According to the GWE (No order has been posted>Bret Hart>Bryan Danielson>Genichiro Tenryu>Kenta Kobashi>Mitsuharu Misawa>Rey Mysterio Jr>Ric Flair>Stan Hansen>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin>Terry FunkHow do you feel about these 10 individuals?
agree with hart, flair, austin, and funk. i've never played any of those nintendos though.
>>20564618>no Hogan or Inoki
>>20564621This is a (You) problem. You don't have to be ignorant, you have the entirely of the world's knowledge at your fingertips.
>>20564625post your top 10 inoki matches from before 1980
>>20564618Assuming this is just a purist in-ring only ranking?>>Bret HartBased>>Bryan DanielsonCringe>>Genichiro TenryuBased>>Kenta KobashiBased>>Mitsuharu MisawaBased>>Rey Mysterio JrBased>>Ric FlairBased>>Stan Hansen>>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin>>Terry FunkSupremely based on all three
>>20564629instead i'm going to use my fingertips to call you a rude wordbitch
>>20564618So very Meltzer followers of them
>>20564618My personal rankings:1. Terry Funk2. Bryan Danielson3. Genichiro Tenryu4. Steve Austin5. Kenta Kobashi6. Stan Hansen7. Ric Flair8. Rey Mysterio9. Bret Hart10. Misawa
>>20564618Pretty shit list outside of Austin and Flair
>>20564618Smarks are the absolute worst
>>20564618how the fuck did rey finagle his way in the top 10
>>20564618Honestly not bad considering the torrential downpour of pigslop from the biz the past decade
Andre Hogan RockAustin Bruno Hart Flair CenaMysterioVince McMahon
YOU CAN NOW ONLY REPLY TO THIS THREAD FOR YOUR PERSONAL GOAT IS TOP TEN
>>20564799Fuck you, retard.
>>20564798>The winner of the prestigious "Greatest E-Drone Ever" Award
It’s not a bad list. But I would need to hear the reasoning for Tenryu and Danielson and even Rey. Lawler and Liger seem like they would have a much stronger case for top 10.
>>20564618Which one doesn't belong?For me? It's gotta be Stan Hansen. He couldn't hang with the big boys in America and fled to toss tiny chinamen around >Ooooooo. He toss Abu Zeno vely fal oooooooooo
>>20564849>Tenryu21 years of being one of the best workers in the world?
>>20564874He went to Japan because Japan in the 80s and up to a point in the 90s paid more than working in America for most, and he had an established spot. He was a popular territory wrestler with the WWWF, AWA etc and even in the 90s was going to get a big push in WCW but left due to the bullshit that was going on.Why is it that most posters on /pw/ are retards that don’t know anything about wrestling?
>>20564799My criteria is simply wrestlers whose body of work has a lot of matches and moments I would rewatch, and would highly recommend to others. I only got six that I don’t even have to think about. Flair, funk, Lawler, Onita, misawa, Kobashi, The other four who knows, Chigusa, Jumbo and Hogan have strong cases. And cause I can’t think of a fourth I guess you can just call it my top 9.
>>205648775 years of having good matches with Jumbo. And then a back to back failed promotions
Here's the list so far (100-80) [2016 ranking in bracket]>100. Chris Hero [104]>99. Tully Blanchard [44]>98. Daisuke Ikeda [100]>97. Barry Windham [25]>96. Shinobu Kandori [146]>95. Eddie Kingston [311]>94. Claudio Castagnoli [87]>93. Necro Butcher [159] >92. Mayumi Ozaki [133]>91. Shinsuke Nakamura [94]>90. El Dandy [35]>89. Roderick Strong [236]>88. Bruno Sammartino [139] >87. Ricky Morton [33]>86. Tetsuya Naito [390]>85. ̶C̶h̶r̶i̶s̶ ̶B̶e̶n̶o̶i̶t̶ STEVEN RICHARDS [34]>84. Dustin Rhodes [32]>83. Minoru Suzuki [128]>82. Sabu [149]>81. Kevin Owens [177]
>>20564618All these smarks always suck off Danielson so much and I don't personally hate the guy but he's just a worse Bret Hart and Bret is NOT one of the best of all time.
>>20564918>80. Jay Briscoe [196]>79. Jaguar Yokota [114]>78. Bobby Eaton [28]>77. Brock Lesnar [47]>76. Yoshihiro Takayama [123]>75. Will Opsreay [557]>74. Giant Baba [63]>73. William Regal [21]>72. Mercedes Mone [238]>71. KENTA [119]>70. Riki Choshu [41]>69. Kota Ibushi [206]>68. Yuki Ishikawa [70]>67. Tomohiro Ishii [209]>66. Asuka [245]>65. IYO SKY [365]>64. Mistico [433]>63. Dusty Rhodes [92]>62. Keiji Muto [66]>61. Hulk Hogan [75]
>>20564921>60. Arn Anderson [19]>59. Gunther [--]>58. The Rock [101]>57. Sami Zayn [88]>56. Devil Masami [135]>55. Kurt Angle [68]>54. Kiyoshi Tamura [62]>53. Katsuyori Shibata [285]>52. El Satanico [37]>51. Dump Matsumoto [288]>50. Atsushi Onita [89]>49. Volk Han [60]>48. Sting [113]>47. Blue Panther [69]>46. Yoshiaki Fujiwara [40]>45. Meiko Satomura [130]>44. Andre the Giant [51]>43. Roddy Piper [83]>42. Tatsumi Fujinami [20]>41. Manami Toyota [85]
>>20564924>40. LA Park [96]>39. Jon Moxley [275]>38. Jun Akiyama [27]>37. Shawn Michaels [31]>36. Antonio Inoki [132]>35. Akira Taue [26]>34. Nick Bockwinkel [16]>33. John Cena [30]>32. Chigusa Nagayo [110]>31. Bull Nakano [61]>30. Negro Casas [22]>29. Kenny Omega [259]>28. Jerry Lawler [10]>27. Kazuchika Okada [137]>26. Shinya Hashimoto [23]>25. Jushin Liger [6]>24. Ricky Steamboat [15]>23. CM Punk [46]>22. El Hijo Del Santo [29]>21. Randy Savage [1
>>20564916He had plenty of amazing matches with others in AJPW and not to mention in NJPW, SWS, WAR and even in FMW and NOAH.
