yup
>>21026214How do you hear something that’s non-existent? Fucking moron.
>>21026214just say "the crowd was weird" and move on
how are you supposed to react to two mexican manlets doing a gymnastics routine? serious question
>>21026230>doing a gymnastics routine?you cant react to wrestlers doing highflying moves you retard?
>if the crowd thinks a match at a wrestling show is bad it's the crowd's fault and not the wrestlers' fault
>>21026230wrestling is fake it is a gymnastics routine lmfaoo
>>21026233i dont know why theyre fighting. i dont know their personalities. im not invested in the story. am i meant to just clap like a seal that two half naked guys are jumping around like monkeys? im sorry but i need a story to be entertained
>>21026244most bloodline fans would say this cause thats the only thing they understand
>>21026214that part
E drones are subhuman
>>21026244>im sorry but i need a story to be entertainedE-drones are women lol
The crowd was hot from the get go and somehow survived two heatless lucha bangers and a Lyra match and still made it screaming to the end of the show thanks to Gable and Rey
>as big as they are
>>21026214Oh no the crowd wasn’t erupting for a Captain Start and Stop Push and El Hijo de Masked Guy who’s never been on Raw.
>>21026249Trump it.Vote it.Inaugurate it.
>>21026229Well said
>>21026214True. NXT and AAA both have better crowds than the main roster crowds. Main roster crowds are only good when they are overseas.
>this was an incredible match. no one in the crowd cared about it, it meant nothing, and it featured two literal who's but WOW!how did wrestling get to this point and how do we fix it?
>>21026230>you cant react to wrestlers doing highflying moves you retard?>>21026240>wrestling is fake it is a gymnastics routine lmfaooZoomers are so retarded. Go watch old matches from the 80s and 90s. The matches looked like 2 men fighting each, now it's like a choreographed dance.
>>21026214I literally enjoy lucha and AEW and this shit wasnt even good. Why people gotta act like this was a good match just cus lucha?
>>21026268No shit streamer fans are much more parasocial than any other fans bar K-pop shit
>>21026359>Go watch old matches from the 80s and 90s.this bitch wants me to watch hulk hogan and andre the giant matches lol
>>21026214What reason do they have to two random maked midgets?
>>21026214The crowd did cheer for Lee tho, when he won they popped, so either I'm listening to the show on volume too high or these guys have it too low
>>21026214Crowds suck and have sucked for awhile, at least when they go to a different country the fans sound loud albeit they always have to do their shitty soccer chants and are trying to get over. Kinda. damned if you do, damned if you dont. I clearly remember the crowds from WCW and WWF and how all that churned out the liberal fan base we have now will always confuse me
people paid to be entertained, not to be entertaining
>Smark larpers have never heard of japan-style respectful silence lelAlso I'm not watching raw for drago lee vs el hijo del fuckwitio
>>21026214but the fake wrestlers goal is to pop the crowdit's a live play
>>21026230"I only get excited when the island nigger yells yeet!"
>>21026214It’s almost like wrestling needs investment, investment into characters requires characters worth investing into. mask flippy guy 72 isn’t a character. WWE isn’t AEW. WWE used to actually be popular and have actual stars. They aren’t indie with indie fans. That product does not work globally. Big characters, big stakes, big storylines do.
>>21026233>you cant react to wrestlers doing highflying moves you retard?why would I? I've already seen every flip a thousand times
>>21026709>WWE isn’t AEW.wwe isnt professional is what you're saying
>>21026773True, WWE needs more wrestlers comparing themselves to anime characters, it's true.
>>21026680i didnt say that
>>21026214>is proven right year after year in your path
>>21026214>neuters library of approved moves for decades>forces all wrestlers to wrestle in kiddy style for decades>even stops calling themselves a wrestling company>"why isn't the remaining crowd hyped about workrate?!"
>>21026244You are supposed to understand their personalities visually
Incredible how epigs are defending dead crowds.
>>21027838They can relate
>>21027838ignore smarks were defending it for years as respectful silence
>MASK GUY vs. MASK GUY
The AAA partnership has to be the gayest thing WWE has ever doneLiterally no one cares about them
>>21026214AEW had a show where the biggest thing that came from it was that no-one in the crowd gave a fuck about anything. It's not some WWE only thing. Crowds sometimes don't react much. It's just the nature of the business.You also have to work the crowd to get heat. If you go back to that classic Angle vs Benoit match at Rumble 2003, the crowd had to be worked to get into it, but by the end they were on their feet. A lucha match in the USA can't just do flips and expect cheers. People have seen guys no-sell Mexican Destroyers, so you can't just flip and expect the crowd to go nuts.
