According to a New York Times report (published November 13, 2026), Russia has revived maximalist security demands from late 2021 during closed-door talks with U.S. envoys on ending the war in Ukraine.https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/13/us/politics/russia-demand-nato-ukraine.htmlThe key source is a Russian position paper circulated this week in the talks (involving Abu Dhabi sessions and related discussions with Trump administration envoys such as Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff). The NYT obtained a copy from a participant.Main demands:1) Roll NATO force posture back to 1997 levels, withdrawing troops/infrastructure from Central/Eastern Europe, especially from Poland and Baltic states. 2) Ban further NATO enlargement and halt NATO military activity in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, South Caucasus, and Central Asia.3) Stop all Western arms supplies to Ukraine. End NATO nuclear-sharing; require Britain and France to rule out extending nuclear deterrence to other European states. 4) Accept Ukraines EU accession only if Ukraine is excluded from EU common defense/security policy.The demands place broader European security architecture at the center of Ukraine ceasefire/peace talks. Critics see them as an attempt to reassert a sphere of influence. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has rejected them as unacceptable threats to Polands and regional security.Is Bolanda ready to fight for its status with something more than words? Is it ready to join the war? xD
>>>/g/rave boomerJournalwhore content is more irrelevant than a shitpost on here
>>546206011Glad we have two men who inherited money and bought real estate to have somewhere to put it as our experts spearheading this.
>>546206011>Russia has revived maximalist security demands from late 2021 during closed-door talks with U.S. envoys on ending the war in Ukraine.Incorrect, the demands are way more extreme than the 2021 discussion paper they put forward. Now the demands encompass the Russian continent, not just Europe for one.
>Russia demandsThe loser of a war doesn't get to make demands. Russia started this war, and now they're going to accept whatever terms of surrender they are given.
>>546206011Trump has been sending these two clowns to the peace talks circus for 2 years already.Still haven't learned that discussing anything with russia is a waste of everyone's time.
>>546206464Russia considers itself as a winner. Countries that only print money, fart in chairs and enjoy peace (aka they dont have skin in the game) have no say during such negotiations. Verbal rejection is not enough. If Baltic chihuahas and Bolanda want status quo, they will hsve to join decimated hohols as a drone fodder and include their territories to ghe daily missile/drone warfare. Simple. Eating a popcorn and enjoying paid shilling for "winning" Ukraine finally ends. Propaganda doesnt win wars xD
>>546206011uh, son, is this war even real or was it meant to hide someone's pedobusiness?>NATOimagine like being in the era of surveillance and believing that the greatest threat is some dudes coming over your border with tanks
>>546206736Russia is a weak chihuahua. But they delude themselves into thinking they are a superpower. If russia were so powerful as you say, why haven't you moved back there?
>>546206011I would argue it's fair ONLY if Russia agrees to a DMZ.
>>546207184>Russia is a weak chihuahuaThe NATO will have to prove it by taking a direct part in the war or accept Russian demands and still enjoy peace xD
>>546206464>and now they're going to accept whatever terms of surrender they are given.Which will be when? Two weeks?
>>546207230NATO absolutely should level mosqueow to teach them a lesson. Otherwise russia will continue to conduct terrorist attacks on Europe. Europe is being far too soft on russia.
>>546207338Hahaha Nato? Without the USA Nato are limp dicked nobodys. And USA made clear, they are not getting involved.Hey maybe take a Bus to Kiew and be at the front tonight, and "kill some ziggers" but more likely get killed by a random drone.Oh you don't want to go the front? Well then shut the fuck up boomer
>>546207338Less talking, more action. Making up fake numbers of dead Russians, fake Ukrainian offensives and creating AI-generated footages of Ukrainian "succeses" is not a war, it is a shill-business and propaganda. xD
>>546207184>If russia were so powerful as you say, why haven't you moved back there?no sure about Poland, but Romania has high interest in living large off political welfare because all the contituents are literally on an EU drip-feedI guess the idea here is that you can either have strong division-of-power instittuions and companies or your can steal all the money and put them in offshores like the Romanians but not bothright now Romania is absolutely leveled economically and really the only thing that happened here was that due to world events the EU / US cannot pay out all that much so just stopping the political welfare to this country made it capsize completelypeople here typically do not work nor mind their business, they are almost all a bunch of gossip-girl spies that kvetch in case something happens and then demand payment from international bodies under threatmost EU-based drug laundering and racketeering is uniquely traceable to Romania, so they are definitely not the main contributors to a harmonyous democratic republicnow they joined arms with the phonies and the incel, lone gunman and "extreme right" polemics so they're trying to scapegoat the problems on literally school or high-school children or the Romanian police going afer random website ownersbut I don't think that to these people it's important on which side of NATO they are, whomever pays them political welfare is their friend and ally
>>546206011What. This is even more massive copium than the Transnistria drivel that was published yesterday. Surely these people can see they're just coming off as clowns now not engaged in serious negotiation. This is no longer Art of the Deal maximalist initial demands territory, it's ridiculous and the NYT should feel ashamed for posting this crap.Oh wait, they're serious? Let me laugh even harder.
>>546206011Ah yes. The age old "we get all our strategic goals and you get nothing" at 450k dead soldier stage. Let's try another peace meeting when the dead zigger count reaches 1 million.
