Why do Americans think it's a bad idea to have high-speed rail? It's literally the fastest and the safest method to travel between cities.
>>546218430We value our freedom and the autonomy which comes with it.Why do you try to impose your will upon us?Should we take what you have and make you submit to our will? No? Then stay in your own lane.
For me, it's because high speed trains move at 180mph, while airplanes move at 550mph. I'd rather go fast than slow desu.
>>546218537>Trains>Oppressors of freedomWhat the fuck are you talking about? Did you forget trains are what literally built the western half of the US? How would a high speed rail network do anything remotely close to what your post is implying?
>>546218430It's not a bad idea, it's just that the jews have ptsd from rails ;)
>>546218430You use high speed communal transit to connect the high trust homogenous population of your nation. We avoid high speed communal transit to keep the low trust ethnic crime hub residents away from our isolated communities. It is really that simple, it's a question of whether its a good or bad thing to connect your town to a city. For us it is bad.
>>546218430We have trains, but they're mostly a leisurely way to travel and sightsee the country. Otherwise we have cars and airplanes.
>>546218430niggersthey can't afford planes, but if they can afford trains, it'll just end up being a high speed nigger transportation system
>>546218537nothing says "free" like sitting in traffic on the I-95
>>546218586i mean, we can have both. more options is never a bad thing.
the real answer is that hyper-individualist property rights and NIMBY lawsuits are too OP in America and it would basically be impossible to eminent domain the infrastructure that would be necessary for such a project.
Rail lines are a force multiplier for industry.The Empire worked very hard to dismantle american industry, so you better not build any railroads if you know what's good for ya.
>>546218764no lol. you think trains can go 550mph? lmao
>>546218430Western countries lost the ability to undergo major infrastructure projects decades ago. It ends up massively overbudget, years or decades later, and reduced in scope from the original plan every time. We are in the decline stage where we cannot maintain what we have, let alone build anything new.
>>546218430I'm all for it. Get more drivers off the road so I can have fun. I miss the COVID lockdowns.
>>546218790The US has more rail line than any cocuntry on earth by far, and also moves more freight by rail than any other country by far.
>>546218430how many niggers live in korea?
>>546218537The FReEdoM to slowly become a third-world country ?
>>546218430>Amerimutt bot thread>butwhataboutchina>scripted samefag replieslooks like the Eglin niggers are having a bad day after people found out the whole Jensen Huang narrative was a backwards Amerimutt state propaganda lie and cope over nvidia chips getting banned and replaced
>>546218924>50 countries in a trenchcoat does more than 1 countryThat's nice dear, now talk about per capita
>>546218947i dont see anyone racing to become more like France.
Trains is hard job.
>>546218664>Did you forget trains are what literally built the western half of the US?Trains are primarily used to move freight in the USA. People just enjoy cars too damn much.Also people do not enjoy being scanned every time they travel, it already pisses them off at the airport. They don't want to be scanned constantly every time they go anywhere in-State. That said, I take Amtrack to Chicago on occasion because traffic. It's not a daily commute so it's fine that it takes a couple hours.
>>546218865yeah, but no check in, no taxiing on the runway, and usually depart and drop off right downtown. ends up being not much slower for short trips.
>>546218985How do you think "per capita" works with China? :)
>>546218664No.You miss the point. In personal vehicles we are in command. On trains, moving to cities in which we will not have personal vehicles upon our arrival, we have less freedom of movement.>How would a high speed rail network do anything remotely close to what your post is implying?You mistake one thing for another, and what op is asking is why we rejedt expensive high speed rail systems too few people would use to justify their cost. It's in the subtext, by virtue of what it would cost and maintain such systems, and what it would cost to use them along with what you would be lacking upon arrival at your destination.Most people would rather use their own personal vehicles when traveling from city to city.>what about long distance? (implied in this line of rhetoric)We already have planes, trains and buses, and new higher speed train systems for that. High speed rail systems are not worth the cost compared to use ratio.Planes already exist, for fast travel. So let's leave it at that.>>546218754>cherry pickingNothing says free like dictating your own destination and being able to change course at any time.>>546218947The freedom to punch french niggers in the face lol
>>546219032I drive my car for short trips. No check in either and it goes to exactly where I want and I don't need to rent a car when I get there.
