>>21018754
>leg slapping bad
>boot stomping good

get em

>>21018754
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT SLAP YOUR LEG, YOU HAVE TO DO AN EXAGGERATED GAY LOOKING STOMP
>BECAUSE....... BECAUSE YOU JUST DO, OK??????

>>21018754
Bret is correct as usual

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>>21018754

Bret hates the Shawnification of wrestling

Wrestling should ban finishers for an entire year. They can use them, but never win a match with it. Too predictable. Everyone has to lose from a crossbody roll up/roll over, a school boy, a KO blow from a ring post, chair, illegal object, a random submission, or force the two workers to come up with something completely new/original

it is pretty bad overall now desu. Pro wrestling never looked particularly real but I don't like being reminded how fake and cooperative shit is multiple times most matches as they chase spot after spot

>>21018807
try not being a smark
if you stop focusing on things like "spots" you probably won't get as upset by them

>>21018810
>just close your eyes and your mouth and enjoy the match

>>21018815
unironically, yes. just enjoy it. or stop watching for a while and come back. but at the point you're using "spot" casually, you are not going to have fun watching wrestling if noticing the cooperative nature of it upsets you.

the luchaificiton of both WWE and AEW means it's only going to get worse

>>21018754
HBK Chad here.
Based hitman shitting on "modern wrestling"

>>21018795
>They can use them, but never win a match with it.
That's already happening. Everyone has to hit their finish at least 2 times.

Based hitman with the bullseye

>>21018759
leg slapping has zero psychology
boot stomping can at least be bullshited into "driving the sole of your foot into the mat makes your punches land harder"

>>21018810
>>21018818
What the fuck is this logic? Lesnar vs Eddie had tons of spots where they helped each other but I can still watch it without cringing myself to death like I do with a typical Young Cucks match. The problem with modern wrestlers is that they put zero effort in trying to make it look real. ALL of them go by the "It's not real anyway" logic.

>>21018754
old news
old bret
thanks for updating us slowtaku

>>21018959
cope more

>>21018754
Bret never misses. Trannies and E-pigs can’t cope. It’s over.

>>21018986
slap your thighs less.

>>21019011
only thighs getting slapped are your mothers, bitch

>>21019024
nah she has shit psychology. but I fucked your grandma up with my boot stomping. and then I fucked her.

>>21019003
Nothing about this looks real. Michaels is literally giving him his head for no reason. Hart is stomping on the ground to make sound with his punches, no different from thigh slapping. No one puts their hand on the back of someone's head to throw a punch, that opens you up for a counter punch because you literally can't use your arm to block anymore, which is just basic boxing technique. and michaels is falling over like he's getting clotheslined instead of punched at the top of his head.

>>21018754
>NoDQ.com
I miss NoDQ CAW man

>>21018754
He's not wrong. I just watch the vault channels now.

>>21018754
El correcto statemento

bret is the GOAT and he's right as always

>>21019097
The jumps are barely noticeable, it looks like it does give more momentum to his punches while the thigh slap just looms ridiculous, especially now that the camera work in every promotion isn't very good

>>21018754
Never spoken a word of lie. Based GOAT.

>>21019097
It's so funny seeing you Aewtrannies trying so hard to scrutinize actual good wrestling when deep down you know even that webm completely mogs everything in your tranny fed. Your "criticisms" don't work when you people clap like seals to Young Bucks flippyshit spots.

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>>21018970
that's because you like gay WWE slop and don't like anything that isn't WWE slop. so you find a retarded reason to justify that like
>it is obviously cooperative but it doesn't make me angry like the other matches that are obviously cooperative!
no one can help you stop being a queer

As usual, Bret is right.

The problem with wrestling now is that nobody wants to piss off the audience, which is a necessary step

Leg slapping works when it's not overdone and no one is looking for it.
Now that everyone is doing it, it's just lame.
This is the problem with pro-wrestling in general. There are shortcuts that can be taken that, in isolation, can be awesome but when they're overexposed look lame as fuck. And the whole business is leaning into this shit.
Going back to clean basics is fresh as daisies. The Oiwa/Uemura match showed us that.

