Tywin Lannister, Lord Paramount of the west, Lord of the Westerlands, former hand of the King, and now widower at the same time as becoming a father of 4. He had sent them away, all the servants and the maester and the guards, even his eldest children who would not stop pestering him on the state of their mother, of his wife. He stood alone, in a room with a corpse made such by two children, a second pair of twins. Had it been just that, so simple as to have another set, perhaps Tywin could have stomached this loss, given time, given something useful in exchange for this loss that threatened his stone like face. Mismatched eyes, twisted body, a head that no doubt brought the strain that killed Joanna. A dwarf, a crude misshapen slap to the face by the seven who are one. He could hear it now, the laughter, the jeers, the name of his house tainted by this thing that had no right to exist. He was considering letting the sea take it to whatever the Iron born called a god, when the second shape made a grunt and shifted. It was normal, beautiful in contrast to its twin. No blemish, no misshapen features, nothing but an average baby. Tywin wondered what gift he had that made Joanna’s death a worthy price, what talent or trait would pay for the blood spilled. Tywin let out a grunt and set the two aside, walking to his wife. His fist clenched until his knuckles were white, his nails threatening to cut through his palms, before with a shudder the tension left him and the Lord of the Rock turned and exited the room.“Clean her, prepare her for the funeral.”“Yes Lord Tywin…and the infants Mi’lord?”Tywin shot a glare down at the nursemaid, who flinched away and was about to scurry off when Tywin said “Bathe them, dress them, whatever needs to be done. I will retire to my solar, do not wake me unless there is something urgent.” He said to the servants, before walking away, the air cold in his wake.Though not spoken of, for fear of earning the Old Lion’s Ire and from understanding a husband’s grief, it took Tywin a full day before he remembered to name the children.The dwarf would be named Tyrion, weather to grant the child the mercy of a proper Lannister name or to attach the named of a tormentor to him, no one could say save Tywin.The other child, the third born son, what was their name?>Write in a proper Lannister name.
>>6385297Well shit that’s embarrassing. Been awhile.Anyways here’s some name ideas.>Tybolt Lannister (named for the Grand uncle of Tywin, who died mysteriously after building up the Lannisport fleet in response to ironborn attacks.)>Lorean Lannister (named after the last king of the Rock before the conquest)>Gerold Lannister (a name honoring Tywin’s grandfather)>Rohann Lannister (a name honoring Tywin’s grand mother Rohanna Webber)>write in
>>6385301I like Lorean personally.Wonder if the superstition about one twin stealing all the blessings is getting popular in this castle.
>>6385301>write in>Jason Lannister (a name honoring Joanna and her father who died during the war of the ninepenny kings)Jason also had a weak brother so I imagine that might also go into Tywin's thinking.And an earlier Jason Lannister also had a more cunning twin brother.
>>6385303Oh that’ll definitely be the case for awhile, which will only be made worse by Cersei being Cersei. Though Tyrion will still have his intelligence, something you won’t be able to match.Also Lorean is a fun name, so I’d be down for it. Places some expectations to live up to it.Though Gerold Lannister and Rohanna were both notable Lannisters during the reign of King Aegon the Unlikely. Though there are bad rumors surrounding them both, which may fit with your birth being cursed in some ways in Tywin’s eyes.
>>6385308Oooh that’s a good find, that’s density a super fitting name.
>>6385303I will change to support >>6385308
>>6385316>>6385308Alright to keep things moving, Jason wins. Writing.
>>6385301>Rohann Lannister (a name honoring Tywin’s grand mother Rohanna Webber)
>>6385318Person of culture
>>6385319Considering I haven't read or watched ASOIAF/GoT, not really! I just liked the way the name sounded. Should have paid more attention tho, didn't realise I was voting late
>>6385320To be fair ROhanna Webber doesn’t show up in either game of thrones or the novel series. She’s a character in one of the short stories in the Dunc and Egg series, and may be a character in a future season of “A knight of the Seven Kingdoms” if they stick to the books. But she is not mentioned in the main series, save perhaps in passing if at all.
