Guarantee healthcare Is non negotiable. You understand that Miggers?
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>>546108568>you must fund the shitskins healthcareNo
>>546108568nigger take
>>546108568what is with leftoids and healthcare? its like a weird cult religion
The profit burden is pure overhead. They can only increase forever if you are also forever cutting staff and quality of care
>>546108722You're doing it already. The only person you're denying care to is yourself.
>>546108568With a dedicated fraud investigation/prevention team.
Great Idea.Who's going to pay for it ? (26 trillion dollars)
>>546108568Try looking up the translation of "veto".Unless you of course want to do something genuinely good for a change, rather than introduce wasteful theatrical counterproductive nonsense.As in that case Donald Trump's game, as he indicated.
>>546108733Because it costs $20,000 a year to cover a family of 4. Why is anyone against it? Why are you against it? The private Healthcare system is an absolute failure...more expensive and inefficient than any single payer European style system
>>546108722You do it already, anon. Single-payer healthcare is just cheaper. Get rid of the collusion between insurance and providers which is in large part why everything healthcare is so ridiculously expensive here. Plus, you'd be able to see a doctor more often yourself.
>>546108733>i dont wanna be healthyyoull get sick, everyone does its a biological certainty.
>lol
>>546108568funny in Vietnam doctors make like $13/hr. in america doctors make millions.the problem is the doctors
>>546108867the migger would rather the money go to isreal
>>546108568you can't have free healthcare until we have free agriculture, education, and energy first.free healthcare without free agriculture = no food.free healthcare without free education means = nobody smart enough to be a doctor in the first place.free healthcare without free energy = can't even begin to make healthcare.
>>546108919No it costs about $1200 a year for Canadian tier healcare for a family of 4$20000 per year healthcare is something only Americans have access to and they actually treat you
>>546108988>the problem is the doctorsMore specifically, education. Free education and free healthcare wouldn't solve everything entirely, but it would cut off two massive inputs to the negative feedback loop keeping everything expensive.
>>546108893Also 2 million displaced works
>>546108733the left requires the healthcare so they can all get their happy pills, trannies, and mental asylums for free.the literally refuse to get better, they just want you to pay for them to stay insane.
>>546108919mutts will experience the wonders of 60% of their income getting taxed via VAT, payroll, income tax increases, etc, all while their budget is still getting strained at an exponential ratethen they will conclude that it's all because of the rich and degenerate into a fully state-run economy as their botched tax policies fail to yield the expected returns and capital flight begins
>>546108867They don’t understand how money works. They see 1/3rd of their paycheck get taken and think it’s niggers. It’s their dying ugly bed ridden parents and their retarded debts being profited on by kikes. Maybe number 7 or 8 on that list of debts actually is niggers. Top 10 yes. Number 1? Think again
>>546108919why the fuck would you pay $20k/year to insure a family? the average family healthcare cost is just $4,217 a year, just pay out of pocket nigger
>>546108919you do know the problem is insurance companies, don't you?
>>546109118>They actually treat youNo they don't. They bill your $30,000 for an hour in the emergency room and send you home and tell you to get rest and it still takes 8 weeks to see a specialist
>>546109118Are you saying that you wouldn't recommend the system? Or just not the maid part?
>>546108733Cloward-Piven Strategy (1966) - a well known communist plan to overwhelm the government to collapse only to be replaced by communism.
>>546108929I'm always amazed you retards think banks, pharma, and doctors will just play nice if we pass the right law. Leave the people who ran the system into the ground in charge of the system, just use the government to force everyone to pay. Great plan.
>>546109196>pay $2800 a year in taxes vs $1100 a month to Aetna or blue cross blue shieldEasy choiceWould be the biggest economic stimulus in history
>>546109269I thought that republicans had the opposite, to overwhelm it to force it to cut programs to avoid bankruptcy.Almost like it's trotskyists vs. fabians instead of a real political system.
>>546108929>Get rid of the collusion between insurance and providersTHIS. ALSO TREAT TEETH AND EYES UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA. SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK AND WHY IS THIS EVEN ALLOWED!?!?!? THE KIKES TAKE OUR TAX DOLLARS AND HAVE FREE HEALTHCARE IN THEIR LAND THEY ARE ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING, WHY THE FUCK ARE MIGGERS SO FUCKING STUPID? I'M NOT A COMMIE BUT I'M CERTAINLY NOT YOUR BROTHER.
>>546109232..there is a chronic condition waiting for you later in life..see how that works out. For you
>>546108733without strict limits on what the government will cover it'll quickly grow beyond the initial budget and become another massive grift to hire infinite haitian nurses and shit like that.
>>546109249im saying the system already esists, for an individual it costs $29 a month in america, but americans think universal healthcare covers everything, it doesn't, it barely covers anything and what you do get is a 3rd world doctor googling shit.look up $29 healcare in the US and that is universal healthcare, it isn't good
>>546108568>kikes stopped using the word free because they know it makes them sound retarded
>>546108733The left is so over medicalized it's insane, this should be a bigger talking point. So many people's lives revolve around being a fucking hypochondriac going in and out of 9 different doctor's offices for a bunch of shit that doesn't even materially affect them, and barely exists on paper. But, they have to have it. Advances in medicine are great, now we need to be really fucking ruthless about malingering. Promise you we can do universal anything if we weren't afraid to say "you can't hab dats fo free."
>>546109196>degenerate into a fully state-run economy as their botched tax policies fail to yield the expected returnswe're already there. BBB will be as much of a failure as the TCJA
I've been saying, Trump may actually go ahead and sign some major socialist piece of legislation like this. He hates the Congressional Republicans. He's already something of a nationalist socialist not a libertarian maxxing tea partier. If they put single payer on his desk he might just do it.
>>546108929I don't need to see a doctorWhat do you not understand about thisyou're the only people who want to see therapists, doctors and get pills because you're an addict pretending to be ill
>>546109298I'm not sure where you got the impression that I think compliance will magically appear from nowhere. Obviously, you need competent people and well-staffed agencies to provide oversight and investigation. Big business has run roughshod over America for too long. It is, in many ways, not dissimilar from a quiet coup. We need to regulate and then watch these industries because, like you say, they're going to do everything they can to cheat and lie and continue stealing from the American people they possibly can.
>>546108568>TrumpcareHe's really going for that angle lmao
>>546108568>public policy “doctorate” This entire class of subhuman should be removed from earth
>>546109200Feel free to explain to us how the US is going to fund healthcare for everyone when it's causing other countries to go absolutely broke. Also, explain to me how the government runs a single fucking thing that works.
>>546109427>I don't need to see a doctor>What do you not understand about thisTouchy subject?
>>546109400Doctors need to be more discerning. More "Nah, you're fine. Chew some valerian root and get more exercise. Don't come back til you've lost 10lbs either "
>>546109232No it isn't, it's closer to 28k you lying slimy little fuck. I was paying $16K a year before I switched to my wife's insurance(she is employed by the state so it's way cheaper) Then you have to pay your deductibles still and you have to worry about in/out network bullshit. It's kiked all around.
