Since France proved to be a Russian collaborator that wasted Germany's time in developing a sixth generation fighter, which one should Germany buy to drop a nuke on Paris and end the EU?
I didn't realize NGAD and the FA-47 lineage were different planes
>>546261887Air Force vs navy
>>546261842FCAS look the coolest
>>546261924Vertical stabilizers are so last century.
>>546261924I think the two American ones look the neatest. like UFOs the rest look like f35 derivatives.
>>546261842>building>chinaThat joke never gets old. MIG-15 engine and avionics get a chinkshit bodykit and they call it a day.
>>546261842>indiaGood morning, saar
>>546261842>AI sloppa pics
>>546261842> The Indian one is covered in diarrhea
>>546261842Those projects are a waste of money at this point. Just build submarines, missiles and drones, and you're pretty much set if anyone tries to fuck with you.
>>546262239The American ones are just relays for drone wingmen allowing a human to decide to shoot or not
>>546262093you dont know that. why bother underestimating china? they have the largest manufacturing economy in the world and hundreds of millions of well-educated peoplethey actually have two programs: J-50 and J-36. Both have flying prototypes>FCAS is dead, except for the networked autonomous drones part>The japanese project was merged into GCAP - which is probably the most serious of the efforts pictured after the Chinese ones>NGAD is pretty much unknown despite the funding secured. The 2030 timeline does not fit>FA-XX - probably going to be axed next time budget is approved>Jeets & Russians will only ever make drawings and CGI videos
>>546262239No Pierre we need le big jets to fly over sportsball games.
>>546262278I get that ethically you need a human coordinator and shit, but it seems this doctrine is already abandoned on the ground. Autonomous weapons are already deployed in ukraine and israel. If an hypersonic missile is approaching you might not have the time for a human to react
>>546262340That's why they say the sixth will be the last gen of fighter pilots. People will get comfortable with robots deciding to kill and not spend a billion a plane to have a human do it.
>>546261842Seems Germany are trying to join GCAP. But some of the GCAP don't want them, as they fear they will start making the same demands as FCAS, when Germany and France just kept arguing who got all the jobs.
>>546262396I feel like the 6th one will already be obsolete by the time it gets produced but I get those industrial cycles are very long and also part of military marketing. But jesus how many missiles and submarines could you get with those programs. Macron announced a program for a new drone compatible aircraft carrier, but I also think this shit will be a floating coffin in the age of hypersonic missiles and low cost drones.If pirates and militias can get their hand on "advanced" and cheap tech, projecting power will be harder and harder and those big expensive ships useless.
>>546262472The issue with germs is that they always pull the cover to them
>>546261842Fighter jets? What for? Seems useless. Multirole & bombers are what's good, to lower launch costs and make missiles more affordable with a reusable platform. It's all about ordnance delivery. Have you seen the US swarming Iran's skies with their air fleets? No, because they'd get shot down. The objective is to destroy enemy shit. For that you want AI drones that don't require any kind of connection, advanced missile technology, both offensive and defensive, and reliable launch platforms, i.e. long range bombers who can drop glide bombs from safe distances or fire air to surface missiles, saving money on the more expensive surface to surface variants since they don't require extra fuel to get into the air.Fighters are a meme. The investment should be into air defense and detection. It's all about who detects who first and at what range, preferably the farthest out with weapons that can reach. For that reason a fighter jet isn't strictly necessary to bring down an opponent. A web of radar systems and anti air missiles will suffice or act as a compelling deterrent to make such flights too risky to execute. Remember that the US asked Iran for permission to bomb Pickaxe Mountain because they knew they couldn't count on any kind of stealth in that circumstance. Stealth becomes a meme depending on the plane's payload. If it's too light it will be stealthy but won't pose much of a threat to ground targets. If it's too heavy it will be a threat and a big fat target for ground based air defense.
>>546262520The material science research still pays off. You can stuff the same technology in a fighter drone for 30 million when including a pilot makes it cost 300 million
>>546262472Germany will have "observer" status it seems.Personally I think the best path forward is a dual approach.- Using that observer status to gain theoretical expertise on earl-stage development since that phase is likely already done, build practical expertise in producing stuff - Make a separate own jet that actually fits the specsScrapping the french shit was long overdue. Their demand actually is "you pay, we get all the benefits with no compromise">>546262542Listen to the experts.Tip for anyone reading along: you can join a "student protest" to destroy french cities, fully anonymous, it's fun
>>546262754>Listen to the experts.All german geostrategic choices have been huge blunders, and now your industry is going to the shitter, so no I won't listen
OK but can anyone instruct me on how to deploy an agm-45 shrike using a F-4E phantom 2 there’s like anti air radars and shit im supposed to destroy for my niggaz
Killing frenchies is back on the menu boys.
>>546262472The French are easy to work with if you understand they're bit neurotic and eccentric, and allowances can be made for that. With Germans, they don't even act like Europeans as they're far more collectvist and self-interested. They were allowed on board with our Tornado and Eurofighter projects, then they lied about everything possible to get as much control, and even sued British Concorde engineers during the project, and then realised they had made a mistake and were trying to sue the people that were offering the expertise (which was then retracted), and that ruined the potential for the Tornado. They even kept Italy from accessing a project which wasn't theirs with the Eurofighter. They don't act in good faith as at the forefront of all Germans mind is not the successful completion of projects, but self-aggrandizement - "how can we come out of this project looking better than our partners, and controlling more than they do". This is a byproduct of never having a true maritime culture, which is inherently co-operative and transnational. They're this insular group of spergs that look at the world like everyone needs to be fucked over. If you notice with Germans, they literally don't develop personalities beyond their Germaness. Everything is about being German, not being an individual. The best thing that happens for Germans is they leave Germany and assimilate into other cultures where it forces them to become individuals and not bugmen.