>>546219032That’s what cars are for, think of it like a mini train that takes you where you want to go when you want to.
>>546218947Also, if this is supposed to be a joke, well done. Otherwise it's definitely projection. Look at your nation. It's worse than my own, and that's really saying something.
>>546218430Population density /thread
>>546219028and you do that even though Amtrak sucks. (they often don't have wifi and they put jalepenos on their greek salads). >>546219120>>546219180I mean trips like 6 hours by car. I would rather take a high speed train than drive or fly.
High Speed rail in America would be an alternative to airports, it would never replace highways. Highways are ingrained in American culture, thanks Ike.God we need another Ike/Teddy R. Even a Carter would be a relief, honestly.
>>546219028People forget (or never knew) that rail travel in the U.S. pre Amtrak was run entirely by private rail freight companies.Most of the rail in the U.S. is privately owned and maintained as well, and Amtrak has to buy passage on those rails.
>>546219011Maybe. but USA is the world's superpower, and less and less are racing to become like it too. No shit, everyone have disdain for you at this point... Also, whataboutism.
>>546219118Why do dumb faggots like you think it's one or the other? China has cheaper cars than America and everyone owns a car. But people still take trains because they get you around cities and long distances faster and cheaper. You're just a sour grapes faggot who has never ridden on a proper train and copes by saying it doesn't work with your society. America had a massive train network until your Jewish government ripped the rails out for highways.
>>546219271>they often don't have wifiI'm Gen X, I can crack open a novel or window gaze without my brain melting from lack of social media connection.
>>546218664The United States only needs trains now for movement of goods and large industry. We have what we call fucking roads to move people on
>>546219344>China has reached an estimated 366 million civilian vehicles registered nationwide (or roughly 472 million total motor vehicles including trucks and two-wheelers). This translates to about 333 vehicles per 1,000 people, with roughly 17% of households owning a car.>17%Sure, everybody.
>>546219120>>546219120>No check in either and it goes to exactly where I want and I don't need to rent a car when I get there.I drive whenever I can. Much more enjoyable, I stop where and when I want, and actually enjoy the travel as much as the destination.
>>546219355Of course, especially if it's a short ride. But considering people use trains for business commutes wifi would be an advantage.Don't order the greek salad though.
>>546218985kek the amerimutt is just parotting liesthe amerimutt network doesnt even ship half of Chinas volume by rail and is not actually bigger than Chinas rail network, Amerimutt sources just use figures that count every private mine and factory rail and dead WW1 era scrap metal from 20 year old surveys into their total, while comparing it exclusively to the Chinese public network excluding private lines, not that it matters because chinas inland cargo is mainly shipped along rivers and canals and railway is dedicated for public transport but mutts always try to move to goalpost to cargo because they have been feed cargo related lies.
I lived in Japan and used the train to get around. Having a car is better. It's cheaper and I can go where I want whenever and return when I want. I can make extra stops. And I don't to walk to or from the station, get snowed/rained on or deal with other people's bullshit.The only time public transit makes sense is if I have to go to a downtown area or a sporting event where parking prices are too high.
>>546219187We are a little nation, yet we have accomplished a lot : nuclear power, a seat at the UN security council, our own space rockets, education for all, health for all... It's far from perfect here, I concede. You, have fucking everything, and yet..... I don't know, that's just sad and pathetic.
>>546218586maglev can move at 500 mph. the problem is that the "high speed rail" being implemented is already obsolete
Leftists always glaze China/Japan or even Europe for the walkable cities but never ask why its possible. I've taken the metro in Seattle its actually decent over there but you have a crackhead doing meth on every bus/train. No one with any sort of money in America would want to live in a walkable city without segregation and getting rid of the rabid druggies. America is such a low trust society and these liberals expect us to have an open society its laughable. I wish we didn't have the abominations known as suburbia but at this point is almost necessary to have any semblance of high trust society. The time to prevent this was when White flight originally happened now its too late to have that sort of society.
