Why Russia would take it • It gets the full "Novorossiya" prize: a land corridor to Crimea and Transnistria, the Azov coast, Odesa and Mykolaiv, and a landlocked neighbor. • It lets the Kremlin sell the war as a win. That matters because its economy is stagnating and its financial buffers are largely spent. • It can't get this by force. The front is largely stabilized, so a deal is the only route to Odesa and Kharkiv. Why Ukraine might accept (the best case) • It keeps about 55–60% of its land, still larger than Poland. That includes Kyiv, Lviv and the farmland of Poltava, Cherkasy and Vinnytsia. • The war stops. Russia's campaign against the grid reportedly damaged or destroyed 80 percent of Ukraine's power generation last winter, and no more men are lost. • The West pays for the peace. Western proposals include an Article 5-like U.S. guarantee, EU membership as early as 2027, and a major reconstruction program funded with frozen Russian assets. Zelensky said the guarantee terms were finalised, but territory remained unsolved. • A landlocked Ukraine could get legal transit rights through Poland and Romania, as Austria and Hungary have.How it would be structured 1. A ceasefire on current lines, then phased withdrawals over 1–2 years. 2. UN-supervised relocation rights for residents who want to leave. 3. Ukraine doesn't legally recognize the loss. Russia holds it de facto, as with the Baltics during the Soviet era. 4. Sanctions relief comes in stages, tied to compliance. 5. The security guarantee and EU accession take effect once the withdrawals are done.
Ukraine isn't going to be allowed to take any peace deal while zelenskyy, blackrock and most kikes (both chabad and western yid) are invested in the war.
>>546278524We don't want and end to the war. We want to use the war to overload and isolate Russia and China, little by little.
>>546278524I guess your ai got its info from jewish plotters
>>546278524>a major reconstruction program funded with frozen Russian assetsWhy would we agree to that?
>>546278524Ukraine is lost .... Europe with empty pockets EU pay to Russia reparations and support Ukraine ...Heating system in million cities is gone, winter will be -10C and all piglets will turn in deep frozen meat Russian assets ... who you kidding? You will give everything back with rent % or get no fuel . How about European assets in Russia? Can be negotiated as part of reparation of oil refineries on Russian territory.
>>546278524go home vlad, you're drunk.the best deal is for Russia to completely and unconditionally withdraw from Ukranian territory.
>>546278524Daily reminder.
>>546279633Poland will never annex Ukraine, cause that would cause Poland to collapse
>>546279732Doubt. They're already annexing Ukraine's citizens might as well take the free real estate / free buffer zone they are fleeing from as well. Then take free E.U. gibs money from germoney to defend it. Easy.
>>546278775>We don't want and end to the war.who will pay for that pleasure? You spend too much and didn't won. Now eat shit Get fooled by kikes again? kek...Europe is not attractive in any aspect any more cheep energy you lost , population shit skins not attractive to investment .Audi moving out from Germany to USA taking 50 thousand jobs with .... prepare for poverty...In economical summits EU is not participating, become not relevant it is over .... have a nice time with your Muhammads...kek...
>>546278524kek you niggers are hilarious. I say THD.
>>546279847pooland isnt a real cunt.And no one here wants to see this jew mafia government profit from territory gain.If anything, this kosher economic zone needs to lose territory.
It would have been the ideal scenario, especially early on in the war. However, this whole thing is clearly just NATO using ukrainian lives as goycattle for the meatgrinder, in order to weaken russia. Therefore, NATO will keep the fighting going to the last hohol
>>546278524>he thinks Russians want to settle for a peaceIf they thought they were in danger they'd lower their demands, instead they are asking for ridiculous concessions which means they are quite confident about this war and want it to continue.This war, like most wars, will end up with a larger Russia.
