My girlfriend agreed not to put my name on the birth certificate. Is that helpful for me in order to avoid getting child support raped? My goal is to keep my future family together over the long term and to keep the government out of it.
>>546229465Uhh actually you fucked yourself harder because A) she can use a dna test amd still make you pay child supportB)you just forfeited your legal rights as a father.Now she can put you on the payroll and do whatever the fuck she wants with the kid and theres literally fuck all you can do if you ever want to see your kid. T. Just got done with family court (aka the land of double standards) still won with my lawyer who is gay and jewish unironically. All I care about is keeping my kid away from a physically abusive mother.
>not on the b. cert18 years later she says you raped her and the dna test will prove her lie
>>546229865So I should get my name put on the cert? What other tactics can I employ to prevent her from switching up one day and using the kid as leverage? She's open to most legal arrangements or lack thereof. >>546230119Not realistic for my situation. But she's from a poor background and I don't want her getting any "big ideas" if she realizes she can take the baby and leave and still get paid.
>>546229465Fuck imagine being this guy's child and this is how your life starts. Your actual father on 4chan talking about "divorce rape". I can feel the love now.
>>546229465if femoids can kill babies without the father's consent, why can't men have financial abortion or a alimony free divorce?
>>546230425I want to keep my family together which is the basis for my motivation behind this. Go faint onto a couch in another thread, faggot.
Ask a lawyer. wtf are you asking this place for.
>>546229465Just don’t sign a marriage license Get a paternity test so you know it’s your kid
>>546230326Yes name on the cert but get a mediating attorney to draft 50/50 no child support. Keep records. Trust me at first having a kid sucks cuz all they do is cry but once they start connecting the dots and talking you will just want to be with them. >kid was acting up>instead of spanking or time out make her watch national geographic about india>if she gets stupid I can just say "ganesh" or "vindaloo" or "new delhi calcutta , jeet etc." She falls in line. My kid already has race awareness and jeet hate. She loves me, more than any foid could (no wierd shit keep it plutonic) Children are a blessing. Only women ruin it. My little one listens, does some menial chores, never a bad report from school, her favorite thing is playing minecraft with me. >i can threaten to grief her base if she misbehavesIts not hard.
>>546230857I second this. Get a dna test. Most of them are store bought but just to be safe.
>>546230857Marriage can fuck you. Signing as the father of your child only helps you if she decides to fuck you over. Master moves>find the 4 most ruthless lawyers in your court area>get consults (yes costs money but keeps your foid from getting them to fuck you)>mediating attorney Nigger if you dont have it in writing you aint got shit Also>piss her off and record her going on tangents>rinse repeat stop then keepIf she tries to divorce rape you, now you have ammo to fight back with.
>>546229465depends on your state. i had to sign a paper relinquishing my rights, and the mother (or gaurdian) and the judge have to sign it also.
>>546231274I have heard relinquishment of rights doesnt get you off the hook for foid gibs aka child support. I know in LatAm guys still get the screw according to /int/
>>546231390what about fleeing to Russia? bonus points if you sneak your kid with you
>>546229465It's not your kid.
>>546230857>>546230943>>546231248She has agreed to no legal marriage (church only) and whatever I want with the birth certificate.>>546230868>draft 50/50 no child supportWhat does this mean? I've heard that prenups often don't hold up in court--wouldn't that apply to this?>>546231686I'll get a paternity test
>>546229465No stupid nigger, put your assets in a trust. I had six million bucks at the time I married my 18 year old GF. A few months before the marriage I opened an offshore trust at a cost of around $25k, then put all my LLCs (which owned vehicles, land, and businesses) under the trust. My wife's father got her legal representation, and I had my own, for a prenup which precludes her from seeking alimony while allowing me to seek alimony based on grounds that her father was/is much wealthier than me.You never know when a foid will turn evil, so protect yourself as much as possible.
>>546232217All of my assets are in a trust already, but I figure that won't stop her from coming after me for "something" which the courts will enforce due to pro-female bias. I am not willing to be party to some situation wherein a woman is using my flesh and blood as leverage to squeeze shekels out of me--being put there by the court system would make me seriously consider murder-suicide desu
>>546229465line up a second passport And bury some gold in the desert, that's your only hope
>>546231069It's like they're detroying case law to force people into alternate legal systems like sharia
>>546232217none of that will matter if child support is involved
>>546232595This is a strong argument for endogamy and marrying a cousin.We live in a time where only clannish thinking will keep you somewhat safe
>>546229465>wants to find excuses to not support his childMan the fuck up, you goddamn pussy
ITT: DeShaunQwan pays a lawyer.
Isn't there some sorrt of system in the US where child support is used to match fund local government?Pretty warped incentives.
>>546232934are they required to demonstrate that you actually have assets? how else would they assess how much you owe?
