Because they were able to force a negotiated settlement by so doing instead of being completely conquered
>>546168050pretty much this, stalin wanted to conquer us but we fought back
>>546167765K/D ratio and not having to become a part of soviet union.
>>546167765>implying finland existsanon…
>>546167765>1/3 the troops inflicted 2 to 1 K:D ratio>srebs: durr why you proud *gulps Russian cum*
>>546167765>muh source>trust me broThe K/D was around 10:1 for the Finns.Those are from legit war documents not some propaganda bullshit. If Finns didn't absolutely obliterate the invading Red Army, Hitler would have never launched operation Barbarossa. Hitler himself believed the 10:1 K/D and considered Russians subhuman because of it.Besides this was in the 1930s we are living in 2026 now. We have satellites, drones, cyber warfare, small unit tactics and modern special forces. The Winter War is still taught in Military Schools around the world when discussing small unit pocket tactics. First war where frontline units were equipped with submachine guns. A lot of the tactics are valid today.
They preserved their independence by fighting back.Even if they lost land it's still a win by denying Russians their ultimate goal. Little different than ukraine right now.
>>546167765you should ally with Suomi, they know what is what
>>546167765I'm sorry, but if you can't see the fact that a backwards ass country took on a relatively new industrial power with x10 the hell, resources, and manpower, and won... youre a nigger. finland took on the Soviet union with basically no German intervention, and were able to stay free without losing too much. one of the many blunders Hitler made, not helping them in earnest.
>>546167765They survived as a nation, unlike Ukraine.
>>546170342göring actually sympathised with us and sent aid through sweden
>>546167765why aren't wounded & captured part of USSR casualties?
>>546167765They wanted to annex us like the Baltic states.
>>546170477yeah, and? did you read what I wrote? my last sentence literally says, it was one of the many blunders that Hitler did not help you. Now Im glad he didnt you fucking temu russian nigger. fuck off AND LEARN TO READ
>>546170477yeah, you got nothing to say now you fucking little inserting-yourself-like-a-know-it-all 50pt iq nigger. stay quiet and go back to your shit corner and stay there
>>546167765>counting finnish wounded as casualties>not counting soviet wounded as casualtiesYour propaganda is weak
>>546170539>>546170645you do know that göring and hitler were two different people, right?
>>546169962>muh K/D ratioNazis also had positive K/D and still lost the war
>>546170504It is irrelevant, they healed/returned home
>>546170264You will pay for 1999
>>546167765>Serb asking why someone is proud of his own defeatLol, lmao>>546168176>not having to become a part of soviet union.This alone is worth the loss of land, really
>>546167765Nice russian cope figures. Anyway Finns had only existed as an independent people for 20 years and we survived these orks. Was good. Having been turned to turks yourself you wouldn't understand.
Russians are the borg. If you surrender to them they'll eventually assimilate you and use you as cannon fodder for their next expansionary war.
>>546167765>only part of Hitlers 3rd Reich still up>only part of Czars 3rd Rome still up
>Simo Häyhä, nicknamed the White Death, is believed the be the deadliest sniper in human history. He is believed to have killed around 500 Soviet soldiers over a 4 month period between 1939-1940.This is the face you make after eliminating 500 ziggers.
>>546172902He did a good job sliming subhumans. A real super hero.
>>546171640Their k/d actually went negative by 45.Soviet casualty figures are inflated by non-combat casualties, which were a major issue because of the logistical challenges of carrying out offensives across bad ground in winter, and because Nazis frequently lied to their own leaders about how many men that were killing to cover over how poorly they were performing in close combat.. In truth the Nazis went ahead on k/d during Barbarossa because of the massive encirclements there and then ran more or less even against the Soviets for most of the rest of the war, until Stalingrad and later Bagration sent them plummeting.Outside of the eastern front, the Nazis were basically losing everywhere for most of the war.People easily forget that the panzercorps winning the important fights were only a tiny fraction of Germany's army. Most of it was unmotorized conscript infantry with inadequate anti-tank equipment, limited engineers, few if any vehicles, a shortage of artillery support and horse-based logistics. After Barbarossa ground to a halt, most of the eastern front was just under equipped infantry stuck in shallow trenches dying to artillery until their position was overrun by tanks. Once the Nazis lost the air war, their attrition from close air support on both fronts ramped up enormously. By the end of the war, the German army fought like guerillas because holding trench lines or bunkers against overwhelming allied fire superiority was suicidal.A lot of Germans died in the war. Like, a lot.
>>546172439>we survived these orksCalling a nation that is superior in science, literature, arts, and every other field - orcs is just copium.>Having been turned to turks yourselfThose brown Serbs you see on TV are not Turks, they are native Balkan tribes we conquered and assimilated
>>546172902He looks so happy
>>546172902He didn't die even after he was killed.>After the battle, as he appeared to be dead, he was placed on a pile of corpses. Someone later noticed his foot moving and he was removed from the pile and taken to hospital.>Reading about his own death in a newspaper, he sent a letter to the paper to correct the misunderstanding.
