All Elite Wrestling Presents ALL IN LONDON from Wembley Stadium in London, EnglandHow To WatchUnited States: HBO MAX, Amazon Prime Video, PPV.com, DAZN, YouTubeInternational: Amazon Prime Video, MyAEW, DAZN, PPV.com, YoutubeMAIN CARD (10am PT / 12pm CT / 1pm ET / 6pm BST)>Kenny Omega (c) vs. The Aerial Assassin Will Ospreay for the AEW World Championship>Willow Nightingale (c) vs. The CEO Mercedes Mone for the AEW Women's World Championship>The Protostar Kyle Fletcher (c) vs. The Alpha Konosuke Takeshita vs. The Rainmaker Kazuchika Okada for the AEW International Championship>Cage & Cope (c) vs. The Young Bucks for the AEW World Tag Team Championships>Jon Moxley (c) vs. Nigel McGuinness in Continental Challenge Cup Finals Match>The Jet Kevin Knight (c) vs. Darby Allin in a Falls Counts Anywhere Match for the TNT Championship>Divine Dominion (c) vs. The Brawling Birds for the AEW Women's World Tag Team Championships>Men's Casino Gauntlet Match For A Guaranteed World Title Shot!
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that last match was wwe level of slop
That was a solid 8/10 show
ngl bros that had me shoot emotional.
I don't care, Kenny should have won
Any ausfags still awake This day is gonna suck on zero hours sleep
Thank us for saving wrestling and winning MOTY Kenny didn't even try
I still think Ospreay is incredibly overrated and nowhere near Omega's level.
>>21091655yes cunt7:18am
WHY DID THEY KICK THE SHOW OFF THE AIR?OSPREY DIDNT EVEN GET A CELEBRATION
>>21091621>a literal cuckold is aew championfitting
>>21091636That's shoot the worst match they've had together
as a muttfag i love these afternoon ppvs, don't have to reserve the whole night for rasslin
5 stars
Will is going to be a bad champion mark my words. Motherfucker cant go a single episode without looking off to the side and at the camera when he gives a speech. He also is very one dimensional.
will kicking out of the owa is one of those moments that forever stick
has there ever been a bigger shoot retard as a world champ than ospreay?
>>21091670https://www.youtube.com/live/LfCPoPIAAJkScrum link starting soonCoffee now or sleep an hour
Guys there's a gay leather bound Asian wearing a YMCA esque outfit and singing their song on my stream, what's going on?
he won in my book.
>>21091621a mythical OWA kickout wasted on Oscuck grim
kenny was based in that match. i'm glad they didn't do mjf/will for this
>>21091621Why'd they cut it 30 seconds after the pinfall
*******Ospreay will be knighted soon.
MEDIA SCRUMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfCPoPIAAJkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfCPoPIAAJkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfCPoPIAAJk
OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY OSPREAY
>>21091621Osprey fucked Daniel Bryan and Kenny’s necks
>>21091648They will cry about Roman overacting and talking too much in matches but call Kenny the GOAT when he does it>where are your friends, WillThey are literally right there in the corner,Kenny. You are literally facing them right now
kicking out of the one winged angel is a top 3 moment in aew history
jesus fucking christ
>>21091621>AEW got 22 threads>AAA got 2>NXT got 1This shit too fucking easy, when will we FINALLY get some competition, Elite GODS
>>21091621https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfCPoPIAAJk
Thank you Tone Dawg!!!
I need to rewatch Kenny and Ospreay's entrances again
BrosI don't want Kenny to retire
>>21091697curfew on Sunday is 22:15, not 22:30Since it's a 'televised' event, it ends based on broadcast end, not stadium end. So there'll be a video of the post match slop soon
>>21091696That V-Trigger after the ten count was a killer.
>>21091692brother everyone has been kicking out of OWA lately
I'm at the show. As soon as the show went off air, Wembly security stormed the ring and forcibly escorted Ospreay out of the buildingHis wife is cryingThe crowd is cryingI'm cryingFuck Wembly
I guess it was ok but was it really better than Reigns versus Punk?