>>546230689Dodge that accountable for knocking a woman up like the nigger you probably are
>>546232995To the contrary, I want to structure my family such that I am the sole source of support rather than daddy government so my woman doesn't leave me and fuck the kid's life up by slutting around and spending my "child support" on makeup, clothes and "dates" with other men
>>546233118>posts on /pol/>isn't aware of the female bias in the court system and the unilateral power women are given by this systemyou're a woman or a child or you're just trolling, and I am happy to point this out
>>546233136You're a fucking control freak who shouldn't reproduce. Cut your balls off and do humanity a favor
>>546233063nope. they'll see you get income, they don't care where from. They'll see you have some association with these corp structures and just assess you and say you have to pay and if you don't they'll start fucking with you personally like suspending your driver's license, taking your passport and ultimately throwing you in jail for contempt. Which is why I said this >>546232683
>>546233193I'm fully aware of the bias. You're just the type of piece of shit man who caused that bias to happen. You see, real men actually hold other men accountable for being shitbags. You have the mentality of a woman, wanting to avoid that accountability.
>>546233241>lives under gynotyranny>ridicules guys for trying to protect their liability
>>546233241No actually you are being the nigger here unfortunately.
>>546233356shutup simp. Until no fault divorce is gone marriage is bullshit
>>546229465Why wouldn’t your name be there if it’s your fucking kid kek. What are you doing with that woman if you’re already with these mental gymnastics? Get your shit together before having kids.
>>546233356>you have a feminine mentality>he says as he argues for a completely one-sided legal contract giving one side unilateral power and control, creating perverse incentives for a fickle woman to ruin the life of a child in the name of short-sighted greedright... something tells me you aren't a man or that there's something else wrong with youI'm not avoiding responsibility, I'm embracing greater responsibility and rejecting a power structure that serves only to undermine my family and my future
jurisdiction you're operating in is one of negative averments, bar guild presumptions ie standing or lack thereof, procedures, fictitious persons, subrogation, judges presiding, commericial paper and a lack of lawful money,etc etc etc
>>546233474How is wanting to protect myself and the future my of child from the whims of some fickle woman, incentivized by a powerful court system who can simply force me to pay her at gunpoint, a matter of not having my shit together? From my perspective, it's the exact opposite. There are no mental gymnastics here; I'm merely strategizing. You can't possibly have been with a woman for more than a few years or have any significant assets if you have this mindset
>>546233548>I believe all women!I wouldn't put you past being one at this point but your banter is bad and it has to stop.
>>546233583Are you referring to the maritime law problem?
>>546229465No. She can file for a paternity test and if you match you’re responsible anyway
>>546233655You’re clearly doing a good job when you need to come to incel central to ask if you should have your name in your son’s birth certificate kek
>>546229465>Avoiding Divorce Rape (Child Support Rape)You preproduced, take responsible NIGGERGET TO WORKNIGGER
>>546229465>having a child with my girlfriendOP is actually retardedif your goal is to keep your family together then get married, put your god damn names on documents and live a normal life. the moment you try to move off grid and home school your kids you will be arrested for child abuse.
>>546233784I have unironically received many gifts from this place. 4chan in her entirety not just /pol/.
>>546233679did you reply to the wrong person>>546233784you sound like an underage tourist who found this place through a video essay on youtube or an "iceberg" video or some tiktok/instagram reelI implore you to see reason. I am only responding to you because you are bumping my thread
>>546233921The only people who talk like him are people who never used this site in its heyday. They out themselves like this all the time--they can't help it because they just don't know better. Just like this guy,>>546233881who thinks he's trolling by posting this
>>546233930Probably I'm not really paying attention anymore
>>546231686Spores molds and fungus
Not sure if this would work, but if I were worried about an incoming divorce-rape, I would quietly transfer my assets to someone in my family I can trust to keep them safe, so they can't be taken away. That and making sure she never knows any of my investments or money I have in gold/bitcoin
>>546232988How do you think jews survived this long lmaooo
On the contrary you should perhaps keep cash hidden away in an underground forest
>>546233683courts here are foreign yes, run like banks by inner city of london temple bar members
>>546233881>If you want your family to succeed, opt in to a system designed to undermine it and give all of the power and control to a woman and the government (enforced by other men with guns)?
>>546234232Funny how its worked fine for like 300 million people? The only people who cant succeed in the system are severely mentally ill.
>>546229465Support your offspring, ya deadbeat. What kind of a man are you?
>>546234361ok but I can just not do that because it does not benefit me, just like I didn't take the vaxxenjoy your slavery
>>546233995Beautiful gifts of knowledge. Sometimes actual wisdom if you can time it right etc. Occult stuff too, not difficult or crazy one liners per say but over time one accumulates various different, more accurate ways of perceiving the reality around us all, just from reading posts here and exploring names that have been dropped. But I have learned things I know the powers that be would rather me not understand so there's that.
>>546229465Yeah. Means she can claim child support and you don't pay. Though, if she ever decides to take your kids, they're gone.