>>20564925>20. Samoa Joe [59]>19. Jumbo Tsuruta [11]>18. AJ Styles [39]>17. Mick Foley [38]>16. Akira Hokuto [52]>15. Vader [14]>14. Toshiaki Kawada [9]>13. Hiroshi Tanahashi [86]>12. Eddy Guerrero [12]>11. Aja Kong [49]10-1>Bret Hart [17]>Bryan Danielson [5]>Genichiro Tenryu [13]>Kenta Kobashi [8]>Mitsuharu Misawa [4]>Rey Mysterio Jr [7]>Ric Flair [1]>Stan Hansen [3]>Steve Austin [24]>Terry Funk [2]
>>20564918>Eddie Kingston
>>20564618yeah sounds about right
>>20564921>hogan above ospreayMaybe there's hope
>>20564942fun trends in this. My favorite is the rise of deathmatch wrestlers like Ozaki, Necro, Sabu, Moxley, and Foley
a top 10 without lawler is fundamentally unserious
>>20564636Inoki vs Dory Funk Jr 1969Inoki vs Jack Brisco 1971Inoki & Sakaguchi vs Karl Gotch & Lou Thesz 1973Inoki vs Strong Kobayashi 1974Inoki vs Kintaro Oki 1974Inoki vs Bill Robinson 1975Inoki vs Andre The Giant (1976, not the one in Sao Paulo)Inoki vs Sakaguchi 1978Inoki vs Bob Backlund 1978Inoki vs Bob Backlund 1979
>>20564639Kevin Nash was raped btw
Nothing against Tenryu and Bryan Danielson, but they aren't top 10 wrestlers ever. They both have their fair share of great matches, but they aren't better than Benoit, Liger or even Tanahashi.
>>20565035Tenryu is easily better than all of those
>>20564618Flair and Austin are the only two i agree withMost people dont even know who Stan Hanson is, he was more of a star in JapanBret and Terry Funk top 20 or 30 maybeof all Japanese wrestlers not having Inoki is retarded No one else on that list even deserves to be even in the top 20 some not even top 50.
>>20565035Chris Benoit is genuinely the most overrated wrestler to ever live
>>20564618No lies detected.
>>20565062Even your retarded idols like Meltzer say he is a top 5 wrestler ever.
>No Rob Van Dam, Kanyon, Saturn, or MalenkoUnserious list
>>20565071No they don't, and no he's not.
Here's Cage matches top 10 for comparison. The vote # dicrepencies always crack me up.
>>20564937Judge him by his work in Chikara and CzW.
>>20564618replace "king of smarks" daniel bryanson, rey mystery, and the japs with Lawler, Vader, Inoki, Dusty, and Andre and this list would be accurate
My own list in no order Bret HartTetsuya Naito Hulk Hogan Randy Savage Raven Ric Flair The Steiner Brothers (exclusively as a tag team)CM Punk (yeah, sorry)Chris Jericho Mitsuharu Misawa
>>2056487721 years of being a fucking literal who
>>20565179You really like touting your lack of knowledge, don't you?
>>20565179One of the most consistent main eventers in Japan, maybe try and watch wrestling outside of your WWE slop, lil bro.
>>20565134I'm judging him because he's a fat, lazy shitter that thinks he's a tough boy from NEW YAWK when in reality he's a zesty fag
Mad, at objectively the 95th greatest dressler of all time?
>dressler
>>20565193>>20565196Nah. Japslop isn't over with anyone.
kek stupid grimmas botched the whole thing lmao
>>20565236>says this when the entire style of american wrestling is now just a cheap copy of 90s japanese wrestling
>>20565277Good thing we turned it into dimes so no one has to watch that shit unless they're a dumbass smark, huh?
putting daniel bryan as your top wrestler ever is like putting imagine dragons or maroon 5 as the best band ever. of course bryan is these geeks self-insert wrestler so i shouldn't be surprised
>>20565284It do be like that
>>20565284Maybe on the indies, in WWE he fully embraced the traditional underdog role. Complete with hulking up.
>>20564618bryan should be #10 if he has to be in here at all but he clearly does not belong in such company
>>20565282>dimes>wrestling is less popular than everkek, dumb wwepigs are so insecure
>>20565284His astroturfing really killed wrestling as a actual entertaining show, it now became boring ass fuck Broadway show
>>20565290and terry funk should be #9. the rest are fine in any order
>>20565294>less popular than everMaybe in AEW, you dumb fucking tranny. No one cares about Suzuki Toyota wrestling in front of no one in the Dreamcast Dome.
>>20565134>if you want to see his good stuff, go watch czwgrim
>>20565282I really don't understand this mentality? You're a wrestling fan but don't want to experience other wrestling? 95% of this board is just pornography addicts and losers wanting to just reminisce about the 5 years of wrestling they watched when they were 6.
>>20565312You're getting worked
>>20565308Ah so you are a WWEpig kek, and no sorry, but look at rating charts, if you can read, pig.
you can take out Bryan and replace him with virtually anyone even Nash.but realistically it should be Toshiaki Kawada. motherfuck these people forever for ranking Kawada below Tanahashi that's the most retarded thing I've ever seen in my life
>>20565324No one cares about any of this shit, tranny. Get a clue.
the only ones that deserve to be there are bryan, misawa, and kobashi.
>>20565236>I choose to be ignorant not because it is easy, but because I have an IQ of 40
well. looking at the bright side, at least there's no womeme
Whenever it comes to ranking wrestlers who debuted after 1990 my critera is "we're they better than Manny Fernandez" and the answer is usually no. Guys just don't know how to work anymore, and most of them aren't as good as a medocre "good hand" from the 80s.
>>20565352ahahahah you like daniel bryanson
>>20565297We're not talking about Shawn Michaels. I'm not sure how you thought we were if I'm being honest.
How the fuck is Samoa Joe at 20? That nigga hasnt done anything good since 2008
>>20565352you listed the worst three there. Kawada is the greatest Pillar followed by Akira Taue
>>20565363His 03-07 is that strong.
no wrestler who debuted after 2000 should be in the top 100.
>>20565354Sounds like you're upset
>>20565361nah Bryan is the guy who killed wrestling and they'll probably reward him by putting him at the top of the list.
