Napoléon Bonaparte was the best military general to have ever lived, prove me wrong
>>546062752my ancestor, Bernadotte, was better
He failed./thread
noone gives a flying fuck about Napoleon
>>546062752washington.
>>546062806>Won 5 time against Europe>Lost only 2 timeThat's not what i call failing
>>546062868losing = failingWe are not discussing rocket science here, dude.
>>546062752He was great as First Consul. He was lousy at best as Emperor. Russia is undeniably stupid, but Spain was somehow even more stupid. He doesn't even really have an excuse, he just got cocky. Man could've ruled a decade more without his hubris.
He lost just like Lee, Rommel, Mark Antony, and all the other cope generals
>>546062820Still butthurt?
>>546062752>inflated score by beating up on Austria and Prussia a few times. Lost vs actual competent armies.France's best is still greatly overrated.
>>546062752i think genghis and alexander would've easily mogged him, like we did.
>>546062752
>>546062752Lost waterloo, the battle of the nations, the peninsular war, cape trafalgar, doo.es the french expedition to egypt and left them with a promise to come back for them, lost 200k retards in russiaAlexander the Great never los 1 (one) battle and he painted a larger mapNapoleon is 2nd best
>>546063038cope what?we beat Napoleonyou know who von Bluecher is?
>>546063159Wwllington did the heavy lifting, Blucher is like the amerimutts flanking qaltzing in after the soviet union swallowed all the punching powerKutuzov was the real nigga of the era
>>546063156>Lost waterlooMostly because of Marshal Grouchy>the battle of the nationsHe was heavily outnumbered>the peninsular warNapoléon didn't led this campaign>trafalgarNapoléon wasn't a navy General>Alexander the Great never los 1 (one) battle and he painted a larger mapAlexander didn't had to fight against multiple elite nations at once
>>546063058>Lost vs actual competent armies.Well, these so called competent armies literally copied him and avoided fighting him in order to win
>>546063441Grouchy followed orders to a T.Ney fucked up quatres brasAlexander fought the superpower of the era
>>546063159>we beat NapoleonWith the help of the British and after losing in 1806, also after being occupied for several years, also after copying the Grande armée
>>546062752Failed not once not twice but three times to invade Portugal.Yeah i think im gonna stick with my Roman Generals or Hanibal at least they knew how to invade a Peninsula.
>>546062752the best military leader doesn't conquer all of Europe and loses it in 10 years.the best military leader wins an important region and makes sure it's a core part of the nation for the next hundreds of years.
Sorry bro, but even the great Napoleon admired him.
>>546063671The only thing Napoleon accomplished is liverating latam, the peninsular war killed 10% of spaniards, mostly fighting age men so like 2/5 of those (same in francwe)
>>546063263von Bluecher made the decisive blowI really dont give a fuck about Napoleonhe only brought misery and liberated jewshe was the beginning of uniting Gemany thoughthats the only good thing he did
>>546063912>he was the beginning of uniting Gemany though>thats the only good thing he didFinally, a whole year later you finally admit it
>>546063912>>546064040That's the worst thing he did. History shows every time Germany unites, it just creates misery for the world. It was meant to be a bunch of squabbling states all killing each other over autistic bullshit like how to worship jews the proper way.
>>546063912you are missing the key kekfuel:the "napoleon is the best general ever" shilling had already started while he was still alive and some retards continue it to this day, like this thread. this hubris was actually one of the main reasons for his downfall, a perfect irony.if you think about it for a second its extremely obvious: someone who is underestimated (early napoleon) can achieve tremendous victories, a man who is overestimated (late napoleon, hitler after france) will very quickly get raped
>>546064158Napoleon was not underestimated. He lost his cavalry in Russia, but even then he gave Europe a run for its money. The Trachenberg Plan was literally to avoid Napoleon as much as possible. He was beating armies twice his size all the way to the end in 1814. Why are Germans so fucking stupid? This is why you idiots don't deserve to run anything larger than a car factory.
>>546062799Bernadotte was great no doubt but overly cautious. His political ascension was unheard of and much more impressive imo
>>546064158He was 2nd best austerlitz was great you personal charge with the companion cav towards thw king of kings doesnt work in a battlefield of a quarter of a million men, even murats charge did nothing to the 3 emperors
>>546062752What about his boner parts?