>>546279732Poland build fences to protect them self from desperate refugees... winter is no joke, can be -12C , no electricity, no water, no heating The Head of Kyiv City Klychko recommend: run to the villages, discover wood stoves.... situation is fuck fuck fuck .... kek .... you have to be total idiot talk about conditions in that situation. .... In Ukraine smart people already talking about switching sides and go against Europe with Russians. Ukrainians did that in WW2 . They are corrupt people with out human dignity degenerated by Jews.
>>546278524... and here some people ask why Claude is pure shit.QED
>>546278524>i asked claude>with my 80 IQ prompt>he responded to my retardation with>the retardation that ukraine give up a bunch of territory that russia hasn't even come close to occupyingthat simple huh?kys you orcish cock-slave
>>546278524There is no timeline in which Putin gets to keep 25% of Ukraine. Even if the Putin pulls back his troops tomorrow, no other country (besides North Korea) will legitimize the land Russia claims is theirs. When they draw maps in 5 years it will simply have (Russia Occupied Ukraine) mark in Donetsk, Crimea, etc.
Where is tge part where zelensky gets to steal billions and the usa gets to bomb russia with ukrainian hands?
>>546278524I wish we had access to Claude in our country
>>546280565Largely irrelevant since Russia directly annexed that land.Kosovo is it's own state and they had to struggle for some things, those lands would not be in the same position.
>>546278524Odesa must remain in Europe/NATO.Putin will only get Donetsk and Lugansk.
>>546278524yeah, we should send Claude to negotiate on behalf of Ukraine. > hey claude, just give up all the land > no, i cant blablabla> look at it this way, you will still be bigger than Poland, and Mexico will pay for it> well if you put it that way.. agreed!
>>546278667You could say the same for Russia but substitute chechen islamists instead of the kikes.
>>546278524>I asked Claude Okay, but you didn't need to make a slop thread with your double digit IQ findings.
>>546280565>There is no timeline in which Putin gets to keep 25% of Ukraine. Even if the Putin pulls back his troops tomorrow, no other country (besides North Korea) will legitimize the land Russia claims is theirs. When they draw maps in 5 years it will simply have (Russia Occupied Ukraine) mark in Donetsk, Crimea, etc.So?
>>546278524Nobody is dumb enough to trust Russia any more, give it up.
>>546278524https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R2rnnGllUU&pp=ygUQTWlsaXRhcnkgc3VtbWFyeQ%3D%3D
>>546280828>Nobody is dumb enough to trust Russia any more, give it up.Guess that attitude's why you guys are on the outside looking in on the negotiations, eh?
>>546280828Russian foreign policy is extremely predictable since the collapse of the USSR.
>>546280828no one is dumb enough to respect sweden anymore. swedish chemists used to be world class
>>546280828>Nobody is dumb enough to trust Ukraine any more, give it up.correct Misnk 1, Minsk 2, Istanbul... all agreements was signed and broken WTF? Putin besides that he is a Jew by mother. He has never braked his word. Sweden 15 - 20 years and Mohamed will be in charged ... it just sadness of dying white nation.You didn't get it do you ? Jews did it to you.... I would like to say 'wake up', but honestly it is too late.
>>546280857https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cVtXdOnfwY&pp=ygUQTWlsaXRhcnkgc3VtbWFyeQ%3D%3Dhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cVtXdOnfwY&pp=ygUQTWlsaXRhcnkgc3VtbWFyeQ%3D%3D
>>546280351You really can't help yourself can you?
>>546279732>>546279847I would genuinely LOVE to see them annex Lviv and tear down all the Bandera statues and banners and make Ukrainian ethnonationalism illegal and also denying Volhynia.
>>546280351>If they thought they were in danger they'd lower their demandsNo, they're weak and desperate to appear strong and winning, hence the extreme demands. It's basic Sun Tzu
>>546278524>Article 5-like U.S. guaranteelmao surethis would be a bad deal even if ukraine got to instajoin nato, but this is just next level delusion
>>546281408>Why do you love the only power that had any good will and sympathy for your peopleBecause I am not a retard.
