Russia demands that NATO return to its 1997 borders and stop supporting Ukrainehttps://archive.is/AJokT
NATO Expansion in 1997
What's the strategy of making ever larger demands from a ever worsening position of weakness?
>>546211810LolSo he doesn't want to end the war ...
I demand a harem of nubile virginal teen girls
>>546211971He learned it from the same kikes that taught it to Donald.
>>546211769Okay. NATO demands Putins head on a pike and ass as relief toy for african migrants
>>546212061Russia doesn't have kikes. Never didLiterally all of them are from Pale of Settlement, Ukraine
>>546211769>russia demandsRussia's demands are worth about as much as their nuke threats
>>546211971russia is losing in ukraine, but ukraine isn't winning the war. the war isn't about ukraine at this point it's about the west and how much more money they want to contribute to a war ukraine cannot win in the end
>>546211769euroaches won't take the easy way because their brains are too smooth and zero prefrontal cortex. also they love to die for jews. it's their purpose just like ww2 was run by jew hitler and germans followed him to their death
>>546212178Imagine arguing with a Finnish/Ukrainian/Polish flag in 2026. Just let them learn their lesson the hard way. It’s literally what they want.
>>546211769
>>546211769>demand NATO to go back or youll start the war>lose the war with Ukraine>demand NATO to go backAre all russians that retarded?
Fliberty Butumal....
>>546211769Russia can't demand shit. That's not winning.
>>546211769>return to 1997 borders and stop supporting Ukraine if you want to stop Russians getting killed for nothing
>>546212178Spending 1 percent of your GDP to eliminate the Russian threat is not a bad deal desu.
>>546211769What is this bitch going to do? Bomb some empty Ukraine village again?
>>546211769Ukraine will end this war under NATO.Russia killed off half a million of it's own people, and maimed two more milion to annex 20% of Ukraine under the pretense of fighting NATONATO will annex 80% of Ukraine without firing a single shot Kek
>>546211971Who the hell does he think he is, Jared's father-in-law?
>>546212029winner takes it allsimple as
>>546211769These are reasonable demands.There were agreements about not-expansion and NATO broke them, plus most newer NATO members don't want to be in NATO anywayI think that should happen
>>546212366And NATO is going to sell pregos and pasteis de nata when it's over right in the middle of kiev
>>546211971>>546212304Putin has no idea how the war is actually going. He thinks russia is advancing steadily all the time. The field commanders lies to army command, and then army command lies to putin. Official russian maps claim that russia has captured several cities they aren't even close to, in some cases the frontline is 30 kilometers from the city. They also pretend like ukrainian counteroffensives never happened
>>546212427Is that in written in Russia fairy tales? You're not winning.
>>546211769Russia's bargaining position seems highly dubious.
>>546211769Can't you just drone this stupid fuck and end this whole miserable situation?
>>546212471>Putin has no idea how the war is actually going. He thinks russia is advancing steadily all the time. The field commanders lies to army command, and then army command lies to putin.is this the NAFO headcanon?That Putin thinks he's already in Kyiv?
>>546211971> from a ever worsening position Did BBC or CNN told you that? Stop believing in globalhomo liesRussia is wining and winning hard.Ukraine is done for, EU is on brink of collapse and America wasted too much resources on IranPlus America wants to have Russia as an ally and panther, not as enemy, because Russia has much to offerThe reality is that Russia can demand that and Trump sees this as a good opportunity to gain an actually valuable ally instead of Europe
>>546212427they aren't reasonable demands because there's nothing that can be done about it. even if someone agreed, there is no way to expel members from nato. if what you said is true then countries can leave nato any time they want so why hasn't that happened?>There were agreements about not-expansion and NATO broke themnope
>>546212500You could have one of your vokda people do it you know? I honestly don't get Russia leadership. They were starting to get neutral from Europe point of view and then started this pointless war. You had a good gig going by selling oil and other raw materials and just had to improve other things.
>>546211769>Russia demands that NATO return to its 1997 borders and stop supporting UkraineSend more weapons to Ukraine
>>546211769>Russia demandsThe balls on those weak faggots.
>>546212548Man you're really delusional. Russia didn't do any significant shit in several months or years.
>>546211769Or what?
>>546211769NATO Gimme back my vassal states
>>546211769>Russia demands nextponextPolland Bolland's non negotiable
>>546212517Have you been stuck under a rock for the past year or two? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-ukraine-war-russia-army-lying-b3048559.htmlRussian military commanders are literally using AI to fabricate evidence of military victories that never happened.https://tvpworld.com/96401349/russia-uses-ai-generated-videos-to-exaggerate-battlefield-gains-in-ukraine
>>546211971If they are in an ever worsening position of weakness then you don't have to accept the proposal, faggot. If you're winning why are you bitching at what putin or whoever says?
>>546212220Why do you talk so big when you still haven't taken the Donbass and while your refineries are getting droned every week? You had every advantage against Ukraine; terrain, their corrupt government, vastly more resources and manpower yet you still failed and humiliated yourself.If you tried to invade us it wouldn't be a attritional war like in Ukraine. We would simply encircle you and massacre you in the millions during the first months while having total air superiority to bomb whatever we wish.
>>546211769Results of the Ukraine warRussia lostUkraine lostEU lostUSA wonChina won
>>546212517>that putin thinks he's in kyivYou're a vatnigger, so I understand you Don't know how to read, so please learn to before replying to me again, thanks
>>546211971they hope to totally destroy ukrainian infrastructureit's a demand to continue the warthey will spill propaganda that it's the europe who are the warmongers and the whole situation is europe's fault and he would have gotten away with it if not for the pesky europe but europe has no place at the negotiating table because they are irrelevantaccording to alaskan deal the support for ukraine was supposed to be withdrawn by now
>>546212548Will you take the Donbass by the 5th anniversary of the war or do you need another 5 years? How's the petrol supply and the heating expenses?
>>546212584> they aren't reasonable demands because there's nothing that can be done about itThere a lot of can be done about that> there is no way to expel members from natoUSA can make one. Or these countries will just leave by their own OR face consequences in the form of Russian military might>>546212474CNN and BBC lie to you, friend. Russia in winning.>>546212652Russia is using grinding tactics where Russian forces just grind Ukrainian personnel from safe positionCurrent KD ratio is 39 Ukrainians per 1 Russian despite Russia using only 2% of its military power with 20m people in reserveIt's already settled. Ukraine will be depopulated and surrender. Russia will save most of its military power by using this tactics
>>546212595I don't why or how he's security is so loyal to him (especially considering half of them are probably ethnic Ukrainians), but it's just that, he's notoriously well guarded.
>>546212654Or Trump will sanction you to the stone age
>>546211769Reminder putin is half jewish and part of chabad
>>546212595>They were starting to get neutral from Europe point of view and then started this pointless war.Popular opinion in Europe was already more favourable towards Russia than towards the U.S before the war.And with Trump triggering the libshit establishment, Russia would be overwhelmingly favoured over the U.S by all aspects of society except kikes.With the inevitable rise of the far Right in Europe, which would rise even harder without this war framing far-right parties as treasonous foreign agents, Russia would steal all of Europe from the U.S before the 30's without firing a single shot.But instead they decided to hang themselves in Ukraine.
>>546212907Youre a golem and you will die for jews like the lesser animal you are
>>546212098>Russia doesn't have kikes. Never didDeliberately ignorant of organically obtuse?
>>546212500Uh oh, FSB will NOT like this post
>>546212427>NATO members don't want to be in NATO anywayLol, jeet
>>546212517It is. Tons over tons of redditard tier bots. This is the reality of 4chin now.
>>546212826I don't understand the demilitarization narrative. Russians tell to themselves that Europe has no arms and would fall to the great PCCRN in a week yet at the same time the main cope for why you have failed to occupy the Donbass is because "The entire NATO is waging a total war against Russia!"
>>546213024Just jewish pilpul, soviets are famous for it
>>546212826>Russia is using grinding tacticsTrue, your retarded ass generals are grinding your armed forces into dust against the poorest country in europe before ever engaging NATO.You larped as a superpower just to realize how rotted out your army was from 30 years of total corruption
>>546213110see
>>546212951Zelensky is literally a jewUkraine is controlled by jews>>546213069This is trueMost people in these countries do not want to die for Ursula's billions and they prefer peace with Russia
>>546211769i demand putin lick my dirty asshole
>>546213110>I don't understand the demilitarization narrative.Sorry not sorry you are retarded. Now that we agree, it is a good time to leave internet.
