ie, "the jews").
>>546042817There is no such thing as a "free market". Once company x gets big enough to stifle its competitors, by whatever means necessary, it will.
>>546042940I didn't say that it would exclude free market. I just want that people don't argue here primarily about free market.
>>546042978>>546042817>I think it might be a good thing because it prevents a power monopoly of politicians, which are mostly preselected by the collective of the party.Understanding also that this is how you're describing "democracy". Capitalism is the opposite of democracy. You're taking things out of the hands of the people, and putting it into the hands of the wealthy and the powerful. As fascists, you people on this board oppose democracy, and oppose the interests of the masses. Your politics exist to benefit the few, just the wealthy. When people discuss capitalism in positive terms, they're inherently resisting democracy.
Capitalism cause corruption.andd i believe everthing makes ones first statemt dumb
>>546042817should greedy psychopaths run society? how's that working out?
>>546043047"Free market" only means "no price controls". You people on this board always try to pretend words have different, more complicated meanings, in order to confuse the public, and gaslight them. "Free market" only means "no price controls". We have no meaningful price controls in the US, therefore we live in "free market capitalism".
>>546042817Not really. Capital-ISM, the -ism is important, because it means that the acquisition of monetary capital is the most important thing in life. Because of this, it's impossible to restrain capitalism, as vice sells much better than virtue. Vice harms the society and produces great capital for the peddlers of it. So no, capitalism is inappropriate for a healthy, fit society.
>>546042817Capitalism is good globalism is badAll the problems of the last 30 years have been caused by globalization You can't regulate internationalized finance unless you have a global government and no one wants that shit
>>546043072You either go full free market, with no regulations, or full communism. There is no middle ground, any regulation is a slippery slope for more, which eventually lead to communism.If you are not a free market absolutist you're LITERALLY a communist.
>>546042817We don't practice capitalism in America. We live under a corporatocracy in this country and we are beholden to plutocrats
>>546043349>globalism is... le bad!If you don't support the unconditional free flow of labour and capital you're literally a communist.
>>546043344>the ISMAgain, you people are constantly trying to gaslight the public by trying to cover-up the meanings of these words, or distort them. "Capitalism" refers to a very explicit policy of the "private ownership of the means of production". That's it. Nothing else. It just means wealthy people, privately owning these big companies.There isn't an "ism" attached to it, or any of these other complicated packages of policies or ideologies which you people try to pretend this word refers to. This is just another way you can gaslight the public, and keep them indoctrinated, confused, controlled.
>>546042817Fuck off Muhamhead.
>>546043341We have the end result of the "free market", an oligarchy where a few corporations and people control all the resources.
>>546043349There's no such thing as "national capitalism", and never has been, and never can be, because the greed of the bourgeoisie cannot be limited by concern for the common good: the public, the workers, the creators of "profit", are the perpetual victims of the capitalists. You have simply been deceived by Evil.
>>546043414You know "free flow of labour" just means mass replacement migration right or do you unironically believe in the lie they sold everyone in the 90s that we're gonna welcome all the H1B doctors and scientists
>>546042817Capitalism is the closest to nature. The strong survive, and the weak are culled.
>>546043406The word "capitalism" refers to the private ownership of the means of production. Nothing more. The means of production, in America, are privately owned, and therefore we live in "capitalist society". You try to gaslight the public over the meanings of these basic words, in order to keep them controlled, confused and indoctrinated. You're pseudointellectually using big words here, in order to try to make your post appear more authoritative, or informed, but, in fact, you're only trying to gaslight the public further in order to protect the corruption, and the powerful, per the usual for fascists.
>>546043349Globalization is the result of capitalism requiring expanding markets.
>>546043573The closest to nature would be hunter gatherer economy, acktually.
>>546043564Yes there is nationalize the banks
>>546043344A lot of people in the US can't afford basics like housing or groceries. Even slaves had somewhere to stay.
>>546043573None of the social animals are capitalists. E.g. bees.
>>546043483>The suffix -ism attaches to nouns, verbs, or adjectives to form a noun that denotes a system of beliefs, a distinctive practice, a state of beingThe -ISM places the gaining of Capital on the top of the ladder. This is why Capital-ISM always devolves into late stage Capitalism; vice and greed sells better than virtue and restraint. The more a society becomes wealthy through Capitalism, the more said society becomes degenerate. The more degenerate, the more Capitalism begins looking unfavorable. The more Capitalism looks unfavorable, the more a society is likely to swing into Communism, usually Socialism first. And once we reach Communism, we tire of not having enough food and resources, and we swing back to Capitalism. Capitalism and Communism complement each other, one leading to the other. The snake eating its own tail.
>>546043566Enforcing borders is just taxes being paid for a large gated community. Why should I be paying for YOUR gated community? I already have my own, paid by me.
>>546043634Nationalize anything and they'll call you a Socialist. Like Maduro.
>>546043648true. we are in late stage capitalism. before this, everyone could afford nice things thanks to capitalism - such as a house. but vice sells much better, and we're now being sold vice. we have nothing but bread and circus.