>>20565366taue was nothing if he wasn't being carried by the GOATs lmfaothis is low effort trolling that only works on the ignant
>>20565383nah put some respect on Taue, bitch
you just watch they're gonna put that little rodent bastard bryan at #1 or 2 lmao. the whole list is invalidated by putting him even in the top 10
TanahashiBryanOspreayKobashiMisawaOkadaIshiiKenny5 minutes of thinking over my own list, I can't come up with anyone else that deserves the other spots so I'll just go with 8. Criteria: who consistently has the most entertaining matches
>>20565415Btw I don't like beaner wrestling unless they're touring Japan so no Blue Panther or other legends. I ain't watching them.
In no world should Hogan be out of the top 10. It is flat out ridiculous to put people like Moxley, Cena, Okada, Sting, Arn, Samoa Joe etc. above him. Literal blasphemy.
What did Kawada do to piss people off?
>>20565436Arn's fucking based tho and deserves to be way higher too
>>20565440i think compared to misawa and kobashi he has less broad appeal, as misawa is the ace and kobashi is the handsome, big hearted jock.
>>20565445Arn is awesome, but he's not above Hogan.
>>20565436Why? The criteria was about in-ring performance.
>>20565456Cena and Moxley are not better in-ring workers than Hogan was.
>>20565471In your opinion
>>20565478That's all we got
>>20565456Every single time Hogan got in the ring, the entire arena lost its fucking mind. It doesn't matter if he did a single punch or a springboard cartwheel canadian destroyer. Just because your fags are more ATHLETIC does not mean they are better IN-RING
How can you be considered a great worker if you died in the ring like a retard because you do dangerous bumps all the time? Isn't the point of professional wrestling minimizing injury to you and your opponent while making shit look good?
>>20565483>the entire arena lost its fucking mind. Why is your opinion based on what other people think?
>>20565503You have never watched a Hogan match
>>20564618>>Bret HartAgree.>>Bryan DanielsonMidget.>>Genichiro TenryuGook.>>Kenta KobashiGook.>>Mitsuharu MisawaGook.>>Rey Mysterio JrAgree.>>Ric FlairAgree.>>Stan HansenAgree.>>"Stone Cold" Steve AustinAgree.>>Terry FunkNot top 10 but agree.
>>20565513But I have, and I like him as a wrestler, but why are you justifying his ability based on the praise of others? Why not write a cogent argument about what Hogan did well in the ring based on criteria that you personally enjoy? Do you justify other media such as films or music by fan reactions?
>>20565483Not only do you fundamentally misunderstand what this list is about, you also just described pretty much everybody in the top 25
>>20565456It wasn't only in-ring perofrmance.
>>20565539Give me the project that has voters spending an entire decade watching wrestling matches of hundreds of wrestlers was it about the wrestling matches and how the wrestlers work in them?
>>20564618Can someone explain it to me why?>Bryan Danielson
moxley and cena aren't even good wrestlers, there's no argument for them at all. drawing doesn't matter for this or Hogan is automatic number 1.it's purely in-ring. even so they still underrated Hogan substantially and put numerous inferior wrestlers ahead of him which just exposes their ignorance.
>>20565557He's one of the 10 best wrestlers of all time
>>20565582If drawing was the metric, then the top 20 would be all new japan and all japan women. Hogan is small potatoes compared to how big the 80-1998 era in japan.
>>20565584I just really don't see it at all with him and never did.
>>20565593Japan stars including Rikidozan, who is conspicuous by his absence here for some dumb reason even tho he's a great wrestler, are big in Japan. that's great but that's not the world. they weren't big anywhere else. Hogan was big in Japan. Hogan was big everywhere. Hogan was big in every country in the world. His popularity is worldwide. why do you insist Japan is larger than Earth? it's not.
>>20565582>drawing doesn't matter for this or Hogan is automatic number 1.that'd be jim londos
>>20565614Rikidozan*
>>20565582>moxley and cena aren't even good wrestlers, there's no argument for them at all. Clearly there is, hence why they were voted for in greater numbers and were higher ranked than others.
>>20565613He, like El Santo weren't allowed on the ballot for a lack of surviving footage. Again, the exercise was about watching thousands of matches over a decade
>>20565620rikidozan had great tv ratings but he never drew the gates that londos did (35k during the great depression
>>20565628I stand corrected he was 235th
>>20565614yeah it was Jim Londos for many years for sure. and he should be on from an in-ring standpoint as well. limited footage but he was great. However... Hogan has surpassed him in terms of recognition as a mainstream icon. Londos was big (the biggest ever at the time) in his time and slightly after his time only. Hogan has been a big name and a big star for over 45 years. that's almost half a century. when Hogan first got popular, Londos was already long-forgotten by almost everyone.
>>20564921>61. Hulk Hogan [75]>61
good news everyone, Hogan is not #61, he is in fact #60 so he at least cracks the top 60 now. there was an error and they fixed it.
Hogan was a huge national star, but he really wasn't the global star we want to pretend he is. Rock and Cena were much bigger global Stars than Hogan. Similarly with the myth that wrestling grew with hogan. The WWF grew, but wrestling shrunk as a whole. Too many of us grew up under the control of the WWE propaganda machine sadly
think about the fact that Hogan's last big match was 20 years ago and he's still the word association name with the general public if you say wrestling or pro wrestling. jim londos was never that with the general public if we're really being honest.
>>20565642you're confusing drawing power with mainstream acknowledgement.londos has never been eclipsed by hogan because londos was a mega draw for decades, whereas hogan was probably an anti draw for as many years as he was a draw.there are plenty of people, who in their day were icons that have been forgotten for a variety of reasons, whereas there were others who were more anonymous and now are more famous.
pre-Hogan, ask a person on the street in the US to name a wrestler they'd probably say Gorgeous George or Haystacks Calhoun. Londos would not be mentioned. dozens of names would be said before him.
>>20565557Cena carried him a couple of times and no one wants to admit it.
>>20565659londos was world champion when wrestling was probably at its most popular and respected in the 30s, when if you were the world heavyweight champion you were most likely the most popular and best paid athlete in america.londos is not remembered by the casuals for a variety of reasons - lack of footage primarily and wwe, the big titan, making sure to promote their own version of history and minimise others.