>>21019906
>The Oiwa/Uemura match showed us that
no, it didn't. it was a good match, nothing revolutionary about it though and spamming like this is just going to make people annoyed and hate it for no reason.

>>21019919
For fuck's sake man, I just mentioned it.
Not even allowed to talk about good shit that happens in this business anymore. This is why wrestling is fucking dead, it's people like (You).

>>21019928
nah it's mostly dead because of vince mcmahon, zoomers, and british wrestling fans in general (all ages)

>>21019934
They're a part of it, sure, but then we have people who police what we're even able to enjoy and talking about.
Pro-wrestling is built on good shit happening and then people telling other people, "Holy shit, take a look at this." But now we've got the wrestling police, who come into every conversation and say, "Nah, this good thing you enjoyed is actually total dog shit, stop talking about it because you're going to over expose it."
The match was a breath of fucking fresh air. Not perfect but reflective of the direction the business should be moving right now so other stuff can eventually be fresh again too. It was pertinent to the conversation and I resent being told to shut up about it.

>>21019942
>Nah, this good thing you enjoyed is actually total dog shit
no one said that, get ahold of yourself

>>21019961
It was hyperbole to drive home a point. I understand that you said it was good.
But the point is we should be able to talk about good things that happen in pro-wrestling. That's what drives the business and how you prevent those good trends from falling between the cracks.

>>21019968
ok well almost every reference ive seen to the match here has been victim of the same "hyperbole" probably mostly by people who didn't even watch it. i guess i would caution you that if you're willing to stretch hyperbole to mean "make up something that wasn't said to feel victimized about" one may begin wonder what else you do that about lol

>>21019982
I watched it, enjoyed it, thought it was a breath of fresh air, and found myself wishing more wrestling was like it. I'm sick of flippy shit and everything going out of the ring and ref bumps and chop fests and a lot of the other tendencies we've seen as of late in NJPW as well as other companies.
All I'll say is this. If we don't talk about good shit, the people who praise all the crappy shit will just drown out the conversation and we'll just get more of that crappy shit.

>>21018783
That’s literally all it is. I mean, WWE and AEW are in fact gay, but Bret specifically dislikes how “Shawnified” it’s become

>>21018795
They should just go back to doing them once, MAYBE twice if it’s a PPV. Each wrestler getting their shit in three times a match is fucking lame. Taker and Shawn ruined wrestling

>>21018810
That’s not what the problem is. Wrestling has always had spots. The problem is that they’re so choreographed now instead of just being a thing that happened randomly before the three count

>>21019003
soul. nu wrestlers could never

>>21019097
Yes because backflips and styles clashes are more realistic right?

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More truth nukes by the second greatest wrestler God ever blessed us with

>>21020019
Yeah, spots are good. But when you start seeing a spot often or variations on a spot, they start to be not so good.
As an aside, this is one of the problems that plagues current Stardom. They've had good matches and still have good matches. But if you watch long enough you notice that your average match on a smaller show usually has the same spots strung together that you've already seen countless times. It's impressive the first time you see it but less so after you've seen it a hundred times, and I say that as someone who's generally been rather vocal about promoting Stardom around here and in other places.

>>21020029
nothing in wrestling looks realistic unless you are 8 years old or retarded or both

>>21020001
Last time I checked NJPW was a few months ago and I shoot thought it was that DDT fed that anons keep posting outrageous webms of

This guy could be given a million dollars and still make it seem negative

>>21020039
To be fair, all Japanese wrestling has goofy shit in it and always has had it. People think NJPW is just bangers for the hardcores but its primary target audience is Japanese casuals, who like fun and stupid stuff just like Americans do.
DDT is a special example though because they really lean into that stuff. But a lot of the stuff they do isn't out of place elsewhere, it's just not found in the same quantities.

>>21018754
>influenced generations of workrate shitters
>gets upset

Wrestling is presently the best it has ever been and performers are the healthiest and most athletic they have ever been.

The time of seeing how much nothing you can do to get over because you are a blown up alcoholic wreck or fighting other blown up alcoholic wrecks is finished. Performers now want to show what they can really do and let loose. We are in a blessed time.