>>21091720TONY TONY TONY TONY
>>21091643IT CAME HOMEIT FACKIN CAME HOME!!!!
bros those main event video packages still got me feeling some type of way
That Kenny was the best I've seen since at least 2018I hope he doesn't go away for half a year though
>>21091734kys
>>21091667I don’t think the former but think the later. Kenny is one of the GOATs I don’t see will going beyond “really fucking good”
are we ready for bruv vs andrade?
I'm giving it 3 stars, could have been more if they had a Big Daddy reference in there somewhere
>>21091655Was thinking of going to work now but I'll probably fall asleep at the wheel and die
Some bad matches in the PPV, but at least the ones that mattered the most were good.Bruv - Kenny wasn't extraordinarily amazing, but still a good match and the video package, entrances and the audience elevated it. I hope Kenny's neck is okay, he really managed to improve his game for this last run.
>>21091710It's depressing as fuck to me that a literally fucking women's match was betterBut I get what they were going forSame slop WWE does. It's about the story and the background and not the in ring action
their big ples are so good but I can't get into the weekly show desu
>>21091728Kek, learn how to time a show correctly, faggot.
>>21091734if he had been in the tunnel along with the other guys the kino level would have shot over 9000
Anyone got the tiger driver?
>>21091683he is a hero to autists & downies everywhere
>>21091734Fucker
>>21091734It came home.
>>21091728Wembly is forcing everyone out of the building and arresting peopleIts a nighrmare
>>21091715take a shower, stinky
>>21091683I think lil nigga's brain is more mush than anything at this point
>>21091734Joke's on you, she's already dead!
>>21091671>WHY DID THEY KICK THE SHOW OFF THE AIR?liberal UK government doesnt allow shows in Wembley's past this time
hahahha you dumb retards >>21090355 >>21090410 >>21090607
>>21091764>ples We don't want you
>>21091734coomers were right
I never thought I'd see the day the OWA was kicked out of. That said, congrats Will! The torch has been passed but I truly hope this isn't the last we've seen of Kenny as a main eventer.
>>21091683Strowman
Rate the showI missed it
>>21091667if you really dissect the match, it was the standard ospreay match ratcheted up a few notches by taking a lot more damage early on but he always works from behind like that anyway. wk was still their best match in a vacuum but this one was obviously hyped more and meant more in the end.
Kek I'm at the show and they're rushing people out. It's fucking chaos here. Security saying the stadium needs to be empty by 1030 wtf is going on
>>210918148/10
Buddy kicked out of the rainmaker and people hated him for it :(
>>21091664>>21091603 >That's it? Really?>Well easiest win for MOTY for americanos>They didn't even try jesus
>>21091734
>>210918148.5/10
+0.5* for not having the only ref in the stadium get knocked out
>>21091817Wtf they're not even letting people go for a piss, security literally shoving a herd of people through the corridors
>>21091817Keep samefagging. No one believes you.
i apologize to this anon. you were right. kenny lost.
>>21091682For me, that was the clincher.
Kenny did a good job at making the crowd boo him
>>2109181410/100, not enough Kekla for me.
No shitpostingNo sarcasmName me a single wrestler better than Omega
>>21091817>>21091834Fucking hell bros it's mental here security are shoot pissed
this ain't summerslop, kid. now kindly shit in the bag.
>>21091853Roman Reigns
S O V L
>>21091710>They will cry about Roman overacting and talking too much in matches but call Kenny the GOAT when he does itKenny is a shoot better actor and wrestler, dumbshit>They are literally right there in the corner,Kenny. You are literally facing them right nowAnd they were helpless, like you are in life
>>21091848Kenny's pretty fucking over in the UK so I'm not surprised
>>21091764that's me with WWE, except the PLEs are mostly shit
>>21091817britcops are jobbers they don't even get to shoot people that piss them off
I can see the exit bros there's a crush
>>21091682was the right call.
Im at the show and my mum just got arrested because she had to use the restroom when they were forcing people outThis is fucking mental
>>21091764I was so sad OSW didn't mention the Zebros in their WM42 review. Are they racist against furries or something?
>>21091863Maybe on the planet India
>>21091817Me too I'm at one of the stairwells and security are just shouting "MOVE MOVE MOVE" over and over
>>21091682Couldn't have been anyone else, really
where were you when history happened?
