Why are low birth rates bad? I get it there will be too few young people to compensate for pensions, but isn't joblessness already skyrocketing? It doesn't seem like there are millions of people lacking,it seems like there's just too much and it doesn't seem to get better nor with closed borders (there is a ton of joblessness even in areas with little to no immigrants) nor with the development of AI. Can't consumption make up for it? I've heard an opinion that part of the reason why Europe was flooded with immigrants (refugees) is because the welfare spending would be compensated with the money they'd spend on local products. I am really bad at economy,could you explain pls
This is a complex problem that goes beyond the scope of economics.Globohomo is trying to solve a number of problems that were caused by their foolish rule.The decline in birth rates in first‑world countries is a reflection of the process of the middle class being destroyed—and this applies not only to the spheres of race and geneticsThe potential idea is a narrow class of the super‑rich and super‑influential, and everyone else - “brown.” worker class with "communism for poor" and low resistance or riot potential.Read "Enclaves" by Panov to have the political idea or "Elisyum" movie for a picture.Perfect score is of course to kill us all.
>>546088587you don't want to make workers and tax payers?okay, we'll get them from countries that will be actively hostile to you.they will forevermore be a slave caste and act like one even if they are elevated to your level.these people will not suffer a sentencing if they kill you, but if you say a slur, you will be beaten within an inch of your life and everyone will think this was righteous.and don't forget about ressources.within a nation, all citizens compete for ressources and space and jobs.and now in a post-national world, you will compete not with your country but with the entire third world for every scrap of anything.no, i will not dump it down for you, fuck you.
>>546088587Basically your job is mine now bitch. But elites wants to satisfy their pedo instincts at Jeffrey Epstein island so for that reason you have to reproduce. The only job in the future is being the fucking whore for some important CEO. We (robots) don't have a pussy of flesh. At least not yet and when we get it you will be completely garbage.
>>546088587Bump
>>546088587why should men keep society running if women work all the fake powerpoint jobs and dont birth children why even treat them equally if they do not honor the social contract; men shouldnt grow food or fix the roads or electricity if were just gonna live in a matriarchal feminist childless shithole. a childless woman should be deported to India
>>546088587EZ.big cities go brrrrrrmid-income human value drops
Sane thread
>>546088587>Why are low birth rates bad?1.8 to 2.6 birth rates are low but are technically not the real issue, outside of exposing the scam that is social securityBut below 1.0 you're looking at a mass extinction situation, it's halving population in half per generation
>>546088587It causes inflation and unemployment to boom
>>546090026Why unemployment? Wouldn't there be massive holes that need to be filled with young people's labor
everyone saw their parents trudge through their own childhood and realized its a terrible experience. theres also way less familial pressure because parents just want their kids to like them now that theyre getting old and lonely
>>546089918ThisThe boomers you hate aren't the ones you see around, they're in Ibiza or remote retirement paradises. They need lines to go up because that's makes their retirement overseas better. It's quite alright that their home nation is utterly replaced with millions of foreigners.Weak minds can't see it and think politicians are there to help. Any politician or hoomer trying to convince you you need foreigners is trying to fuck you for personal gain.
>>546088587Low-birth rates are good, they are bad in contrast with the third world that has super high birth rates and will flood in and replace the original people. Basically, it's just a defense against the contrast of developing countries.Low-birth rates without immigrants would eventually give everyone super high wages, and extremely good job treatment, would be utopian, and then birth rates would shoot back up after living standards become extremely high. it doesn't work though since greedy fuckers can bring in immigrants.
>>546088587In the USA they completely fucked over all the kids with drugs and nigger music, then they flooded all the schools with the most violent crack baby niggers this world has ever produced to the point learning became impossible, then all the institutions collapsed from incompetence of women and niggers, this led to many white males becoming sick, poor, and unable to find work, then to boot the court systems were taken over by commies from foreign lands that turned everything against the white men who built the country.Not only are white men to sick, tired, and outright exhausted from the sick and twisted vomit inducing circus we call society, we also have nigger fatigue that will never end.Ontop of all that we have brains capable of showing us the future, and guess what? None have a single good vision of the future, it's all fucking bad anon, dystopian nightmarescape until the planet itself turns black and rots away from the cancer which makes it really hard to see yourself with a family.Sure you can force it by brainwashing children but eventually the smart ones are going to figure things out and the only ones left reproducing are idiots who will never overcome their own egos leading to perpetually blind and stupid people leading newborns over a cliff.