>>546108919This. I just had to cancel my insurance. It was $150/month just for me, but my copay was $75. So when I go to the doctor, I only save $25. The math isn't mathing. One time the receptionist actually laughed out loud and said, "look how high his copay is".
>>546109118Dot
>>546109430Regulate them with whose government? It's 1913 + 113 and the government has never not been corpo's bitch. How are they going to run a top down medical system?
>>546109400This is a good point too. Made up mental illness and crap like fibro myaligia etc
>>546109533then how would they pay off the lexus?
>>546109427Scared? You playing "it's not real if I don't see a doctor"Eventually you have to
>>546109492what an odd response, anon.you shouldn't be happy about needing to see doctors.
>>546109569not insurance retard, the cost out of pocket to medically take care of a family per year. Insurance is a scam where they have to have more people paying in than taking out to profit and cover the overhead of everything. It will always be cheaper to pay out of pocket
The US has to head towards austerity and I suspect the Left is going to go completely the other direction. With 10yr at 4.98% and 30yr at 5.45%, in rough numbers the interest expense will be $40T @ 5.45% = $2.18T. Consider the 2026 defense budget was $1.04T. Something has to make way for that interest charge. The option is not to just borrow more. Many countries are now selling US debt and not buying. If you can get people to buy and finance the shortfall, the interest rate will go to 6, then 7%, etc. The only answer is austerity and I don't think that is what the Left has planned.
>>546109681why do you think this way?not every body gets sick, anon.
>>546109492>anon makes a good point>erm le touchy? DurrrDoes universal healthcare extend to unnecessary accoutrements like your enabling psychologist or hormones?
>>546109400see>>546109192it's literally all that type of fucking nonsense.
>>546109533Legitimately if we had some kind of gatekeeping mechanism as simple as "do you smoke, are you fat, do you exercise, do you drink alcohol, are you dehydrated, are you malnourished," we could do this. If you're a fat McDonald's smoker then fuck off until you're not, then you get the free healthcare.
>>546108568Let's get out of the war first, Abdul.I know the Dems will keep up with continuing resolutions.
>>546108568>John L Smith>look up gen alpah demogrpahics>48% whiteyikes
>>546108568Socialized medicine doesn't work if most of your population is non-White and low IQ. The NHS in Europe has been more dysfunctional now than ever because of all the niggers and browns. There's also the matter of jeet doctors with fake degrees being the only one's willing to work for cheap. More people are dying from medical malpractice now more than ever, this will do nothing but make it worse.
>>546108940spending hundreds of thousands to keep boomers alive for a couple more years is retarded
>>546108568I'm sorry, but did a jew tell him to do that?Then no, he won't ever do anything like that. You...don't get this?
>>546109845It's expensive without that. It shouldn't be expensive for Boomers to do it...because life after 60 is just doctors every weekBoomers are not relevant.
>>546109485Trump should trade healthcare for real mass deportations. That's affordable.
>>546109814>gatekeep medical care you're forced to pay forHow about kill yourself and save society the cost of coddling another retard.
>>546108732You mispelled winner
>>546109657Gov paycheck and benefits?
>>546109770>austerity fixes problemslol, lmao even
>>546108722As usual, the fucker who will yank the trolley and kill 50 white people and 1 nigger rather than saving 50 white people and 5 niggers because the latter decision means that 5 niggers get to live.
Honestly if the federal government opened their own pharmaceutical factories, health care cost would plummet
>>546108568Key jangling is always based. Zero exceptions.
>>546108867This anon is correct. Everyone here is paying healthcare for NIGGERS ILLEGALS LIKE SPICS and BOOMERS. But they refuse to accept the help for themselves.
>>546109814This would kill so many niggers it's unreal.
>>546108568Free healthcare isn't the solution everyone thinks it is, what ends up happening is doctors no long have to maintain a practice as a business, the quality of care drops significantly, wait times increase and it distinctivises quality, they end delivering subpar care and service, and have an infinite revolving door of customers, regardless of the quality of their care.Imagine being able to run a coffee shop where you have a monopoly on coffee customers, you no longer have to compete in the industry in order to maintain good business standingFree healthcare can work, but I can guarantee you in America it's just going to lower the overall quality of care - what we really need to start doing is replacing non-specialists with AI - which is a far better solution than free healthcare
>>546109905getting a yearly physical and bloodwork costs $250. Thats all anyone needs to be healthy, along with not smoking, drinking, doing drugs or being fat
>>546110021Republikikes keep telling them there's virtue in poverty. There ain't.
>>546110044>You only need to check your health to be healthyIncredibly reductive and retarded statement.
>>546109118This I had to wait almost 3 years for a family doctor in Canada, when an AI doctor could have easily replaced the care I needed access to
>>546109774You will get sick. You will fall. You will get cancer. Your children or other loved ones may have this happen. You need access to affordable medical care.
>>546110098>wealth is government dependency
>>546108568healthcare already guaranteed, tranny... you just have to pay for it with your own money
>>546109395there's no such thing as $29 healthcare in the US, you're paying 10x that at the absolute minimum while getting the same 29 bucks standard of care that's the problem with US healthcare, it's at least a magnitude more expensive than anywhere else for the same quality of care
>>546108568You act like Trump doesn't want universal healthcare despite him running on that platform in previous presidential bids. You can have it but you have to pay into it, it's the tax that people don't want so you won't get it.
>>546108568naming it trumpcare is going to actually work lmao
>>546110044be less dumb
>>546110103its true though
>>546109995It doesn't, but if you choose austerity at least you can control what is not going to get paid.2026 budget was $7.4T with $5T in revenue and $2T borrowed. In 2026, $1.36T was paid in interest. By the end of 2027 that will double and it has to come from somewhere.
>>546109196>greece
>>546110230It will lol
>>546110271You're wrong
>>546108929>Single-payer healthcare is just cheaper.it generally is yes. But I'm not going to hold my breath for the politician that is going to instantly make 10% (or more) of the workforce unemployed.
>>546110244if you arent fat, dont drink, smoke or do drugs and are dygenic with some genetic disease then you will never need more than a yearly physical and bloodwork to ensure you are healthy and all that costs is $250. If you engage in dangerous behavior then you should pay your own healthcare
>>546110133This. Anyone with an uncensored Qwen instance should be able to practice medicine. Anyone over 18 should be able to buy whatever the hell they want from the pharmacy. Let 'real medical professionals' justify their premium. Trademark law is all the protection they need. So many problems fixed in so little time.
>>546109400this. I've been asking for something to help with unable to focus since being a wee child and everyone says it's aderall but doctors tell me no and won't take my money to prescribe it. so decades later still no aderal and just smoke weed so I can numb myself instead
>>546110350im not see >>546110376
>>546110044imagine trusting jew (now indians) with physical and bloodwork. I rather not and just die when I die
>>546110400the Rx for you is euthanasia
>>546108568NOTHING IS FREE! NOTHING! Stupid people.
