She's getting betrayed by her judgement day buddies you ESL

>and the crowd goes mild
They're actively killing their main roster women division it's quite impressive

>>20686987
Imagine the seethe if she wins Kek. Constant anti liv spam like when she beat iyo a bunch of times in Japan.

>>20687010
Same with the guys and them pushing Jew uso

>AI sloppa
"asian" fanbase

>>20687013
You mean you'll make a bunch of spam threads? You do that every day already.

>>20686987
Would be based as fuck

>>20687031
true

They've run Liv into the ground after Vaquer, but her gimmick just has no legs (not unlike her main simp) when she doesn't have that kind of fiery face opponent

>>20687031
You’re gonna complain over anons posting threads like you do all the time?
> he’s sliding my general!!!

>>20687043
Which is it? You keep changing up who your lover simps for

Yeah there he goes, can't help himself.

Yup. I thought so.

>>20686987
>AI slop and brainrot booking
A match made in e-drone heaven kek

>>20687048
>instant seethe, barely legible post
oink oink that's you

>>20687069
That pork

>>20687048
Kek iced it.

oink oink I simp for she

>>20686987
Becky 2 Belts was the start of Becky fatigue

>>20687048
Slice that.

>>20687090
Liv is actually entertaining and not a shitty stuttering retard who has to constantly make it obvious that I AM ACTING RIGHT NOW AND YOU NEES TO RECOGNIZE THAT I AM ACTING THIS CHARACTER AND APPRECIATE THE ACTING ABILITY I DONT HAVE

>>20687090
I don't think she would hold both belts long if she does end up winning the other title. She'd probably lose one to the MITB winner.

>>20687099
>Liv is actually entertaining
Her current gimmick is every bit as annoying as Becky's

>>20687121
Liv is a good promo, a good character, has natural charisma, and is one of like 4 women on the roster who has matches that arent entirely per-cherographed recitals
Beck is a godawful promo, a boring character, has so little charisma that even doing a Trump ripoff gimmick gets her 0 heat, and moves around the ring in slow motion. Both Becky and her shit husband are the worst parts of WWE

>>20687134
I agree with you on Becky. Just saying that Liv's current character is every bit as annoying, and giving her both belts will sink her popularity

>>20687134
Becky sucks but Liv isn't a good promo and her character is beyond stale at this pointv and "charisma" is so vague and overused at this point nobody seems to now what the fuck it actually is
typical heel that needs a good face to feed off of, otherwise she's just there being annoying for no reason and nobody gives a fuck

>>20687134
>Liv is a good promo, a good character, has natural charisma,
if that was true she wouldnt be in dom's spotlight for two years

I didn't think it was possible but I'm actually getting Liv fatigue

>>20687134
Yeah on Planet ESL Retard
Population: YOU

>>20687172
No one is annoyed by Liv. In fact the biggest problem she has is that she's the top heel and top face on Raw. They can stick her against Iyo, but other than that no crowd will cheer for anyone she's against. They're also stop-starting the Judgment Day breakup feuds they obviously want to do because she dwarfs both the other girls popularity and a turn will kill them. It's been 3 months and she has 0 title feuds and is already back to facing Iyo and Rhea in perpetuity because they're the only ones they can put her against where she will actually get booed, or at least cheered less than her opponent

>>20687216
she isn't the top face at all lmao
simps man...

>>20687225
Who is? Bayley or Sol? lmao

>>20687216
>No one is annoyed by Liv.
You're not listening. Giving her both belts will be the beginning of Liv fatigue in a major way. She already barely got a reaction tonight.

>>20687227
bayley is tag wrestler now and rol just got there

>>20687227
Iyo, dumbass. You are so dumb you even forgot what you just wrote lol

>>20687228
smarks whine about anyone getting pushed just like they're whining about jey uso again

yeah just like main eventing night 1 of mania kek

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>>20687238
>just like they're whining about jey uso again
i wonder why

>>20687232
Liv is way more over than Iyo, and I don't even dislike Iyo. Iyo only gets pops when she does the flip into spaz out thing or when she's with Rhea. She has the same deal Vaquer has where she can't do promos so no one can really get invested in her, but they'll cheer when she has a match because she's good

>>20687259
iyo gets huge pops and massive chants every time she's on tv. she is probably the third most over woman in the company only behind rhea and liv. idk if it's like a bit to deny her that but she is obviously the top face on raw.