>>21091734Son of Bitch!
>>21091885>I can see the exit bros there's a crushWhat a coincidence. They played Teenage Wasteland then too.
Can someone help me I got crushed by the crowd ow it hurts
>>210918148.7/10
I'm at the show and a copper just clotheslined my granny out of her shoes. Fooking hell.
>>21091764>plesYou can call them PPVs, friendo. You're also allowed to call them "wrestlers" and what they do "wrestling." Hopefully AEW nails the follow up Dynamite on Wednesday though.
Wtf is going on bros no one can get out and everyone's crowded in to the hallways
>>21091903my feed froze and came back the second he kicked out
Security is arresting AEW wrestlers thats why the scrum isnt live. Its a madhouse, I heard someone say that they saw Tony in handcuffs being escorted out
dronies are seething that aew has no curfew
I don't think Will is going to be a good champion longterm
>>21091903A little weird commentary didn't even acknowledge it
>>21091865>Kenny is a shoot better actorThen why wasn't he chosen to play Akuma, hmm?
>>21091865Because Roman is shit. Had to get forced over. Kenny always got over on his own merit.
Made it out bros.Fucking hell what is their problem? The Nigerian security guys were just shouting MOVE to anyone trying to get out, didn't even get to go for a piss
>>21091903In my computer room drunk, high, and naked.
>>21091673Jim Cornette is AEW World champion?
i'm at the show, cops just shot and killed me, i'm shoot dying.
>>21091817Same. My little sister just got trampled to death. Curse you Wembly
Security blocking the bathrooms lmao
>>21091828kek
>>21091903Infront of my monitor(turned on) watching history happen.
>>210918148.5/10 It's a high bar though. Kenny vs Ospreay, Okada vs Fletcher vs Takeshita are must sees though.
You will never have this, trannie'Es
>>21091817I just got out and there's a bunch of people pissed off.
The problem is, who's a credible opponent for Ospreay now? MJF with his ddt? Lil nigga with his coffin drop?
>>21091924It'll work for some time, plenty of people to go after him. Fletcher or Okada straight out the gate really
>>21091954>Got worked into dying.Kek hilarious anon
>>21091953No it's Bubba the Love Sponge.
>that one e-drone that's been obsessing over wembley curfew for six straight hours can't wait to see this meltdown extend out into the next three weeks
>>21091865it's not really an acting thing, kenny weaves those things into the flow of the match and the roman acting spots are painfully telegraphed and set up because that's how wwe production does all their matchesif roman and kenny had a program with kenny doing the build roman doing his acting spots would be just as seamless as kennysmichael hayes scripts all of roman's matches and they're more on him than roman
>>21091974Mox.MJF.They'll probably do some filler matches with Knight, Fletcher (again), Davis and Andrade
TONY KHAN ARRESTED BY LONDON POLICE FOR VIOLATING CURFEWMEDIA SCRUM CANCELLED
>>21091756Same I'm falling asleep rn and I ride a motorbike Better stay home all day
>>21091982They're firing on the crowd now, it's complete mayhem. AEWists are worse criminals than J6ers now. 'Fraid so.
The greatest of all time, unironically. I only put the Hulkster next to him.
Got shoved by nigger security guys trying to get out what is going on
>>21091952i have a drinking and computer room too but i had clothes and wasnt high
Saw no one on my timeline talking about those WWE shows that were happening today. I don't know why WWE continues doing this to themselves.
>>21091997Cops can't arrest rich people anon, it's beyond their jurisdiction.
My older sister walked in and twerked in front of me
With Kenny losing and ibushi finally being healed will they become a tag team finish their story in the best tag division on earth
>>21092018Big Tone needs to show some Big Dick Energy and start counter programming them
I'm at Wembley and I just saw a cop shoot superkick the bald guy who's friends with the Young Bucks
So what other notable things happened on the show? I only tuned in for the main event because I was hungover. FUCK afternoon shows.
BRUV
>>21092028Ibushi is literally LITERALLY going in for another Femur Plate replacement next week anon
>>21092034Willows tits were desperately trying to escape
>>21092032SUPER KEK
>>21092032gonna be a banger ep of bte
darby allin just blew up a police car that was trying to arrest aew fans
>>21091853CM Punk. He’s called the best in the world for a reason.
