Russian negotiators in Abu Dhabi officially admitted that negotiations are not really about Ukraine but about rolling back NATO to its 1997 borders and building completely new security architecture in Europe.https://x.com/MoscowTimes_ru/status/2120479675382194595
>>546052649>new security architechtureHow about this: Russia stops unprovoked invasions of its neighbours
>>546052649What do you mean, admitted?That was the demand.
>>546052918If Westoids refuse the offer again like in 2021/2022, Russia should massacre one of three chihuahas, Estonia would be a good start xD
>>546052649>The Moscow Timesgo away kike.
>>546053080>>546052918>>546052649>locked down in eastern ukraine with the most pro russia US president ever>trust me bro we could take eastern europe if we wanted tokek, this "polack" (read: fleeing zigger) spams threads 24/7 on here. Russia belongs to China.
>rebus sic stantibus
>>546052901Make them.If you can't you must fulfil their demands.America wasted all their armaments in Ukraine and Iran and sent the rest to Israel, so the current security arrangement means shit.
>>546052901How about thisfinland shuts the fuck up as it's a irrelevant shithole
>>546052901nah. I like the Russian version.
>>546052901How about you fucking hohol coward go back to your shithole and join the army instead of warmongering while leeching welfare in Fingolia.
Are you literally shaking, Atlanta?>Message to NATO: don't interfere with our special military operation, otherwise you will see consequences unlike anything else in history>The consequences:
>>546052649>stop fighting back!No
>>546052901Nono listen this: how about we all join together and nuke amerimutts and jooz?
>>546052918After Trump exposed how weak the us's military industrial complex has become, this is a great time to make that demand.The US handing over its manufacturing base to china was the greatest strategic mistake in modern history. Xi said 'no rare-earths for america piggu' and now we're completely impotent, we can't even use nukes.
>>546053244absolute bullish but I shouldn't expect anything else from shitpost central. Did you miss the bit recently about how poorly ukraine did without topend starlink? How about the fact that 80% of their interceptor missiles are american. Ukraine has zero chance if the US withdrew all support for a month or more.Ukraine is dead. The sooner they accept it the better.
>Serial felon demands the neighborhood watch is disbanded
>>546052649NEXTPOPOLANDBOLAND>POPPOPOLANDBOLANDNEXTPOPOLANDBOLAND>POPPOPOLANDBOLANDNEXTPOPOLANDBOLAND?>POPPOPOLANDBOLAND?NEXTPOPOLANDBOLAND>POPPOPOLANDBOLANDLOOK OUTNEXTPO LANDNEXTPO'S NEXTPOPOLANDBOLAND'S NEXTHERE COMES A POLAND'S NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXT
Guys, we gonna have AGI soon. Can we stop killing each other?
>>546052649Proving they want to invade more countries, including yours I think?
I too want to be an astronaut
>>546052901Butthurt belter
>>546055227based. sick of these loud mouthed fucking mongoloids not taking on russia at the front.
Eurofags in shambles lmao
>>546052918We know. These people are making up history again
>>546052649...in exchange for what? Whats the counter offer to balance it out?
>>546052901Or what, what will your cucknigger castrated chihuahua "nation" do if they don't stop?Bark louder?KWAB
>>546052901>UnprovokedGuess we have a fucking retard who think nothing was happening in Ukraine prior to the war. It just happened for no reason in peculiar.
Russians could just not be faggots and be euro/american pals like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Georgia, and a million other nations. The chinks are going to fucking own siberia. Could've been Bering Straight New Power Generation, greedy slav kikelords.
>>546052649Isn't this implying they want to extend Russia's borders all the way to Germany?
>>546055227Finland defeated Russia before.They have every right to talk.Once you defeat the emu's maybe you can talk too.Until them go sit in the weak irrelevant countries with zero army that will lose to China in a day corner.
>>546052649Sure thing if we roll back Russia to its 1991 borders.
>>546052649It's not an admission.It's a quote of the declaration they started their response to the NATO encroachment with.
I see russian shilfarms have drifted into overdrive since ukraine started using israeli guidance and really fucking up their shit
>>546055464Das correct GAYTO clown stooge.Your "battle for the minds" in eastern yoorope was lost.Back fucking west you go. PRONTO BITCHBOY!!! :)
>>546052649This is what alcoholism does on a generational basis.
>>546055694They want to re-create the Soviet Union obviously.All the advanced technology and engineering of the Soviet Union came from European countries, Russia itself was a peasant shithole so they desperately want that back.
>>546052649>about rolling back NATO to its 1997 bordersjews and hohols breaking this promise is what brought about this whole thing to begin with, retard
>>546052901>unprovokedbeep boop fuckin globohomo bot
>>546055686>I MOOST PROOTECK RUSSIAN MINORITY
>>546052901Maybe when all the jews go to Madagascar
TZD
>>546055837That's called a donut empire.
>>546052649I'm so tired of these white ass HIV niggers
>>546052901Hey. Quit it with the antisemitism.
>>546052649They can demand the moon, but the issue is they have don't have much in terms of negotiating leverage. Ukraine is not agreeing to retarded demands that would see them invaded again in a few years. Putin's lap dog Trump might be more cautious about twisting Ukraine's arm into unconditional surrender with investigations and prosecutions looming above him once the new congress is sworn in. All that and new records of Russian casualties and refinery destruction are constantly being broken. Russia is in a very tough spot right now.