>>21020105
> Performers now want to show what they can really do and let loose.
But it's shit no one wants to watch because if I want to see gymnastics I'll go to a Cirque du Soleil show. And if I want to see good story lines and characters I'll just watch practically any other television show.
I just want to see wrestling. Most of the shit today ain't wrestling.

>>21020110
ok grandpa
maybe you should go watch cirque du soleil it's probably more fitting for your crybaby affect

>>21020111
Concession accepted.

>>21020105
Nobody is saying they need to do 360 days a year anymore, but current wrestling is this glossy "product" whose Saudi and Israeli influence stinks up the whole product. You couldn't get someone kicking back against it nowadays like a Steve Austin, despite it desperately needing that, because corporate would shoot that guy immediately for not following a script and surrendering his whole ass.

>>21018795
On the contrary, finishers should be protected and wrestlers aren't allowed to kick out from finishers. It's too much kickouts

>>21020105
>Wrestling is presently the best it has ever been
Hardly, but it is arguably the best it has ever been for jobbers, chill guys happy with the midcard, and all the 40-year-olds passing the top belts back-and-forth.

>>21018959
nta but what's the psychology of holding onto Bret's foot so he can figure-4 you around the ring post? no different than holding yourself up on the ropes waiting for Alberto Del Rio to stomp your chest
while I'm at it why does it seem like the bottom Seth Rollins is able to lift his opponent's head up just before a curb stomp?

>>21018754
Based

>>21018759
Correct
It's not black/white, it's about reeling it in enough to keep the suspension
Leg slapping is far more obvious and phony than just bringing your foot down as your punch, stomping adds to the motion, it isn't where the audience is looking and so it's not really an offensive concession for them to make, relative to slapping your thigh near exactly where their eyes are drawn.

>>21020105
>Wrestling is presently the best it has ever been
I also began watching in the 2010s and have no sense of nuance because I am brown

>>21018754
I always agree with Bret's opinion on pretty much anything, but ESPECIALLY when it comes to anything in-ring

>>21020540
>Leg slapping is far more obvious and phony than just bringing your foot down as your punch, stomping adds to the motion
correction, both look fake and gay, pretending other wise just makes you a disingenuous smark

>>21020562
Nope, lots of things in wrestling are fake. It's about finding how fake you can make it before the returns start to diminish
Wrestling shouldn't look like a real fight, it's just about not looking like an aggressively fake one

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>It WAS a gay magazine.
>Bulldog had the best match of his life outta him even while completely fucked up
>literally carried Big Daddy Bitch's ass to the best match of his career as well
>wrestling sucks ass nowadays because Shawn's style of wrestling is to sell like a big floppy cock instead of making it look realistic and like a fight. Shawn is what gave us The Young Bucks.
>punched Vince in the face and lived to tell the tale.. Been calling bitch a fag before everyone else.
>other wrestlers are broke, fucked up, and for some reason losing their legs a lot lately. Meanwhile, Bret's getting drunk in his own fucking bar dedicated to himself, cheering on The Calgary Hitmen hockey team, Dallas and Blade Hart's Dungeon Wrestling, and plapping his black wife every night
>no one knows how to sell, moves, finishers, punches, fuck all, but its not like they now can't watch hundreds of hours of Hitman matches online in between their video game tutorials
>Trips is shitting the bed like he always was going to and tanking the industry faster than Stu ran through Cadillacs..
>gave GayEW the rub by presenting its yardtard world title and peaced the fuck out once the cheque cleared
>literally right about everything. Could give less than a fuck about your feelings; he calls it how he sees and speaks from his heart. Cuts better promos as a grumpy senior than he ever did in his career.
Best there is...Best there was...Best there ever will be.

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>>21018754
>Refuses to job out of pride and will end up taking the belt to the competition
>Thinks he convinced Bischoff not to say he has said belt.
>Has to have belt taken away to prevent another Medusa incident.
>Cry to the papers and expose the business in a way WCW never did.
>"Modern wrestling is too phoney."
He should have thought of that before he cried to the papers. Kayfabe would eventually die. But he gets the dubious honor of being the one to put it down.

>>21018754
He's got nothing to say about finisher spam?