>>546110481imagine going to a jeet doctor instead of picking the youngest, hottest blonde to grab your balls whilst your turn your head and cough
>>546110376being tested for things doesn't ensure health, it only reports state of health.you think without full thoughts.this is why we don't want to be taxed for your healthcare, it's not my job to make sure you're ok.
>>546110530imagine thinking you have a choice when it comes to insurance companies.
>>546108722You currently pay more for healthcare per capita than countries with public health services.
>>546110148It literally is. The wealthy depends on the government. And you fund it.
>>546108568We could have free healthcare if Israel didn't exist. JFK would have not been assassinated and 9/11 would have never happened as well. Basically everything bad that happens is because of Israel and the people from there who control our government. :^)
>>546110400>I've been asking for something to help with unable to focus since being a wee childhave you tried turning the fucking electronic devices off and just sitting in fucking silence until you figure out how to use your mind correctly?why do you think institutionalization works?
This is your last chance billionaires.Luigi is an isolated incident. ....for now
>>546110588>currentlythis is the irrelevant part of your statement.prices fluctuate and since we're on the cusp of the next paradigm in human existence we can only surmise that prices will either go down or we go extinct.
>>546110710why do you think billionaires are to blame for the insurance companies being fucked up?
>>546110592>The wealthy depends on the governmentIs that why the government lets private banks issue the currency? Because the wealthy depend on them? Are you sure it's not the other way around?
>>546109935Stop being fat you pig
>>546110577im anti insurance retard, you should pay for everything out of pocket
>>546109200>They don’t understand how money worksThat's big talk from someone who probably gets an hourly wage that is probably in the teens. Anon, if you can't afford healthcare that's nature's way of telling you that you should just fucking die because you're not contributing enough to be worth saving.
>>546110359How would it impact the employment of 10% of the population? You still need people for administration of the plan, only now it's just one payor instead of many. Also, like in the UK, you can still get private insurance if you want.
>>546108722I’m white and would just quit working a traditional job. Maybe write hindi erotica
>>546110805>im anti insurancewhich has nothing to do with the insurance companies locking down your choice of doctors so you can't pick the hot blonde and only get the jeet.stay on track, anon.you're getting too hot headed.
>>546110767>stacy shits out 5 niglets and i have to pay for themhave sex incel>boomer jones needs me to socialize his medicinestop being fathow about you worthless eaters stop stealing my oxygen?
>>546108568Leftists don't understand supply and demand, they need to be thrown off helicopters we can't rehabilitate them
>>546109395>$29/molol, lmao even
>>546110183Words are cheap and he's done nothing in his two terms other than cut health services so until he makes a genuine effort in trying to make things better then he's just a dirty liar like every other politician
>>546110385>This. Anyone with an uncensored Qwen instance should be able to practice medicineWell, I wouldn't simply hand out medical licenses to randoms with a Qwen instance - that would just cause an epidemic of roasties and cat ladies trying to masquerade horoscope tier assistance as medical care but I think we've reached a point where model specially trained on healthcare can meet or exceed the thresholds required for walk-in type clients with minor issues, especially surrounding mental health>Anyone over 18 should be able to buy whatever the hell they want from the pharmacy.Yes, but with regulations, you should have a card where you can walk into a place with an AI prescription, scan your card and it unlocks medicine much like a Pharmacy, but there should be strict limitations for refills and antibiotics and such (roasties will load their kids up with whatever they can get their hands on) but I should be able to walk in, scan my shit and have it dispense whatever basic prescriptions I need access to. If I decide to eat 200 blood thinners because reasons that's nobody else's problem but my own>Let 'real medical professionals' justify their premium.I think human based care should be strictly delegated to specialists, we still need good surgeons, oncologists and cardiologists and such, especially in the realm of neurosurgery and science, but these blithering retards who can't discern a basic canker sore have got to go, they're just a drain on the system and are mostly just a barrier to care at this pointI literally just had to abandon access to a Social Worker because the incompetent retard couldn't even navigate her own desktop computer, and hung up the fucking phone while trying to "help" me gain access to critical resources, I went home and just used AI to help me figure it out, which it did.>10 cents worth of electricity, or $38+ an hour? The math is simple here
i want to trans illegals and children
>>546108568>Guarantee healthcare Is non negotiable.This works both ways.They're not going to do anything for Whites under age 50.
>>546111040yeah, but you're not american so your take on any of our topics literally doesn't matter.
>>546110762So its symbiotic. Why do you run optics for billionaires? And for free?
>>546108568>lets just pay doctors for the shit jobs they do subsidize big pharma even more and get ourselves further into debt.I understand abdul is a doctor and want to see all his doctor friends get paid. But this nigga dont know shit from dick about american economy
>>546111106he's right tho
>>546108733why dont they just take vitamin d
>>546110359We're in a culture of anticipating mass unemployment.
>>546111138>why do you not eat up my sub80 IQ populist rhetoric?>you're not a bootlicker are you? you're not a class traitor are you?i love how left-wing politics enable poverty stricken trash to larp as badass psychopaths
>>546108722It's for YOU and your family dumb nigger
>>546111138The fuck are you even talking about? Do you think billionaires are going to pay for your healthcare? This country hasn't taxed the rich since the 1860s.
>>546109232>$4200/year >for even an average familyWhat insurance you selling cause I bet you have the highest sales of any insurance salesman out there with a premium that low. Unless youre just clueless to the price of healthcare...
>>546110949hey retard without insurance you just choose whatever doctor you want and pay them directly
>>546108568I'm all for it. Fire it up, and hell, give nigger 10k every month too. Triple the tax rate and enact a draft. What could anyone say against it?
>>546111317Hey dumbass, thats the average cost without insurance, learn to read. You pay out of pocket
>>546108919Wowow dont talk about European systems and efficiency lmao you fucking retardEvery system here is failing, they cut more and more every yearDoes a hospital visit bankrupt me? No but the amount it should cost and the amount it cost is anything but efficient, the system is completely fucked with parasitic entities sucking it dry
>>546110642retard, I grew up when playing with sticks in the yard until dark was the norm and when my parents had no idea where I was until I showed up home. I can't focus, I can't read books.. I read the first sentence and immediately doze off into a day dream thinking about something from that first sentence then when I snap out of it few min later I can't remember what I read and need to re-read it again only to rinse and repeat. I don't go to doctors, I hate doctors, I hate hospitals and you will not see me in one unless I wake up there after an accident or some shit. point I was making, tranny, is that some people want medical help and unable to get it because jew doctors refuse to prescribe while other trannies like you just present to a Dr. Jew and leave their office with a book worth of prescriptiosn
>>546109269I, too, watch lots of TV
>>546109400
>>546109995It fixes the budget shortfall the problems have been piling up for decades for it to come to austerity and clearly the debt hasn't fixed the problem if the debt keeps growing. Like an amputation isn't going to fix an arm that's in necrosis but it will save the body. Perhaps next time start getting stuff fixed before you need your hand amputated.
>>546108568inb4 leftoids refuse to vote for free healthcare because they want to add mandatory troon surgery for all kids to the bill.
