massive protest against landlordism in spainhttps://x.com/DiegoRBCA/status/2120612049583575151some facts:>the protest is truly massive. something is probably going to change here. professional politicians are also adopting their discourse due to their polls: most parties now care about access to housing>half of all tenants are immigrants, meaning, they are the reason demand is high and prices are rising. yet they are not present in the process nor are they striking. they are massive scabs and they're all submissive. their response to high rent prices is to cram more of themselves for each home.>more immigrants keep coming. for some reason, they see their miserable living conditions as a "tough start" and think it will get better. i dont understand this. there's no "tough start", this is how things are here. it wont get better. if you could get a better job by having been in spain for a while, you could just lie on your resume and get it now. but you can't.>the current social democrat government is congratulating itself for the high attendance in the strike and demonstrations, as they are left wing, despite being literally responsible for the affordability crisis and the housing crisis>all this while it was raining very hard by our standards (it never rains in spain so people dont usually leave their home if it does)>people who support this protest, while i support their cause and i like them for bringing attention to housing problems, are fervently against the free market or home construction by businesses. meaning that, although they dont notice this, logically, they should be against population increases in spain and therefore against immigration. because a high price reflects scarcity. if something is 900€ and you limit the price to 600€, there WILL be a shortage and waitlists if production isnt expanded.https://x.com/DiegoRBCA/status/2120612049583575151
>>546073705>LANDLORDISM IS BADAs somebody who is renting now fuck you. I don't want to own a house. Not ready to put down roots. My landlord is responsive and fair.
>>546073836idiot
>>546073868>NOOO YOU HAVE TO BUY A HOUSE CHUD!!!!!! EVEN IF YOU ARE ONLY LIVING IN A CITY FOR 9 MONTHS!!!!!!
>>546073912Spaintards literally vote to punish land lords making them pay more taxes then they get mad at thier rent going up.
>>546073705Airbnb brought Spain to its knees.
Spain really is speed running anti-Semitism (Based)
Nothing will come of this except more retarded price control policy like rent control
>>546073705>landlordism
>REFUGEES WELCOME>TOURISTS GO HOME
>>546073912short-term accomodation doesn't require "landlords" (real estate parasites) – housing profiteering doesn't benefit society, but of course you're a landlord, and you know that.
>>546073953You're so stupid. However much tax a landlord pays has no direct effect on the price. And since in this case the market is highly regulated and supply can't expand to balance it, it literally has no effect. Logically, rent would cost the same if landlords paid 90% tax.I can elaborate if you don't understand. But based on experience, I think you don't understand but also don't want to understand, as you will think I'm just not making sense and lying. The average person, both conservative and leftist, is so fucking stupid kek.>>546073958airBnB, immigrants, landlordism, corruption from government officials ... spain is just a dump>>546073987based>>546074008rent control would be based
>>546074103based>>546074097what can i say most people are retarded. but i have some respect for them. they are doing something. i call myself smarter than them but all i did today was goon and play vidya. they don't have to be good at reasoning to accomplish more.if they get rent price control at least, that would screw up anyone looking to rent an apartment, but would be good for everyone renting, me included.
>>546074335>However much tax a landlord pays has no direct effect on the priceTaxes and regulations directly effect prices.
>>546074477No.Supply and demand affect prices. Taxes and regulations affect ether supply or demand.A 90% tax on landlordism would affect supply in this case. Negatively, of course. But supply is already fucked because no businesses can build homes due to permits, licenses, environmental regulations, etc. So it would have no effect, as said tax would not destroy homes, would not remove the fact that it would still be worth it for landlords to rent for the remaining 10%, it would only affect the profitability of future construction, which is fucked anyway.THINK. It would literally have no effect on the price, if you think about it logically. Not like this hypothetical scenario matters anyway, but I want people to fucking think about how prices and the market work.Btw the government also can't build any social housing because they're out of money as they're pretty much spending all of our taxes on boomer social security. They also don't want to, in fact, they actively demolish homes people build in their own land so that they have to rent.I hope I'm wrong but based on experience, you will not be able to process any of what I'm saying and will just say I'm weird or something.
>>546073705NOOOO... WE NEED TO STOP THIS ANTISEMITISM
>>546073705>in spainnobody cares about what subhumans are doing in subhuman spic land
>>546074728based>>546074770landlordism is a global problem though everywhere except in north korea unironically
>>546073868jew-ish response.