>>546169744big words about a real country coming from Israel's golem. Finns actually fought for their country, amerimutts fight for jewish profit
>>546172902He needs to see a plastic surgeon tho
>>546167765we are still heredo you still see the USSR around?
>>546173318It is 1000x better to live in Finland than Russia unless you are a multimillionaire (in non-orc currency). You can do the science for us while we enjoy thx.
>>546168176why would you fight against your fellow mongol?
>>546173438He lived until 2002 and was 96 when he diedHe was some sort of anomaly, like an ancient deity took him under its protection
>>546173494unlike serboid kids blown up by NATO
>>546173670Show me a Russian who looks like this. Not chinky, but specifically like this.
>>546168154Neat cope
>>546167765So they repelled an army of 1,000,000 with a force of only 300,000, losing only a tiny portion of territory?And you're wondering why they consider it a victory?You might be too retarded to understand war.Why do Serbs seem to suck so much orcish cock?
>>546173318>superior in science, literature, arts, and every other field - orcs is just copiumSoviet Union was superior in these? Didn't all their writers, artists and scientists end up in the gulags?
>>546169962>The K/D was around 10:1 for the FinnsLmao noit was 3:1, and it's not taught anywhere
>>546173928ofc a country that lost against birds knows no shit about war, even my god forsaken hellhole knows about the finnish K/D ratio
they didnt get the bydlo infestation we did
>>546172902LmaoWhat kind of retard tier normie falls for this shit? ghost of kiev tier BS
>>546173778There like a dozen Finno-Ugric republics in Russia. There rest of them republics are Turks or something. Russia is a meme federation, even more so than the US, ran by a literal manlet who thinks hes the baddest mf on the planet. To be the fly on the wall when Vlad and Kim have their locker room talks. That must be hilarious.
>>546174123>ESL can't into englishYou people ruin everything by just your presence
>>546173819Soviet goal wasn't conquering whole Finland, but creating a buffer zone in the north-western borders, they actually gained more land than they wanted.
>>546173813How is it a cope? Its a fact. We fought against a superpower and hold our ground. You got raped by a bunch of flightless birds retard
>>546174286>can't into englishYou stupid kangaroos don't even speak proper english
>>546170410Ukraine is far more alive than Guiana Brasileira.
>>546173928It was 10:1 and it's taught to US Green Berets since the 1960s and also to the SAS. Most Nordic countries teach the basics in their military academy. Any credible military academy teaches it. The Suomi KP/-31 is one of the most famous submachine guns in the WW2. The Soviets copied it a lot for their PPSh-41. Every gun guy knows the war.
>>546167765When you lose land, you win.Soon to be the Ukraine/NAFO cope there too.
>>546173670Russians are slavs, not our fellow mongols.There are actual people that are somewhat related to us living in what is modern day russia, but they're minorities that just live there. You don't hear much about them, but see this language map.
>>546174369It's the definition of cope, you lost, reality is you where in prepared defensive positions with every advantage favouring your side and you lost in a few months
>>546175050>with every advantage favouring your side Aussie genius
>>546174606>10:1Nope not even close, Russians estimated about 50k kia, finns about 25k kia>and it's taught to US Green Berets since the 1960s and also to the SAS. Most Nordic countries teach the basics in their military academy. Any credible military academy teaches itLol anon it's a irrelevant footnote on history, and that's what's taught just like 1000's of other battles, but I'm guessing people focus on the ones that won, and not losses, also what do you imagine SF is taught from that?the only nation that did take it seriously and learn from it was the USSRYou fell for war propaganda, you need to do better kid
>>546167765> Why exactly are Finns proud of this?they managed to remain not-pidor my people are proud of that too
>>546167765It pretty much proved the theory that if you kill enough Russians in war you can pretty much force them to the negotiation table although we're still trying to find the proper threshold to this day.
Relative to its objective military strength Finland did very well but they ultimately lost Karelia.
>>546175475I think you'll find that was the no. of units not how many deployed, wiki isn't a good source, if you are using that no wonder you're uninformed
>>546169962>A lot of the tactics are valid today.Russia is still using the tactic of meatwaves today in Ukraine. Make masses of unarmed men run against the enemy to waste their bullets. Today it's just drones instead of bullets - one dead zigger costs russia less than one drone does for Ukraine.
>>546168154Your country is being conquered by niggers and muslims and you're not fighting back.
>>546175877Lol nafo shills are jeet tier
>>546175910Now do niggers and muslims in Russia.