>>546108568 taxes are haram
>>546109389Man, its like having closed borders matters. Too bad you sold out to Elon because BBG told you he loves Ronald Reagan
>>546108568Trump won't do it unless he gets a cut somehow.
>>546109427>I don't need to see a doctorokay what happens if you go outside tomorrow and get hit by a bus?now you do. another thing people don't understand is that emergency rooms don't turn you away if you're uninsured or broke. emergency care is 10x more expensive to the taxpayer and hospitals than doing preventive care, which is why every report on the costs of m4a shows it would save taxpayers money since you wouldn't have emergency rooms full of people who could have had their issues fixed months earlier for 10% the cost but couldn't because they didnt have insurance or insurance didn't cover it, so they had to have a fucking heart attack before getting wheeled in on a stretcher
>>546111379This is why you guys American soldiers are about to coup right and the secretary of war just literally gave an award to a US marine that shouted at him.
>>546108568An offer he can't refuse.
>>546108568sure just audit all the medicair medicaid food stamps etc and re-organize it into healthcare for all.but that means no more paying niggers to have kidsand 'gender affirming care' is not healthcare
>>546109485The militsry worked quite welll until private enterprises needed to get contracts.NASA got to the Moon in the 1960s, something BasedBoi Elon is too busy being privatized to do, despite unrealized ambitions about Mars.The gocernment used to regulate and control large businesses and prevented bad shit until Reagan showed up.
>>546108733Don't worry kid, once you're older than 26 and no longer on mommy and daddy's healthcare plan you will understand.
>>546111625>get hit by a bus?You die? Why do you think you're required by laws of physics to survive forever?
>>546108919>The private Healthcare system is an absolute failure...more expensive and inefficient than any single payer European style systemThis is undeniably true, but at the same time, I do sympathize with the conservative types who claim healthcare is not a right. Granted, "rights" really don't mean anything in this world, but what irks me more is just how much of a racket the US health insurance system is. It clearly only exists because a group of powerful people have made a business out of taking people's money and denying them the assistance they pay for, all because a board of investors demands that LINE GOES UP every year, moreso than the last.And even that alone wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that these health insurance kingpins basically control our government in order to maintain their income and lifestyles at any cost. Many times, they claim bigger profits from direct government subsidies than they do actually collecting from enrolled individuals. People always bitch about poor people getting healthcare on their tax dollars, but I'd happily have that my tax dollars going directly into jewish pockets.I'm not stupid enough to think it'll ever change in my lifetime, though. Universal Healthcare polls extremely well with a majority of Americans, which is exactly why they'll never even let it get close to being an option. The evergreen wisdom is that nobody will allow you to vote their wealth away, whether they earned it or not, and that's effectively what universal healthcare would be doing to some of the richest, most powerful faggots in the US.
>>546108568"Dr" wasn't that sandnigger caught lying about being a doctor?
>>546109756Youre an idiot. Insurance has the bargaining power. You pay kore out of pocket to pay for people who cannot pay.
>>546109842Maybe, uh, you make it like a real government thing so only citizens can use it and be doctors in it?Stupud fucking miggers.
>>546111820>koreFuck off, jeet. Don't talk about White people stuff you fucking shit-eating savage.
>>546111040I'm not defending him, the guy is a leftist deliberately trying to tear the right-wing base apart.
>>546108568for anyone who isn't brainwashed and already set on an opinion: all public healthcare systems are ponzi schemesNO MATTER what, they all depend upon an ever growing population of payers, that outgrows and outearns the population of beneficiaries; this is a textbook definition of a ponzi schemethis is a natural result of human healthcare expenses growing with aging, but human productivity approaching 0 with agingwhen systems like that were implemented in the past, their ponzi-like nature was camouflaged by the facts that>humans didn't really live past a certain age very often>young people used to breed like rabbitsbut now that both of these facts are obsolete, the ponzi nature of a healthcare system has never been more obviousthere is no conceivable way to make a healthcare system work in a sustainable way, just like there's no conceivable way to make a ponzi-scheme work outthe current strategy all over the world is to kick the can down the road via debt/inflation, with occasional bandaid fixes like raising retirement ages or pushing for medically assissted suicide, because the societal impact of dropping public healthcare now that it is so thoroughly entrenched as an institution would be potentially country-ruiningmutts who don't understand this fail to realize that not having allowed universal healthcare to entrench itself into the fabric of society is one of the few positive things just barely keeping your country togetherbut if you want to sacrifice your country so that a 90yo boomer can extend his life for another 2 months after a quadruple bypass surgery for free i guess it's your funeral
>>546111820You pay less if you tell them you don't have insurance. My aunt never used insurance and always got way cheaper prices for medical and dental. I've also tested this in the past.
>>546111820Lol its literally impossible for insurance to be cheaper than out of pocket because insurance company has to pay for their buildings and staff and shit and turn a profit. Insurance is a scam where the healthy pay for the unhealthy
>>546109400>The left is so over medicalized it's insaneAnon, I'm gonna have to get a second opinion from a proctologist because I'm pretty sure this is coming straight out of your ass.
>>546108733Someone has to pay for their pill popping addiction
>>546111338A shitload more, too. Doctors cannot turn away a patient, and out of pocket lolberts are where they make their money back.
I just wish it was cheaper. I am pretty sure I have nasal polyps from when I was a wagie and occasionally had to breathe monoethylamine cleaner fumes as well as spray bottles of alcohol all day to clean electronics, plus rosin flux fumes. Had some awful congestion. Doctor just gave me ipatrium bromide and bullshit and it barely helped. I wake up with a sore throat a lot and I worry I'm starting to mouth breathe which will ruin my jawline even more. I'm not fat I'm thin and exercise but I lost my job so now I can't get it taken care of because my state health care deductible is like 7k. I would happily pay 250 for the exam tfor hey would actually fucking do it, but I'm not paying 250 for some dogshit "consultation" and more drugs. I want the fuckin exam.
>>546108568Now he' s a doctor?
>>546111640That wasnt a Marine. It was a Soldier, retard.
>>546111758Very easy to be a lolbert when you live with mom and dad.
>>546112027lmao its cheaper to pay out of pocket, go ask any doctor what they bill insurance vs what they charge out of pocket. Its like 1/4 the price
>>546108568oligarchs will start ww3 before giving up their extraction cash cowbots running interference for these entities primarily attempt to shift blame towards leftists, homeless, immigrants, etc. and useful idiots eat it upin reality its just greed at the expense of the american people
>>546108722>browns exist so everyone must suffer
>>546111982Which already happens. When you pay out of pocket, they overcharge you for every broken dick that cant afford treatment.
>>546111871*moreTypo.But since youre the one pushing Elon "the migrant" Musk talking points, your the brownoid.
>>546111970>You pay less if you tell them you don't have insurance.Sometimes you pay so much less that nobody even fucking knows and you have to wait until someone looks it up. I've paid out of pocket for a bunch of procedures that ended up being under 50 bucks. It isn't until you require anethesia that the price starts to really get insane.
Niggers on welfare already get healthcare for free, it's called medicaid. Only wagecucks have to pay for expensive insurance kek
>>546112247lol. Fuck off, brown. Never address White people without permission you piece of shit.