>>546075437silence landlord
>>546075507wow I wish. lmao.you're really doing the "everyone I don't like is a landlord" meme?
more picsthis happened in most spanish cities btw. i think something will definitely change after thisideally, a functioning free market aka more homesprobably, some form of price controlalso probably, some headlines about minor "wins" and nothing real
>>546075538>you're really doing the "everyone I don't like is a landlord" meme?Yes
>>546074694They effect prices.If it costs more to do the thing. The product is going to have to cost more.If you have to give more to the government, the product is going to havento cost more or become more Chinesium.
So what are your politicians going to do - give everyone free housing?
>>546075810No. Costs can affect supply, and that affects prices.Let me explain.The most simplistic interpretation of this, which even the average person would deduce, is:>10% is still better than nothing>therefore, a 90% tax on landlordism would not reduce the amount of available homes>but muh repairs>it could even be a 90% on remaining profit after repairs, no excuses thenThis makes sense, however, you may say, there's more nuance to it:>it costs money to make homes>whether making a home is profitable depends on its price>landlords buy to rent so drive up demand and drive up prices, if they stop doing that, not all renters can afford a home so may not be able to make up for the demand if they can't rent>aka limiting rent prices may lower home sale prices>aka it would make it less profitable to build homes and therefore less homes would be built>supply would then be lower and thus increase prices as you sayThis is how it would affect prices, as per economic theory, BUT>supply is already fucked due to gorillion permits, licenses, paperwork and bribes required to be allowed to build a home, and that is the bottleneck here>therefore, this literally wouldn't matterI hope this makes sense. It's very hard to explain this in simple steps. But my point is, just like leftists are often wrong with their stupid ideas about prices and the market, you're also wrong about this.>>546075996read>>546075584
>>546076288Well. Stop letting infinite niggers inStop taxing everythingStop overegulating everything. Affordability crisis solved.
>>546077456Hell will freeze before this happens. Spainbro should just move to a functional country like Russia or some latam nation that isn't a shithole.
>>546075996Probably import more immigrants and grant them homes.
>>546073705>protestWow, it's almost as effective as an online petition!
>>546073705Immigration does not effect the supply and price of housing. Economists have debunked this time and again but here people are still spreading nonsense
>>546073705Fuck these retards, they say nothing about the countless millions of illegals in Spain. They even support 500,000 being legalized, ignoring it would attract even more illegals.
>>546074395>they are doing something.Every time protests anywhere come up they have to bring up the US for some reason.I saw someone mention Spain has 10% unemployment and 20% youth unemployment. No wonder they can get out and protest.
What's Spanish for Soros-funded?
I've been watching RTVE for a couple of minutes. What I really hate about Spanish politics is that there are too many leftist parties with disparities in their messaging.
>>546073705Fuck you rent cuck. Rent is due! Pay me, cuck. I hate you faggots so much its what drives me to aquire more property so I can have more renters and hear thier lamenting over rent. Im your fucking king, bend the fucking knee.
>>546077996>Noooo more people needing housing doesn't mean less housing!!!!You sound like a retarded, faggot, sub human child crying like a fucking downie.
>>546073705>landlordism So who owns the apartment building then? When you're not on solid ground and you're 5 floors up, what constitutes ownership ala maintenance over the room you're residing in within the building?Because all these protests over landlords usually end up being trojan horses for the acquisition of private property over to the state. Whom becomes the new landlord. And as landlord, the state will be more likely to dictate on forcing immigrants to take over and come to the conclusion that any empty space in the apartment you own should be inhabited by them.
>>546073705so they want the banks to own everything direct and thinks that will be better?
is this cringe communism or based anti semitism
>>546073705>invite immigration>cry about housing costniga it's the same here, a 50m2 apartment in warsaw costs the same as in london
>>546073705How's Spain's over-all situation? I know France is fucked and there's been a number of issues for Spain's government but how stable is their fiscal situation. I.e. What are the odds Spain and France explode fiscally at the same time.
>>546080227spain has one of the lowest birth rates on the planet and one of the laziest work forces on the planet. without immigrants, nothing gets built and the country dies out. if you are a based anti natalist then i give you permission to think thats fine, but if you arent, you are just inconsistent
>>546073868>less landlords will make my rent go downutterly retarded take
>>546073705kek retardYou need more "landlords" to have more houses, not to fight with them.