>>6385317You were Jason Lannister, and the years within the Rock were spent living in the splendor your father had secured for his family through guile, fear, and ruthlessness. You grew up witnessing, when your father was around, men of great name and wealth cower in your father’s presence or quail when his tone sharpened. No man, weather he lord or servant, could step out of line with him. And you were no exception.Your father immediately, when you were old enough to, put you to lessons alongside your twin Tyrion. There you feared his cold stare, and feared earning the even worse expression he saved for Tyrion. You attended every class, you focused on every mentor’s words, and you strove to be what the whispers said you were. They said you were the blessed child, that you had taken all the good in the womb, that the gods have given you alongside your brother as a means of making up for your mother’s death. You were the better twin, you were the one meant to be in the sun.This quickly proved incorrect. For while you were physically more appealing than you twin, he was both more clever and more agile. He took to books far easier than you, while you struggled to hold back tears as your father forced you to study and practice until the words on the page made sense. Your brother Jaime commiserated with you on that experience, and you were thankful father had practiced on him before it was your turn.You were also no prodigy in arms, in fact you did not shine whatsoever, even with your greater teachers and time you could never surpass the squires of the knights in your father’s employ, only doing so when you had maybe a few months or a year of extra training ahead of them. You never performed so poorly as to embarrass your father, but you never excelled and that felt almost as bad.Sums and history met similar ends, never showing great aptitude or talent for them. You took the lessons, and you did not lag behind the Maester’s Minimal expectations, but you did not shine in any regard and every proof of mediocrity made your father’s seem closer to regarding you no better than Tyrion.Cersei was beautiful and could talk to anyone with a silver tongue. Jaime seemed destined to be the next Arthur Dayne. Tyrion had read and memorized much of the library and had learned to dance and flip with grace.Jason had learned to fill space, you had a talent for the unremarkable.(Cont)
>>6385325By the grace of the seven, you were blessed with one thing. Brothers, both an elder whose love came without condition and was always there to try and help you and a twin who, perhaps at first resented you for your unblemished physique, found solace with you against your Lord Father’s disapproval. The fact you had been humbled early made it easier.Cersei though, Cersei was a terror. While she had scorn in excess for Tyrion, she still seemed to find plenty in her heart to give you. It made you try and please her, or earn her favor for years, but eventually it proved pointless, especially when you chose to defend your Twin from her wrath more and more.With these relationships, you pressed forward, the unremarkable spare, the talentless third born. Though, perhaps that is an exaggerated statement. You did find some things that caught your passion, and perhaps through focus and passion you managed to forge a notable skill.What was that skill?>Music?>Painting?>Hunting?>Architecture?>Horticulture?>Sailing?>Other?
>>6385326>Architecture.The building and demolition of great structures is the more literal meaning of "building legacy"
>>6385326>Music?sure, why notrains of castamere
>>6385326>>Music?Someone needs to bring some joy to the family. Plus it would piss of Tywin if his kid was just like Gerion, which is a plus.
>>6385326>Architecture?Music is lame, engineering is cool
>>6385326>Other?>Horse Riding/ Rearing
>>6385327>>63853322 for architecture>>6385331>>6385330Two for music
>>6385333Supporting.I love my horsey and my horsey love me, Jaime watch out Robb Stark is comin'.
>>6385344>>6385333lol, I’ll include horse riding along with everything else, since it’s not a major skill and it could easily be something that was easier to pick up since you were outside and got to be near animals.Will wait a bit longer before I tie breaker.
>>6385326>SailingI live for the sea
>>6385348I refuse to let horses of all things win.>>6385327>Change architecture to MusicHorses, fucking horses?>>6385352Entering a 3way tie with sailing of all things is very funny.