>>21092007Hogan unironically got Kenny, in some alternative universe Tony and Hogan might have been bros and the AEW there could have been better off
>>21092028>>21092041I have no hope for Ibushi's return, it's so over for that dude
>>21091994fletcher will be the one to take the title from him
>>21092034the Yellowy Queen finally returned
Why isnt the scrum started yet? I'm shoot worried. It must be mayhem there.
>>21091974Andrade is next up given he's number 1 contender.MJF is obvious with the OTC thing.Moxley is also obvious.Knight could challenge on some random ass Dynamite.Fletcher would be a fucking crazy bangerNewman feud has been brewing for a while. Expect it at Wreslte Kingdom, Dynasty or even both of those shows, and I think there's a real chance of Will losing, even if he's not dropped the title to Andrade/MJF/Mox by then.
>>21091974Jimmy Havoc will take the title
OMEGAMANIACS ARE STORMING WEMBLEY, SCRUM IS CANCELLED
>feels the aura
>>21091903Yeah I remember when Fenix kicked out first
>>21091734cocksucker kill yourself
>>21092064The Bucks never turned on Hogan and still say he is their favorite wrestler of all time til this day
>>21092083For some reason it always takes an hour to get the scrum started now
Wembley security just arrested Ospreay and confiscated his belt
>>21092091This is nice, but for me it's when the song cuts, the silent zoom in on Kenny and then I HEAR THE BATTLE CRY at full fucking volume that did it for me
>>21092034DMD returned on the preshow to help persephone beat mayanew day debuted with swerve and won the trios titlescope and cage retainedandrade won the gauntletmercedes beat willowokada pinned kyle for the international titleBAYNE AND LENA JOBBED TO THE FUCKING BIRDS AND I'M STILL MAD ABOUT ITdarby jumped off the arch over wembley and killed himself, kevin knight, and ten generations of sting's family
>>21091764>ples
>>21092083Tony football tackled a female cop to stop her from arresting a fan and all hell broke loose
>show ends>e-drones already spamming hate all over the board
Made it to my Uber bros>Ospreay got a few minutes in the ring and posing on the ramp, I think he was trying to give a speech but couldn't hear shit as the PA was turned low>3 security guys moved to our section and pushed us all in to the stairs near the main stairwell>They were shouting at everyone to get out while offering no direction>Got stuck on the stairwell for ages>There were like 2000 people trying to get through one of the exits>Security were funneling everyone in to the main exit>Was hot and smelly>Eventually got out as the security guys (black) just kept shouting MOVE in people's earsWasn't like this last time
>>21092087And buddy.
>>2109181411/10, greatest PPV in history, no notes
>>21092116Thanks anon>andrade won the gauntletWtf? What's next for mjf then
>>21091903shitposting on peedub
>>21092142Still coping about being the one true champ.
>>21092110THE CROWN ALWAYS GOES OVER BROTHER, GOD SAVE THE KING
Pure kino. E-drone subhumans will never know this feel
>>21092124What changed?
>>21092087Andrade is a fucking trash midcarder he doesn't need to be anywhere near any kind of serious belt. He can't even speak english correctly and he doesn't even put on good matches. He was always shit. Ospreay has his problems but at least he gives us some good matches. MJF vs Hangman was one of many that proved why MJF is always a top dog.
WE LOVE YOU GOAT
>>21091720TYBTD
>>21092107Hogan could have been a bro if it wasn't for the n-word cuck tape. He would have been too old to put himself over at that point if he joined the company and Tony wouldn't be a mark for him like Dixie, Eric and Russo were so he'd just have to drop knowledge.
>>21091903Sitting, watching this with 50 other blokes in my discord server while my wife went and picked up ice cream.
We need videos of this chaos otherwise I'm not sure it's true
You guys can have your fun but next year these is happening .