>>546229465Why not just take care of your kid lol what the fuck
>>546234441>What kind of a man are you?one who isn't dumb enough to agree to a legal contract which has no upsideThis board used to have a strong Libertarian bias (and, later, a Nazi bias) and now it seems to be full of shills who basically support the status quo, like literally every other website/form of media/social media. Why?
>>546230326probably by taking care of your kid by putting in an equal amount of effort as the mother.
>>546234063Everyone used to marry cousins not too long ago, we lived in villages and small towns which naturally limited your options a bit.The more distantly related you are the less trust and beyond a certain level of around 5th cousins the outbreeding even starts to lower fertility.Our biological optimum is around the 3rd cousin.If you can marry anyone it should be a cousin of some form, if you have no connection the exogamy is harmful to trust.It's not foolproof but it's about the most reliable pattern.
>>546234570>>546234441I'm trying to figure out how, in the NPC brain, being unwilling to sign a biased and one-sided legal contract somehow means I'm not willing to support my family. Are these even organic posters? Surely these are bots or people who think this site is about being contrarian at any cost rather than merely being countercultural.
>>546234473People like you always end up homeless by the time they're 60 with no social security. Don't believe? Go to some RV parks. It's mostly homeless boomers larping like they're on vacation.
>>546234664True and responsible.
>>546230689How does figuring out a way to worm your way out of paying for the kid you fathered "keeping the family together" lol.
Use a fake name obviously, wait does she already know your real one?
>>546234696>oy vey how are you going to survive without the government
>>546234684How does trying to figure out a way to get out of paying child support keep your family together? It kind of just sounds like you want to be able to abondon them lol
>>546234850How does giving a woman the option to pretend I abused her, leaving the child fatherless, because she will literally get paid for it, create a stronger family structure? You have no argument
>>546234684Also, it's called a prenup you fucking retard lol
>>546234964A prenup is only useful for a legal marriage which I am not seeking
>>546234953Why the fuck would you have a kid with someone crazy enough to lie about you hitting her lol
>>546235017Why are you having random kids you can't afford out of wedlock, what are you a fucking nigger
>>546234900guess you should go pave your own roads too then retard and be your own cops and firefighters
>>546231390Still gotta pay cs if you release your rights.
>>546230868>never a bad report from schoolif your child is this well indoctrinated they will love the modern world fall for all programmingSad, whenever a normie floats over a kid doing well in school you know that kid has no mind or soul, like saying your kid is doing great in prison
>>546234797The clan/tribe is inherently a rival governmental system to the state, if you don't build real power for your tribe the state imposes itself.This is human reality. Someone messes with your cousin you exact justice.We don't have much alternative other than these natural systems.
>>546232217Prenups get thrown out more often than not.
>>546235044Can you find one who wont?
>>546235044You obviously have never been with a woman long term, or you've only been with one and it worked out for you. Or you are a woman idk.>>546235079>oy vey how will you survive without another man taking responsibility for you and your wife
>>546235044You think he woman you start out loving is not the same woman you end up hating?
>>546235079Ill bet thousands this nigger vaxed n maskedLike a good sheepleGovt asshole lickers get fed into the ovens first
>>546232995Cuckold. Imagine paying some dumb bitch to put your kid in clearance clothes, while getting her nails done. Stupid boomer.
>>546235044All women are feminists They are all hypergamous
I thought right wingers were moral, responsible people. Hard working, family loving pillars of community. What is happening /pol/, with the good ol' values? Are you are amoral, hedonistic bugmen all of a sudden?
>>546235079Why wouldn't your tribe manage its own territory?
>>546233356You hold men accountable according to your mom's standards faggot, just so you can get a gold star.
>>546230868>>kid was acting up>>instead of spanking or time out make her watch national geographic about india>>if she gets stupid I can just say "ganesh" or "vindaloo" or "new delhi calcutta , jeet etc." She falls in line. Fucking kek
>>546235261Cathlikikes are all nigger lovers
>>546233356
>>546235017They're floating the idea that women can claim marrital rights for cohabiting women anon. soon you could be on the hook for almost any association
>>546235077Cause your taxes will take care of it and the kikes. It's not like you'll do shit about it.
>>546235261It's called politically incorrect for a reason dumbass
>>546229465you can do this method if you really trust your girl. If you have absolute trust its the best way, and then she can claim government benefits for single moms. get full benefits and you are actually still living there without them knowning you exist.
>>546235363Common law marriage doesn’t exist in most states
>>546235265Sweetie
Morality larpers, the lot of you.
>>546233241>You're a fucking control freak who shouldn't reproduceOn the contrary, most men don't want to act like this but they've been forced to by decades of feminist courts helping traitorous ex wives screw them over.You'd have to be a fool not to take steps to protect yourself in this gay and kosher system.
>>546235350excellent
>>546235437I'm not sure on mechanisms I just see it being promoted by feminist lawyer types. Something is cooking.
