>1997: Beginning of Attitude Era. Pre-Survivor Series, there were promos out, and by December the scratch logo was introduced>1998: Rock and Austin win their first world titles>1999: Rock surpasses austin. His catchphrase SmackDown leads to a new weekly show and a video game franchise>2000: Peak of attitude era. Rock is the undisputed top guy>2001: Rock leaves for Hollywood, and austin tanks the ratings. Invasion flops>2002: Hogan returns and passes the torch to Rock. Austin back in midcard. Rock puts over Brock at SS. Ruthless Aggression era begins.>2003: Attitude branding is used for the last time at WM19. After that they start the 12 month long build to "WMXX: Where it all begins again".Which era was your favorite and why?
>>20722344the match from the pichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTM1uCrUIEo
>>20722353This match gave us one of the best GIFs ever
Attitude Era was great in bits and pieces. Only the year 2000 was great throughout for the most part.>1997 was a great year but only had 2 months of Attitude Era (Nov-Dec)>1998 sucked ass from WM to SummerSlam>1999 sucked from WM to SummerSlam>2000 was great from the start till No Mercy. Last couple of months were meh>2001 sucked from WM to Invasion. Got better around SS to Survivor, then sucked again.>2002 was great until the end of Attitude Era in May 2002 when WWF changed to WWE and the Brand Split was in full effect.
better than current wwe
>>20722353>>20722367KINO
>>2072234498 and 99 were peak attitude era sorry zoomie
>>20722639lol 98 sucked ass. Kane and Taker got nerfed to put over bald faggot who couldn't draw without Vince99 was cringe with ministry of corporation2000 was the GOAT year
>>20722344>Hogan returns and passes the torch to RockRock already had the torch. You said it yourself. In 2000, Rock was the undisputed top guy. That includes the entire business and includes Hogan in 2000.
>>20722659>Rock already had the torchYes, but due to the politics by gaytch and austin, Rock never had a WM victory over a GOAT (unless you count MMA GOAT Shamrock in 1998, but that was via reversed decision).
>>20722367used to use that in the message boards all the time
>>207223441997 because it was edgy in a more serious way, mainly due to Bret.
It's interesting to note that the first HIAC and debut of Kane happened before the official Attitude Era promos started airing.
>>20722344i still on my rewatch, stuck in mid 19997 it's pretty boring and repetitive right now. I'm really starting to think this era was vastly overrated.
>>20724705for clarity Im at 1999, the 7 didn't delete
>>20724705>I'm really starting to think this era was vastly overratedIt sucks in 1999. Gets better in 2000 with bald bitch austin out.
why did steve austin tank the ratings in 2001? what an overrated bald shitter
>>20722649Whatever you say zoomie
>>20725649>>20724705Holy samefag
>>20724639>THAT'S GOTTA BE KANE
>>20727192>>20727197unholy samebitch
Attitude era is the last time wrestling was good
Where were you when wrestling peaked?
>>20722344Scratch logo was literally introduced in Survivor Series 1997 along with the "WWF Attitude" slogan.If you count Survivor Series 1997 as the beginning of attitude era it means Bret was part of it for only one day.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEQ1tbHFlyg
>>20730537>10 million viewers for a RawWWE can't even pull 10 million viewers in a month for Raw now.
>>20727093Because he was a heel and people wanted him to be a face. I believe it was this era of Austin that gave us "What?!"
>>20731973I did not know this. I really thought the Vince McMahon promo from the Raw after SS'97 was the first day. But I also didn't see SS'97 live, I rented it.
2000 was great until Rikishi becomes a main character in the fall. Angle was also a meh world.champion
I owe the attitude era my first fap. It was to Sable.
>>20736051Different landscape for media entirely anon. Everything is so fractured and everyone's so split up by their algorithms and niche bubble interests now. In the 90s there was appointment television. There were far fewer options. Everyone knew about every big talking point of the week whether they watched a show or not. Water cooler talk. The only thing still somewhat like that left is major sports like football
>>20736363*It was to the union stable
>>20736329HHH made him look great on Smack Down but "I did it for da Rock" made us hate him more than we ever liked him. Hate as in turn the channel and not pay to watch bleed.
>>20736447>but "I did it for da Rock" made us hate him more than we ever liked himThe Rock sabotaged so many guy's main event pushes. Rikishi, Billy Gunn, etc
>>20722344>1997: Beginning of Attitude EraNah the Attitude Era began in 1995 the exact moment Goldust showed up. It marked WWF's shift to gritty, edgy, and controversial. 1997 is when Vince fully figured out how to package and brand it but the AE had already been underway from late '95 through '96.