>>546055709Finland has never won a war against Russia, they spent most of their history under the Russian boot, when they weren't under the Russian boot they were under the Swedish boot, a nation of little bitches dominated by imperial power during 90% of their existence as modern people.
>>546055837>>546055694AND THEY WILL SUCCEED, BABYUS WILL ENSURE ITTHANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMPNEXTPOLANDNEXTPO'S NEXTNEXTPOPO POLANDBOLAND'S NEXTNIG NIGGER NIGGER NIGNIG-GER NIG NIGGER NIGGER NIIIG
lol. Ukraine should just keep going. The land war is going well for them now and Russia's strategic bombardment is unlikely to stop that momentum now. >but muh demographic collapse Already in the cards no matter what. Might as well keep going to get back as much territory as possible before it becomes a frozen conflict.
>>546055837>They want to re-create the Soviet Union obviously.Thanks for the opinion, WSJ
What's up with the blatant zigger agents on /pol/ today? What blew up this time? Who fell out of a window by "accident" now?
>>546055958LOL
>>546052901>unprovokedyou retards still exist
>>546052649>rolling back NATO to its 1997 bordersThat's literally Putin's Munich speech from 2007, you dumb tard.
>>546055992NATO lost the war against Russia, deal with it lil bwo
>>546052649>russia demands
>>546056020Didn't realize we were at war with Russia. Guess they're just too irrelevant to notice.
>>546056020This is what winning looks like.
>>546052901NATO should just be disbanded. There is no use for it now. You are all (including my country) leaching off the US taxpayer for your own defense. All while mocking the people who protect you.
>>546052649Is this new information?
>>546056066Zelenskike is the centerpiece of every NATO meeting, NATO is negotiating with Russia under Russian terms without the ceasefire that NATO begs endlessly for, NATO is at war with Russia.
Hivans are going crazy these days.
>>546053080Then France should nuke it to set the mood. After all, we're a non-country now.
>>546056123Too many assholes in this shitty clubhouse which don't get along is this "coalition's" problem.As usual with any club of assholes.
>>546056194Good luck with the work visa to Siberia, Ivan Hermandez
>>546056128No :/
>>546055992>>546056258>The USA democracy is satanic and gay.>Zion Don is gay as fuck>Europe is gay as fuck and wants the US to protect them so their aging demographics and spend more tax dollars on importing sub human niggers.>"PROTECT US FROM RUSSIA FOR FREE USA! DO DO DO IT"Blow it out your ass. Remember Ron Paul you stupid snow nigger faggot? You look Russian to me, and I don't give a fuck about your snow nigger civil war. So please stop begging for free defense from yours truly. I would not loose a blink of sleep if Russia conquered your country and you never voted again. Any more questions faggot? I do agree with you that the holocaust never happened. Very brave of your considering the IP tracing and the fact that saying so is illegal in your country.
>>546052649internal border shifts within The Empire™ increasingly do not matter
>>546056272KWAB
lol at this rate putin will die of old age before he conquers ukraine.
>>546052649This border shit crap only makes sense if nuclear weapons don’t exist and are a total fraud.
>>546056335Fuck you, yank.Your shitty empire is collapsing just like jewSSR.DEATH TO GAYTO!!!
>>546056350>You must fight so you live under Economic zone B and not Economic zone A.That is modern war for you. Fighting to live under a faggot loving government that hates its own population and wants to replace you. >"But Russia". Oh, so you agree that both sides hate their native population and want them replaced with immigrants? Cool, so there is no reason to fight for a modern nation state. I say this as a veteran of the Iraq war. >>546056482Ya, the empire is collapsing, like all democracies. Glad we are in agreement.
>>546056123>NATO should just be disbanded. There is no use for it now.this was true like 30 years ago
>>546056482>Your shitty empireit was always globohomo's empire, retardSmedley Butler realized after the fact that all his efforts accomplished was protecting corporate interests abroadit has been this way since 1871
>>546056606Thanks, I hope you rake me last when America gets sick of this shit.
>>546052901>UnprovokedKek. Not even NAFO trannies are going to try to claim THAT retardation.
>>546056005>trying to have sovereignty is provoking for Russia!!!>Russia, the largest country in the world, needs a dozen more nations worth of territory to feel securereminder that the fall of the USSR/dissolution of the slavic/central asian republics was a direct result of the August coup attempt combined with all of the leaders of these republics having petty ambitions to be sovereign leaders. absent the August coup they would have stayed together per the referenda and only the baltics/caucasian apes would have leftreminder that NATO enlargement didn't begin until after the first Chechen war/Grozny being turned into a burned out husk of a city caused most of Eastern Europe to panic and start begging to be let into NATO, when it was first realized that Russia never changed.reminder that prior to 2013 the industrial ties between Russia/Belarus/Ukraine were finally starting to recover from moronic decisions made during independence and Ukraine was actively building military ships for Russia, and the only real material issue was some powers in Ukraine whining about the situation at Sevastopol and wanting EU association.basically this entire situation is everyone reacting to terrible and retarded Russian leadership decisions for the past 40 years. Compare how China managed east/west relations managing to dogwalk the west into giving them infinite free tech transfers and you realize just how fucking retarded Russians are. Basically every opportunity thrown away for an opportunity to play a game of energy blackmail which DIDN'T EVEN WORK!