>>546207551>Transnistria drivelIt was a yellow press bullshit published by Bild, unconfirmed. The NYT report is confirmed and far more credible.
i guess we will enjoy five more years of soviets killing each other
>>546207539>political welfarejust leaving this here because it justifies in context, but the only ones that seemed to actually care about "Moldova" and getting a democratic system going, was ironically the CIAnow when the news came out, every Romanian, even on this board was extremely happy that USAID went away, puthcing for Donald Trump, which is not very intuitive if you're also a supporter of the unifcation with Moldova>politicsI mean either way it pans, I am not personally too interested, but I am just pointing out the double-standard, the double-think and the irony of Romania being a NATO-country when it cares little about dmocracy or free speechpersonally, I'd rather be in the EU or NATO but not with these people, I don't want pedos dictating what my kids watch online while running pedoshacks but pretending they are the guardians of the Internet
>>546206011Interesting post.
>>546207403Well let's imagine that instead of just Ukraine launching drones to wreck Ruski refineries and data centers, the whole Europe would do that.That would be "doing something" at basically a very low cost. And the outcome would be zero refineries and zero data centers in Russia.
>>546207625This time Baltic chihuahas, Bolanda and Romania will be included too, if the demands are rejected again. Russia cant really allow Poland/Romania serve as supply routes for Banderland. NATO aint strong enough to have such privileges.
>>546206011>country with an army struggling for 5 years AND losing land to a third world shithole with funding problems and which ran out of all its men in 2024>doubles down on demandsold commie trick as usual. Too bad the west and nafo will shit their pants because they somehow still believe the russia is the same as 1950s USSR, and orange nigger will give in without question
>>546207675fuk lil pypa gon do?
>>546207579I just cannot believe that they would seriously try to extract concessions from NATO when they cannot even defeat a NATO proxy. These claims are insanely deluded.> Give up your nukes and give up your alliances>> Why?> So we can attack you.who is going to fall for this one. I guess the jews aren't satisfied with the rate of slav depopulation.
>>546207675keep living in your fantasy world loser in reality soviets are killing each other while they believe they are fighting the west many people call this a civil war u think germans french people care about people that were called soviets just a 3 decades ago?
>>546207710Russia can embrace territories of Bolanda and Romania with daily drone/missile strikes for starters. The infrastructure for it is already created.
>>546206011Looks like ziggers STILL approach the peace negotiations in bad faith. Oh well. Back to droning ziggers and blowing up zigger refineries. Maybe they'll start getting more serious about peace talks when another half a million ziggers die and their economy plummets even further.
>>546207338>NATO absolutely should level mosqueow to teach them a lesson. Otherwise russia will continue to conduct terrorist attacks on Europe. Europe is being far too soft on russia.Europe is soft because Europe is weak and collapsing. They (Europe) know this, so they are trying to avoid conflict to not get exposed.
>>546207792russia should just invade france from the east
>>546207675The russian chihuahua is losing to Ukraine, in what delusional world do you live in where they can demand more powerful countries to surrender to them?
>>546206011Russia can fuck off. They have no power.
>>546207682That's like Hitler giving Stalin an ultimatum while losing at Stalingrad.It's that level of delusion
>>546207729Your opinions are absolutely irrelevant because Russians consider themselves winners in this proxy NATO war. They consider NATO countries as bankrupt, deindustrialized, disarmed (thx to Ukraine/Iran wars), idiocratic, disfunctional and suffering from critical economical and social problems. If Russia was scared of NATO, it wouldnt create such demands 4 years into SMO. It increasingly confrontational because it finds itself stronger. Whining, creating fake numbers of killed Russians and posting AI-generated vids of Ukrainian "war successes" cant change their attitude. Only war can change things.
>>546206736>muh negotiationsNothing has been or will get "negotiated" there other than some private deals for the corrupt kikes involved.>Russia considers itself as a winnerNo one else does though, it's just Putin being delusional. Not even Russian milbloggers.And westoid pro-russian shills have been jumping ship like rats as well given how obvious it is by now that Russia has no chance of winning the war against Ukraine and even less so in imposing any demands on NATO.
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>>546207745HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHTHEY WONT DO SHIT BECAUSE THEYRE A PAPER TIGER HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHH HOLY SHIT IMAGINE FALLING FOR THE RUSSIA’S RED LINES AHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAH DUMB SHIT
>>546207934>No one else does thoughIt is absolutely irrelevant. You have no idea what this war is really about, what happens in result of it, as you consume only one-sided propaganda created by media and professional shills who take money for it. Balance of power already shifted, and surely not to chihuahas like your microstate that can be wiped out by Russia in days xD
>>546207955>>546207962It is not a joke tho. Russia builds massive modular drone bases near the Ukraine and Belarus borders according to satellite images, documents and reports.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/08/16/russia-builds-secret-drone-bases-in-nato-striking-distance/ExplainEquipped with dozens of launch rails (at least 59 identified, many extended for heavier models), they support rapid, high-volume launches of jet-powered long-range suicide drones such as the Geran-4 and Geran-5. These cheap yet highly destructive weapons carrying substantial warheads and flying at jet speeds with ranges around 1,000 km can be mass-produced and stored in large numbers (one site alone holds over 1,000). The infrastructure enables Russia to fire hundreds/thousands daily in sustained waves, overwhelming air defenses through sheer volume and attrition. Positioned for maximum reach, the bases cover the entire territory of Ukraine. Critically, their locations also place parts of Poland and Romania within striking distance. These two NATO countries host the primary land supply corridors funneling Western weapons, ammunition, and aid to Ukrainian forces. Strikes or threats against those routes could severely disrupt logistics and in 100% isolate Ukraine from the outer world amid current ports blockade.Ukraine struggles to destroy these drone launchers because the sites are numerous, dispersed deep inside Russia, shielded by dense air defenses, and the simple rails plus storage are cheap and rapidly rebuildable making sustained, decisive strikes impractical with limited long-range munitions.
