The latest Russian conditions>Demilitarization of the ports of Odesa and Mykolaiv;>Special status for the Russian language in Ukraine;>Non-aligned status for Ukraine (which would not prevent accession to the European Union);>Agreements on freedom of navigation in the Black Sea;>Agreements on freedom of navigation in the Baltic Sea;>Prohibition of military bases on the territories of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland;>Restoration of Finland’s status to what it was before joining NATO;>Transformation of the Republic of Moldova into a federal republic comprising Moldova, Transnistria, and Gagauzia. In the event of Moldova’s accession to the European Union, referendums on independence would be held in Transnistria and Gagauzia.Possible steps by Russia:>Withdrawal of nuclear weapons from Belarus;>Commitment not to deploy intermediate-range missiles in Belarus;>Withdrawal of Russian troops from Transnistria in exchange for Moldova adopting a non-aligned status.OR WAR
the ZOG in Kiev will stall any peace talks until we get to stage 3
lol lmao
>>546144699LOL
>>546144847>>546144849there are not much hohols left, EU will have to surrender anyway at that point since no one else is cheap enough to fight, but the conditions will be worse.
>>546144699Hmmmmmm... Nyo!~
>>546144895gay weakling lol
>>546144699War it is
>>546144699At least it's a start to some real discussions. That sounds pretty reasonable too, and I can believe US would agree to terms like that with a few changes.
>>546144699Big if true. These conditions are reasonable enough.. except for the ones on the baltic states and Finland who are not involved in the war. Good start.
>>546145169Yes, Finland and Moldova could be forgiven in my opinion
>>546144699I'm not exactly sure how do they plan to enforce terms on countries that are not part of the war or even at the négociation table?Or is it an optic thing? "We're not failing in a war against Ukraine but against NATO as a whole. They didn't agree to our generous terms but since Russians are peace loving people we compromised"
>>546145198Baltics are literal threat, just listen to what they say. There is no way it is going to end without them being demilitarised
>>546145198>except for the ones on the baltic states and Finland who are not involved in the war.Caribbean crisis ended on similar terms. It doesn't matter that they aren't participating in the war because they are, in effect, a NATO colony that is run by US
>>546145221How are they not a part of the war? I would say baltics and findland are heavily involved, that is obvious.
>>546145169What? Why should you get to dictate the internal decisions of sovereign nations? Israel spent decades blackmailing and bribing their way into getting a free pass. You can't jump straight to Judaic lebensraum without taking the prerequisite steps.
>>546145452>sovereign nationswhich ones?
>>546145169> That sounds pretty reasonable tooLmao. Let me guess, you are also fond of time travel movies, right?
>>546145618Is it true that all smart people left Baltics ones it joined the shengen area?
>>546144699
>>546145452>sovereign nationsThat's a funny joke.Again, take the Cuban Missile Crisis as an example. There’s nothing new here. US says that Finland no longer hosts NATO or US military bases, and that’s what happens. Although that would be far too embarrassing, so I’m betting on some kind of special status for these countries, like on paper they’re protected by NATO but don’t have any bases or something like that. It's an attempt to build a new security architecture: “Get off our borders and let's all live in peace without war”>>546145618Something like this has happened before.
>>546144699Sounds reasonable, NATO has encroached too much on Russia's borders. It's either peace or war, but no country should tolerate this in-between limbo.
>>546144699Peter griffin
>>546145706How about every country that borders russia gets nukes? That would gurantee peace forever
>>546144699>OR WARBased. I like watching russians die.
>>546145618>balt realizes he is not an integral part of NATO's military, economic and political structure
>>546145724yeah like russia can do shit after losing so many men in ukraine. they can either eat our shit or continue dying in ukraine. Deal?
>>546144699>Prohibition of military bases on the territories of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland;Lol, lmao even
>>546145786No one in this world is ever going to give you nukes. It would basically guarantee a nuclear war over shithole with less people than most states.
>>546145260>There is no way it is going to end without them being demilitarisedBecause if they do demilitarise there's no way Russia will still attack them, right? Right? Anyone with a brain would tell Putin to go fuck himself.
>>546144699Also forgot the condition that this dude needs at least twenty pounds of pelmeni and three gallons vodka a day for life or else he’ll eat Zelensky
>>546145916why would russia attack them if there is no threat?
maybe they could make a compromise, Russia doesn't attack, invade or meddle with anyone of their neighbours for the next 30 years, then yeah
>>546144699Russians are so delusional that it's just sad at this point.