>>546219344>RE DON DO DAH IN ASHIA Yeah good for you chinks and slant eyes. China is an overpopulated totalitarian shithole. Pass.
>>546219271I've never been on a long-distance Amtrak train thst doesn't have wifi available.
>muh Chinese high-speed railChina is commie so they can build whatever they want taking assets from wherever they want. They couldve used the money to build wells and roads in rural china.And most of the high speed rail runs on a deficit. Whenever I see western YouTubers take it it amazes me how the stations are empty. Only specific portions of very heavily crowded urban corridors need high-speed rail
>>546219630They had none on the trip from Chicago to DC at the start of 2024 when I took it.
>>546219702So by often you meant once, based on your single anecdotal experience? Idiot.
>>546219271>I mean trips like 6 hours by car. I would rather take a high speed train than drive or fly.Pretty soon you can rent a self-driving car that you can lay down and sleep in.
>>546219519>excluding private linesThe vast majority of U.S. rail is private, you disingenuous wumao shill.
>>546219760they said they didn't have it on that line. it wasn't just down for my single trip, asshole.
>>546219556>maglev can move at 500 mphimagine the spanish collisions at that speed
>>546219783would be nice, but you still have to deal with parking downtown assuming that's where you're going.
>>546219581>Leftists always glaze China/Japan
>>546219344> one or the otherConcerning what Mr ad hominem and strawman fallacy?I was implying and stating that building new systems which will cost a fortune and be used very little are not worth the cost, and, people would rather drive themselves from A to B if they can help it.Forget efficiency robot. This is life.>China has cheaper cars than America and everyone owns a carNever was a point made.>But people still take trains because they get you around cities and long distances faster and cheaperPopulation density and our infrastructure is different, and we already have more convenient methds of transportation which do not require building expensive new infrastructure, so you have no point to make.You're only outlining differences and upholding what your bias values as 'the best'. It's you who is making the argument of one or the other.>You're just a sour grapesProjection.>never ridden on a proper train and copes by saying it doesn't work with your societyFalse statements and lies. You're the one trying to impose these systems on us, likely to cope with the fact you are feeling inferior and frustrated.You aren't your nation, Anon. You are an individual. Also, your opinions miss the fact our lives are different here. We value different things.>America had a massive train networkWe still do, but we aren't going to make new expensive rail systems which would not be worth their cost v. their use.>>546219549>I don't know, that's just sad and pathetic.I think you value the world wrongly, and I think you see things upside down due to a bias against us. I liked France ass it was, but now you 'jungle wild", if you catch my drift.Clean it up, if you are able.My nation isn't perfect, but to have foreigners tell us what is "best for us" is beyond insulting. I'm sure you can relate.
>>546218430>surrounded by 2 oceans>400 million guns>no fucking railwaysImpossible to invade country, I honestly truthfully think the whole world together would lose against America
>>546219863the self-driving car drops you off wherever you want bro. no worrying about parking at all
>>546219118I disagree.>City to City travelwhile I agree most Americans would rather use personal transport, I don't think it's out of some desire to be "free" while traveling. It's a lack of choices. If the city is only an hour or two away flying is pointless and that leaves you with driving. We don't even need a massive nation spanning highspeed rail network. Just local ones that connect the Megalopolis together. >Long distance travelI agree with this point. However due to the ongoing competency crisis, I don't think air travel will remain the staple we enjoy today. However the competency crisis would also affect a high speed rail network, this is just a nigger/jeet/woman problem. I don't think a total replacement is needed, or anything massive like a cross country network. Just something that connects the various megalopolis together, an upgraded Amtrack.
>>546218430>Why do Americans think it's a bad idea to have high-speed rail?see>>546218727
>>546219994forgot to attach picture.
>>546219973>Hopefully the garage jeets have been keeping up on maintenance>Hopefully the jeets maintaining the software have been--ACK!Hard pass.