>>546081453leftists will complain about high rent and then want 80 billion niggers to invade their nation
>>546077759>functional country like Russialol. I mean before the war, in 2015, it was a good cheap place to live but it's not anymore
I left that decaying shithole of a country recently after coping and struggling for many years (the EU in general isn't any better).Good luck I guess but I'm past the point of caring. I'm getting older and want to actually live my life and raise a family instead of living in constant poverty and stress.
>>546073705A story as old as stupidity itself>people raise legitimate issues>crooks and idiots come to the forefront with their proposed "solution">things get worse still>not true gommunism, go to the next gountry xD
>>546078220unemployment and free time is how Soviet Union fell. The moment people have free time they start doing shit.
>>546073705You sure that you didn't mean "houselords"? And that you don't use the term "landlords" only because it has this ancient, feudal sting to it?
>>546080284Unemployment is around 10% and youth unemployment is around 20%. Many downplay it saying people work side jobs that don't get reported.For years I've heard having a car in your 20s puts you above most others financially.
>>546073953no they're actually doing the opposite, up to 100% tax breaks for landlords who bring down the price.
>>546082384that's just the baseline unemployment for spain. right now, anybody who wants to work is working. salaries are shit but not so shit as to not be able to afford a car!
>>546073705I sense another train derailment coming down the tracks.
>>546073705Trabaja y compra si no te gusta alquilar, puto zángano
>>546082635>>546082599>>546082543>>546082491>>546082384Are you faggots going to try and blame Muslims for this?
>>546073705>>half of all tenants are immigrants, meaning, they are the reason demand is high and prices are risinglmao. a spaniard who doesn't even know his own land. Retarded manolo see picrel and you'll understand why your rent is so high
>>546074335I live in a city with rent control. It’s NOT based. It causes open units to increase in price dramatically and only pays off for people who are renting in the same place for 10-20+ years.
Cool, I hope they're aware that the solution isn't political and requires the state to literally steal property from currents owners and nationalise it, then raise interest rates to record highs in order to limit banks ability to lend, followed by the state themselves putting the country into austerity in order to reduce inflation and then limiting immigration to near zero - all of which will create a financial calamity that will last up to a decade.You can't crash housing prices because there's a floor that many people are well aware of and will pay for. Even it was considered 'affordable', you'd have competition between people at at least a degree that they immediately become 'unaffordable' to the same group of people.Living in large cities is still what most of us want and there isn't an economic or political solution. You can certainly slow their increase in value by majorly limiting credit, but the fact is immigration has fucked most major cities badly. You are competing with millions of more people than just 30 years ago, let alone your grandparents time in 70s and 80s.These people simply want but won't do what's necessary to achieve it.So good luck limiting credit (an inconceivable affront to current systems), cutting immigration to near zero and forcibly repossession a level of property. It's not gonna happen and the people there wouldn't not want to suffer the short term catastrophe that would bring. They yell out because they feel they're owed a lifestyle they created in their heads.
>half of all tenants are immigrantsso it's really just an anti-shitskin protest in the same way that the french "school" protests were also anti-shitskin protests (that ironically were hijacked by shitskins)all of the complaints raised in these euro protests are really just over the effects of allowing millions of niggers to invade the country, but the protestors never have the courage to label them as such, so we just get street faggotry for a few weeks and then everyone forgets about the whole thing
>>546076288You clearly haven’t dealt with landlords for very long as a people, you have an almost innocent idea of them. Yes they will jack up the rent to cover the cost of the raise on taxes just so they can still make profit. It’s not policy it’s human greed. They’re not in the landlord profession to make friends and help Spaniards, they’re there to take your hard earned money and spend it on a third rental property so his faggot kids can grow up to shit on your kids.
>>5460829000,45% is a lot?
>>546081609Moscow had the highest rental costs and costs of living for years in a row, even shadowing NYC for a few of them. Russia was only cheap if you lived in the asshole of the world parts.
>>546082881No. It's always juden, every single fucking time.
>>546082881Why shouldn’t they? Migrants drive up cost of living and lower the supply of available houses, plus the very government gives them financial assistance to buy homes. The fact they haven’t pogromed all the jews and muds is a marvel to me.
>>546083014You made him look like a fucking idiot so he’s definitely not coming back.