>>546056683JewSA was the birth bitchbaby of globohomo.Your shithole's entire purpose was to play out as "global policeman".Now that kikes have seen the rot and decay onset in jewSA, they're ditching it, and attempting to make the Ejew as its replacement,(which will fail as well).The jewWO has failed, and that pleases me. :)
>>546052649Yeah no fucking shit. Why would they concede?
>>546052901>unprovokedAre you a bot?
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>>546052918>That was the demand.for at least 20 years.
>>546052649>officially admittednewfag, they have been saying that for years, Russians want a slav Switzerland, Jewlensky a new Belgium
>>546052649i agree, but only after poland becomes a nuclear armed state.
Russia is Occupant Кpым цe Укpaїнa Crimea and Donetsk is Ukraine Пyтин Bop Putin is dictator Russians are Mongols Death to Commies Cepп i Moлoт - Cмepть i Гoлoд Putin is Thief Пyтин Хyйлo Putin is Usurper Russians are not slavs Бpaти Cлoв'яни Пoляки Чeхи Хopвaти Укpaїнцi paзoм здoлaють Pociйcьких Oкyпaнтiв Putin is China puppet Жывe Бeлapycь Free Belarus Lukashenko is Thief Лyкaшeнкo Кoppyмпipoвaннi Узypпaтop Lukashenko is Russia's Puppet
>>546057041Nukes are fake n gay, if the average dumb poolak fails to see through this psyop, then forget about poooooooland ever becoming "independant".
>>546052649pidor meltdown happening before our eyesthere's no reality in which Poland, Baltics, Finland or anyone leaves NATO and they know it, so this is just to appeal to Trump's idiosyncratic pro-Russian interpretation of Europe and how Europe should look like and conduct itself and be defended and another distraction and they're pushing it now because after the midterms it will have been their last chance to salvage itthe best way to neutralize it is for Ukraine to make major battlefield gains and liberating most or all occupied territory, that would be undeniable and destroy pidorussia's lies, then they can seethe and cry all they want but everyone in Europe will just laugh our asses off while Lavrov protests at the UNGA
>>546055949>they spent most of their history under the Russian bootOut of all 3 recorded periods in Finland's history, Russian rule is the shortest, even our independence has lasted longer than it.
>>546055295all I see here is Ukraines failure to repel, in their own terms, "invaders"
>>546052901Blame yourself, your love for Jews is making you retarded.
>>546052901Article 5 is already worthless bro. Watch your tongue
Sure is a lot of 1pids slurping putins kike cock
>>546057022>Free Chechnya Independent DagestanHell yeah more islamic shitholes!Didn't read the rest lmao
>>546057128>the best way to neutralize it is for Ukraine to make major battlefield gains>Ukraine>make major battlefield gainsonly shills do not accept that this is patently absurd and isnt going to happen, hasnt happened, has a 0% chance of ever happening
>>546057108wypierdalaj smieciu i wylacz vpn
>>546055464I thought you were shitposting the entire time but you were just ahead of the curve.
>>546057289Zabij się, jebany pierdolnięty głupi niewolniku pooooooooolaczku.*A Tfu*
>>546052918Woah, it's almost like libtards are history revisionists or something.
>>546055392Yeah, look how effective mutt weaponry was in Iran who doesn't have half of Russia's strength. You're so proud of your shithole you're hiding behind a VPN, or do you really think anyone's glazing the States right now?Whatever the weapons Ukraine is using, the truth remains you're too fucking retarded and incompetent to hold a position of hegemony and you know it, it's why your faggot pedo president is trying to get pidor-in-chief Putin to notice him. Wash your mouth and bow your head before you talk to European men, boy.
>>546057360widze, ze ciagle chatgpt sobie slabo radzi z polskim lmao
>>546057332It doesn't take being astute to see the blatant goals set by Russia, and how the world was adjusting itself to meet them just to ensure Poland is next. Did Trump winning and then speedrunning sabotaging NATO in very specific ways at a Gmod griefer's pace not trip anybody off?
>>546057506all of this is foretoldeven before Trump, the writing was on the wall for the western worldTrump is merely a symptom, not a cause
>>546057506We gonna be eating good, the good side is returning.
>>546052901No
>>546057477Gnojku
>>546052901You fags would be a lot more respectable if you stopped pretending it was unprovoked. NATO spent a decade preparing and instigating this conflict, just own it.
All you europoors should just come over here. They just let you walk right in now, no wait, plus you get lots of free stuff.
>>546057602powiedzialem morda konska spierdolino
>>546057669This, it's actually a war of attrition by GAYTO through proxy.
>>546052649Then Russia should stop having their borders so close to NATO countries
>>546057602Vegeta
>>546057669the narrative machine is losing relevanceits pretty cool to see in real time actually
>>546052901>(((unprovoked)))>(((experts say)))Parkele I
>>546057737Twoja stara była jebana przez psy.
>>546057784that is a dope rally subie
>>546052901All of the following replies after the first one are dumb nigger monkey faggots. >>546055158 is completely right. Make them. They won, the west lost, and America voted in a man working for Russia. It doesn't matter who provoked who. Might is right, and the next war in eastern europe that will mark it as free real estate will be eastern europe's fault once it's their turn.
>>546052649so... Russia is losing a war massively, and now they are making demands?!
>>546057809Does it fly? No that's not a Tesla.