>>20565665Hogan wasn't really an anti-draw anywhere. Londos did a handful of big cards in Greece. he didn't have Hogan's longevity worldwide
>>20565383Taue got a career best performance out of Nagata and it was in like 2006.
>>20565673care to show any proof of this? besides your own bullshit reasoning?
>>20565052>Most people dont even know who Stan Hanson isHansen broke Bruno's neck and later wrestled him at Shea Stadium in front of over 30,000 fans, and wrestled him in a cage at MSG, as well as champ Bob Backlund. Hansen was AWA champ on ESPN. Hansen was WCW US champ on TBS.
>>20565678Lewis was the better wrestler and the respected champion of that era and was far more fondly remembered than Londos
>>20565683>Hogan wasn't really an anti-draw anywhere. yes he was, he drew poorly towards the end of his wwf run and for a good part of his early wcw run, and then being poison with his politicking and the nwo angle wearing off.then he had a big boost with the rock match, but that dwindled.london was a massive draw in america and europe, and has far greater longevity from the late 20s to maybe the 50s.
>>20565694lewis was considered a better wrestler because he was a legit shooter, which is what other shooters in the business valued most. doesn't make him an actual better wrestler, and the bronco match (another guy said to be a bad wrestler because he wasn't a shooter) is 5 stars.>was far more fondly remembered than Londosbased on what? your own asslondos is the biggest draw in at least us wrestling.
>>20565700weak draw is not anti-draw. anti-draw means actively turning people away. I see no sign of that in Hogan's active career. and we're not counting TNA when he was semi-retired and immobile.
>>20565706if you're a poor draw, and business drops, then people are tired of you and turn away, and that happened in all of those scenarios, hence why gates and ratings went down.
There's still no evidence that Hogan was a world wide draw. But there is evidence that Bret Hart was a bigger worldwide draw than Hogan.
any list that has a bunch of foreigners or pre 80s guys on it is automatically invalidated and worthless.>I watched 8 pre selected matches from Akitoshio Harukguwa and El Phantasmo Phoenix I've been told are amazing, this is clearly one of the 20 greatest wrestlers of all time
>>20565440Misawa was the top guy, he got more opportunities to put on bangers. Kobashi despite being built like a refrigerator sells his ass off. Garnering sympathy is one of the best weapons in a pro wrestler’s arsenal. Taue I feel like people are just making up for lost time. Great at pacing and the fundamentals. If you sent someone $20s in 90s money and waited months for a tape to arrive, he fails to stand out. But in age where all the matches are a click away, the stiffness and insane moves from the other pillars are less novel. And they all had career resurgences in NOAH, where as Kawada had some OK matches with New Japan guys and then did karaoke in HUSTLE for the rest of his career.
>>20565724there should be more guys from before the 80s than after the 80s
>>20565724None of the names you listed made the top 800
>>20565724any list that doesn't have a bunch of foreigners and pre 80s guys is for faggots.
>>20565730Surviving and available footage my dude. I have no doubt wrestling from the 70s and before is great cause I’ve seen how bad it’s gotten every decade since the 80s. But outside of Japan there isn’t much footage.
Ed "Strangler" Lewis was never legitimately defeated in a wrestling match from 1914 through 1940. On September 20, 1934, Lewis wrestled Jim Londos in front of an audience of 35,275 at Wrigley Field, and drawing a record gate of $96,302, which would stand until 1952.Best wrestler, best shooter, best champion, biggest draw, most legitimate. Put wrestling on the map. Literally invented the modern form of pro wrestling.
where did dynamite kid, tommy rogers & benoit rank?
>>20565777and yet londos regularly drew crowds nearing that size throughout the 30s before, such as vs steele at yankee stadium in 31 (approx 40k) and even a month after vs mad mountain dean (approx 38k). or how about all the 20k msg sell outs.there's no denying lewis was the big draw in the 20s, but londos has surpassed him by far in 30, let alone 34
>>20564618woke
>>20565827also lewis lost to londos in the match in 34, not to mention the others like browning or sonnenburg maybe you should use a better ai to come up with facts for you.
>>20565777>zero muscle>saggy tits>weak knees>I'm supposed to believe this faggot is undefeated and is to be taken seriouslyKek, even Jungle Boy looks like prime Macho Man next to this guy
>>20565837not ai, idiot. learn to read. i wrote legitimately. discover what that word means before replying next time.
>>20565862you do realise that pro wrestling is a work right?
Londos only beat Lewis in worked matches, period. in any list of shoot wrestlers, Lewis is #1
>>20565885>Londos only beat Lewis in worked matches, period.yeah pro wrestling matches, which is what this board is about.
>>20565874Lewis was the last legitimate wrestler. all i'm saying is the list should reflect the origins of wrestling and it really doesn't.it was Lewis who added bumps, slams and suplexes to wrestling in the first place, there's no one more influential. where is he on the list? it's a joke. come on.
>>20565905Because the list is about in-ring ability, and you need evidence of that, and as far as I'm aware, there's like 10 minutes total of his matches, spread amongst newsreels.
>>20565895>yeah pro wrestling matches, which is what this board is about.that must be why George Hackenschmidt is not ranked at all. Hackenschmidt was the only professional wrestling champion who is not known to have taken part in fixed matches.
>>20565924No, he's not ranked because he has no matches available to watch.
>>20565931actually we do now finally have footage of a match of his. just one though, I know that's not enough. still better than nothing. still no footage of Frank Gotch tho
No Manami Toyota?No Bull Nakano?No Akira Hokuto?No Aja Kong?No Chigusa Nagayo?No Jaguar Yokota?No Megumi Kudo?No Meiko Satomura?No Mayu Iwatani?No Sareee?No Tam Nakano?Shit list
>>20566045death to joshipedos
I'm surprised stone cold made the top 10 for smark retards. Hell yeah dude.
poor Eduardo. does the good workrate style the internet loves... just be to be on the outside looking in at the top 10. maybe he should've cried more and pandered to the online dweebs like Tranielson
>>20564897I just go against what Dave says. Sorry you need him to think for you. Plus, Stan is very overrated, same with Bruiser Brody
Justice for Jumbo! list is bullshit. do a recount using only ballots with Jumbo
Bryan haters need to gain taste ASAP
>>20564618>>20564618Jon Moxley is a better version of Funk in every way possible.Stan Hansen never did anything memorable but his lariats. He's JBL with no charisma.I have no idea who Tenryu is and refuse to believe he's better than Okada or Omega or Ospreay.Austin's only great match was with Bret, otherwise he doesn't belong on here more than Cena or Hogan or Roman. His work was shit after he broke his neck.Rest of the list is ok.
