Rap is in a worse state than pro wrestling right now. Even the shittiest wrestling show can still move more than 200 tickets
>>21138743>a month away>old rap starsYou too stupid to be honest
and yet wwe keep employing rappers
>>21138743>ti>rick rossTwo of the biggest frauds of the 2010s. T.I. has one song and it's What You Know. Ross has one song and it's the one with Lil Wayne and drake. The rest is the absolute shits. I wonder how these idiots have a fanbase. Literal bottom barrel of mainstream hip hop
>going to see live rap concertslol and also lmfao. It's been 50 years since rap started and sound engineers still have no idea how to manage the levels live, why would you pay anything for this?
>>21138743Curt Hennig was right
>>21138743damn looks like next weeks dynamite
>>21138875>New Level>Swerve>Rick Ross
>>21138881That’s cap, don’t oversell, you fucking mark omfg
>>21138881They suck but hood nigs get down to songs like TI' 'Dope Boyz' while clubbing and shit. Not sure that they buy tickets to shows 20 years after the fact though.
>>21138875It's funny because if you look at what zoomers/younger gen are listening to these days, it is literally limp bizkit, Korn, slipknot, tons of numetal etc. Same with all the fashion etc.No idea why WWE keeps using hiphop now
>>21138881>T.I. has one songdumbest post i've ever read on this board
>>21138875…because they’re out of a job
>>21138875>>21138913Rap music has taken a nosedive ever since USAID was cut. The Top 100 was stuffed with rap music just a few years ago and now there are barely any on there except the mainstream huge artists like Drake.We've had the music industry flooded with low-talent and low-energy rappers, now that it has to survive on its own merits it is collapsing.
>>21138914Well, we are witnesses to aewtistic screams 24/7, shouldn’t be surprising when they display their stupidity
>*tsk...tsk...tstststststsk tsk tsk*>ay yo........>poppin pillies like a UNH>she doin lines like a UNH>im fuckin her like a UNH>yeah yo ay im like a UNH
If I wanted to pay $110 for nosebleeds to see washed up stars I would buy WWE tickets.
>>21138913WWE is always behind in trends kek
>>21138933>USAIDYou honestly believe this, don’t you?
>>21138962they're actually ususally way ahead in terms of trends, i don't compliment wwe on much but they're always ahead of the curve. tout was basically tiktok, they invented the streaming service basically with wwe network. they were the first big sports company to take saudi money. They were uploading youtube clips of their shows back in like 2008 etc
>>21138968It's either USAID was artificially injecting rap music into American culture and exporting it as "American music" OR the people of America are genuinely suffering from nigger fatigue to such an extent that nobody even wants to listen to rap music anymore.
Rap doesn't sound good live. It's pretty much karaoke. Even when they perform live, they don't use an instrumental.
Remember when rappers had DJs that would actually cut the records and hit the samples and mix it all live?
>>21138913especially since HHH is supposed to be a metalhead, unless he has been larping this entire time.
>>21138977its more that rap hasn't evolved in any meaningful way in like 5 years and its seen as unc music now. Each generation has their own tastes, zoomies love nu metal and kpop and sabrina carpenter type shit now and the people who were into rap also moved because they're trend chasers. also nigger fatigue / gen z puritanism is a big part of it too. rap feels like it was bought out by a private equity firm to solely be about chasing profits at the expense of quality and having tons of spotify streams so they optimized all the artistry out of it.
>>21139006basically there are like 50 different reasons why this happened and its impossible to point to a single one. modern pop music seems more alien than ever with shit like "choosin texas" being #1 on the chart for like 30 weeks and not a single person i know has ever heard of it
>>21138881I don't care for TI and I probably hate Ross more than 50 does, but acting like each only had one hot song as a solo artist is insaneTI also had Whatever You Like, Why You Wanna and You Don't Know MeRoss had Hustlin' and Push ItAnd those are just the ones off the top of my head where they solo'ed. I'm not even counting hits where they were the main artist and had a minor feature
>>21138743The vast majority of indy wrestling shows struggle to get 50 people. Only the most known indy groups get talked about on here. Indy wrestling is mostly mudshow stuff equal to your local bar band or open mic night.Plenty of big successful rap tours this year and last..10. Central CeeGross: $14.9MTickets: 223,000Shows: 429. Rod WaveGross: $21.6MTickets: 165,000Shows: 118. Don ToliverGross: $24.8MTickets: 333,000Shows: 437. YoungBoy Never Broke AgainGross: $28.3MTickets: 231,000Shows: 176. Wu Tang ClanGross: $30.6MTickets: 245,000Shows: 275. Travis ScottGross: $41.2MTickets: 352,000Shows: 74. $uicideboy$Gross: $43.5MTickets: 601,000Shows: 463. NellyGross: $44.9MTickets: 470,000Shows: 512. Tyler the CreatorGross: $174.5MTickets: 1,300,000Shows: 981. Kendrick LamarGross: $369.6MTickets: 1,900,000Shows: 42If MLW has 12 shows a year with 500 per, that's 6,000 for the year. Be generous and double that to 12,000 - there's literally hundreds of rappers that can sell that many in a year.
