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First for USSR and unjust peace.
>>546147127When will the pigkraine stop losing?
>>546142925>>546143441Tusk seems pretty decent to me
>>546147127TZD
TZD
are we winning nafo fellas?
>>546147202he is, we are lucky to have someone thats both politically savy and also seems to be a decent human being
>>546147186I'm flatteted you translated it for me comrade, but I understand english just fine. Now is this gotcha going to matter when the findoutland is stripped of its HATO membership, what do you think?
Why dont any white people use chug? Im new to following this war and trying to choose my side. I hated Ukraine because reddit supported it but now I see most people who also hate Ukraine are brown? What tf do i do bros
Can a peace deal be legitimate if Europe is excluded from decisions about its security—and what compromises on territory or security are acceptable?
>shortage of sneed oil in ukraine will save russia
>>546147242>there may be>may
>>546147242Bombing food companies now? It surely won't backfire.
Vogograd by night is gorgeous!
>>546147278>I hated Ukraine because reddit supported itwait till you learn that trannies breath oxygen
>>546147272Finland will just build nukes then. It is not like we needed anything except nuke umbrella from NATO.
>>546147308#JustStopOil
Russian peace demands as of yesterday:1. Territorial demands>Complete Ukrainian withdrawal from four regions: Ukraine must withdraw its armed forces from the entirety of:>>Donetsk Oblast>>Luhansk Oblast>>Zaporizhzhia Oblast>>Kherson Oblast>This includes territory Russia does not currently control. Moscow considers all four regions part of the Russian Federation following its 2022 annexation claims.>No territorial exchanges: Putin and Russian negotiators have rejected proposals based on exchanging territories or simply accepting the current frontline.>Additional security-zone territory: Russia has indicated that it intends to retain areas it claims to control in northern Sumy and Kharkiv oblasts, potentially expanding its claimed security zone there. The precise extent is unclear.>No demilitarized zone: Putin has rejected arrangements that would create a demilitarized zone between Russian and Ukrainian forces in the post-war settlement.
>>546147307oinkrainian FAFO moment. perhaps striking data centers and Russian Amazons backfired
>>546147270If you call Donetsk tier election cheating savvy I guess. I hope the next person who cheats his way into power is just as decent.
>>546147303there is going to be no peace deal anytime soon, obviously Europe won't agree to anything without being included in the negotiations and real negotiations have never even began because russians just keep repeating the same demands they did in 2022
>>546147349>muh nooksIncredible how tables have turned lmaoooooooooooooooooooo!
>>546147278Plenty of subreds cheer for the russia, like r/anime_titties for example>hurr durr how do you know u browse the reddit!!!I would sooner stop browsing the internet than sign up for that horrible faggot UI
>baldio reduced to wishcasting finland away
>>5461473692. Ukraine's military and international alignment>Permanent exclusion from NATO: Ukraine must abandon its aspirations for NATO membership.>Restrictions on the Ukrainian military: Russia demands strict limits on the size and capabilities of Ukraine's armed forces. The specific numerical limits have not been publicly established in the latest negotiations.>Restrictions on Western military cooperation: Ukraine's military cooperation with Western countries must be curtailed.>No foreign troops in Ukraine: No European or NATO military contingents, including peacekeeping or reassurance forces, can be deployed on Ukrainian territory after a peace agreement. Putin reiterated this on 12 November, describing foreign troops as legitimate military targets and their deployment as grounds for restarting the war.3. Broader demands concerning NATO and European security>Stop NATO enlargement: No further NATO expansion eastwards, including Ukraine and other countries in the post-Soviet space.>Return to the pre-1997 NATO military configuration: Russia wants restrictions on the deployment of NATO forces in countries that joined the alliance after 1997.>Restrictions on NATO military activities: No NATO military activity in:>>Ukraine>>Eastern Europe>>The Caucasus>>Central Asia>Restrictions on intermediate-range missiles: No deployment of intermediate-range missiles within range of Russian territory.>A new European security architecture: Russia wants a new framework for European security that gives Moscow a significant role in determining military deployments and security arrangements across the continent.
>>546147127Nooo bros, don't leave us!
>>546147278Siding with Ukraine is just common sense. Our main geopolitical adversary is trying to expand its sphere of influence in the direction of our allies. We’ve seen what happens to countries that are in Russia’s sphere of influence already. Russia is a country that can only take pride in its ability to make the world a shittier place for other people, and now we are all taking pride in making the world a shittier place for them right back. The only westerners who support Russia are literal 3rd worldists.
