Why can’t AEW get anyone to watch their show if they have the best wrestling? WWE is dog shit right now why can’t they take advantage of this?
>>20498958Aew gives people the ick
>>20498958why does this matter to you
>>20498958This is what happens when people spend years nitpicking and hyperfocusing on every little wrong thing a company does, deserved or undeserved.AEW is alright. I don't watch it much but it's been just fine when I've tuned in and put aside all the console war crap.
>>20498965fpbpMore than anything else AEW's fans give people the ick too
>>20498965I wonder why…
>>20498958>WWE is dog shit rightAEW is worse thoughbeit. That's why AEW never gains any traction no matter how bad WWE is. It's always worse. Nobody sits there choking down a shit sandwich and thinks "you know what I think I'll give this shit-and-live-wasps sandwich a chance maybe it's better".>AEW is alright. No it isn't.
>>20499325that's a huge part in why it isn't growing (apart from the inconsistent on screen shit)
>>20498958Because the wrestling is secondary in drawing fans to actual characters/gimmicks and entertaining storylines. WWE does not have the latter either but they have the production values and the name recognition. WWE will always be the default wrestling company for most people unless AEW figures the other part out.
>>20498958There's barely any crossover between the AEW and Raw/SD audiences. The crossover is with AEW and NXT as we've known since day 1. But you can't even get most WWE fans to watch NXT let alone another company. And when you factor in how many NXT fans already follow AEW there's not room for a potential growth in existing wrestling fans.The potential casual market for AEW is in urban liberal types who may never have even watched WWE and are put off due to its brand associations, but may otherwise be open to pro wrestling. Which is something we've also known since day 1.
>>20500223That's because the WWE audience is literally, unironically full of NPC drone-like people. There's more WWE and WCW related stars who were/are in AEW than fucking WWE has AND had. Even when Punk came to AEW, the jump in viewership was mainly from Punk marks, not general wrestling fans. The drone stereotype ISN'T a joke, because the audience is comprised of retarded people who grew up on WWE and cling to that nostalgia for some bizarre, absurd reason and that's the only thing that exists to them in their mind. It's like if they treated the NBL as the only baseball league, NBA, NHL, and so on. They're genuinely just pigs who ride off toxic nostalgia and are the same ones who fund the product, while the other smarks/marks who bitch about it and still give money to the company are just a step above but still in that pit. America is not a "wrestling fan" country like literally any other nation. It's a country intoxicated on sensationalism, nostalgia baiting and wanting to feel involved in the stupidest shit just so they feel the GRAZE of feeling important.
>>20500559Failing to consider which different flavors of casual audiences actually exist be tapped into isn't a problem exclusive to discussing big companies like WWE or AEW either. It took TJPW until recently to clue in that tons of fairly normie zoomers in the US/Canada (women especially) are now into Asian idol stuff and go to weeb conventions etc, and there's room to market joshi shit there outside of the realm of smarks and uncles.
>>20498958Mentally ill aew faggots watch WWE religiously. WWE peeps do not watch the tranny rodeo becuase it's both gay and lame.That's all I know.
>>20498958AEW has cultivated a fanbase of cheap faggot supermarks who won't pay for what they insist is quality. It's the worst possible combination to have. The reason a brand like Apple was able to grow was because it's niche fans were willing to play beyond PC/Windows prices for Apple products. AEW fans aren't even willing to pay AEW prices which is why they can barely draw 2500 fans to weekly TV.Has nothing to do with fag whining about e-drones, and growing up with this and that and all the other copes. AEW fans are fucking cheap pieces of shit who see Tony as a money mark, just like the rest of us do, and they don't think he deserves any more money because they know the mark will keep paying up no matter what. He's not cutting roster, he's not letting any star wrestlers go, everything continues 100% the same whether the shows have 12,500 fans or 2,500 fans, so why bother.
>>20500837This is exactly why joshi is starting to boom while the rest of the business is dying a slow death.Asian idol stuff is popular. Wrestling is not. Idol-like characters who who do goofy things and pretend to fight is not too hard for someone who likes, say, anime to wrap their heads around.Joshi has a chance to get closer to the mainstream than traditional wrestling does over the next ten or so years, at least as far as Japan and weebs are concerned.
>>20498958They do better than literally every other company not wwe, what else do people expect? TNA can’t even get 200K viewers & that’s with Carlos crying about other shows competing with them for the night.
