>Crises of Overproductioncheck>Falling Rate of Profitcheck>Concentration of Wealthcheck>The Rise of the Gravediggersyou are here
>>546254347He was right about everything except for the idea that the proletariat would liberate themselves. It turns out that the proletariat are just too stupid and servile to be capable of class conscience.
>>546254347>>546255520You're both low IQ bitches of the yids, and I loathe the fact shabbos genetic shit like you breathe the same air as me.
>>546254347Elaborate on each of those points.
>>546256383>goldInteresting. How was the wage vs price of gas?
>>546256383>no argument
>>546254347It is inevitable, but we’re too early. Our production mechanisms aren’t efficient enough. We’ve squandered our technological progress and have begun to lose momentum. Rent seekers and swindlers have wasted so much.
>>546256824What is inevitable? Answer me you filthy commies!
>>546255520Did marx forsee the mass importation of foreign labor as a tool to prop up the bourgoisie status quo and demoralize the established proletariat via public shame rituals by citing racism and antisemitism?
>>546256913Why don't these commie-bots ever want to talk :(
>>546256841A communist civilization. We’ve had a bad tendency of forcing it before crossing the threshold of post-scarcity. Forcing it won’t work, and we’ve grown so old, fat, and degenerate that we’ve all but lost the inertia required to propel us through the dictatorship of the proletariat. The capitalist system has become recursive. It is now unabashedly feeding off of its own seed corn. It is corroding itself away more quickly than it builds up the productive capacity of the world. We are going to fail because our morality degenerated faster than our productive capacity progressed.
>>546256913yesread his letter about Irish vs English labor and how the English bourgeois use Irish labor to disenfranchise the English proletariat while simultaneously pitting the laborers against eachother so they can't rise up against the bourgeoisie.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1870/letters/70_04_09.htm>And most important of all! Every industrial and commercial centre in England now possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps, English proletarians and Irish proletarians. The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life. In relation to the Irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, thus strengthening their domination over himself. He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the “poor whites” to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A.. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland.>This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organisation. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this.
>>546256913Probably, based on what he attributes to capitalism. >The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature.>The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image.
>>546254347Pretty sure profits are at record levels and what overproduction? Everything is expensive as fuck. Wages not so much.
>>546254347itt
>>546257017I think it's curious how capitalism has evolved from >make product people want to maximize profitto>make product that people need to function in the modern world and morph it into something to control them and harvest their data and work >post scarcity Impossible. At least for things like land. There will always be limits.
>>546257455I'm the one on the very left at 2 seconds in
>>546256771you don't argue with faggot nazbols and communists
>>546254347>Falling Rate of ProfitRetard.
>>546257598I have a theory that the intense financialization of capitalist economies we’ve seen since the 80s has acted as an inertial dampener that serves to allow for extended periods of non-competitive monopolyesque behavior. After all, the banks own all the debt that allow these corporations to function, and that means the banks own the corps. It’s a monopoly with extra steps. Financialization ossifies an economy, and that means there are fewer busts but also fewer booms. The method through which the capitalist system separated the proverbial wheat from the chaff was the boom-bust cycle. The severity of that cycle is so dampened that there is no separation any longer. There is simply a permanent financialized class now.
>>546257598Also post scarcity is still subject to the laws of physics. The point would be that the common man’s hopes and desires are outscaled by the productive mechanisms of the economy. Think of it like big line going up. Big line can only go up for so long before resources become the limiting factor, but the idea would be that technological progress circumvents the Malthusian trap again and again. Malthus is never correct until he is. He will be if the system keeps bleeding the productive dry to try and preserve the underbelly scab class it uses as a club to beat the producers back into line.
>>546256383Before 1980 - 1990>Commies give everybody a job, roof over head, healthcare and education>Jews in America throw money on plebs so they can have all that without communism>Do everything to subvert Soviets>An average CEO salary is 17x of a workerIn the 80s, during Reagan, the collapse of Soviet Union is anticipated>Jews gradually close the pipe>CEO salaries go up to 400x of a worker>You need 2 jobs to rent a shitboxYou got played, do you ever ask yourself why was it so good in the 60s ?If you had a situation like today but Soviets were giving shit away for free, more Americans would say "hey, wait a minute, I want that too".Masterful play, ngl.
>>546254347>The political emancipation of the Jew, the Christian, and, in general, of religious man, is the emancipation of the state from Judaism, from Christianity, from religion in general.
you are here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIMaDQjEHdk
>>546257866I figure regulatory capture played a major role as well. Like in evolution, when a mutation provides a competitive advantage, that mutation will win out, if concentration of wealth and political power provides a competitive advantage in terms of acquiring more wealth and power, the end result will be an evolution to extreme wealth concentration. >>546257989I think it's interesting to look at already existing limited examples of post-scarcity. Like when it comes to digital media. I can download (for free) 10 times the amount of tv shows and movies that I could ever watch in my lifetime. The limiting factor is my time, not the product. There's no need or desire for more on my part. In fact, things were probably better when we had a shared scarcity and most people watched the same shows and movies and then touched grass. Post scarcity in this case is atomizing. >Malthus is never correct until he is.They system values throughput. GDP. Create, planned obsolescence, re-create. So the system is incentivized to race to the Malthusian breaking point. Anyways I'm pretty drunk so forgive my relative incoherence.
>>546258323The incentive structure will cause the super-normal-stimuli pleasure pods to enshittify to the point where people will return to touching grass.
>>546258412"Everywhere it is machines — real ones, not figurative ones: machines driving other machines, machines being driven by other machines, with all the necessary couplings and connections. [...] A schizophrenic out for a walk is a better model than a neurotic lying on the analyst's couch [...] This walk outdoors is different from the moments when Lenz finds himself closeted with his pastor, who forces him to situate himself socially, in relationship to the God of established religion, in relationship to his father, to his mother. While taking a stroll outdoors, on the other hand, he is in the mountains, amid falling snowflakes, with other gods or without any gods at all, without a family, without a father or a mother, with nature. "What does my father want? Can he offer me more than that? Impossible. Leave me in peace." Everything is a machine. Celestial machines, the stars or rainbows in the sky, alpine machines — all of them connected to those of his body."
>>546258697Complexity begets instability. The only actual singularities that exist in nature are destructive (black holes) where each progressive state increases the stability of the system.
>>546254347Our current zeitgeist has vindicated nearly every prediction he's made, It's been said before but Marx truly is the philosopher of our times.