>>546175910>your country is facing other problems too >therefore you should submit to the russiansThe Oxcart School of Reasoning
>>546175817Ah the numbers actually favored us
>>546175817>wiki isn't a good source, you should use approved sources from the Faculty of History, Lomonosov Moscow State Universitylol
>>546167765Serbian national mythos is based on losing a battle in Kosovo.
>>546175050Finland had to fight while in arms amd trade embargo that were accomplished by the allied forces against soviets who had +100k armored vehicles that they got from USA together with petrol.We had to build puukaasuautoja because there was no gasoline, you commie chink/pajeet. May God smite you down, you imp.
>>546175683You were pidors from 1795-1918 and 1945-1989, total 167 years of being pidors
>>546176361nope, we were Poles under pidor authority meanwhile >Od Bihaca, do Petrovca sela,>do Petrovca sela>Srpska zemlja, puna je pedera>puna je pedera
>>546176315That is unfortunatelly true.
>>546176361Ottoman empire status?
>>546167765Nokia, memes and ior bock.
>>546167765The Fins objectively lost, but I must say they made Soviets look like such monkies in the process, Society tactics were mostly ineffective due to the purge, they literally killed the chief architect of Deep Battle and then tried to use a crude copy of it against Fins, it clearly did not work out. Fins showed great tactical innovation in the war, and fought bravely, that is why we still love em even tho they may have lost.
>>546176525Belgrade was called "The gate of Jihad" for 350 years long.It was called Belgrade for 150...Agram was called muslim name for exactly 0.00 years
>>546167765That they fought a bigger army and bluffed them at the end. Stalin wanted a buffer zone and got a bit more than they originally asked.Also the Finnish sniper story is bullshit, about the same level as Carlos Hathcock, but Amerimutts don't want to hear that.
>>546176525I don't even want to get into a beef with you because you are probably a Serb whose grandparents became Catholics a century ago
>>546176674Indeed, no way a single person even across several months could kill more than a couple battalions worth of troops.
>>546176673I don't think it even has a Turkish name at all>>546176791>because you are probably a Serb whose grandparents became Catholics a century agoCategorically wrong and my region wasn't included even in the most insane fever dream četnik maps of "greater Serbia" at any point, I don't partake in the "ur le catholic serb" vs "ur le orthodox croat" vs "ur le muslim serb/croat" debates and other 75 IQ activities related to thatIn fact I just posted that map because you really don't have a solid ground for saying something like that to a Pole, simple as
>>546167765You're not even a real country.
What is it with serbia and sucking russian cock?
>>546176273>wiki is a good sourceLol
>>546176330lmao, bro almost nothing you said is accurate
>>546177563>>546177657Does putin rape you bots daily or monthly? Or do you actually enjoy sucking him?
>>546177747>muh Putin and russia!!!Rent free you faggots have become sadder than leafs
>>546167765ussr initial objectives were to puppet finland like it did with baltic countries. It failed. They managed to save face.+ you're totally playing with numbers (not counting wounded in casualties for Soviets (when you count it for fins) because it would more than double the casualties. Either you go with 25k vs 168k or 70k vs 320k. Any other way is bad faith.Population lost is also bad faith because you chose to express it as % of original population, but for some reason, you don't do it for lands as % of original territories.I understand you have to work double to secure your shipment of russian semen, but you have other way to not starve this winter.
>>546167765Let me just point out that there are almost no similarities between the current Ukraine war and Finland in the Winter war. We weren't joining a hostile foreign military alliance. We embraced our neutrality and used it to our great advantage. We were never coup'd by a "benevolent" hegemon and didn't have a radical insurgency put in place as a junta with a Jewish puppet. The USSR (not the modern RF) staged a false flag and invaded Finland on false pretexts, completely unprovoked. The Russian Federation invaded Ukraine as a provoked and desperate nation. Ukraine was in a civil war, persecuting a large swathe of their population because of their "ethnicity", culture and language. Russia, in accordance with international law, was allowed to assist them by military means. Should've been the UN peace keepers, but they seemingly didn't care. Anyhow. Finland fought off the USSR in an unprovoked war, and remained independent until very recently as we've sold it of piece by piece.We fought off the Soviet Union, not the Russian Federation, not by technological superiority or abundance of military armaments, and we lived to tell about it.
>>546167765Rocky lost too.To a nigger.
>>546167765Per capita.
>>546171640Good guys always win only in the movies fren.
>>546177926Nufag the reason casualty as a comparison is dismissed in EVERY comparison is because you simply don't know what it means, is a guy stubbing his toe a casualty? is it a casualty for both sides? if he does it twice is it two casualties now? Is a mutt on a boat that cuts his head on a ship corridor and goes to the medic for a bandage and check vs a jap that lost a leg in a battle a good metric for anything?that's why KIA is the metric for comparison, sure it's not perfect, esp when troons take the lowest from one side and the highest from the other like here
>>546167765The funniest thing about it is that Stalin had demanded much less land around St. Petersburg In exchange for a larger chunk of Lapland at the beginning. Yet subhuman Fingols are coping with the fact that they didn't lose everything lmao. And that's all you need to know about butthurt belters. They'll be offered a favorable terms, they'll shoot out their balls, and will spend the next century bragging about how they saved the dick
>>546169962>>546171640>>546173231If K/D wins wars, the Confederates would have won the Civil War, the US was winning Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq before leaving, and Ukraine would be winning being invaded.