>>6385355Anon, changing to music isn't going to stop horses from being added as an extra
>>6385355>Horses, fucking horse reallyWow, its almost like the mounted knight is the most dominant troop westerosi armies have access to
Seriously though, what the fuck kind of skill is music? You're a noble, and your skill is being a fucking bard? What are you, some shitty peasant?
>>6385363I mean I get it. Rhaegar only real noted skill besides being fuckboy beautiful was that he was excellent with a harp. Sure he could hold a sword but uh, we saw what that got him in a real battleBoy got squashed like he was made out of Play doh
>>6385364To be fair to Rhaegar, he up against Robert fucking Baratheon.
>>6385365Yeah fair. Bobby B was a rare monster, real big s scary mother fucker in his prime, especially cause he took the hard counter to armor and mastered it. Of course Rhaegar lost, he got fucking compressed like a soda can
>>6385364It's too fucking boring for a main character skill.>Hi, I'm the protagonist. My thing is that I can play a song that sounds exactly like every single other song in this fuckass era
>>6385326>Architecture?Handy for not only building, but also breaking down stuff (siegemaster) We could also have a talent for making good drawings due to that.Maybe we can make kings landing not a shithole (a near impossible feat.)
>>6385368Damn, Barristan would ugly cry if he heard you talkin bout Rhaegar like that >>6385369I feel like Kings Landing would actively resist being un-shittified. Not the populace, but like the city itself would revolt. King's landing is such a shithole, its almost a supernatural phenomenon in of itself how shit it is
>>6385371Well, this isn't "Rhaegar Quest", is it?
>>6385371>I feel like Kings Landing would actively resist being un-shittifiedThat's why I said a near impossible feat lol. The settings has magic, dragons and a wall so big that it could count as it's own mountain range.It should be possible, but might require some sorcery to make it possible lol.
>>6385326>Architecture Perhaps the greatest bank robber in American history was a trained architect, George Leonidas Leslie. The master jewel thief Bill Mason was a handyman that owned and rented apartments out. We should be an architect and use our gift to analyze our father's targets for weaknesses, or build impregnable fortresses. Casterly Rock is famously pretty easy to infiltrate.
>>6385373Barristan is still crying
>>6385356FUCK!FUCKING HOOOOOORSES!with their stupid finger legs! I am the horse hater. If nobody hates horses it is bevause I am dead. Fuck the giant bandy legged bitches!
>>6385326>>Architecture?Jason "I like buildings :)" Lannister.
>>6385382Hey, when did they get internet in Raventree hall?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Leonidas_LeslieWe should do this^^^
>>6385387We're a noble, and if things go as they usually are our family will be the owners of the bank.
4 for architecture3 for musicArchitecture wins, i’ll write it up. I can imagine Jason likes Legos and relates a little with King Viserys.
>>6385393Nah, our boy plays with a thinking man's medium. Sand and odd bits of seashells.
>>6385394He's a noble, he gets to play with wooden blocks.