>>546213069Russia rightfully fears the power of NATO. Not because NATO ever had plans to attack Russia, but because NATO exists as a power entity in the world outside of an imperial structure.To join NATO you first have to be a democracy with universal suffrage. NATO is an organization that free nations willingly join. This means that NATO never has to waste resources on maintaining control over “NATO territory.”The state of Russia has ALWAYS been based on the conquest of new peoples who do not want to be part of Russia. The Russians under their original Empire and their Soviet Union reincarnation were always tied up with internal conflicts and security concerns. The Russians have always had to spend vast resources (secret police) on keeping their conquered peoples and territories in line.The Kremlin has always ruled with fear. Therefore, Russia can never operate at full strength against an external enemy, because their empire would then crumble from within as different conquered peoples would rebel with the hope of escape.
>>546211810Vatniks keep seething about this
>>546213124Yes. Are you ready to fight them?
>>546212500We're trying believe me
>>546213159shut the fuck up bitch
>>546212907>Please Trump, come save us
>>546211769>Russia demands more the moment Ukraine signals its willingness to give up DonbassI told you many times, they don't want peace
>>546213159Putin has hundreds of pictures kissing and hugging with chabad rabbis. Kissing the wall. Saying russia loves jews and hates racists. But jewkraine is the only jewish side hahahaha
>>546213192Because NATO is a voluntary organization, every new nation that joins only adds strength to the alliance rather than subtracts from it. NATO does not have to worry about its member states going to war with each other. If NATO had to go to war against Russia, NATO would not have to waste resources putting down internal rebellions of nations who would use a conflict as an opportunity to escape NATO.This is what Russia fears about NATO. Autocrats always think democracies are weak because they are disorganized, chaotic, and everyone is always after their own self-interests. But democracies in the last 100+ years have a long and bloody history as some of the most warlike forms of government. And democracies have won most wars of the last century.Whereas autocracies like modern Russia are frequently extremely weak, utterly lacking in resilience, and extraordinarily brittle. Conscripts from impoverished regions of an empire make terrible soldiers. They will be the first to rebel against their masters the second they sense weakness from the emperor.
>>546213207My grandfather flew a Spitfire in WW2, mutt. Youre ignorant like all mutts.
>>546213241wowyoure fucking dumb
>>546213159>Ukraine has Jews therefore Ukraine should be Russia
>>546213262Youre brown and circumsized and your president is even more jewish, youre a genius
>>546213224We don't need him, but he will do that anyway. Because this is right thing to do. Because America would benefit from Russian friendship and America gains nothing useful from Finland or PolandTrump is america first and america wants to have Russia as a partner
>>546213258holy kek and what are you gonna do?bitch on 4chan?GRAMPPA IM SHIT POSTING REST IN POWERfucking lol
>>546213258It's not about me. Are _you_ ready to go fight the evil vatniks? Will you give your life for NATO?
>>546212352What if they drop a nuke on Bussels? Millions would die.
>>546213299i am actually very smart and my sat scores got me into all the top colleges
>>546213262It's the same shill, it seems like that infests this thread. Usually from either that flag or romanian, or samefagging from both. His speech impediments are so peculiar, you can tell him from the rest of the nafoids very easily.
>>546213186Zigger psychology is intriguing. You have these dogmas like with religious nuts that you aren't allowed to question or to even think about and then when some outsider barges and breaks the taboo you lose your temper.
>>546213334Pointless question since ziggers already wasted their entire soviet stockpiles taking over 20% over Ukraine.>but they still have nukesYeah, if nukes start flying the question is still pointless
>>546213345>Millions would die.Millions of whom?
>>546213243>Because NATO is a voluntary organizationNo it's not. My country can't leave without facing severe backlash from USA/UE. The only way to be free is developing your own nukes and Army otherwise you're a shithole subjected to countries stronger than you. That's how it works.
>>546213423So, you won't go die for NATO.Chicken?
>>546212548lmao
>>546211769Demand what they dare....only fools trust them to make any deals.
>>546212620With your money then, We don't have any anymore.We could send niggers but their incompetence would not help.
>>546213192join nato=sell country to jewsJoin Russian Federation=Gaining in strength and legitimacy as a State and People among Nations.
>>546212500I hope by you, you don't mean Germany. I don't want more escalation with Russia.
>>546213192>conquered peoplesNot much conquered people left in Russia because they using to send them meat grinders around the world.
NATO is prison-of-nations.These are shackles that hold the potential of independent countries and Russia just want to save their brethren from this oppressionSlavic people would be saved from NATO dictatorship
>>546212548we are how many years into your 3 day SMO vs the poorest most corrupt country in europe?It doesnt matter if you win totally tomorrow, this war has ended russia as a world power, and its only a regional power now because it has Nukes. Or poland would be fucking putins daughters in moscow by now.
>>546213345Moskal nukes don't work. They are incapable of doing the maintenance necessary to keep them operational.
>>546213314>Trump is america first and america wants to have Russia as a partnerTrump can't save Russia, jeet
>>546213617>Slavic people would be saved from NATO dictatorshipThey don't want to be saved. They need to be buffered off and kept at bay. At best. At least these 3-4 generations, maybe in a hundred more years it can be revisited for panslavism.
>>546213627Russia is using just a fraction of its military power and grinding NATO resources and personal.Russia prefer to save as many Russian lives as possible instead of winning fast and fabulous.
>>546212826>Current KD ratio is 39 Ukrainians per 1 Russian despite Russia using only 2% of its military powerThey actually believe this. Once Putin becomes desperate enough to start mobilizing mobiks the smart russians will have already fled to georgia while these idiots will be genuinely dumbfounded at being send in an assault wave. It's Darwinian in a way
>>546211769BASEDASEDbecause fuck NATO and their warmongering.
>>546213706>Russia prefer to save as many Russian lives as possible instead of winning fast and fabulous
>>546213455>It's not voluntary>proceeds to explain in the next sentence that you are free to leave it at any timeKek. How's it feel to be retarded? Your logic is the same the people who claim free speech doesn't exist because you can't yell fire in a crowded building just for fun
>>546212471>>546212304dumb baltniggers.if NATO was winning, we would have all these NAFOid subhumans constantly begging for a ceasefire.If you're winning so much, why do you want war to end?
>>546212304>left y-axis represents 100% of geographic superset>right y-axis represents 1% of demographic supersetHow about setting them both to 25% of their respective supersets?
>>546213723>>546213723> They actually believe thisYes, because it is trueRussia don't have a mobilization and don't kidnap people from the streets as Zelensky regime doesRussian military is the most humane and pacifistic active military in the world and prefer to save lives and cut the nazi menace with surgeon's precisionAnd such tactics takes time. But it is preferable what USA did in Vietnam or Afghanistan
>>546212098>Russia doesn't have kikes. Never didRussia literally has an oblast called Jewish Autonomous Oblast, with a rainbow flag, I shit you not, picrel
Russia has a thousand nukes. If but one of them were launched at Tel Aviv, the war would end immediately. But everyone in this world except for the based Houthis is a retarded shabbos goy, so we just have to keep playing this game
>>546212471quite possiblethe same deal as with Hitler
>>546211769not happeningso now what?
>>546213778I don't want a ceasefire, because russia has never respected any ceasefire. The moment there is a real ceasefire russia respects, is the moment they lost the war for good
>>546211769I do not understand why we don't just remove russia from all the maps and documenbts, ban russian language and forbid any mention of russia.In a generation the world would have forgotten about them completely.
>>546213803With that killing rate Ukrainees should be extinct by now because you have lost around million already. Think about it.
>>546213811Actually, it looks like that's called Alamy A A A A Alamy Alamy A A A A A A
>>546213925This. It's not like we need anything from there.We could just draw a grey area over the map and call it no man's land.
>>546213785weak cope
>>546213969> you have lost around million already.Even the so called leaks say it's 450k despite this shit being proved as pure lie and garbageYou are like totally delusional.