Let me tell you a trickIf a list has no Mil Mascaras, is a bad one
>>20566115>>20566196this is either dave meltzer or someone larping as him. didn't know anyone else could be that dumb
You think that’s bad there’s people who think Okada is a better professional wrestler than Lawler
>>20566241Okada is a million times better than Lawler. You're like the Boomer NBA fans who rank Jerry West over Steph Curry just because they grew up being told the old guys were always better than modern stars.
>>20566241The only list Jerry Lawler belongs on is a national sex offender list
>>20564799My GOATs, Volk Han and Chigusa Nagayo, are better than pleb-fodder in the top 10.
>>20565557Because it is an aggregate list and the chances of a smark who started watching wrestling during the 2000s or 2010s putting Bryan Danielson on their list, closer to the top 10 than the bottom 10, is extremely likely. Practically his entire career is on tape and most of the voters have followed him since they became interested in watching wrestling other than exclusively WWE/TNA/AEW since he's been hailed as the de-facto "best in the world" in most online circles going on 20 years now. Think about it. It's not necessarily a matter of "Bryan Danielson is the best wrestler of all time!!" (though those voters undoubtedly exist too), but could moreso be one of "yeah, Danielson is great, gonna put him in my top 30/20/10, etc." and those votes are inevitably going to tally up to a high finish. Same deal with Rey and Flair, who is additionally the aforementioned de-facto "best in the world" for the older generation of voters.
>>20564618What a fucking worthless list, the people who voted must barely even watch Japanese wrestling. Abu Zago unleashed the only Thomas Salto splash ever used in pro wrestling against Napo Zeno, and Napo Zeno retorted with a triple back somersault enzuigiri. Neither even made the list despite their legendary 3 hour match in 1992.
There’s barely any Mexican wrestlers on this list.bitch ass weeb smarks
How is the Rock not top 10? He had the most electrifying move in sports entertainment history
>>20564618any GOAT list that doesnt include the hulkster or inoki is invalid smark trash by default. same for any list that would put bryan danielson in the top ten. nothing against bryan but he isnt worthy of that.
>>20564618I have no idea what a GWE is, but Riho is better than all of them.
>>20566879this gimmick is very over with me
>>20565777>$96,302jeez. that's 2.4 million in 2026 dollars
>>20564618haven't got the faintest idea who Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki are
>>20565557Danielson has the same thing (but, imho, to a slightly lesser extent) as Guerrero, Funk and Lawler - you could drop them in literally any wrestling fed in any place in the world at any time in history and they'd be over/able to have a decent match. It's a very, very rare ability in wrestlers.
danielson stinks. he puts me to sleep. he doesn't belong with the rest of the 9 GOATs.good list otherwise, specially depending on the order.Bret should be #1 of course. only a very stupid person would disagree
>3 min Grimmas unlocked this topic#10 any minute now...https://forums.prowrestlingonly.com/topic/58470-the-2026-gwe-reveal-thread/page/4/
Danielson vs brock is one of my favorite matches but I think that says more about brocks natural ability to work with people with people that have deep physical gaps from him
#10 is... MISAWA
shit fuckgoddamnit fuck you bryanmisawa is #10 . should be bryan get bryan the fuck outta there ffs
>>20564618>Bug shitters in the top 10
>>20567360>dies in the ring to impress William Regal>doesn't even make the top 9kwab
>>20567360can't believe he ranked LOWER than before. what the fuck is going on. he should've went up not down. he could easily be #1. easily
got a really bad feeling about this now. this is bad.
>>20564618Hulk HoganRandy 'Macho Man' SavageAntonio InokiSteve AustinThe RockStingJohn CenaThe Road WarriorsBret HartRic Flair
>>20567360>zoomers don't "get" Misawait's over
>>20567360KWABOTY
I think it fits the trend. Misawa is an ace but Kobashi is more open and effusive. Maybe more accessible as well. Easier to drop in on. All Japan fell overall, even the other two pillars. While he got a big chunk of the vote, I don't see him as big of a coalition candidate as someone like Rey.
>>20567360Get used to this you crusty old heads. Your King Road will have lesser and lesser relevance the more time passes and the new standard will be Bushiroad's New Japan ladyboys dancing of the 2010s. The next GWE 10 years from now the 4 Geeks will be ranked even lower while Okada Omega and Osprey will crack the top 10. Seethe and cry KWAB
>>20567533I don't think people preferring Kobashi to Misawa is anything new. It's always been difficult for people to appreciate what made Misawa such a phenomenal ace because the traits are typically viewed as boring in an American wrestler.
>>20567570You say this but the rest of the top 10 is the same consensus boring guys that never changed in the last 30 years like flair, bret, kobashi and austin.
>>20566045That part
>>20564639Cope and seethe.
>>20564618interesting that austin is there, he's not a workrate guy. i thought flair might have been knocked out the top 10 by modern fans considering him outmoded or boring. i guess 90s all japan is still considered the apex of wrestling. i'm quite surprised there aren't any flippy shitters there. maybe aewtists shilling osprey and omega aren't that influential. it seems like the iwc is frozen in the 90s.
no one with a last name that starts with O should ever be in the top 10.
Austin absolutely is workrate through and through.
>>20567628>>20567628Yeah, but his peak is 3 years at most
lmao number 9 is bret
10. Trish Stratus9. Bruno Sammartino8. Shawn Michaels7. "Macho Man" Randy Savage6. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson5. Manami Toyota4. Bret "the Hit Man" Hart3. Hulk Hogan2. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin1. Ric Flair
>>20567624Is this another "Austin was only good before his neck injury" myth?
I've yet to see a harder working wrestler than Austin so if he's not workrate then no one is
>>20567661i don't know, i like austin, i'm just surprised he's held up as a GOAT by the same crowd who love misawa et al
>>20567665maybe workrate was the wrong term, i meant he's not a movez guy or dropping people on their head (apart from the guy he injured i guess heh).