>>546042817>I think it might be a good thing because it prevents a power monopoly of politiciansThen the capitalists buy the politicians.
>>546043587that's why it didn't happen until we invented the intermodal shipping container that led to shipping costs from the third-world dropping through the floor right no it was a choice
>>546043731>A mortal man dies along with his dependents but will you be a man of eternity by your righteousness? Is it not wrong when a balance tilts, a plummet strays, and the straight becomes crooked? Lo, justice has fled from you, driven from its place. The judges do wrong and right-speech has become one-sided. The judges take what has been stolen. He who should set matters right makes things go wrong. He who should give breath chokes one who is on the ground and he who should make breathing easier makes one gasp for air. The mediator is a robber and he who should destroy need, commands its creation. The town is its own floodwater and he who should combat evil, commits crimes himself.–The Book of Khun-Anup, The Book of the Moral Narrative
>>546043690Because I'm a nationalist?
>>546042817Germany had a better system than what exists today, but it was destroyed.
>>546043831based
>>546043847Capitalists are not Nationalists. It's always more profitable to be a "Globalist"
>>546043847Pay for your own gated community then faggot. I shouldn't be forced by the state to pay for it.
>>546043681Just the emptiest, completely fictional rantings, per the usual for /pol/. I presume you're trying to imply that "fascism is different", or whatever. But "fascism" is not an economic policy. Nor is "communism". You people use these words on this board interchangably, as if they all refer to economic policies, and these are not the facts.Fascism is a broad political policy, which encompasses the economic policy of capitalism. Communism is a broad political philosophy which encompasses the economic policy of socialism.Per usual, you people are always trying to mix up the meanings of these words in order to continue gaslighting and confusing the general public, and keep them controlled, indoctrinated, completely zombified under your will.
>>546043983>>546043681>Fascism is a broad political policy,broad political philosophy*. my mistake, there.
>>546043349a core tenant of capitalism is free trade, which is the elimination of trade barriers (i.e. borders) and leads to the creation of global supply chains, foreign direct investment and capital flow. Just look at history. globalism is the result of capitalism.
>>546043373This is your brain in ancuck. There is nothing outside of economics in the ancuck mind, there is no race, no culture, and certainly no god.
>>546043915I don't want a gated community retard I want high-trust culturally cohesive nation where you can leave your doors unlocked and everyone is willing to lend a hand to help each other out
>>546043983This isn't an argument. Instead of separating the economy from the politics, we should see that theyre tightly connected. Socialism isn't an economic system either, but we all know what a Socialist economic system means. Same with Communism. As for Fascism, we can have Capitalist Fascism (oligarchy) and we can have Communist Fascism (Nazbol). I'd even say that every form of economic policy, including Capitalism, is maintained by a Fascist approach; the free-market is only free so long as it's making money, whether the product is good for us or not.
>>546042817Capitalism is ok but it need guidance, regulations and taxes to work so all can benefits about it....not just top 0,005%.
>>546044147>I don't want a gated community retard I want a gated communityThen PAY FOR IT BY YOURSELF.Don't force others to pay for your own wants.If not enough people are willing to pay for this, and you start FORCING people to pay for it then it's LITERALLY communism.
>>546042817China has shown that capitalism can be a good thing even with a communist leadership
>>546044275>everything that's not ancap is communismtalk about obfuscation
>>546044155You're trying to throw as many big-word, impressive-sounding political buzzwords into your comment as possible, in order to continue trying to make your posts appear authoritative, impressive, and to further keep them confusing the public over these very basic political concepts.There's just socialism vs capitalism, when it comes to the economic policies in question. With socialism, the means of production are publicly owned, with capitalism they're privately owned. These are not complicated, in-depth questions. You people, as fascists, try to fool people into believing these concepts are overly complicated, in order to continue keeping them controlled and completely dominated by your precious fascist political philosophies, and the wealthy people which they exclusively benefit.
>>546044349Slander isn't a counter, and economics isn't as black and white as "there is this or that."
>>546042817>I don't mean free market but capitalismCapitalism requires free markets. What you have is a inefficient command economy with an ever growing social safety net facilitating graft and regulatory capture/obstructionUnfortunately for you, you won't do well in any system, especially the voting to own the chuds outcome
>>546042817>is an economy based around growth a good thing?yes>is an economy based around ENDLESS GROWTH a good thing?nojust kick the kikes out of every single country bruh
>>546044389It is extremely black and white, and you don't appear to have any form of meaningful response for the basic facts, past clutching your pearls and playing the victim while you just listlessly double down on posts everyone knows are complete, overt misinformation, per the usual for /pol/.
>>546044349there is something called a "mixed system," and it's what we live under.
>>546043183>t. Magnus shitposting on his phone VPN mid-match against Anish Giri
>>546042817Capitalism is a natural state of men. What we have now is Keynesian corporative kikery not capitalism.
>>546044389The means of production are either in the hands of the many or the few. It is binary.
>>546044477No. We don't live under a "mixed system". We live in a nation where the means of production are exclusively privately owned. A "mixed system" would be a nation in which certain big sectors, like energy for example, were nationalized, but others were remained private.