>>20730537Ok zoomie, let me debunk this for you because I watched it all when it happened>That 9.5 rating was from the overrun 5 mins>Fans of La Femme Nikita had joined in to watch their show>During the RAW hours that match remained in 7.5 rating territory>The actual match with highest rating without overrun was Rock vs Shane McMahon in 2000
>>20724705It's boring outside of the GOATed upper card, senile boomers forgot how much low and mid card trash they had to sit through to get to the good stuff. That's mostly because everyone at the time would the channel to WCW instead of watching that stuff until it was time for the main event scene so they never really watched it in the first place.
>>20736363trish for me
>>20736824What happened is people tuned in to see the motherfucking Undertaker. The GOAT of wrestling.
>>20737859Based and same
>>20722344>1999: Rock surpasses austinThat never happened even to this day Austin is more beloved than Dwayne "the I'll suck Hollywood dick and wear a dress" Johnson
>>20736402Sure hunter
>>20736402>Different landscape for media entirely anon.This was said in 2019....when Game of Thrones and Walking Dead were pulling in massive numbers. Recently Stranger Things did massive numbers. Sports on TV still does massive numbers.WWE has been shit for so long nobody cares.
>>20722344>Rock surpasses austin
>>20722649Dumb ass retard. 98 is most of the build for Austin / Shawn with Tyson, then immediately after you get Austin vs Dude Love which drew mega dimes and was kicking Nitro’s ass. The Austin / Taker / Kane feud was fine but it really only lasts for a few months before Rock turns at Survivor Series and we get the corporation, it’s the most kino year, 99 sucks in comparison and 00-01 had better wrestling overall but the shows weren’t better and less people were watching.
Retarded zoomer thread which is mostly an Austin seethe thread but all knowledge is based off WWE revisionist history lmao. The "attitude era" as we know it started in WCW.
>>20722344Except the rock isn't in any good moviesBatista is more successful than the RockAlso Rock's legacy is the reason WWE is utter dogshit now.The Samoan invasion has basically poisoned every storyline for decades now.
>>20738354>1999: Rock surpasses austinthink the only people that believe that werent around back then. vince tried to pretend like austin didnt matter after he walked out
>>20738572Yeah Austinetty was never above The Rock. The WHAT shit was just the YEET of the time.
>>20738600>The "attitude era" as we know it started in WCW.Kek no it didn't. ECW created the blueprint for edgy pro wrestling and WWF started adopting it before WCW did.
>>20738756>ECW created the blueprint for edgy pro wrestling and WWF started adopting it before WCW did.that's simply not true. watch WCW from 1996 and WWE from 1996. WWE doesn't start getting "edgy" until 97
>>20738800>that's simply not true.Except it's completely true.>WWE doesn't start getting "edgy" until 97lol. I know you won't really get it since you're a flaming homosexual and being a degenerate subhuman seems perfectly normal to you, but Goldust was edgy as absolute fuck. WWF was not only edgy before WCW was, it was also far, far edgier than WCW ever got. Trying to credit WCW for inventing the attitude era is some very bizarre headcanon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXlqF7g-tjU
>>20738756>>20738800>>20738834Imagine, it happened live in front of millions of people. There are millions still alive who witnessed it, and none of them can agree when or where it started. And this is recent history. Now imagine how much of ancient history is inaccurate headcanon.
>>20738834WWE never goes edgy without WCW kicking their ass initially. ECW definitely started it. but WCW did alternative edgy angles before WWE. Goldust was just a gay heel who makes men uncomfortable, a gimmick that had been done many times by that point. nothing edgy or subversive about it. in 97 they started to humanize characters like mankind and goldust.
>>20738621you sound like a retard
>>20739333Well at least my post was factual!
>>20738756No one outside of the north east of the US had a clue what ECW was at the time. Maybe some fat smarks trading tapes. You guys just look at the dates of things and think someone did something "first" when it had zero impact.
>>20738834Goldust was an attack on Dusty. Vince wasn't using Goldust to pioneer a new vision of wrestling.
>>20737025That makes sense, I just got to over the edge and they are running promos for fucking beaver cleavage. It's cool that everyone has a gimmick but half the gimmicks are just wanting to fuck hoes
>>20738555>This was said in 2019Because it was true then as well anon. And it's only continuing to get more and more splintered with every new streaming service and social media app. What's so hard to grasp there?
>>20738555>Game of Thrones and Walking Dead were pulling in massive numbers. Recently Stranger Things did massive numbers.Right now go look up how many people watched the last episode of Friends as it aired. Over 54 million. How many watched the last episode of GOT as it aired? 14 million. Everything is dwindling in numbers even if there are still shows that pull in bigger ones. Again everyone is so fractured into different interests and bubbles. This is far from a wrestling-exclusive thing
>>20739747>Again everyone is so fractured into different interests and bubbles. People know this is true, but it fucks with their ability to fanboy and consolewar, even outside of wrestling, so it goes unspoken of most of the time.