>>546052649Small innofensive countries like Poland or mine make deals about specific topics, important countries like Russia, EEUU or China make deals about the whole structure, continent or even worldWelcome to the world, Russia manage to be relevant
Ok, but all the non-NATO countries get nukes so they can fend for themselves.
>>546057227>>546057281>it's afraid
>>546057790hokus pokus czary mary twoja stara to twoj stary
>>546057834Also, NATO is currently falling apart
>>546053080poland should just have a referendumyou have illigitimate junta after coup rn anywayprivislinsky krai would be very welcomed, then we can do the same with Prussia, that luves in apartheid since the dall of berlin wall
Russia doesn't want peace. If they wanted peace they'd be more reasonable with their demands.
>>546052901>unprovokedLmao what do you think the Cuban missile crisis and Bay of Pigs incident happened then? Because Cuba was a sovereign nation that had the right to decide its defensive alliance. Following NAFOnigger logic.You don't get to border a major world power and "do whatever you feel like". Russia tried to convince Hoholstan into behaving sensible, it chose not to.
>>546057823>Might is right, and the next war in eastern europe that will mark it as free real estate will be eastern europe's fault once it's their turnyou should be thankful that ukraine is restrained from bombarding moscow and petersburg, you will not have this luxury with anyone else.
>>546057809AgreedFinns should stick to what they do best rally driving and fucking Fingolian cuties in saunasInternational politics is beyond their Asian brain matrix
>>546052649>you have to go back to 1997Ok?
>>546057917Cringe ass post and you're obviously not a dutchfag. Go back
>>546058036This comparison does not work because Russia is a weak shithole powerlet, no one will ever agree to their demands and Russia will continue to fall apart further and further down the century and there is nothing you can do about it.I guess it should have invested its money in 2000s into becoming an economic powerhouse instead of getting a cadre of oligarchs and elites who are richer than oil Sheikhs.
>>546057901Fuck "nukes" krautnigger, we're going back to the good old days of REAL WMDs....chemical weapons like anthrax SCUDS!
>>546058053>Finns should stick to what they do best rally driving and fucking Fingolian cuties in saunasa good life may I add, they should be thankful
>>546058140Man this guy sucked in vanilla
>>546055158>Make them.We are. That's what all the aid to Ukraine is. The russia is stupid enough to keep getting themselves killed.
>>546058044>restrainedThe US wouldn't want to start an actual regional war since that would actually put its NATO commitment under scrutiny; highly undesirable at a time when it's stretched thin and focused on Iran/ tonguing Jewish anuses.This war has all the hallmarks of a gay jew war: everyone pretends they're fighting over Ukraine, US prevents they're a negotiator/peacemaker when this whole war got started because of them, etc. etc.
>>546052649Officially admitted? Are you NAFOs retarded or something? That has been the Russian core demand since 2021.
>p-pls surrender!I thought russians already "won" against "the entire NATO"?
>>546058140>they just send dudes in CBRN-ponchos>their mortality-rate is basically unchangedThey need to be vaporized, not slightly inconvenienced.
>>546058173A life to envy but they shit the bed with Russia and have decided to become part of Globohomo/GAYTO, they might live to regret that. Although I don't think they were given a choice by their rulers.
>>546052901brown hands really are angry at this post
>>546052649>Russian negotiators in Abu Dhabi officially admitted that negotiations are not really about Ukraine but about rolling back NATO to its 1997 bordersDoesn't that mean it's still about Ukraine?
>>546058337indeedlets hope for the best for them
>>546052649They have been getting their asses kicked and they think they are going to get 1997 nato? Lol lmao even my counter offer is TZD
>>546058036I agree. We should have sought a diplomatic solution with Cuba rather than do what we did. It ended up worse off afterwards too just like it will for Russia with Ukraine.They're already worse off since they have an even larger border with NATO as a result of it.
>>546058036>>546058510Oh, and it's a poor comparison to begin with since Cuba wasn't a full on war, merely operations supported by the government. Little different to what Russia was doing in Donbas before the full conflict.
>>546058497Yea they will. You voted for the nigga that will ensure it lmfaogood job
That's like asking Russia to destroy its nukes.That ain't happening nigga you don't have the leverage to ask for that and nobody has the means to make it happen.That's why I know this is fake or just negotiation bluff. They're not negotiating shit, Russia wants to buy time again
>>546052901The amount of paid shills arguing against you us hilarious. Who simps for kleptocrats, lol.
>>546057999and your demands are reasonable in any way?inb4 edgy deflection
>>546052649No.
>>546052901it cuts both ways you understand that hopefully one day
>>546052649Shit they given up on 1991 borders?
>>546058118>no onethat's for the financiers to decide, not national figureheads that call themselves "leaders". The French bond crisis and EU industrial collapse isn't a random "anomaly"; it's directly tied to this war.All Russia needs to do is financial buckbreak European finances and Ukraine will fall; the US might be backing the Europeans, but China is backing Russia; and they have far deeper pockets than the Americans. The Russians won ages ago, eurocucks simply didn't realize it.
>>546058337you may find this insightful >>546058500
>>546055295Can't wait the war going from ww1 tier to 19th century line battles in 4 years
>>546058556I’d never vote for zion don and that faggot can’t make anything happen you are embarrassing zigger if you keep up the poor preference here you are going to the front
>>546052901>unprovokedlol
>>546055992Ukros shot down a heli in russia whilst trying to intercept drones. The war is so fucking stale and boring that this is a ground breaking news
>>546053227It's refreshing to see some news sources that aren't straight up Ukrainian propaganda. The way the media in the West works, you'd think that Zelensky's hordes are about to reach Vladivostok. It's nice to see some sources from the winning side for a change.