>>546044443I'm a National Socialist. The socio-economic policy here blends three distinct systems into one: Nationalism, Socialism, and the Free-Market.
>>546044131Only when the capitalistic elites in question enjoy a degree of hegemony. Chinese businessmen are as ruthlessly cuthroat and profit oriented as their Judeo-Western counterparts but won't hear of free trade because protecting their market in the absence of hegemony trumps access to new markets.
>>546044572>I'm a National Socialist.This means that you're a capitalist. No matter what other empty, pandering, false-promise rhetoric you have about yourselves. This means that you use manufactured identity politics distractions (ie, the culture wars, which your fascists fund both ends of, in order to keep the public fighting with one another) and jewish scapegoats, in order to divert all of the public attention and blame away from capitalism, and all of it's problems.
>>546044566>We don't live under a "mixed system"Lmfao
>>546044675Capitalism is not the Free Market. The Free Market can exist outside of Capitalism.
>>546043573Real capitalism has never been tried.
>>546044698We don't live under a "mixed system", in America. Your propaganda on the right includes perpetually trying to brainwash the public into believing they live under a "communist" or "socialist" or otherwise "leftist dictatorship", in order to continually keep them blaming the left-wing policies which this nation opposes, for their problems. Most of your propaganda, as fascists, exist to keep the general public blaming the wrong people for their problems, in order to ensure they never hold the people who actually hold power responsible. We do not even have universal healthcare, in the united states.
>>546044782Let's start with Freddie Mae and fannie mac you fucking moron
>>546044745real capitalism is when vampire-pedophiles control the financial system, Western governments, and the media, and then destroy the planet. you must be thinking of "ideal capitalism"; we have real capitalism already
>>546044566you're correct about the means of production being in private hands (capitalism). but there also exists a welfare state, and government regulations on working practices, pollution, etc. there are also federally owned rail service (amtrak), postal service, and the government owns some power generation facilities and utilities even in the USA. >>546044594I don't know much about China, but they rely heavily on international markets for their products.
>>546044704This is completely unrelated to my comment, which you've just completely ignored in order to evade having to face the facts. But regardless, again, the term "free market" means "no price controls", and it only exists under the capitalist economic policy. It does not mean....what you people pretend it means on the far right, which would be this completely contrived idea of an anarchist society, completely controlled by corporations, with literally no government or regulations.>>546044862That's not the means of production. Again, "capitalism" doesn't mean "the government does nothing". And "socialism" isn't "when government does stuff".This is the constant lie that you people on the right continually try to sell to the public. In the United States, the means of production are completely, uniquely privately owned.
>>546044131I know that shit because the international financial elite met up in hangouts like the Bilderberg Group and the WEF and decided that they had more in common with each other than with their fellow countrymen and worked to bring the whole world under the same set of free trade, low taxation, open borders policies to keep them on top and everyone else in the gutter, and that was never supposed to happen under paleo-capitalism or whatever you wanted to call it that Adam Smith and Ricardo proposed because they assumed that the rich of each country would put patriotism ahead of profits which turned out to be over-optimisticThe last working model was 1950s-1970s nationally regulated capital-controlled Bretton Woods style capitalism but I realize that it's a pipe-dream to go back to that, the alternative is some international nationalistic workers movement that's never existed before and would be way too easy for intelligence agencies to sneak into and undermine or subvert to serve their glowie bullshit
>>546044870That's right. All of those things exist. And none of those things have to do with whether or not a nation is a "mixed system", "socialist", or "capitalist". Because this policy is only discussing the ownership of the means of production. And welfare states are endemic to capitalist societies, not socialist ones which remove the cost of living and therefore remove the general need for public welfare.
>>546044939>That's not the means of production.With fiat monetary policy it quite literally is. But since that leaves too much wiggle room for your bad faith faggot communist argumentation, what is inqtel
>>546044939The Free Market implies two things: No price controls, as you mentioned, and also no product controls (within reason). Cigarettes, for example, are perfectly legal to sell in our Free Market, because the harmful effects are tolerable to the majority, whereas the effect of meth are not, and thus meth is not permitted within our Free Market. This is the effect of Capitalism on the Free Market: You can peddle any harmful vice you want, and get rich doing so, as long as the consumers don't protest too much.
>>546044275>Then PAY FOR IT BY YOURSELF.I already pay taxes bro why the fuck do you want a Netflix for roads
>>546043650Bees are fascists. They all work for the queen, who was warriors that will kill the workers if they stop working for the queen.
>>546045041There's no way for you to pretend that banks or financial institutions are "the means of production". This has nothing to do with "capitalism" vs "socialism", which exists exclusively in terms of focusing on the means of production. The financial institutions don't qualify under the umbrella of what these policies are referencing.I know you will continue to pretend you don't understand the basic meanings of these words, in order to keep up your grift of convincing people "the united states is socialist", therefore diverting the public anger away from the policies which actually hold power in this nation, and on to the ones which do not, because this is part of how fascists mind control the public.
>>546044869Thanks for clarifying that, *reads name* Lucifer-Thoth.
