https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2025/9/17/china-bans-tech-firms-from-nvidia-chip-purchases-report>China bans tech firms from Nvidia chip purchases: Reporthttps://www.ft.com/content/a30c3dd5-9383-4606-a649-fdf19c41c308>China banned Nvidia’s gaming chip during Jensen Huang’s visit>Jensen Huang has since met with the Trump regime and figured out plans to bypass Chinas sanctions and undermine Chinese manufacturers like Huawei with their American regime subsidized chip overcapacityThis is racist against Americans! America has a human right to dump nvidia chips on China. China should open its borders!
>>546093861They're making their own that's why, it's protectionism
>>546093861Please let this be true....so maybe next year I can buy a new computer much cheaper than it cost this year.
>>546093861So pretentiousChina lags behind in this fieldThey have nothing of their own that matches state of the art Western Chips
>ban chips to china>china immediately starts looking for ways to produce domesticallykek this is actually what huang warned about years ago. i remember it distinctly. sanctions are stupid because it's not like the chinks are too dumb to make it themselves. they simply don't do it because it's cheaper to buy already existing stuff. but should you ban it, they will make their own, and then you're fucked in the long run.
>>546094044The Chinks do not have lithography machines as good as in the westAnd at the EUV lithography level, they dont have any alternativesIts just coping and seething from the Chinks
>>546094023How about they just want secure home market for their own chips....after that they start dumping very cheap chips to rest of the world (classic concept for them)....Nvdia will be fucked hard to ass on long run.
>>546094178most people here dont even know how their xbox controller works let alone chips. If you read the story, there has always been a loose "ban" on any high end chips, from both sides. On china's side, its as you said, to force innovation because they in fact found out that most of the domestic fab's were just using rehashed U.S. chips.
>>546094192>long run.Minimum 10 years maybe 20 years or more before the Chinks catch upBut anyway good luck to themBut acting like this isn't a blow is just Chinese putting on a brave faceThe Chinese desperately want those Nvidia chipsThey have entire setups of front firms specifically to avoid these Western restrictionsMalaysia and Singapore import tons of these due to demand from fake firms which are fronts for Chinese companiesI am actually not to excited about where this is goingEspecially when you consider this is the beginning of a series of movesWhich are designed to curb OPEN SOURCE AI especially from Chinese firmsBut the truth has to be said
>>546094044>they simply don't do it because it's cheaper to buy already existing stuff. but should you ban it, they will make their own, and then you're fucked in the long run.It's never cost effective for a single company to take this risk. The current silicon cartel was set up by the American government with public money, they distributed the supply chain between "allies" (UK, Netherlands, Japan, Taiwan) but patents are held by American companies.The current project to advance domestic lithography mills in China is also government sponsored, they're tard wrangling dozens of companies and universities to work together. If you just took the selfish interests of the end of the chain, companies training AI or providing inference, they'd prefer to buy straight from Nvidia instead of enduring the growing pains of building a domestic supply chain.
>>546094178Sorry saar, it's already known they imported some of the wests' machines.
>>546093861China literally in cahoots to try and mitigate this hahahahah
>>546094178>And at the EUV lithography level, they dont have any alternativesThey do. Not producing commercially yet and not with a fully decoupled supply chain (it uses some smuggled components from Nikon) but ASML was having a melty over their EUV prototype some months ago.
>>546093911They also but an export ban on all materials used in chip production which screws over everyone else that produces chips.
>>546093861This company needs shutting down immediately and all accounts frozen.
>>546093942It is true, China is developing its own semiconductor industry, Moore Threads was a meme GPU company and now its extremely profitable due to the MT compat layer with Cuda.Huawei Atlas 96GB cards went from 1 thousand dollars to prices between 3 and 4 thousand dollars.OrangePi AI Studio Pro 192GB RAM is no longer sold to foreigners, seems the chinks bought all the stock.there might be even more AI hardware we are unaware, I fucking hate the Gringos Americanos who said the Huawei Atlas Card was an unsuable meme card, Americans are a wicked and retarded people. they go:>Hurrr durrrr chinese card wont run GTA 6 at max graphics meme card useless pay 9 thousand dolarinos for a limited 5090, amuricah numba one fuck yeah!I will never trust again an Americano doing hardware reviews.