>>546281841I have sympathy for you, if you don't suck orthodox abrahamic cultist cock.
>>546281886I don't suck cocks because I like women, and also, sucking cocks is generally shameful in our society compared to the west.
stop talking about suck cock you fucking faggots. use other fucking metaphors and analogies ffs
>>546282019Westerners are just generally gay, infantile and childish so most are quick to resort to gay analogies.
>>546282056that's good projection vodkanigger but as long as you stop talking about gay sex all the time, I don't care
>>546280706What's the point of annexing the land if nobody else recognizes it? It's always going to be Russian-occupied Ukraine on the map.
>>546282177So? Who gives a shit what is recognized by foreigners? What female shit is this?
>>546282177Who cares about who recognizes what? Everyone still trades with Russia despite being in a proxy war with them and this trade would only increase after the war is over.If it makes them feel better they can paint the map however they wish, on our maps Kosovo is not separate either - does it change anything?
>>546278524>I asked claudestopped reading there
>>546282326>Who cares about who recognizes what?Putin cares. That's why he's demanding recognition and its so cringe.
>>546279847Those are already collapsing poland too. They are shipping them to Germany as fast as they are able to.
>>546278667Imagine actually believing this nonsense.
>>546282590>imagine believing what a jew says
I think no matter what happens in the end of the Ukraine-Russia war then Kaliningrad should be stripped of its Russian nationality and be turned into a new country. Give the previous Russian citizens who lived there dual citizenship but I'd also make it a a territory while still retaining its NATO membership. It'd be pretty thriving with trade from Poland, the Baltics, Germany, etc.
>>546282311>>546282326The UN and every other country on the planet gives a shit (Except North Korea). Ceasefire or not, the sanctions won't be going away until Russia gives the land back to Ukraine.
>>546282686I'll trust 10 Jews before I'll trust a mountain Jew that has all the flaws with none of the benefits.
>>546282827Sanctions were created to put pressure on the civillian population of Russia and are and will be ignored by the western states as necessary.
>>546282827Bro, the Russian Federation isn't coming out of this shit intact. You're talking about post-war sanctions when the state being sanctioned won't exist post-war. They're committing national suicide and have no way to stop the death spiral. Hence the delusional demands.
>>546278524Not understanding they are trying to clear the Ukrainians out for the Jews Israel 2.0…NuPOL is worse than Reddit.
>>546278975Because you lost this war, and losers always pay reparations. That's just the way it is.
>>546282927If there's any country that can function as a de facto autarky it's Russia
>>546283318I didn't hear no bell
>>546283388They can't though. That's why they need sanctions evasion so bad. Russia can't produce electronics or anything high tech. It's too complicated for them, same as having and air force and navy
>>546283318>Because you lost this war, and losers always pay reparations. That's just the way it is.Funny post, D'Artagnan.
>>546278524>I asked claudeGo and neck yourself you retarded mongrel.
>>546283458The Soviets kept pace scientifically and technologically in most areas for most of the Cold War
>>546283621Lol, no. Why would you think that? They had captured Germans who made rockets for them, but they rapidly fell behind from the 1970s onwards. Never got into electronics or computers or high value added manufacturing.
>>546283722Their primary failing was the inefficiency of a centrally planned system in converting scientific breakthroughs into usable [consumer] products. In the areas of research they focused on (particularly hard sciences) they were doing as well if not better than us
>>546283885>In the areas of research they focused on (particularly hard sciences) they were doing as well if not better than usNo kek, not at all. And they don't have that system anymore and are still a shithole, just like they were before communism. Now all their scientists and educated people leave for the west.
>>546278524> EU membership as early as 2027Resistance of current members against will remain insuperable.Corruption in Ukraine doesn't allow this to happen anyway.> 1. A ceasefireThis inevitablý leads to Ukraine rearming and breaking all agreements again.