>>20687258
people have been "fatigued" of Jey and the entire Bloodline for like 4 years now, and every time they make an entrance they get a 5+ minute long pop for just standing in the ring or dancing. Smarks are just whiny contrarians

>>20687268
Oh but when I say that you get mad at me.

>>20687268
If Iyo was as over as you think she was they wouldn't have been able to drop a 6 month long storyline with no explanation and get no pushback on it other than obsessive joshifags on twitter complaining about it. And Im not even going to argue she's probably the 3rd most over woman, but Rhea is clearly #1 and Liv is #2 and no one else is really close to them. Most of the women's division right now is extremely dimeless and cooled off because of the terrible booking

>>20687281
The rhiyo bullshit really hurt her. She was already a meme before with the finger shit and the trash can but man oh man seeing her hide in the corner while Rhea saves her is just sad.

>>20687281
Bliss is still majorly over but they are probably turning her heel in the not-too-distant future against Charlotte

>>20687283
The 8 months of Rhiyo + eternal Becky vortex killed the entire women's division. Rhiyo somehow got both of them less over, Becky basically killed the entire Raw roster just to make herself champion in the end of it and also not be over.
Raw is just Liv and Iyo and a bunch of buried midcarders. SD is Rhea and a bunch of girls with failed pushes like Jade or Tiffany or Giulia.

>>20687304
sd is a million times better than raw when it comes to the women. chelsea/tiffany shenanigans. giulia finally has an actual angle. blake monroe mind games. alexa somehow managing to get people to cheer charlotte. even jade and jacy are a much better villains right now than liv. the problem is dom and liv should have been turned babyface already. they are doing the same shit they were doing two years ago with no progression and it is boring. they just need to have raquel and roxanne turn on liv already.

>>20687354
liv has been a face before and frankly just is not a very good face. just because someone is over that doesn't mean they necessarily have to turn face. look what happened with rhea or tiffany. they turned chelsea face and she already lost all of her sauce.

>>20687363
Tweeners. Rhea was a tweener and she gets cheers

niggas will go on the internet and argue about womens wrestling and claim to be straight lol

>>20687363
chelsea got chants a just week or two ago. the whole point of wrestling is to get people over and then turn them face. if liv is not talented enough to play a face, she should be moved to the midcard.

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>MAGA Liv about to be a double champion after going public with her MAGA boyfriend
TKO has drawn the line in the sand.

>>20687354
That's exactly why I said Livs biggest problem is that she's the top face and heel combined with awful booking. Becky destroyed the entire midcard on Raw to the point no one is even slightly credible or over enough to move up.
Lyra is DOA and will never recover. Bayly is just there. Maxxine sucks and got buried. Natalya has never been over. Raquel was forced to spend 6 months jobbing to Vaquer. Roxanne has won like two matches in the last year. The only face you can put against Liv is Iyo or Rhea. If you turn Liv face, the only heel you can put her against is Becky. Becky destroyed Raw and it's going to take at least a full year of good booking to fix it, and Paul can't book

>>20687396
raquel and roxanne losing a bunch does not matter. liv is not booked strongly either. you do not need to "build up" anyone to be a threat to her.

>>20686987
She must have sucked off Johnny Ace crazy style

>>20687430
Liv has lost like 3 singles matches since WM40. And I'm pretty sure they're all Rhea.

>>20687443
and how many clean wins does she have? i'm pretty sure all of her wins are jd interference.

>>20687396
the only face you can put against Liv is Vaquer because it's the only thing actually resembling a true wrestling feud
and honestly she should wipe the floor with her but I'm obviously talking to a fucking moron if you think Nattie, Raquel, Lyra belong anywhere above the lower fuckign card lol
All three should be fired, there are much better girls that never see proper TV time when we're forced through a weekly Raquel and Lyra match playing out in complete silence

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>>20687466
hang on bro nattie just put on a heated 4 star banger

>>20687028
>sloppa
Only jeets say this. Outted yourself.