>>546207934wtf I love zesty nick now
>>546207850>The russian chihuahua is losing to UkraineUkraine lost half of it's population. Does that look like winning?
>>546208035>"I-I’m not kidding here in pooland nobody is celebrating"BRO YOU NEED TO LAUNCH THESE DESTRUCTIVE DRONES SOMEWHERE HAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAH THAT IS IF THE RUSSIA EVEN DARES HHAHAHAHAAHHA FUCKING RETARD
>>546207962>YOU WON'T DO SHIT>literally turned ukraine into a dark, smoking crater-filled wasteland.
>>546208159Will faggots, childfuckers and raft niggers inhabiting Norway fight in a direct war vs Russia, if Russian drones and missiles begin to hit airports/ports, refineries and warehouses on territories of Poland and Romania taking part in supplying Ukraine with fuel?
>According to a New York TimesDropped like a shitty psyop.
Just accept it already, you get buffer zone and no any more wars in Europe. It worth it.
>>546208178You don’t seem to understand the differences in the power dynamics of Ukraine and HATO. Keep in mind the scenario you’re talking about took 5 years to accomplish against a literal neighbor with huge shortfalls of interceptor supplies and, aside from funding and hand-me-down surplus equipment from last century, is entirely on its own.The fact the russia is STILL stuck in donetsk after 5 years with minimal victories and relying almost entirely on terror strikes in kijow with no real strategic advantage tells how quickly they will be decimated once a missile lands in some poor plumber’s hut. Laugh all you want at EU, but their air superiority is unmatched with what the russia can field over occupied hoholland
>>546208325U r the buffer zone, smirnoff (not a good one but still)
>>546206736>Countries that only print money, fart in chairs and enjoy peace (aka they dont have skin in the game) have no say during such negotiations. Verbal rejection is not enough.the answer is no. its that simple.if russia really wants it they have to come take it (but they wont).
>>546208325There are no wars where NATO is
>>546208233how long will the russia zigerian army in oinkraine last once 5th gens and the whole arsenal of nafoid ballistic missiles enters the stage? Keep in mind zegroes have been only fighting a nation with no real navy, no real air force, and with no notable tactical inventory of missiles. The whole war from their side has been mad max tactics and indiscriminate terror strikes which after 5 years hasn’t brought down their enemy. You do NOT understand the dynamics here.
>>546208404OK, then. Russia will most probably embrace territories of NATO with missile and drone strikes to accelerate the fall of Ukraine. German economy is already in very bad shape and will be in only worse shape when the destruction spreads all over its neocolonies in Eastern Europe
>>546207986>just thinking that it's a winner is enough>reality is irrelevantYes, transwinners is real winners.The whole world must respect transwinners rights.>wiped out by Russia in dayswhere have we heard that before?
>>546208461>ok then>we will do it srsly>n-no srsly any day nowlollmao even
>>546206011Wow surely this means negotiations are going well if Russia is starting to demand things it had previously given up on!
>>546208461>Russia will most probablykeep taking it like the bitch it is
>>546208339That is a lot of cope that spilled out of you there.The fact remains that Ukraine is now a hollowed-out, charred desert with no power and no economy and the continuation of the war only serves to further torment it's people.A leader who actually cares for his people would have realised long ago that continuing the war is pointless and surrendered, but the rat of Kiev is no Ukrainian, he is a jew.
>>546208035Nigger, in a hot fight you would lose the Kola Peninsula within a week. NATO knows that Russia has no chance, Russia knows and you know it too, but are you too busy with your cope
>>546207334Russia lost this war when Putin ordered the invasion in 2022. I watched this whole mess when it started in 2014. When we saw Girkin kill the plane filled with tulip eaters, when Givi made his silly videos or Motorolla ran around doing his stupid shit.All Putin had to do in 2022 was go:>JK no invasion.And fuck off.The NATO alliance would have shattered instantly. Instead now we have almost five years of retarded russian propaganda selling a forever war for literal no gain except replacing russian gopniks with browns.No idea if that is a win or loss, but not starting this retarded war would have helped Russia infinitely more.