>>546175910That's your country, buddy.
>>546178609Good guys won the Spanish Civil war though
>>546178645Exactly, even though I like Finns more than other butthurt belters, they are kind of cool people.
>>546178645>Stalin just wanted to take over the main defensive lines of Finland without firing a shot and islands right next to the main shipping lines and place military troops there but the stupid Finns weren't smart enough to take swamp lands in return and refused this great deal they were offered
>>546178645The area Stalin wanted was the finnish defense line with all their forts. Compare to Hitler taking the czech defense line.
>>546178645we did give them bases and look what happenedirc stalin wanted base around helsingi (or that area) as well
>>546168154Then why didn't he do it after ww2 when he had a massive army? If you're an NPC just stfu
>>546178645Yeah, I'm sure Stalin didn't make those demands knowing full well that Finland wouldn't accept as a basis for calling us unhinged and irrational or some shit.In any case, the EUSSR is now the Soviet Union's successor in name and values. I for one could not live a day without thanking Chairman Ursula for our liberties and prosperity.
>>546175910Moscow is 1/3 muslims and russia has 25 million muslims total with largest mosques on european continent. Who is getting conquered again?
>>546179173Finland was basically a puppet nation, or they had to suck Stalin's cock a lot until he died.What happened was Mannerheim telling people to hide weapons and prepare for guerilla war. And they're still finding guns.
>>546179049>The area Stalin wanted was the finnish defense line with all their fortsHe wanted much more. Island fortresses all along Finland's archipelagic baltic coast. Even Åland was on the menu, but was excluded because it would've irked the Swedes and Danes.
>>546175673Lol retarded dundee xDWhy it's taught to Special Forces is precisely because they're often outmanned and outgunned. These small unit tactics produce a higher K/D ratio which grants the SOF a chance to win battles and minimize their casualties. The Winter War tactics include small but mobile units, planning proper ambushes, choosing when to fight, etc.The submachine guns given to the frontline units had to develop these tactics because submachine guns were never before used like this. The modern day CQB is largely influenced by this war. Clearing trenches and bunkers start with quiet approach, sudden grenades followed by storming fireteams of two, while the rest of the unit operates as backup or provides corridor security. Hence the SAS assault teams in the 1970s used MP5s and flashbangs. Literally the same tactics.Now, kindly STFU and KYS.
>>546179173Well for one he would have needed an excuse for war. Secondly the western allies would have most likely been in support of Finland if he tried to pull of another set of Shots of Mainila.Also the US had just blown up two big Japanese cities with a new type of bomb.Also it was an opportune time to put up a great show of how the mighty Soviet Union had defeated the evil Nazi empire and make people forget about some awkward little things that happened before and during the war.Also later the hefty war reparations placed on Finland are believed by some to have been so harsh because Finland was not expected to be able to full fill it's obligations giving an opportunity for Soviet Union to come and "manage" things...
>>546179376>Finland was basically a puppet nationNo. For the first time of in our long history (as tribesmen and so on) were we not puppets. Before, yes. Sandwiched between great powers kind of make it difficult to not be a puppet. But after our independence we made it very clear by providing for ourselves and proving ourselves capable tradesmen in all markets we engaged in, that we were better of as partners than subjects. To call us puppets in 1939 just doesn't sound right to me.
>>546168050>Because they were able to force a negotiated settlement by so doing instead of being completely conqueredThis is a schizophrenic projection; Stalin simply asked them to voluntarily hand over a piece of land necessary for the defense of Leningrad. These idiots thought that arguing with a massive country—while acting hysterical—was a brilliant strategy. Later, they secured the support of the Nazis, making an attack on them practically inevitable. However, the Nazis betrayed them and chose not to go to war with the USSR—at least not for a few more years, as they weren't yet prepared. I also suspect this may have been a provocation by the USSR, designed to goad Germany into taking action.
>>546178665K/D wins battles. In this particular case that strategy was working until Interim Peace concessions. Stalin understood the price to conquer all of Finland was too high and he dropped the idea. He occupied all other Baltic states then. Any commie sympathisers get the rope fyi.
>>546168154online ziggers are void of empathy. they care not if millions of them die to grab land an ressources for their oligarchs.
>>546180405>hai guys, let me show you how dumb I am>literally never studied the subject I pretend to be an expert onhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_PactNote the Secret protocol part