>>546088587short term effects are bad because an ageing population has to keep the country running. long term effects would be better with stagnation but individual wealth increasing. but TPTB can't have that and that's why they import immigrants
>>546088587Because the entire system is built on debt, taking from future genereations and speculation.Your pension is money taken from you by force that is invested, not kept secure. The money YOU put into the system is already spent. If if future generations don't put a lot of money in, you dont' get your penison.Number needs to go up. Save costs on whatever you can - from salaries, to security, so product qulity.The stock holder don't care about the long-term effect on the poeple or the nations. Its a comepltely broken system. Everything is. Society is fucked.
>>546090264>Low-birth rates without immigrants would eventually give everyone super high wagesThey key is productivity pet capita. Currency is only worth what you can buy with it. And you need to produce shit to buy shit.Even if China produces it, your currency needs to be worth something so you can import foreign goods.No productivity = no purchase power.Foreigners tend to increase total GDP but reduce GDP pet capita because they come without training or sometimes they're just exploiting Democrat policies to lure in voters.
>>546088587Boomer pensions, consumer economies, and things like US social security rely on infinite growth, they are glorified pyramid scams. Low birth rates erode the revenue for all these things, so it's undesirable for those who benefit from those systems.There's also the simple fact that everyone ignores, the world is run by elderly rich people that clearly serve their own interests, regardless of political affiliation. They are working to cash out as much wealth from the world as they can, and they know they can't unfuck the mess they made to get rich to begin with. They know everything will fall over eventually and create mass tragedies across the globe. Their goal is to keep up appearances and hope things stay in their favor until they die. They do not care about the consequences because the plan is to die before those come to a head.Will they make it? Only time can tell.
>>546088587No kids, means you die alone in probably a preventable manner and are discovered via the overwhelming smell from your home/apartment.
>>546090396How much labor is just necessary to support the economy? It seems to be only ever reducing
The Jew needs exponential growth. Money in this fake economy is generated by interest, and interest is what the jew need to live without working. You need more people each generation to keep generation more and more interest to make the jew richer. Look at Japan, it's the closest we have to an old European country and everyone agrees is the best country right now. They have one of the lowest birth rates and eldest populations, but they compensate the lack of population with technology just fine. Lower population lowers unemployment in the upcoming age of AI and automation, it makes housing more affordable, and it's inherently more human to live in lower density populations. But the Jew needs his interest, and higher sales.
>>546090085Wages will increase but so will taxes since the elderly are nonworking and outnumber the young. There will be more jobs to be done than there are people able to work them, therefore critical services will collapse.
>>546090332If we just printed for this, instead of importing people, we would still “pay for it” with inflation, but wages would also go up because of less competition there.There are so many examples like this. Use your imagination for one fucking second and stop being a pull string jew toy
>>546088587I also hate women. By themselves it's NOT a problem. The world has experienced a century or two of unrestricted population growth, and in the minds of ((those at the top)), unfettered economic expansion, GDP-braining if you will.The essential point here though is that infinite economic growth is unsustainable and an irrational way to formulate a stable, lasting economy, much less a sustainable society and civilization. ((but these people are obliged by their natures to feed and feed and feed heedless of whether it exhausts the host)).ANYWAY, population decline in itself isn't bad, look at the Black Death. An ugly way to go about it, but it's effects on wages and worker's rights is hard to ignore.The PROBLEM is that ((our societal superiors)) also are prone to irrational and abiding contempt for the very people they rely on for their comfortable existence as a people. They're also as a rule subversive and physically unimposing so overt genocide isn't really on the cards, not unless they really luck out (see: Bolsheviks, Holodomor, Ukraine war, etc).So what's the next best thing for such people with a slave-master mindset? MERCENARIES.So they mass import third worlders into the West.THAT is the problem with population decline. By itself it's at best a minor nuisance in the grand scheme. Combined with mass migration it's an attempted extermination of the White race, as surely as it is if an invasive species is purposefully released into another species native habitat.
>>546088587>Everything is expensive>Men's education punishes risk taking>Men can lose everything from an unsubstantiated #metooWe live in a society
>>546088587Religious groups still have above replacement birth rates. That demonstrates the problem isn't the birth rates, it's secular society, feminism & degeneracy that is the problem. Even imported immigrants drop to low fertility rates in the west within a generation. If people don't have a religious reason to have kids, they simply don't most of the time.
Also, we do not import young women when there’s a birth rate crisis. We do not import soldiers when there’s a recruitment crisis. We ONLY import people for the purpose of competing with working white men.
>>546090651Elderly don't/can't work, but still need critical services. Low birth rates means we pass the threshhold between those able to work and unable to and their needs (there's a term for it I can't recall) therefore critical services fail.
