In 1 Samuel 8, when the Israelites demanded a king so they could be governed like other nations, God instructed Samuel to warn them about what earthly government would entail: taxation, conscription, appropriation of property, and ultimately servitude.Centuries later, Jesus taught his followers not to exercise authority over others as earthly rulers do (Matthew 20:25–26), declared that his kingdom was not of this world (John 18:36), and was ultimately executed by the Roman state.Given these passages, how do Christians reconcile their support for earthly states and political authority with what appears to be a recurring biblical warning about the dangers of human government?More fundamentally, why should Christians place their allegiance in an institution of earthly political power when their own scripture repeatedly distinguishes God's authority from that of worldly rulers?>tl;dr Why do you stupid retards support a system that murdered your messiah?
>>546214086Matthew 22:21>They say unto him, Caesar's. Then said he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's.That was Jesus talking about Rome when Rome occupied the "Holy Land" - Christians are conditioned to submit to worldly authorities. It's a religion for slaves.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206%3A5-9&version=NIV
>>546214143He was saying money is worthless, retard.
>>546214086Do you really believe Christ was murdered? Do you really believe God is partial and would allow His Son do die for YOUR sins? Does that make sense to you?
>>546214086The jew murdered christ you lying faggot kike op
There are no Christians today
>>546214199No. That's why I'm asking the Christians here, dummy.
>>546214218Nothing is more Jewish than government.
>>546214241But you're not even interested. You're no Christian. You're just an atheist trying to make people waste their time/life.
>>546214189He was saying you have to pay taxes to your occupying power even though it hates you
>>546214291I'm not an atheist. I'm just not in a religious cult. Answer the question and stop deflecting, shithead.
>>5462140861) Samuel was a warning about governments/kings that God did NOT give the people. In Samuel, they wanted an earthly king, not to be ruled by God. There is no contradiction between rulership and piety - some of history's greatest kings were also sainted, St. Constsntine I being the perfect example. David was a king. Solomon was a king. Christianity has no problems with kings, as long as they're of our people and Christian.>>546214199Christ WAS murdered. By the jews, at the hands of the Romans. Government is just a tool, what makes it good or bad is who wields it.
>>546214345Did your Zionist preacher teach you that? He was emphasizing that money does not mean anything because the world is not God's kingdom.
>>546214420You're confusing God's willingness to accommodate monarchy with an endorsement of political authority.In 1 Samuel 8, God explicitly describes the Israelites' demand for a king as a rejection of His authority. The fact that He subsequently permits kings doesn't erase that warning.David, Solomon, and Constantine prove that religious people can occupy positions of political power. They don't establish that the state itself is consistent with Christ's teachings.In Matthew 20:25–26, Jesus explicitly contrasts worldly rulers exercising dominion over others with how his followers should behave. In John 18:36, he tells Pilate that his kingdom is not of this world.So my question remains: Where does Jesus instruct his followers to seek political dominion over others? And why should Christians champion an institution built around coercive authority when their own scriptures repeatedly distinguish earthly power from God's authority?
>>546214451He was clearly saying "submit to worldly authorities" and your view is pure headcanon
>>546214420>>546214555Also, those kings came AFTER his warning.
Most Christianity has been infiltrated.
>>546214086Why do you find your local catholic church and email them? Oh, you're probably addicted to scat posts
>>546214345He was pointing out that money means nothing - the Romans coined it, it's theirs, just give it to them if they ask, because you don't need money, God takes care of His own. To quote a young JFK in response to his father's joke about the kids being expensive: "Well, I guess you'll just have to make more money then". Who cares about taxes? Just make more money. God provides.
>>546214592Wrong. Nice try, Rabbi faggot. This implies that God would want you to submit to tyranny. Makes literally no sense except to dumb retards.
>>546214086It was a weird kind of state though, wasn't it? An accused man gets snatched off the streets by clergy, brought directly to a governor, judged innocent by said governor, but yet somehow he gets overruled by an angry crowd and forced to hand over the accused for an execution that the governor wiped his hands of, and yet at the same time commissions his soldiers to carry out the execution. As flawed as our state is, we don't have one that is so chaotic and just plain old strange as that.