>>21027838After they spent the past week talking about how quiet the crowd was during the Ospreay/Omega promo they immediately flip flopped to defend the fed for having shit crowds. PiggiEs have no integrity whatsoever, just defend WWE like mindless NPCs. That's why we call them drones.
>>21026358Smarks have been overrating this shit since WCW's cruiser-weight division. The crowds back then were just as dead for this shit as they are today.
>>21029068It's not a problem with the style of wrestling no matter how much you try to deflect. The problem is WWE's retarded mouth breathing fanbase.
>>21029076yes yes you're of an elite intellectual caliber because you like flippy heatless bangerinos and everybody else is retarded for not liking it, have fun explmaining that to the nice people in white that visit you for the rest of your life in a padded room at the puzzle factory
>>21029089Damn bro you don't have to cry
>>21026214>>21026230>>21026225>>21026229>>21026237the crowd was hot as fuck for Rey during that Rey Chad match. the mexicans must be shitters.
>>21026268Is this person being sarcastic? Tiffany Stratton isn't an A-list celebrity. No current wrestlers are.
>>21026244this
>>21026346foreigners just love oba, trick and jvon
>>21026385>>21026379>>21026346the crowd was loud as fuck for the Rey vs Chad match. they just didn't care about 2 wetbacks doing gymnastics. I fast forwarded through that shit too. When I watch AAA I skip all the wetback on wetback matches and only watch when WWE wrestlers show up
>>21031523Has nothing to do with race, chuddy. The fed gives people zero reason to give a fuck about Dragon Lee because they can't tell stories for shit and Dr. Wagner Jr is a nepobaby shitter. If the crowd doesn't like wetbacks then why did they pop for Rey
>>21027838the crowd wasn't even dead. they were loud as fuck for Chad vs Rey. they just didn't care about 2 wetbacks doing more flips per flip. that was one of the loudest RAW crowds I've seen in a while. It was almost as loud as that Minnesota RAW where they kept doing the>That's Chad Gable>No it's notchants
>>21031534>Has nothing to do with race, chuddy.it does. the wetbacks keep doing wetback style wrestling that doesn't really translate to the US. Guys like Rey and Eddie knew how to sell themselves and Eddie was super charismatic, but the stuff mexicans generally do and want to see isn't the same as the stuff Americans want to do or see. same thing with japan. The hottest Luchador on RAW was Chad Gable for a good period of time because Chad knows how to work a crowd.>why did they pop for ReyBecause Rey's wrestled for like 50 years and he knows how to work a crowd and was working with a generational talent
>>21029029'Carder has done a really good job at booking WWE talent in AAA, but most of the AAA talent is kind of boring and doesn't work outside of AAA or NXT.
>>21029064they didn't even have a shit crowd. the crowd was loud as fuck, they just didn't care about 2 literally who mexicans having a le calienteless bangerino
>>21029076>It's not a problem with the style of wrestlingit is. no one cares about to literally whos doing muh flips per flip
>>21031553Dragon Lee would translate really well to the American crowd, he is really good at English and makes even shitters like Gunther have a good match but he hasn't been used in the slightest, if they gave him even a little bit of a personality other than the gay dragon wings then why do you expect these drones to give a fuck? All that matters to them is personality, whether it's a coon a wetback or a gook it doesn't matter but you can't expect them to give a fuck about Dragon when no one even remembers the last time he spoke on camera.
They should just do more international shows. Wrestling isn’t seen as fake and gay in other countries(yet). I hope they do more international shows so the crowds start truly realizing how shit wwe really is. I would love to see the crying and seething on twitter from wrestlers getting deafening boos. Especially the women when they botch over and over
>>21031570>it is. no one cares about to literally whos doing muh flips per flipcalling yourself retarded lol
>>21031578>Dragon Lee would translate really well to the American crowd,even the mexicans hate Dragon Lee. When they had that 4 way AAA match between El Grande, Dom, Dragon Lee and that one dimeless faggot the crowd booed the shit out of Dragon Lee and cheered for Dom and El Grande even thought they were both heels. Dragon Lee just sucks dick. he's ass in the ring, his style suck and he should be deported to gayew
>>21031582>they did a fliperino, it doesn't look like real fighting but muh flipsyou are gay and retarded>>21031581foreigners are happy so long as oba and trick show up
>>21031612retard wrestling is fake af and you're still watching and clapping like a faggot
>>21031621not when 2 dimeless mexican faggots in masks are going at it.