>>20500559Kek you're so mad at people for enjoying a thing you don't like. People you've never met have fun watching WWE and this mindbreaks you so badly that your whole existence revolves around seething about them 24/7. Your life is unfathomable levels of grim.
AEW is too cringe
>>20500931and lame
>>20500932And the destination for LGBTIQA+ wrestlers.
>>20500869The thing Joshi does well is punch above their weight by selling merchandise and dedicated subscriptions. Most other wrestling organizations couldn't keep the kind of starpower they do around while drawing 300 fans to shows, traveling/doing 3-4 shows per week etc. TNA has a national TV deal, the TNA+ service and they still aren't live every week, they tape a block of shows every 3 weeks. Not shitting on them, just saying, it's very very expensive to do what they do without the same amount of peripheral sales that Joshi organizations are able to drum up.Blame the capitalist in me but I'd love to see some Joshi consolidation, not of the top 3-4 promotions, but in the 5-10 range. Some of these places running twice a month for 150 fans, just feels like the whole scene would be better with Stardom or TJPW running 1 more show a week. But I'll leave that to the experts to discuss, I don't really follow Japan.
>>20498958Because Tony is a shit Booker who cannot pivot and the EVPs have successfully neutered every chance of growth and new fans because they don't wanna be exposed for the big fish in a small pond they are. They are allergic to talent that can draw and would rather the show be focused on some 5'10 skinny fat white manlet who praises them and Tony at every opportunity. Think about how everyone on casual subs and pages were reposting the Brodie King clip. And what does Tony do? He jobs him out on the next ppv and we haven't seen him since. Ffs it took him 9.5 months to make CM Punk world champion after his grand return.
>>20498958Because Tony couldn't run a bath.
>>20498958Because the people, are retarded. The best things rarely have the best sales numbers. Why do you think "cult classics" become the most popular years down the line?. they're not the big budget summer blockbusters, those are discarded and forgotten.
>>20500920>Kek you're mad at people for enjoying GLUKGLUKGLUKGLUKWe know you suck dick lil bro, no need to make it obvious.
>>20500984this argument would work if AEW's roster was constructed top to bottom with indy unknowns, Uhaa Nation-level jobbers being pushed as main eventers etcIt doesn't work when AEW's talent costs are higher than WWE, loaded with ex-WWE main eventers, and they're still failing
>>20501030You're so mad and gay holy shit lmao
>>20500984>Why do you think "cult classics" become the most popular years down the line?. they're not the big budget summer blockbusters, those are discarded and forgotten.What kind of delusional schizo hipster fantasy world do you live in? This is literally the opposite of reality. In reality everybody remembers the summer blockbusters and the cult classic are discarded and forgotten by all but a few devotees. That's why they're called cult classics. Retard.
>>20501357you're right about that. But I think they still get away with more interesting things at the current time.
>>20501030>We know you suck dick lil bro, no need to make it obvious.
>>20498958non-console war reason, it isn't a tv show. the things that make a tv show work, like plots, character development, bit players getting expanded roles to keep stories fresh etc, are afterthoughts in aew. there isn't an untapped market of wrestling fans left to attract. they have to get non-wrestling fans to watch. anytime aew tries that, sickos complain its turning into wwe & it gets dropped. max rapping, the chicken farm, blue steak, outrunners music video, miro and billy mitchell, dan lambert. all the silly stuff isn't for edrones or aewtists, it to get someone flipping thru channels to stop for a few minutes. a 5 star classic match doesn't do that.
>>20498958no stars, no draws, no attractions.
>>20501581One of the best posts I've seen here in months, well stated
>>20501030>an aew fan immediately thinking of sucking cock without being promptedMust be a day ending in Y
>>20499355That has nothing to do with AEW as a thing, you know that.
>>20500859I remember watching a video recording from a fans perspective on his phone at an AEW show after it ended. Tony Khan was thanking everyone for coming and said he hopes people continue coming. Multiple fat smarks start yelling “give me free tickets and I’ll go”. Cheap fucks
>>20501394>>20501495>>20501615>no argumentI accept your concessions. Typical of drones to never have anything meaningful to respond with lol
The kind of people that are still watching WWE are not going to aew. They would rather die than watch anything that is in a WWE owned show. AEW isn't going to attract a big net audience because that's not how it works. They're not DC to WWE's Marvel
>>20498958At least Ned's trying! What are you doing to help?