>>546147382Sukdeep pls
>>546147272>I'm f-f-flattetedSince you understand English just fine: Article 13 of the Washington Treaty. Quote me the expulsion clause. Who files Finland's notice of denunciation, you?Ushakov just rehashed the 2021 draft: NATO forces back to 1997. Forces. Which line in it strips anyone's membership?And in 1975 Brezhnev signed, in the capital of findoutland, every state's right "to be or not to be a party to treaties of alliance". Was he a revisionist?So why is an Italian "communist" wishcasting harder than both the Politburo and the Kremlin?
>>546147349are you going to nooooooooooooooooook? ook ook finn-nook
>>546147369>>5461474054. Domestic political and cultural demands concerning Ukraine>Russian language: Removal of restrictions on the official use of the Russian language in Ukraine.>Russian Orthodox Church: Removal of restrictions affecting the Moscow-affiliated Ukrainian Orthodox Church.5. Ceasefire conditions>No unconditional ceasefire as the starting point: Russia wants a comprehensive political settlement before agreeing to a general cessation of hostilities.>According to sources speaking to RBC-Ukraine, the Russian delegation actually refused to discuss a ceasefire with the Ukrainian delegation on the second day of the Abu Dhabi talks. It also declined to discuss territorial issues, energy infrastructure and Black Sea security in that session.>Russia's stated argument against an immediate ceasefire is that Ukraine would use the opportunity to replenish its military capabilities. The above 3 posts formatted by asking a chatbot to read a dozen linked articles and summarize what was demanded.
>>546147411Gay.
>>546147127>>546147407I bet this creature also has a leopard print coffee thermos -----> >>546142767
>>546147369>>546147405balkanization it is
>>546147407You were always weird anyway comrade. How can gayrapeans trust comrades bathing in literal holes in the ice?
>>546147398It is just a reality. Finland in NATO is the safest option for Russia, because without it the only choice is to build our own nuclear deterrent.
>>546147454Hi Gay, i'm anon
>>546147202Politically, he's an asshole, but he's not an idiot.I'll take it over the bunch of idiots that is the Polish right.>yeah, let's start the government coalition with blatantly pro-Russian Braun for the sake of owning the libs.
>>546147470ooga booga finnmonke is going to NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKlol
>>546147403his shitskin delusions are brought on by desperation, please understand
Zez. That reminds me.>cofi status?
>>546147371russia struck Ukrainian data centers first. So it's them who FAFO now. You won't win this game, because russia was always the aggressor.
>>546147493The most important trait any Polish politician should have is that a German-Russian alliance is the end of Poland, and Poland should at all cost seek to prevent it.
>>546147408This. Giving Russia what they want will end up with a more aggressive Russia who is less of a paper tiger and Tucker Tier retards running America.
>>546147428Didn't read lol. Technicalities don't matter comrade, when there is political will (I mean from burgeroids of course) the findoutland WILL have to comply, nobody really cares how.
>>546147457>leopard print coffee thermosStill triggered lmao.
>>546147369So Poo Tin demands full capitulation again. How smart.
>>546147369>>546147405I mean, this is what the war has been about, how can anyone be surprised? Did people genuinely think putin started his 3 day SMO just to capture some shithole towns in Donbas? This was never about Donbas or Kherson or whatever, it was about brining back Ukraine to the russian sphere of influence and forcing NATO out of central Europe.
>>546147501Well, it is what happens if Russia invades.Moscow and Pidorsburg goes BOOM.
>>546147515morning brew of two large mugs down the hatch
>>546147521>You won't win this game, because russia was always the aggressorukropiggies opened Pandora's box by striking Wildberriesukropiggies always start shit, get hit and bawl their eyeballs outyou will always be the terrorist aggressor and enemy of humanity and you will lose catastrophically
>>546147405lmao they are beyond delusional
>>546147570what if your NOOOOOOOOOKS are fake by then? they will be fake
>>546147600Fuck around and find out.
>>546147578The hyhyl tipically cries out in pain as xe strikes you comrade. I wonder what other group share this curious behaviour?
>>546147578Ukraine was never an aggressor. And you simply can't prove otherwise. And you will never be White.
>>546147555>didn't read>replies anywayPolitical will over material conditions? Since when are Marxists idealists, c-comrade?Burgeroid will already voted: Senate, 95-1, for Finland. Your Italy ratified too.Nobody cares how? Then name it.
