Dave has spoken.
>>21106529he gave one of the flair steamboats a sixyKenny finna have two sevenies
66 year old Dave is now trying to argue with Hootie and the Blowfish on Twitter. You can't make this up.
>>21106533kenny deserves more for carrying bruv to an all time great match.
>>21106529He is 100% right
>>21106529>>21106537Holy shit Hootie's still alive????
>be dave>be wrestle autist>see ospreay>he's also autist bruv>wtf he just like me frfr>shills special interest til the end of time
Based Hootie working Memezer into a seething shoot.
>>21106529What emotion would that be?
I don't know how you can even compare these two, Ospreay and Omega don't even try make it look like a legitimate contest.Their match is the pinnacle of wrestling being fake and gay
>>21106728>don't even try make it look like a legitimate contest.*flair flops on you*
>>21106529Would wager that 90% of the people arguing against this have never even seen a full Flair vs Steamboat match
>>21106749And didn't watch Ospreay vs Omega because it threatens the brand they make their personalitySaying this doesn't invalidate the fact that Steamboat was great and Flair is one of the best to ever do it
>>21106529'fraid so
>>21106529Kek Dave was literally front row for the Flair Steamboat matches
>>21106730It's the truth tranny. Those crowds genuinely wanted Dragon to win and were upset when Flair cheated. Meanwhile the All In crowd didn't give a shit who won or lost and just wanted to see a "good match" (aka lots of high spots and false finishes)
>>21106529One of the Flair and Steamboat matches got 6 stars.6*+ match confirmed bros
>>21106806*gets up, walks around in a circle and flair flops on you again*
>>21106826So you're saying Flair invented fighting spirit spots and every shitter hack spot monkey who does them today is copying him?
>>21106529That match was all Kenny, and they have wrestled matches against each other that were better than this one, I honestly don't understand why this one gets jerked off this hard, is it because it was in AEW this time?
>>21106838*gets up again, stumbles around in a circle, falls head first into your crotch, making you act comically*
>>21106826Unlike Hogan, Flair was a good wrestler, and even his last match with Shawn (I know it's not actually his last) had more emotion than anything anyone today can manage, and he was like 58 at the time.
>>21106846*dresses up as character from a children's cartoon that released in 2016 and points at the camera*
>>21106852I don't disagree that Flair was an incredible wrestler. Flair is great. Flair is entertaining. I love Flair, he's one of my top lads. I'm just mocking the spastic who says Flair makes matches look like a legitimate contest.
This 65 iq nigger tranny thinks Flair wrestled the same in the 1980s as he did in the 2000s (which is the only time xe saw him wrestle)
>>21106728flair was literally the prototype of this kind of wrestlinghe overacted, pantomimed, and was over the top with theatricshe wasn't some gimp that thought wrestling had to look like a real fight, doing mat wrestling and rest holds before winning with a back body drop
>>21106865beggin ya to watch some flair vs sting from the 80s and get a fucking clue
>>21106529Yeah, Dave's not biased at all and has no stake in this floundering company that couldn't draw smarks in a smark country. Nothing this autistic dipshit says should be taken seriously. Good on Hootie for working him. AEWtist are such faggots.
>>21106867Flair called it all in the ring, he couldn't be further away from modern flip ballet
>>21106529The one at WK is the one that transcends Flair/SteamboatThe ones in AEW are very shallow>>21106754>pigjection
>>21106806>the British crowd in London didn't give a shit about the Bri'ish Rresslah winning the world title
>>21106730>>21106826>>21106846Pleb filtered by a cartoonish villain spot>>21106867Wrestling isn't about looking like a real fight, it's not looking like a fake one.Flair had some cartoonish spots and mannerisms to sell his persona but he generally wrestled in a fairly convincing way setting them aside. FAR more convincing and high-quality than anything Ospreay has done since 2023.
