steve austin wasn't a draw, the company was a draw. you could've put any other WWF star in his place and they would've done the same business if not better. stunning steve couldn't draw flies to shit
>>21020045lolthe company was the anti-draw then, Reignsfag
>>21020045hmmm interesting i guess that's why WW"E" turned to absolute shit as soon as he stopped wrestling
if you say so zoom zoom
This post reads like the speculations by pseudo-historians that the economic recovery coming out of the Great Depression could have been better if we had done [insert their pet economic theory backed by the economic gurus they've decided to put their faith in].Fact is, it happened as it happened, the result is what it is, and any second guessing that it could have been better otherwise is just people talking out of their asses. It's easy to backseat drive history when you've never had to make a truly consequential decision in your entire life.
>>21020060Austin, Rock, Hitman, Taker, Hogan, Nash, Foley, Goldberg. The true big business Draws of the 90s. Really most of them left or went part time which caused decline of the company.
goldberg was the only true individual draw of the attitude era
>>21020083>NashI think Razor deserves more credit than Nash
>>21020045>you could've put any other WWF star in his placeThere was nobody elseIn the wake of Wrestlemania 14, the only established main eventers who were even remaining in the WWF were Steve Austin and the UndertakerEveryone else was either gone, or wasn't a top guy yet
STEVEAMANIA RUNS WILD
>>21020101Yeah, take a look at NJPW after AEW and WWE snatched up it upper and top cards. That's largely where WWF was at the time.I was Team WCW back in the day and have never been a huge WWF/E guy but it really speaks to McMahon's genius (as well as the genius of those he had around him) that he was able to build back after that because pretty much any other company would have sank into obscurity.
>>21020045Facts is Stone Cold Steve Austin was played by Steve Austin. Arguably the greatest ever. You just need to accept it'll be a long time before another Stone Cold will grace the wrestling world with such presence.
Steve Austin was the GOAT. /thread
>>21020612the GOAT of antidraws
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>>21020122Going to need some context for this?
>>21020045worst thread on the board by a milecongrats
>>21023677i think this is when Steve was with ecw. I don't believe he ever wrestled there. He just did a few promos for them.
>>21023700How about you share with us some of the big dimes threads you've created lately chief
>>21023677For the first half of the 90s Austin was in WCW, as a low card heel. By 1993, Rick Flair returned to WCW after being in exile and took a liking to Austin and promised him a lengthy storyline for 1994 where Flair ad Austin would feud and Austin would elevated top top heel status opposite Flair....The Hogan happened Hogan getting signed meant Flair had to turn heel and Austin got screwed out of his main event elevation. Adding to this, Hogan got his cronies from the WWF jobs at WCW and Austin was forced to work with Hacksaw Jim Dugan; culminating in a PPV match that saw Austin reduced to pure jobber status and losing in humiliating fashion.The loss embittered Austin and story goes (at least as told by Scott Keith), Austin demanded and got a meeting with Eric Bischoff and Bischoff straight up said to Austin that even though they never interacted up to that point in life, Hogan just didn't like him and that so long as Hogan was in WCW, Austin would never get any sort of push and be put on permanent jobber duty.
>>21023715Austin came out of that meeting with a hatred of Hogan and Bischoff (who Austin felt had betrayed him since he was all for Austin getting made a main enter working opposite Flair). But especially Hogan.Realizing Austin would never accept his permanent Zach Ryder type jobber status, Austin was let out of his contract early on condition that he couldn't go to WWE right away. So Austin went to ECW, where he was given free reign to reinvent himself. Austin did a bunch of parody characters shitting on Hogan and Bischoff, along with the early stages of what became the Stone Cold character via Heyman letting him drink beer as part of the promo.
>>21023700>haha I worked you by posting this>yeah it's retarded and a fucking waste of time and space, but if I worked you then that makes it worth it>I have a very vibrant social life btw
>>21020084The ratings say Macho Man, and Warrior
>>21023743>>21023715Thanks for the informative posts anon, appreciate it
>>21020095Nash was one of the guys to be World Champion in both Companies. Absolutely deserves top status.
>>21020045In the American promotion, the United States Championship is not the top title.The World Heavyweight Champion and the United States Champion are two different titles, because the USA is not part of the world apparentlyWorld Heavyweight Championship title but the US is the only country in the world (besides Canada and Mexico) that actually gives a damn about wrestling
>>21023702He had two matches, one against Mikey Whipwreck and a three way against Whipwreck and The Sandman.
>>21024282Here's another one. Austin was a ham and egger and all his matches sucked in WCW. In WWE, before being carried by Bret, he was was third fiddle to HBK and Sid. After Bret carried him, Austin relied heavily on the fact that Bret was screwed by the boss and gone without any redemption, so Austin slid right into Bret's spot as the guy to get payback for Vince's crimes. That's it. That's Austin's claim to fame. Being put in the spot to go over the ultimate heel in the ultimate revenge arc because of Bret Hart. All the while, constantly replaying his 3:16 promo every week like it was the biggest moment in sports history ever, when no even saw or gave a damn at the time. Once that ran its course what did Austin do? Came out, gave everyone the finger and stunner, drank some beers and did the same promo like everyone else on the roster and had the same match over and over. Then that wore out FAST, so they turned him and he became a comedy act. Not exactly top guy, top draw, main event status. WWE rightfully went with the Rock instead, and when he wanted to go to Hollywood, they wanted Lesner to take that spot, but he flaked, and they wanted Orton to, but he fucked up numerous times, so they were left with the biggest shill sycophant sociopath, Cena, and they forced him on everyone, whether they wanted it or not. Essentially driving off over 4 million viewers. Those viewers were NOT built by Austin or Bret, or even WWE. No one was interesting in wrestling AT ALL, during 94-95. Then when Hogan turned heel and nWo built a lil momentum, every kid who was a WWE fan came back to wrestling as a teenager, to watch WWF larpers invade WCW. Eventually, the vanilla midgets made people change the channel, and they usually saw Sable or Sunny, or some other skank wearing string bikinis and parading around. So Austin didn't even draw fans during the Attitude era. He was just THERE. a produce of his environment. An environment built by Hogan, where everyone thrived.
>>21024431I was too young to be watching at the time but informative nonetheless. Im sure others will disagree though
>>21020084Truthnuke
>>21023715>>21023743based hulkster knew that austin wasn't worth a shit
>>21020078That part
>>21024299I heard rumors he was more of a bottom guy
>>21020045Like the Rock, Austin gets GOAT points deducted for not drawing in multiple companies the way Hogan did in AWA, WWF, and WCW. That's the *true* way to determine if it's the company being the undisputed draw or not. The only way to know for sure is if Austin had the Stone Cold gimmick in WCW, but he didn't. Likewise, Hogan wasn't a real draw until the Rocky movie and going full Hulkamania.
>>21023715>Bischoff straight up said to Austin that even though they never interacted up to that point in life, Hogan just didn't like himCould be true. Then again, Bischoff seems the type of guy who'd bury you and say it's someone else's fault. Even now, the guy can't accept the blame for his bad decisions in WCW and TNA, almost 30 years later.
Another c0l1n hemorhroids thread because austin didnt sign his tshit
>>21023743>Hogan created Stone Coldholy