>>546229465Very white of you. Your next move to ghost her right before she delivers the baby. doubleplusgood if you ghost her while she delivers
>>546231248This works. My fav part though had to be running her back through court n now Chase is looking for their money. Turns out court cases aren't cheap. Who knew.
>>546235422Right. As a white male in 2026, the system treats me like a nigger, so my intention is to be a nigger to the system. I am a little surprised by the sheer volume of bootlickers ITT.>it's ironic, sweaty
>>546235553>if you don't support modern institutions and the status quo, you're a bad personPost nose
>>546235748This. So much this. What are they going to do? Shame you. I'm scared.
>>546230326>So I should get my name put on the cert?Yes>What other tactics can I employ to prevent her from switching up one day and using the kid as leverage?Make sure you always make more money than her, but really there's nothing you can do to prevent that. Don't let her hang out with chicks who are party girls because they will cheat and so will she.
>>546235118No, school is merely a progressive socialization program (some are just nigger daycares) You are just a sperg with fucked up values.Thankfully you don't have children because you would just make more socially spastic spergs. You need to learn to blend in before you can reach full actualization otherwise you are a weird paraiah with no options.
>>546229865>physically abusive motherRIP Doro
>>546235807She's fine with a stay-at-home arrangement
>>546236391Watch out for social media
>>546236637That seems like its own battle
>>546233930Your thread is so retarded it doesn’t need help with bumps and you know it. You’re just mad cause you didn’t expect to be a clown this afternoon.
>>546229865This>>546229465If you insist on not being on the birth cert then at least make her sign of for ebt, medicare/medicaid, housing allowance, etc
>>546235077I could have Musk money and I'd still take welfare. The beast deserves to bleed. Not my problem.
>>546231069Not only can you be convicted on nothing more than a single woman's testimony, that woman can be a proven, documented prostitute and her word is still enough.
>>546237220>that woman can be a proven, documented prostitute and her word is still enough.So you even need to make whores give out receipts and a service disclaimer?Is there any limitation on timespan?
Muh little Princess isn't she bootiful
>>546236861I read somewhere that this is what Orthodox Jews do
>>546230689>want to keep family together>knocks up some destitute girl, won't marry her or put name on birth certificateyou will have no legal claim to the child, and as >>546230119 said, all it takes is her claim + dna testyou will be absolutely fucked in family court
>>546237659How is it more advantageous to me to have my name on the cert? Column A: no name plus paternity test (which I'll get regardless). Column B: name plus paternity test. Break it down for me. My legal claim comes from the paternity test and merely defers that step.>marrying a destitute woman is bad somehow>um actually you should marry a good career woman
I have a big inheritance coming so child support is not an issue
>>546231858Prenups 9/10 get thrown out. Dont take boomer advice. Either go in knowing you'll possibly be fucked for 18 yrs+ or not at all. And know that people just assume a parent would never just drop their kid n double, triple and quadruple down on being a massive peice of shit, cause you can be a massive sack of shit without having done drugs, cheated or done anything illegal. Libs n white want to strip society of morals? Fucking bet. Let's do it.
>>546230326Everyone else here is retarded and giving you retarded advice. Yes, get your name on the cert.Marry your girlfriend.Get a prenuptial agreement for 50/50 custody, no alimony, no child support, all property remains yours, etc... Add in some clause about abuse/neglect just in case she turns out to be crazy so you can get full custody if necessary. Add in clause about sex so you never have to worry about not laid.Live a long, happy life and grow old with your wife.Stop coming to image boards and asking gay questions. Faggot.
Just be a good Dad nigga damn
>>546237845You ever had a prenup challenged? I hear that they get thrown out more than not and that is reflected in this thread. I'm also wondering what you believe the upside to legal marriage is for me, the father.
>>546235077Dude no this guy is just a confusion troll who says a bunch of random nonsense in a fake story to get you's. What does any of this crap even mean "don't want fathers name on birth certificate" its like on some sovereign citizen horseshit, don't worry about it.Imagine being so cripplingly greedy you can't even be legally the father of your kids because you imagine its going to do anything in court for alimony. Logically only thing that can happen she gets money in the divorce and the kid.>>546235553this is trolling but seriously only a White would be this special kind of nigger.
>>546237979There are pros and cons. You don't have to be a sovereign citizen to weigh your legal options. I get the impression from your post that you are very young.
>>546237916There is none and actually just adds more work for the apposing attorney to prove otherwise. For instance, say it was a civil union:A marriage is a universally recognized legal and cultural status that provides both state and federal rights, whereas a civil union is a state-level legal relationship that grants many similar state rights but lacks federal recognition and interstate portability.See how now it's changed the legality of the case? Getting a marriage certificate just makes the court process easier and less likely you'll settle.
>>546238101Right. None of the people encouraging me to get legally married seem to have an explanation for why it's advantageous. I don't understand why these people are even posting ITT.