>>21092206everyone's phone was confiscated and thrown into the thames it was wild
>>21091840Big of you to admit
>>21091734>TONOIGHT
>>21092206The cops had an EMP device brother, all phones are useless
kinoest spots of the night are darby's suicide coffin drop and kenny shoot destroying his neck
>>21091734You fucker
>>21092168No idea, we got to leave at our own pace in 2024
does anyone has a webm of the second tiger driver? shit was brutal
>>21092206Tried to take some pics but I was shoulder to shoulder, could barely t xt. Lost my mate for a minute but he had common sense to wait outside for me
>>210918148 very sloppy, the preshow was horrible thank god it wasn't booked on the main cardMain event was mid
Wembley stadium is burningIts a madhouse They shouldnt have gone over curfew. Blood is on there hands
>>21092263UK is getting more dystopic each passing day, I'm sorry for you guys unironically, how they mighty have fallen
Just got back home, the cops arrested Ospreay and Omega after the Main Event and it was total chaos. Something about the title belt having been stolen and now being returned to its rightful owner? A guy called Freeman or something apparently owns it.
>>21092264gotchu faam
>>21092312thanks bro sending this to my gf
>>21092312BRUTAL
>>21092124Took me 15 minutes to get out and ended up at the other side of the building. Security guys were just straight up shouting at our section
>>21092302Pretty sad 2bh. No idea what their fucking problem was I paid to be here
>>21092312This was way too dangerous and sloppy and not worth it
>>21092312Sloppy shop
Reminder that England has still never had a WWE champion.
>>21092363Shut up Stevie Richards
>>21092364Thanks regal
>>21092312Was this Kenny or Will's fault?
>>21092368Jinder Mahal is a former WWE champion. It's not really the prestige it used to be.
Roman just showed up and laid out Will what's going on bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZIUtDAFIw&list=RDiYZIUtDAFIw&start_radio=1I shoot criedBest retirement match ever
>>21092388WHAT'S LEATI ANOA'I DOING IN THE ELITE ZONE
when is this starting i got shit to do
>>21092124Were you on the upper decks too? We had a pajeet guy screaming orders kek
>>21092124>>21092168No one can stand AEWists, especially Nigerian chads. Thank God the adults were in the room.
>>21092312And this is why it won't be a real 5* plus the botched count, plus the botched start, plus the superman setup to that boring finish
why was stadium empty
>>21092385>an Indian has been WWE champion and still no Englishman>a Scotsman and Irishman have been WWE champions and still no Englishman>KEVIN NASH has been WWE champion and still no Englishman
I didn't watch. Did Callum Newman do anything?
>>21092364It was 100% intentional and not even the first time they did it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM9pduW7K0QThey walk the kings road
>>21092312Looked way nastier than the Forbidden Door one
>>21092443Botched helping Ospreay put on his entrance gear
>>21092409>>21092444
Im starting to think Tony legit got arrested bros
>>21092460Tony tells Saddiq what to do
>>21092142Feud with Andrade
>>21092381Yes.
>>21092469Kenny is always better as a heel
>>21092456Sounds like you are trying to justify being bad on purpose
>>21092091>You are nextBased anime man Ken Might
>>21092469>Oh fwend
>>21092206Oh come on anon where's the trust?
Where is the media scrotum?
Insider hereOspreay was not supposed to kick out of the OWA, kenny got pissed and shot on him in the locker room. It was a huge fight and now they are all dealing with the fallout. Media scrum cancelled
>>21092368Oh but it did brother.
>>21092519Kinoest angle in wrestling
Calling it, the greatest show of all time. Biggest house, most stars, biggest ppv buys. The war is over WWE is dead.
We're on
>>21092528this aged poorly and quickly
SCRUM IS LIVE
>fulham lostKWAB
FULHAM LOST TONY YOU MAD BASTARD
>>21092460Rich people don't get arrested unless they screw over other rich people, don't be a mark anon.
the american manami toyota is vibing
>opening with women bullshit, especially mone Aaaaaand muted.
she gets to go home and bang mortos
Is Willow just an unsafe shitter or what? She injures Mone every time they wrestle
>>21092574Hey wait, why wasn't Mortos on this show
gawd i love Mercedes tits
>>21092565I'll give her credit, it was a very hard hitting match between both broads
>went long and costed Tony like 30k in fines>tony is still thanking the dumb selfmark whoreThe guy is too nice for his own good, she should be made an example off
>>21092368>an AMERICAN-IRISH company doesn't want an english championgee
>>21092582he was probably supposed to be in the Casino gauntlet but it ended before he was called. wrestled in Scotland on Collision "last night"
https://x.com/Ace109610/status/2094175400704245958Bros, Kenny was sobbing...it might be over...