>>546211971They are overdemanding to get to where they really want to be. I would imagine it's like bidding high since the opponent will counter offer. They are willing to go the distance in attritting Ukraine and western supporters, even at great detriment to the average Russian. They are betting that NATO/EU will not be willing to wage this attrition.
>>546213345>>546213432Millions of muslims in Brussels would die.Europe would be grateful.Chechens would skin Putin alive for it
>>546213844> so now what?Trump tariffs your shithole to the stone age and Russia takes everything it want without any resistance(English bowmen are not proper resistance)
>>546211769Seems pretty reasonable
>>546213706>Russia is using just a fraction of its military powerWhy? Because if you were using 10 times more force than you are now, you would already have won this war you started. But for some reason you're continuing to fight this 3 days special military operation for 5 years now, and keep losing ground every day. How many more hundreds of thousands of dead russians do you need until you realize you lost?
>>546213811>Russia has Jewish Autonomous OblastAnd? That guy unless being hyperbolic but bringing up JAO as proof of jewishness of Russia is peak retardation. >By 2010, according to data provided by the Russian Census Bureau, there were only approximately 1,600 people of Jewish descent remaining in the JAO (1% of the total population), while ethnic Russians made up 93% of the JAO population.
>>546213969>Think about it.They can't. It's a vestige from Stalinist eras where people had to have contradictory beliefs to show their loyalty to the regime or get send to the gulag. If they are close to thinking too much about their beliefs their mind automatically shuts the process down and changes the subject>we have to wait in lines for hours for moldy bread>our society is the most utopian in the world, glory to comrade Stalin!Literal doublethink.
>>546213907>I don't wantHang on, lemme get Putin on the phone, I'm sure he'll do exactly as you wish!
>>546214149They don't need to be in large numbers to control Russia.Something like 20-30% of Russian oligarchs are Jewish.Putin's best friends among the oligarchs are Jewish.
>>546214138> Why? Because if you were using 10 times more force than you are now, you would already have wonIt would lead to more Russian and civilian deathsWe don't want that. Humanism is our modus operandi and we prefer to save as much lives as possibleWe don't want total scale operation, we want to preserve as much as possible because we are good guys
>>546214103sorry i should have been clearer, i meant what happens in reality?
NATO should really just disband at this point. It serves no real purpose aside from starting conflicts.
>>546214239>are Jewish.But so are you. Self-loathing much?
>>546214010Literally isn't. Lying with statistics is the biggest crime of this war.
>>546214279Trump tariffs your shithole to the stone age and Russia takes everything it want without any resistance(English bowmen are not proper resistance)
>>546211769...till the last zigger
>>546212366Ukraine lost more than two million dead
>>546211769How is Ruzzia wrong why should they tolerate westards arming kosher nazzies on their border with the intention of eventually balkanizing Ruzzia
>>546213785Losing over 1% of your population as war casualties is catastrophic.
>>546213519we are literally building weapons factories and chemical plants to produce explosives right now
>>546214240Life has no value in russia. Your rulers place literally zero value on your life, or the life of any russians. That is why they have thrown as much men into the meat grinder to die in Ukraine for no reason. 1.6 million casualties and counting. And for what? For the fragile ego of your monkey king, who is a loser and failure in every possible way.
>>546214582As soon as all your migrant shelters are constructed you mean.
>>546214216Read the comment I replied to, retard. He asked why I want a ceasefire, I replied
>>546214583But you hate Russians so much so isn't it what you want, a bunch more dead Russians?And if Russia is so weak, why so much nafoid noise in this thread?
>>546213907GOOD.So the extermination will continue until all of you are thrown into the meatgrinder.I'm sure Russians will oblige with that "suicide-by-the-cop" request.They will kill you all since that's what you shitheads want. And you will be replaced by pajeets and niggers.
>>546214583Then why is it ukraine who is forcing men kidnapped off the street to fight at gunpoint?
>>546214655kekmaoseethe harder, troon, you lost already.
>>546214663The longer the war continues, the weaker russia will become until collapse. But it is also an inconvenience for Europe. It would be better for both sides if russia ended this war and surrendered but Monke has bet his life on it, so he won't allow it to end. So yes, continuing the war is bad for everyone, but it's much worse for russia.
>>546214664Do you really believe it's a "finn" on the other end?
>>546213778>war is bad and it should endGee, damn that is a complicated stance.
>>546214675Well, see, that's just moscow propaganda and mosfilm staged agitprop clips. In reality, all of russians are already dead, and ukraine is just about to take moscow!
>>546213773>You can leave your husband but he's going to kill youOk you're not free then
>>546214583> 1.6 million casualties and countingStop spreading this bullshit, brother, stop believing BBC and CNNRussia has no mobilization while Ukrainian looks like thatMost Russians don't even think or hear about this conflict while Ukrainians are all suffer from Zelensky actions
>>546212427>There were agreements about not-expansionMay we see them?
>>546214629I don't know in what shithole you live in but we have sufficient housing
>>546211769Reminder: Russia only hates NATO because alliances are the cure for the disease of empires.Russia is a Potemkin country that stole even its own name from Kiev, and rules its slave population by force.It is an empire unto itself, NOT A NATION.
>>546214734>Do you really believe it's a "finn" on the other end?I think so. They're fucking stupid and brainwashed.But you're right, it could a bot or some shitskin.
>>546214687>devolves into a seething tantrum realizing he fucked up and revealed himself to be a retardKek, I accept your concession. Also, you sure you want to bring up troons in relation to russia?
>>546214687This is Finland....if you ever find here beautiful "woman" he is troon.....our women are all mix of trolls and frogs.
>>546214792Looks staged. Mosfilm again?
>>546214839>slaveslav, not slave
>>546214829So, you admit you're a migrant then.
And I demand Taylor Swift sit on my face, but it ain't gonna happen
>>546214911do you actually have dogshit genetics, are you jewish by any chance
>>546214792Whatever your sources are, you should know better than to believe anything russian state media tells you. They have lied to you for decades, why would they suddenly change and start telling the truth? The hacker leak from last week showed 450k confirmed dead russians. 1.6 million is the casualty number which includes wounded and MIA.>Most Russians don't even think or hear about this conflictLol. Russians everywhere are running out of benzin and food and money. They see Ukrainian drones flying by to impose sanctions on refineries. Putin can't hide this war, and his failure at it, from the russians anymore.
>>546214664>hey check out this AI written tweet by a bot as proofKek. Russia shills have zero idea how weak their propaganda is
>>546214792UHG has some great videos of Russian mobilizations. Even has their parents protesting their kids be released. Go ask to see some, I dare ya.
>>546214850HOW DARE YOU
>>546214855Cry harder, troon.
>>546214855Milf-chads rule!
>>546215049Why are you being russophobic?
>>546214892They mean the same thing, and who the fuck do you think named an entire region of the continent "That place where the slaves live?"Its the same with Ukraine.They stole the name "Rus" from Kiev, and thus are obsessed with destroying the victim of their theft.Calling them a fake coutnry, "The Borderlands", all that shit, just to cover a shameful theft by a people with no true name of their own.There literally are no "Russians", just Moscow's orcs.
>>546214912Someone else can come, put wig on and sit on your face.
>>546213919Fuck off. I don't want them here.
>>546212826> It's already settled.Apparently the only thing holding back total victory on the battlefield is that Russia is just too magnanimous. If Russia really used its military capabilities, the whole thing would be over in 3 days. Really?Apparently they haven't sent ever last convict and retard to the front yet.
>>546215091Who made you so retarded? Was that your mother who was constantly drunk during pregnancy? Or one of her pimps that molested you?
>>546214850I think that Russian areas west of the Urals should be split between Europe with an occupation authority gulaging or summarily executing 20% of the suspected partisan population as is necessary for maintaining order, while the subjugated majority would have their culture and language erased in a few generations as part of europeanization efforts. If you don't support this you are a victim of anti-Finnish propaganda or simply stupid.
