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Putin aide Yury Ushakov just announced that Russia increases its 2021 demands to end the war and prevent its spreading on countries of EU/NATO.

https://www.pnp.ru/politics/ushakov-rossiya-dopolnit-predlozheniya-2021-goda-po-bezopasnosti.html

https://x.com/BrianMcDonaldIE/status/2121050412862050337

Russias core 2021 demands remain central: a legally binding end to NATO enlargement, especially any path for Ukraine; a rollback of alliance forces and weapons in Eastern Europe to the configuration existing when the NATO-Russia Founding Act was signed in 1997; and a ban on deploying systems Moscow deems threatening near its borders.

Ushakov stated that these will now be supplemented by fresh requirements drawn from the lessons of the Ukraine conflict, above all firm opposition to any foreign or "coalition of the willing" contingents on Ukrainian soil after a settlement, which Russia calls a recipe for perpetual pan-European war.

Moscow insists the existing European security system has failed and seeks an entirely new architecture of indivisible security negotiated first with Washington (NATO leader), with Western Europeans invited to join. Putin has reminded US envoys of these points and indicated readiness to begin talks at once.

Russian officials have repeatedly warned that ignoring the demands and proceeding with Western military involvement in Ukraine would not confine the fighting but risk transforming the currently localized conflict into a broader confrontation that spreads across Europe to radically increase the cost of war for Europe.
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Poland has 2 major refineries, while Romania has 4 refineries in total (though typically only 3 are operational at a time due to maintenance or sanctions).

Refineries from these two countries supply +80% fuel to Ukraine.

Destroying these refineries would significantly worsen Ukraines fuel situation because Ukraine relies heavily on refined products from both countries. In October 2026, Polands Orlen alone provided nearly half of Ukraine’s gasoline imports (48% to be precise) and 254,000 tonnes of diesel, with Poland and Greece together covering almost 80% of diesel imports. Romania is Ukraines third‑largest gasoline supplier. Even planned maintenance at Polish and Romanian refineries has already caused supply cuts, quota reductions, and price rises in Ukraine. Actual destruction would eliminate these supply sources entirely, leading to severe shortages, soaring prices, and disruption of both civilian and military fuel logistics.

If the West doesnt agree on Russian demands, Russia could easily wipe out all these refineries with few precise missile strikes just like it was done in Ukraine that lost 100% fuel refiners already in 2022.

Russia is not Ukraine that "destroys" Russian refineries for a year already and Russians still maintain 80-90% refining capacity on average. It will hit once but good xD
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>>546145723
Because relentless Russian missile and drone strikes against Ukrainian port infrastructure and commercial vessels have severely curtailed Black Sea shipping, forcing shipowners to suspend calls to Odesa, Ukraine relies heavily on overland rail and road corridors for critical imports now. According to analyses by the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change and the Casimir Pulaski Foundation, the closure of northern routes and maritime disruptions leave European Union neighbors, primarily Poland and Romania, as Ukraines indispensable fuel transit gateways. Refined fuel arrives via Polish and Romanian refineries or seaports, crossing western borders by rail tank cars and trucks to sustain Ukraines economy and defense.

The only way to stop it for good is expanding the missile/drone warfare on territories of these two countries that actively take a part in this war already as suppliers of fuel and even their airspace for Ukrainian drones xD
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>>546145723
>>546146185
do you mean false flag incoming? Get ready, pole, you are next
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year 5 of special operation
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>>546146294
My theory is that _any_ sustained attack vs Europes critical infrastructure would rather persuade Eurofags that the war with Russia is a very bad idea than otherwise. West and especially Europe are hedonistic, weak and idiocratic. The only reason for which they support war in Ukraine is a comfy yet naive assumption that this war would never come to their countries.
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>>546145105
>Putin aide Yury Ushakov just announced that Russia increases its 2021 demands to end the war and prevent its spreading on countries of EU/NATO
That's pretty bazed, considering that no one would agree to such terms, which means Putin is already determined to provide the THD through to the end, took them a long, however
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>>546145105
I find it unfathomably based and way more intelligent and elegant by far compared to the barbaric TZD demands coming from Europe via /uhg/ as their unofficial representative.
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>Russia demands
Kek
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>>546145105
>finally have a US government that doesn't want to fight Russia
>keep perpetually increasing demands so that no deal can be made
Do these people WANT the war to continue?
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>>546146969
>Do these people WANT the war to continue?
Yes, even mearshnigger says this war will be decided on the battlefield.
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>>546145105
>invades neighbor
>the West has turned against us
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>>546145105
what6 will agent Krasnov do?
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>>546145723
hahaha delusional vpn pidor!
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>>546145723
>destroy them so EU would seethe more but give them a valid excuse to enter the conflict or pull the attention away from hohol corruption

Now why would the Russians do that? it'd be way funnier to make Ukraine an even bigger financial drain on the EU and make European countries swing hard right (and decisively anti-hohol).