>>546112181its the opposite bud, you are retarded and should feel embarrassed
miggers love being chained to their jewish employers for private health insurance.
>>546108568fresh breeze in the politics
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>>546108568Yeah. People voted against it. People voted for me VETO so they get mr VETO
>>546109164>uhm who is going to deny the insurance claims then, chud?Yeah that's a shit argument.
I used to be against it but the current system is SO bad that universal healthcare might be less. Maybe this was the plan all along but I cannto emphasize how this system combines the worst of private and public healthcare.
>>546109164medicare for all wouldn't displace workers. medicare and medicaid are administered by private insurers who adjudicate claims.
>>546108722Brother, you already are>t. medfag
>>546108733Don't they go on Reddit or something with photos of all the pills they "need" in a day? I worked in an office where I think everyone but me was on some sort of anti-anxiety meds.
>>546108568He's such an arrogant prick. I really hope someone smacks him back into place.
>>546112865yup, everyone with opinions you dont agree with is required to post their pill stack on reddit while simultaneously being unable to afford healthcare and having too much of it
>>546108568https://share.google/aimode/9DBzmP0LqQ2iLGtvdNahZero to negative sum moveMotion denied.Court adjourned.And next time I need help just send me to a motel and give me pills.
>>546112943Who, Trump?
>>546111290Ok doomer. Go back to fuentes.
>>546111264Sorry im not down to help greedy selfish cunts.
>>546108568>DonaldDisrespectful cunt. Who the fuck elected a raghead for senator?
>>546108568There is no such thing as free healthcare but rather who is paying the bill and if the government can afford war they can afford insulin for all on repeat! This message was sponsored by:>https://trumprx.gov/
I know people can vote but really you should try and arbitrate. You get in holes like this. Maybe literally if you don't take it as a joke to do telehealth in motels and take your pills preventatively that would be cheap...That's all you're getting sirs
>>546108733They don't pay for it now, so they don't see how expensive it is and want those of us who do pay for it to not only buy ours, but also buy theirs.
>>546108733You can control people's entire lives if they depend on you for healthcare.
>>546111907Trump's presidency actually makes more sense when viewed that way
>>546108568hospital already have to treat you tho
>>546112732I agree. Also socialism is inevitable so let's go ahead and get this acceleration started. This hybrid fag system is somehow more expensive and ridiculous.
>>546108919It cant possibly be less efficient than the NHS. The problem is just insurance. For some reason everyone has to pay the cost of getting surgeries every year despite not actually getting surgeries every year, but if you pay out of pocket it costs like 10x more because insurance companies can (((negotiate))) a cheaper price. Its obviously a massive jewish scam. Insurance shouldnt be profitable or else its a scam, yet they are some of the biggest business in the world. If medical providers werent allowed to discriminate against out of pocket payers by charging them more, the while system would fix itself.
>>546109118lmao, we still have to deal with 6 month long waits for specialists while paying out the wazhoo. Most of the time the ‘specialists’ will end up declaring some bullshit like Bducks or unknown and don’t give a shit
Also I'm going to love watching all my liberal doctorfag friends go suicidal when they realize their salary gets cut by -70% under a single payer system.
>>546110756Cause it's their companies?
>>546112943>>546113307seething miggers kek
>>546113450It would be another thing if the money we saved on healthcare went to something useful and improved America, but nearly every big city is shit and we spend it all on wars for Israel.
>>546108568miggers seething, i hope the dems go full commy gulag on corrupt miggers as well
>>546112166>browns exist so everyone must sufferthanks for pointing out the obvious
>>546108722You already fund shitskins Healthcare you dumbass.
>>546108919>The private Healthcare system is an absolute failure100%. Hospitals are understaffed because it pays more to go work at a surgery center or other off site facilities. Why would you work at a hospital long hours and treated like a pissant when you can go make 30%+ more working at an easier job
>>546108929When I make an appointment with my doctor I get in the same or next day. This is because my doctor doesn't accept medicare or medicaid patients because the government stiffs doctors when it comes to reimbursement. My in-laws are physicians. They'll buy a vaccine for $28 that needs to be refrigerated. They charge $60 for it to cover the cost of administering it, and paying to store it. Average insurance will negotiate it down to $40-$45. The government reimburses for $25; not even enough to cover the initial cost.Under a medicare for all system where private doctors and insurance couldn't operate you wouldn't see the doctor more, you'd see him less, because of the induced shortages. If you force a worker to sell a product for less than it costs to make, he just stops making it. Doctors won't provide treatments that are a net loss, and if they themselves are underpaid, they'll just retire.
Between lower prices and mass layoffs in private insurance, single-payer healthcare is likely to be a deflationary event.You want lower taxes, not higher.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGhF1jO4ZbM
>>546110993>>546110161are you retarded? It absolujtely exists, it cocers exactly what Canadian health care does, almost nothing You realize we pay just as much for perscription meication as americans do and shit like cancer isn't covered at all right?
>>546110000These reminds me of why people were also against UBIThey'd rather suffer with people they hate than flourish with them...What a tragedy
>>546113882Doctors are artificially limited by professional orgs, which prop them up and allow them to not see patients. Remove the limit and you'll see more and we can stop importing 3rd world retards. Hospital administrators chew up all the costs and continue to do so, they're the worthless kikes of all business. People that do literally nothing and suck up part of the profit as a middle man. Fix the real problems.
>>546108568You dropped this
>>546113882you're conflating service costs with product costs. medicare covers most vaccines and flu shots, so it sounds like they've done a poor job of sourcing at competitive prices.
>>546114025You realize the rich keep their wealth in real assets and only use loans to get cash right? Hyperinflation empowers them to spend a bigger piece of the pie because they can pay off old loans with new loans sooner. While never paying taxes on any of it.
>>546108890Retard
>>546108568Honestly I could see him doing it just so he can hang his hat on it.
>>546113133>doomerThe same US government did 88 genocides and the rape of Atlanta before my grandpa was even born, but they'd never go after ME. I do everything I'm told.>fuentesIs this glow in the dark boy toucher seriously the face of counterculture to you?
>>546114025UBI is exact opposite of free health care. It's the capitalist solution to automation, here's money make use of the free markets to get a best deal. UBI doesn't quarantee free health care, you have to pay for health care and if you spend your money on chips and donuts and die obese because you can't afford your insulin that's entirely on you which is exactly the same (or should be) outcome without free healthcare.
wait im under 26. r u forced to buy healthcare? dont u get it through work?
Give me a compelling reason that it can’t be done other than an anecdote about how you don’t need it or that one time you paid $50 for a kidney transplant, or just simply saying “Non-whites will be better off in an abstract way and we can’t have that”The first response I can somewhat understand because in America, the effect and reaction of politics only extends as far as any individual’s personal bubble. The latter one is the most frustrating that I ever see /pol/ manifest because it’s implying that spics and niggers are just so powerful that they stonewall any opportunity for improvement.