>>546094552Yeah I read about that and ASML stock actually went downBut when I went and read about that in detailI found that the Chinese alternative is many years behindIt was just stock market hysteria>>546094397Indeed many here believe China is some tech frontier paradiseOf course the constant wumao shilling reinforces that
>>546094023How about India. India is filled with the smartest tech workers on the planet, so they tell me. So much so that their companies put competant people infront of businesses in order to win contracts and employment. Then to only move the person who was lined up elsewhere and shoehorn other more mediocre people towards the company hoping they don't notice. Shouldn't India be producing the most in demand chips in the world with all their super studious talent?
>>546094623India lags behind badly in all kinds of manufacturingIn the recent days they are trying some new things.The Government is giving some incentives and new firms are startingI guess we will have to wait and see
>>546094455>The current silicon cartel was set up by the American government with public money,This is what I believe. I do not have hard proof. But companies like google are in no way private entities in my eyes.
>>546094692How can that be? Indians are the most capable people on the planet that are better than any western worker. That is why the west needs Indian labour. Because they are superior.
>>546093911China is happy to buy European lithography machines because Europe is white.China bans American chips just because America is black.Its racism.
>>546094759they are superior to Timmy but only AFTER they move to the westxD
>>546094692BTW I will say this. I do not hate the people of India. I do absolutely hate their practices and beliefs on how the world should operate. I personally want India to be a good country in the sense that the people living there have their quality of life increase.
>>546094827Yup it is a very unfortunate mentality that comes here.
>>546094815Chinese are banned from buying High End European Lithography machines nowThat is one part of the gigantic Chinese asshurt
>>546094700It's not secret lmao they're open about it, look up Pax Silica>>546094557Nobody is allowed to export any components used in chip production to China under threat of American sanctions anyway. Lines on the map, Netherlands, Germany, those mean nothing, it's provinces of the American empire, their word is law. Not sovereign countries. No company in China can just call Zeiss and ask for a quote for lenses.
>>546094836Well, thanks
>>546094889>nowThis has been true for a decade and change, it's not new.
>>546094931Hmm I have to look that upBecause I remember reading some news to that effect some years back
>>546093911yep, speeds up the process of production, chinks are smart as fuck with this stuff
>>546094931You are correct. EUV lithography machine sales have always been banned to ChinaI guess I got confused with DUV machines ie the older generationHere is the up to date information from Google AIThere is a partial ban on Deep Ultraviolet (DUV) lithography machines. The most advanced DUV tools are effectively blocked, while older DUV systems remain available under licensing rules.Current DUV Export Status• Twinscan NXT:2000i: Banned High-End Immersion DUV: Since September 2023, the Dutch government has required export licenses for ASML's top-tier immersion DUV systems, specifically the Twinscan NXT:2000i and newer models. These machines are barred from shipping to China. • Twinscan NXT:1980i: Restricted Mid-Tier Immersion DUV: License requirements expanded in 2024 to include the slightly older Twinscan NXT:1980i. While tightly monitored, shipments of this model still receive case-by-case approval.• Unrestricted Dry DUV: Older "dry" DUV lithography machines used for mature, legacy chipmaking nodes face no export bans and continue to ship freely.
>>546095145ContdWhy Loopholes Are Being Debated• Aggressive Stockpiling: Chinese chipmakers capitalized on the exemption for mid-tier tools, accumulating an estimated 343 immersion DUV machines by early 2026. Roughly 270 of those units are the NXT:1980i model. • Advanced Chip Workarounds: By using complex "multi-patterning" techniques, Chinese foundries can adapt these permitted DUV machines to manufacture advanced 7-nanometer chips and AI processors. • The Proposed MATCH Act: U.S. lawmakers introduced the bipartisan Multilateral Alignment of Technology Controls on Hardware (MATCH) Act in 2026 to close this gap. The bill aims to force allies like the Netherlands and Japan to impose a total ban on all immersion DUV sales and halt maintenance servicing for machines already inside China. Both ASML and the Dutch government have pushed back against the proposal, warning it will accelerate China's development of domestic alternatives.