>>546237979> least that could happen is you'll lose 15% of your income for a kid you can't see but every other weekend.Not including court costs. How is it not appropriate for a man to weigh this? You're basically asking them to subject themselves to possible financial abuse, to like it and it's part of being a man. Wtf is wrong with you?
>>546237916>>546237845Yeah its challenged if you do your prenup in such a retarded way, just get a fucking lawyer. Everyone in any law jurisdiction would throw out a prenup like this because of coercive behavior or something, where its an extremely rich man marries some 19 year old and she has a kid with him and then 50/50 custody, no alimony, no child support, all property remains yours on the prenup, every time that would get thrown out. Every damn time, no worries about it. In fact you might get punitive damages from a feminist lawyer for trying to basically fool some girl to give OP a kid and lots of free sex. Do not EVER do this prenup unless your lawyer tells you too.
>>546232988>Bong Paki recommends cousin fuckingKek
>>546238325I'm just going to go ahead and not marry her legally. I haven't seen a single point supporting the benefits of legal marriage in the US for the father.
>>546235044theyre crazy enough to lie about taking birth control, crazy enough to turkey baster out a condom when youre not looking, and crazy enough to get knocked up by some other guy and blame it on you. theyre crazy enough to have a kid out of spite in secret just to abuse like a voodoo doll to hurt you too. theyll take half your money in two seconds so long as they can find another moneybag to squeeze through the breakup undisturbed, on valium, with cats and a cosmo until knocked out cold on the couch surrounded by a month of empty wine bottles and takeout litter. watch out for modern girls. theyre sexual predators and will eat your whole life.
OP has brown skin. Dark brown.
>>546238637Are you shills aware that white nationalists don't love the heckin' government and its various institutions? Who do you think you're fooling?>if you act in your own self interest, you are brown
>>546238382>you must be brown to advocate for marrying someone who shares even a tiny amount of dna with you.historically most marriages were between cousins until vatican bankers decreed you couldn't without paying a fine if you were closer than 6 degree relatives
>>546238779Hey nigger. Your skin is the color of shit. Nigger.I didn't read a single word you wrote, nigger.
>>546238580>crazy enough to turkey baster out a condom when youre not lookingAlways use spermicidal condoms.
She got physically abused without her father around? Imagine my shock. Keep the damaged goods. I can't afford it anyways.
>>546238839Graceless concession
Could just grab the means of production back, but that'd mean you'd have to do something and we can't be having that, can we?
>>546229465Even if it were a kid that has none of your DNA, some states will put you on the hook for child support if you take on the role of provider for a child for long enough.
>>546238580And grown ass men let it happen, blame other men who dont like it for not being a real man, cause they're lazy ass chuds like >>546238854, who couldn't be bothered. Just sacks of shit IMO. Same ppl who sell out their own gender for ran through pussy. Absolutely wild.
>>546239299Some of the posts ITT beg the question: Have you even been with women? Do you not know how they are? I haven't met one yet who wasn't duplicitous in at least some small way. Somehow zoomers have these weird "redpill" ecelebs likr Clavicular and Tate but don't understand the concept of AWALT. I wonder how that was lost in translation when they stole their philosophies from old Reddit/4chan/bbmisc
>>546239481On account 1/3 of gen z is already dead, rates of inceling are up - I'd say many haven't.
>>546239723>1/3 of Gen Z is already deadwot
>>546229465Dude do picture of you 2 in hospital and date picture she might use it as rape shit
>>546239299What's wrong with checking your condoms use spermicides instead of being only rubber?
>>546239939Why even fuck a bag in the first place? Imagine. Bag fucker.
>>546239996You're just a troll.
>>546240168> raise valid point> chud's brain short circuitsI'm shocked.
>>546229465It will not help you. They'll order a paternity test if you don't outright state in court hat it is yours, if you just don't show up or refuse the test they'll default judgment against you and possibly charge you with contempt. It helps to not sign if it isn't yours, that's the only situation in which you are in the right in the court's eyes.
>>546240540Ok, but what are the upsides of the alternative? It seems there are a few benefits as discussed ITT but I haven't yet seen a single point supporting having one's name on the certificate. If it comes to some kind of custody dispute, the father can assert paternity using a DNA test, so what's the advantage for him to have his name on the cert?
>>546229465Child support isn't rape, it's your fucking obligation you dumb fuck. If you didn't want to chance supporting a child for 18 years you should wrapped it up or just not had sex. I'd tell you to eat a bullet but that would just make your child's life worse.People like you need to be taken out back and beaten until learn.
>>546240695I witnessed a divorce when i was 12; i simply jerked off and sniffed my crush’s scarf that she left behind in the school entrance. Anyways it was my friends parents divorce.
>>546240695Time to kill all feminist retarded niggers
>>546240640Instant rights to file claim.
>>546229865Good luck anon. I am sorry you stuck it in her but I'm glad you got a son / daughter. I'm convinced 4/10 of them don't start out retardedly insane but everything Jewish they ingest on their phone and Netflix infects their retard brains
>>546240807>Time to kill all feminist retarded niggersThis isn't feminist rhetoric it's just correct. If you go out and fuck you either take responsibility for the child or you prevent a child. You only get to choose one. People like you should also be beaten to death as your attitude produces crime and poverty.