>>6385389George was also an upper class socialite - in fact, he would famously go to lavish gilded age parties and schmooze up to other architects, property owners, or bankers, and use social engineering to convince them to take a look at their plans for different vaults, citing professional curiosity or wanting inspiration for his own projects. Then he would memorize the layout and reconstruct it. He also had a knack for simply walking through spaces and being able to catalogue measurements by sight and remember them clearly. The Lannisters are famously very rich, but I think it would be really interesting if Jason, like George, became a thief largely for the love of the game. Thematically, it would make a lot of sense. He is the third born son, and barely better liked than Tyrion. He has to deal with the abusive, controlling, autocratic parenting style of Tywin. I can easily see that leading to a psychological profile that compulsively wants to outwit or outsmart authorities, to be subversive, to accrue wealth by unconventional means in order to prove to himself and others that he has the value his father and older sister won't acknowledge. Kind of like a corporate CEO's neglected child becoming a shoplifter at the mall, but at a grander scale. I am imagining the look on Tywin's face when Jason shows him a wagon full of gold expertly plundered from a Dornish barracks or presenting a priceless Valyrian steel spear he heisted from a rival Lord, to be melted down into the Lannister family sword that Tywin has always lusted after. Hanging out with cutthroats, crooks, and brothel girls, gaining a reputation as a 'Rogue Lion', and playing the Game of Thrones our own way... And sure, occasionally we show up to our dad's office with the blueprints for some new fortification or something like that, he's obsessed with legacy, so building stuff that will last and improving our family holdings will surely please him. I think would be an interesting mirror to Jaime - he is an exceptional swordsman and warrior, but he uses his skill to be a Kingsguard, making him a disappointment. Would be cool if we had a similar talent that we 'squandered' (i.e. used in a way daddy doesn't approve of) in a way that has us fitting in with the overall theme and structure of the Lannister family. That's my pitch anyways!
>>6385395He's a main branch Lannister. He may be the third son, but Tywin would have a stroke if he wasn't playing with solid gold bars
>>6385397Well, that's all nice anon, but1. George was a socialite, but we are part of the family that is set to basically take over the kingdom through our father and our sister, are we gonna go rob ourselves?2.Jason has already been stated to be pretty shitty at the socialite game, and not particularly clever either, or a good fight. He's not some dashing rogue.Really, it sounds to me like we'd be best just dedicating ourselves to the art of architecture. We must become Bob the Builder.
>>6385400Seal off the north with a second, bigger wall of Ice south of the neck. Make the Freys pay for it
>>6385401Alternatively, spec into Siege Engineering and create enough weapons to snipe those fuckass dragons out of the sky.
>>6385402We will launch imported Summer Island Lions at them. Surely nothing could go wrong with the idea of a literal Cat-apult
>>6385400Eh, I respectfully disagree. We can think bigger, and can find companions whose talents synergize with ours, and there is always going to be someone else with things worth taking - the Lannisters have a lot of enemies and are surely going to make more as the quest progresses. I think it'd be more interesting to actively participate in the conflicts in some way rather than to hang back and build castles or monuments, personally. I appreciate your perspective, though, and suppose I will have to see if other anons resonate with my vision here!
>>6385326Architecture. It was an odd thing for a noble’s son to become fascinated with. While one was expected to know how castles worked and the basic ideas around them, especially when ordering the construction of fortifications or planning a siege, the level in which you studied was beyond that. It began small, the maester leaving some slabs of metal out one day, silver bronze and gold that you saw as mortar and stone for a gilded castle. The Lord Tywin thought you were shirking you studies for play, but the Maester saw something else. From there, when you had time away from lessons, the maester helped you cultivate this talent, hoping to show Tywin that the Young Jason had something to shine with. While the maester taught you all there was to know about masonry, carpentry, and their uses in construction, you helped him construct something that you would treasure for your entire youth. Brick by brick, it grew taller. Every room was planned out, either discovered by your own eyes or through historical account. Whenever you could, you would pester one of your uncles to help you explore, Gerion and Kevan most often aiding in their own ways, and in the rare occasion even uncle Tygett lead you down as deep as he was able to tolerate. Aunt Genna gave you a small chiseling set and tools, decorated with gold and lion iconography, and you paid her back with the strongest hug you could manage.(Cont)