>>546214874Sure do, pal, sure do>>546214980> The hacker leak from last weekWas a hoax that included 87 year old females as casualties which is bullshitThese are not real numbers and that means other numbers are bullshit too.Again, Russia has no mobilization while Zelensky kidnaps people from the streets, explain that> Russians everywhere are running out of benzin and food and moneyI literally live in Russia and i've never ever heard about any gas, food or money problemsI talk with people every day and actually people say that past few years were great for them and they star making MORE money than everAgain, stop listening to BBC and CNN.
>>546214997What are hohol losses? Or are they not worthy to even count?
>>546214777Who is going to kill you if you leave NATO? Or do you think it reasonable to expect NATO departure to only come with pros and zero cons?
>>546214912What's the sexual appeal of having someone's ass on your face?
>>546215178The longer your seething replies get, the more I know how badly I got under your skin. Thanks for the laugh
Europe should just declare war on Russia, crush it, and Morgenthau plan it. Turnabout it fair play. Russia has exhausted nearly its entire military arsenal in Ukraine, is producing weapons hand to mouth and is in a stalemate there Europe would absolutely crush it (in cooperation with Ukraine). Then you don't need to spend trillions of dollars defending against Russia for the next 30 years, you just get rid of Russia once and for all.Why does nobody have the guts to propose this?
>>546214999> UHG has some great videos of Russian mobilizationsThese are no mobilization, but conscription. Russia has a mandatory military service of 1 year and these people DO NOT PARTICIPATE in SMO> Even has their parents protesting their kids be releasedThese are videos from when teenagers were breaking the law about curfew and were arrested for that, it has nothing to do with SMO whatsoever
>>546212548>Pleas please please PLEASE PLEASE believe we're winning and give us everything we want>We can totally defeat you, I swear
>>546215186It's clearly staged! How dare you.Unlike all them bussed conscripts and such all around Russia, especially Perm, or Omsk, or whatever. And all the metabolized in September that are already dead and cooked and eaten!
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>>546215298>Why does nobody have the guts to propose this?Nuclear weapons
>>546215311The oxcart of shit.....
>>546212098Russia shouldn't have taken over Poland in 1795. They bit more than they could chew. Served them well.
>>546213723>idiots will be genuinely dumbfounded at being send in an assault wave. It's Darwinian in a wayIt's gonna be fucking great.
>>546215352>Nuclear weaponsbut those are all fake and Russia has none, otherwise they'd show you!
>>546215091#MILFs represent
>>546215311>Russia has a mandatory military service of 1 year and these people DO NOT PARTICIPATE in SMOReminder: There was a famous case of a conscript being beaten TO DEATH for not signing an SMO contract.You can lie all you want to, but if one guy was beaten TO DEATH, then there's gonna be a fuckton of guys who signed the contract after a light beating.Reminder that you have a soul.Your lies are a sin.You tell those lies for the worst sinners on Earth.This is something you are going to regret.
>>546215466I never quite understood this cope. Nuclear weapons are much easier to maintain than nuclear power plants. Idk why they believe they wouldn't work for some reason. Even Pakistan has them.
>>546212427Every post cold war member of NATO have joined for one reason. To not to be a ally of Russia. Because that is occupation of your country by corrupt niggers.
>>546215523Russians don't have souls.
>>546215501You have no idea how lucky you all are with those normal fetishes you got blessed with
>>546215523> There was a famous case of a conscript being beaten TO DEATH for not signing an SMO contract.This is bullshit lie that never happened in Russia.While it is the new norm under Zelensky regimeSTOP. LISTENING. TO. BBC AND CNN
>>546215645What if I'm listening to Meduza
>>546214997THE ONLY fully verified KIA chart.
>>546212098> Russia doesn't have kikes.russia is the most jewish colony on earth
>>546215705grim
>>546215527>Nuclear weapons are much easier to maintain than nuclear power plants.Uh huh... and how do you establish that those weapons are a working order without testing?Don't think too hard about it.Your peoples' laziness might yet save the world.>>546215596You might as well think that way if you have to fight them, because they do have LESS...>>546215645>NuuuoooOO~! NOTHING bad happens in Russia! LIES!Yeah, same story as always, with the same number of people being fooled.Kindly fucking kill yourself.Even to your own people, you're as useless as an asshole on an elbow.
>>546215596Only being with souls can stage Tolkien better than people from his own culture.
>>546215705Tell me where the 40k per month SMO contract soldiers Shoigu said on tape are being recruited go to if the Russian army stays the same size
>>546215781Tolkien is overrated as fuck
>>546215770>how do you establish that those weapons are a working order without testing?Because we are the biggest builders of nuclear infrastructure with a lot of foreign contracts.
>>546215770>The brown brain cannot into decay rate or simulation testing
>>546215645Son, have you not heard of NAFO?
>>546215703Then you are either a Russian soi libtard relocant or straight up cockholeNobody listen's to this shit but libtard relocants(trans cockholes) and cockholes
>>546211769Why even bother having talks when you obviously don't want to?
>>546211769Sure! As long as Russia dismantles all military, and gives up all nukes.Also we want a genetically modified flying pig-donkey-goat mix.
>>546215841I believe people who repeat the "your nukes don't work" mantra just don't know shit about nuclear weapons. If you can operate a nuclear plant and enrich uranium, you are basically all set for making a functional nuke, its easy as fuck. The main issue are delivery vehicles, which Russia has a lot of and tests them almost daily.
>>546215881Well I do, by proxy, and I'm a Pole. If you're fine with listening to your own state media and ignoring everything else, then I'm happy for you ^^
>>546215705Verified by whom? What does "fully verified" even mean?
>>546215781You are not supposed to emulate Sauron tho
>>546215923Only EU don't want to have talks, but their opinion does not matterTrump wants to have a peace with Russian and have Russian as friends and partners, and Trump can enforce his will on EU any time
>>546215881Funny, how there hasn't been a single oinkrainian flag itt.
>>546212427Truth bomb most don't want to hear
>>546212548i didn't want to go to work anyway
>>546215944
>>546211769>sits down to "negotiate">instantly demands shit that's impossible and not on the tableAnd people will still blame Ukraine for not wanting peace somehow.
>>546215781>Only being with souls can stage Tolkien better than people from his own culture.Russia being like Mordor is not a good thing, you idiot...You're ruled by a man who sees your entire life as existing to advance his military conquests.>>546215841>Because we are the biggestYeah, the biggest idiots. You didn't answer the question.>>546215858>SimulationsThat's all well and good, but Russia has MULTIPLE FAILED TESTS since the war started, so we objectively know that their rocketry systems at least are in trash shape.Why would the nuclear devices themselves have faired any better?(Ivan's denials on this are very shrill, indicating that I'm hitting a nerve)>>546216010>Only EU don't want to have talks, but their opinion does not matterThey are the continent that you are invading, and they're the main people you'll be dealing with because Trump cannot save you. He is ALSO too weak.
>>546216055>demands shit that's impossible and not on the tableThose are reasonable demands. 1997 NATO borders are more balanced and put NATO itself in a less risky position.
>>546211971
>>546216075
>>546216110>1997 NATO borders are more balancedNot balanced to the extent of Russia's weakness.Reminder: You couldn't even protect the Armenians from the Azerbaijanis, and you've gotten THREE YEARS WEAKER since then.Russia is not in a position to make demands.I know that stings, Ivan, but its the result of bad leadership.You are WEAK and NOBODY IS FOOLED.
>>546212178>the war isn't about ukraine at this point it's about the west and how much more money they want to contribute to a war ukraine cannot win in the endYou're missing your own point. Ukraine is an entirely peripheral consideration. The purpose of the war is killing Russians on the cheap, and to that end it's been a resounding success for the west, astoundingly cost-effective. Why on earth would they want to stop now when they can keep stacking up corpses for pennies on the dollar?
>>546212427>waawaawaaIf Ukraine joining NATO is a red line, then fine, have at your war. Demands don't mean shit if you can't back them up, and Russia clearly can't. A small group of slavniggers fashion themselves Imperial Era rulers (the same way yuro elites still think being descendants of aristocratic faggots means anything) and wonder why they can't simply roll over the will of rest of the collective world.This Old World obsession retards like Putler have over requiring satellite states as protection against invasion is genuinely fascinating. You're fighting shadows. The US will have a civil war and Turkey will invade Greece before anyone else invades Russia. You really aren't that special.