>>546262970Well put
>>546262970>With Germans, they don't even act like EuropeansIs it the Slavic and Hunno-Turkic blood?
>>546262970>The data comes from an international COVID-19 research project. However, the sample is not a representative survey of the entire population of each country. Furthermore, the study was not preregistered. The researchers themselves acknowledge methodological limitations when comparing countries and cultures.>The lead author says this himself: treating the findings as rankings or judgments about entire countries is a misinterpretation; they are average differences with substantial overlap, and individuals within a culture vary far more than cultures do from each other. He also says most effects are modest, which is typical for large cross-cultural personality studies.>self assessment.It's an opinion poll tarnished by cultural differences. Crazy, to present this in this way hereAlso you edited the colors on the map.
>>546262970>>546263021I don't get why UK and France didn't do a maritime fighter program together
Doesn't matter considering Russia has hypersonic missiles.
>>546263326I didn't make these image, they are online.The results are hardly surprising. The comment I made is accurate on how insular and narcissistic Germans are, and that study showed that more collectivist societies are more narcissistic. No one can work with Germans, yet everyone else can co-operate with everyone else.
>>546263405I don't either. Britain, France, Italy and Japan would be top tier.
>>546262970still mad that we ended your shit empire?
>>546263489The original map is here and no what you're posting isn't there https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/figure/10.1080/15298868.2025.2593298
>>546263534With a bit of luck GCAP will be the new JSF and you'll sell thousands of them
>>546263544The British Empire was already declining as the elites, ie Tories had adopted free trade which was a shit policy. Notice you no have no ability to refute what I said and just have the usual German malignancy towards others. As it happens though, our country has done more for the world than yours, by far, and it was hardly a shit empire when it took you to the 1950s to match our per capita income, aided by the likes of the Marshal Plan and even Britain re-starting German industry like VW. Even today we are way ahead of Germany in innovation and advanced technology sectors. Even the only thing you're good at, making cars, you're declining at, while we have top tier auto technology at the cutting edge. Its a British technology firm Mercedes just bought to have thin carbon fibre 1000hp ev motors. We have some of the best battery tech innovations, even when these are not out main sectors. Enjoy using the Eurofighter into 2060 though. At least it'll prevent you from starting another war. On the converse side, we'll have 6th gen fighters and you'll be perfectly fine as we won't be starting wars.
>>546263624I didn't recreate the images, they're already online, yet the images you just posted clearly show Germany as more narcissistic.
>third world countries are still using vertical stabilizerskek what a bunch of failures
>>546261842>Russian collaboratorWhat made you to be a pederast, chomo?
Remember.Every time you buy Chinese you are helping to dismantle the american empire hegemon.Spend wisely, invest in the fitting future.Allow China to grow larger.
>>546261842You wasted our time, again. Now Italy doesn t want your creepy ass in the GCAP. Just buy some american aircraft already, like you always do.
>>546261842Of course the indian jet has diarrhea print
>>546261842Can you nuke Lisbon as well under some flimsy excuse?
>>546263801Jews and communists are very happy about the "good" your country did for "humanity"That Germany is richer than for "only" 80 years by now after you had a multi-decade headstart and is now buying your companies at will also doesn't shed a good light on you. After you generously gave India self-determination and made a Paki the mayor of London let's hope Scotland gains independence as well for the good of humanity. After that you can sell the GCAP IP and BAE for a symbolic price of a few million english rupee to be admitted back into the EU as a net beneficiary receiving gibs from poland
>>546261842GCAP but you won't get any workshare since you joined the party too late, or you can try to develop one solo.>US ones haven't even started yet, so will be massively late & overbudget>Russia will build 3 prototypes, crash two of them in airshows, then send the last one to a museum>India's effort won't even get off ground, but remain on tarmac pissing oil everywhere>China won't export their stuff to you anyway, and no one really knows how good it is>Japan's solo effort is abandoned and merged into GCAP>France will carry on with their solo effort GCAS, and it may even turn out alright if Rafale is anything to go by,but you didn't want to buy French
>>546264182I wanna nuke india
>>546261842Germany has no nukes Mo', if you weren't such an inbred goatfucker you'd know that.
>>546264534For now
>>546264478China is already building their gen 6 planes, the CRAP is just a sparkle in someone's eye
>>546264582You would need to have heavy water nuclear reactors for that, even Argentina is in theory closer to the nuke.
>>546264534Everyone can build a nuke in ten minutes, you've got blueprints of the first few generations of nuclear warhead on Wikipedia these days you can probably get 30kt warheads as a small university project.All they have to do now is enrich uranium in one or their many nuclear power plants and ask the guys in their space program to start building heavy rockets that fall back down on purpose, Germany is only 30 years away from having nuclear weapons we should be terribly concerned
>>546264617heh, nobody gives a damn about weapons created by a coward who abandoned the capital Nanjing and fled during the war. What are you, retard?
>>546261924someone would expect FICAS would be indias project
Damn, this zigger shill thread might be the lowest effort try yet.Are the funds drying up?
>>546264417you're really making a case for his "usual German malignancy towards others" - your post is dripping with itlisten to yourself