>>6385423It took years, but eventually when you turned ten, you and the Maester braved the door of your father’s solar and revealed the project to him: A scale model of Casterlly Rock, every floor and hall painstakingly molded, carved, and shaped into a model that could open to reveal its insides. Every room was furnished, every inch exact in detail, and most importantly of all, it revealed all there was to know about the ancient home of the Lannisters in a way that could be easily seen. Secret passages you had discovered, intersecting oath ways, locations for defenses, death traps, kill rooms, and everything needed to make invaders to the rock’s halls experience all seven hells. Most shockingly you found a whole Ballroom, shuttered away generations past due to lean times and grief, that held within it plenty of family treasures.You had made the majority of it, the Maester ceasing to help you once you began to take off with the work with childish excitement.At first, your father asked the maesters questions, but when the maester deferred to you, you began to answer your father’s questions. You showed your knowledge, your understanding, and your theories on how some of the more complex aspects of the Rock’s construction worked and why they were that way. You were even able to point out and explain what areas of the rock were in disrepair, bringing in notes and written accounts that you had never managed to memorize but were all written in your own childish hand.It was the work of your life, it was a grand mission, with a single goal: impress your father.After he spent time looking over your work, your notes, and the model in exacting detail, he patted your head once and told you well done, before returning to his work.It was the happiest day of your life. The Model would stay in his Solar, where he would go over the needs of his house using it everyday. You had found a way to shine, to not just fill space.The next week your father gave you work orders and documents, and you began to focus entirely on the maintenance and upkeep of Casterly rock as you worked for the Castellan of Casterly rock, which quickly drained the fun of your skill.(Cont)
>>6385425Then Harrenhall happened. You had been left behind at Casterlly rock, left with your brother Tyrion to mind the rock and the lands under its control while your father worked for the king as his hand, and paraded your sister to the court to catch the prince’s eye. You and Tyrion were happy to be the only ones of Tywin’s brood in the castle, to breath and enjoy yourselves, even if you both had responsibilities. You enjoyed yourselves, laughing with Uncle Gerion, learning well under Uncle Kevan, practicing your blades under Uncle Tygett’s eye to his reluctant joy, and you got to experience Aunt Genna’s undivided and unhindered affections. You remember those days well now. Sadly, they ended when your father returned with Cersei, in a greater rage than you had ever seen. That rage came crashing down on you, and it came in the form of harsher lessons, harsher expectations, and a harsher gaze, as now you were the Heir with Jaime taking in his white cloak and becoming a Kingsguard. A slight by King Aerys that, while it did not ruin the Lannister family, left your father with only his insignificant and mediocre third son as a viable heir.Before, you had some freedom, avoiding your father’s harshest handling by virtue of being an extra with no ambition. Now, he trained and pushed you as if he thought to beat you from iron to valyrion steel. And you continually disappointed him by virtue of not being smart enough, strong enough, or ambitious enough. With this came also your requirement to sustain the house. While Robert Baratheon’s rebellion coming and going, the political landscape shifted, and you were needed to secure alliances as your father maneuvered your sister into becoming Queen. Whatever talks of betrothal had occurred prior were forgotten for new matches, with your rise in station as well as your families. (Cont)
>>6385426Who were you betrothed to?>Arianne Martell (Born 276, would be 3 years younger than you) (In order to secure power in the coming new regime, and to ensure he held a trump card over the crown, Tywin captured and imprisoned Elia Martell and her children, claiming to be protecting them as he set taking Kings Landing. Using their lives as leverage, he strong armed Robert into Marrying Cersei as payment for his service to the crown in taking the city and securing the heirs, then strong armed the Martell into a marriage alliance with his heir in order to keep them loyal.)(creates tension between Martells and Lannisters, but less so than canon)>Margaery Tyrell (Born 283, would be ten years younger than you)(In order to force the Tyrell’s under heel, Tywin used the shift in power to force the Tyrell’s into a marriage pact, giving away their newly born daughter to Jason Lannister in order to ensure the Targaryen loyalists would be forced to stay loyal to House Lannister, and by extension the crown.)(Put you in between the power struggle between Tyrell and Lannisters families, almost off all Lady Olenna and Lord Tywin)>Wenna Arryn (Born 282, would be a year older than you)(Seeking to bind the crown to his family more, Tywin took the already leaning Jon Arryn and got him to agree to a marriage pact between his daughter from his second wife to Jason Lannister. This tied even the hand of the king to the Lannisters, which Tywin sought to take full advantage of.) (OC added, Jon Arryn’s second wife died without a child. Pulls you more directly into King’s landing’s politics due to your connection with the hand, as well as the Vale.)>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)
I'm gonna be honest with y'all, the only woman I know out of these is Margaerys because she was in the Telltale game which is where most of my knowledge of this setting comes from.I'll let yall choose the waifu here but I will say that for Jason's sake as a generally medíocre man who's not very good in politicking he should probably stay away from King's Landing unless he wants to get murked by Cersei so her spawn can inherit the Lannister house too
>>6385427>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)This amuses me greatly as a concept. Maybe we can expand our love of architecture into NAVAL architecture as well.Also the idea of, while I know it would never reasonably happen, Jason saying "Honey, can you kick this guy's ass for me?" because she's genuinely the better fighter is really, *really* funny to me.