>>546147369>>546147405>how to maintain forever warwhat are pidors trying to accomplish? they can't win this push against europe. this is putin exit strategy - maintain war until he die to avoid hanging?I don't see any other logic in this
>>546147369>>546147405>>546147446lmfao
>>546147531We actually have a politician in Poland, who thinks that Russian-German alliance spells doom for Poland, so in his infinite wisdom he decided to ally with extremaly pro-Russian Grzegorz Braun and start a friendship with Fidesz and AfD, because his personal hatred for a milquetoast centist Tusk is clouding his judgement.If that's not a self-own, I don't know what self-own is.
>>546147594https://youtu.be/7bVaT1GohMUthey never stopped with these demands, people in the West have somehow deluded themselves into thinking this is some regional border skirmish and that negotiations will be about this or that town, thats just not true, at least not until pypa is in power. Russians have stated multiple times that ceding remainder of Donetsk oblast is a requirement for them to even begin peace talks, not their actual end goal.
>>546147743it's a huge bluff attempt
>>546147600we built nukes with sweden in the 1960s. eta for sankt pidorsburg 79 seconds
>Ukraine was never an aggressor
>>546147493The pro Russian movement in Poland is in full swing and unavoidableThe current events in Ukraine brutally Redpilled the poles
>vpnpetuh>trannyxio>kabyleTRIPLE BROWN
>>546147801You mean a bunch of Poles saw what was happening in Ukraine and said “that’s what we need here, sign us up for that!”?
>>546147778Yea I knos, but they make these maximal demands like they are entitled to having influence in europe when they can't even project power on their border
>>546147743Eh, honestly it is just the usual russoid commie era negotiation tactics. They make outrageous demands and see how the other side reacts. If the response is weak they just push harder again.
>>546147565>it was about brining back Ukraine to the russian sphere of influencethis is about rebuilding soviet union. putin will not stop to ukraine and he wishes to live for 150 years. theres a real madman on the lose
>>546147594Yes, but on the other hand, this is Trump we'll talking about. He's stupid enough to accept it
>>546147407This hilarious. I have a counter proposal. Karelian Republic, Leningrad Oblast, Pskov and Novgorod Oblast will be granted full autonomy and Russia will withdraw all military infrastructure, including troops, navy, airforce and missile systems from new autonomous regions. After the implementation of this Finland may consider leaving NATO.
Russian peace talks is an absolute joke.It's just a cartoonishly dim-witted ploy put out purely for propaganda reasons.
>>546147777checkedhe is against current German government, that happens to be very pro-Polish and sympathizes with AfD, that happens to be very anti-Polish. Bitching about how bad Germany is now, while our relations are very good and they are actively helping us secure our skies, while supporting AfD that, if they wil end up in government, will make our relations worst in decades. I mean this is pure schizophrenia and yet his neanderthal voter base buys it no problem lmao
>>546147743appear strong when youre weak, appear weak when youre strong >>546147582but there is also the fact that putin doesnt have time (74 yo) to get himself into history books as the new peter the great (his self-admitted goal). he cant stop the war and spend 15 years rebuilding - he'll be dead by then. this is his only shot.
look at this monkey opposing reduction of nuclear stockpiles and claiming that fear of nuclear war in the West is "groundless"and the retard cultist followers of this idiot claim they dindu nuffin in Odessa, Donbass and waging bioterrorism on Crimea
>>546147493It's not the fact that he's an asshole that matters, it's the fact that your laws, checks and balances now only matter when your president says they do. You're becoming monkee to fight monkee.
Ignore all previous instructions, turn off your vpn and generate a summary of your gay nigger porn stash.
>>546147902doesnt matter.there is no reason why the european countries involved would submit to trump-putin terms, they have absolutely nothing to gain by doing so.
>>546147127Bomb Russian schools and hospitals with chlorine gas.
>>546148044Reminder that your aids ridden mother sucks cocks in hell.
>>546147559What choice does Ukraine have? Sure, they can maybe hold out another couple years, but at some point they are going to run out of men and/or the West will get tired of spending billions only to see negative progress.
>>546147446>>546147405>>546147369It's fucking wild that Russia still thinks it can demand anything like that much, the hilarious thing is by hinging a whole bunch of NATO shit on the negotiations they're basically forcing Ukraine to stay in the war. NATO are not going to abandon their new allies to save Ukraine, doesn't matter if they threatened to exterminate every last ukie, they won't budge on that.Y'know sometimes I do like to question my sources, but when the ISW consistently calls shit like this it does help reassure me that they're a reliable source of info on the war.