>>546056104No, this is what art brut looks like.
>>546052901How about they drop a fucking nuke on Helsinki
>>546058301true but that restraint goes out of the window if russhits get too cocky past ukraine. theres enough animosity towards russia in this part of europe that practically everybody would support turning major russian cities into what lefties are screeching about gaza and the sheer bloodlust and destruction would embarrass jews and americans with how they pussyfoot around iran. europeans just dont know how to chill when gears actually start turning.
>>546058930It would fix their country from 99% of their problem
>>546058682Yeah these are borders after USSR collapsed, if west doesn't take this deal they are out of their fucking minds. Ukraine is in a total stalemate and they're running out of men who should never have been sacrificed for politicians to begin with.
>>546058930Waste of a good nuke.
>>546059000Ukraine is not in a stalemate. They keep begging for help.
>>546058930>>546058980>>546059000see>>546058500
>>546052901FPBPFuck Ziggerland.
>>546052901Fpbp
>>546058684The west could go bankrupt like the USSR did and then it's total collapse and balkanization for the west just like USSR. EU balkanized, USA balkanized.Maybe it's already too late, just like the late stage USSR, the west has detached itself from reality and can't seem to reattach itself. We tried perestroika, but reality itself has collapsed in the west, it may not be uncollapseable.
>>546058802Then you're a kvetching libtard who lost. Opinion matters even less. Let the winners handle this one. You can sit there at the European table.
>>546058931>practically everybody would support turning major russian cities into what lefties are screeching about gazaExactly. The Poles and the minor Baltoids are bloodthirsty savages who would happily genocide their neighbors. As the most advanced civilization in Europe, Russia has the duty and responsibility to pacify and civilize them. Nobody else can do it.
>>546052901How about this: vassal states shut the fuck up. Imagine members states of the Warsaw Pact telling the USSR what to do; the equivalent of that is happening now in NATO and the United States shouldn’t tolerate it. Go back to getting drunk and sitting in the sauna while the adults talk. I don’t even care if you’re right. Just STFU, you rabid chihuahua butthurt belter.
>>546059044Ah, I suppose I'm stupid, the west always talks about russian "hybrid infowar", I didn't realise that means the west is already doing it too, I should have seen it
>>546059038The war is a stalemate but it's a money drain for the west, just like Afghanistan was a money drain for USSR
>>546059498your not stupid, i just used to hate on finns a lot then I realized they have a massive EU sponsored misinformation op running out of their country
>>546058657>shut up about USSR expansion
>>546059498>I'm stupid, the west always talks about russian "hybrid infowar", I didn't realise that means the west is already doing it tooand yes, every accusation is an admission
>>546059236That process has already started. The transnational financialized capital is slowly shifting its assets to the new centers of the world economy in Asia. Europe is only good for looting and resettling. The US will follow a decade or two later. Unlike Europe, the US have access to every strategic resource on their own territory. A good government could cause bring the nation back to power. But that's not going to happen.
>>546052901How about this: Soros stops the unprovoked meddling of its neighbours
>>546058113>quoting Starship Troopers>by our own based director>cringepleeg sudoku en het liefst zsm Ivanen stop onze vlag te misbruiken met je VPN, het is al erg genoeg dat jullie onze vlag destijds gekopieerd hebben toen Tsaar Pidor onze scheepswerfen zat te bespionieren
At this point Ukraine really is Israel.02
>>546059431>The Poles and the minor Baltoids are bloodthirsty savages who would happily genocide their neighborsi knew that germbro would understand, in the end we are the same.
>>546059595yeah every countrys propaganda and psyops are running at 1000% right now, we have to be careful what we believe from anyone and verify things, especially because of AI
>>546055158>Make themThat's why they joined NATO....
>>546052649Cause its a legit peace deal. 1997 borders puts EUs armaments troop deployements options nearly 2k miles away from russias stuff.
>>546059470You lost a war to Iran. >muh vassalSays the vassal of israel
>>546059750yes sirhave a bump, and stay blessed anon
>>546057140Mind you this is with like half a trillion dollars in equipment and cash and quite literally a US taskforce in Germany telling them troop movements using 24/7 live satellite coverage on top of whatever else they've gotten (electricity from us, the poles and the hungarians, fuel, generators, elon's internet, whatever).
>>546059660>The transnational financialized capital is slowly shifting its assets to the new centers of the world economy in Asia.Yeah I have seen this accelerating. Seems like EU will go like Yugoslavia into poverty and US will be the USSR who manages to regain some of their economy.
>>546059779bless you brother
>>546059542Then it's not a stalemate. It's a war of attrition that the west is losing. The inflation and cost of living crisis is getting worse in Europe, the governments cannot afford the war and their social welfare states at the same time. Guess what happens when highly unpopular and illegitimate autocratic regimes like in London, Paris, Berlin start cutting their social security spending. The riots in France are only the beginning.
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>>546059769>my country is a vassal state of a weak vassal state to JewsWeird flex but ok.
>>546059968Wasn't dear ol' Friedrich Merz threatening to quite literally fuck over the EU budget if countries don't give another ~70 billion $ or so to Ukraine soon?
>>546059968Yep. I think the term is quagmire, giggity
>>546057131Our "independence" ahh yes we are independent for sure!