>>6385427>Wenna Arryn (Born 282, would be a year older than you)(Seeking to bind the crown to his family more, Tywin took the already leaning Jon Arryn and got him to agree to a marriage pact between his daughter from his second wife to Jason Lannister. This tied even the hand of the king to the Lannisters, which Tywin sought to take full advantage of.) (OC added, Jon Arryn’s second wife died without a child. Pulls you more directly into King’s landing’s politics due to your connection with the hand, as well as the Vale.)We slowly, but surely get prepared to take over as the hand and we may stop the twins from fucking over everything. Us also knowing tunnels might even put us at an advantage in the red keep.No write in options so we could propose a Westerland family?
>>6385423>>6385425Actually got a little chill reading Twyin tell us well done.>>6385427>Arianne Martell (Born 276, would be 3 years younger than you) (In order to secure power in the coming new regime, and to ensure he held a trump card over the crown, Tywin captured and imprisoned Elia Martell and her children, claiming to be protecting them as he set taking Kings Landing. Using their lives as leverage, he strong armed Robert into Marrying Cersei as payment for his service to the crown in taking the city and securing the heirs, then strong armed the Martell into a marriage alliance with his heir in order to keep them loyal.)(creates tension between Martells and Lannisters, but less so than canon)gotta vote for this, but Asha is also a good choice, mostly because I like the reasoning Twyin had for both of them, but Arianne wins out cause...I'm a fuckin bleeding heart and I can't resit a "Elia lives" AU for the life of meFuck Gregor Clegane
>>6385428I know them, but it's been a while. Arianne is fairly minor, IIRC, so I know even less about her, but she's a dornishwoman, and they tend to be "firey" (IE, used to more egalitarian society and chafing at the bounds of the strictly patriarchical nobles in the rest of Westeros). Margarey is your standard noblewoman, but with the distinctly Tyrell-ish bent of being a good player of the Game, last I remember. Wenna is an OC, but king's landing is a nogo (sorry QM), and I don't remember too too much about Asha but she's an ironborn through and through; a real "one of the boys".Honestly, out of all of them the only one that wouldn't end up wearing the pants in the relationship would probably be Wenna, and MAYBE Margarey given the sheer age difference when the time for marriage would come.
>>6385427>Margaery TyrellJofferey wasn't killed by the Tyrells because he was a Lannister, Jofferey was killed by the Tyrells because he was a shit. Be a good man, treat Margaery well, and Olenna will be in our corner working to help us.
>>6385427>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)Pirate GF + Autistic Mastermind BFWe can use Lannister funds to make her an even better fighter, not that she's a slouch anyways. I think this is based.
>>6385431>>6385433>>6385434>>6385436>4 votes, all different Impressive. I still feel like I'm not very apt for this but I will say it seems to me like the more interesting options are either Wenna or Asha. The former is more dangerous but that's what makes a story cool, I guess I'm fine with either.