>>20687458
A surprising amount actually. And what's it matter? She's a heel, and heels cheat. Raquel or Roxanne get interference and still lose because they're booked like jobbers.
>>20687466
Yeah no. We already had 3 months of Liv vs Vaquer and it was mid. Vaquer can't get crowd investment, and Liv can't do character work because Steph is lost in the woods when it comes to promos. You have a face no one cares about and a heel no one can hate. They even had to resort to cheap heat borderline racist stuff to get something going and it didn't work so they just spent the last month beating each other up

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>Vaquer can't get crowd investment
this is complete bullshit lmao and I'm not even entertaining the rest of this conversation
Here's your "top babyface" that "no one can hate" you completely delusional moronic fucktard simpoid fuck
goddamn lol

it was rude to make liv work on juneteenth

>>20687510
ouch lol

>>20687491
>A surprising amount actually.
Lol. That is not true at all. She almost never wins a one-on-one match cleanly unless it is Lyra or something. Raquel clearly outsizes Liv and would be a credible threat to her.

>>20687510
you seem very stable sane and unbiased

>>20687491
To add to this >>20687538 if that is true about Vaquer, turn her heel and have a latina faction with Raquel and Roxanne against face Liv. Its not rocket science.

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this is who you're arguing with btw

>>20687538
Raquel is a "credible threat" to every woman on the roster because of her size, but she's blatantly booked like a midcarder, at best jobber to the stars. Liv is booked as basically second only to Rhea

>>20687563
>Liv is booked as basically second only to Rhea
Not in terms of "strength." That is the point. If Liv turns face, she will have to win matches cleanly against people other than Lyra which she has not done. Its not like she is Jade.

>>20687576
She's beaten Iyo clean before.

>>20687576
And? Iyo is like 4'10 and wins clean all the time. She literally just beat Raquel. Rhea herself isn't shoot strong. Heels cheat, faces don't. What matters is the win or loss itself. Liv barely ever loses, Raquel barely ever wins.

Oh boy TWO BELTS for Liv to not defend!

>>20687656
It's kind of funny that Paul being incapable of finding a new challenger since Vaquer got injured might result in Liv holding both belts.

>>20687584
>Iyo is like 4'10 and wins clean all the time.
Are you retarded or being purposefully obtuse? Iyo is a face. I have no problem with Liv winning cleanly as face.

>>20687730
the person you are arguing with does not want liv to turn face because then he will not be able to imagine her "character" spanking him as he jerks his tiny indian cock lol. liv cannot play a face because she has no talent. she is mid in the ring and terrible on the mic, and she only has any relevance because of dom and rhea.

Triple H is too retarded to realize he's giving Liv go away heat with the way he's booking her. There's no reason they haven't given her another challenger, even if it's just a filler feud. Also no reason to drag out the Judgement Day breakup for so long, it should have already happened.

>>20688271
Absolutely delicious to watch livtroons suddenly cry about the booking like that when pushing her to the moon did nothing
It is funny as fuck to watch you degenerates grapple with basic face/heel dynamics and slowly realize that nobody wants face Liv Hogan at least until she gets thoroughly demolished first

>>20688326
Nobody has defended her booking during this reign, it makes her and the entire Raw women's division look like shit. Nobody is saying she should turn face either.

>>20688387
kek there's another retard pretty much just like you arguing she's already a face but yeah sure lol
Between the rumble and mania you couldn't browse this fucking board without hiding a million samefagged dogshit threads crying for her to get the title and beat Vaquer flat
Well there you go, enjoy
Iyo wasn't booked to defend, your lot cried she was a poor champ, Vaquer was stuck feuding with the most dimeless charisma vacuum on the roster for 6 months, your lot now argues that a Raquel feud is desperately needed for Liv lmao
Honestly I enjoyed her shtick quite a bit before mania, everything since then has been a shitshow, the booking sucks, the feud with Vaquer was cut way too short, but her trash song and general demeanor really did her in. turns out she's not really interesting when she's not the foil of a more interesting personality.
And now that she's firmly at the top of the card, we can all enjoy watching her botch her way into irrelevance, except it's schadenfreude for anybody who had to read your dumb shit

>>20686987
based Liv

The top gal in the E

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double double that's me
two patties and american cheese

>>20687730
Yeah, that's what I said for like 4 replies in a row. Heels cheat and faces don't. You're the one saying saying Liv isn't booked strong and trying to find any justification of it even though she's lost less singles matches than Cody has

wow a thread of terminal seething about Liv right before an Iyo match. What a shock.
https://www.reddit.com/user/DarkstarIV/
stop spamming here go back and then kill yourself

>>20686987
>confident hooters blonde All-American girl STACY vs roided emo Abo crybaby coalburning FOID

>>20689525
I’m pretty sure everyone knows this by now.