Mone has really nice pert cans
>>21092577mone and willow trust eachother to not hold back which backfired until now
old and haggard stood up for nothing kek
Just rewatched Osrpeay and Kenny's entrances. That was beautiful. Will probably never be topped
NEW LEV EL NEW LEV EL
>New Day are in AEW nowWhen did that happen?
thank you tony
>>21092626literally today
>>21092626they debuted tonight at the start of the ppv
>>21092626Today
>>21092626It was great. Go watch the animation they made on woods twitter. Will make you tear up
>>21092626you're experiencing it right now
In my opinion, the main event didn't live up to the kino that was the entrances.
>>21092648It was good.
we love our new niggas dont we elite bros?kenny and the bucks are gonna rape them to death though
I don't want to consolewar but it's funny you can be instantly over if TKO fires youNot in their plans
>22 gamethreads and countingkek what a wildly successful PPV
>>21092662maybe in street fighter
>>21092663>if TKO fires youthey quit bro
>>21092662Big E lost weight
so happy for my caramel mocha delight ceo
>>21092385Jinder Mahal´s title reign was longer than Jeff Hardy´s, RVD´s and Mankind´s reigns COMBINED.I wish I was making this up.
They are already cooning and chimping out. Fire their asses, Tony.
>>21092662Kofi mogging Swerve
Kofi is so funny
pretty cool seeing Kofi here
>>21092676the funny thing about that is that jinder is a canadian sikh and indians hate canadian sikhs because a bunch of them were actual terrorists who did the worst terror attack before 911was actually impossible for him to ever get over. trudeau bombed a canadian trade deal with india but associating with these guys for it despite importing a bajillion indians
>>21092671Study semantics and get back to me you fucking retarded mark
Wild that Kofi is the leader the group and not Swerve
>>21092700We dont like the guys who get fired no more, only the guys who left voluntarily
gonna need a new thread since theyve only interviewed 5 out of 13 people they have scheduled.
>>21092662They seem less obnoxious but tbf I haven't seen them in years. I'm willing to give them a chance, I thought Andrade would be a waste of a rehire but got proved wrong
>Tony has to dumb down the question for the groidsActually lol
>>21092733It's because yanks can't understand normal english
>>21092725It's *proven, faggot retard.
>>21092746yeah, it's cause they're yanks
yeah they got lowballed by tko
>>21092699to clarify it was all over a sikh seperationist movement that's really controversial around that scene >>21092700what does semantics have to do with cutting wages for people that helped buid your brand? i'm sure replacing them with nxt stars will work though
>>21092752Yanks have to remake english shows because they can't understand English so they remake them in......english
>>21092750We don't sign our posts here.
new>>21092761>>21092761>>21092761>>21092761
>>21092763The English Office sucks dick
>>21092468Hell they're probably related. Both named Kahn. Tony & Shad must have some pull with him.
It's ogre
To be honest only the Gauntlet and Darby's matches were fun, everything else was filler material
It's time to start the cullingAt least 80 wrestlers were featured
>>21094070Also Kenny Vs Os previous matches in Forbidden Door and Dinasty were miles better but I can't blame Kenny he is old but he gave out his bestI don't want to hear anyone giving MOTY to this match
Finally I expected more surprises, iirc all the new toys were only featured in the preshowAlso that Moxley vs literally who retired retard match was an insult for people who are actually working to get some TV time
Hoping the hype it doesn't go down
Good night /pw/
>>21094119Good night sir
>>21094106Nigel is a commentator, but I swear its in his contract to wrestle once a year at All In. Whats funny is during the paperview he went back to commentary. Will I think is going to be a fuckup champion though. But MJF is going to likely get involved soon, same with Kyle, and I don't think this was necessarily Kennys retirement match. He won't leave AEW without Don, he was passing the torch though for sure. Then there is Mox.
>>21092577>Is Willow just an unsafe shitter or what? She injures Mone every time they wrestleWillow's a fat, sloppy, uncoordinated bitch. What do you think?