>>546214705Jesus explicitly told his followers not to resist evil. Again, try reading the Bible before pretending to understand Christianity.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A38-48&version=KJV
>>546214086The Japanese should hate your state too then.
>>546214679My man
>>546214555Context, dude. God tells them that their selection of a king, instead of waiting for God to appoint one for them, THAT'S the rejection of His authority. He isn't denying kings, He's denying the people's choice for who is king, because people are stupid and sinful so they'll choose a king that is also stupid and sinful.There is NOTHING anti-Biblical about the state and the faith being intertwined. Again, the greatest kings in history were servants of God - that is WHY they were great kings.
>>546214773>Jesus explicitly told his followers not to resist evil. Again, try reading the Bible before pretending to understand Christianity.Are you stupid?Jesus teaching his followers not to retaliate against personal wrongdoing is not the same thing as instructing them to support the state or endorse coercive political authority.In fact, Matthew 20:25–26 explicitly contrasts worldly rulers exercising dominion over others with how his followers should conduct themselves.And 1 Samuel 8 predates David and Solomon. God warned the Israelites about the consequences of demanding earthly rulers before either of those kings existed.You haven't actually addressed the argument. You've cited a teaching about personal conduct as though it settles a question about political authority. It doesn't.
>>546214851Yes, it is. If you're told not to resist evil + to render unto worldly occupiers what they say they're owed then that means you, as a Christian, if you actually believe in Christ's teachings, should NEVER oppose tyranny
>>546214790Yes. I also hate my state. People are not their governments.
>>546214809Even if the central offense was rejecting God's direct rule in favor of becoming like other nations, Samuel didn't merely criticize their choice of king. He specifically warned them about what kings would take from their people: their labor, their property, their produce, and ultimately their freedom.Deuteronomy 17 also places explicit restrictions on kings, including prohibitions against accumulating excessive wealth, horses, and wives. Clearly, the existence of a king wasn't an endorsement of unlimited political authority.And citing supposedly great Christian kings doesn't answer the question. A ruler being religious doesn't automatically make the institution or the exercise of political power morally justified.My question remains: where does Jesus instruct Christians to pursue earthly political dominion, rather than serve one another?
>>546214086Pilate washed his hands
>>546214900LMFAO look at this faggot over here. Reminder that it was the state that locked you down and separated religious people during Covid.
>>546215070And Christians submitted to that reality meekly as their "Messiah" intended
>>546215177You sound vaccinated
>>546215265You sound like someone with a Satanic value system who misunderstands the Bible to the extent you've deluded yourself into believing you're a Christian
>>546215434Lol you destroyed that dork
>>546215434>satanicImagine saying this while endorsing submitting to a satanic government lmfao
>>546216371>submitting to a satanic government lmfaoNo such thing. All governments are appointed by God>13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God
>>546216252No lolChrist kikes wre nigger loversNigger lovers are enemies of americs
>>546214086>Why do Christians
>>546214086The relationship between church and state is *ideally* one of co-existence and solidarity, outside of those conditions you often get a hostile relationship as you said.
>>546216509This is also true
>>546214086It is all incoherent abrahamaic nonsense, faggot. Fuck your semitic spirituality.
>>546214086Why do you think the king was called the lieutenant of Christ? It was a semi terrestrial governement with the pursuit of the salute of the soul, the opposite of what we have now with the international republic damning souls by millions.
>>546216661God doesnt existShitskins rule you
>>546216692You can't except God to be graceful with heretics.
>>546216789Lol christ kikes, always expecting magic sky daddy to do the dirty work for youNo wonder shitskins rule you
>>546216661Well governments these days are but crisis management institutions, trying to manage the crises they created, they couldn't agree what virtues are so they cancelled them in favour of trying to administrate whatever through bureaucracy.
>>546214086>Given these passagesThey are doing the same thing you are doing. Picking and choosing passages that support a particular belief. The Bible isn’t a single book so the various authors disagree constantly (example, can you eat food sacrificed to an idol?).