>>21106529after the td/owa kickout i just kinda tuned out6/10 at best
>>21106867>flair was literally the prototype of this kind of wrestlingabsolutely not, if you wanna autistic AJPW and mid-2000s NOAH are the prototype, flair was just a huge personality that was good at translating that into a few signature spots
>>21106533Dave said that Ospreay vs Omega was more emotional but Omega vs Okada was still the better match overall. I predict a 6.5 or a 6.75
>>21106882*flips over the cornbuckle, elbow drops suit jacket*
>>21106529it's probably the single worst match i've ever seen receive this level of praise since gargano/cole
>>21106917It was a true shark-jumping moment for this style and that it happened so soon after the G1 Finals gives it a very unfavorable contrastOspreay is the fast food of pro wrestling, he's the Michael Bay and he's very boring.
>>21106915
>>21107011no don't look i tried to tell everybody that flair made matches look like a real fightAIEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>21106529Aewtrannys should be thankful someone as famous as Hootie even knows what AEW is let alone send out a tweet about it.
>>21107011>smoothly executed but still has a sense of struggle because they're selling as they move>doesn't look incredibly fake and gay because no visible cooperationDIMES>>21107015>misses the point completelyKEK
>>21107015No one said fight other than you, the word I used in my first post was "contest". Flair and Steamboat are trying to pin each other not beat each other to death.Might be time for you to abandon thread and go start a new one where you can go get BTFO again like you always do
>>21107029*performs a contrived sequence, forcing you to stand there pretending to be dumbfounded for four seconds*
>>21107036*desperately clutches at straws and tries to change the topic for the tenth time*
>>21107029All believability was gone the second flair was around.In every single flair match for 30 years, flair used to get thrown into the turnbuckle and do a flip to the top for no reason at all, it didnt make his opponent seem strong. it made it look like a rehearsed fake fight that is an insult to the fans intelligenceBret used to get thrown into the turnbuckle and hit it so hard with his chest that the ring almost moved and you could hear it outside the arena.It looked real and made his opponent look strong as fuck.Thats one of the many reasons that bret was a wrestler and flair was a sideshow act
>>21107040not the anon from before, just wanted to work you lmao
>>21107041Bret was a fucking master of that. If Bret had a personality he would have been the best ever. I can’t fucking believe people are using Flair as an example of believability in here. At no point in his career was he believable. Ever. His theatrics were ridiculous, the way he applied the figure four was ridiculous. He was a great talker and a great personality, but if you’re using him as an example of greatness in ring, you’re too retarded even for this place.
>>21106728>Flair>legitimate contest
>>21106824Based
Omega/Ospreay 3 is probably the single greatest match from entrance to finish. Everything about it is masterclass.If only they allowed more time for post match celebration and walk back, it would have been as perfect a pro wrestling match as you could have possibly had.
Did Dave really get emotional watching Kenny Omega wrestle Will Ospreay?
>>21107011kek look at Dave jumping around in the background like a giant mark
>>21106589>carryingOspreay is better, though. They are both video game meme wrestlers but Ospreay is bigger, more athletic and can actually throw a strike that doesn't look like shit.
>>21106728>the pinnacle of wrestling being fake and gay
>>21106529Obligatory:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE9PUexeUv0
>>21106728>Their match is the pinnacle of wrestling being fake and gay
>>21107908>people hate Dave because he actually enjoys wrestling not consolewarring and pretend he's too cool for it while watching it 24/7 like they dokek it do be like that
>>21106529Of all the things to argue about, this retarded black chose to argue with Dave about Ric vs Steamboat? Dave has seen matches that those two had in house shows that no one here or 90% of the wrestling community have ever seen.
>>21107951Facts. The guy just likes wrestling and has his tastes. He doesn't insist other people have to share them, it's just what he'd recommend if you asked him.And people absolutely hate him for it. Unhinged behavior, really.
>>21106728You fucking retard, Flair tried to entertain and work the crowd first and foremost, there's a reason the Flair Flop exists, and there's a reason you will never see anyone do it in a real fight.
