I'd be surprised if it's over with Vaquer
Also they can actually book something pretty cool for war games with the women on raw, like Iyo/Vaquer/Sol/Lola vs judgment day and Becky or something
if they want to drag out her reign and don't give Vaquer a rematch, Steph wins the rumble and they can replay mania in the other way
Unless it's Rheawinslol season
Anyway, Liv can have a good reign as long as she has a good feud, the Chelsea program might be fun or dogshit

>>21349752
The second reign was just her and dom running away from the terror cringe and third reign was basically like iyo hiding backstage and not wrestling. No idea why people are acting it’s her fault

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>>21349715
we used to have gods wrestling for this title man

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>>21349715
>Steph had to drag a good match out of her
And now we all know a Vaqueer made this thread. Liv carried the mania feud and match, and she carried again this time. Your waifu just ain't made for the big leagues, she will fuck Triple H for another chance of course, but everyone is quickly realising that she sucks and can only use her body for opportunities and to get over.

I'm just glad Becky doesn't have the title.

>>21349781
this guy is just rambling about stephanie

>>21349764
And none of these women drew a dime

>>21349752
i hope it's over with vaq, i'm so over zbess vs hawhawhaw, i feel like they've done what they could here
they need to import talent from SD for liv if they insist on keeping her champ - the raw roster is rancid, and we've seen liv have multiple good matches with iyo, surely there must be someone else she has chemistry with and they're just on the other show, and it'd help the over bloated SD women's roster where many of them don't get tv time weekly
she already feuded with and beat iyo, she feuded with and beat vaquer, she'll feud with and beat becky, and there's no one else at the main event level
rhea is gonna come back and probably win either the rumble or chamber but i think she'll go for tiffany, not liv

OPetty boilin' over Livola

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>>21349761
Cause she's a good heel lol honestly she works me really well, I'm a mark and I like it. But a lot of smarks are just fucking stupid I don't know what to tell ya, they get worked by her demeanor and get angry at her avoiding title defenses, it works. it actually made it all the better when she did defend and kept the Vaquer feud hot, but they want instant gratification every week. So do I, I don't blame em, but they just don't take a bit of time to understand how you actually make it happen, they want a 20 minutes heatless banger with Lyra. For some reason.
if they just keep Liv in a good program with another main event talent she'll do just fine and the crowd will keep getting worked, as they should.

>>21349817
Nah that feud is good, they can cool it off for a couple months and do something else, but there's just no way it ends with a roll-up small package in a three way match lmao

>>21349837
she's jillian hall on the mic man thats not good

>>21349764
the revisionism behind this overrated match ffs, the nxt girls are having way better matches, and while vaque cannot cut a promo to save her life, she moggs those 3 in the ring

>>21349837
>they want a 20 minutes heatless banger with Lyra. For some reason.
lyra can be good in the ring idk why you're saying heatless banger

>>21349837
Ironically liv vs Lyra was decent

>>21349837
i think the "heel goes a long time without defending" thing can work but that means the defenses have to mean more. i agree that smarks are retarded for wanting her to have weekly heatless bangeroonis with jobbers but that doesn't mean the big matches can't or shouldn't deliver. i think that's why people are more forgiving for roman's part time schedule for example, he's never there and as such never defends that fucking thing but when he does, they're generally great matches.
in liv's last reign, she won it off vaq in a stinker, had a good match with iyo, had a stinker rematch with vaquer, and then dropped it (in what might have been a good match? i didn't watch it).
i think her and vaquer have no chemistry. i hope that if they do continue the feud, they seriously lock in and really try with these matches because they are not living up to what they should be.

>>21349845
It should, there is nothing else left to be done. We don't need endless repeats and drawn out reigns so another person can heal up and come back to get the title.

>>21349856
Cause it's a heatless banger. A decent match with no story and Lyra doing a bunch of moves in complete silence

>>21349871
so it's lyra fault that they arent creating a story?

>>21349856
because that's exactly what a heatless banger would be?
the crowd isn't invested in her, she has no history with liv, and isn't built up for challenging for a world title, so just a random title defense would be a textbook definition of heatless banger

>>21349875
Don’t respond to him. He’ll do everything to mention her on threads that have nothing to do with her

>>21349870
No actually there's 100% something left to be done, which is Vaquer wins decisively at a big PPV
Like honestly there's just nothing better than these two in the women's division. And it just has to happen, it's literally the only women's feud that truly does good numbers. They'll just hold up on it like they usually do.

>>21349878
>the crowd isn't invested in her,
>and isn't built up for challenging for a world title,
thats mostly wwe's fault not lyra

>>21349878
Idk how that's different from Vaquer coming back after a 6 month injury and barely being featured to winning the title against IYO, that would be the literal same definition

>>21349865
should definitely watch the match in Chile and the one on Raw before if you're remotely interested in that feud cause they were legit great.
In fact the match in Chile is a candidate for best women's match ever, crowd is ravenous, never seen it with any other girls and it's just really good

>>21349875
What story is there to tell between Lyra and Liv
What story is there to tell with Lyra
Problem is she just doesn't have the personality for this business
>>21349888
No I mentioned her specifically because people (including you I'm sure) where begging for a Lyra match when Liv was avoiding defending lmao

>>21349892
And then what? She had a reign already and the first one wasn't great, the second one was over before it started. If there is no one left to challenge it's better to either move her to Smackdown or give the title to someone where it's believable others can beat her. I'm so sick of Rhea and Codyesque reigns that drag on forever and can never end in clean losses or give you the feeling someone has an actual chance of winning because the champ is booked way too strong.