>>21031606Lol I agree I think he would do way better in AEW but in my opinion he is too good in the ring to be appreciated in front of crowds that don't care about good wrestling in my opinion. I actually wasn't aware the AAA crowd hated him but you also need to keep in mind that crowd in particular are the equivalent of e-drones but in mexico. They don't care about wrestling or even lucha traditions for that matter they just wanna see fat assed luchadoras and El Grande Americano take their women.
>21031643this guy likes dick up his ass
>>21026230How do you react to inevitable white genocide? Serious question.
>>21031643No one likes mexicans or indians
>>21031653>two Mexican manlets is White genocideSpoken like a true, coddled suburban homo.
>>21031651you don't need to tell me you like dicks in your ass>>21031645WWE crowds care about good wrestling. they were hot as fuck for Chad and he's the best in the ring wrestler. Same thing with AAA, they were hot as fuck for every one of Chad's matchesmuh flips per flip doesn't make someone good in the ring. flippy shit is boring
>>21031680damn everyone this retard knows everything about wrestling he should start a podcast
>>21026214I'm going through the match and the crowd isn't that quiet, actually it's deafening when compared to the Omega/Ospreay segment
>>21031684you're just mad that no one cares about you dragon lee, it's because you're a flippy dimeless faggot
>>21031680Flippy shit can be good when it is right the person and I like Dragon Lee's flippy shit. Rey Mysterio is a flippy guy. You are right they do care to some extent but only when the right characters and personalities are also present in which case Dragon Lee has neither an established character or a personality. But a lot of that isn't even his fault which is my point. He's better off going to AEW because at this point he will never be given a chance grow. Which is really fucked up because you have Paul HHH going on about "good things come to those who wait" like an idiot meanwhile Dragon Lee has knocked the ball out of the park with every opportunity he has been given for the past 3 years and is never given a sliver of TV time to help establish his persona. Evil company.
>>21031708Rey actually looks like something, Dragon Ree looks like just another generic luchador CAW with a faggy theme song who can't cut a promo or tell a story in the ring besides doing flippy spots
>>21031721>this flippy guy is better than this flippy guy cause i knew him the longest
>>21031721You probably think all luchadors look the same because you don't like them and that's okay. I don't think he looks generic at all. His theme song is gay, true, but you can't say any of those other things when he is never even given an opportunity to tell a story and when Rey also relies on flippy spots. I guarantee you he can tell a better story than someone like Damien Priest but that shitter is always given screen time and title reigns.
>>21031708>Dragon Lee has knocked the ball out of the park with every opportunity he has been given for the past 3 yearsthe only thing I know or remember about dragon lee is Gable's feats of strength where he manhandled that botching shitter and forcibly dragged him kicking and screaming into having a good match. so far vikongo is undefeated as the only man chad was unable to shoot force into having a good match
>>21031770We need to stop the Chad glazing, dude had his whole gimmick effortlessly stolen and was given a pity IC title reign in-turn. The only reason he is over right now is thanks to Kaiser.
>>21031800Before Chad got hurt, the crowd at one of the RAW shows in MN hijacked the show with the >that's chad gable, no it's notchants. he was constantly cheered on when he was cheating and acting like a heel to mexicans. he got cheered at mania when he cheated to beat fenix and he got cheered in mexico over vikingo and dragon leeLee fucking sucks and is dimeless. Chad is the best current wrestler in the world
chad gable has to be the most forced kurt angle larper i have ever seen
>>21031971>calling a random person a tranny lol dude gets no ass
>>21026214>have luchadors in the racist part of new yorkHHH special his heart needs to just stop already
>>21031660why is wwe annd aew full of mexicans then? retard bitch
>>21031660AAA is literally the best and only good and consistently good thing the shithole company known as WWE has going for it right now.