>>546145940Russian borders end nowhere.
>>546145984Thirty-third post best post
>>546145940was Georgia a threat to Russia?
>>546144699No I think about 500k more russians should die we will reconsider after that ty
>>546145940Hard to say, why don't we ask the chechens, Georgians, and the Ukes?
>>546145964Russia is never going to stop attacking neighboring countries and we all know it. The only language they understand is violence.
>>546146073Of course, because Russians are the niggers of the east. Literally no one likes them, not even their allies.
>>546145676Yes.>>546145706Based high school graduate>>546145798USA is running on fumes
COUNTERPROPASAL:>Compulsory zyklon B for all native russian speakers>Immediate expulsion to the deep sea without a life raft for all russian expats>Summary execution for vatnigger supports>Janny gets a payrise ($0.00)
>>546145916Honestly, do you really see Putin as a madman who wants war just for the sake of war? Do you really think he’d be able to hold on to power in case of a completely random invasion to Lithuania?>>546145964Requirements like that are complete nonsense. It completely ignores everything that might happen in neighboring countries.>>546146045>chechensYou mean actual Muslim terrorists?>Georgians>UkesYeah, they were small and innocent and posed no threat. Your country invaded countries on the other side of the world for less than half of what Ukraine did.
>>546145855Nobody needs to give us nukes, we can build our own in a few weeks or so
>>546146118supporters*fk me dead
>>546145940Because you are savage animals who only understand violence. You have had 2000 years to learn to be humans and stay in your own country, and you just can't do it. At this point I fully believe russians siphon some kind of psychic energy from invading neighbouring countries and they would wither away like parasites without it.
>>546146045>why don't we ask the aggressive shitskins?Cause we don't do it in Europe
>>546146135kek, most of people in finland are unemployed, you can’t build shit
>>546146195That just means we have a lot of cheap highly educated labor available to build nukes if we want.
>>546146135That's not how it works. No matter how hard you try, you can't build a nuke, neither physically nor politically. You don't have even one thing that's needed to build nuke, and that would violate a whole bunch of agreements.
>>546146041>500kIncidentally, the Rosstat hack only revealed Russian army deaths. It did not include Wagner or the Novorussian militias. The total death toll must be staggering.
>>546146266>You don't have even one thing that's needed to build nukeWe have everything required as long as some elbow grease is used.>and that would violate a whole bunch of agreements.lol lmao, who gives a shit after we have nukes?
>>546146133>less than half of what Ukraine did.how dare they border your shithole. the gall!
>>546146133>Do you really think Putin would be able to hold on to power in case of a completely random invasion to Lithuania?I think you retards would cheer from the rooftops
>>546144699Damn now we are at 2010 borders lol
>>546146246>highly educatedtop kek
>>546146118>>Janny gets a payrise ($0.00)this is impossible demand you have to change this
>>546144699delusions of grandeur, the country
>>546144782>it is da joooooos!No it isn't.
>>546146338Well, if Finns are not highly educated, then I guess the rest of the world are subhuman barbarians in comparison.
>>546146376finishing a school is considered a big success in finland?
>>546146309>as long as some elbow grease is used.Then every other country would have nukes lmao>who gives a shit after we have nukes?You do realize that Finland literally won't survive without foreign trade, right? There's no need to invade such a small country just to destroy it, sanctions will actually be effective.
>>546145198That's why they'll be rejected out of hand and the Russians know it. The gas prices in the united states are a political poison pill and the Russians are counting on that situation getting worse and forcing the now dominant Democratic party to get desperate and come to the table. Offering something seemingly reasonable now to have it swatted aside is an excuse to demand more at the negotiating table later.
>>546146417>You do realize that Finland literally won't survive without foreign trade, right?who's gonna sanction them, Russia LOL?
ich wünsche den Russen viel Glück bei der ausrottung der Ukrainer.Godspeed Mr. Gorbatchov
>>546146417>Then every other country would have nukes lmaoOnly reason why that is not true is because US gives nuclear umbrella through NATO. And the rest of the countries are shitholes. >You do realize that Finland literally won't survive without foreign trade, right? There's no need to invade such a small country just to destroy it, sanctions will actually be effective.Well, we threaten to nuke everyone who does not send us stuff then. Might build a doomsday bomb to destroy the whole earth if our demands are not met.