>>20501030>>20500559Pedrones seething to this
>>20498958I am watching their show though
>>20501030Nuked that swine
>>20500869>why joshi is starting to bloom How's Marigold, Stardom and the others doing? Still barely able to fill half a stadium?
>>20503468Stardom is literaly the second biggest wrestling company in Japan and the fastest growing. And other joshi companies are growing as well.Try to come armed with facts the next time you want to make someone look bad, ace.
>>20498965This, they have gone to great lengths to alienate the majority of the wrestling audience while placating to the vocal minority. A lot of people don't realize this, but wrestling primarily watched by old people in retirement communities or old folks facilities who don't actually go to events or spend money on merchandise.
>>20498958Here’s the truth about AEW, it’s not actually good, it’s trash. Picture the worst episode of NXT you’ve ever watched, multiply by three times, and that’s what AEW is. AEW is bottom of the barrel trash for retarded hipsters who think being a contrarian is the same as having taste
>Why can't AEW grow an audienceAEW is for people who think NXT black and gold was the best thing ever. AEW is for people who think Atom Smoll should have been a world champion.
>>20503588>>20503583Which is why most of their top talents leave and come to the west right? lol
>>20503631We're not talking about talent. Nor are we talking about "best wrestling in the world."We're talking about company size and growth. Stardom is the second biggest wrestling company in Japan, as well as the fastest growing. That is a fact. You can ask your favorite AI and it will confirm that fact for you. Marigold and TJPW are also fast growing in ways that other companies are not at the moment.It has nothing to do with wrestling quality. It's the business model. Idol is more mainstream than pro-wrestling in Japan at the moment - again, another easily verified fact.So, respectfully, your question isn't entirely relevant. But it's also based on an incorrect assumption - the top joshi talents haven't left Japan.
>>20503712Growing so fast they keep booking massive arenas that are apparently so sold out, all of the crowd just happens to be on one side save for some stragglers apparently lol
>>20503795Growth is growth. Attendance numbers are going up. Stardom outperformed WWE in Ryogoku Hall last year. Again, verifiable fact.Don't worry, no one is claiming it's going to replace your favorite American fed on the biggest scheme of things. Still, I have to ask - why is what I'm saying such an "I have to shut this guy down" thing for you? No one is saying it's great wrestling or wrestling you should be watching - it's growing in popularity because it's an idol-anime-wrestling hybrid and we're talking about Japan where those first two are big parts of the culture there in a way they aren't outside of Japan.Again, ask your favorite AI if you think I'm talking out of my ass here.
>>20503886Whatever helps you cope at night lil bro.
>>20504085Ah, so you're just trolling then.Got ya.
>>20504224Nope.
>>20503886Nobody believes your weird headcanon. Modern joshis are ugly as fuck and horrible at wrestling which is why the popularity of joshi promotions utterly imploded. Now it's nothing but fetish bait for the lowest of the low incel simps who don't even have enough dignity and self-respect to simp for attractive women.
>>20506029k, then explain why it's the fastest growing wrestling company in Japan and the second biggest.
>>20498958>if they have the best wrestlingSee, there's the issue right there.
>>20506029https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1t4dle3/ticket_sales_of_japanese_promotions_in_april_2026/
>>20506165>>20506047Peanuts
>>20507624But enough about your favorite comic strip
That's because wrestling is fucking dimeless dogshit. There's a reason why WWE is not wrestling yet draws the most out of all the companies.
The wrestling fans already watch. WWE cultists don't care about wrestling.
>>20500945Is complicated, TJPW becoming a massive show with everyone will draw the dimes for sure but it will lose their soulsTheir system works because they take the time to develop talent at a very stable pace
>>20498958stories are more important than moves, the last time I heard a normie talking about AEW is when they were doing the devil storyline
>>20500559>There's more WWE and WCW related stars who were/are in AEW than fucking WWEUnc, no one gives a shit about those boomers anymore. It's been 30 years, it's time to move on from that shit.
>>20509096AEW has more stories than they did back then thoughare they good? not really, but the shows aren't 2 hours of nonstop canadian destroyers
>>20498958Because every time I do try to give AEW a chance it's 60 minutes of the "Don Callis Family" or that tag-team that looks gay bar tops and 100 rapidly-occurring 2 counts, all narrated by Tony whatever his name is who sounds like a pedo. Crowd also is like 50 inbred dopes and the only question remaining is why HBO is airing this dog and pony show.