>>546108568It benefits someone other than jews, so he will never do it
>>546108568>Guarantee healthcare Is non negotiable.a promise of universal love and ponies is the easiest way to tell whos unserious
>>546109196>they will conclude that it's all because of the richirrelevant> and degenerate into a fully state-run economy already most of the way there>as their botched tax policies fail to yield the expected returns and capital flight beginscapital flight is aka outsourcing and it already happened
>>546108568The commi brigadiers are really out in full force to get us to pay for niggers welfare. The fact is we're already a communist country with no end in sight to the collapse of human civilization, if youre paying taxes at all youre just feeding the parasites that are destroying our society. Might just be time to cahnge course, socialize everything until the system collapses because its obvious that working and having a job and not being a retarded nigger gives you a significantly worse life than being a parasite.
>>546109400>being a fucking hypochondriac going in and out of 9 different doctor's offices for a bunch of shit that doesn't even materially affect them, and barely exists on paper.welfare is the only way to live in a country with 50% unemployment
>>546114465real men don't go to the doctor. real men suffer through curable illnesses
>>546114465We already pay more per capita on healthcare than a lot of countries with cradle to grave coverage. With worse results. The federal government is practically incapable.
>>546108722There's too many to reply to, so to each and every one of you:I hope everyone you love dies of a preventable illness, I hope your friends get crippled and go into debt before killing themselves. I hope the very worst for each and one of you parasitic faggots.I will not willingly vote to pay for your bullshit just because your weak genes made you poor. American taxes are for American interests, not hand outs for poor, useless faggots here and aboard (aka the faggot foreign aid including but not limited to Pissreal).Please kill yourselves.
>>546114577>richest country on the planet cant afford basic healthcare for its own citizensyou can tell whos mind broken by how much they suck oligarch cock
>>546114802the issue with american healthcare is americans are fat pigs who eat garbage food.
>>546112614Did she died?
>>546109770> austerityie> cutting the government services that were lyingly promised to retarded cunts for votes
>>546110044Spoken like a true retard with cancer cells somewhere in his body multiplying right now
>>546109842historically, only rich people went to doctors, and doctors caused people to die as often as they stopped them from dying
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>>546114903Not really because fat people die faster. From a TCO standpoint you want everyone to drop dead at 55.
>>546110502Yes we know. But single payer is much much less than the private Healthcare bullshit we have now. That's all that fucking matters
>>546108568they don't want healthcare what they really want is a guarantee they will be healthy without taking even an ounce of personal responsibility for themselves. I say give them what they want and prescribe sex change ops and chemical lobotomy for anybody who demands medical attention.
>>546110805>just pay $28000 for that PETscan broRetard
>>546108733Healthcare is expensive. I'm in favor of universal healthcare for shit like necessary surgeries and rabies vaccines.I was on Medicaid a while back and had to have two comparatively MINOR surgeries after an accident to keep from being a lifelong cripple. The bill before coverage was upwards of $30,000 for less than 3 hours of surgical time. Walked away without owing a penny.Before someone says "hurr durr, pay cash for 90% off" -- cite some actual sources. Personally, I've never seen a hospital give more than 50% off for cash.50% of $30,000 is $15,000. Do you have $15,000 lying around? Can you guarantee that you'd consistently be able to make payments on a payment plan?"Hurr durr insurance" -- okay, now your out-of-pocket might be $7500. Still a lot of money for most people.And again, that's minor surgery. Major reconstructive surgery can run into hundreds of thousands.
>>546115273how do u get into an accident though? i don't get it
>>546110912>You still need people for administration of the plan, only now it's just one payor instead of many.you answered your own question
>>546108722NO YOU MUST FUND THE TRANSGENDERISTS SO THEY CAN CHOP OFF KIDS JUNK AND TITSI FUCKING HATE TROONS
>>546108919NOT IF ALL THE KIDS HAVE BEEN TRANSGENDERFIEDTHEN ITS $200,000 PER KIDFOR LIFE
>>546115273>reddit spacing
>>546109200basedthe average person doesn't know shit. and the saddest part is you'd expect /pol/ to be better, because its people who are interested in politics and also actively want to discuss things in full freedom of expression. but not really.they dont understand how anything works. they think boomers just so happened to have a better life but now things are worse and they "just don't get it!!", as if boomers aren't the reason things got worse. and not because they're old but because they're evil.the government prints a gorillion dollars or euros and when prices increase they think the grocery stores got greedy.the government demands a gorillion permits, licenses, paperwork, bureaucratic procedures, environmental regulations, and wait times, to allow home construction, and they think landlords got greedy.they're hopeless. epstein was right about goycattle.
>>546110588It is true Americans pay more than anyone else. It's also true that cancer patients have better health outcomes in the USA than anywhere else. We pay more and get more. Incremental ways to bring costs under control are welcome, but not throwing out wholesale our current health system and exactly copying a system we know costs less in part because it does less to keep people alive.If under your system I may have to pay privately if I want chemotherapy instead of MAID, I'll skip the middleman and stay with purely private insurance.
>>546115521You fucking imbecile. That was a rare, actually high quality comment based on that anon's personal experience on the topic.I don't necessarily agree with him. I think the first step to fixing the way healthcare is in the US is to fix the root of the problem making it expensive. And then maybe making it universally subsidied, that is also not necessarily wrong. I'd just rather support fixing the root of the current problem first.Also on reddit spacing. Separating paragraphs with an empty line is not reddit spacing. You're an imbecile and also ironically a newfag, as you don't even remember what reddit spacing originally meant, or why it was said.I shouldn't take retards this seriously, but the "reddit spacing" thing frustrates me. I keep seeing it, and will keep seeing it, and it's so frustratingly retarded. Because redditors are a bunch of insufferable and mentally ill manchildren, but apparently you think the problem with redditors is that they separate paragraphs.Back when I still had a reddit account for niche topics I was interested in (ended up deleting it altogether because I was just sick of redditors and reddit mods), I once DMd three redditors pretty much at random, for questions on something they commented on. One of them was a black single mom, another, an autist who talked like early versions of chatGPT (but back before it'd be feasible for him to be AI), and the other was a 40 year old NEET who was enraged at his dad because he wanted mcd but the dad got him burger king. Another redditor I had disagreed on also looked through my post history and mocked me for a disease I posted about. The reason redditors are despised is not fucking "spacing".
>>546115819>>546110588Lots of US healthcare cost and lack of life expectancy is about keeping niggers alive and failing to save them from themselves. US can't be compared to first world countries because of the demographics and the fact that US doesn't have universal healthcare is the reason why they are still rich enough for the comparison with Germany to not be laughable. None of the systems OP chose to include could survive the demographics of USA and no comparative African country for instance was included (which quite often have universal healthcare actually being highly socialist hellholes).
>>546115999The US is "richer" than Germany because it is monetarily sovereign, that sovereign currency is the global reserve currency (this means almost everything in the world is priced in dollars), and they have more natural resources than Germany.