IF YOU PUT THE LETTER S
Misawa > KobashiBret > Bryan
>>20567588yeah no shit its going to take time. The last year or two is really the first time since the early days of the internet smarks where japanese wrestling just isn't as revered as it used to be anymore, mainly because everybody wrestles the same big match formula now in every country and every company. It used to be the best wrestling matches were in Japan in the 90s and 2000s. It will be interesting, and also funny to see the current oldheads who ssome might even be pushing 50s by the next GWE if they will still be autistic enough to be posting on forums age out and replaced by the newer gens who grew up with the more modern style of 2010s NJPW and to them that was their Kings Road.
>>20567680Eh, a big match in CMLL looks radically different than a big match in America or Japan
If Hogan isn't on your GOAT list, your list is invalid.
>>20567689He is on the list>>20564921
Vaderbros we are going straight to the top 5 this year ITS TIME
I feel like there's an influx of edrones this time round because its stunning to see guys like eddie, bret, mick foley all ranked this high this time round
>>20567405this is a much better list, only one I would disagree with is cena but i can at least understand why some would put him there.
>>20567689he is on the definitive authoritative list>>20567649and also on this tremendous list>>20567405
>>20567701he already dropped, he's 15 i think.
Run from it. Despise it. Dread it. He will be #1 at the end of the day. It's inevitable
>>20567689this. hogan is literally THE most successful wrestler of all time. anyone who would rate him below #10 is obviously just a leftyfag who is still angry that the hulkster helped trump win.
>>20567733>hogan is literally THE most successful wrestler of all timeyeah the most successful at being raped and gaped in hell
>>20567733Also the most racist
should be Austin or Flair. but Tenryu is fine. whatever. ANYONE ANYONE but Bryan. jesus fucking christ enough already. did hogwheels vote? can't imagine anyone voting this high on bryan other than drooling retards and literal children
>>20567736>being raped and gaped in hellnah that's El-P in the immediate future
STOP THE COUNT
>>20564618Where’s el santo? Wasn’t he the most popular wrestler ever in Mexico?
>>20567762no footage apart from some brief clips in his films
>>20567762unranked, due to a lack of surviving footage
>>20567405>The Road Warriors>On a list ranking individual wrestlers
>>20567736>>20567738and just like that, the hogantranny is triggered lol. im not even going to try and have a discussion with you, ya fuckin snitch.
....uh how can a guy be the most popular wrestler ever (LOL) if he has no fucking footage? is this ANOTHER Fake News Meltzer lie?
>>20567770still a better choice than daniel bryan
>>20567770>>20567405I am trying to rewatch 2001 wrestling and Animal being the mystery man at Sin after Sid broke his leg literally gave me a headache.
>>20567775triggered about what? hogan is dead and in hell, and you throw a seething tantrum anytime you're reminded of the fact and cry.
>>20567795weak bait, 0/10
>>20567738You say this like it's a bad thing
>>20567809sorry but denying it won't save you nor hogan from the truth, he's burning in hell for his life of sin.
>>20565724They hated him because he told the truth
>>20567822I like that you act like you have any authority whatsoever on what happens in the afterlife. Hogan must have buried your favorite very badly.
>>20567852i've read the bible, and hogan spent his entire life lying, cheating, scamming, adultering, and being heretical that's a one way ticket to hell.
>>20567852ignore that faggot, hes just trying to bait you into going off topic or saying something "racist" so he can snitch you out.
>>20567775>>20567869>snitchLOOOOOOOOOLBitch got banned for his sperg-outsKWAB
>>20567861You should read it again and maybe you'd remember that you're not supposed to pass judgment on others>>20567869You got it, chief
REAL TOP TEN1. Hulk Hogan2. The Hulkster3. Terry Bollea4. Hollywood Hogan5. Mr. America6. Thunderlips7. Terry Boulder8. The Real American 9. Rip from No Holds Barred10. Sterling Golden
>>20567885it's a special exemption for one such as Hulk D Hogan.
This is The List: >>20567649
>>20567900Absolutely KEYED!
>>20567900And all are dead, and in hell, and being raped and gaped by the devil.
>>20567900>Real Top Ten (of those in Hell)Fixed
>>20567903That's not how it works and you should stop using the Bible to justify your seething. Not even sure why you brought religion into this if you're going to pick and choose when you apply the rules to something.
>>20567941>That's not how it worksFraid it is, fraid Hogans burning in hell.
>>20567941>Not even sure why you brought religion into this if you're going to pick and choose when you apply the rules to something.sounds like a christian to me
>>20567957'fraid it's not and if you keep twisting words to justify whatever happened to your favorite wrestler's career then you're going down a road you can't return from.
>>20567965*tips fedora*
>>20567967>'fraid it's not sorry bro but fraid it is and hogan is burning in hell.
>>20567974>thinks christianity hasn't been 2000 years of autism where retards interpret the bible however they want to suit their views.
BOOYAKA BOOYAKA SIX ONE NINE HEYBOOYAKA BOOYAKA RAYMOND STEREO
>>20567770Too bad, they are better than whoever you would have put into that spot and I'm not burning two names just to include them.
Bryan is better than Bret. Bryan succeeded in 3 companies. Bret succeeded in 1. Bryan had great matches with white, black, jap and mexicans. Bret only with whites. Bryan has 3 decades of work, Bret only has 1. Bryan has better carryjobs with shitters like Bray Wyatt and Kofi than Bret does. Bryan has far more varied matches and opponents, Bret only has one type of match. Simple as.
#9: BRET HART
#8: REY MYSTERIO JR
>>20567667The type of smark that sincerely appreciates 90s AJPW definitely also likes Austin. It's idiot gif watchers (aewtists) who act in bad faith.
>only luchadors in the top 50 are rey and eddie guerrerolol dirty gringos know nothing about good wrestling
it's almost like Misawa and Austin are equally great in their own way
>>20568156check the list, Austin is objectively bettermisawa is only 10th
>>20568155>47. Blue Panther>40. LA Park>30. Negro Casas
luchashit is crapola none of that belongs
Someone should tweet/DM or however the fuck you get in contact with Bret the link to the forum and tell him he is ranked #9. I want to see his earnest reaction
>>20564921Having Mutoh so low is honestly criminal. He was great in-ring and great at everything else before his knees exploded, then he adapted, made one of the coolest moves ever, and still had good matches the rest of his career.I love the Four Pillars as much as the next guy but having Keiji Mutoh at SIXTY FUCKING TWO is absurd and Misawa would elbow the shit out of whoever made this list
>>20568167But Lucha is the strongest casual magnet wrestling has to offer.
