Is roiding a form of troonery?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMTELjfNXZg&t=668s
>>546205163it sickening it pissening
No. one is excellence and the other is aggressive mimicry
Isn't it technically the opposite since trannys use hormones to try to be something they aren't while steroids make you more of what you already are
>>546205163They are both often Cluster B personality but expressing the elements differently.
>>546205163yes faggot now kys meme flaggot
>>546205516All these psychological disorders are just people suffering from having no communal tribe and clan and living life as broken atomised individuals in multiculti shit-ciety
>>546205163I would slap that punk. I will kick him right in the latissimus dorsi.
>>546205163>17 and roided to the maxHe gonna die in his late 20s early 30s if he dont stop.
>>546205659Balls the size of grains of sand.
>>546205372It's the same? People trying to give their tissues hormonal signals of something their DNA wouldn't make under no circumstances? Men DNA doesn't produces female hormones, true, but it also doesn't produce x10 the male hormones either. The questions stands, what's more of a tranny +x1 of female hormones or +x10 of the male ones? The shifting fake load for roid trannies is certainly much higher and the strain on the body is also much less sustainable - at least trannies die voluntarily while roid trannies, like zyzz, die because their bodies are physically incapable to keep up with their gender delusions of themselves.
>>546205163no but it is also self-harm as steroids harms your heart ,lowers your lifespan
Why would pumping yourself full of hormones be considered troonery?
>>546205773neither one is natural and your injecting shit to get an abnormal result, so it is a little bit like transing out. you are just not natually going to be like a young arnold schwarzenegger without steroids or rare genes, kek
>>546205735Ok but where is the line drawn?If someone takes 2X the natural androgen production, is that unnatural?What if their HPTA was working at 50% of its maximum capability before taking exogenous androgens, due to the microplastics, bpa, atrazine pesticides and other endocrine disrupting shit?
>>546205773Because you try to chase gender image of something you aren't?A soiboy gender is soiboy, his DNA is soiboy, his body knows it's a soiboy and likes it that way. But the soiboy suddenly decides to identify as manly man gigachad. But he is not. So the gigachad goes and buys HRT to make it's body think it's gigachad. But his DNA is soiboy, his body is soiboy. His body will break trying to chase what it doesn't. Just like a tranny would. Literally no difference.The distance between -1 and 1 is 2, the distance between 1 and 11 is 10. The roid tranny is much farther genetically from his image than 'a normal' tranny is.
>>546205163Yes. They are male-to-MALE trannies.
>>546205937If there are xenoestrogens in his environment suppressing his HPTA, then his environment is making him a trannoid.In that case taking exogenous androgens would be undoing the troonery by making him more of what he is supposed to be.Your logic doesn't hold steady
>>546205912>Ok but where is the line drawn?The line is drawn where your health lies. If you boost your hormonal levels through normal means (exercise, diet, lack of stress) or introduce something to battle pathological degradation while staying at optimal levels of your DNA and body physiology, then it's fine. If you try to make yourself something you are not (it's not hypothetical question DNA dictates what you are) you are by definition a tranny.The whole argument against trannies as they delude themselves with ideas of identifying themselves with something they are not and aggressively trying to push it on the others, in that sence, how are they different? They aren't. In no way.
>>546206031My man, no roid trannies takes testosterone to support his 'natural' levels. Just like no tranny takes estrogen for antioxidant protection (do you know biohackers like Bryan Johnson inject himself with inactive form of estradiol because it protects the body), no, the tranny goes for actual modifying of hormone levels, just like roid tranny does. Nobody would blame an old men taking a bit of testosterone to prolong his healthy life, but that's not what roid trannies are doing.
>>546205344Roidtrannies are mimicking real men
>>546205163They both come from the same core mental illness of Body Dismorphia. Regular bodybuilding is all fine and dandy though since they're pursuing something their body is naturally capable of without adding outside chemicals.
>>546205344No both are troons
>>546205163roids permanently alter your endocrine systemThat's the real reason Bruce Jenner became a troon.
>>546205163Yes except gayer
>>546205646Welcome to the bio-psycho-social model of mental pathology. Still wrong though. Cluster B is caused by an empty sense of self.
>>546205344No excellence involved in fucking up your body anon. I've been into fitness my whole life, I love sports and have always lifted to support my athletic pursuits - but retards on gear are faggy drama queens who are going to die young.
>>546205163Yes. Roid trannies not only delude themselves, they also effectively chemically castrating their body. So they are in fact trannies in the conventional way too.When roid tranny inject itself with high dose of testosterone, his body screams to stop and completely shutdowns it's own testosterone production. As these glands are not doing anything else the prolonged roid tranny HRT results in degradation and gradual irreversible loss of it's own body parts that supposed to make him male. In the end he effectively become an eunuch. Just like a tranny. They are both eunuchs with mental illness. The difference is purely semantic.