>>546220050Who do you think works on the trains shitskin? It's hard job.
>>546219933You're a goy with a jeet mindset. You live in a third world environment and have convinced yourself it should be that way. You're nothing but a lowly nigger.
>>546218430When I went to Japan and got to ride a high speed rail for the first time I was a bit disappointed with how fast it was I didn't get to enjoy the country side views
>>546219888What am I projecting anon? You know the post I wrote is correct. Having a cool train network connecting every major city for a tenth of the price of planes would be awesome. But we know how that would go its already bad enough to be on a plane with people and that's with armed guards and a decently high price to keep out crackheads. Idk why the Right and Left wing both cope. One side says Cars and the suburbs are amazing the other denies reality on why they MUST exist.
>>546219581>America is such a low trust society and these liberals expect us to have an open society its laughable.Wealthy white liberals want open society for thee, not for me
>>546220103You know who works on maintaining my car? Me.You know who does complex work on my car? A union shop mechanic.
>>546220150Cool story boomer.
>>546220123>What am I projecting anon?This site is nothing but Miggers pointing out how negro free Asian streets are, and how comforting the government boot feels on the neck. It isn't Leftoids at all, pea-brain. Plus a passle of VPN Changs, Chinknadians, and Chinkstrailians.
>>546219801Uh huh. Well I've taken dozens of trips on Amtrak and they always had wifi, so my anecdotal evidence is stronger than yours ;)
>>546220201Gen X, my aging Boomer pops literally WAS a union GM dealership mechanic tho. Now he's retired of course.
>>546220146That's why the majority of hardcore White liberals live up North in places like Vermont or Whiter places in Washington/Oregon. Liberals actually do often have the right spirit about things but they are too idealistic. They haven't been crushed by the world/diversity yet. If your under 25 and you've never lived in the real world I'd give you a pass for being a delusional liberal.
>>546218430To make $1000 USD in china, 50% of the population must work for 2 months while working a 60-70 hour work week. It's not that impressive when you consider how far a USD goes in each country.
>>546219994>It's a lack of choicesNo it is not. We actually want to be in control of our lives. Not waiting for trains, lugging luggage in and out multiple times or dealing with "other passengers" of varying sorts.No.We do value our freedom here, and you can't seem to understand this.>If the city is only an hour or two awayWe happily drive. We like driving. Sure we don't like being caught in traffic, but that's usually just rush-hour, and it does not effect longer distance travel in most cases. It can be avoided most of the time too.>Just local ones that connect the Megalopolis together. I'd rather drive, even with a rail system. You know why? of course you don't, and you won't try to understand either.You seem to only want to dismiss in order to play God and attempt to impose your values upon us, as though you even could.>due to the ongoing competency crisisWe can agree that must end, but, it's no excuse for more public transport which will just be an extension of said crisis. The answer is well known, to that issue.I will concede *if* the major cities somehow come up with the funds for such networks, separate from our tax dollars, maybe a donation run for and by the propel who actually want it, they should build it in that case.They should be held responsible for maintaining it too.
It's obsolete, cars are better, and airplanes are better than cars for far distances. This chinkslop propaganda sucks. Even Europe is having trouble justifying the costs for high speed rails, and they have less of a nigger problem.I enjoy riding trains, but you're insane if you think it's superior to cars in a massive country like the USA.>high speed rail>stops every 5 minutes to pick up passengers
>>546219437>Amerimutt state run media feigns to cite a Chinese source>source says ownership per 1000 people was about 260 vehicles>source says urban household automobile ownership per 100 households was 59.2 vehicles>Amerimutts "cite" 17 to 20%. There is no figure in the source even matching 17% or 20% >I deleted the 20% from my Amerimutt fake citationWhy are Amerimutts so Jewish?