>>546042817>oh shit a pile of wood is on fire maybe pouring on gasoline on it would be better because it's wood's fault for it being set on fire?
>>546045027and yet most of the things you accept as being endemic to capitalism and not a sign of a mixed system were the result of socialist agitation.
>>546045160Start a business without a bank originating a loan that PRODUCES the liquidity and is collateralized by the capital. faggot.I'll waitAnswer the question. What is inqtel
>>546045046The phrase "free market" refers only to whether or not the nation employs price controls, meaningfully. We do not employ any meaningful price controls in America, therefore we are a "free market capitalist society".You're trying to redefine the meanings of every political word, every day here on /pol/, in order to continue confusing the public, and indoctrinating them into believing they live in this leftist society, controlled by leftist conspiracies and policies. And the reason you do this is in order to keep the general public blaming "the left" for all of your pisspoor policies and corruption.
>>546045270>A free market is an economic system in which the prices and production of goods and services are determined by supply and demand from buyers and sellers, with little to no government control or intervention.Notice "price" and "good" sold.
>>546045208Once more, the phrase "mixed system", or the words "socialism", or "capitalism", refer only to whether or not there's private ownership of the means of production, or public. No matter how much you people want to pretend these words mean other things, in order to indoctrinate the public into blaming these leftist politics, which don't exist in America, for their obvious problems which you've caused, from your corruption and failure.
Nationalism Socialism is the correction to the Free Market. First, under Nationalism, the State itself is responsible for disallowing products of vice to be sold merely because they can be, destroying the concept of Capitalism (the pursuit of Capital above all else). Second, Socialism implies that the products sold should do more good for the society than harm, reinforcing point 1. Here, the Free Market becomes a tool for increasing a society's well-being, not the Capitalist's coffer.
>>546045314That's not the definition of the term "free market". That's a completely made-up, fake definition you just posted yourself, from nowhere. Because this is the type of deceptive thing you do on /pol/, in order to push your deceptive political grifts upon the public. But this factually is not the definition of "the free market".
>>546045367so rules around work weeks, conditions, pollution, and the existence of a welfare state aren't the result of organized leftist politics including unions? that seems like strange position to take for a socialist
>>546045474>That's not the definition of the term "free market".It may not be your definition, but it is the accepted definition of "free market."
>>546045475with the exception of the welfare state, which is the result of your high costs of living which you impose upon the public, in order to benefit the landlord and otherwise capitalist class, those are leftist policies. But none of that pertains to this nation being "Socialist" or even "mixed economy", because these policies refer to whether or not the private means of production, or public means of production, exists. And in the United States, our means of production are exclusively private.
>>546042817Nothing wrong with capitalism. All the financial problems with the modern world come from fractional reserve banking and the abandonment of currency in favor of money.
>>546045531Not the definition I got from my AI summation. Therefore, I don't know what you did, but if you look in any actual dictionary, you'll quickly find yours is not the correct definition.
>>546045637It leader says the same thing.
>>546045637>Not the definition I got from my AI summationWhat is inqtel glow nigger? who owns the largest single stake in Intel? Who owns veto shares in nippon steel?
>>546045677No. It does not. In fact. You made a point about "free market" meaning "the production of goods and services were not governed by the government", and that's not what the term "free market" means. That's just your AI summation picking up on a forum full of libertarian rhetoric, in the annals of it's training, and misposting an unfactual definition.
>>546045740>"the production of goods and services were not governed by the governmentYour screenshot definition literally says>A free market is an economic system in which the prices of goods and services are determined by supply and demand from buyers and sellers, RATHER THAN BY GOVERNMENT PRICE CONTROLS...It's the same definition lol.Are you trolling me right now?
>>546045738That's right. The United States recently nationalized intel and a few other companies who were about to fail due to the failures of capitalism. Good point. That's correct. But when this is done in the the united states, or in other fascist societies, it's done only in response to direct immediate necessity which would otherwise crash the country if we didn't do it, not done ideologically. ie, trump clearly does not want socialism, and the moment these companies are able to produce meaningful products, they will be reprivatized. Just like what happened to the automotive industry in 2008, for example.
>>546045815>Are you trolling me right now?You are arguing with an agitprop midwit who works for some flavor of "NGO" or ngo funded money wash. The question as to wether said idiot is doing it for actual pay or for the applause of a discord thinking that they're doing something of their own organic volition remains unknowable.
>>546045931lol i see
>>546045815Right. My definition is the correct one. Mine is the one which would be corroborated by pretty much any dictionary you look in, factually. I don't know what you're whining about. You're just whining, and yelling in all caps that I'm right and you're not.2 different definitions, though. You appear to be unwilling to recognize even the existence of basic differences in sentences now, on /pol/.
>>546045900So we have a mixed economy and have for decades, don't we, you dumb fucking disingenuous niggerYou aren't going to be a Commisar, skylar
>>546045990>>546045931>>546045957 enough discord tranny.