4 more years
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>>546146969
>finally have a US government that doesn't want to fight Russia

Smoke and mirrors since the CIA is running Ukraine at this point desu
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>>546145105
>Russias core 2021 demands remain central: a legally binding end to NATO enlargement, especially any path for Ukraine; a rollback of alliance forces and weapons in Eastern Europe to the configuration existing when the NATO-Russia Founding Act was signed in 1997; and a ban on deploying systems Moscow deems threatening near its borders.
This is something Castlereagh and Metternich would agree on. Like that time when they made the Russian emperor a king of Poland because he threw a tantrum several times.
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>>546147806
Russia would need to successfuly expand the war on the NATO territory to make the West accept these terms, i am afraid. The West is more than ready to sacrify such expendables like Bolanda of Baltic tigers xD
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>>546148019
Yeah they learned too much since then. Proxy wars are free. Just hand out guns to X people, tell them Y is bad and they will get burgers and fries if they survive, they will die to the last man.
And I think these people were far too moral to sacrifice nations like this back then.
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>>546145105
Then i guess europe has nothing to lose. War after eastern europe is eaten up by russia or before.

Get fucked pidor. Prepare for war.
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>>546145105
>Russia increases its 2021 demands to end the war
so pretty much just pretending to want peace
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>>546145105
Yeah how about this. Every single Russian, gets on its knees and begs the world for forgiveness, for being a commie kike shithole that constantly badgers everyone around it, for fighting against White power in South Africa, and for bringing satanic bolshevism to the world. Then as you are all Russian kaffer faggots we get to watch you burn in a nuclear hellfire and rid the world of the satanic Russian forever. Then we will enjoy peace in opur time, and we can revbuild without the influence of bolshevism in our world.
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>>546145105
ok pidor
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>>546149045
When South Africans participated against Russian empire in the Crimean war (19th century) to help the Ottoman empire I presume it was OK?
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>>546145105
>and a ban on deploying systems Moscow deems threatening
a fin farts and moscow deems it threatening, finnish asses are not allowed to be pointed towards russia
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>>546149385
Firstly: At the time, the Cape Colony was a British possession.
Secondly: Imperial Russia, under the Tzar, cannot be compared to post 1917 Russo-Kike land
Regrettfully under the British rule we have been made fight against our Germanic brothers many times over, even with heavy resistance from inside South Africa. But that's ancient history, the border war against the Soviets and Rhodesia etc. are recent history, which has massively affected us TODAY.
So your point is moot. There are no Whites left in Russia, and the remaining kaffer race, the kike mongoloid commie, must die for the world to know peace.
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>>546149653>Secondly: Imperial Russia, under the Tzar, cannot be compared to post 1917 Russo-Kike land
Yes.
>There are no Whites left in Russia, and the remaining kaffer race, the kike mongoloid commie, must die for the world to know peace.
A bit extreme, don't you think.
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>>546149679
>a bit extreme
Not at all, considering the latest ridiculous demands from these kike-oloids who call themselves Russian, as in OP's post. The Russian will never learn, but always antagonize like a true kaffer
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>>546146185
>>546145723
>>546145105
so some more bullshit demands that will never be attempted to get appeased. who gives a shit? make a thread about russia when they finally win that war they started by invading Ukraine.
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Ukraine is biding time until European MiC spits out air defense and Russia is biding time until they get their own Starlink. I think people are naive to think the upper ruling crust aren’t united in this conflict against the masses who do not want war and it’s pointless toys.
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>>546145105
Asking for more and more concessions while not even controlling the 4 states Putin made officially part of Russia under their constitution truly shows how delusional they are, someone should remind him why NATO expanded in the last few years....
Ukraine was never going to join NATO that's just schizophrenia in their head just like they see nazis everywhere while nazis don't exist anymore since 45.
Only the president is Republican pro Russia anymore and the next president will be democrat. So whatever deal they make with Russia will be thrown in the trash in 2 years and Europe won't accept any of that anyway.
Monke has no cards simple as
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I generally think that Russia made a big mistake while limiting the war only to the Ukraine area after it became clear that the NATO decided to empty its stockpiles and spend +1T dollar on Ukraine. If Russia decided to be more like Iran, blowing up critical infrastructure with missiles on the NATO territory as a punishment for supporting Ukraine, this war would be probably already over years ago at good terms. Now, Russia still can accelerate this by throwing its massive (compared to NATO) amounts of drones and missiles also vs vulnerable infrastructure of Eastern NATO flank which is crucial in keeping Banderland quasi-alive by supplying fuel.