>>546220324Living in Poor-Land isn't pleasant for anyone. White Poors, dark Poors, it purely sucks.Conservatives seem to enjoy teeming communities of poors, desperate for cheap work, too racially divided to organize for better compensation.The biggest lie the GOP tells is that they want everyone to have plenty. Trump of course doesn't bother with this lie at all, he'll just say "you'll be able to afford one dolly at Christmas, suck it up poors".Which is not to glaze the Left, they have stupid ideas all the time, but their intentions aren't pro-poverty.
honestly the eternal boomer is the problemthey grew up with interstate highways built by esienhower and think that is the end state of hummanity
>>546220275Cool story. Did he enjoy having his dues go to the DNC to import shitskins and drive down the cost of wages?
>>546219790>excluding Chinese private lines >while including amerimutt private linesThe vast majority of Amerimutts are liars, palantir bot
>>546220502If you read my post again Chang, it mentions that the "vehicle ownership" includes two wheel vehicles, which are the shit motorbikes ubiquitous in every CCTV crash shot. That's what boosts the vehicle numbers.Actual car ownership is 1 in 6 families.
>>546220589>excluding Chinese private linesYes, tell us more about the Chinese rail Barons of yore.
>>546218430proper trains, planes, and automobile infrastructure make a good countrythe US went from having all three to none thanks to retarded boomers buying into rust belt propaganda
>>546220549He didn't enjoy Reagan and the GOP Congress gutting the power of his union with a thousand legislative cuts, I can tell you that.
>>546220330To afford school beyond food, taxes and rent for their cardboard cuckshed 50% of the Amerimutt population works 2-3 jobs at 60-70 hours a weekTry harder palantir bot
>>546220589you're in prison right now though
>>546218537Just because trains exist doesn't mean roads won't exist anymore. Retarded ass thinking.
>>546220779Okay but I asked about all the shitskins ESL anon.
>>546220491you're confusing different forms of rail retard
>>546220781>*Angry Ching-Chong sounds*
>>546219549You’re the first French anon Ive seen in a while that isn’t an immigrant. They do exist.
>>546220648>im illiterate>and a liar>thast your problem>doubling down on my fake citations of made up numbersNo palantir bot, we do not entertain your gaslighting here.Point stands>>546220502
>>546220803The fact you thought I meant that proves your own retardation,Anon.Read again, or ask, and I will explain in more detail what I meant. Hint:you may read my other posts.
>>546219660There is NOTHING communist about building infrastructure. The very instant you see a crumb of "build" it isn't communist.
>>546218430>the safest method to travel between cities.Lol, LMAO even Also wtf happened with to the shilling about high fuel prices.
>>546220822My Dad is roughly at the "Archie Bunker" level of mild harmless racism.He's been fucked as a union guy by the GOP for so long that he reserves all of his hate for them, and doesn't toss and turn about the new Mexican restaurants he doesn't eat at.
>>546218430Because of niggers
>>546220953>He's been fucked as a union guySounds like the union wasn't doing much then ESL bro.
>>546220686>>546220797>stop pointing out the short legs of my muttidf catalog of lies>but whatabout <insert next muttidf lie>Try again with higher effort, palantir bot
>>546221023you're in prison right now
>>546220589Fuck Off, Shill.Nobody's buying your bullshit.
>>546220869>*Ching Chong, Wing Wong, Chang Wang*Source me up with Chinese car ownership numbers Chang, again Grok keeps saying "vehicles" and when it specifies cars it's 1 in 6.Dig me up some CCP figures for Chinese car ownership Chang.
>>546218430Why don't the Chinese People have their own jurisdiction over high-speed rails? Oh... it's cause they get run over by tanks and pulverized into smitherines and bombed and caught on fire and peed on when they don't obey their god and lord almighty savior "Ching Chong Government Sama" and they have no freedom like in the USA where we can vote on what to do with our tax dollars but lots of it was probably embezzled for "high speed rails" so we can hold them accountable in a court of law and have them imprisoned in a fair and rightful trial ching chong
>>546220949>but Spain had two man made terrorist attacks over the last decades>if you ignore all the amerimutt airliners crashing and blowing up every couple of weeks and hundreds of deadly car crashes every week thats makes whatever my regime sunk all their and our money into look pretty safeWhat with all the low effort mode Amerimutt bot spam?