>>546045241Banks do not equate to "the means of production", no matter how much you want to pretend they do. Once more, socialism is not "when government does stuff". It's when the means of production is publicly owned. Once more, this is why no one outside of /pol/, or far right fascist echochambers, even bothers to pretend "the United States is not capitalist."You people are promoting blatantly unfactual propaganda, which is intended to convince uninformed voters to blame their problems on your political oppositions policies, even though those aren't even the policies which were implemented within this nation.
>>546046113>>546045241>Banks do not equate to "the means of production"And I mean this in terms of....the way lots of you will pretend "the united states isn't capitalist becuz it has a central bank". Central banks, which every capitalist nation has, don't relate or pertain to socialism or capitalism in any fashion, when these policies refer to the private ownership of the means of production....not whether or not your government exists, and just performs the most basic functions.
"Socialism" would be if the government took over Nike, Apple, Tesla, Netflix and everything else. And then we had the right to vote, or exert any form of democracy influence on how those companies were run, and also that they were not run for the personal profit of any wealthy person. That's the type of thing "socialism" refers to.
>>546046113>socialismGreat. We are talking about a mixed economy, which is where leftist central command economy jerk-offs (natsoc, fascist and communist) begin their planned take over of all economic activity.America is a mixed economy, which is the opening stage of a command economy, usually initiated via centralized banking in order to control outflow of liquidity.
>>546046513Once more, no matter how much you pretend otherwise in order to indoctrinate the public into blaming your leftist political opposition for your own corruption and failures, the United States is neither a "socialist", nor "mixed" economy. It does not have any public ownership of the means of production, and to have a "mixed economy" would mean that we have certain big companies, which product consumer products, which were owned by the government, and we don't have any of that.You're trying to convince people that we do just in order to mind control them, and keep them voting for you, if you can indoctrinate them into blaming "the left" for their problems, by convincing them this nation is governed by leftist policies, which we're factually not remotely governed by.
>>546046513>>546046730>which product consumer productswhich produce* consumer products.
>>546046730We are talking about a mixed economy, which is where leftist central command economy jerk-offs (natsoc, fascist and communist) begin their planned take over of all economic activity.You aren't going to be a commissar, skyler
>>546046860Welp, we've reached the inevitable point, which comes in every /pol/ thread, where your fascist propaganda has completely run out of steam. You've been confronted with the facts, which obviously are in complete contravention of your fascist rhetoric, and presumably you have no response for them. Therefore, you just pretend to ignore them, and pretend not to understand them, in order to justify just listlessly repeating your own falsehood and bankrupt propaganda, per usual.
>>546046937>>546046860And also, I might note, that you appear to be completely mentally buck broken, to the point where you're just discussing everything in pure gibberish terms. I mean, it's not very impressive posting, anon. I must note.
Remember, people on /pol/ exist only to lie to you. To divert your attention away from the people who really hold power, with culturewar diversions, jewish scapegoats, and pure misinformation intended to indoctrinate you into believing this nation is ruled by leftist politics, when it's patently not. The failure of the fascist is that he allows himself to be fooled into blaming another for the crimes which were perpetrated against him, and his family, and his nation. If you've been conned by the rhetoric of the fascists, then you've already, unfortunately, experienced this failure.
>31pbtid>keeps going.>likely selfbumpingdo you get paid or are you in it just for the love if the updoots?mixed economic policies are the opening moves to erode economic viability outside of state control and lead to a full command economy. I don't care how many times you dance around reality with subjective definitions in bad faith.you aren't going to be a commissar, skyler.f
Ask china
>>546047451>mixed economic policies are the opening moves to erode economic viability outside of state control and lead to a full command economy.When has that ever happened literally every example in history of a mixed economy later got privatized and the only command economies (Russia, China) went directly from feudalism to communism via revolution
>>546043341But Capitalism has never been tried, America is a Corporate Oligarchy.
NoIts anti human and jewish
>>546042817If you define capitalism by "the system where the rich abuse the poor" then any discussion ends before it starts. It's bad, duh.This is the whole "marxist theory" btw kek. Marxists can circlejerk their whole lives but they are outside of any serious conversation for that reason.
>>546047704Why would any capitalist keep fighting the state when he can buy control of it and use it to regulate his competition out of business
>>546047451Again, the United States is a capitalist economy, with exclusively private means of production. We're not a "socialist" or "mixed economy", in any fashion. A "mixed economy" would be if certain big corporations, which produce consumer goods, explicitly, were nationalized by the government, whilst others were not. If we took over the tech sector, for example, but let the automobile manufacturing sector completely private. That would be a prime example of a "mixed economy". This is not what the United States economy is, patently.You're refusing to recognize the basic facts about our nation in order to evade having to face that it was your policies which made people miserable and enslaved, in this nation. And this is how fascist propaganda works, not by denying the failures of your own policies, but rather by diverting the blame for them on to various other scapegoats.And you refuse to respond directly to me, because you know you don't have any responses for any of the content I've posted above, or the points within this content.
>>546047907>>546047451And not just "nationalized", mind you, but "nationalized" in the regard that the ownership and control of them was explicitly pulled from the wealthy, in the fashion that they would no longer be able to profit off of the private ownership of the means of production, anymore.