>>21138743Rap/hip hop has had this problem for decades now in the US: lack of respect/attention for older rappers and their hits (you rarely see this shit happen to older rock artists)There was a time when 80s/90s rappers would struggle with live shows because they were the 'unc music' of the generation right after themNow early 2000s rappers and their hits are currently considered the new unc music, and is getting disrespected and ignored the same way that 80s/90s rappers used to be
People have tap fatigue
>>21139023>not a single person i know has ever heard of itAnd for others her and the song have been impossible to escape, it's gone way beyond the country music world, is all over tiktok, even her interview with Theo Von has over 8 million views on youtube. She's toured to big crowds all over the USA, etc.
>>21139112When people stopped mentioning Chuck D as one of their main inspirations, I knew rap was doomed.
>>21139102I worked backstage at Don Toliver, never heard of the guy before, was talking with the merch people and they told me they made over $350,000 that night just in merch sold. Also, he has a driving simulator built specifically for him backstage which takes up the entire back hallway and no one is allowed back there but him and his boys after the show.
>>21139145if she is the one to finally kill rap once and for all she will be the greatest person to ever live and should be the first female president.
imagine going to see a live rap show that has no singing or real live music at all. and it costs just as much as seeing a real live rock band working hard playing and singing.
>>21139221You being hyperbolic and dishonest is hilarious
>>21139221Rap's pretty much dead now. The last mainstream moment it had was Kendrick and Drake's feud.
>>21139291Yeah, and that shit still has motion. Accept reality and stop crying.
>>21138881Trap Muzik is a classic fr fr ong no cap
>>21139303What am I crying about? Rap is pretty much dead as a mainstream cultural icon kinda thing. There wasn't a single rap song in the billboard top 20 just the past month. Like who are the big dogs in the prime right now? Carti? We won't get more from him for like another and his last project sucked. Someone turned me on to Ken Carson, who is apparently is a huge WWE guy. His tape Xperiment wasn't bad. But he don't have mainstream appeal. No one really does who is under 35. Just like wrestling
>>21138974>they invented the streaming service basically with wwe networkBro Netflix was well before the Network. You ever heard of a show called Breaking Bad? Also Man United took the Saudi bag well before WWE.
>>21139338Breaking Bad was an AMC show, retard
>>21138881Hey, Rick Ross has Aston Martin Music.
>>21138881Ross was in Devil In A New Dress, what did Lil Yachty ever do that is as big as that?
>>21139002The only metal album HHH knows is St. Anger
>>21139214Based Donny
>>21139112Extremely true.
>>21138875JewKO is taking advantage because they’re cheap right now
raps been on the down for a decade at this point. hopefully rock comes back into the mainstream. im so sick of niggerslop.
>>21139743Rap (or at least mainstream rap) has been on its Nickelback phase for a while. The only """rapper""" that is able to draw dimes right now is Drake, just like back then the only """rock""" band that was capable of drawing dimes was Nickelback.
>>21138743Kanye's shows this year have been successful.
>>21138743rap is fake and full of pedophiles and faggots pretending to be toughguys
>>21138881Trap Muzik was like Frampton Comes Alive for black people. Everyone had a copy of it and he's had numerous hits, you dumb lying faggot
>>21139819Kanye is Kanye, he's beyond hip hop
>>21139904True
AEWtists, e-drones, let's make a truce to LAUGH at them!
>>21139843I thought his Paper Trail era was even hotter. I was in freshman year in college. That and Carter 3 were everywhere.
The best way to feel old is to check out the top new artists in Spotify who have 5 - 10 million monthly listeners, and yet are virtually unknown outside of the under 20 crowd. They all have more monthly listeners than most “mainstream” rappersGuys like TI or Rick Ross are grandfathers from the CD era popular with older heads. In the Streaming Era, those guys are considered vintage or older.
>>21139363Which got popular thanks to the streaming service Netflix you fucking mong.
>>21139112I'll never forget that NBA game a couple of years ago where Ja Rule was performing his old songs and the crowd no-sold himI know it's been the popular thing to shit on Ja in recent years, but in his prime he was a huge deal and had major certified hits before 50 ended his careerTo see that he couldn't even get a nostalgia pity pop from that crowd hurt me as a guy who remembered Murder Inc. music blasting everywhere when I was younger
>>21138743>Rap is in a worse state than pro wrestling right nowkikes will make sure that shit never dies , its one of the strongest poisons they used to make niggers fuckable
>>21138875TKO jewish masters love their slave rappers
>>21139221She has a song with BigXthaPlug, who's in the concert mentioned in OPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQpmWQU5_8E&HAHAHAHA
The death of rap has nothing to do with USAID, it's just good old nigger fatigue that's finally manifesting after 2020. The death of rock and the rise of rap in the early 00s also isn't some conspiracy. Record companies got spooked by Napster and started pumping money away from rock acts and into rap because the latter is much cheaper to produce and easier/quicker to pump out in large volumes, thus increasing margins.