>>546221247>High speed rail is so safeShow shitskin incompetence causing accidents>Low effort bot postLol, not an argument
>>546218537>i must register with the government to have freedom and autonomy>i must pay $150 a month to an insurance company to have freedom and autonomy >I must pay money to car companies to have freedom and autonomy>I must pay money to oil companies to have freedom and autonomy>I must pay for a road system that is much more expensive and inefficient than a train systemto answer the OPs question, americans think trains are a bad idea because they are fucking retarded
>>546224035Also the little bit of freedom cars provided are gone these days. Any car after 2014-17 literally has a built in kill switch and is connected to GPS. Newer cars can literally be turned off by the police in police chases. They can shut off your car and track you wherever you go. In a decade or 2 max these types of cars will make up 90% on the road.
>>546218430I don't think anyone is against high-speed rail per se. It's just that the US is so big and relatively sparsely populated that there's no way for a national high speed rail network to be economically viable. Most of our major cities are just too far apart from one another. Even when they want to do high speed rail, it just fizzles out. Like how's that planned rail from LA to san francisco coming along?There's also the issue of local public transportation. So let's say we somehow we can make high speed rail work here, and you take a train from chicago to phoenix. Okay... now what? Once you get to most of these cities, they're not walkable and the public transportation is nonexistent. The only place I can really see something like that work is along the northeastern corridor between DC/baltimore/philly/NYC/boston. But amtrak already exists there, and guess what? Tickets are ridiculously expensive.
>>546219028>Trains are primarily used to move freight in the USA.There's also the fact that the freight companies go out of their way to squash any attempts at better rail systems for public transportation, because passenger trains would get in the way of their freight trains.
>>546218430the harder it is for niggers (a category which now includes jeets and dune coons) to move around the easier it is to white flight away from them.
>>546218430Cause it all ends up looking like this.
>>546218430I like rail, but its hard to get *alot* of rail all over a country the size of the United States.Roads are great because you can choose where to go far more easily, but rail makes a ton of stops all across the way. Personally I'd like both.
>>546218430City nigger lovers need to be contained
Give em' some time
>>546219028>people enjoy their cars too damn much.Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that there’s zero practical alternatives.
>>546218430Railroad companies were one of the first great antagonists in US history. Absurdly powerful and owned tons of land across the country. Their monopoly was basically unbreakable and the US government had to settle and compromise with them essentially granting them full jurisdiction over their own right of ways to do as they please. These deals still carry over to today and even now the government tries to avoid railroads as much as possible, and now most of the rail lines are exclusively used for freight with minimal passenger service. In order to make effective passenger rail service the government would either need to nationalize the rail companies which will never happen or pay ungodly amounts of money to acquire their own right of ways to construct independent high speed rail lines. We’re essentially hobbled from the start with rail here. It would take an actual dictator with absolute power to make it work here.
>>546218430My reasons for oppossing high-speed rail is that our bureaucracy is inherently too corrupt to be allowed the money to build a high-speed rail network. In my case here in California, I would unironically rather have the money sent to Israel to kill palestinian babies as opposed to continue lining the pockets of the politicians and nepotists who continue to vastly profit at the expense of the people's well being.
>>546218430cause americans are stupid goy cattle
>>546218430We have planes Chang. Flight is the ultimate expression of the Faustian soul. You won't understand. We did trains 200 years a ago already.
>>546227395>America can’t have high speed rail because the government is more corrupt than ChinaI mean, you’re not wrong, but it’s not really an argument against the idea itself.
>>546218430>500 billion investedOy vey! That coulda gone to Israel ya anti-semite!
>>546227662>china doesn’t have planes Lmao
>>546218430Americans are competent enough to prevent thousands of train crashes per year
>>546218430America is the India of white people
>>546218727This
>>546218537You gringos really got fucked up the ass with the whole "muh freedom" meme. Even my shithole is more free than usa in many regards.
>>546218430Because our rail is for moving goods, not people. People can drive.