>>20736402Yeah young people don't realize how it was back then when everything was on just a handful of tv channels and only came on a certain time. If you missed the show you couldn't just hit the replay button and watch it whenever you felt like. If you missed the show you missed the show so you made sure watched it when it was on.
>>20739807And you wouldn't have been able to talk about it with friends the next day...
>>20739747>Right now go look up how many people watched the last episode of Friends as it aired.Irrelevant. That was a NETWORK TV show. Cable has always been different, zoomer. If WWE was good, their ratings would be double.
>>20739732>Because it was true then as well anon. And it's only continuing to get more and more splintered with every new streaming service and social media app. What's so hard to grasp there?So if it was true then, why did GoT and Walking Dead prove it wrong, retard? People will watch good things. Especially wrestling fans and ex wrestling fans. Raw on Netflix debuted to over 5 million viewers. Now it's half that every week. 5 million should be their goal, but you retards are screaming "NOOOO LANDSCAPE IS DIFFERENT". Faggots.
>>20740615>So if it was true then, why did GoT and Walking Dead prove it wrong, retard?games of thrones started in 2011, walking dead started in 2010. they might have ended in 2019 sure but they already had an audience
>>20740650>games of thrones started in 2011, walking dead started in 2010. they might have ended in 2019 sure but they already had an audienceWrestling has been on TV for decades.... And Stranger things started in 2016 and had a huge audience on Netflix. Squid Game too.
>>20740615The Netflix numbers ain't real by the way. It's just speculation, they don't publish official numbers.
>>20740666>The Netflix numbers ain't real by the way. It's just speculation, they don't publish official numbers.https://about.netflix.com/en/news/wwe-raw-wrestles-up-4-9m-global-views-for-netflix-debut
>>20740664sure and the for the amount of subscribers netflix has, for about 2 or 3 shows to be successful is terrible
>>20740687>sure and the for the amount of subscribers netflix has, for about 2 or 3 shows to be successful is terribleIrrelevant. They have other successful shows, but wrestling has a decades long built in audience that has dwindled over the years because the quality has gotten worse and worse.
>>20740694wwe themselves are happy and claim more people are watching than ever lol. i personally think it's unwatchable but whatever
>>20740706>wwe themselves are happy and claim more people are watching than ever lol.That's mathematically impossible given previous numbers (even the debut Raw numbers). They are "happy" because they can put on shit shows and their sheep fans will still buy everything they are selling.,
>>20737025>actually entertaining and good thing suckedI'm getting so tired of people doing this on this site. Current WWE is so bad, I'm not going to listen to you try and gaslight me into thinking mid card draws were shit because main eventers now suck.
>>20724705>>20737025The worst of Attitude Era WWF is 10,000x better than current WWE.
>>20741513If something is universally loved, somebody will shit on it. And vice versa.
>>20738834>but Goldust was edgy as absolute fuck.He certainly was, but he also kind of existed in his own little bubble at the time. The rest of the shows certainly weren't reflecting the level of filth that early Goldust was taking it to.The funny thing is that by the time the Atttitude Era proper really started, Goldust himself was already kind of toned down lol.
>>20740608You're literally proving my point about how media consumption has become more and more splintered as the years go by
>>20742128>You're literally proving my point about how media consumption has become more and more splintered as the years go byNo I'm not, retard. Network TV shows always brought in 20-30 million people an episode back in the 90s. But a cable show was almost always 5-8 million. The Netflix Raw DEBUT was 5 million. If I said "Raw should be getting 5 million" you would scream "MEDIA CONSUMPTION CHANGED" like an autistic retard when in reality WWE already hit that 5 million number once before.
>>20738354>>20738616kys zoomiefagvince pretended Rock didn't matter after he went to Hollywood. if austin was half as popular, he wouldn't have 50+ flop direct to DVD movies on his imdb and would be an actual draw like Rock
>>20743663the attitude era was the Austin vs McMahon era, Rock was a side character in comparison.
>>20740676That's just the press release for the debut. Other episode numbers aren't out.