>>546047907>A mixed economy is an economic system that combines elements of capitalism (private ownership and market forces) with elements of socialism or planned economies (government intervention and public ownership). We have a mixed economy by the very definition of the term, communist faggot.>hurdurrrrrrr everything is capital C Capitalism until its communism!what is Intelwho owns the veto shares of nippon steelwhat are the largest line items of the united states budgetwho owns freddie mae and fannie macwhat enables tax advantage of IRA and 401ks?what is FDIC insurance backed byyou aren't going to be a commissar skylerkill yourself before people smarter than you enslave you
>>546042817right about everything award
>>546042817Yes and its the same as free market retard.Incentive is literally the father of all of innovation
>>546042817Yes. Thread closed.
>>546048179We're at the point where you're just continually repeating your own completely disproven, completely unfactual claims about the United States, the global bastion of free market capitalism, not being capitalist.And it's just you repeating your concretely disproven claims from above, over and over, pretending you didn't understand or read the responses, because your purpose is to misinform people into believing they "dont live under capitalism", in order to prevent them from blaming "capitalism" from the problems they're facing.But again, everything you've posted, we've been through above, multiple times. You will continually repeat yourself in this thread, in hopes that the newcomers to it won't read above, and this is just one more usual /pol/ mendacity, which you all practice, whenever you patently lose debates to leftists.
>>546048868>completely disprovenDefine mixed economy
Just pure deception. That's all fascism, or the fascist propagandists on /pol/ are. This is what's practiced here. Pure deception.Why would anyone want to be part of a political movement which is clearly practicing relentless deception upon them, and their families, and ultimately their whole nation?
>>546042817Who knows, its not existed in generations. The modern world operates under Judaism.
>>546048890We've already been through this discussion, multiple times in the comments above. Here >>546047907 for example. Which isn't even a comment from way up in the thread, but just from a few comments prior. And you're refusing to face basic facts, per usual on /pol/, in order to continually gaslight the public and convince them to blame anyone other than your precious fascist politics for their pain.The fact that we're having this discussion about a wholly uncomplicated, uncontroversial fact in the first place: that the United States is the global bastion of free market capitalism in this world, is just testament to how completely mendacious and deceptive you fascist propagandists obviously are.
The United States is defined, as a nation, by it's unfettered private ownership of the means of production. This is precisely what the word "capitalism" refers to, and it's patently completely bankrupt for anyone to pretend, in any fashion, that we're not a "capitalist nation".
>>546049075Define. Mixed. Economy.
>>546049163>>546047907
>>546049238>>546049163You're trying to invoke the usual conservative notion that "mixed economy" or "socialism" means "anytime the government does anything". This is the standard you've created. If the government passes a regulation, or law, or contains literally any governing body, then you're claiming "this is socialism, this is a mixed economy!" and this is clearly an unfactual "libertarian" gaslight in order to convince the public that "nothing is real capitalism, and therefore capitalism can't be blamed for anything." It's just the emptiest, and most common form of gaslighting which rightists use to protect their precious corrupt capitalist policy, from any form of prosecution.
>>546049238Greatwhat is in-q-tel?who owns the veto shares of nippon steelwhat are the largest line items of the united states budgetwho owns freddie mae and fannie macwhat enables tax advantage of IRA and 401ks?what is FDIC insurance backed byyou aren't going to be a commissar skyleranswer these questions
>>546042817>I think great ideas and vision mostly comes from individuals and not from the collective mind of peopleNah, the collective hive mind of the people is greater than the individual. It's very egotistical to think one man possesses mystical visionary abilities above that of the collective thinking of millions of people.
>>546042940>free tradeHe's right, you can have free trade and socialism.
>>546049398We discussed intel above >>546045900. Again, we've discussed every point you're bringing up, over and over again, and you're just relentlessly pretending not to have read or understood the comments, because your only goal here is to propagandize the public into believing "this isn't a capitalist nation, therefore I don't need to blame capitalism for me oppression or pain," and this is just 1 more way fascists protect the wealthy and the powerful from any form of prosecution.We discussed fannie may and freddie mac above too >>546046257, >>546046113. We've discussed all of this, everything consequential which you're repeatedly invoking here, we've discussed it at length, and you just keep on commenting with your repetitious propaganda in the hopes of new lurkers in the thread not reading your previous comments, which were BTFOd.
>>546043324>should greedy psychopaths run society?The problem America is full of low IQ retarded rightoids that that are gullible and easily fooled by psychopaths. How do we fix the extreme stupidity of rightoids? They hate all forms of education and belive they are correct about everything.
>>546049581What is IN-Q-TEL you dumb fucking puppet? you genuinely don't know do you lolWhat percentage sharehold of a company constitutes government ownership, by your textbook incorrect definition of mixed economy, which I am graciously accepting to bait you and your textbook squaking? do you make any considerations or carveout for things like preferential share power or permanent board seats?you aren't going to be a commissar skyler
>>546043373>If you are not a free market absolutist you're LITERALLY a communist.>All issues are black and white. I refuse to accept any grey areaThen you are stupid anon. Simple as.