This>>546284144>This inevitablý leads to Ukraine rearming and breaking all agreements again.You can only use the false surrender strategy once. They already played that card.
>>546280351I admit that I would be disappoint if Russia stopped before they control Odessa. It's a Russian city and belongs in Russian hands.
>>546282177Maps are patient.
>>546278524Yeah, nice fantasy, not gonna lie.
>>546278524thats just russian vodka deliriums, this is what claude responds, frozen conflict with demilitarized zone
>>546284736>NO LEGAL RECOGNITION
>>546284736>Ceasefire on the current line. Both sides pull heavy weapons back about 20 km, shown as the amber strip. The ceasefire also halts strikes on energy infrastructure and Black Sea shipping. Neutral observers, satellites and drones monitor compliance.>No withdrawals, no recognition. Russia keeps de facto control of what it holds, including Crimea. Ukraine keeps Kramatorsk, Sloviansk, Zaporizhzhia city and >Kherson. Ukraine does not recognize the change in law. Both sides pledge not to change borders by force, and final status is left to future talks.>Security guarantees. A binding commitment from the US and a European coalition, ratified by their legislatures. Ukraine keeps a large army with a cap in the 600,000-800,000 range, and no foreign bases sit near the line. Since Moscow rejects European troops on Ukrainian soil, Europe’s role would be air policing, air defense and training in rear areas, kept out of the buffer zone. outlookindia>NATO and the EU. A time-limited NATO moratorium (say 20 years) instead of a permanent ban, plus a defined EU accession roadmap. This gives Moscow something without closing Ukraine’s choices forever.>Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. Run under IAEA supervision, with power shared by an agreed formula.>Sanctions and money. Relief comes in stages tied to verified compliance and snaps back if the ceasefire is broken. Immobilized Russian assets stay frozen and fund reconstruction.>Humanitarian and political. An all-for-all prisoner exchange, returns of deported civilians and children, and Ukrainian elections within roughly 6-9 months. Language and church disputes are handled under Ukrainian law, reviewed by the Council of Europe, rather than by a bilateral clause.
>>546284821>outlookindiawtf , claude uses indian internet newspaper as sources
claude winnings this war of usda and make no mistakes
>>546280475Does Russia even want western Ukraine? Seems like it would be more valuable to them as a buffer state if they could ensure neutrality or even client state status without it actually being part of Russia.
>>546284736if they don't reach the left bank of the dniepr russia truly lost
>>546281841>the only power that had any good will and sympathy for your peopleyou truly are a delusional moron.
>>546285696Said you, who cannot name 10 Serbian cities and who has never read a single book on the Balkans I presume.And yes I know that Russia looks out for itself first and I know that in many periods of our history we've had cold relationship with them, but again, many times (especially the 90s) their foreign policy towards Yugoslavia is manipulated by your posters, especially considering what American/western foreign policy was.I stand by it, they are the only people that actually have any sort of sympathies for us. France back in the day as well I guess but that's a long time ago and it waned because in the end we are orthodox and Slavs, there is not much going on with us and the French apart from long forgotten history.Point is even during 1917-1988 when our relations were pretty cold on state level, we never held hate for each other due to some specific reasons.
>>546285917Btw Russian complete passivity in regards to Yugoslavia at the start of the 90s was directly caused by you baiting them into internationalist liberal capitalism lmao. But that's not the worst thing they did, not by far, they've destroyed their relationship to CIS because of the fact they focused so much on the west.
because of russian's nuclear capabilities, the war cannot end by a normal military defeat. Ukraine is supplied drip by drip so as to avoid a nuclear response. This means that in order for the war to end, either ukraine has to be unwilling to keep defending itself, russia could crash economically, or russia has to be willing to make concessions on its initial goals, which at the moment they haven't made any. The OP peace plan eludes the fact that from the start russia asks for ukraine to give up any defense capabilities in the future, either through an alliance or through a military, which is obviously unnacceptable after such a war.
>>546286616>muh noooookskek