>>21349895
WWE already tried with her but she just flopped

>>21349899
it made sense within the context of kayfabe, stephanie winning the BR gives her a legit claim to a title shot to the vacant title and iyo also had some claim i don't remember, it's not great but that's what happens with a vacant title

>>21349919
im pretty sure im talking to a wall with this dude

>>21349899
Yes on paper it was except two things: first there was truly a demand from the crowds to see Stephanie win the belt, second the match is a masterclass in heatless face match storytelling, perfectly paced and smooth with the right comebacks, the right hope spots at the right time and the absolute perfect finish that feels both deserved, warranted and definite
Like you can look at how Vaquer and Iyo emote throughout the match and how real they make it feel to understand what Lyra is completely missing

>>21349935
It’s the singular dude who hates Lyra over one loss.

>>21349922
There are plenty of good names to challenge and feud with Vaquer lol like literally. Rhea, Charlotte, Becky, Jade, in the established main event cohort, bunch of midcarders she can have good matches with and help elevate, plenty of recent NXT call-ups she either already worked with or could have good matches with etc...
Her first reign was 100% against Raquel like holy shit lol of course there's plenty for Vaquer to do

>>21349945
It is so fucking tiring to watch lyrafags have their little passive aggressive circlejerk every time somebody mentions the bitch they simp for, like fuck off, we don't want to talk to you, I'm not your fucking schizo enemy, get lost

>>21349961
You’re obsessed with that bitch and you always talk about her for no reason. Shut the fuck up.

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>>21349953
clock it

>>21349963
>Lyrasimp says I'm obsessed with his dimeless bitch that I name-dropped for an example in a completely unrelated conversation
Holy fuck dude touch some fucking grass, leave this fucking thread, nobody wants to talk about her, nobody wants to talk with you

>>21349972
>every game thread he mentions her
>every topic about a female wwe wrestler he just has to mention her(Tatum threads,
Roxanne threads, Liv and Rhea threads)
Milky sand. Bags of salty coins.

>>21349977
Alright I'm done feeding your nonsense, take whatever meds you're prescribed and if you don't have any see a fucking doctor

they need to bring back the draft
this should be what the top level women's scenes look like
raw
>rhea
>stephanie
>iyo
>tiffany
>bianca
>naomi
>nia

smackdown
>liv
>chelsea
>alexa
>charles
>jade
>blake
>becky

get a bit of fresh blood on each show, some new stories going, keeping some old/current ones around if it's been long enough or is still over

>>21349987
I’ll see you in the smackdown thread where she’s not even on that roster

So move her to Smackdown then. She can go have a reign there if you want to see her wrestle with Jade (lmfao). Charlotte could be good but that is literally one wrestler.

>>21350001
>naomi
>nia
>tiffany
>chelsea

>>21350001
Bianca ain't coming back, Naomi who knows, Nia can fuck off from the main event scene lol
Jade could work better on raw I think

>>21350010
a bit racist of you

>>21349715
Iyo is literally the GOAT. I'm not shocked she dragged this piece of trailer park trash to a decent match.

>>21349987
>Cause she's a good heel lol honestly she works me really well, I'm a mark and I like it. But a lot of smarks are just fucking stupid I don't know what to tell ya,
this was you the entire thread

>>21350005
Yes don't forget to look under your bed too

**** ********'s single fan is about to fake outrage in a second

>>21350020
who in the fuck am I supposed to be you absolute nutter

>>21349977
Ignore him, he's in every Liv thread and talks down on anyone who disagrees with the fact that not everyone likes his waifu.

>>21350014
Nia and Chelsea are hot garbage. Naomi is overrated as shit and isn’t worth main event tv time but since she’s black it’s ok. I’m sick of this. Bianca is the only black woman who’s main event material and she’s just black michin. Who’s technically black.

>>21350031
I don't care much for Liv, I'm a Giulia simp
I don't care much for Lyra either but she really has the most deranged dans on the board

>>21350028
>Cause she's a good heel lol honestly she works me really well,
how is liv a believable to you than starting seethe posting about lyra lol

>>21350047
Not as much as you being obsessed with a shitty midcarder. Dan.

>>21350054
**how is liv a believable heel

>>21349715
what a dick draining succubus, I wouldn't last a minute.

>>21350065
OOOOOOOOOOOBA...

>another decent civil discussion ruined by lyrafags having a meltdown defending their waifu's honor in a conversation she isn't even the topic of
wew lol aight I'm leaving the puzzle factory

>>21350065
based

>cries about a woman who has nothing to do with the topic and suddenly gets defensive when people tell him to stay on topic
Kek

>>21350070
it is legit just the same guy who is always here, crazy crazy fuck

>>21350070
Lmao you brought her up and people called you out, now you call everyone a Lyrafag

>>21350070
you literally mentioned lyra here >>21349837

>>21349854
>revisionism
What? It was highly praised from the get-go. If anything, you're the one being the revisionist.