>>546216015Only corrupt governors don't want to hear thatBecause most sane people in these countries just see what EU did with Ukraine and don't want to be kidnapped from the street so be sent to fight unwinnable warI bet there are like 70%-80% support for leaving NATO and EU in these countries and only the puppets at government are the problem
>>546216185
>>546216110They are completely unreasonable relative to both your capacity and Europe's position. You've been grinding Ukraine down for 5 years and getting droned for the last 2, meanwhile the rest of Europe have sent barely any soldiers and can remilitarize unmolested, so you can't force the issue. You also can't hope to negotiate it, since new NATO members will fight tooth and nail against it and old members have no business giving up on their meatshield.
>>546215957Verified by both sides.https://www.icrc.org/en/news-release/russia-ukraine-icrc-supports-large-scale-repatriation-human-remains>22.10.2026https://www.kyivpost.com/post/87869https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/10/22/8059217/>17.09.2026https://www.kyivpost.com/post/84753https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/09/17/8053879/>13.08.2026https://www.kyivpost.com/post/82292https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/08/13/8048523/>16.07.2026https://www.kyivpost.com/post/80440https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/07/16/8044393/>18.06.2026https://www.kyivpost.com/post/78466https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/06/18/8039957/>16.05.2026https://www.kyivpost.com/post/76270https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/05/16/8034949/>09.04.2026https://www.kyivpost.com/post/73585https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/04/09/8029453/>26.02.2026https://www.kyivpost.com/post/70830https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/26/8022908/>29.01.2026https://www.kyivpost.com/post/69030https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/01/30/8018588/>19.12.2025https://www.kyivpost.com/post/66574https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/12/19/8012568/>20.11.2025https://www.kyivpost.com/post/64612https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/11/20/8008188/>23.10.2025https://www.kyivpost.com/post/62841https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/10/23/8004098/>18.09.2025https://www.kyivpost.com/post/60402https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/09/18/7531430/>19.08.2025https://www.kyivpost.com/post/58576https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/08/19/7526891/>17.07.2025https://www.kyivpost.com/post/56495https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/07/17/7522172/>16.06.2025https://www.kyivpost.com/post/54608https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/16/7517351/>15.06.2025https://www.kyivpost.com/post/54555https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/15/7517207/>14.06.2025https://www.kyivpost.com/post/54520https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/14/7517111/
>>546216178>b-b-b-but west is evil!Not as evil as a straight-up Imperialist trying to enslave an entire country.There are degrees to these things, and Russia is the absolute worst.There is no completion for how objectively Satanic you animals are.
>>546212517>>546213098Local commanders are literally making AI generated videos of russian soldiers in the "captured" ukranian territories. These videos bubble up the hierarchy and appear in top level presentations.Shit is hilarious.https://archive.is/20261109065002/https://www.ft.com/content/7f36031b-ea90-4a3a-a570-a6c6ff96e45a
>546216224 (You)Imagine simping this hard for someone else's country
>>546216264
>>546211769>Russia demandsis there indeed a more iconic duo?
>>546216264>enslave an entire country.Nigger, the US has been trying to enslave the whole world, you stupid ZOG bot.
>>546216260Oh, it's this cope again. So you're retarded, got it
>>546216224Oh, we talking about gays?Reminder that every Russian conscript is raped as part of their hazing.This means that ANAL VIRGINITY IS A WESTERN LUXURY that the faggots of the faggot-country Russia cannot even imagine.>b-b-but only bottoms are gay~Gay rape is committed by a gay rapist.
>>546216264The west is fine. It's the western ruling class is the problem because they are evil and satanicThey hate their own people, they hate Russian, they hate Christ because he is king.The western dictatorship is build on hate and enslavement of western peopleRussia wants to save the west from this tyranny
>>546211971Fear of a domestic overthrow?
>>546211971Reminds me of a sovereign citizen in court.
>>546216342
>>546216246That sounds like a solution. NATO goes back to 1997 borders, former members remilitarize to the point where they can stand on their own without US bases. Win-win.
>>546216264Another projection. Only subhuman hohols were dreaming of owning Russian slaves.
>>546216187> and Russia clearly can't. >>546214103
>>546216342Got a source for your faggot fantasies?
>>546216359Do you really think it's a human on the other end?
>>546216383>>546216398You ladies sound desperate desu.
>>546211810Zero reason to stop there. Whose going to stop Russia when they pushed? The USA under (((democrat))) president? kek trannies lost
>>546211810finland and sweden missing
>>546216359projection
>>546216260>both sidesI dont see.any Russian sources you retarded troon.
Its politically impossible for Putin to compromise and soften his demands when so many Russian soldiers have perished because of his expedition into Ukraine. Therefore, was never going to be any compromise on the Donbas or Crimea and NATO knows this.
>>546211810Can we rate these countries by how much they hate Russia?
>>546216327>Nigger, the US has been trying to enslave the whole worldNah, that is literally just what Russian filth say to cover for the fact that they literally enslave people.We are a free country."Economic imperialism" is a russian cope.>>546216359>Russia wants to save the west from this tyrannyFuck you, you lying piece of shit.I would personally disembowel you.No child deserves to grow up Russian, and there is no greater failure for a human than to leave your children to that fate.Your are the descendent of such FAILURES.>>546216398You have been confessing your sins via your lies for centuries, you stupid, unlearning animal.
>>546216460
>>546216409If a nafoid isn't thinking about dicks, he is thinking about male anuses.If a nafoid isn't thinking about either, you should check his pulse.
>>546216409Russian media.I am talking about things that all Russians know (and lie about, because you are all animals)
>>546216472why do bongs have such a massive war boner for russia? at least in the case of finland it is somewhat understandable
Schrodinger's Russia playing out in the thread again. Russia is a weak, losing, third world shit hole with a collapsing army, but ALSO at the same time a global supervillain threat to world peace and security that apparently has the ability to attack the whole of Europe and nuke everybody lmao
>>546216511Reminder that I have never in my life been fucked in my ass....but you have.
>>546212178You forget that Georgia and Chechnya are also liable to flip to Ukraine's side if Russia loses the ability to continuously bribe their officials.
>>546216511>russian pig projections
>>546216409I think it's trolling. Nobody can be that stupid.
>russia demands
>>546216628Why would it be a contradiction to be both pathetic and violent? That's been Russia for literal centuries.
>>546216665
Boris, we had a deal!
>>546214629You live in a trailer park with your methhead crackwhore mum and your dream (that will never happen) is to become a rapping wigger.
>>546216687>Russia for literal centuriesSo, you admit then that Ukraine is pathetic and violent since Muscovia aka Russia is just an extension of the Kievan Rus and only existed for like 28 years.
>>546216369I bet there are a lot of sovcit weirdos here on pol.
>>546216658>Nobody can be that stupid.What's stupid?>Russian media widely reports conscript hazing>Russia is well known for and defends is hazing culture>Conscript hazing includes anal sex (FOR DISCIPLINE ONLY!!!!!!!!!)>Every Russian passes through the conscription system and gets hazedTherefore>No adult Russians possess their anal virginityThey are a literal country of Fudge-packers.They'll even say, "You don't clean your house unless you're expecting company" as an argument that people with CLEAN ASSES ARE INVITING SEX!!!They're really fucking sick...
>>546216687Does an entire city go into lockdown when someone's cat, that can scratch your arm, goes missing? If Russia is so "pathetic and weak" but violent, the violence doesn't mean anything and nobody should be alarmed. Why are you so alarmed?
>>546216732
>>546216788Hey now! How did you know? Are you spying on me?
>>546216658Nah, that's a well known attentionwhoring avatarfag here. He is genuine and subject of gay sex is one of his favourites. Which is a standard thing for an anime watcher.
>>546216628Have you yet to realise that words and ideas are just implements of power and that truth is a meme the weak use to cope about the strong? Western leadership will say literally fucking anything that helps them kill Russians, Russian leadership will say anything that helps them kill westerners. Nothing is real except for blood and steel. Don't be a faggot.
>>546216796>since Muscovia aka Russia is just an extension of the Kievan RusNot "an extention of".You have no connection other than you butchering them.You JUST stole their name like the nation of thieves you are."Russia" is actually the Golden Horde, under new management in Moscow.That's the closest thing to a real name you even have.