>>21106728Pro-wrestling stopped trying to appear like a "legitimate contest" years ago. It's pointless when everyone knows it's not a legitimate contest.
>>21106838Flair Flop isn't a fighting spirit spot dumbass, it's a comedy spot meant to entertain that's all.
>>21107977>television stopped trying to appear to be legitimate stories years ago.>It's pointless when everyone knows it's not legitimate stories.Let me guess, you're an Orange Cassidy mark.
>>21107985Orange Cassidy is the current main character of professional wrestling.‘fraid so.
>>21107985>Still seething about Based OCLet me guess
>>21107985Man, someone says something you disagree with and you just jump to the conclusion that they must have the exact opposite tastes you do. Now that's the sign of an intelligent mind.I like realism. That said, I also understand that entertainment is more important than making it look real because - now pay close attention - this isn't a real fight and people aren't watching to see two people actually beat each other up.Cassidy is alright. He has his talents. I can see why people like him. He doesn't bother me because I've decided to be okay with that. It's less that modern wrestling sucks and more a matter of people holding on to unrealistic expectations when the business has moved on.
lmao that got the hogs bubbling
>>21108003>t. le "i've got no retort so i'll just snidely remark how i made people mad" poster
>>21107996That last post blew Cornette out so fucking hard. You can see he had no response and just lashed out like a classic left winger.
>>21107996Jim is such a fucking faggot
>>21107929Never seen this before. Jesus fuck that was long
>>21107929how do e-drones sit through this shit
>>21107929I would like to point out that Kenneth's response to Ospreay kicking out of his finish out was not to :-O face but get pissed, get up and try to kill him again. That's why he's one the Greats and Roman is overacting immersion-breaking shitter.
>>21107929Wait, that's a real fight, right
>>21106867He was a heel thoughbeit. It got the southerners to hate him even more
>>21107956It's frustrating because:1) Dave is the only person with an "official" say. There's tons of people who rate matches but they don't get their own wikipedia article or any coverage by other sites. And his ethnic group pretty much controls the news and controls who gets covered and who doesn't.2) He says these are his own personal opinions, but then he will use his own opinions as proof/facts on how good a match is, which isn't possible. Instead of saying, "I've given Omega a lot of high star ratings", it's "Kenny has had ___ 5-star matches". 3) Dave's rating scale has changed and now everything gets much higher ratings than it used to. But, he refuses to go back and adjust old ratings. So now something like Misawa/Kawada is below matches from the last few years that no one will ever remember.
>>21107996OC is irrelevant. Shit down and shut up, faggot.
>>21107929I was right to stop watching WWE back in like ‘06. I tried to come back while they were pushing this shitter as a face and bounced right off it. I thought people said he became good or something.
Emotion lol what a fag
>>21107937The fact their main eventing is worse than Eddie and Benoit
>>21107929Now we’re going to pretend that shocked kick out face doesn’t happen in AEW and isn’t a problem with modern wrestling in general?
>>21108079I tried to watch AEW and it sucked and the fanbase was full of trannies and fat losers and now people are trying to pretend a pedo and a retard just had a match better than Steamboat Flair so im glad im saying away from that shit.
>>21107929wwe this is a parody of pro wrestling
>>21107951>Mr. B-B-But WWE isn’t a console warriorOkay.
People don't hate Dave because he rates matches. They hate him because he's a terrible "journalist" (shibata had his brain removed) with obvious anti-WWF bias and because instead of getting a legitimate additional competitor to WWE, we got Tony catering to Dave and ruining the chances of a good 2nd A-Tier promotion.
>>211080741) Nobody else is respected enough. He has the history, has put in the work and has achieved more than just tweeting out garbage for no effort. He actually put in a lot of work over the decades before everyone just reported news they see on Twitter.2) It’s a frame of reference of his own opinion. He’s not using his own ratings as law, but instead using them to express their value in his eyes. He doesn’t tell you that you should see it the same way nor does he try to brute force it on others.3) That is actually fair but that’s going to happen with any kind of rating system. It can’t be 100% objective and follow specific laws to the letter.