>>546115999that's retarded, US healthcare is actively sabotaged by its government, its like housing, they intentionally make it expensive because it "creates value" or something
>>546108733>what is with leftoids and healthcare? its like a weird cult religion
>>546113486>it can't possibly be less efficient than NHSDoes someone on NHS have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars before getting a life saving surgery?Also it is incredibly inefficient like. In network, out of network. Surprise billing. Co-pays. Deductibles. Long wait times. Tons of jeet docters and latina nurses..Nigger it's the same fucking efficiency just more expensive to the end user.
>>546108733I would absolutely let them have their “free” healthcare if we got to deport every illegal and redefine birthright citizenship. It’s too late for that now, they already won.
>>546115273>two comparatively MINOR surgerieswhich exact surgeries
>>546108568Lol lmao even. Implying you will get better care under socialst healthcare. I only work better if im paid by that person. Some obscure neet, gypsy or hobbo doesnt interest me and will wait in line for months or years. Taxpayers will get cooked even more while getting less. Imbeciles everywhere in world. I have seen this shit for 10 years in european hospitals doing my job.
>>546116314man im sorry to say this but even if you could deport all immigrants, you'd still have to deal with boomersi'd absolutely support deportations, don't get me wrong. but things would still be pretty bleak.
>>546116425Penis removal. Vagina addition.
>>546116162it's because we de-industrialized yet stick to an industrial era relationship with work. They're jobs programs, in other words. Both "healthcare" and "housing", giant jobs programs that also farm debt out of the population.
>>546116489Boomers are already starting to die off. The youngest ones are in their mid 60s
>>546108722>>546108733kek republicans doubling down on being anti-life, pro rape and pro israel
>>546115819But how much of that expenditure is going to keeping old people alive just a little bit longer? It’s not worth it.
>>546116541mid 60s means there's going to be decades for them to be gone, and even still, many millenials are going to have a similar mindset as them. we talk like only boomers are bad but the fact is that millenials are raised by them
>>546108568Its a really, really expensive table though.
>>546116232>Does someone on NHS have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars before getting a life saving surgery?No they are put on a waiting list until they die instead. Way cheaper.
>>546108919Adding more bureaucracy and administrative costs is not going to fix healthcare.
>>546108568So this asshole wants me to lose health care? I'm a white guy. I already know how these Democrats treat me today. Why in the fuck would I want to grant them that kind of power over my life?Universal healthcare proponents are GREEDY and EVIL. They just want to deny me services because they hate white people.
>>546111456shit I am exactly like thisI would ask if you've found any ways to deal with it but it doesn't look like it
>>546108722this.just put the money into military actions to purge the parasites from western nations instead, that would be a way better investment
>>546108733>why do communists want all this control?
>>546108568>TrumpCarekek this would probably actually catch his attention
>>546108722THE FUNNY PART IS THAT YOU’RE ALREADY DOING IT ANHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>>546116878>Adding more bureaucracy and administrative costs is not going to fix healthcare.private insurance is the definition of bureaucracy and administrative overhead. how many insurers exist, how many plans do they offer, and how many health plan sponsors (employers etc.) exist?
>>546112166we could live like kings or like brownsyou made your choice, now fuck off to india to be operated by Jeet McJeetstein with a rusty scalpel (btw his religion forbids him to wash his hands)
>>546116883universal healthcare is for all citizensyou might even get therapy covered for your persecution complex
>>546108568It only took 10 years for one leftist to figure out the right approach to work with Trump. These people are so retarded. He probably would've supported all their shit if they hadn't been adversarial at ever opportunity. Fortunately, most of them aren't as clever as this guy.
>>546108568He wouldnt do that to the jewish hedgefunds parasites that eat up everything and drive prices up up up
>>546116883You’re currently paying for all the brown people to get free health care. Might as well just let them get their “free universal healthcare” and benefit from it. Also, who do you think will be working in hospitals when you’re old? You’re fucked either way. It’s fucking bleak.
>>546114765Trump has fucked up so bad that they will pass reparations next Presidential cycleGet ready to pay your money to niggers directlyThey will live like kings and you will live like a slave
>>546114802>We already pay more per capita on healthcare than a lot of countries with cradle to grave coverage.Exactly. The United States federal government already spends $7k per person per year on healthcare. $2.5 trillion in spending divided by a population of 350 million of which about 40% are eligible for Medicare or Medicaid. That's JUST the government, not private health spending.Increasing coverage from 40% to 100% is a 2.5x increase. If governmental health care spending multiplied by 2.5x and private health care spending fell to zero we would overall be spending more per person than we are now, with the benefit that now everyone has the same standard of care received by people on Medicaid.The "Medicare for all" people are largely people who have no idea how healthcare in the USA works, likely as they're on their parents' plans. The poor are already covered. It's not great and it's not cheap. Expanding that to everyone would be awful.
>>546108722You already do. All health care is funded collectively. No 1 person covers the cost of the entire hospital, staff, electricity bills etc with their insurance payments. Health care is a collectivesed endeavour by nature.
>>546111917>muh if no people pay no people get!bro you’re describing literally any service ever issued
>>546116986That’s what they simply don’t get. Brown goes to the ER and gets treated for a minor cold and never pays. Hospital passes that bill that never gets paid to everyone else and then everyone’s insurance goes up.
>>546108568unironically I do not give a shit what happens to insurance in this country, but please do something about medical costs first or simultaneously.>>546109118>$20000 per year healthcare is something only Americans have access to and they actually treat youcanada has private insurance and healthcare available for those who want to pay for it. underage or vpnfag
>>546114835shut up you fat cunt
>>546117195>They will live like kingsFor like a month maybe, then it will all be gone.
>>546116878Ahh yes...but paying shareholders and executives billions of dollars. Totally efficient. I just love it when I can't get a procedure done because shareholders need better valuations next quarter and the company has to tight their belts a bitYou people have no idea how bad it is. When I was in China and europe I literally got first class world care for pocket change. We are being totally ripped off.
>>546117053it is, but we'd probably have to defend it from conservative retards trying to revoke it for felons.
>>546109400I feel like it would be easier to cover healthcare if we cut out “mental health” entirely. There needs to be some way to separate the genuinely schizo or mentally handicapped from the “I’m quirky and have ADHD and autism!!” people. Also I never understood with more “normie” type people, why the fuck they want to go to 10 different doctors all the time. Of course cleaning up the food supply would help too but at least RFK is trying.
Can someone explain to me why this has to be a federal issue? Why don't they just do that shit in cali and see how it turns out for them? They love bragging about how much money they make each year, just run a local test and see how it goes.
>>546117338Why would revoking it for felons be a bad idea? Felons don’t deserve shit.
>>546117373Sorry anon, looks like you criticized Israel. That's a federal hate-crime.
>>546117371Poor people getting help they need is a danger to our democracy.
>>546110138>You need access to affordable medical care.Right but I'm not going listen to retards who don't understand what that means and think you can just make things free.You know what would give people way better access to healthcare? Get rid of all income tax/entitlement taxes and let people keep 100% of their paycheck.