>>546095273ContdThis is where China stands in DUV Lithography. And its not good They are more than 10 years behindChina has reached a major milestone by beginning small-scale mass production of its own immersion DUV lithography machines, though these tools remain multiple generations behind state-of-the-art Dutch systems from ASML.Led by the state-backed Shanghai Aishengna Electronic Technology Group (which absorbed teams from SMEE and domestic startups), China is rolling out its first commercial immersion scanners for domestic chipmakers like SMIC, Hua Hong, and CXMT.How Far China Has Advanced• Early Commercial Rollout. China started limited commercial production of 193-nanometer immersion DUV tools, delivering roughly 5 units in 2026 with plans to scale up to 20 units in 2027.• Node Capabilities. The domestic machines are designed to print 28-nanometer class chips using a single exposure. By applying multi-patterning techniques, foundries can theoretically push them to produce 7nm chips, though with lower yields and higher costs.• Supply Chain Independence. While most components are now sourced domestically, reports from TechWire Asia note that the machines still rely on some critical sub-components imported from Japan.How They Compare to State-of-the-Art ASML MachinesAccording to industry analyses by CNBC and DutchStartup.ai, China's newest immersion DUV tools are roughly comparable to ASML's Twinscan NXT:1950i, a system introduced around 2008. They trail ASML’s current flagship immersion tool, the Twinscan NXT:2150i, across every major metric
>>546094692Will izzat culture kill any new venture though? That’s the question. Can Indians actually build anything of their own without it descending into one big incompetent scam? Point me to some homegrown complex systems or structures that are 100% Indian. I want to consider
>>546094931CNN investigative reports by experts found China is 30 years behind and China Uncensored found that 5nm chips in Huawei phones arent real and will explode, they just ban American chips because they are racist. Grok confirmed this.
>>546095472They've pushed DUV remarkably far, it's a bit disingenuous. Obviously mass producing EUV mills is the white whale but current Huawei Ascend AI chips are made from similar DUV mills they got from ASML and the bin rate is not terrible. You couldn't dream of such a thing in 2008.
>>546093942>Please let this be true....so maybe next year I can buy a new computer much cheaper than it cost this year.Not gonna happen until the AI bubble has burst. You are not only going to get a burst AI bubble in 2027, but also a burst everything bubble. The great depression II is approaching.
>>546095768* **Akash Missile System**: Developed by the **Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)**, this surface-to-air missile system boasts **96% indigenous content**, with over 250 Indian industries involved in producing its subsystems, including the indigenous **Rajendra** phased-array radar.* **VIKRAM3201 Microprocessor**: Created by **ISRO** and the **Semiconductor Laboratory (SCL)**, this is India’s **first fully Make-in-India microprocessor** qualified for the harsh conditions of launch vehicles and space applications, fabricated entirely domestically.* **NexCAR19 Immunotherapy**: Developed by **ImmunoACT** (incubated at **IIT Bombay** and **Tata Memorial Centre**), this is India’s **first indigenous CAR-T cell therapy** for cancer, representing a complete homegrown biomedical innovation delivered at a fraction of global costs.* **Airworthy Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) Switch**: An Indian-origin, Indian-manufactured aerospace ethernet switch designed, developed, and qualified domestically for the **Tejas** fighter, marking a shift to end-to-end domestic architecture rather than licensed production.* **Gallium Nitride (GaN) MMICs**: Achieved by **DRDO’s** Solid State Physics Laboratory, making India one of only seven countries to master this export-controlled semiconductor technology critical for advanced radar and space systems, with startups like **AGNIT** commercializing the technology.While platforms like the **Tejas Mk1A** fighter and **INS Vikrant** aircraft carrier feature high indigenous content (**64–76%**), they still rely on some imported critical components, whereas the **Akash**, **VIKRAM3201**, and **NexCAR19** represent near-total domestic self-reliance in their respective complex domains.