>>546232841>ShariaNice try but you mean noahide
>>546240695Like how you imply it goes to the kid, but meanwhile the mother isn't required to show receipts or have a review of whether the kid is actually getting what they need vs it going to drugs and it's your job to prove the latter.You're such a clown.
>>546230857lol. have none of you heard of common law marriage? you're default married if you live together lots of places.it's wild low little most people are aware of how fucked things really are.
>>546240885You kike minded niggers will be ground into cattle feed in the new world order
>>546240894Yeah that one too, I couldn't remember the kike name, both are semitic crap
>>546240885Wrong, you do, clown.
>>546239481You want to keep your family together by removing your ability to have any custody, significance, or otherwise, anything to do with the child, the second she says no.yeah great thinking buddy
>>546240836Paternity can be established with a paternity test. Being on the birth certificate might streamline that in some way but it makes no difference for the bottom line. It'll amount to marginal legal fees at most in a situation which is already legally contentious. In other words, there's no real upside that I can see. The same is even more true for legal marriage--why would I do that when I can get married in a church and forego the marriage certificate? There may be some benefits (taxes, healthcare) but those might exist in both cases as per >>546236861
>>546229465avoid divorce rape 101:don't marry white womenthe end
>>546235230Imagine being deadbeat dad and not supporting your kid. Fucking scumbag
>>546235291No. I just have integrity like a man should. I'm not out here trying to dodge accountability like a woman. Grow some balls, bitchboy
>>546241110>You want to keep your family together by removing your ability to have any custody, significance, or otherwise, anything to do with the child, the second she says no.>yeah great thinking buddyI still have legal recourse through a paternity test. Being on the birth certificate makes no difference in that case beyond my own attorney proving paternity with the test. If she does turn against the father and wants to leave and pursue child support, the father being on the birth certificate mainly supports her case. I don't understand you people who can't seem to compare two options and will present only the pros/cons of one side and will maintain your stance regardless of the pros/cons of the alternative. Are you sentient? Did you even read the thread? Why post? Is this a bot?
>>546239887Good call. Thanks man. It is so crazy they want me back in the picture after all these years. They must have run out of money.
>>546241225>you can only support your children if the government compels you
>>546235044Because retards like him think only with their small head
>>546235525Trying to avoid paying child support isn't taking care of his kids, you fucking retard. If he doesn't want to pay, then he needs to fight for full custody, deadbeat
>>546241305Yeah, and you also have an entire court process with more legal fees compounded on top of that due to the nature of the case, let alone if she claims some shit and it has to be investigated, dragging out said court procedures, where you're then more likely to end up fronting the fees instead of being compensated.beep boop, nigger.
>>546241357>logic of a retard
>>546241144No doubt, but in the mists of them proving whether you're the dad, through retroactive child support, the child support builds up. It'd be put on a payment plan, could build up via interest depending on state, you'll be blocked from passport with back child support 2.5k+ and tax return taken. Child support and IRS are two agency no one should want to fuck with. Both are unconstitutional, especially child support, cause you can be thrown in jail for not paying - even though debters prisons have been illegal since 1800s, but thanks to cucks like >>546240695 - no one cares.
>>546241369Are you married? Have you ever even been with a woman? How about for more than a few years? If you think only "crazy" women divorce rape men, you are in for a shock.
>>546241305You are a complete retard
Most guys would rather be in their kid's lives as a protective and guiding figure than get financially hosed while the kid develops a lifetime of trauma and neglect.
>>546241626Married. Divorced. Wasn't raped because I didn't marry a psycho. Get better judgement and stop thinking g with your dick, deadbeat
>>546241225Actually shitstain, I prefer technically paying $100 a month and when I'm bothered, I just run the mom through litigation. What are you going to do about that white knight? Oh, you won't do shit, cause you could give a fuck less. Remember? As long as the child support is paid. Remember? Even tho the kid lives in poverty and obviously have the means to make the lift, but remember, the child support is getting paid. Remember? Guess you don't have a problem ;). Bitch.
>>546241458>>546241460>>546241566I'll "pay child support" by having a house with my wife and children in it and providing food, clothing and shelter to them. What I'm trying to mitigate is the perverse incentive wherein the woman will literally get paid to make up false allegations and leave, destroying the family unit and spending my hard earned money on nails and "dates", just like >>546235230 says.I can't comprehend what kind of feminist trauma you younger guys have been put through to come here and argue in favor of the government and gynocentric control of a relationship. Wtf lol, you do realize women are not going to see your anonymous posts and fuck you, right? Women don't even like simps
>>546241775>internet tough guy talkSome pussy's masculinity just got threatened!