What world are you guys living in? Rap and hip hop is by far the most popular music with twenty something's and younger. They all listen to hip hop about fuckin and drinking and the others listen to mumble rappers because of muh depression.Rock is a niche thing and has been for at least a decade. Times change anon, what more would you expect from the current gen of retards?
>>21139959That was massive too. He was on a roll for a while there. Carter 3 was a phenomenon too. That other dumb fuck has no clue what he's talking about.
>>21139904>Kanye is Kanye, he's beyond hip hopKek what? People arent going to see him because he sells clothes lmao.
>>21140674He has transcended into something bigger than rap. He's the closest thing to Michael Jackson pop culture has had since Michael Jackson.
>>21140658Nah country and pop music by women who act like whores is more of the cultural zeitgeist right now. People still listen to hiphop but it's rarely new shit and anything new rarely sticks
>>21139798False, see list above and do a little research. Multiple rappers are draws right now and that's not a secret. J Cole has been doing two night arena shows in the biggest cities. Cardi B has sold 450,000 tickets in 35 shows, Gunna has sold 200,000, and on and on. Bad Bunny toured December to July and sold THREE MILLION tickets in 55 shows. That's over 50,000 per show. Just one rapper in Bad Bunny is more a draw than all of pro wrestling. https://touringdata.org/
>>21140726Gotta love the Nature Boy
>>21140726when bad bunny still had his last remaining bit of sovl before fully trooning out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-riL5A4eiWQ
>>21138913>No idea why WWE keeps using hiphop nowi brought this up last week. nobody listens to any of that shit anymore. who the fuck is lil yatchy? it seems like all a black person has to do to become a famous rapper is come up with a silly name
>>21140691his chicago shows this past weekend were incredible.
Kek TI and Rick Ross, old men rapping about hustling and gangster shit when they’re living in hollywood hills is cringe, who would even go to a show like that except gray haired millennials. As someone said the problem with rap is that it sounds shit live as well as it’s whole appeal is that it’s underground anti establishment which doesn’t mix with a major concert. The hottest rap shows would be local acts where the show gets shot up by local gangs. I’m sure a Young Dolph or Chief Keef show would be pretty hype, but not only are most those types of acts dead, most promoters aren’t going to want to book them with all the police presence it would attract
>>21138743Rap is fucking terrible live. Best live stuff I have seen was that Eminem Up in Smoke or whatever your DVD they did in the 2000s and even then it's not great.
>>21142433*tour dvd
>>21142433https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TXQZw9WM84k&list=RDTXQZw9WM84k&start_radio=1&pp=ygUQZG14IHdvb2RzdG9jayA5OaAHAQ%3D%3D&ra=m
>>21142564Yeah I forgot about DMX, he was always based.
>>21138881they didn't like this one bit
>>21139002his whole life is a larp. he knows only the most normie metal which even non-metalheads know like ozzy, motorhead and metallica. Austin and Taker are the metalheads HHH is a pseud
Rap is comedy gold you'll get a """song""" with some nigger ranting about killing his enemies and selling crack to junkies then crying that the police are unfairly harassing him in the next verse
>>21138974This post is too retarded for words. Tout was a huge failure that everyone laughed at because it was just a retread of Insta which was already hugely popular. WWE was way behind the curve with uploading to YouTube, at the time TNA was the pioneer of that and it took years for WWE to adopt it as part of their media platform. As far as the Network goes it was ahead of its time but Netflix had already been around doing on-demand content for several years and had more reach. Literally nothing you said here was true and you come off like an uninformed zoomie.
>>21142975this is probably also why HHH was jealous of Jericho after Jericho came to WWF. Jericho could easily expose that bald fraud anytime he wanted
i like when the rap defenders always point to johnny cash singing "i shot a man in reno just to watch him die" to justify all the vulgar and violent murder rap songs and albums. one line in one song over 70 years ago and that makes it okay to have a whole genre all about raping and killing people with way worse and more sickening and explicit lyrics in them.
>>21142975How is it a larp to be into metal from the '80s? It's better than your double peddle Cookie Monster music you keep trying to push so hard. Sorry, Hardcore has been around for over 30 years now and it fucking sucks. No one serious is ever going to place that shit over Metallica.
>>21138743When USAID got cut many ‘black’ led industries simultaneously also went down the tube, meaning they were basically being propped up for decades by Jews and American taxpayers.
>>21139066>and You Don't Know MeI thought that one was from Marina Shafir
>>21143039what's with TrannyKO propping them up now again? they're MAGA too so it makes no sense
>>21138881based anon working the obese marks
>>21138981I saw Public Enemy this summer opening for Guns n Roses and they were actually pretty good, in part because they actually have a live band backing them. This is giga-unc/boomer rap though, don't think that applies to the dimeless shitters this thread is about.
>>21143011Hardcore is a subgenre of punk and has been for 40 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk
>>21140726I've listened to that one DtmF album from Bad Bunny, there's barely any rap in it
>>21143142they must think black people watch wrestling