>>20498958Stephen King's Joyland offers a perfect answer for this. AEW has no idea how carny world works.They will look at another succesful promotion and analyse what their talent looks like, where their venues are, how their shows are arranged what their stage lightning is like... and they still don't understand what they are supposed to do. They are there to sell FUN, not a facisimile of what professional wrestling scene was like 10-15 years before the current day.
>>20506047It isn't. You're making it all up.
>>20498958I have a better question, why do you care?
>>20509191Kek, if ya say so.
>>20509107>no one gives a shit about those boomers>most wwe related posts on social media are explicitly about memberberrying those "boomers", a majority of which are active in other promotionsOkay.
>>20509639oh NO NO NO
>>20509022I agree with your point.One of the biggest differences between modern joshi companies and other wrestling companies is that they are more of a system and the roster operates as a performance team rather than as individuals looking out for themselves.Just to be clear, I'm not saying that's better or worse. I think WWE has moved to a similar model. But the point is they practice together, have matches multiple times a week together, practically live together, and understand they're part of a show rather than trying to be the show themselves, if that makes sense. They usually join the system as rookies, work their ways up, and will likely retire in the system that formed them. They know each other's strengths and weaknesses and work towards that without exploiting it because, again, it's a team mentality - almost like an idol group. Too much consolidation and that gets watered down.Again, not saying that's better than the traditional model, where wrestlers usually looked out for themselves at the expense of others. That traditionally produced the best wrestling. But a company like TJPW would lose a lot of its charm.
>>20498958dog shit's better than pig shit
because aew fucking sucks and its fanbase is full of deluded retards. just look at this thread full of coping trannies
because wwe fucking sucks and stole the deluded retards aew can milk. just look at this thread and every edrone thread full of coping tranny paypigs
>>20509639This proves nothing. What's the source? The voices in your head?
>>20498958it's the face humping
Both shows are for people that want to bitch about the other. Nobody genuinely enjoys WWE or AEW.
>>20512401That's not an argument.
WWE fans are not wrestling fans
>>20498965Phoenix Marie loves AEW
>>20513849I don't even think they're people either personally
>>20513849>>20514704Aren't you a crippled ped?
>>20498958They divided the number of people that would watch when they chose to get political with trannies and gays and stuff. Its just a fact
>>20500559>It's like if they treated the NBL as the only baseball league, NBA, NHL, and so on.literally everyone does that
>>20514828Nah, that's unironically (You)
>>20500559WWE lives off of its past. All the legends of the 80s,90s and the few of the 2000s make WWE what it is. The dumbest thing they can do is to make new titles and thus delete the historical lineage or cancel legends like Hogan and Stone Cold for saying mean stuff about Africans. WWE lost more than 2/3 of the old fans. Right now you have hardcore fans who are attached to the brand because of the old legends(plus third worlders). The hardcore fans want back the same authenticity wrestling had back then but it will probably never happen. Even AEW is more authentic but it is a product of its shitty time with all the fags and africans getting a push. At least the WCW/WWF channels still exist.
>>20498958too much gay and tranny shit gives me the ICK
>>20515013>no uAfraid not Pedohouse, that's all you. Especially the part where your legs don't work and you're a chomo.
>>20515048Now say that without staring the mirror, ya fat Irish cripple.
>>20515060>staring the mirrorGoddammit, GMS'd myself, I concede your victory this round buddy.'Til we meet again...
Because the majority of WWE fans don't like wrestling, they like WWE. It isn't about enjoyment to them it's about winning and feeling justified in their decision to support WWE. They will sit through a product they complain about every other week and never give AEW a chance because they're competition.WWE's audience has always been like this. They hated TNA and they hated WCW because WWE told them they were the bad guys. WWE used to air skits during PPVs with a fake Ted Turner where they convinced fans WCW was evil. WWE is a brand and their fans are loyal to the brand. There's nothing any other company can do to convince them to tune in. Even if WWE closed its doors tomorrow and 80% of the roster went to AEW there would be A LOT of people who wouldn't watch because it wasn't WWE.
>>20498958Because the one wrestling everyone knows (WWE) is gay as fuck and no one is going to look at other, smaller promotions when the one name they do know sucks.
>>20516513That's no way to talk about yourself
>>20517863>No uYeah he's bubblin alright
>>20515119nailed it
>>20518646You maldin'
>>20515119WWE fans enjoy WWE because it provides the best pro wrestling. I'm sorry this breaks your brain.
>>20518668I don't accept your concession
>>20516513Qrd?