>>546241817So...kidnapping a woman who doesn't want to be with you? Great example your setting for your kid, fuckface
>>546241706k so you're a loser with a failed marriage who ostensibly lucked out because she merely chose not to rape you despite the ability to do so and you came into this thread to give relationship advicethat's a real whopper of a combination, failure and survivorship bias
>>546241874>So...kidnapping a woman who doesn't want to be with you?So if the government isn't actively administering my relationship, it's kidnapping? You sound unhinged.
>>546241817This is only assuming you don't get cucked by one of the many judges that will quickly ignore anything you say to start with, the grave was dug the second you did it. What you do after the fact doesn't change much of fuck all, all you can do is ride the rollercoaster while mitigating damages. Empowering the woman more and giving her the idea she can just walk away with your kid does not mitigate damages lmao.And how the fuck am I advocating for the wife? Fuck you and your whore, I simply responded to your retarded attempt to dodge inevitability, which you then exclaimed I'm a bot lmao.
>>546241893And you're acting like a woman by trying to dodge accountability for a kid. So shut your cunt mouth, sweet cheeks
>>546241959Holy fuck...you really are retarded....
>>546241839You wish it wasn't reality, but it is. Again though, what are you going to do about your morality being challenged? You will not and won't do shit, cause cs is being paid. Remember? That's the bar. Nothing wrong with a little regulatory arbitrage clown.
I'll repeat the point if I have to but marrying a cousin is less likely to fuck you over.
>>546241976>trying to dodge accountability for a kidI'm trying to wrap my head around your perspective that keeping the government out of my marriage and family situation is somehow dodging accountability. You don't seem to be able to elaborate.>>546241971how about you try to make a counterpoint to the post to which you responded, anon?
>>546242024>more deadbeat tough guy dad talk
>>546242008
>>546242091If she's leaving and taking the kid, there is no marriage, you fucking moron
>>546242091How about no?Cope and seethe kike.
>>546241305They're either children, redditors, discord troons, or 3rd worlders using a proxy - all four have roughly the same reading comprehension. Honestly though, I'd fork the money over to consult with a divorce attorney for an hour. Maybe bounce some of the non-retarded replies in this thread off him and see what he says.I get what you're trying to do, and if it'll help you feel better about staying in the picture and providing for your family, I say do as much CYA as you want. At the end of the day, nobody on this website cares more about your situation than you do
That may not make a difference in court. If the girl see you as her father and that you’ve fulfilled that role the court will see you responsible for child support
>>546242154Dodge, duck, and weave, deadbeat
>>546242258>>546241976>>546242008>>546242191I'm not interested in marriage advice from a seething, hostile divorcee
>>546242317You'll be one too soon enough with your hateful arrogance
>>546242118Can't be a deadbeat when child support is being paid. Remember? What's wrong? Having some cognitive dissonance? Shame me more, it's not like you'll do shit, but defend a fucked system for some ran through pussy.
>>546242370>hateful arroganceare you even sentient? look at your posts >>546241566>>546241369>>546241225on and on19 posts by this ID, spewing impotent vitriol and nothing moreWorst case scenario: I end up like you. lmao
>>546242248See, you actually know how this works. These idiots have no idea how the system works and try to get out of responsibility for a kid they fathered. It's no wonder men get a bad rep with cunt dribbles like then claiming to be men
>>546229465Lol lmao even
>having a wife>having kids>2026holy shit, look at this bunch of cuckolds
>>546242475Except this whole thread has been about AVOIDING child support, you dumb fucking cunt
>>546242509Do you have kids? Did you have them before the divorce? Are you and your ex-wife "best friends"? It sounds like she let you keep the Nintendo.
>>546242571child support =/= supporting a child
>>546242199The bar is simply a cartel looking to collect. They'll always try to kick the case on down the road, cause they get $500 an hr or more n got massive student loans to pay off. A custody case is easy $30k - 100k each. That's not including child support. It's a serious business, amounting to like 50 billion annually.
>>546242507Worst case scenario you get what you deserve: a proper financial raping
>>546242626Oh, another retard
>>546242571Correction: It's about mitigating potential additional mechanisms of control behind the American legal institution known as "child support", not about avoiding actual support of the child
>>546242710Then file for custody and stop being a pussy. Man up
>>546242669>you deserve a "financial raping" for trying to avoid being taken advantage of financiallypost tits
>>546229465>already dodginghow about step up and be a father in every sense of the word. Literally every decision and means.Marry her, get your dumb ass on the birth certificate and provide for you new family.
>>546242767If it came to that, I would. But obviously I want to structure my marriage such that I can avoid divorce entirely, which precludes filing for custody.
>>546242708It used to be the legally protected norm to get to see and be around your kids with a supportive wife sharing your hard earned resources. Now you are on the line to lose all contact while she, jew lawyers and the state take their cut of your earnings.
>>546229465Dumbass nigga, once she divorces you, she will take the child and you will never have the right to see him or her, this is why you should either know someone that is a lawyer or pay one, Daquan...