>>546216843Typical retarded potato nigger, the post is rhetorical.
>>546212907>Donald Trump will save usReally nigger? The second army in the world is beggin some orange kikelover to go and ask the other side to surrender? That's what you bitches have been reduced to?
>>546216926To what end?
>>546216327>Nigger, the US has been trying to enslave the whole worldWell. The british intelligence arm of the US government, yes. But they cut ties with america ever since we yoinked maduro. What a bizzare event to go from +100 (((Special relationship))) to -100(no intel for you!) over
>>546216828Sorry you'll never know life outside your shitass fake country.
>>546216826I prefer a rabid dog metaphor more. Rabid dog will die by its own and can be killed relatively easily. But does it mean you dont have to be scared of it? No.
>>546216912If Russia is the Golden Horde, then how did Lithuania had an alliance with Golden Horde to not let Russia out of Golden Horde's yoke? Did you know that subhuman westerners allied themselves with Mongols against us, REPEATEDLY?
>>546216912Excellent, so it's decided then: Ukropistan is a violent and pathetic nation.Thank you for clarifying it!
>>546211810It's amazing to me that no one seems to realize the extent to which the west has surrounded Russia. The US certainly did not let the Soviets push their influence in the Americas or Caribbean. Why would we expect the post-soviet Russians to tolerate our doing it to them.
>>546216978To open people's eyes. Move on paddy
>>546217045You are really trying to reason with that? Are you stupid or something?
>>546217045Or that one time they allied with Turks to prevent Istanbul from becoming Constantinople again.
look at all the shills seething
>>546211769My demand is that Russia moves all military infrastructure and troops to Siberia. Western Russia will be considered as demilitarized buffer zone.
>>546216826>trying to force the non-contradictory ideas to be contradictoryMany violent, dangerous criminals are pathetic.Russia is just THAT on the scale of a country.>>546217045>If Russia is the Golden Horde, then how did Lithuania had an alliance withDamn bro, its almost like history is long or something.>>546217052>If I just keep saying the opposite, I don't have to deal with the reality!Ivan, you are LIVING with the reality, and Europeans know better than to let your cancer spread.There's no winning this argument.You're begging, "pwease let us win!" and the answer is no, you shitty slaver.
>>546217057People tend to join military pacts against your country when you have a history of invading them.
>>546217068Open people's eyes to what, and for what purpose?
>>546216628There's no contradiction. It's never been about whether the russia can beat nato, they can't. It's always been about how many pointless deaths the russia can cause before they inevitably get their shit kicked in.
>>546217088>to prevent Istanbul from becoming Constantinople again.1930? What happened in 1930?
>>546217130We are looking at you. Why are you seething?
>>546217146https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwh6xbowC00hmm
>>546216732It's always amusing how much ziggers seethe about Estonia. In their minds such a tiny and weak country should automatically be subsumed by Russia yet the inability of Russia to even threaten them effectively hits their pride hard>If we can't even take Estonia then how are we going to restore the rest of the empire?>But were supposed to be a superpower!
>>546211769No, lol
>>546217134my demand is that they nuke that shithole
>>546215298Because China would ramp up its support. Maybe even deploy troops of its own. We'd have WW3. Neither the USA, nor China or Europe wants that.
>>546217158Do you understand that there are different people with different perspectives that post on this website that might not fully align with your worldview? The purpose is informational warfare, it outlines the contradiction of believing two competing narratives, in short, how is Russia a weak tranny brown coded mongol horde retard country thats losing but also a super powerful evil empire that can attack the whole of europe. Fucking hell you are thick as pig shit paddy
>>546217186Right, so why did your country join NATO again?
>>546217252>SEEETH E THEM THEEEESEESTSEEEETHE REEEE
>>546217359>Has memes about how every different country is seethingGood work, Ivan.Nobody will ever suspect how much you are seething with all that.
>>546217358He just explained it to you.>It's never been about whether the russia can beat nato, they can't.>It's always been about how many pointless deaths the russia can causeEven if they can't annex you, they can still harm you.
>>546217473
>>546216306Like how you simp for Ookraine?
>>546217539None of them have any self-awareness. Because to have self-awareness first requirement is to be human.
>>546217522Right so Russia can't beat NATO and its just to see how many Russians can die and they're weak and failing, but apparently Finland found it sufficiently terrifying enough to join NATO in 2023 because they're totally not scared guys and Russia is weak lmoa
>>546217358Because Russia has invaded all of their non-nato neighbours on the european continent that aren't already under their sphere of influence, and we did not want to be next
>>546217532So what kinds of prosthetics do they get you in Russia??? (lmao)Is it still the ol' "Floor-dolly and stick" routine?>>546217539>>546216306We're watching Ukraine have its revolutionary war against an Empire that is a million times shittier than the one we rebelled from.Yes, it is based as fuck watching Ukrainians slaughter Russians for their freedom.Russia can't die fast enough.
>>546217917
>>546217917But I thought Russia was weak and losing in Ukraine? Your country dropped decades of neutrality to join a military alliance, all the while saying im not scared bro im not scared. What the fuck are you talking about? Is Russia weak or a threat?
>>546217915>russia is weaker than NATO >finland alone is weaker than russiaRetarded russia shill somehow thinks these are contradictory.
>>546217967
>>546217473It's an interesting culture. Never in any case will they ever admit a loss or any wrongdoing and every loss and negative trait is projected to their opponents.They never seem to realize that if they at least pretended to argue in good faith some more gullible people would side with them and their enemies would have less to gloat about when they wouldn't be constantly caught up in obvious lies.
>>546218002What the fuck are you even arguing, you stupid animal?>Well if we're weak, then you shouldn't defend yourselves!!!Just shut up. You're so fucking stupid...
>>546217916sometimes it is amazing how prescient this shithole is
>>546218012You simultaneously believe Russia is a weak and failing country who is failing in Ukraine, but also could crush the whole of Finaland and zerg rush across Karelia. That is fundamentally something a psyopped nafotroon could hold in their mind and think its fine
>>546218040lmao it got broken!REEEEE again, tranny
>>546218037We do it for fun mostly. Your anger is funny.
That we haven't build enough long range missiles to wreck every Russian oil refinery greatly upsets me.
>>546218040You hold two distinct and contradictory beliefs. You believe Russia is a global threat to the West, as if it has the capabilities to rip across Europe. But situationally at the same time, they are weak trannies losing in Ukraine that needs North Korea and Iranian drones. Which is it fatty?
>>546218037>It's an interesting culture.Its unironically Satanic, in the most exact metaphysical sense...>>546218086>>546217916>never any LOTR in these memesReminder that even Russians know they are orcs and are sensitive about it
>>546218002>Is Russia weak or a threat?I already replied to this, pretending that you didn't understand the point isn't helping your case>It's never been about whether the russia can beat nato>It's always been about how many pointless deaths russia can cause before they get their shit kicked in
>>546217130What do you expect from these subhumans?
>>546218161>You hold two distinct and contradictory beliefs.Again: Many violent, dangerous criminals are pathetic.Russia is just THAT on the scale of a country.Its not complicated. You're just pretending it is because that's all you have left.
>>546218162
>>546218168Perhaps your ESL grasp of English is causing some difficulties in understanding very clear and plain English. I asked you, if Russia a threat, or is it weak? Unless you think weak third world conscripted slavoids are a threat. Are weak people a threat to you in your personal life too?
>>546218256To be quite honest, there is nothing funny about this video
>>546218098Finland is also weaker and smaller than ukraine. You're desperately trying to find a contractdiction where none exists, and your desperation is showing because you know you've already lost the argument. Just take the L and leave the thread, Don't embarrass yourself further, retard
>>546218161finland is a country that's 8x less populated than ukraine as well as smaller (but with better terrain), obviously russia could thrash around and cause needless damage even if finland could eventually repel the invasion by itself, there's no reason for finland to not join nato.
>>546218297Do you think I post it in jest?Oy vey.
>>546218256Reminder: Every one of those graves will be remembered forever as either a hero or a victim of Russia's tyranny.Every dead Russian will be forever known as a fool who died for money and didn't suffer as much as he deserved.You are a forsaken people.