>>546062799Not the amerimutt 1/69 th lizard ancestry tall tales
>>546064123well, lookyboth you and France are dying nigger shitholes the only problem was that we didnt unite earlier
>mogs so hard even Caesar could only cry like a little boy>still unsurpassed>ONLY died to a pajeet bacterial infection which would probably be antibiotic resistant even in 2026, nevermind in 323 BC>still managed to BTFO jeets>would have 100% gone on to China after Indiait's just not even a comparison, any man to set foot in a battlefield does so in the shadow of Alexander, it's just not remotely close between him and any hypothetical #2
>>546062752>Napoléon Bonaparte was the best military general to have ever lived, prove me wrongBoo.
>>546062865>washingtonshit general and a traitor
>>546062752Gustavus Adolphus fanboy.
>>546064357>Napoleon was not underestimated.you missed the entire point. i am not even going the rest of your brain diarrhea. "early napoleon" was not in russia. learn to read
>>546064627>mi ancestroThis is a whole new level of Mexican intellectual. I'll give you 1 guess why he didn't go into China, genius.
>>546064760Because of the mutiny at opis o algo
>>546064123>That's the worst thing he did. History shows every time Germany unites, it just creates misery for the world.You're partially right, but modern Germany is much more measured and thoughtful about this than Germany was in the past, seems like they learnt from their past errors
>>546063081them with Napoleon's weaponry or Napoleon with their weaponry?
>>546062752>Napoleone di BuonaparteWell it certainly wasn't any french fuck.
>>546062752The Browns should hire him.
>>546064760Nigga literally built a bridge to tyre and marched through the persian dessert just for fun he could have crossed burma
>>546064627kekGood post desu
>>546064665OH NO NO NOFrench Sisters how do we respond?Napolean this nigga shook
>>546063671Your gov fled to Brazil btw you should update your flag to ordem e progresso instead of that secret society insignia pretending to be a flag
>>546064827youre a shitskin, just like any modern french is
I'm a Scipio main
>>546064627>100% would have gone onto China During Alexanders conquests, China was smack bang at the height of the warring states period. He would have gotten assraped by multiple 100k+ man armies led by real smart cunts. Warring states China was insane, he wouldn’t have stood a chance. Not that he could have even made it to China anyway, disease and suffocating heat in SEA to the south or to the north across the Taklamakan desert and die of thirst.
>>546062752yes, also he was Italian from Corsica and his real name was Buonaparte
>>546064830everybody with the same weaponry.
>>546062752Alexander, Hannibal, caesar, stilcho, heraclius, etc. Nap was good though.
>>546065432kektrue
>>546065144Why are you always so upset, take a chill pill Hans
>>546065483>Sticks only, ladakh border, take turns commanding jeets and chinks best 2 out of 3 no reNigga war is decided before battle, if one general sucked up to la montagne in his battle exploits or made his gay lover murder his dad to seize the throne to be able to direct war capacity it is part of being the best general who wins its not vidya
>>546063441Alexander did the equivalent of invading Russia though, although successfully.
Napoleon was top three, but Scipio Africanus was the best general in recorded history and it isn't close.
>>546065237Excellent choiceUndefeated, beat another inarguable Top 10 general in HannibalArguably twice, since he was advisor to his brother Lucius when Hannibal was advisor to Antiochus.
>>546062752intelligence of opponents/just pure warfare= napoleon easypure leadership = Genghis followed by alexander
>>546065810A lot of his conquest was due to Xenophon, but that his leadership or strategy wasn't all time amazing.
>>546065906ThisWatch the Hannibal fags seethe in response now
>>546064760His troops mutinied. Geography is a cope, Alexander consistently defeated geography.
>>546066057No one defeats geography, retard. Keep quiet about war, you're not even beating vegan jeets.
>>546065974The process of losing and raising dozens of legions like you are zhukov marching soviet infantry through a minefiled like its not there raises questions about the competence of all leaders involvedJust swamp your enemies bro double down quadruple down.Hannibal nor Alexander had that luxury
>>546066355Don't know what you're on about. Hannibal outnumbered Scipio when they met.He also had more elephants than he'd ever had previously. But as the military adage about history goes "He who has the most elephants, loses."
>>546066039kek
>>546066532Yes, he was their Masonic golem.Just as Bolivar was in South America.