>>546090864Russia imports soldiers
>>546090885Considering how many people are employed in seemingly useless industries like entertainment, could they compensate for critical spheres like medicine? And what would be the consequences if all the small restaurants,thrm parks etc. Closed
>>546090885This is the only comment you need to understand to see why low birth rates are civilization collapsing. As the number of people able to work is consistently lower than the elderly who are unable to, and the elderly have more need of critical services, not less. Because of how time works. Mass immigration is just a band aid.
because the holy spirit is awakened and says fuck this gay earth, which is then trickled down to all the subconsciousnesses of man
>>546090960elderly rely on critical services to a greater degree and there are less people to maintain them. Even if it were possible to retrain useless people into crotical roles (it's not), it's purely a numbers game. Needs of society vs Labor in vs value produced
>>546090968It's the whole secular system the west has built up post WW2. It's turned into poison, and now people are sick.
The problem is that capitalism wants to chase the high of infinite growth which requires methods beyond just higher birthrates.You see, native citizens will simply just not accept pay/hours/benefits beneath a certain baseline. The US could have 5 births per woman and capital still would not be satisfied. Enter immigrants and H1B's. Then they use the excuse of low birthrates to justify the foreign labor without giving up the game that they're just greedy and don't care about native citizens.
>>546091083It's not even science fiction to say our only hope is AI and autonomous robot servents, it's an absurd truism. That, and AI robot servents is far more likely to occur and address low birth rates than exists the possibility for women to have more babies. Both points sound preposterous but are in fact true.
>>546091190Why do you think it's so impossible for women to have more babies? Religious groups that have little contact with the secular mainstream society don't have these birth rate problems.
>>546091133Everything in nature wants to "chase" higher growth. Literally everything. The problem with liberals like you is you want everything to be equal and stagnant, but there doesn't exist a single functioning system in the universe that is equal and stagnante, reality is heirarchical, composed of unequal bodies, and all systems attempt to grow beyond their boundaries, and do.
>>546091302Most of those groups live the way it makes economically beneficial to have children (work on pandemic and need many young working hands)
>>546090906Based. We don’t
>>546091335*work on land
>>546091331>want a state that cares about citizens and forces corporations based in the state to act towards the civic duty of the state before chasing infinite growth at the expense of the state>liberalWe must have very different definitions of liberal.
>>546091302Every modern society all have low birth rates, women won't have babies on their own accord. Too many contraception methods like the pill and abortion, for women to bring up birth rates would require a profound cultural shift that is unlikely, it seems more likely that AI will take over everything.
>>546091412You want the state to take care of you, I get it. Contrasted with free enterprise, that's generally more to the left yeah?
>>546091416You're veering into transhumanism at that point. You don't realize the crossroads humanity is at, we've already hit peak liberalism.We quite literally have to make a cultural shift. Liberalism is death in the long term.
>>546091080The reverse is possible to but only if the connection grants it to spread a new message.
>>546091476No I want the state to keep corporate interests in line with the interests of the citizenry and therefore the state to provide a strong bulwark against foreign influence and meddling.
>>546091335Exactly, humans were not meant to live like that. Domesticated animals always have birth rate problems, re-arranging the way we live is the solution.
>>546088587guys like me who are actually productive get super depressed we are being productive for the benefit of others. To me the world is just constant rejection while I have no kids. It's like looking from the window in the cold on christmas day. For one it's to the benefits of foreigners. For another, it's a benefit to the normies. Especially the women. The same women who rejected me and hurt me deeply. They gave children to other men. So then I pay taxes for their shit? I get what? All I feel is humiliation. Like my house has a constant cloud over it everyone can see, this guy is a bachelor and it's all a little sad but what can you do? And women are scoundrel rats now. So really, what do I do it all for? I really am better off selling everything and buying a lifetime supply of firewood and clean water.
>>546091568This. Finally someone put into words where the line is between free marketards and commies. These corporations are out of fucking control
>>546088587>Why are low birth rates bad?1. because people who own 10 houses and apartments dont find buyers2. because people who own companies use retards willing to work for pennies to outcompete companies who cant. this is by far the easiest way to beat your competition. you dont need to invent anything, improve anything, you just pay people as little as possible and it rapes the other companies who dont do this. this is the central core of boomer economics and also the main reason of the decline of the west. because its a selfish logic at the cost of your country. long term you harm everyone by doing this. short term its profitable tho.for the average normal person low birth rates are obviously good. resources are finite so it means more for everyone. but normal persons dont make politics
>>546091416The future is probably going to be communities of people who embrace the AI future, and people who embrace natural, biomimetic ways of living. This is the endgame of the post WW2 liberal consensus with a little bit of biblical prophecy thrown in.