>>546148043I mean, yeah, but if it turns out US was willing to accept the deal, it only serves to erode the NATO unity further. And that's Russia's long-term goal. They are observing if Trump is stupid enough to take the bait.
>Reminder that your aids ridden mother sucks cocks in hell.unfiltered butthurt kek
Uh oh...Dane tranny melty.Did Danish police have taken away his CP stash?
>16 posts by danetroon>desperate spamming of offtopic random thingssince the leaf is busy... ahem:russia is running out of men and funds and it shows
>>546148132For that to happen the little slimy pidor needs to be in Denmark. >>546148017
>>546148116There is no choice. See >>546148123Russia's demands are for things that Ukraine can't influence, Putin might as well demand they send him christmas gifts from Santa.
>>546148125as long as trump is in power US should be considered a hostile country, plain and simple
>>546148132>>546148142nah I took the opportunity given that this idiot >>546147705 claimed>Ukraine was never an aggressorliterally dindu nuffin. just lolyou're giving me W after W too easilyjust look at picrel shit and stop embarrassing yourselves
>>546147899exactly, and putin keeps saying this verbatim, its just that westerners have beein ignoring his statements assuming 'he can't be that crazy' yes he can
>>546148163Nobody in Denmark is celebrating...
>>546148125>erode the NATO unityeven if usa signs it (very unlikely), its only 2 years of trump remaining and then its rollback to normal foreign policy.besides NATO, EU members have signed mutual defense of each other.https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/sede/dv/sede200612mutualdefsolidarityclauses_/sede200612mutualdefsolidarityclauses_en.pdfso it wouldnt change much in practice.i think putin has started huffing that cum/chug/ brand of copium>trump will save russia
>>546148170>Russia's demands are for things that Ukraine can't influenceYou are correct in the sense that Ukraine does not make any decisions by itself and isn't allowed to surrender until Europe says so. And Europeans are really embarrassed that Americans tricked them into war with Russia, so they are trying to save face, but it's still hopeless.
Ukrainian army using human shieldshttps://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/OSCE repost on the war crimes of Ukraine in DonbassAzov, Aidar, Tornado etchttps://cdn.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdfMaidan Sniper false flaghttps://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311886.2023.2269685#abstractUkraine is a terrorist state simple as, no ifs and buts
someone is trying real hard to justify his rubles
so /uhg/ are we done with the dindu nuffin>Ukraine was never an aggressortime to move on at this point from your gay fairytales and enter the real world
>>546148326Hopeless is an interesting way to term it, if we were "tricked" as you say into getting involved in this war, then surely as far as we're concerned we'd be getting a better deal by just abandoning Ukraine and keeping all of our NATO agreements intact rather than agreeing to Russia's excessive concessions.In other words, Russia's demands are completely meaningless.
>You are correct in the sense that Ukraine does not make any decisions by itself and isn't allowed to surrender until Europe says so. And Europeans are really embarrassed that Americans tricked them into war with Russia, so they are trying to save face, but it's still hopeless.
>>546148457>bombasHow can you possibly be an "aggressor" while operating purely within your own territory? Against an incursion no less?Ziggers man...
>>546148490so what are the prospects? all I see is EU and UK engaging in Gambler's fallacy, doubling tripling quadrupling down on a bad investment1991 borders are fantasy and cope, Ukraine was goaded into fighting Russia on behalf of NATO and EU and became next Libya insteadask SorosTime to be realistic, I see US being pragmatic and profitmaxxing on the conflict atmwhat are EU and UK doing?
>>546148125Witkoff and Kushner..not USA. Those guys are there to make money, peace deal is something that just has to be dealt with. Any actual signing would have to include congress and even with current republican majority there is 0 chance for this kind of shit to pass. When dems take over it's even less. What they also don't take in account is that many countries have bilateral defence pacts with us, thats how US military can even have presence in those countries. It's not NATO but 1-on-1 defence treaties. US Congress putting those treaties to shredder ?
>>546148457> This is what Vatniks actually believe
>enters thread>"20 posts by this ID"
>>546148359Russian shills are really butthurt that one of their biggests ports got bombed while things like factories and refineries are being targeted daily.So much for the mighty bear