>>546208461The would be awesome.Hopefully those vatniggers have the decentcy to ask China to help them create war mechas.I want to get hunted by a giant robot. :(
>>546208616Less talking, more action. This is pathetic. If GAYTO was smth more than deindustrialized, disarmed and toothless scam, Russia would never make such demands. I want to see NATO on the battlefield, winning war with Russia, then i will believe xD
>>546207644Well lets imagine that would be the case. Bukareszt would be a pile of nuclear glowing rubble, same as Helsinki, the entire Baltic, Warsaw, Berlin, Paris, DenHague, London.....>b-but French and UK nukesnot modernized in 40 years. Its highly doubtful they would make it over Ukraine, let alone into Russia>B-but Moscow in two weeksits appears as if nothing changed since Napoleon>W-We only need to take Moscow to defeat Russia>Oh sacre-bleu how could we loseRussia is not just the western partsso if you realllllllly feel that strong about that annoying spammed not happening in Ukraine, get your fucking ass to the front and "KiLL tHoSe ZiGgERs" or shut the fuck up cowardThat is why you are so annoying you retarded NAFO cretins. If you would have maybe the spine where you mouth is, and get your ass into the ditch, maybe one could find some respect for your case. but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOendless online spam>pleasssse somebody else kill da zigger>noooot meThat is why Ukraine is hated. (you), (you) are annoying faggots, that instead of doing pro-Ukrainian propaganda are actually doing the job for the Russians, making the engagement in Ukraine unpopular
>>546208602Ukraine won't surrender unless russia's peace terms are not:>Surrender so we can kill you all more easily. Don't believe me? Check who lives in Mariupol now. A whole lot of browns and asiatics.
>>546206011>New York Timesexplanation: Zion pedos are trying to dictate own rules and "solutions", which actually were never talked about. The "idea of Putin" is a massive fake news BS.
>>546208452Everywhere where nato is, wars begin.
>>546208339>Laugh all you want at EU, but their air superiority is unmatched with what the russia can field over occupied hohollandThis is the crux of it. Russia couldn't gain air superiority over fucking UKRAINE. We have seen at least one S-500 radar destroyed by a fucking drone and multiple S-400s. These systems are absolutely ripe for the picking by SEAD/DEAD-heads. Does that mean there will be zero losses of western airframes? Of course not. F-35 in particular is only meaningfully stealthy when viewed from its front hemisphere -- the rear will light up just fine, and the old tactic of late-painting will work well for Russia. But it is a near inevitability that Russian air defenses will be defeated and then NATO can send in the lower-survivability CAS platforms to strike Russian logistics, armor, and troop positions, thereby enabling the kind of maneuvering war which is the antidote to drones. More than countermeasures or anything else, the drone-defeating doctrine is strategic maneuver. You cannot let front lines consolidate into trenches. It would be a bloody war, and one which NATO would need to quickly adjust to, but it still has all the tools it needs to defeat an already-weakened Russia.
>>546208699>which actually were never talked aboutRussian officials (Putins aide Ushakov) confirmed that all demands presented by NYT report are real but they are not full - list of demands was increased beyond all these points.
>>546208602>concern trolling
>>546208743>It would be a bloody war, and one which NATO would need to quickly adjust to, but it still has all the tools it needs to defeat an already-weakened Russia.Thats what i am talking about. Bolanda will have to fight on the battlefield for the status quo xD
>>546208325Just accept it already, you are the buffer zone, will have your army size limited, pay war reparations, and send Putin to the Hague.
>>546208784>identifying yourself as an enemy tribeYou are really the best Russian propaganda could hope forIncompetent retards that do their job by being annyoing unfunny faggots
>>546208821Let's send Donald, too.
>>546208668>UK and France's nukes don't work>But russia's do!This is the most pitiful zigger cope I have seen today. Russia is weak, Ivan. You lost this war you started. Why do you bother with a VPN when it's obvious you are not European? You are brown, like all russia shills.
>>546206011They are clearly not willing to end the war and are just taking a piss
>>546206011>revivesthe rollback of nato has been a key russian condition since december 2021, it wasn't "revived", and it's not exactly a demand. just a preferred outcome to total extinction of poland, romania, finland and the rest of chihuahuas. if they prefer to be dead, then that's fine too.
>>546208515>transwinnersKekI knew it. Everything russia does is tranny shit. From their mil tech (gen4 planes indenrifying as Gen5) to their state mandeted anal rape.Now, 1,5 Million pidors got raped by ukies and they reall think they are winning. Russia, never change, just stay nigger.
>>546208885Russia, same as the USA has never really adhered to the UN bullshit around nuclear self castration; you weren't getting tired of pointing that out, weren't you. The UK and France were 110% on board and implemented every bullshit coming out of New York. That is now biting them in the ass
>>546206011That's so sensitive.Obviously the effect of the war is going to be that countries see little reason not to stage at least first response forces anywhere someone will have them. If similar situations exist in the east with China and the US or other states then China begins to look like an imperial power. I'm not saying many forces would be present but the more Russia maintains such a stance the less Europe would be interested in pursuing peace. Also I don't think Russia understands that their historic advantages to controlling land don't exist with drone targeting anymore.
>>546208946>taking a pisstaking the pisssipstea.jpg
>>546208616>within a week>Kola Peninsulaleast obvious sir hohol who bravely plan ending of finish nation to apase his bandera delulu straight from Cottbus plattenbau paid by germs
>>546206464>Russia is losing>This is why their demands are increasing>This is why Ukraine is kidnapping men off its streets and sending women to the front linesLol, lmao even. Eurotrash are well past cope at this point. I hope Putin takes Poland as reparations.