>>546060035You wanted to leave NATO. So why haven't you? Because even the loudest NATO critic in US politics, Trump, knows that US needs NATO more than NATO needs US
>>546055263Nigga do you think Finns of all people don't hate Russia? A lot of projection you have, HIVan.
>>546060000Brazil stay true to yourselves o7
>>546060184What are you talking about? NATO is essentially US + Turkey, maybe Poland is the 3rd biggest but now they almost had a coup a week or so ago. This is just delusional. The rest of NATO is irrelevant.
>>546060368What happened to US when it tried to fight a war on their? They lost to Iran
>>546060231I don't because I'm not sub 100iq finno mongol the perfect goyim for the trenches. I have zero actual reasons to hate russia, but a dozens of reasons to hate my own government and eu
>>546058931I doubt it, Putin as a last ditch attempt to clear out Azovniggers and Ukrainian resistance might start destroying water filtration plants and other infrastructures to push Ukrainians to mass migrate into the EU; turning all of Western Ukraine as a buffer no-mans-land.I don't think the Russians are interested in pushing into Lviv or other Ukrainian nationalist strongholds. Getting too close to the Polish border makes false flagging and conflict escalation too easy.
>>546059849>>546059968>can't take a corrupt impoverished shithole in 4 years>uhm actually this is a russian victory!>b-because ukraine got some helmets from germany o algo
>>546058931How will you turn Russian cities into Gaza lmao, with what?
>>546060583>I doubt it, Putin as a last ditch attempt to clear out Azovniggers and Ukrainian resistance might start destroying water filtration plants and other infrastructures to push Ukrainians to mass migrate into the EU; turning all of Western Ukraine as a buffer no-mans-land.Seems a bit unwise given that the Ukrainians can also reach out and destroy the russia's water filtration plants and other infrastructure if the russia decides to escalate in that manner.
>>546060607Germany has sent Leopard 2s which lost tank duels to T-72s kek.
>>546060607>Is slowly pushing the lines forward in the most live-streamed, equal force conflict (due to a gorillion in gibs) / proxy war ever, without resorting to drafting"Uhm, honey you're not winning fast enough.."
>>546060151We're not? Damn...
>>546060461God bless you
>>546060778I thought it was supposed to be over in days? Why's it taking years?
>demanding we dismantle the bear proof fence as a prerequisite for the bear promising not to maul uslol, lmao, each time i begin to think the aid packages are getting a bit too expensive...yeah never mind, it's like they actively want us to clear out our old military stockpiles, and who am i to say no. God bless Lockheed Martin.
>>546052649>(((NATO)))GOOOO RUSSIA!
>>546060703producing weapons for bombarding a city is not some arcane knowledge bro
>>546052649umm... can someone tell pypa he's being beaten up by Ukraine? Not NATO? We are not a part of this conflict. Is he going to demand something from China too at the same time? Give gramps some meds, he's getting delusional
>>546052918It's not a serious demand, which means these negotiations are a waste of time. Again.
>I'm a pirate!
>>546056123That’s the thing. The US doesnt protect shit except israel’s interests.
>Stop expanding NATO or we'll give you a reason to expand it even moreYawn.
>>546055158>Make them.>okay, we're supporting Ukraine because enough is enough>FUCKING NAZI WESTERNERS WE WOULD HAVE WON BY NOW YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY TANKS WE MADE IN WW2 DO YOU
>>546052901kek this post really activated the ziggershills
>>546052649>Russia demandsOn what grounds
>>546061190i made a prediction about 2 years ago that Poland would be the first country to invade Russia because of their bullshit. retarded or realistic?
>>546055676what do you mean?
>>546052901How about stop fucking with Russia and bring surprised when it retaliates? The Maidan/coup and the chaos that happened afterwards in east Ukraine didn't happen naturally. The stage was fully set for the war to happen in 2016 and it would have if Hillary won, but the retards fucked up in underestimating the support trump had, and at the time he wasn't part of those plans.
>>546052918But Putin said every country has the right to join any alliance, did he lie???
>>546058595>anyone who disagrees with my faggot retard propaganda line gets paid to do soI wish, Rankshit.
>>546061349It is, you're not gonna be able to use dumb bombs over their cities, artillery has 20-40km range, missiles do not pack enough explosives to level a city and there's few of them depending on the version plus they can be taken down relatively easily, drones pack even less explosives and are even more vulnerable, no offense here and completely unironically, non-shitpost wise and in the military sense, your army has finite amount of ways to scratch something in their cities, let alone level them Gaza-style.
>>546061753How about Moscow gets nuked and russia balkanized? How about that?
>>546060184>US needs NATO more than NATO needs USLet me guess, you think NATO is the only thing stopping Russia from conquering the US?
>>546061674hard to imagine that happening. only realistic scenario is if they hit the baltics first and we gotta push through kaliningrad to link up.
>>546061916I'll give you Kaliningrad, you can turn that into Gaza I guess.No army in the world can do what you say unless they're fighting someone without any proper weapons to speak of or the city is on contact line.
>>546061926you are an insane warmonger advocating for nuclear holocaust, you are the bad guys undoubtedly
>>546052649If the u.s. can kick out europe from south america(spain n portugal n england n russia) due to it being in their "sphere of influence" or "in their backyard", then i see no reason why russia can't also have their own so-called sphere of influence..