>>546066526Hannibal lost an eye in a swamp maybe got brain parasites, got exhausted by a decade of fabian scorched earth and made an emergency crossing to defend his home leaving who knows how many veterans in italy and having to lead militia against numidians? Who had served on his army? Who made the decisive blow and envelopment?Numidians won, romans just formed a checkered wall of reconstituted legions and let elephants through
>>546067069Hannibal's third line was Italian veterans. He put them there to bolster the resolve of the front two lines, hoping the Romans would tire before meeting his fresh veterans. Yes the Numidians struck the killing blow - by design. Scipio's skill as a diplomat, sending Massinissa's nephew back to him completely unharmed and laden with gifts persuaded Massinissa he was on the wrong team. Diplomatically, as well as strategically and tactically, Scipio was better than Hannibal. And he did it with without his Spanish veterans, instead he took shamed and defeated legions from earlier in the war and whipped them into shape, drilling them in the tactics he'd honed in Spain. The Senate didn't even want him to invade Africa. Also, let us not forget, Hannibal was a fucking kike who sacrificed a kid to Moloch when he vowed to defeat Rome. Good riddance.
>>546067315I ll conced the diplomafic part bht strategy was mass mobilize more retards and drill them, tactically? Where is his cannae, trasimane? Just a simple enveloping flank by ex friends? Traitors? Berbers?
>>546062752dumb nigger.
>>546066151how did the mongols reach Europe then?
>>546067497Where's Hannibal's Nova Carthago?Two can play that game. Took a city defended on three sides by water in a single day. That shit puts even Alexander to shame. "Ha, look at that fucking Greek retard building a fucking mole!"Fact is, every battle of Scipio shows a new stratagem. Making his enemy march out for battle every day for four days before switching his battle order and forcing battle and making the enemy have to stand and watch as his army was butchered. A double envelopment against an enemy ON A FUCKING HILL.Scipio was a fucking genius and Hannibal lost. Get over it, Hannibal-fag.
>>546062752that is true. but his greatness was in no way limited to the battlefield. he was a true genius in the fullest possible sense.
>>546067594Another highly underrated commander.Shame he never got to face off against Napoleon like he wanted. The account of him meeting one of Napoleon's Marshals in a Kiev restaurant is hilarious.
>>546062752>prove me wrongHe lostTwice
>>546062799>The guy who Napoleon used to command is actually than Napoleon himselfI still don't understand how he ended up being king of Sweden.
>>546067805>Just outnumber the merc garrison 20 to 1 broCool coordination, drill and promises of rewards thoughAlexander took the island of tyre without a navy how is novo carthago better?
>>546065380China has never done well against foreign countries. They've only ever excelled at slaughtering other Chinese.
>>546062752Honestly?Yeah. You got the win frog bros.Napoleon Bonaparte was an absolute once in an eon genius of the warfare of his day.I wonder what he'd have to say about drone warfare tho.I dont think even Napoleon could masterclass his way out of this shit.
>>546062752Suvorov was probably his equal. That era produced some truly exceptional generals.
>>546068634Hahahaha, sheer fucking cope. With that position, and it only had to hold out for three days, it should never have fallen. And yet it did. By sheer tactical brilliance. Novo Carthago is better because it was done with ***Intelligence***. He spent three months spying on the place. Learned that at low tide the lagoon which was impassable was only neck deep. And then when the wind blew from the north, it lowered to knee deep. And so he drew all forces from the area he assaulted with an attack on the gates and the sea wall, waited for the wind to change and walked across the fucking water with 600 of his best men. Scaled the walls and took the fucking city. None of this bullshit building a fucking mole. None of this bullshit with siege artillery.He used fucking brains. Hannibal has FUCK ALL to match this in his repertoire and this was the FIRST THING Scipio ever did as a military commander.Pure thinking outside the box. And then, to make it even more genius, he gave credit to Neptune so his men would think he was favoured by the gods.Because Scipio understood MORALE too and knew men divinely inspired are better fighters.We know he consciously did this because he explained it all in a letter to King Philip of Macedon, basically as a "fuck you sunshine, should you dare to get involved this is the kind of commander you're up against", when Philip was being courted by Carthage to open a second front.And do you know who conquered the fucking Greeks? Scipio's lieutenants using Scipio's tactics. Yes, Macedon's vaunted phalanx was utterly dismantled by Scipio's manipular cohort system. Twice. Scipio not only built the Roman army, he gifted it to Rome so Rome conquered the med with it. But Hannibal fags are so butthurt their guy lost they make all the same shitty arguments you're making to cover for it.