>>546049774We've discussed all of this, multiple times above. You're perpetually unwilling to face even the most basic facts about the United States economy, in order to continue your attempt to indoctrinate the public into thinking "we live in a socialist economy, therefore I'll blame my problems on the leftists".That's all this is about.This is you creating a completely fake definition of the word "socialism", as being "whenever the government does things", and this is a very usual conservative lie, which you're famous for using to gaslight the public over the corruption, oppression and pain manufacture by your own capitalist economic policies.
>>546049996WhatIsIn-q-tel
>>546050038Anon. We've discussed it multiple times above. It's done. Frequently ignoring what your political opposition posts in order to evade having to face the facts, does not reflect well upon any of you.
>>546050235>>546050038Here, I'll link to one of the previous comments, just because I know what you're trying to do is flood the thread passed the previous comments when your talking points were completely blow the fuck out. Then just repeat yourselves in the hopes that I'll be too lazy to embark on this big discussion with you over, and over, and over, and over, and over. Here >>546045900.
>>546042817Yeah.My grandparents lived in tenements.My parents lived in a house and worked hard and invested.I work hard, get huge inheritance and invest.Capitalism means getting rich. I could stop working. I have enough but I want my children to have even more.
>>546050235>We've discussed it multiple times aboveShow me where you explain what in-q-tel is. Then by your textbook wrong definition of a mixed economy, which I have agreed to argue under even though your definition is mealy mouthed communist bullshit, define what constitues state ownership in a private corporation.I'm waiting.
worship of money as the cornerstone of your society wcgw
>>546050365I've quoted both of these posts for you, multiple times now >>546045900, >>546047907. This is just a joke, at this point. The word "Capitalism" refers to "the private ownership of the means of production", which is how all of the big businesses in America are owned. Completely privately. It does not have anything to do with your fascist misdefinition of the word, as being "a corporately owned, anarchist society, with no government, and no one to pass or enforce regulations upon big businesses," or whatever you people continually try to pretend the word "capitalism" means. This is a direct falsehood. No matter how many times you listlessly repeat yourselves.
>>546050628Inqtel isn't Intel you dumb fuck and/or bottom tier glownigger. What is in-q-telThen by your textbook wrong definition of a mixed economy, which I have agreed to argue under even though your definition is mealy mouthed communist bullshit, define what constitues state ownership in a private corporation.
>>546050365"I've quoted both of these posts for you, multiple times now >>546045900, >>546047907. This is just a joke, at this point. The word "Capitalism" refers to "the private ownership of the means of production", which is how all of the big businesses in America are owned. Completely privately.""It does not have anything to do with your fascist misdefinition of the word, as being "a corporately owned, anarchist society, with no government, and no one to pass or enforce regulations upon big businesses," or whatever you people continually try to pretend the word "capitalism" means. This is a direct falsehood. No matter how many times you listlessly repeat yourselves."Really man, this is pathetic. Please just drop this idiotic fucking bullshit where you pretend you don't even know what "capitalism" is, or means.
>>546050691I don't know what that is. If you're not referring to intel, you should have made that clear in the post prior. Whatever "inqtel" is, it obviously has nothing to do with demonstrating the means of production in the united states are not privately owned, and therefore not capitalist, because they factually are.
>>546050758>>546050691Also, imagine writing this dumb idiocy like 50 times, without just being like "even though we were discussing intel, previously, I'm not referring to intel anymore," Just fucking retarded.
>>546042817I know for sure you are a bad thing for 4chan
>>546050758>I don't know what that is.UHHHH OHHHHHHH
>>546050845Do you have a fucking point to make, dude? Or are you just going to be like "oh, I brought up a completely random factoid, and then when you didn't know it, I declared myself winner of the debate, even though the point I'm making has been patently demonstrated wrong over, and over, and over again?" because I can promise you no one finds that extremely common /pol/ grift as impressive as you feel they will.
>>546050921>Do you have a fucking point to makeI sure do.What constitutes government control or ownership of a "private" company under your schizophrenic and incorrect definition of mixed economy, you stupid mother fucker
>>546050921>>546050845>>546050801>>546050758>>546050691Here, let's look up "In-Q-Tel" now, because libertariananon doesn't want to just tell people what his point is.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-TelWow. Look at that. A private branch of the fascist CIA. Apparently you were thinking, in one fashion or another, that this apparently demonstrated your completely false fascist rhetoric about "the USA not being capitalist?" Nope. Completely other way around if anything. As fascists, you use private branches of the CIA to evade public oversight. Because government is far more transparent than the private sector, obviously.
>>546051032You don't have a point to make about "In-Q-Tel" then, which you were just bringing up ad nauseum, in a way which didn't make any sense? Now, when you're confronted about it, and asked what your point was, the best you can do is just completely ignore the question and divert the conversation onto another one of your fucking idiotic FoxNews "socialism is when the government does stuff" posts?
>>546051036>libertariananonLmfao not even close
Am i witnessing a brainlet fight?
"Socialism is when the govt does stuff!" no. It's not. No matter how many times you fucking propagandists here repeat yourselves. No one will ever fall for that grift. This is not what these words mean, no matter how much you try to literally rewrite our entire language in order to better control people by rendering every political word completely meaningless.