European NATO cant defend itself vs missiles (interceptor depletion due to Iran/Ukraine war) and drones (lack of cist effective tech). Russia should escalate to deescalate imo.

I am OK with Russia destroying all communist-Poland built refineries and power plants. The Polacks should learn to function only on German windmills for their russophobia xD
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>>546152277
what kind of interceptor is that?
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>>546148191
Both EU and US don't even consider Ukrainian casualties to be their people but some kind of subhuman meat. Ukrainians are such good slaves they don't even need direct backing like the south Vietnamese did.
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>>546152277
Putin is simply too afraid and the elites of Russia are very decadent and want the western lifestyle. They're indecisive and the population pays the price. In any case Putin definitely does not want escalation otherwise Russia would've performed assassinations, attacked US infrastructure, mobilized and escalated.

Russia dumping missiles on other east European nations would have no effect they're not a significant factor. They would need to escalate with US. Russia can't win against US in a meaningful conventional way. They're too big of a player to play rogue state like Iran does as well.
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>>546152544
The vid was 500 dollar Elka interceptor vs $10,000-15,000 Hornet
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>>546146390
main point is narrative
narrative that concvnce everyone including people inside russia that putin is a new hitler
this is political win, eurotards in brussels dont give a fuck about people, only their chairs
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>>546150311
>Ukraine was never going to join NATO
Why are you lying kraut?
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>>546145105
The West refused to negotiate a mutual security treaty in late 2021 because they wanted this war so bad.
Anything less than a strategic defeat of Russia is unacceptable to them. To the last hohol!
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The Ukraine War is an intentional meatgrinder meant to slaughter european Christians and slavic Christians. no more brother wars for jewish regimes
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>>546148749
They want peace at reasonable conditions that ensure mutual security.
The West wants peace after Russia is defeated.
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>>546146819
>dumbass jeet still making zigger memes Even russians are too embarassed to make them.
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>>546155109
The meme was spot on, tho. I downloaded it myself because it is true. xD
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>>546152891
>Both EU and US don't even consider Ukrainian casualties to be their people but some kind of subhuman meat
Yes, Russians are also kind of understanding towards Ukrainians and have families there so they do not support THD, and are generally more grounded and less violent people, while westerners just want complete THD for a partial TZD just so the "good guys would win".

I personally think a rational peace that appeases two sides is possible but there is no will for that outside Kiev that is held at gun point by Russia and EU.
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>>546153063
Yeah, whatever. Anyways, chair-farting and verbal-powerful Bolanda will most probably end up as a mostly Russian (not even German anymore) playground, with multi-million _Russian_ speaking (yup, like 99% of hohols who were deliberately settled here speak Russian language, not "Ukrainian" pseudo-language) diaspora inside - for the first time since 1000 years of Bolandas existence, while Polish-speaking locals will be forced to inject "HPV vaccines" into their offspring (aka bioweapon) or emigrate from here.

Poland will be a 2nd Belarus in result of these imperial games, optimistically assuming that the war doesnt reach its territory, then it could get much worse status as a 2nd Ukraine xD
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>>546146969
>>finally have a US government that doesn't want to fight Russia
its all optics. US is still involved and pays for the circus, albeit not all of it as before
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>>546154259
>at reasonable conditions
changing the conditions mid negotiations isn't reasonable
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>>546157444
Bolanda always ends up with all possible dicks up the ass. It never wins, even in the slightest. It always loses. And right before losing everything, the livestock of Bolanda is being dramatically "persuaded" by its foreign-installed "elites" that it is "winning" despite of losing. Yet in August 1939 all Polacks were 101% sure that German tanks were made of a cardboard because Sanacja (todays copy of KO/PiS) brainwashed Polacks like this xD
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>>546157678
Ok. Then blow your brains out, loser. Since you're so doomed
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uszakow xD
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>>546153989
It was only Ukraine and ziggers talking about Ukraine joining NATO while USA and Europe from the beginning said many times that Ukraine will never join.



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