>>20565514>Tenryu>gookWrestled Hogan multiple times, personal friend of Trump, appeared at Wrestlemaniakill yourself
>>20567718fuckin hell these smarks are truly clueless for a board of being the supposedly smartest fans.
>>20568182another win for Israel, yessir
>>20565456His in-ring performance is wildly underrated. Dude could read a crowd like no one else. Everyone says his match with Andre at WM3 was shit, for example, but it's one of the few matches that still gives me goosebumps when I see it. Not when he does the body slam, but when he finally gets Andre off of his feet for the first time.I have no doubt they could've put on something better if Andre wasn't as washed, but they still were able to milk that entire crowd like crazy. They were jumping out of their seats wildly, even though those two only did a couple moves the whole match.
>>20568185anon all jokes aside they very clearly have no idea who the other guy is in that photo, both of them
>>20568182This reminds me. If Misawa were still alive today, he'd be the most maga coded gooner on earth. that man was a master pervert
Liger was only #25
>>20568197your headcanon or you've read/heard something?
>>20568204He was notoriously horny
>>20565709Yeah, but Hogan clearly had juice in all those instances, because as soon as his presentation changed, he was massively, massively over again. Which points to the booking being the issue over the talent.
>>20568202>liger being 40 spots higher than mutoabsurd
>>20568224Wait until you realize Liger used to be #6 and Muto was #66
>>20568230Man the 80s/90s NJPW catalog being unavailable to fags on youtube has completely distorted the view of 80s/90s Japanese wrestling
>>20564618based. add Kenny and it's a perfect list.
i like Muto (and Inoki) but AJPW was always better in the 90s and then NOAH was always better in the 00sand then puroresu died with MisawaNJPW has always sucked, and has only gotten worse in the last decade plus. most overrated promotion ever
>>20568235I'm a huge Muto mark but Muto has always been very divisive in the IWC community even in the early days because of his matches and match structure, which i know for sure is something that grinds their beans and get up in arms for (no selling, illogical selling, limp work that meant nothing etc..) and I can agree with where they're coming from. As for meI' m not as autistic as them and its something i made peace with a long time ago that sometimes, the nigga just wants to no sell something to get his shit in and spam a million dragonscrew
>>20567738He's literally not. He got caught saying "nigger" in a private conversation. But no black wrestlers have ever called him out on any bad interactions with him. Which is what you'd want from someone who's racist, no? Keeping their feelings aside to coexist. Meanwhile, the same can't be said about other guys, like Flair or Hayes.
>>205646181. Rick Rude2. Jerry Lawler(I am from Memphis)3. Randy Savage4. Bret Hart5. Ted Dibiase6. Steve Austin7. Ultimate Warrior8. Sting9. Taz 10. Raven
>>20568279that was really more of a late career mutoh thing
>>20568214that only counts for his wcw face run which turned around due to turning heel.
#1 has to be someone who spent time in WCW or I won't recognize this
>>20568287nah even when he was younger there were definitely wtf moments in his matches as well
>>20564618how is flair or bret hart on this type of list? they both needed S tier opponents to have good matches? stan hansen is also a bit borderline because he has had so many stinkers especially in the US and a lot of his japan stuff is kinda average at best, im a huge stan hansen fan so im just gonna be real here, he could only truely shine with hand picked opponents Kawada should take his spot imho. most people who wrestled him had the best match of their career with him. hes the greatest wrestler of all time if had to pick one based on his ability to turn lifetime midcarders with a good body and not much else into prime main event talent so consistently
>>20568305Nigga Bret had good matches against Yokozuna.
>>20568303This must be a zoomer criticism or something because if I ask in the old head tape trader discord im in right now, Muto will be in every single guy's top 5 list guaranteed, maybe even 1 on a few of them
>>20568305>Bret Hart>needed S tier opponentsBret made Davey Boy look like a worlds champion. Hell, he made Tom Magee look like a damn superstar.
>>20568305One of Bret Hart's best matches is against Kevin Nash, one of the most notoriously bad in-ring guys of all time. Also the Tom Magee story is legendary, literally made Vince waste a bunch of money because he carried a guy so hard kek
>>20568016Bryan is a boring fucking shitter who helped kill wrestling but this sentence is still true. Any wrestling list that doesn’t have hogan or Austin at 1 is a fucking meme, I don’t care how many spine destroying suplexes Toyota skyline took before his next snapped in the ring for being an unsafe shitter who worked himself into a coffin for 36 people.
>>20568280that should mean the hogantrannies hate him then.
>>20568335Hogantrannies aren't logical people. They're politically captured idiots and/or hate Hogan because they watched yet another hour-long essay on the "lies of Hulk Hogan" by some Brit on YouTube.
>the retarded boomer is still trying his shitpostsnever knew the tokyo dome only seated 36 peopl
>>20568338If Hogantrannies hate Hogan, why are they always defending him?
>top 21st Century wrestlers according to GWE1. Danielson2. Tanahashi3. AJ Styles4. Samoa Joe5. CM Punk6. Kazuchika Okada7. Kenny Omega8. John Cena9. Jon Moxley10. Meiko Satomura11. Kaysuyori Shibata12. Kurt Angle13. Sami Zayn14. Gunther15. Mistico
>>20568335>>20568345Trannies hate Hogan.You're repurposing the word as weak bait.
>>20568348Satomura should be #1 there.
>>20568352Why would they hate one of their own?
Where are people getting the idea that Bret didn't carry shitters all the time? Bret made everyone look great, he had good to great matches with some of the most mediocre wrestlers. Bret is the greatest in-ring wrestler of all time imo and I don't even think it's close. His selling and psychology is absolutely untouchable. His work never looked sloppy and he was incredibly safe. Holding WCW's booking against him is some of the most retarded shit I've ever heard. WCW went out of business for a reason.
>>20568348Grim century.
>>20568355ZAMN?! The IMMORTAL HULK HOGAN looks like THAT?! This is the GREAT ALL AMERICAN HERO that they defend?! This is the MASCULINE ICON that they look up to? OHNONONONONO
>>20568339Cry all you want but suicide Suzuki is known by about 3 international autists and meltzer dick suckers. Austin at his peak was drawing worldwide international audiences. I don’t really give a fuck what you think but you are lying to yourself if you think that shitter has a place in the top ten industry figures ever.