>>546218238You can't answer honestly because you know the moment you concede that weak and decimated countries that nafotroons often paint the picture of Russia as, is inherently contradictory to the same picture you paint about Russia's abilities to apparently attack the whole of the Baltics. You have been effectively psyopped
>>546217915The proof of the finns arguments is Ukraine. Russia is too weak to conquer Ukraine but it still massively harms Ukraine. Finland doesnt want to get the Ukraine treatment so it joined NATO to minimize the possible harm.I genuinely dont understand whats your problem with this argument.
>>546218272Russia is weak compared NATO, Finland wasn't in NATO until it joined, what is it so difficult for you to understand? You are legitimately retarded, mentally ill, or both
>>546218353see>>546218168ur dumb and desperate (like Russia!)
>>546218301You cannot answer these simple straight-forward questions because you are psychologically captured effectively by your media. Retarded finngolian can't remain consistent. Try again
>>546218122It's because of our culture. We see sincerity as something that is sacred while your culture has the opposite view, vranyo for example.To us you bombing Ukrainian hospitals and droning children doesn't arouse nearly as many emotions as your dishonest character. To us you are a type of subhuman not because of your genetics but because of your character and psychology.
>>546218356>Ukraine gets trashed for trying to join NATO>Finland does the exact same thing, expecting a different outcomeKind of retarded, but it worked, so I guess not such a dumb move after all
>>546218356>I genuinely dont understand whats your problem with this argument.That it foils Russian plans and its his job to oppose that in whatever feeble way he can.
>>546218352
>>546218272>I asked you, if Russia a threat, or is it weak?Why do you act like these two options are mutually exclusive? Any country, regardless of its strength, can launch meat wave attacks and drones to cause you harm. It only requires the political will to do so.For example, Czech Republic is not strong but if we decided to shell Vienna with artillery we could. It would cause damage but we would be too weak to conquer any country.
>>546218301>>546218309what could have been.. we even could have had nukes and dont afraid of anybodybut the boomers had other plans..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAKWe0DkBsE
>>546217532Lucky bastard still have one hand!
>>546218356NATO, the EU and the US regularly doomsay of impending Russian encroachment across all the baltic states. As if they're an orc army at the gates. The psychological flipping is so effective, because an hour later you'll talk about how Russia is losing in Ukraine. Its inconsistent narrative telling, you know it is
>>546218458>Another video of somebody being arrested>I have to trust Russian filth about what I'm seeingI close these videos as soon as I open them.I don't think I've ever watched one because you animals just never stop lying about everything.
>>546218352r-right...
>>546218424>It's because of our culture.Bruh, your entire culture is centered around telling lies to yourself and everyone around you. This war is a perfect example of your true face. You tell a lie, know that its a lie, know that everyone around you also knows that its a lie, but tell it anyway because you are rightfully expecting everyone to just play along. This is why its so tiresome arguing with you, to you its a normal thing to argue only in bad faith.
>>546218476>Why do you act like these two options are mutually exclusive?Because weakness is not a threat. Are you retarded? Who taught you English mate, get your money back holy fuck a child can understand weakness does not pose a threat
>>546218413I replied to it multiple times. You ask demand answers in binaries because you know that's the only possible way you can frame things in a way favorable to you. I won't play your little game. You didn't even reply to the main point of my argument, or you were too retarded to understand it. Either way, I accept your concession
>>546218002What's the point of explaining water is wet to a pidor tranny on the loose again?>neutralin their eyes means sphere of influence. That's when they start pushing their retarded policies on these countries. Enormous amount of effort is wasted going to never ending negotiations where their demands keep increasing.Russia always was an alcoholic wife beater. Joining NATO is basically having security slamming the door on the pathetic losers face and telling him to fuck off for good. Of course he doesn't believe it even then.
>>546218503Sad, really.Trying times, that's for sure.
>>546218564I don't make the rules, Ivan.You people made your bed. You took the money and died like good little golems for your dark lord.Your disgrace will be everlasting.
>>546218383Because you also believe Russia is losing to the Ukrainian army, an army significantly weaker than Finnish armed forces. Finland could easily withstand a Russian incursion, unless you want to flip back to saying Russia can curbstomp you again? You are mentally unwell man
>>546218559So, are you getting paid? Is this a script you are working off of? Who wrote it? 'Cause I can do better.
>>546218576>I will ignore the arguments and argue about the English languageDesperate.
>>546218576>weakness does not pose a threatI have just proven with logic that it does. >>546218476Feel free to learn to read at any time.
>>546218678You legitimately have convinced yourself that weakness is a strength. Thats the core of your argument, and you somehow don't understand how you don't need to lockdown a street when a missing cat is on the lose.
>>546218424>>546218575
>>546218661>Ukrainian army, an army significantly weaker than Finnish armed forces.Lol. Said no serious person ever. Now you're just inventing shit on the fly because you know you lost the argument
>>546218673Just telling the truth about liars, Ivan.You should stop.It tarnishes whatever is left of your filthy soul.
>>546218737>You legitimately have convinced yourself that weakness is a strengthI never claimed this anywhere.I claimed that even an opponent thats too weak to conquer your country can still cause damage. I even gave you two concrete examples of this.
>>546218516>losing against one country means you can't invade and devastate another smaller countryRussia is already acting unpredictably, spitefully and recklessly wrt to the ukraine, so there's no expectation that they won't do so against another of their neighbors. What's the cost of NATO again? A vague "loss of neutrality"?
>>546218650No one will remember hohols. After things that remaining one will do with civil piggies, they would be despised for all eternity. Current azov rape dungeons is just a beginning. Their violence will be redirected inward in a moment.
>>546218743Finns are like that school shooter type kid that sits at the back of the class, hating evryone around him because they dared not be an associal loser like him.
>>546218766If you sincerely believe that, you need medical help then. This thread is archived and is forever on the internet. With everything you said. And I'm going to use it against NAFO, you know that right? Everything that you said is ammo for me.
>>546218706Its about ability. Anyone can attack anyone. Luxembourg could attack Germany. North Korea could attack China. They're not a threat though, because they are weak and don't have the means. The ISW regularly talks about Russia having very little resources or manpower on its northern end of the frontline, while simultaneously talking about a mega-strike happening across the Baltics at the same time. They don't have the means, yet you want to believe they do, depending on the context. Thats you getting psyopped up the arsehole
>>546218851I wouldn't put it that way, but belter mentality is belter mentality. You surely are familiar with the famous Dostoevsky passage about belters?
>>546218851Funny, you just described russia quite accurately. Only, a more accurate metaphor is that russia is the retarded kids class and thinks the other classes are being russophobic for not allowing the retarded kids into normal kids classes
>>546218874>They're not a threat though, because they are weakNo, they are not a threat because their governments are sensible and everybody correctly assumes they will not do that.Russian government has no trouble starting wars they dont have the means to win. Proof? Ukraine.
>>546218893>Dostoevsky passage about belters?I remember it vaguely.
>>546218874You are arguing with a made up person you invented in your head you syphilitic retard.
>>546218759See you in the next thread when you start bragging about the Winter War and le based super sniper soldiers killing thousands of men. >>546218795Again your English comprehension fails you. In essence, to summarise your position, you think weakness is a strength, because you think a whole street needs locking down because a hamster is on the lose. It makes no sense
>>546218823That mentally ill nafoid is most likely a troon unless it is a paid shill. You can figure it out from here what sort of quality mind is on that end. It won't understand what you are saying to it simply because it can't. It's like this.
>>546218980Sorry about pikabu link: https://pikabu.ru/story/fmdostoevskiy_o_malyikh_slavyanskikh_narodakh_8918871?cid=229773892
>>546218999>you think weakness is a strength>Maybe if i repeat the same strawman twice (>>546218795) it will pass this timeDesperate.
>>546218974>no uClassic. You know, the reason why you got bullied at school isn't that the bullies were assholes. Has it ever occured to it that had you not behaved like a weird faggot, you wouldn't get shoved in lockers? You have nobody but yourself to blame.