>>546067805Scipio was always behind, finding ways to counter hannibal strategies.Not saying neither of them were the best, just stating he was always behind.Hannibal's mistake was hoping rome would concede stopping being imperialist. Tenfold? Ngmi.He should have gone back to Carthage after cannae, crossing back the alps.Still, a hero for me, giving rome her same medicine, fighting imperialism.Lots of shit onto him by the winner, but his glory resonates for eternity. True hero.
>>546071010Oh he's a great commander.But he was a fucking kike fighting for a "mercantile empire" using goyim footsoldiers. I am surprised /pol/, of all places, has never picked up on this.
>>546064760He would have gone around SEA. The long way around to the Eastern Sea, as was prophesized. The world that could have been...
>>546066151He *DID* beat the geography though?
>>546071138Britain learned from carthage more than europe from hannibal. I dont understand your rage, but you do you.
>>546070621Man learning by arguing with spergs is great you learn so many details this is what skcratic dialogue is aboutTbf tides in tyre while being harasse by enemy naval supremacy meant it was impossible to march across without building a bridge
Montgomery takes this title hands down. All of the other generals mentioned itt are favoured by historians, but you wouldn't want to serve under them personally. Imo Montgomery is the only general you could serve under and know you have a decent chance of survival.
>>546071138Hitler should have done to calais what alexander did to tyre , make the frogs and dutch work
napoleon was übër based
more based napoleon
>>546071369I doubt it.The Roman Empire lasted a thousand years. Ours a couple hundred.
>>546071688Yeah, more cope.Scipio BUILT a fucking navy.Alexander the Pretty Good didn't. Cope.
>>546072005You didnt annihilate your competitors.Thank you.
>>546071977Didn't this midget get utterly cucked in the end of all things?
>>546062752Suvarov mogs Napoleon.
>>546072090>Scipio built a navyCopied*Behind, and with tenfold more money?Let me read the entrails of this raven:Google gemini > ChatgptOn the internet, the original always leaded. Remember google plus? Well, not any more. Scale is a thing. Can be surpassed by a constant flow of creativity? Maybe, but who has it?
I often wonder why he didn't just secure his advances in Russia, rest for the winter and even make moves in the south and secure land for Austria and thus the alliance.He even considered it. I feel as if he was obsessed with the grandiose battles and the coup de grace. He was an exceptional tactician, but he ultimately failed to adapt to the Russians who saw straight through him. They baited him in, knowing full well he'd chase them for the decisive battle.
>>546072423I bet he didnt even imagine the russians would burn moskow.Trapped in the middle of nowhere, with nothing, by winter.Again,>Creativity.exe
>>546072423What's hilarious is that current Russian military doctrine is derived from Alexander Suvarov. 18th century tactics. The results show.
>>546072403What are you even talking about?You're just posting gibberish.Scipio was given Sicily as a theatre. He was given demoralised legions. The Senate wanted to thwart him going to Africa to invade it, because he had already been hailed as "imperator" by his Spanish troops - the first Roman ever to be thus hailed (and he is the model every Roman after him copied - Sulla, Caesar etc). So they thought they'd give him a shitty little posting to Sicily and someone could deal with Hannibal in Italy.Scipio, however, had other ideas. He trained the demoralised legions to good standard. He let the Sicilian nobles avoid levy IF they trained a Roman cavalryman, which gave Rome it's first and probably last decent cavalry arm in it's history.And because the Senate wouldn't give him an invasion fleet, he had one built at his own expense. And then he invaded Africa.Hannibal fags always bitch about how Carthage never helped Hannibal but Hannibal had the entirety of his Spanish holdings for silver and mercenaries UNTIL SCIPIO TOOK IT OFF HIM.Meanwhile the Senate actively tried to hinder Scipio and he achieved what he did in defiance of the Senate. >"But muh this excuse and that excuse"Hannibal fucking LOST. Get over it faggots. He didn't do the ONE THING he set out to do. Despite some impressive victories.
>>546072677I feel as if it wasn't that surprising by that point. They'd done the same all the way to moscow and Napoleon thought they wouldn't do the same when he got there?
>>546072792Welp, he lost.I guess the best general/s is/are those who never lost, then. Your metric.You name him/her/it/them and /thread.Ty.