>>20568348Mox punk Sami or Gunther being on this list is an absolute embarrassment.
keep crying, the japanese live rent free in your cheeto encrusted brain
>>20568356Because that's more or less the extent of his greatness. Outside of his program with Austin, Bret was never great in a feud. It's why he's overrated in hindsight. His matches all watch excellently in a vacuum since his work is impeccable. But anyone following his programs in real time weren't as impressed.That's the problem with lists like this, because your one and only criteria has to be in-ring acumen; otherwise, even if you're going on personal entertainment, you're missing a huge part of the picture.We can see this whenever zoomers go back and binge watch RAW or Nitro and their opinions can completely 180 on certain guys or angles or whatever. And even that doesn't emulate what it was like to follow in real time, maybe with other people who were following it.One of my favorite matches of all time is Hart vs Perfect at KOTR '93, but fuck me if I wanna go back and watch any of his build for any of his best matches. And for that, at least personally, I'd never rate him that high.
>>20568402Kek, sure. Meltz drones literally have no defence to the retard shit they shill.
>>20568405Not his fault he was in WWF when it was at its lowest, though. And then WCW was a shit show. Bret in the AE in the WWF would have been amazing to watch. It's so disappointing, what could have been.
>kek surelmao you were 100% crying when you typed that
the whole "japanese are better because they're japanese" theory has always been retarded
>>20568339Probably not a good look to call someone a boomer while defending a guy who died nearly 20 years ago and both hulk and Steve had matches after his death.
>>20568436Yeah imagine if he wasn’t a giant faggot about loosing a fake fighting trophy, in a fake fight, while leaving for a better job.
>>20568467FUCK!it's going the opposite of how it should
>>20568405The entire point of list's like this are to, and I cannot stress this enough>Get people to watch more wrestling footage
>>20568464Shawn was the entire issue and he is a complete piece of shit. Vince hitching his wagon to a literal anti draw drug addict was retarded but he got lucky Bret already created his next star for him.
>>20568467Marks love him because marks don't understand that it's supposed to be fake, and Stan was too retarded to work a punch
>>20568448yeah boomers were 100% watching misawa and jumbo when they were younger.
>>20568494Do you think it was the 5 year olds tape trading
>>20568490Stan was quite literally half blind
interesting how none of the 3 GOATs of Japan wrestling are japanese. Hansen, Blassie and Thesz.
>>20568475I don’t care about Michaels, but it’s incredibly childish to not drop your fake title on the way out the company. Any normal person would have happily dropped it and left for the big cheque at the new place, and moved on to better things. Bret was an unprofessional faggot, went to wcw where he was booked so badly he never came back from it, then ran into the bald jews foot to really seal the deal. If he had just done the job, left that night, got booked badly and resigned for more later with Vince he probably wouldn’t have the legacy as the “what if” guy.
>>20568499the point is, is that the retarded troll who's spammed the same trollpost over and over reflects a typical boomer opinion>wat da fuck yuo mean dem jap sonnabitches dey ain't better dan hogan or austin dem real good ol boys now fetch the lube, tyrone needs to breed ma wife yee haw
>>20568520At what point when confronted with facts does that opinion become valid to you? Also why do you constantly think about cuck shit and blacks? Mutts laws.
>>20568539ah yes facts like a man who main evented the tokyo dome three times and main evented the budokan 50+ times being described as someone who wrestles in front of 36 people.
>>20568235i hated NJPW when i was younger but now i find it almost charming. the wrestling itself was very often terrible, the mat wrestling didnt look crisp, the holds looked fake but they werent flashy like in lucha libre and they didnt give a shit about psychology or trying to use it as a form of story telling, yet they spent a lot of time doing them anyways. if they did basic shit in AJPW then they sure as fuck would try to do something with it or move on to something else if it wasnt the focus of the match>>20568279muto was a good wrestler he just wasnt the massive mark that you have to be to really get into goat contention. you have to have one side of yourself that legit thinks that wrestling is real to be able to get to that type of leve, its clear to me that he never had that side, he was athletic, smart and very seasoned in the ring but always treated it as a business even when he was just helping people make money instead of making money for himself
Austin cannot be allowed to make the top 5
>>20564618Pretty based list to be honest. Wrestler’s wrestlers.
>>20568494i had the NOAH stream up on the day that Misawa died, they had him lying dead in the ring for almost an hour while the fans were desperately crying his name. i still get chills thinking about the sounds that some of those fans made
>>20568316>Kevin Nash, one of the most notoriously bad in-ring guys of all time
>>20567770
>>20568308do you hate people selling the biggest move in the match? a true goat would have gotten yoko to sell the double clothesline
>>20564918who in 2016 was calling goldust the 32nd greatest wrestler everwhat demographic is this poll sampling
>>20568781name 31 wrestlers better than the natural dustin rhodes in wcw before wwf ruined and trooned him out and destroyed his career
>>20568798hes wrestled pretty much all the greatest wrestlers of the 90s both japanese and american so it would be pretty easy to do
>>20564618Any list that doesn't have Rock and Hogan as the top two greatest wrestlers of all time, is shit.Those two are the biggest professional wrestling superstars of the last 100 years. Everyone else is leagues below them.
why do capitalistcucks keep invading wrestling threads?
>>20568957Another retard who completely misunderstands the assignment
>>20568740Do you think Vince is still mad that nobody calls them the Legion of Doom like he wanted
>>20568740Road Warrior Animal, and Road Warrior Ellering
if it's based on in-ring ability that should mean actual wrestling ability. shooting. bryan danielson can't wrestle for real. he's never been in a real match. lou thesz would tie him up in knots in seconds. very few WRESTLERS on this list.
and if it's about making it LOOK real, then the poll results are even more insane. phony looking wrestlers in top spots, realistic wrestlers in low spots. it's like there is absolutely zero criteria to this list.
>>20569148you can tell which wrestlers havent ever done any sort of real combat sport or sparring. its so easy to tell that zack sabre jr hasnt done any real grappling in his life, he moves like he wants his opponent to break his balance and it just looks stupid
>>20569148if we were judging gwe from just shooting then don frye would be like #1 lol