>>546209043Europe has no leverage. Literally non. No relevant armed forces, no relevant resources, no geo strategic relevancy.
>>546208957>just a preferred outcome to total extinction of poland, romania, finland and the rest of chihuahuasRomanians are best-friends with RussiansI don't think you realize this but Romania is the one and only country that after the fall of the Soviet Union sent a delgation to sign folloup pacts with the Soviet Union when everybody else including the Bulgarians were secretly glad it went away>NATOif the current EU chief prosecutor is an individual with a thesis that has been plagiarized page-by-page, Russian-style, how much would you assess that a "general" organization like NATO would have been infiltrated by "Russians" by now?I mean, if if you one and only signature is all about being a repressive spy without any significant results, do you really think you'd be fighting for a "free" world where you would lose all that privilege and control? lest, be held accountible for it?
>>546208682>Ukraine won't surrender unless russia's peace terms are not:>Surrender so we can kill you all more easily. If you're going to just blatantly lie then maybe don't make your made up criteria something that hasn't already happened. Russia has effectively killed Ukraine and they're running out of men, hence all the propaganda being batted around all the European countries telling the population to "prepare to be drafted!" (and sent to Ukraine).>>546208784>implyingI'm not Ukrainian. No shit I don't really care about what happens in Ukraine. I never said I did. I am merely making observations about the actions of it's leader don't really make any sense unless he had complete disregard for the interests of the Ukrainian populace and his true allegiance was elsewhere, one such possibility would be israel to which he also claims citizenship.Try again retard.
>>546207555Its like 300k on Russia and 1.5 million dead for Ukraine. Ukraine hasn't even had air support for 80% of this war it started. The levels of Eurocope in this thread are laughable.
Alright look aside from drones there's one thing that modern militaries can do to stop this form of warfare. You make a grid of artillery shells that double as sound or motion sensor mines and use smart tech to turn fields into no go zones that have been annexed by the fire. Literally just blue tooth devices and some wireless power in an arty shell. You position guns across a field and launch salvos and take hostage any troops in the area or require more drones than anyone can build because an arty shell is literally cheaper than a drone. If anyone knows that in this region that would be the main matured technology for taking land then you only would be suspicious not of drones and troops but of artillery. I'd been holding this card to some standard of secrecy for awhile.
>>546209127Not true. They have land and tech. Those will always be cards that can be played
>>546206011Ukros should start picking apart power lines next.
>>546208711This. Best move US could make is to leave the UN and Nato and leave Israel and Israeli projects like Ukraine to the wolves. Not our problem.
>>546209129>prepare to be draftedLook into this thread. Do you think the big mouth nafo troon shills here would happily go on and die in a ditch or quickly change their tune if it was about their ass. Yeah, if they had a spine and wouldn't be cowards, they would not be here risking a big lip, but would be in a ditch for the past 4 years, and likely dead
>>546209238More like making hundreds AI generated vids of them doing this to extract more money from Eurofaggots xD
>>546209219Until the first nuke lands in Krakow when brinksmanship fails. US wont get involved in that. You dumb niggers have false flagged so many times you earned it.
>>546209219You are stuck in the 1950s.Europe has no relevant tech, it is 100% dependent on US tech. its people are by 55% welfare leeches, either bureaucrats scum, boomers on public pensions or straight out welfare recipients.
>>546207729the goal is to set a baseline for negotiations and from there try to get what you want. russia's demands turn the negotiations into talking about how much ukraine will have to give up instead of leaving things where they are currently at
>>546209315>welfare recipientsYou mean "new europeans." Kek. Wonder if that sea of browns is willing to die for Israel's project in Ukraine. Something tells me no.
>>546208035Well and how are those "massive modular drone bases" faring against Ukraine right now?You think they need 5 more years to take Donbas?
>>546209317This tends to happen when Ukraine is losing catastrophically and Russia will be less likely to give back any land it took. After all, Ukraine started this war as a NATO proxy.
>>546209359Not just debt per head dilution imports. The statistics are clear cut. The majority in every European country hangs on the tit of over indebted "states"
>>546208233Fuck around and find out.Then you get into a war with NATO.Should be easy for Russia, after they finish taking Donbas. Maybe in the next 5 years.
>>546209375>Well and how are those "massive modular drone bases" faring against Ukraine right now?Everyday, Russia launches 250 glide bombs, hundreds of drones and tens of missiles vs Ukraine every fucking day. USrael got its stockpiles of precise munitions depleted after less of 2 months of comparable firepower xD
>>546208711no, what happens is russia attacks everywhere nato isn't then chimps out when more countries apply to join nato because russia is too cowardly to attack nato. russia has proven the best defense against its imperialism warmongering is nato
>>546209404Emm with ratifying the EUMAM mission to deploy troops inside Ukraine EU-nato closed every lane for an Article 5 trigger.The USA can just point to the EUMAM and tell its "partners" to go pound sand because they were the aggressor
>>546206011>End NATO nuclear-sharing; require Britain and France to rule out extending nuclear deterrence to other European states.Why should this be a concern if Russia just wants peace?