>>546051158I know this. "Libertarian" is just another word for "fascism". You people have 1,000 different labels for yourselves, but you only use them to brand yourself, or evade responsibility for whichever crimes you've committed under your previous brands.I'm continuing to wait for your point about "In-Q-Tel", which you were screaming about for multiple posts earlier, but then when you were asked what your point was you've come up completely empty.Come on, man. Fuck you, OK? Fuck off. You're fucking disgusting. Wasting people's time here, trying to pretend "the united states isn't capitalist, because socialism is when the government does stuff!" everyone knows you don't believe this. No one's falling for your grift.You're just wasting time and worthlessly trying to deceive the entire world.
>>546051221What constitutes government control or ownership of a "private" company under your schizophrenic and incorrect definition of mixed economy, you stupid mother fucker
Incoming, just another empty "but socialism is when the govt does stuff!" reply.It's not. Once more, socialism is when the means of production in the nations are publicly owned and operated, and not privately owned or operated for the financial profit of the fucking billionaires.
>>546051354Dude I don't even know what this comment means. It's complete verbal gibberish, and I think it might even be gibberish intentionally, just in order to cover-up the fact that you have absolutely no fucking actual point to make about this "In-Q-Tel" thing you were ranting about earlier, nor can you defend your clearly bankrupt "US isn't capitalist becuz socialism is when the govt does stuff!" bullshit. Honestly, fuck you. You people just blatantly mendacious and you relentlessly waste everyone's fucking time.
>>546042978It's corporatism or crony capitalism. They can raise prices and eventually gut anything when people stop buying to make a few extra bucks for the short term vulture capitalism. All of it is seriously abnormal now. Mostly an individual wants to have a good business supply and demand and innovation is great and would get a person far right?
it sounds like you are having thought loops about inqtel
"But the US isn't capitalist, becuz socialism is whenever the govt does stuff. Therefore you can't blame capitalism, or my precious wealthy billionaires whom I obviously work for, for your problems, mmmmkay?" - Every post on /pol/, whenever this topic comes up.
>>546051513The United States is a capitalist economy, you subhuman fucking animal. "Capitalism" refers to "the private ownership of the means of production," which is how the means of production are owned in this nation. Privately.The end. Fuck off. You pieces of trash continually try to make up these new terms, or pseudointellectual-sounding big words, in order to confuse people, and make them feel these topics are more complicated or nuanced than they are, in order to either convince them to just not even think about it, because "it's too complicated", or just outright gaslight them into oblivion over the fact that it's your precious fascist economic policy of capitalist which was responsible for every last one of their problems.
>>546051652>>546051513>fascist economic policy of capitalistof capitalism*, I meant.
>>546051474>I am stupidYes, I know. Its why you think facism and communism are opposite ends of the political spectrum. Enjoy your degree from the university of reddit, you'll go really far in the future you're working towards lol
who said the US was not capitalist inbred retards? youre thinking of the country being a democratic republic or something
>>546051749Just to be clear, no actual point on this "In-Q-Tel" private CIA front you were indignantly bringing up earlier (presuming in order to make yourself appear populist, even though you clearly weren't). No actual point for you to make about anything, in fact, other than just listlessly repeating your "the US isn't capitalist, becuz socialism is whenever the govt does stuff. Therefore you can't blame capitalism, or my precious wealthy billionaires whom I obviously work for, for your problems, mmmmkay?" lines, which you've been posting for this entire thread. And now the best you can do is just make a quote from me telling you "I'm stupid", and then respond to it being like "tee hee, I know!" and then pretending you're the winner of this debate on the basis of that point, whilst emptily invoking "ur reddit". OK. Whatever. What a worthless board /pol/ is, and what a worthless POV fascism is.
It's just worthless here, you know? It's just worthless. Constant empty denial of every basic fact. The US is capitalist....this is a completely fundamental, basic fact about our nation. But /pol/ won't face it, because this fascist propaganda predicates itself upon the denial of every last basic fact, in order to keep the public dumb, uninformed, confused, and constantly blaming anyone other than those in power, the fascists, for their problems.
take your aspie thought loops to reddit then. the people there will bother reading your wall of text
>>546051219>>546051520>>546051882>>546052073Extreme empty copes.
I like this quote "the US isn't capitalist, becuz socialism is whenever the govt does stuff. Therefore you can't blame capitalism, or my precious wealthy billionaires whom I obviously work for, for your problems, mmmmkay?"Really puts into perspective what you people work to do, with your fascist rhetoric on this topic. I'm going to put it in a notepad, for the next time this conversation comes up on /pol/, which is basically every day.
>60 pbtid
the worst part is you dont even know how capitalism works but you are fixated on it
>>546052397>>546052655More of just the most baseless, worthless copes.
how do you think mass produced medicine became a thing? try to rebut this without sounding mad.
without market competition, modern medicine would not exist in the US. all innovations in generic medicine, smartphones, space flight and internet, in the US, would not exist. you would not have the adderall you're hopped up on to even go 60 pbtid.