>>21020573
show me an instance of a boxer of MMA fighter doing gay exaggerated stomps when they throw punches. shit find a street fight between two hillbillies where they do this. dont worry, I'll wait.

>>21018981
>>21018984
>>21018988
Did Bret really tell this?

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>>21018754
I assume he's talking about Johnny Gargano. Just him in particular

>>21020816
I was thinking this. Just the thigh slapping? That's it, Bret? Not that and all the other crap? kek. Guy can't criticize anything without being neurotic.

>>21020543
I’m 38
Posing, posturing, and doing promos during matches to kill time is not nuance. This is just more bodybuilder modeling Vinceism bullshit.

In ring today is infinitely better than it was in it’s past, largely because talent are now healthy enough to really go all out and want to go all out.

>>21020828
You seem to have completely misread the point of the post pal, here let me repeat it
>Wrestling shouldn't look like a real fight, it's just about not looking like an aggressively fake one
I can compartmentalize punch stomps and irish whips a lot more than I can compartmentalize thigh slaps.

>>21018754
Not enough hair pulling for Brets taste

>>21018754
We know

>>21018754
Based hitman.
Best there ever is, was and will be.
Should of called out those cucks ftr while he was at it

>>21021072
ok, and exaggerated stomps look aggressively fake. you picking and choosing what looks fake or not according to your gay and or boomer tastes is subjective.

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>>21021186
No they don't because the attention is drawn upward toward the punch so it's a perfectly acceptable small sin that doesn't detract or interfere with the viewer's observation of the motion
Compared to seeing a guy kick and slap the same leg he's kicking with not bothering to cover it up

>>21019046
No you didnt, shes fuckin tough as hell

>>21018754
okay what's his problem

>>21019003
Lol.

The anti smarks and smarks are retarded on this rivalry.

Reason why this is real because BOTH MEN hated each other IRL and in the Business


>>21019547
Never watched a Young Bucks Match at all award.

And no. GAYEW doesn’t count.

>>21019906
Boring Basics > Russo and Ferrara Slop

>>21018754
I like Bret but he's said on record HHH has never had a good match.

I can name 20 off the top right now that are good to great. With a select few being outstanding.

>>21020063
Njpw during its peak presented itself as an actual martial art and used its percived legitimacy to attract a much wider audience than what they have now. It was never goofy and silly during it's peak. Quite the opposite.

>>21018783
Bret always respected Shawn’s in-ring work. He just (correctly) identified him as a total faggot. It’s not like Goldberg where he fucking despises everything about him.

>>21021233
yes, they do, and no amount of disingenuous smark logic bullshit changes that

>>21018754
he's right for once

>>21022482
I accept your concession

>>21018754
I agree with this 100%. It's hard to care about the matches when it's just how many spots you can do in one match. Good wrestling should start slow and build to something rather than just be full tilt from beginning to end. Spot monkey matches have huge diminishing returns compared to real pro wrestling, sure they're fun to watch and say ooh and ahh to all the stunts but ultimately they go in one ear and out the other because there's no substance or emotion to them.
nuwrestling is designed for people whose attention span has been destroyed by short form content and watching multiple screens at once

>>21022606
Very much this.
It's why everyone's singing the praises of that Oiwa/Uemura match.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaybsta

>>21022606
Also, as an aside, if you like slow builds and don't have a problem with women's matches, I think you'll like this one if you've never seen it before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CvvdjXWPvY

The pavlovian response smarks have to the sound of a leg slap needs to be studied.

>>21020835
It's a shitpost you fucking mark.