>>546218661We know that Russia can't defeat us but do the Russians know that? They didn't start the Ukraine war thinking that they would be still trying to take the Donbass 5 years later while dying in the hundreds of thousands as their factories and refineries get bombed every week. They thought that they would rush the capital and do a repeat of the regime change ops of Crimea just like Hitler thought that he just had to kick the door in for the soviet union to collapse.So we have to make it very clear for them that they have no chance instead of plausible chance that Putin could cling onto in his desperation to save face. It's just stupid to take half-measures.
>>546218995A common issue amongst continental European ESL speakers is their inability to weight context and calling back all the statements they've made and summarising.
>>546218999>veers into off-topic seethingYour concession was already accepted. You lost. Learn how to take an L
>>546219004I see him all the time in the threads. He might as well be one of these.
>>546219101>weight contextgreat english sasha
>>546219067You think weakness is a strength, because you believe a weak nation is a threat. In reality, threats are assessed on strength. Therefore, you believe weakness is strength.
>>546219004This tranny caused so much damage to ukranian PR its a miracle they didnt drone him themselves.
>>546219071Yes, U. Projection is all russians know
>>546218851Yeah and Russia is that alcoholic wife beater who *knows* what a fucking loser he is. That's why he drinks and beats his family. It's the only way to make him feel a bit stronger and better. Then he gets arrested and beaten by average cops and he goes back home and takes it on his family again lol
>>546219048>59 pbtid vpn rusniggerHope youre being paid, really.
>>546219158>>546219174Both of you scandiniggers need to work on your comprehension skills. When you argue the whole thread and someone concludes your position, screaming >n-no i didnt say exact phrasingIs not an argument.
>>546219004I've seen him around. He likes to randomly derail conversations into talking about gay rape. Weird fella, but such are their ways.
>>546219159It's use of English is pretty distinct but also puts it in the category of plebbit troons since they all talk like that.
>>546212301Exactly. They risk expanding this war into dragging NATO actually into it for realsies. And they're not going to like it.
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>>546219264It's not language, it's mentality, and it's not scandiniggers' mentality, it's nafoid troon mentality.I agree otherwise.
>Russia is weak>They're a threat>how?>They're strong lol>I didn't say weakness was a strengthEmbarrassing stuff.
>>546219264>wahhhh why Don't you accept my false premise framing, that's cheating!Nice try, retard. Too bad that cute little trick of yours doesn't work on people with triple digit IQ
>>546219229A good beating sets you guys straight sometimes. Otherwise you get soft and whiny. You have not had a proper scolding in a century and look what faggots you have become.
>>546219268Indeed. See, I mentioned using its own words against it, and it bailed. I wonder if it's now trying to delete its posts...
>>546219368Russia is weakRussia is a threatRussia is losingAlso, Russia can bumrush my entire countryThe state of your brain
>>546219186>because you believe a weak nation is a threat.Any nation can cause damage, regardless of how weak or strong they are. Again, nothing could prevent the very weak Czech Republic from shelling and bombing Vienna. It only requires the will to do so. We would be too weak to conquer Austria but we, the very weak, still posses the ability to cause immense harm to them.> In reality, threats are assessed on strength.Not only strength, also the behavior of that country. For example, Polish military is quite strong but the weak Czech Republic does not consider them a threat at all. Per your logic, it should. But it doesnt, because Poland doesnt have a history of regularly attacking its neighbours. If it did (like Russia), then it would be considered a threat too.Youre intentionally brutally simplifying reality, and then argue based on those simplifications. You cant expect that to be convincing.
>>546219420I already replied to this multiple posts ago and you had no response other than impotent seething. Cope about your loss however you wish, it just makes me laugh more seeing you squirm
>>546219385These events really set tsars' and Stalin's treatement of belters in perspective, don't they? These fuckers don't understand politeness and diplomacy, it seems, at all. Threads like this are very telling.
>>546219385You haven't even beaten ukraine you retarded zigger
>>546219361>They're strong lolWhere did i say that? Quote the sentence.
>>546219439We've already been through this here >>546218874Military threats and threats to security are assessed on ability and you know it is. But you think its perfectly not schizophrenic to say Russia is not a threat, but also a threat at the same time. You have been psyopped big guy
>>546219264I've already explained the logic for joining NATO to you but you keep talking past it because you have a hole in your head
>>546219385>he doesn't even try to deny what a fucking loser he isDon't try it against Finland though. You will get the puukko.
>>546219531Paraphrasing, again your ESL is awful. You think they're strong in the context of ability to allegedly rush the entire Baltic states
>>546219485You haven't sufficiently answered this because its a paradox in your mind, all you have replied with is literally, coping and seething with absolutely zero logical conclusions
>>546219583>ESL>says the vatnigger who fled to uk
>>546219583>why are you afraid of them if they're weakA hobo on drugs with a knife is not strong but you're still gonna be on your toes around him
>>546218575You just repeated the definition of vranyo and projected it onto me. It's in your nature.If you were arguing in good faith you would tell what the lie is then explain why it is a lie. But by vagueposting, by being evasive, means that you can't get caught in a direct falsehood and thus save some face.
>>546219539>We've already been through this hereAnd I have already debunked that.>>546219583>ParaphrasingYou mean strawmanning. Again, quote me. Why are you dodging? Quote it, go ahead.
>>546219554The logic of joining NATO only makes sense in isolation, but this conversation is how it massively contradicts another narrative about how weak Russia is. This has been paraphrased down to "Russia weak and weakness is a threat"
>>546219670You tried forcing a contradiction where none existed, got proven time and time again why there is no contradiction, refused to accept it, proceeded to cope and seethe. You have utterly embarrassed yourself. So squirm, squirm like the little maggot you are. That's the only thing you are good at
>>546219755Weak countries indeed can still cause harm. What prevents a weak country from suddenly sending couple drones to your power plants? Be specific in your answer.
>>546219727You genuinely don't understand paraphrasing do you? Your English is dogshit, Petr. Stick to amateur casting couch pornography
>>546219491Belters are either on their knees or at your throat. They don't understand any other status.
>>546219755>"Russia weak and weakness is a threatExactly. Are you literally fucking double digit IQ brownoid? They are a cornered rat with nukes
>>546219806Nobody cares about your wrong meta commentary run down of a thread where you go your shit pushed in big man. Reply again with something of substance
>>546219818Quote my sentences that when paraphrased mean "russia is strong". This is the third time youre dodging like a weasel.
>>546219864You sound like a woman and a pussy if you think weakness is something you should be scared of. If some nerd at school with absolutely zero muscle or power says hes going to beat you up, you laugh in his face and get on with your day. But you just went out and bought a gun, because this weak nerd is now a "threat" lmao
>>546219866I have refuted all of your arguments, you just keep repeating the same already debunked points because you have nothing. That's okay. Only makes you more pathetic
>>546219755Let me try to explain it once more.Both Finland and Sweden were already observer members of NATO. The so-called neutrality was a remnant from the Cold War era. There was no need to change that until Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022. We had NATO compatibility 25 years ago already. You're really seething about it hard. Let it go bro.
>>546219883You believe Russia is strong because your belief in the threat of Russia informs your assessment. Unless of course, you think weakness can be a threat (lmao)
>>546219957That nerd instead of saying he will beat you up stabbed a classmate already and carries a knife. Yeah, you're a double digit IQ brownoid alright
>>546220010You lost
>>546219850I hope bright minds are working on some methods to get this idiotic mentality if not reversed than at least a tad abated.Too bad we won't see the results most likely. But it'd be great to shut all these little yapping dogs down.
>>546220034Just the words of a weak pussy afraid of the world. Threat assessment is based on ability, capability. Fiji is not going to harm you lil bro
>>546220056You've been done kimmi, pipe down now
nato is a pinkie promiseonly a a BIG norDICK UNION will secure our prosperity
>>546220130Just remember that you lost, okay? Better luck next time
>>546220130You got owned when I proved a cornered rat is dangerous and now you're just spouting babble
>>546220151You insisted on humiliating yourself to the end of the thread. That's the funniest thing of all
>>546219972You've done nothing but shift around and refuse to tackle head on the actual contradiction. When you tried to explain the logic behind joining NATO, you pretended to not understand the connection to the next argument about Russia being weak and spoke of it in isolation like in a vacuum, you did this because you are an ESL retard
>>546220165>>546220151I've been watching. The finn definitely didn't win.