>>546205163>17 year old man who looks 36
>>546206096>>546206203Ok but what do steroids turn you into that makes you something you aren't?They turn change from a man into a .... muscular man?Is the musculature above what is capable naturally the tranny aspect in your opinion?What about non steroidal muscle building supplements taken in addition to weight training?Someone taking creatine, trimethylglycine and HMB can theoretically build more muscle mass than someone without access to these "unnatural" supplements.Is it even natural to have a supermarket full of cheap calories to support a weight training regimen
>>546206820What about someone that uses HCG alongside steroids?Does that nullify the trannyism?
>>546205163Kinda they are both body dysmorphia
>>546205912> where is the line drawnIf you insert a hormone into your body, that is the line. You either produced the hormone yourself or you did not. Anything you cannot produce is a dependency at best. It isn’t complicated.
>>546207312Oh shit, I popped 5k IU of the hormone vitamin D this morning.
>>546207372Vitamins are not hormones, retard. I realize that you people can’t even speak your own language correctly, but words do in fact have meanings.
>>546207441Vitamin d is a hormone you stupid fucktard.It binds to the vitamin d receptor and chemically regulates bone metabolism and calcium balance.
>>546207517There’s no need to dox yourself retard-kun. I could explain what vitamin d does in your body, but we both know it would be a waste of time. I recommend trooning out on some HCG and deca. Totally harmless and no different from vitamin D.
>>546207666what an empty post, like your head.It's getting late, im off to bed, gonna pop some of the hormone melatonin to help my sleep
>>546207713Try not to pop too much of the hormone “jizz in your mouth”, it isn’t Wednesday yet. >>546207713
>>546206909>>546207030If you stop for a second and try to understand what you are injecting yourself with, you'd realize that you and a tranny both doing the same. These are signal hormones, the production of thes hormones are administrated by the brain. The brain controls the production of them to then control the body functions. The brain takes the hormonal ques, the feedback of state of your body (how well are you fed, how is your body functioning, is your muscle mass adequate for the burden encountered, etc.) and then projects your DNA, you blueprint, your genetics onto that, giving competent evaluation of what the target for sex hormones should be in that precise moment. It's not random, it's not arbitrary, it's not blind. The issue is it's much more complex than just these isolated hormones, the response is multiple ways and it alse has the feedback loop (the thing that makes roid trannies eunuch). The hypothalamus knows what happens to your body, it knows what should be done, it gives signals. Unless you have specific conditions where signaling hormones of hypothalamus cannot be executed (like if you are a roid tranny that came off the roids, but you are not a male anymore and can't secrete your own testosterone due to the physical absence of male hormone 'hardware', or maybe just autoimmune disease) nothing good will come from trying to intervene into that externally, because it will immediately result in the opposite effect which will actually be very damaging. Your tissues also cannot 'execute' the inadequate signaling properly, so even if you keep jacking more and more, you'd only increase the downsides by have no effect. This is not a system that requires intervention UNLESS your natural healthy secretion capabilities are irreversibly impaired which threatens your life, like in case of thyroid deseases and stuff of if you cut off your balls by accident (chemically castrating yourself with prolonged roid injections included)
>>546205743he's a form of trans-masc, he going beyond or across his original gender
>>546207517Vitamin D is external sun radiation damage that was incorporated in the loop by life long long time ago, because it was always present. It's not exactly a hormone, it's just a compound made from irradiated cholesterol. We take it, because we are sheltered from sun radiation by our technological advances, something life has never expected. Mind you, white people evolved precisely because northern steppe of eurasia with lack of sun was physically killing everybody who didn't carry the mutation. Same goes for lactose tolerance persistence. You cannot secrete vitamin D yourself, therefore it's not a hormone, it doesn't signal anything other than your skin is getting damaged by the sun radiation. But it was incorporated hundreds of millions of years ago, because even bacteria got their cholesterol in membranes damaged, so that compound was always present, so it was incorporated in the loop, which led to deficiencies and mutation in northern regions and also the need to take the pills if you are not exposed to the sun enough naturally.
>>546205163Neet and natty here
>>546205516>meme "diseases" are for Niggers and women.
>>546205372im no expert but in severe cases, roids can really do more than just ‘make muscle big’. it isnt the roid rage we see in movies and stuff but it can absolutely fuck with your head too, very similarly how trooner men get all emotional and extra faggy because they’re hiking up their estrogen levels
>>546205163male to male tranny
being healthy strong and fit is one of the best things you can do in life. gaining massive amounts of muscle to impress some fitness fanatics and judges in the hopes that it will validate your sad existence is not guarantee that the majority of bodybuilders have daddy issues. This kind of mindset requires chasing paternal acceptance you didn't get as a kid. I can kind of understand it because I have it
>>546205937Imagine saying this brainrotten sweage to a biologist.
Only female body builders
>>546205163Yes.
>>546205163Yes, but infinitely gayer.>protip; muscles aren't knoif proof
>>546209852>(((biologist)))
>>546205163it's the exact same thing yes. both a tranny and a roudtranny look at their natural normal male bodies and decide nature was wrong and they need to change it with chemicals.
>>546205163yessame as bogging
>>546205516> taking psychology seriously
>>546205372How can you be more of what you already are? Makes no sense