>>546242669This is a cumdumpsterTits or gtfo
>>546242571You'll not avoid it, which is the point of delaying it and/or "underpaying." Idk what to tell you cuck, but the deal is I sit down, while the government and a white women vax the kid up for big pharma, gets subjected to poverty and goes to a poverty rittled public school. In exchange, I pay child support and don't litigant for my rights. You wanted this. Remember? Like I said, people think a parent will always do for their kids, but once you invert that logic - it's a cake walk from there. And the best part? You won't do shit, but call me a deadbeat, but according to your logic - a deadbeat is someone who doesn't pay child support, but I do. So? What's the problem?
>>546242868>>546242767what's with this weird shaming strategy of claiming that someone isn't masculine man if he doesn't agree with government control and administration of his marriage? Wtf happened to this place?>ahhh the government isn't giving me permission to fuck my wife, how will we have intercourse without filling out boxes 2A through 2F on form ten dash A sixteen?! I'm literally going insaaaaaanedo you ladies realize shaming doesn't work as well on men as it does on women? try a new strategy
>>546242984Also, If you are panicking in advance like this, she is probably not the one and you fucked your entire life up by being with a woman that you don't trust+having a child with her!
>>546243110>"trusting" women>ever>"the one"Go back to /r/twoxchromosomes
>>546232841I think what happened was in "the rule of law" these people politicians, lawyers, judges, and cops were given pretty much total control over every aspect of society, and the things which kept them in check before, like fear of the mob, lack of organization, lack of communications, etc, etc, went away, and basically it's just their need for control.. they don't even realize how much harm they are causing to society, because they are protected from it by their layers of security. All they see is an opportunity to interfere in peoples' lives, which makes them feel powerful, and they go for it, uncomprehending of the impact it has on society. And this is why philosophically, the industrial revolution and its alienating effects on communities has created some sort of top down structure where a handful of rulemakers control everyone, for good or for ill.
>>546243265This. And it's all cause of cucks like >>546242571.
>>546243336that is a female, just look at >>546242669
>>546229465You're a fucking retard nigger and I hope she gets every dime she's owed out of your abusive ass
>>546243411Hard to tell the difference between a modern "man," and a women. They hate it when you invert their logic, but the wealthy do it all the time and they won't do shit about it. Absolutely nothing.
>>546243527>sexual deviant enraged by the concept of a heteronormative, traditional marriage with minimal government involvementlook, I'm into some freaky stuff, too, but that doesn't have to be your entire identity
>>546243569>but the wealthy do it all the time and they won't do shit about itplease elaborate
>>546243527Well, if she's owed $100 - guess that's a wrap. Oh? Don't think $100 is enough? Damn, be a shame if another custody case appeared. Cause a judge will always make a path, that's why society and the government wants men on drugs - makes it easier for them to strip rights away.
>>546243649>>sexual deviant enraged by the concept of a heteronormative, traditional marriage with minimal government involvementIt's a war to prevent strong families that could threaten their pathetic hold on power.A literal shattering of the most fundamental building block of complex society
lemme explain it to you retardsIf you 'register' your childs birth with the Govt, you are granting Govt jurisdiction over your child.. It becomes Property of the State.If you register your Marriage with the Govt you are granting Jurisdiction over the marriage contract. The Govt can intervene.Now to avoid ALL the pitfalls on this thread.DO NOT register your Marriage with the Govt.Get Married in a Religious Ceremony and Sign the Contract with GOD. Like it used to be.Given the Separation of Powers between Church and State. If the Govt has no Jurisdiction it cannot intervene in any CONTRACT of Marriage or the "Property" of the Marriage including kids.You are not Sovereign if you Consent to Govt Intervention in any matters between you and your Religious Church Beliefs.Private contracts are binding in a court of law if you DO NOT consent to granting Govts the right because you Registered your Contract with the Govt.You people rejected your Religious Beliefs This really has NOTHING to do with God. Its about Freedom of Religion. but the Satanists of the world tricked you into rejecting God and in doing so you threw out the baby and marriage contracts with the cancelling of your Sovereign Rights to have a Contract with your 'Creator'. so argue about fucking nothing you dumb faggots. The State will make slaves of men and own your kids because y6ou have no SPIRITUAL Rights and know nothing of History.
>>546243649>weak faggot male who would rather run away than work hard to support a childWe need abortions for your mediocre seed, you should not be reproducing LMFO. ROLF, even. Your brain is rotten and diseased, it fears to be involved with your child and take care of them even if you have a difference with your partner.
>>546243920>DO NOT register your Marriage with the Govt.This is the plan
>>546243685Sure, for starters what is owning stock in one's company, getting a loan for it at 6% and not having an income that can be taxed? Wealthy do this shit all the time. Trusts and LLCs are big ones too, but cucks won't do shit, but be crabs in a bucket, cause it's all they can bring down.Tbh, the county is a playground for the wealthy and functional psychopaths alike.