>>546208668>Ima nook you if you don't let me take DonbasDidn't realise how strategically important are those few extra cities in the Donbas that dumbass Putin would actually go to nuclear war with NATO.Stay deluded HIVan.
>>546209402no, russia is losing and russia started the war. the demands aren't focused at ukraine, they are focused on the west. russia is losing, it's a fact confirmed everywhere except telegram shills such as yourself, but the war could still drag out and ukraine is only supported by western investment. russia's goal to make it hurt the west financially then force them to push ukraine to the table
>>546209129If Ukraine were out of men, Russia would steamroll the frontline and not rely on long range strikes to knock out the power and heating. Wargoals the US achieved during desert storm within weeks in the fucking 1990ies mind you.Russia still wants all of Ukraine, all of eastern europe and will deport the populace of conquered territories and settle it with asiatics and jeets.Anyone who denies that, never read a book.So read a book, nigger.
>>546209470Aggressor means ATTACKING.Troops that defend themselves against attacks do not attack.Attacking would mean actually launching stuff in Russia's direction.
>>546209127>reply to memefagjeworhoholawarddude
>>546209535Donbas has been practically Russian for 4 years, same as the rest of the territories it held for the past 4 years. Donbas and the rest of former Eastern Ukraine haven't been Ukrainian for 4 years and are never going to be again Ukrainian. No matter how much you idiots spamSo if you want for the territories to be Ukrainian again, get your ass in a bus and be on the front today
>>546209293>>546209243>>546209168>>546209083>murica should just leave NATO, Europe's lost!Holy shit you are as delusional as you are stupid.Look fat, Ukraine is an american proxy war. american wants Ukraine as a vassal, you spent decades trying to influence them with soft power and when that failed you just did a soft-coup and installed the rat of Kiev thinking Putin would just sit idly by and watch it happen.NATO is an american organisation, the purpose of which being to project american power, hence why the vast majority of it's funding comes from you.Your losing of the proxy war to Russia is just another indicator of america's decline in both relevance and actual power, when it comes down to it your military is a bloated, wasteful, ineffectual clown show that can't accomplish it's objectives. Ukraine has just been embarrassment after embarrassment for america, it can't even control it's puppet zelensky because he's a hubristic little jewish rat who can always just flee back to israel in a private jet with a military escort.Whatever comes after the war will entail america and Europe being driven further apart, which is only a good thing for Europe.You faggots will have your hands full with Iran anyway, I very much look forward to the drone footage of you brownoid subhumans getting blown up in 4k.
>>546206011That's obviously a lie.>According to a Jew York Times
>>546208846bro what the fuck are you talking about >>546209129> I'm not Ukrainian. No shit I don't really care about what happens in Ukraine. I never said I did. I am merely making observations about the actions of it's leader don't really make any sense unless he had complete disregard for the interests of the Ukrainian populace and his true allegiance was elsewhere, one such possibility would be israel to which he also claims citizenship.>Try again retard.holy shit text book concern trolling once more, gg retard
>>546209582Alexander Grables paper "Irretrievable Losses” (Kings College London War Studies) appears in the official 2026 Russia Seminar proceedings of the Finnish National Defence University. This is a mainstream military-academic venue, not a fringe outlet, lending institutional credibility to an open-source analysis that challenges Western propaganda claims of Russian losses exceeding Ukrainian ones. Far more credible analysis than "Belarusian-Partisan Hacker" LLM-generated "leak" for sure xDhttps://www.doria.fi/handle/10024/195520Grable finds Ukrainian irretrievable losses substantially higher in absolute and relative terms.Key evidence:Ukrainian MoH/NISS amputee statistics (even adjusted downward to match top US War on Terror medical survival rates) imply 400,000-520,000 Ukrainian KIA by late 2024. Parallel Russian military-hospital data (via defector) show far fewer amputees relative to admissions.Body-exchange ratios average 12.5 Ukrainian dead returned per 1 Russian.Mediazona-style open-source Russian death tallies show inflation when cross-checked against obituaries and probate records (e.g., a 4,000-man 2025 prisoner cohort yielded only 112 corroborated deaths).These point to Ukraine being on the wrong side of the attrition gradient. Russia imposes highly unfavorable ratios through superior firepower, training, and its massive reconnaissance-strike complex: mass artillery (high shell/rocket output with radically improved precision), glide bombs (UMPK kits enabling precise, standoff strikes from aircraft), and drones (FPV and reconnaissance for targeting that Russia scaled to millions). This combination allows Russia to inflict casualties at range while limiting its own exposure in the attritional fight.Hence the number of cold hohols is at least 10x higher than number of cold Russians, according to the report/analysis xD
>>546209499russia doesn’t expect its opponents to think
>>546209571>Its confirmed everywhereAlmost as if one tiny group of people control the media and can claim any blatant falsehood they want.
>>546209585Not in the Nato treaty language.With the EU council having ratified to deploy troops of EU-NATO member countries as an active party in an active theater, every lane for an article 5 trigger are off the tableif one wants to be purist, the EU is at war with Russia officially since Monday this week, and it was not Russia that declared war on the EU. so the EU is the aggressor
>>546209699Okay, now send me a recipe for Pierogi.