>>546108733women are nurturers
>>546117373You mutts really need to make your mind up, either you want to reform and reintegrate people inot society , or you üpunish them. Doing both isn't possible. Either you just have felons publically whippend and hanged, then released back. Or you reform them in prison.As is you just lock them up in rotting shitholes with other violent criminals to fight for scraps , become smore crazy and be realeased as half insane murderers. Whats the point of that shit.Just hang them if you're that obsessed with punishments, but intentionally turning them into dysfunctional wrecks with years of shitholing, then releasing them into society is the dumbest thing you could possibly do.
>>546116493No giant breast implants? What are you some kind of fag?
>>546109200> They see 1/3rd of their paycheck get taken and think it’s niggersLook at this fucking idiot. Do you think stats don't exist?Blacks are 1.5X more likely to be uninsured, thus rely on Medicaid, which Americans pay for, as well as free emergency room visits, which they abuse (along with hispanics)Medicaid's coverage is DOMINATED by blacks. 55% blacks vs. 38% whites.That's not even getting into illegals.You CANNOT have a functioning public medical system with these kinds of people. What the FUCK do liberals NOT get about that? I live in Canada and because of the huge influx of Indians here, I often see foreigners who barely speak any english clogging up the system. It's damn near impossible to get a good family doctor anymore. The Emergency wait room time has skyrocketed. The staff are heavily overworked, and many simply actually just leave for the US since they get paid a lot more with less stress.Once again, DEMOGRAPHICS MATTER when it comes to public healthcare. If liberals weren't such fucking idiots, they would understand this.
>>546117490If you yearn so much for our system you can have it. Recently reports came out that for every euro we earn roughly 53 cents go to the state. And they have like 4-5 new taxes lined up while tax breaks for gas and electricity fell through. We don't pay nearly as much as you on the military either, so you'd probably be at 55-60 cents of each dollar earned just to finance the fucking healthcare system we have. It's your money, so do what you want with it, but don't come crying to me when you are suddenly getting raped just as hard as us europeans.
>>546117636You disingenious fuck should maybe mention that our system is fuinded on mutual support. Everything you descirbed is exclusively caused by inviting millions upon millions of freeloaders to take while not contributing anything. We already have a problem due to too many old people, but we could manage that until they die if we didn't have to deal with the brown horde. The worst part are retards like you who are using their beloved browns to argue for abolishing our systems in general.
>>546117313They do understand how bad you're being ripped off. That's how they put an extra story on their house.
>>546116957The Arab commie is pretty smart - it is a solid branding idea.
>>546117551You don't get sent to maximum security without already being half-insane. Minimum security is basically summer camp.>>546117636The difference between German and American healthcare systems is that insurance here is allowed to deny you care outside of an arbitrary "network" system. Also we no longer have compulsory health insurance, but we still have similar "government health insurance" for the poor. Oh yes, also we don't regulate the price of things, and we pay a lot more in taxes for our poor people insurance than you do.You should read more.
>>546117752bro if you think our infinity brown faggots is a problem just look at americas rate of brownoids flooding their country. How many was it under biden? They say it was 20 million, but even if we are conservative with that number and half it it would be 10 million illegals in 4 fucking years. And the types like that abdul faggot don't just want free healthcare. They constantly tout "amnesty for all". You call me disingenious, but you know just as much as I do that there is no end to leftists trying to spend your money.
>>546117313It is the insurance companies and "health benefit management" middlemen that drive the cost up. Luigi was onto something. We also don't train anywhere near enough doctors and nurses, but that is a separate issue.
>>546117636same hereits not just the healthcare system, its a mix of government workers, gibs for niggers, boomer pensions, public schools, public unis, trains etc, on top of paid NGOs and journalists, and of course politician pay
>>546108568>Guaranteed healthcare from cradle to grave.Empty words that mean nothing.Americans already have guaranteed healthcare from cradle to grave, mo hospital in the country will turn away an obviously injured person.The issue is what exactly is meant when people say healthcare. Useful idiots hear "guaranteed healthcare" and assume that it means free HRT, and free experimental cancer treatments pioneered by a single doctor in the whole country, for all. When there isn't a single country in the world that offers that level of "guaranteed healthcare", and useful idiots don't realize that MAIDS can also be considered a form of "guaranteed healthcare". Hell you don't even need to be that blatantly dystopian, an Africa tier system of free bandaids and Tylenol for all distributed from the local clinic also meets the criteria of "guaranteed healthcare".You're being taken for a ride and you won't listen to me until it's too late.
>>546117636Your government transacts in a currency it doesn't issue. This means you need to acquire euros before you can spend them. Comparisons you make with monetary sovereigns aren't applicable.
>>546117827>The difference between German and American healthcare systemsYou mean between your current system and our system. That is not what abdul is proposing. He wants the european style. That's why I opened my post with>if you want our system you can have itBecause once healthcare is state funded the healthcare providers won't give a fuck about denying anyone. The taxpayer pays, there is no risk anymore for them to take on whoever. Actually it might be illegal for them to deny you healthcare if abdul gets his way. You don't just adopt some parts, if healthcare becomes government mandated then you pay government rates and the government carries the risk.
>>546117890Correct on both points. There are also quite a few lower level medications that could be made over the counter. There's already been a lot of success with that with stuff like claritin and differin.
>>546117890>It is the insurance companies and "health benefit management" middlemen that drive the cost upIt's not just them. Pharmaceutical companies and manufacturers of medical equipment also engage in flagrant price gouging, and the system of doctor certification intentionally bottlenecks the supply to keep wages high, acting as a kind of unofficial guild-system. We should be comprehensive and go after all of that shit. It didn't used to be like this.
>>546117636The current idea is to keep the taxes the same, while determining where the money is going. They need something like the department of financial efficiency. DOFE. It's a new idea no one has tried before.
>>546117752>Everything you descirbed is exclusively caused by inviting millions upon millions of freeloaders to take while not contributing anything.yeah, East Germans :3
>>546118185It likely will require lower taxes, not higher taxes. >>546113937
>>546113937>mass layoffs in private insuranceThis is the one part I'm concerned about. What are we going to do with these people?
"Every American". Not "Every American Citizen", just "Every American"....
>>546113937>lower pricesExplain where those are coming from. Right now 40% of the U.S. population is on either Medicare or Medicaid. If there is a way the U.S. government could be spending far less per person, reformers should demonstrate that at the current scale.
Leftoid workers at hospitals denied "MAGA people" medical care merely for their politics.Leftoids are unreasonable tyrants and emotionally unstable and immature narcissists.
>>546114427You have to provide leverage against the government. Make them improve the living conditions of this stupid ass nation. Not lick their fucking boots.
>>546119263>Leftoid workers at hospitals denied "MAGA people" medical care merely for their politics.why are you lying? That's highly illegal
>>546119263And they lost the election for it. That's not gonna fly anymore. Doesn't mean suck republican dick you nigger
>>546114141>you're conflating service costs with product costs. medicare covers most vaccines and flu shots, so it sounds like they've done a poor job of sourcing at competitive prices.You didn't get at all what he was saying. You said "Medicare covers". NO, THEY DON'T. They don't pay the doctor for the service NOR for the product. That was his point. Learn to read, retard.