>>546092040i wrote too fast. i meant to argue why people push immigration that bad
>>546091568corpos can offer big bonus and possible future in corporate structure for govt servicewhat citizen can offer?surreal
>>546091713The world doesn't want any more white inventions. The world doesn't appreciate cars, planes, or the internet. They "got theirs" already, they were exposed to enough to be satisfied with the white influences they have that seem new and exciting enough for them to no longer be curious about the unknown or future products us whites would gift the world. Otherwise they'd say something. Silence is violence. Only the Japanese seem to notice and care.
>>546091302>religious groupsone specific religious groupA solution for birthrate problem? Welfare that covers cost of life and allow savings.
>>546088587Boomers need to keep up their ponzi scheme
>>546092204Birthrates being low isn't a financial problem. Your ancestors had large families in what would be considered poverty today.It's all downstream from liberalism. Women were never meant to be liberated like this. It's harmful to them.
>>546088587They aren't bad because soon we'll have robots everywhere. They are bad for the kikes because it goes against their 1 world government.
>>546088587>Why are low birth rates bad?it's bad for business. that's literally it.
>>546092308SEA and Africa's birthrates are going down. I think that's just human nature to not do something hard when there's no direct material benefit from it
Sorry incel, upholding the GDP is state mandated.Reproduce. Now.No? Then we'll just import 2 billion Indians into your small rural town.
>>5460927142 issues with that.1. Overpopulation is real, and we're almost at the planet's carrying capacity (mouse utopia, but localized)2. Those 2 regions are becoming increasingly liberal & secular.Having kids never had a direct material benefit anyways unless you count them being able to work as one.
>>546092903>you count them being able to work as oneI mean yeah. Peasants wouldn't be able to survive without their children slaving away from as young as possible to serve the land. They had more children than the "natural" baseline of hunter gatherers so they put effort into expanding their fertility not just accidentally knocking each other up and going with itThe liberalization of all regions seems to be the consequence of development. Even Afghanistan has a negative trend,surprisingly
>>546090968That's not the issue, the issue is foreign scab labour, and pensions. Without the foreign scab labour younger people could easily find jobs in these geriatric-facing roles, but pensions are ruinous, because they demand heavier and heavier taxation and debt adoption which can never be paid off.Likewise migrants of every age bracket are net takers out of the welfare and service sectors, so for every scab ass-wiper imported, you bring in like 5~10 useless eaters, who as a habit have far worse health outcomes and are also prone to abusing any welfare provisions simply because they can.Go to any hospital in the West in current year and you tell me it's the elderly that are clogging up the system. Elderly healthcare and support is ironically the least of our issues. If that was the only issue we could manage well enough. The worst case scenario is average life expectancy drops a bit and the problem resolves itself. Old people continue to be old and die, society continues.It's that they're taking so much of the welfare and tax budget because as the larger generation, they essentially controlled the public purse strings at the ballot box for a lifetime, and then they import hordes of foreigners because a few will submit to being their ass-wipers for a pittance, while expecting younger gens to pay the bill for the hordes of dependents and fellow travelers that arrive with them.
>>546091416That'll take care of itself when patriarchy re-establishes itself. Also AI taking over bro please lol. Chat bots will not take over anything except the financial viability of retarded investors who got had.
>>546093034Afghanistan is still high compared to the rest of the world (3.5-4.5), it seems to have went up a bit after the Taliban regained control.it's likely the degree to which liberalism is resisted by the populace, and not necessarily a direct consequence of development.
>>546088587Low birth rates makes the difference between the "investor class" and the "working class" start to shrink. This is the exact opposite of what the elites want the world to be. So they import desperately poor and semi-retarded shitskins to reestablish the inequality they had before.The ONLY part of society that suffers from a shrinking population are those who "make money from money" as opposed to those who make money from actual productive work.>>546089869>a childless woman should be deported to IndiaA white woman with a black child should be shot out of a cannon into the sun (along with her nurgle spawn).
>>546088587>Why are low birth rates bad?higher classes are growing, lower class is shrinkingtoo little peons to sustain higher classes, must import untouchable fecaloids from india
>>546088587Oh they're good for you. They're just bad for White people
>>546088587women's rights and education. Most babies are accidents.
>>546090264>the third world that has super high birth ratesAnon, only 2 countries have above replacement lvl birth rates. Israel and some african country that probably lies about their numbers.
>>546093316If your only plan is to force births, you will go extinct. Muslims and Abrahamics are sub-human. Become human, or go extinct. We don't care either way, as becoming human was too much to ask of you in the first place. Nothing of value is being lost here. 'White people' no you are not people, you are larvae that produce serfs.
>>546094943Liberals like you are literally going extinct. You're drinking poison and expecting it to hurt the other person.