>>546209582>uhhh Ukraine isn't losing! Because... Uhh... Remember this one conflict america had with a bunch of impoverished brownoids in the fucking NINETIES?Delusional memeflag retard, you are terrible at this. I am glad for data autists like this >>546209699 anon who can disprove your bullshit in absolute terms, but being able to intuit it is enough for me. Now fuck off.
>>546209680Thank you for showing everybody you don't understand what "concern trolling" means you complete retard.
>>546209753The EU isn't at war with Russia, you retard. You probably don't even know how the EU works.Raped your daughter yet, Joseph?
>>546209699THIS ISNT MEDIA CONSENSUS! STOP CONTRADICTING CIA TALKING POINTS!
>>546209753Art 5 is voluntary anyway. There was no Art 5 when some NATO members went to Afghanistan.The fact is that Euro countries would pull together if they got attacked.We don't expect anything from the USA, anyway.
>>546209873>The fact is that Euro countries would pull together if they got attackedI would love to see this. xD
>>546209753EU was always the aggressor. They were trying to put nuclear missiles in Ukraine. It was the main point how The Ukraine started this war.
>>546209850>The EU isn't at war with RussiaNot according to EU leaders. EU leaders are openly talking about defeating Russia on the battlefield and fragmenting the Russian state.
>>546209083I’ll put it in terms you might understand:You know how Zion Don keeps suing people for billions of dollars and then losing?Making your claims bigger is what losers do in the hope that the other side meets somewhere in the middle.
>>546209850If one wants to be a purist, it is.The CSDP, the EU security and military policy framework has ratified on monday through the council to deploy troops into Ukraine. In a purist view that is equal to a declaration of war. And any attack by Russia against a territory of an active party in the ongoing theater is covered from an IR perspective
>>546209813>Henlo, I am brown and can't read.1.)I never said Ukraine wasn't losing. Fighting a modern war is losing by definition.2.)Desert Storm was a perfectly executed limited campaign with achievable objectives.3.)I was pointing out that Russia never had any Plan B when their own delusioms of "Uh, Ukronazis will collapse once we attack". It's kind of telling that a drug clown like Zelensky is somehow the Schödinger's warmonger. He's singlehandedly stopping peace yet also laundering money and taking drugs by the boatloads.4.)Read a book, double nigger.
>>546209960>he posts bravely from behind a memeflagLmao! You dont even have the courage to post without a memeflag. Everything you say is Jewish until proven gay.
>>546210032Every zigger shill is on a VPN with a US flag so that’s not an argument.
>>546209944Maybe we should have started by first putting nuclear missiles in our countries, don'tcha thinkWho would waste them on installing them in poor as fuck Ukraine
>>546209944That doesn't cover it. It might suck from an Russian perspective, but its not a declaration of war or an active act of aggression. Where deploying troops OFFICIALLY into an active war theater is from a purist view an declaration of war and the party that deployed the troops in the active theater is the aggressor, which is relevant for Article 5 of the NATO treaty
>>546209947Okay Z-tard. Post proofs that are not biolabs tier schizo babble.>>546209973This pic means you can't read.The EU mandate for training missions and non combat support is being extended. That is a very narrow legal frame work for 300 million.If the EU as a whole were really at war with russia, you wouldn't be able to post here and all media outlets would be seized immidiately. So no, nobody in europe except Ukraine is at war with Russia directly. It is still a proxy war that makes Rheinmetall rich beyound belief.
>>546210168It doesn't matter if the troops are in the ACTIVE WAR ZONE for combat, training or shroom gathering, the EU is now an active party of the ongoing war OFFICIALLY
>>546206011>4) Accept Ukraines EU accession only if Ukraine is excluded from EU common defense/security policy.those lying europussies cant be trusted with thisKEEP THOSE FUCKING HOHOLS OUT !
>>>546208622>Russia lost this war when Putin ordered the invasion in 2022>>546209977>1.)I never said Ukraine wasn't losing.HAHAHAHAHAHAPutin lost the war already?But Ukraine IS losing?Which is it you mutt RETARD?And you keep spamming>read a book>read a book>read a bookNigger you don't even read what you posted 40 FUCKING MINUTES AGO LMAO>2.)Desert Storm was a perfectly executed limited campaign with achievable objectives.More wanking off burgermutts fighting asymmetrical conflicts, fuck off gaylord.the rest of your post is just>you need to be scared of the Russian boogie man! He's gonna invade cornwall next just you wait and see!You're obviously some kind of jewmutt-aligned brownoid. Terrible show memeflag.
>>546210168>all media outlets would be seized immidiately.The reason this isnt plastered all over the propaganda outlets and why I found it by CHANCE checking in on the councli press releases is because it would not help the propaganda effort if it was widely known that the EU is now OFFICIALLY an active party in the war.I guess the hope is that Russia reacts accordingly and then the propaganda rags and you fags can run around and scream>rUsSiA atTaCkEd NaTo unProVOkED>toTaL wAr noWwhen in reality the EU declared war on monday
>>546210260Russia never opposed Ukraines membership in the EU, it even encouraged it. Only NATO was out of question. Russians know very well that the best way to destroy already bankrupt EU from inside is making Ukraine its member xD
>>546208452>There are no wars where NATO isbut everywhere it wants to be
>>546209977Also>He's singlehandedly stopping peace yet also laundering money and taking drugs by the boatloads.These two things aren't incompatible, you dumb fuck. It's plainly obvious to anyone with basic pattern recognition that keeping the war going means more war gibs which means more opportunity to embezzle money, you fucking memeflag idiot.