>>546095768>>546096286Here are more examples of fully or near-fully homegrown complex systems:* **Dhruv64 Microprocessor**: India's first **64-bit dual-core processor** (1.0 GHz), developed by C-DAC under the Microprocessor Development Programme and unveiled in December 2025. Designed for embedded systems, it completes the processor lineage from 16-bit 32-bit (VIKRAM3201) 64-bit, all fabricated domestically.* **Indigenous 4G/5G Telecom Stack**: A fully homegrown end-to-end mobile network stack — core network by C-DOT, radio equipment by Tejas Networks, and system integration by TCS. Deployed across **100,000+ cell sites** for BSNL, making India one of only five nations with a fully homegrown mobile network technology. The first telecom system built entirely on indigenous semiconductor chips received **TEC certification** in 2025.* **Agni-V Ballistic Missile**: A road-mobile, canister-launched ICBM with a range of **5,000+ km**. Its navigation, composite propulsion, and re-entry mechanisms were all developed indigenously by DRDO, giving India a credible long-range strategic deterrent.* **Arihant-class SSBN**: India's first **nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine**, designed and constructed entirely domestically by Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders. It integrates indigenous propulsion, underwater launch systems, and naval stealth technology for second-strike capability at sea.* **NavIC (Navigation with Indian Constellation)**: A fully indigenous **satellite navigation system** providing positioning, navigation, and timing services across India and up to 1,500 km beyond its borders — functionally equivalent to GPS but entirely homegrown.
>>546096395>>546095768* **Indigenous High-Thrust Aero-Engine**: A **120 kN thrust** fighter jet engine (upgradable to 140 kN) under development for the AMCA programme. India will hold **100% of the intellectual property**, a sharp break from historical dependence on Russian and French engines whose hot-section and source code were never shared. Over ₹5,000 crore has been allocated.* **IIT Delhi Micro-GPU**: India's first working indigenous **micro Graphics Processing Unit**, designed by IIT Delhi researchers (September 2026), aimed at reducing import dependence for embedded graphics and display-processing systems.* **PraVaHa CFD Solver**: An indigenous **computational fluid dynamics** solver developed over many years at Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre for aerodynamic simulations of launch vehicles and re-entry capsules — replacing foreign EDA tools that had been a chokepoint.* **Akashteer Air Defence System**: A next-generation **Air Defence Control and Reporting System** by Bharat Electronics Ltd, fully Indian-developed. It automates detection, tracking, and response to aerial threats by integrating Army and Air Force radars into a unified air defence network.* **QRSAM & VSHORADS**: Two fully indigenous air defence missiles — QRSAM (Quick Reaction SAM) and **VSHORADS** (Very Short Range) — now being deployed as part of the **Integrated Air Defence Weapon System (IADWS)** to protect Delhi-NCR against drones and fighter jets. Both are 100% homegrown, unlike the Indo-Israeli MRSAM.* **D2M (Device-to-Machine) Platform**: Described as "the first deep-tech technology stack coming entirely out of India," developed over nearly eight years with multiple trials in Bengaluru. It uses indigenous chips and represents a fully homegrown deep-tech platform for industrial IoT.
>>546094178This, apart from the US/Taiwan, only India has a shot at developing cutting edge hardware manufacturing, due to having access to the best human capital in the world.
>>546096469>>546095768* **Airawat AI Supercomputer**: A home-grown AI supercomputer installed at C-DAC, Pune, ranked **75th in the world** on the Top 500 list — a significant milestone in indigenous high-performance computing.The pattern is clear: India has crossed from "assembly with imported cores" to **architectural ownership** in missiles, navigation, telecom, computing, and now is pushing into the last hard bastions — aero-engines, GPUs, and full supercomputing stacks.
>>546093861What purchases?Weren't they booked for next decade to deliver chips for AI SLOP generating machines?
huawei desktop gpu when
>>546096617Not quite never, but you'll be playing GTA VI on an Indian GPU long before China figures out reaching 1990s performance metrics.
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>>546094692Didn't you guys manage to make a home-made CPU that run a calculator?That's a start. See you in 1000 years.
>>546094023oh yeah they don't know what they're doing haha stupid chinks patriots are in control!
>>546094901>Nobody is allowed to export any components used in chip production to China under threat of American sanctions anywayBut China was exporting materials those chip manufacturers need to make the chips. They are no longer doing that and instead are using those materials to make their own chips. Japan has been freaking out about this recently otherwise their entire electronics sector has to shut down.
>>546093861Hopefully this means they'll actually start cracking down on domestic Chinese chip thieves and smugglers. I doubt it though.
>>546093861was she a double agent?