>>546055351Bruhhh... the "rare earths" is all under the ground in china. There is nothing the u.s. can do about that short of literally invading china and full on kamakaze conquering every inch of it imperial russia style...
>>546062974It is the only a realistic response to russian actions so far.
all the >unprovoked xD retards ITT can’t actually explain how NATO “provoked” Putin to invade Ukraine, they think it’s a foregone conclusion because their favourite talking heads have repeated it so much. Biolabs probably have something to do with it
>>546053080Seriously dude.Its been 5 years .
>>546063309One could say the same about NATO.
>>546063589And i still didn't hear no bell.
>>546063686NATO has not ever done anything wrong. You are brown and muslim if you think otherwise.
>>546061957A substantial portion of America's both soft and hard power is tied to NATO
>>546055158Anything else Boris?
>>546052901>we were only shelling civilians, it's not like we provoked them>can't a man just shell civilians in peace without being attacked for no reasonAmazing kek
>>546063168>russia dindu nuffin
>>546063860>russia dindu nuffin!It's always serbia flags, kek
Putin is so fucking based.Memeflag because it's illegal in my country to support Russia.
>>546052649>officially admittedthey've been saying this from the start. what I don't get is why they assume they can get half of europe when they can't even take half of ukraine.
>>546063860Should NATO intervened when Russia bombed civilians in chechnya then?
>>546061957Wars are impossible to win these days, that’s why America can’t win against Iran and Russia can’t win against Ukraine. If you genuinely think the steadily decreasing number of US soldiers in Europe are what’s stopping Putin from steamrolling them you are legitimately a mouthbreather
>>546061916broski, usa, iran and even ukraine already proved that missile defense is a meme. there is no way to defend yourself if your adversary decides to fuck your shit up because defense systems are unsustainably more expensive than just bombing shit.
>>546055158>you must fulfil their demands.they can come and make us. I am sure they will, in the case of the baltics, but good luck with finland or poland you're never getting them back
>>546063988>>546063992Which of these statements is false? Which is true? They can't both be true, they are contradictory.
>>546063860>Russia’s LPR and DPR proxies weren’t also shelling civilians and shooting down airliners
>>546064143theres no contradiction, there are no winners in modern war. the scenario i was talking about is basically mutual destruction and its the ultimate deterrent.
why does russia think it has the right to eastern europe ? they tried to pretend ukraine never existed and that's why they invaded, but they seriously think russia has a right to extend next to germany ? what about asia, do they try to tell China what they can and can't do there ?
>>546052649>Moscow TimesAh yes, reliable source known for leaving their news with escort numbers ads on airport lobbies and hotels.
>>546063936Most of what's said on /pol/ is illegal in most European countries.I don't think 4chan admins (that hiroshima guy, if I remember right) would comply with a court order from here though.
Holy bot exposure thread batman
>>546064390Russia has traditionally survived through constant expansion (that’s why it’s so massive). It’s deeply ingrained in the Russian mindset that they must absorb more people into “Ruskiy mir” (Russian world)
>>546052901No I want them to depopulate Finland first
>>546063983Sure, why not?
>>546052901Retard
>>546064143Bombing shit =/= winning wars
>>546052649>Russian negotiators in Abu Dhabi officially admitted that negotiations are not really about Ukraine but about rolling back NATO to its 1997 borders and building completely new security architecture in Europe.based and absolutely a good thing for the world
>>546052901KYS tranny mongrel mongol kike
>>546064638/pol/ russians don't seem very patriotic at all, thoughthey come across to me as jaded people who just want things to not get worse, and dont care about russia's conquests at all
>>546052649baltic trannies.. we got too cocky
>>546064951that doesn’t reflect chugposters. regardless you need a vpn to visit 4chan from based Russia
>>546052649Are you telling me that Russians are doing exactly what they have always claimed instead of what jew propaganda says!!!!!????
>>546052901>all the zigger angry repliesnupol never disappoints
>Be me>Just trying to step outside for a smoke>That guy is there again. Always there. Every. Single. Time.>Guy looks like he hasn't washed his track jacket since the 90s>"Got a cigarette?">*Sigh* Fine, whatever, give him one. Easier than saying no.>Thought he'd just take it and leave like a normal person? Lol, no.>Takes a drag, looks at me like I just handed him Alaska back>"You know, Russia is greatest country. Always has been.">Oh no here we go>Starts ranting about "historical borders" and "shared culture">Bro, it's a cigarette, not the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk>"Ukraine? Belongs to Russia. Always has. You know this, da?">Tries to convince me Ukraine is like the extra fries at the bottom of the bag, like it's technically mine but somehow he deserves them>I just wanted 5 minutes of peace>Keeps going: "You give me cigarette because you know deep down, it's mine. It was always mine.">He finishes the cig, eyes my pack like a predator locking onto prey>"You got another?">What do you even say to that? Just hand him another and pray he leaves>He pockets it like it's Crimea and smirks. "You understand. You see the bigger picture.">Shuffles away into the parking lot
>>546059270You should update your script Sasha you lost migger zigger
>>546064895That would be russia, vatnigger
>>546065533kek
>>546052918You are in no position to make any demands. We can glass Moscow tomorrow if we want. Your entire country is mud huts and 2 cities.