>>546210435Moreover Russia uses Ukrainian population as its own "sleeping agents" who are later hired to blow up weapon factories and infrastructure in NATO if needed xD
>>546210435Ukraine could have never joined NATO, simply because they're way too corrupt.Really if Russia wanted to make sure Ukraine would never join NATO all it had to do is just keep funding its oligarchs to control business and the judiciary.Then Ukraine would never join NATO.Much cheaper and smarter than spending half a trillion bucks on a 5 year war that doesn't even take 4 oblasts.
does anyone take these 'peace' talks seriously? russians are delulu and trumps kike pair only care about what they can get out of it. its been 2 years of these fruitless talks and nothing has changed, and nothing will change with these amateurs
The joint US Inspector General report on Operation Atlantic Resolve was just published. It covers events through September 30, 2026, documenting severe destruction across Ukraines energy, industrial, agricultural, and civilian sectors.https://www.stateoig.gov/report-348Sustained missile and drone barrages destroyed more than half of Ukraines power generation capacity, leaving the grid in a structural deficit reliant on nuclear baseload generation. Strikes on deep-water Black Sea ports, grain silos, and loading terminals paralyzed Odesas maritime traffic and cut grain and oilseed export volumes by roughly 50%, crippling commodities that normally generate 60% of Ukraines total export earnings. The report also details the widespread destruction of centralized heating networks, high-voltage substations, alongside extensive landmine contamination of farmland, leaving over 11 million people in humanitarian need while 100% of domestic state revenues are consumed by defense.Because this oversight assessment stops at the end of September, it omits the devastating escalation that unfolded up to November 14, 2026. In September and October, targeted ballistic missile strikes hit seven blast furnaces across Metinvest and ArcelorMittal facilities, slashing national steel production by 80% and forcing ArcelorMittal Kryvyi Rih into a cold shutdown until the war ends. By November, Russian forces intensified strikes against high-voltage substations connecting the Rivne and Khmelnytskyi nuclear plants to central regions, forcing reactors to throttle output because damaged transmission lines could not carry the electricity. These compounding losses have plunged Kyiv Oblast into 14-to-17-hour daily blackouts ahead of winter.
>>546206464USA is solving so called "russia-ukranian war" using USA's Grey Cardinal Kushner who is traveling around including Moscow not vice versa.Putin won.
>>546210593Kushner is trying to get NATO to surrender because Diaper Donny wants that, but Europe will obviously never accept that. No matter how much America is helping Putin out, russia has already lost. Badly. The longer russia keeps fighting the worse their surrender terms will become.
>>546208743>air superiorityIts drone and ballistic and cruise missile superiority granpa.
Russian MOD published footage of its Strategic Missile Force loading an RS-24 Yars nuclear missile into a silo, days before denuclearization talks with Trump and Xi in Shenzhen, China.
>>546210648Still a fact. A superpower busy solving a regional war they have 0 connection. Or there is a connection but people like you calling that "russian propaganda".Anyway, Putin completely chill anшeы donnie who swings between Europe and Russia.
George Friedman just suggested that Bolanda (a new regional power) will never accept new Russian demands of the NATO rollback and it is going to fight heroically for its NATO membership up to the last Pole (just like Ukraine)https://x.com/George_Friedman/status/2121315557521719387Kewl. I do approve. Cant wait for Polacks winning daily in the Western media and on X - Ukrainian victories are so boring and predictable already, we need a refreshment xD
>>546206011The Duran guys said similar, and even predicted it a couple days before the meetings
>>546209675Peace talks are meaningless anyway, when Zelensky is saying what he will never agree to sealing neutral status of the Hruckraine in the constitution. If he's against even that minimum minimorum, there is no point talking.THD will continue.
>>546210798>Russia’s proposal is risky. But so is rejecting it. Can a country like Poland, the easternmost major NATO power, accept this proposal, and can it rely on the rest of Europe to help enforce it? It’s a question worth asking. So is the question of whether Russia can afford to continue its war. By refusing this solution and extending the conflict, there is the possibility that the regime that led Russia into this disaster might collapse.https://x.com/George_Friedman/status/2121354403491832293War with Bolanda will most likely cause a collapse of Russia. Worth trying xD
>>546210857Peace talks are meaningless because russia does not want peace. Putin will not stop until he has all of Ukraine, and all of the former soviet union. Which obviously will never happen because russia is far too weak to even hold the currently occupied territories in Ukraine. But as long as Putin rules russia, there will be no peace because he's not living in reality, and thinks russia is a superpower instead of the weak chihuahua it actually is.
>>546210708>denuclearization talksAnother doomed initiative, as it's an another jewish trick, beneficial only to Muttmerica with it's 1,5trln zogbot budget.
>>546209074Take a look at the map. The whole pensula is supplied by one Highway an two rail roads. Finnland in NATO is thr biggest strategic blunder of this century
>>546210960>Peace talks are meaningless because russia does not want peace.Why would Putin want peace when he is winning? Peace makes sense when neither side can advance.