>>21108086Cope, faggot >>21108048
>>21108077Then why are you still seething about him years later?
>>21108103I forgot he existed until you brought him up
>>21107996>No retort >Just keeps responding with his 6th grader nicknames I don’t even like Dave but Cornette is just pathetic here.
>>21108074>There's tons of people who rate matches but they don't get their own wikipedia article or any coverage by other sites.You're welcome to post Wade Keller's ratings any time, you won't because don't actually support these people or give a shit what they say. Most people don't. They do care what Dave says though because he's been at the job the longest. It's not a conspiracy you moron.>He says these are his own personal opinions, but then he will use his own opinions as proof/facts on how good a match isSo you have never actually expressed opinions with friends irl and have no idea how people talked before social media>he refuses to go back and adjust old ratingsHating Dave because his autism isn't your autism kek
>>21108006oink oink
>>21106806>the crowd doesn't care who wins they just want to see Roman and do the woahhhhhhhhh during Cody's entrance Retard. Yeah the fans know it's fake but they still want one outcome vs another. It's like watching a movie and not caring what happens because you just want to see some good cinematography or special effects.
>>21108140Cute seethe.
>>21108111>>21108133>>21108140>>21108142all the same guy by the way with a wrestling fig stuck up his ass.
>>21108169Actually,. He's dead..
>>21107859Yeah them being short on time was the only flaw and I generally don’t like this kind of wrestling
>>21107977>it's pointless to try and put on a good wrestling match that doesn't insult the viewers' intelligence, why bother trying, just be as fake and gay as you want to do as many moves as you canPleb.>>21107996>>21108008The funny thing is, Dave fell into the dichotomy of thinking people want it to look actually real or like an MMA fight because he's a brainlet.btw: there's nothing unrealistic or phony about heels acting like cowardly shiteaters or a manager holding a tennis racquet lmao
>>21106529Is Hootie an E-drone?
>>21106728Based, this got the brainlets squealing.
>>21107929Out of context this is pretty funny, but obviously it completely worked during the actual match.
>>21107859Holy fucking PLEB
>>21108286>there's nothing unrealistic or phony about heels acting like cowardly shiteaters or a manager holding a tennis racquet lmaothis is pathetic bro
>>21106529He's gonna give it an 8 isn't he
>>21108306>misses the point so hard he's trying to argue that a man holding a tennis racquet is unrealisticGo on, try and make a point.
Dave is entitled to his opinion. I just have better taste and prefer better matches.
>>21108312>racquetkek every time
>>21108304I cannot think of another match where the entrances are just as breathtaking or emotional as the match itself. There are better bell to bells but putting everything together? I don’t think you have better than this.
>>21108359fuck off eyepatchwolf
>>21106529I watched this yesterday. Is this just aew fans bigging this match up?It really wasn't that great and the fake blood just made it look silly.How are people praising this when there's better matches in njpw/noah. Even tna has had better matches than this
>>21106529I got to the owa kickout before I muted it and started playing video gamesDave's a retard
>I SAW COUNTLESS FLAIR-STEAMBOAT MATCHES
>>21108378Literally just shat on the dude earlier today in another thread on him.Honestly though. I can’t think of any other match like this where every aspect of it, from spectacle, to history, to entrance, to in ring was 11/10. only the end felt sudden.Feel free to name the matches on this level, I’m not gonna judge at all. I considered Taker/HBK but neither entrance really tugged at any heartstrings despite how amazing they were.
>>21108390>Are aew fans really bigging up this great match with above average presentation? How are people praising this?Hmm.>Even tna has had better matches than this>hadAs in decades ago.
>>21108424HAD yes but they were still better.Yet they never got the praise this dull as dishwasher match has gotten.Kenny v okada in njpw was bigger and better than this yet were being told this match is somehow Ground breaking