>>20742431>No I'm not, retardSure you are, angry guy. You pointed out the difference from network tv to cable tv to streaming services. Each one of those split up viewers in their own way. Cable packages started having shitloads of channel options so now instead of everyone watching the same handful of programs at 8-10pm they could just watch whatever the fuck they want since everything from cooking to game shows to history to cartoons to whatever else had its own specialized 24/7 channel. Then streaming services came along and now everyone's got their own random assortment of A through Z of them but not everyone all has the same ones so people are watching shit other people have never even heard of. Then there's social media and youtube and shit. And if you compare what people were watching in 1999 and the options they had then to what there is in 2026 it's not even the same game anymore. It's just an entirely different world.It's not like the world's population decreased by any means between those years. Those same 50 million who watched the Friends finale are all still out there watching shit every day. But instead of the concentrated handful of options it used to be now there's literally an endless selection of shit to watch everywhere you look at anytime you want
>>20743785>Sure you are,Nope>angry guyHi r3ddit. What's next? "touch grass"?>You pointed out the difference from network tv to cable tv to streaming services. Each one of those split up viewers in their own way. Yes, I never said their were no differences. But you went full retard and brought network TV into a discussion about a cable tv show turned streaming tv show. You say shit like "media landscape is different", and it is, but that doesn't mean that people won't watch popular shows like GoT, Squid Game, Stranger Things, and yes WWE RAW, because RAW debuted with 5 million viewers. Now RAW bring in half that number. Cream always rises, always. WWE has done such a shit job with their shows and creating stars that nobody cares anymore. People said the same shit you are saying now in 2019, and people were watching Strangers Things, GoT and Walking Dead in huge numbers. Again, cream always rises. WWE could hit that 5 million Raw view number again if they put in an ounce of effort. But they will always have simps like you so they don't try.
>>20743799>gets mad at being called angry guy>proceeds to be really angryLmao. Lmfao even>>You pointed out the difference from network tv to cable tv to streaming services. Each one of those split up viewers in their own way. >YesGreat. Glad we have that settled
>>20743806So. Here's what I'm gonna do.I'm gonna hide this thread, and you will NEVER be able to reply to me again, because I'll be gone. Your insane seething compounded by your burning insecurities will make me live rent free in your mind and absolutely smother your pathetic limp spirit.So, I win. Enjoy seething forever, you retarded faggot jabroni bitch. Bye. :)
>>20743806>>proceeds to be really angryHow am I being angry? Be specific. Again, what's next? "Are the TV ratings in the room right now?" Fucking faggot.>Yes>Great. Glad we have that settledPure. R3ddit.
>>20743809>and you will NEVER be able to reply to me again
>>20743809>I'm gonna hide this thread, and you will NEVER be able to reply to me again, because I'll be gone. Your insane seething compounded by your burning insecurities will make me live rent free in your mind and absolutely smother your pathetic limp spirit.>So, I win. Enjoy seething forever, you retarded faggot jabroni bitch. Bye. :)I'm sorry that you are such an insecure WWE fan that you can't fathom the concept of WWE Raw hitting 5 million viewers, then them averaging half that a year+ later. Because your only answer is "media landscape different" and "lots of people watched Friends so uh, I guess that excuses WWE Raws ratings collapse". Really sad.
>>20743816>>20743813Shut the fuck up.
>>20743818> you will NEVER be able to reply to me again, SAD
>>20743825Leave me alone.
>>20743831>make threats>WAAAAH LEAVE ME ALONESAD
>>20743832That wasnt me. >>20743812Wasnt me.
>>20743841Sure thing.
>>20743709Vince vs austin ended in mid 1999, you zoomiefagAfter that it was Rock's showSmackDown was launched. It wasn't called bottomline or 3:16ROck became the hollywood megastar, not austinEvery story revolved around the Rock, not austinAnd this continued until the end of AE, when Hogan himself chose ROck to pass the torch
>>20743709Rock was a bigger star than austin since mid 1999.>Drew more than stevetty in 1999 (even meltzer confirms). Main evented WM, RR and Survivor Series.>In 2000, Rock was the undisputed top guy. Main evented WM, RR, SS.>In 2001, sans the 4 months break for Scorpion King shooting, Rock was the guy. Returned and immediately main evented SummerSlam. Main evented all Big4 PPVs.>Survivor Series - Winner Takes All match was basically all about the hierarchy in the roster, if you look at the order of eliminations. Sole survivor was the top guy.>In 2002, simpcuck was back to being a midcarder and Rock had Hogan match and the SS main event, along with Undisputed title run to pass the torch to the next guy Brock.>In 2003, was there for just 3 months and was still the guy. Main evented No Way Out, Backlash over world champions HHH and Brock.>Survivor Series 2001 - Winner Takes All match>was basically all about the hierarchy in the roster>if you look at the order of eliminations>Big slow eliminated first>Rising stars RVD and Y2J make it to the final 4>Sole survivor was THE top guy.
>>20743874I love rock but Austin was better in every way specially on the mic. People who lived the 90s know this and that's the bottom line cause I fucking said so.
>>20722344very sad that wrestling only had 6 good years in the 90 years it has been around like LMAO what a shit fake sport
>>20722344Joshipedos flooding spammingdid aew got BTFO?
>>20743973>Austin was better in every way specially on the micLMAOaustin sucked hard. Rock was superior in every aspect: looks, mic skills, in-ring skills, athleticism, drawing power, starpower