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Jesus was the son of God, who created the heavens and the Earth
>Bret is the son of Stu Hart who created The Dungeon and some of the greatest pro wrestlers ever.
Jesus was the leader of The Disciples
>Bret was the leader of The Hart Foundation
Jesus befriended a prostitute
>Bret was friends with Sunny
Jesus performed miracles such as turning water into wine
>Bret performed miracles such as getting good matches out of Kevin Nash
Jesus fed five thousand people with just five loaves of bread and two fishes
>Bret entertained eighty thousand people with just one match, one Intercontinental championship belt and one completely fucked up British Bulldog
Jesus was tempted with dominion over all earthly kingdoms, but refused
>Bret was tempted with a spot in the all-powerful Kliq, but refused
The crowed chose Barabbas over Jesus at the Passover Feast
>The crowd chose Austin over Bret at WrestleMania 13
Jesus was betrayed by Judas
>Bret was betrayed by Earl Hebner
Jesus died in Calvary
>Bret was born in Calgary, and will most likely die there as well
Jesus' body disappeared from the tomb three days after the Crucifixion
>Bret's in-ring career disappeared three years after The Screwjob
Jesus was killed by Jews
>Bret's in-ring career was killed by a Jew
Jesus had holes in his palms as a result of how his life on Earth ended
>Bret has a quarter-sized hole in his neck as a result of how his wrestling career ended
Jesus gave up his life to protect us from our sins, and to give people an opportunity for salvation
>Bret gave up his wrestling career to protect Austin and The Rock from The Kliq, and to give fans the Attitude Era

Have you praised our Lord and Saviour Bret Hart today?

>>21022398
Bret Hart hates jews? Okay he really is giga based

>>21020505
It was a gay magazine

>shit on gay leg slappers who can't work
>shit on gay choppa merchants who can't work
>shit on gay men posing in gay magazines
how can one man be so based

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>>21018754
You want things to be good, Bret? Go to a performance center to teach these green fucks you lazy fuck

>>21020105
>performers are the healthiest
This is true since most of them are faggots who only do gov-approved drugs
>and most athletic they have ever been.
Lmao, delusional. Older guys were actual athletes, most wrestlers nowadays are geeks who never lifted a single weight before 20 which is why even when they can do a million flips they still look sluggish as hell. Just compare RVD to Ospreay.

Based Bret 100% correct again. Modern wrestling is just flippy spots that can be cut together for a tiktok clip.

Bill Goldberg

>>21020037
TRVKE

>>21019097
They can't refute you. Look at the replies. kek.

No one can work anymore.

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>>21020105
>Wrestling is presently the best it has ever been

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>>21026326
Why? Why give time, money, effort just to feed a beast that hates him? Cuz the coconut theatre group with executive producer Paul can't even learn to put a goddamn sharpshooter on to save their lives. And with the attention span kids have these days, going over 50 years worth of Stampede footage can't undo the damage less than a few years of PWG did to the industry by letting anime loving video game nerd flippy shitters free reign to be the big dumb faggots that they could possibly be.

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>>21018754
he is absolutely correct. bret was the only one who was ever based enough to call out shawn michaels as a fag. YES MODERN WRESTLING IS A GAY MAGAZINE.

>>21019003
>>21019097
Objectively wrong.
>Giving him his head for no reason
Fighters drop their guard. Especially once hit and rattled, especially if they're cocky. Anderson Silva did worse in legit fights.
>Stomps
Several traditional martial arts involve stepping into deeper stances for punches, they don't look the exact same but it's similar enough and not distracting, it looks like he's dropping into a stance or shifting in on each punch.
>Hand on head
Bret's arm is inside Michaels arm Shawn can't counter with that hand easily and the punch is coming across the other way he's not going to punch there. Gripping the head holds the target stopping Shawn dodging. If you've not seen bar fights where someone tries to get a fistfull of hair with one hand and punch with the other you're sheltered. Besides they're wrestlers their instinct is to grapple.
>Basic boxing technique
They're wrestlers not boxers
>Falling over like clotheslined
Maybe Shawn is frail. Maybe he's bumping to try get down and away instead of peppered with combos so Bret's grabbing his head to stay on him.

There is nothing about webm that doesn't work in wrestling kayfabe, nothing.

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>"Oh, I'm no queer!"
Legit shook that Bret would even go there.
And they say he was bad at promos...

>>21018810
If you know what smark means, you're a smark

>>21018754
Being a wrestler is like being a magician
If you see the magician putting the cards/coins up their sleeve, they have failed the trick
If you see a wrestler helping their opponent do moves to themselves, they have failed the trick

>>21019003
This really isn't that different from how Cena throws punches. You guys think this looks real?

>>21027837
Yes, because Bret fights growing up, so he would know.