>>20689525
Bookmarked. Thank you.

>>20688448
>Vaquer was stuck feuding with the most dimeless charisma vacuum on the roster for 6 months
she wrestled herself for 6 months?

The Livtranny seems to have a hard accepting that the crowds and everybody else reject his waifu
Gonna be nice crash out as it keeps happening kek

>>20689525
Kek he thinks liv buried the division??

It took less than 6 months of pushing her for the crowds to turn on her KWAB

>>20689418
No I was arguing against the idiotic notion that heels would have to be "built up" to face Liv if she turned face. If every single person on a wrestling show has to have a high win percentage to face another person, then you would not have any matches or show.

>>20687303
>turning Bliss heel over Charlotte
Maybe on planet retard. It would be the other way around if anything.

>>20690128
>If every single person on a wrestling show has to have a high win percentage to face another person, then you would not have any matches or show.
Right. Which is why certain wrestlers will always job to wrestlers who are more over than them, which continues to elevate that wrestler and create a tier designation. Liv is many tiers above Raquel or Roxanne which is why a feud against them wouldn't work. The only women who win as much as Liv are Rhea, Becky, and maybe Iyo depending on how badly Trips needs to make Rhea look strong at her expense. Ergo Liv has no credible challengers besides them, and has spent 3 months without defending her title, and the only two options they have narrowed down and locked in for her are Iyo or Rhea.

>>20690234
You are retarded so this is my last post to you. Numbers/statistics mean shit in wrestling. It is HOW the person wins/loses that matters. The fact that Raquel has had title matches at all means she is high enough in kayfabe to be an opponent for Liv. It does not matter that she has lost those matches. Liv has won most of her matches BECAUSE OF RAQUEL. Hell, Nia was champion just two years ago and Lash could be a top heel when she leaves the tag division too. Raquel turning on Liv would make her a top heel and Liv one of the top faces. I do not even care to see a Raquel/Liv feud because they are both shit but there is literally zero reason it cannot happen.
>>20690139
>Maybe on planet retard.
So... WWE?

>>20690334
Nah. You're just one of thousands of delusional smark retards who think nothing that actually happens matters because its all fake and everyone knows its fake. Wins and losses matter, and who you beat matters. Raquel loses to everyone important, and Liv beats everyone important except Rhea. Raquel isn't a viable challenger just like everyone else on Raw which is why she has none. Paul can't book.

>>20689525
Kek more livfag delusions

>>20687134
>Liv is a good promo, a good character, has natural charisma,
kek no
>and is one of like 4 women on the roster who has matches that arent entirely per-cherographed recitals
is that why all her matches are shitty

>>20690576
If Iyo and Giulia had the exact match Liv and Charlotte just had everyone online would be talking about how amazing women's wrestling is when they're given 20 minutes and a match storyline to work off of

The Raquel schizo is an absolute moron. She's nothing

>>20686998
That would be dimes. But hhhler is antidimes so...

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>makes rheafags seethe
>makes beckyfags seethe
>makes iyofags seethe
>makes vaqfags seethe
>makes domfags seethe
>makes women's wrestling fags seethe
>makes "women's wrestling" fags seethe
>makes reddit sois seethe
forever my GOAT

>>20691346
>>makes women's wrestling fags seethe
>>makes "women's wrestling" fags seethe
kek this esl typed it twice

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>>20691356
hey retard, notice the quotation marks around one of them.

>>20690356
>Paul can't book
which is why an absolute shitter like liv is champion kek

>>20690356
the booker can decide at any time for a wrestler to stop losing and start winning and they can decide at any time for a wrestler to stop winning and start losing. even a mega-autist like tony khan realized the ranking system was retarded lmao

>>20687474
Like I said before. Nattie is a really good wrestler. But main roster fans dont get it.