>>546052901FPBP
>>546055158Okay Turkish Rape Baby We Will Ukraine has already terminated 1.6 million Ziggerfaggotincels & another 450,000 of those are CONFIRMED DEAD XD
>>546056208Do it faggots, you spread for niggers
>>546052901based
>>546052901> unprovoked
>>546052901What is it with pro-russian retards thinking they allowed to invade their neighbors? Are they mentally ill? Why would you want a country as incompetent, poor, and aids infested as Russia controlling any territory when they've collapsed twice in the last century and turned everyone near them into poor irrelevant shitholes with declining birthrates?Do people think that if their given a third chance with their poverty sphere, its going to change things? When we can see now that ukraine's population is half of what it once was with 2 million casualties on both sides and even MORE declining birthrates? Idk what is with this mental illness when history has shown russia is too retarded to lead anyone down to anything but a void of poverty and despair. They're no different from nigger and pitbull apologists.
>>546067890Might is right. Simple as.
>>546052901>unprovoked
>>546065288>angry
>>546067890>Why would you want a country as incompetent, poor, and aids infested as Russia controlling any territoryYour permission is not required.
>>546052901Damn ziggers really didn't like this one
>>546067890>russia was the aggressor1-800-come-on-now
>>546052901Nah that would make too much sense. Better do what the Russian bots say
>>546058252You actually believe this. You are definitely a jeet living in Canada that's scared Russia will destabilize your white genocide society or you're a brainwashed white that thinks he's patriotic because kikes let him if he hates Russia.
>>546052649Pulling out of the Baltics & Finland is feasible but anything more isn't.As seen with the Macedonian Wars (200 to 146 BC), one of 2 things usually happens:Either these central European countries fight amongst themselves e.g. Hungary vs. Poland, thus upsetting the Balance of Power, or they seek the refuge of an outside/distant great power.
>>546056123Interesting how Russia never dares to even look at a NATO country wrong and only invades nations outside the alliance but yeah no need for eh, ranjesh?
>>546052901Shills really hated this post kekekek
>>546068038Maybe Putin should have heeded that overused saying and stuck to propaganda vids in Syria
>>546068038>Might is right
>>546068038>>546068199And this behavior is why you lost the cold war trying to claw back 5% of your lost territory as all your high iq human capital end up in the west while you decline further into being an irrelevant shithole under perpetual control by billionaire oligarchs distracting you with retarded brother wars.
>>546069132Don't care, your empire is over, and Europe is still buying Russian oil lol
>>546052649Why do Russians care about NATO this much? They just defeated all of NATO in Ukraine, without using their real army or nukes. What are they afraid of?
>>546052901Melties in the replies lol>put me in the screencap
>>546069217Nigger, your worst enemy isn't the west or america, its yourself. Luckily, Russia has the tendency to AACCKK itself on the world stage.Like that time you sold us Alaska for 5 mil.
>>546069247>Why do Russians care about NATO this much? They just defeated all of NATO in ukraine, without using their real army or nukes. What are they afraid of?at this point the nato threat has been completely eliminated by europes foolish shit-eating stupid failure of a war that ended with them demilitarizing themself to no effect, the last remaining 'root cause' will be addressed to prevent any FUTURE nato aggression or resurgence by pushing nato back to the 1997 borders where it belongsbut, as far as any physical threat goes, nato poses virtually NONE now outside the obvious >"the US will use your soil to park provacative weapons and radars on it"threat that always persisted, but will close when the US moves out, as it is obviously doing virtually everywhere (middle-east, europe)it looks like the chips are starting to fall in asia too with the whole nvidia scandal...the taiwan end-game is beginning
>>546069723Hoping that your enemy dies of old age isn't exactly a winning geopolitical strategy, homie. Especially if you can't stop them yourself.
>>546067890>turned everyone near them into poor irrelevant shitholes with declining birthrates?What? They had high birthrates under USSR, adopted freedom&democracy which resulted in high emigration and low TFR.
>>546070074>but, as far as any physical threat goes, nato poses virtually NONE now outside the obviousThat’s the thing, right? NATO is completely defanged, and US will not will not field any more weapons in Europe because they don’t care about it - there is only one true ally of America and it’s not in Europe. Why does Russia still feel threatened by it? They literally have Oreshnik - they can destroy any US asset in Europe before anyone even realizes what’s happening.
>>546055158>demands>their position Lmao
>>546070360>That’s the thing, right? NATO is completely defanged, and US will not will not field any more weapons in Europe because they don’t care about it >Why does Russia still feel threatened by it?Russia is simply hedging against any perfidious desperate behavior out of europeans, who clearly see the writing on the wall noweurope is about to face decades and decades of geopolitical irrelevance they have no industryno militaryno resourcesshattered economiesdomestic social chaos nearly across the aboardtruly europe is in a major major major bad wayand them gambling their future on defeating Russia, balkanizing it and stealing their resources an industry for themself was truly absurd, and insane in ways that will take history a long time to unravel how europeans so arrogantly got to that point
>>546070923>muh impending euro threatwow it's like having RT reporters post on 4chan. who knew.
>>546052649This was known in late 2021. How new are you?
>>546070098>letting america have alaska for 1000x return on investment>russia killing their own nationalists and implementing gommunism>ussr collapsing making families force their own children into prostitution>nato forcing russia into a protracted war to inflict 20 afghanistans worth of casualties and destroying 100 years worth of soviet stock armaments>killing the high iq and letting them flee for 100 years to todayIts already dead. This is like giving rope to a bloated corpse that already hanged itself.