>>546145198Ukraine lauches drones from the baltic states lol
>>546144699Holy shit. Based as fuck. Much more intelligent and elegant than the barbaric TZD requirement coming from Europe via /uhg/ as their unofficial representative.
>>546146536Your nervous little laugh gives away your lie, Diego
>>546146508if you don’t have nukes you can’t have them, that is the rule. That is the rule. It is not like you don’t want it, kek.
>>546144699>Trusting NATO to uphold any of thatYou got to kick them out like the Taliban did to get any sort of national sovereignty and self-determination
>>546146135Finland can't build shit, your only resources are snow and somalians
>>546144699Bomb PucciaSplit PucciaLoot PucciaIt's really just that shrimple.
>>546146453Literally the entire world is interested in preventing countries from acquiring nuclear weapons. That is literally the point of these agreements. If Finland acquires nuclear weapons in violation of this agreement, you’ll immediately see a bunch of other countries acquiring nuclear weapons in some unexpected way, and the entire agreement will become meaningless.>>546146508>we threaten to nuke everyone who does not send us stuff then.Okay, it took me quite a while to realize that this was a bait.
>>546146567Rules are for pussies. We can do whatever we want.
>>546146045>but muh poor oppressed PoC minorities!!!! Mih minorities!!! They small and oppressed!!!!Kys libshit animal
>>546144699I want>upending of global military co-operation and security infrastructure>priming your territories for a Russian invasion>UkraineYou get>performative troop shuffling Belarus and MoldovaSeems like a fair deal
>No hanging of bad russians/vatniks in the forests of Europe
>>546146564Every single thing Ukraine uses comes from the US and EU, even their economyRussia won the upper hand in a war with NATO, Putin is truly one of the greatest conquerors in history.
>>546146622Don't like it?Just win the war bro
>>546146604I mean, do, what stopping you?
>>546146045Ask them if they can win a war LMAO
>>546146622It worked in 1962 and Soviets ultimately did not invade Turkey and US did not invade Cuba. Why wouldn't it work this time?
Russians probably even get to spout this to the world because the Americans see this as a last resort to buy some time after the CIA guy went to Moscow. Russians want to pull another February 2022 where they serve impossible demands and upon non-compliance, they will attack someone.
>>546146682can argentina win a war?
>>546146658Nothing if we get kicked out of NATO. Might as well go full north korean at that point.
>>546146688Because russia is a weak shithole unable to enforce anything. Cold war was cold war, modern russia won't even exist in a decade or so.
>>546146367zelensky is literally jew
>>546146707I think this shithole has won more wars than lost, 2 British invasions were repelled by local militia before independence
>>546146780Kek. What are they teaching you? You were part of the empire in all but name. Make corned beef and quit yapping.
>>546146738All right, then just win the war in Ukraine. Why don't you give them the 200 billions they're asking for? You could give away Finland entire annual budget to fund another half-year of war
>>546146738Their city has more population than your entire country, which produces nothing, is spiraling into debt, AND has imported hundreds of thousands of shitskins.You're the one going extinct in a decade lmao, if you don't believe me go look at the little brown goblins in your primary schools
>>546146823>Nigger paki doesn't know about "his" historySasuga
>>546145452this.
>>546146871
Trump will ensure that Europoors have to accept this. 2 more years that you can't do shit about.
>>546146832>All right, then just win the war in UkraineThat's what is currently happening. Russia has not advanced in months and is suffering massive losses every single day. Nothing russia can do about it. >>546146850And that city is a nice target for a nuke.
>>546146931>Trading is now winning a military conflictThis is not semantics, these are two entirely different things, in modern times we call this an alliance.
>>546144699Conditions from the EU:>Referendums, oblast by oblast, for Russian or Ukrainian clay>Trade opens up>Russia pays for a complete rebuilding>Decommissions all nukes >2% Limit on military spending>After that, all border countries take an other referendum, if they want to stay in NATO or not, and an other if they want to be part of EU or not. Once Russia demilitarises, they might be ok without NATO.That's the best we can do. Otherwise, it's war.
>>546146963>That's what is currently happening.Ukraine will literally run out of money in the next half year unless you give them a hundred or so billions. The situation with recruiting is so bad that military branches have been given the authority to round up people themselves. A good half of the cities were declared unsafe this winter because there is no money or people to repair them.
>>546147138the bigger problem is that Ukraine will run out of soldiers
>>546147037>in modern times we call this an allianceYou were our little corned beef making monkeys that did what you were told. Now quit yapping
>>546147138Eh, money is easy enough for EU. Whereas russia has nobody that will bail out its collapsing economy.
>we want to be given everything everywhere unconditionallylmaoDems are gonna be in control of USA in a month and Russia will get fucked
>>546147227Trump left it in a deliberate state that will take decades to fix, they can't aid Europe or let alone fight a war for them in current stuck in Iran state.You are on your own and also next.
>>546146963Too bad you don't have a nuke and can't get a nuke either, since you know, you're an industrially and soon financially impoverished rump state. Meanwhile they have a lot of nukes and bombs, now pointed at you.Seriously, Finland is probably the saddest place I've ever visited. A former Swedish niggercattle ranch turned sentient by Russian administration. Any place worth anything to visit was built by Russians or Swedes, the only thing Finns have managed to construct since is some IKEA commieblocs. Was kinda funny to realise.And your mentality is Asian, much like jeets you huff and puff with all that izzat but immediately submit and serve at the sound of Swedish.
>>546147173Of all the problems this one could easily be solved if Ukraine had the full support of Europe and US along with all the necessary investments. Start recruiting women or deporting people who fled the country illegally. The problem is that everyone is simply tired of Ukraine and isn't willing to invest in it, neither politically nor economically.>>546147213>money is easy enough for EUSo why isn't Ukraine getting the money it needs? They asked for something like 150 billion, but only got 20 or something like that. This is considering that they have suspended all payments except for military pay and related expenses, and it does not include any repair work or similar expenses. They need this money simply to exist. They can no longer spend money on anything other than the bare minimum, and at this rate that too will become impossible. What are you going to do with a country that can’t pay the salaries of its politicians and military personnel even with all the money they receive?
>Possible steps by Russianigga ai aynt dooin sheit
this war will never end until the putin regime is liquidated once and for all
>>546145221the whole list is fake. OP is gay.
>>546144699>OR WARkek so we have literally nothing to lose rejecting your conditions thenhow about you surrender and GTFO of Ukraine, Moldova, Konigsberg and Georgiathen you can rename Belgorod Oblast to Donetsk and Omsk to Novorussiya and you're free to rebrand the "SMO" as a total victory on Russia Today!which realistically is the ONLY way you're getting out of this war
>>546146133>Do you really think he’d be able to hold on to power in case of a completely random invasion to Lithuania?He seems to be doing just fine after completely random invasion of Ukraine.
>>546144699Hahahaha russians are completely retarded it seems. Enjoy getting droned.
>>546145198Agree with Frenchbro.
>>546144699>Demilitarization of the ports of Odesa and Mykolaivgoodluck with that retard>Special status for the Russian language in Ukrainerussian language never was an issue btw>Non-aligned status for Ukraine (which would not prevent accession to the European Union)probably realistic on paper but in practice not so much since you genocided them>Agreements on freedom of navigation in the Black Seaend the war and the freedom of navigation will be there>Agreements on freedom of navigation in the Baltic Seasee above>Prohibition of military bases on the territories of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and FinlandLOL>Restoration of Finland’s status to what it was before joining NATOOMEGALOL>Transformation of the Republic of Moldova into a federal republic comprising Moldova, Transnistria, and Gagauzia. In the event of Moldova’s accession to the European Union, referendums on independence would be held in Transnistria and Gagauziayou have no power here (apart from trannysistria)>Withdrawal of nuclear weapons from Belarusno one even knows 100% they are there, non-concession>Commitment not to deploy intermediate-range missiles in Belarusbruh look at this fucking liar>Withdrawal of Russian troops from Transnistria in exchange for Moldova adopting a non-aligned statusno one gives a shit about that slice of poostain
Russia can’t even Kiev and they want to tell Finland what to do what a joke of a country.
>>546144699>>Demilitarization of the ports of Odesa and Mykolaiv;>Odesa and Mykolaiv>not Odessa and Nikolayev1st was named after ancient greek colony Odessos, other after saint Nicholas. Both names corrupted s by hohil demons because in their uneducated peasant minds those are russian toponyms.
>>546144782Imagine beimg so jewpilled the jews tell you who the enemy is and you buy it.