>>6385437Oooh, hadn't thought of that. She might end up turning into a monster if we get her proper tutors, armor, etc. It'd probably make Cersei mald too considering IIRC she had some hangups about not being able to do the things Jamie did, so seeing us rock up to a party with Asha would make her seethe.
>>6385438While She is my 2nd pick, there is one problem with Asha. And that's the Ironborn. More specifically, their shit ass culture and Cockroach faith. Seriously, every time there is an attempt to curb or stomp it out, a fucking army of drowned men spawn in and kill whoever the Crown put to try and make the iron islands not inhabited by a buncha cunts Its like the riverlands spawning a whole ass new population to be genocided whenever there is a war in westeros.
>>6385440Sir, I have no idea what you're talking about. The only "drowned" I know are the ones from minecraft.
>>6385433Tywin would be hunting greater alliances and only be looking at families of equal station, so the westerland families would all be too close to dirt for the Heir of Casterly rock.>>6385431I like that dynamic as well, and if you can manage it, she will be a powerful woman in your court, both in charisma and Martial prowess.>>6385434This would put you danger close to the 7 kingdoms most grudgey family who have a lot of poisons. Not to mention, the heir of Rhaegar, which puts you close to where Robert is glaring.>>6385436This is reasonable, however Olenna also wants to expand her families power just like Tywin. There will be a power struggle between them.
>>6385440Interestingly, Asha is a reformist. In the novel she pushed to try and change the Iron born to farm and be more like the greenlanders, trying to secure a better future for them by sanding down their rough edges, much like her grand father.
>>6385441Ironborn holy men/ priests. Who, besides drowning themselves and their congregation, also have the magical ability to appear from nowhere after the iron islands are conquered for the umpteenth time and a reasonable, non rapey lord is put into power and the drowned god faith is on the cusp of being put down like a sick dog So they can drag the islands back into the ironborn's old way and get back to raiding and pillaging.I have strong feelings about the ironborn>>6385442Sacrifices must be made to save Elia and her kids, unfortunately. Also, we could be the cool Lannister who goes native in Dorne. Come on lads, isn't "Jason the Sand Lion" or "Jason the Lion of the sands" a fucking sick ass epithet?
>>6385438Arryn would be cool because the Eyrie genuinely is an architectural wonder. But we are kind of a failson and in a very precarious place as Tywin's heir, so we need muscle imo. Still hoping anons back my idea for a crime arc (only truly interesting way to use our singular talent 'offensively'), and if that pans out, I think having a StrongWife and being in a relationship that defies norms would ALSO reinforce the theme of being a disappointment to Tywin and simultaneously being successful despite it. I want Jason to prove Tywin wrong, and underscore his lack of imagination. The most interesting thing about house Lannister is how Tywin's children are basically a karmic curse, they all perfectly challenge and defy his worldview, and if he'd been more open-minded and kind they probably would have dominated the Game to a much higher level.
>>6385445Yeah, Asha wouldn't be the problem, It'd be the rest of the Iron Islanders who'd shit and sneer because we made her too green and slap their hands when they try and go a raiding again or take slaves...sorry, thralls. But, a pro to marrying Asha, is we could rub it in Balon's face we're fucking his daughter...
>>6385446"Jason the Sealion" would also go hard considering sea lions are a real animal...
>>6385451..Fuck, youre right
>>6385448Oh yeah! Crime arc with the pirate waifu would be great! "Urrgh, I want to rob someone! I want to raid and pillage!" (trying to tease/unsettle Jason)"Hey, dear, lemme show you something." (sneaks them into a castle and steals everything not nailed down ck3 style) (attends a lord's party and starts hiding gold candlesticks under the poofy dress he insisted she wear for this exact purpose) (casually swipes someone's purse and nobody notices)
>>6385451>>6385454There is also the Iron Lion, if you manage to earn such a epithet alongside Asha.
>>6385446>Come on lads, isn't "Jason the Sand Lion" or "Jason the Lion of the sands" a fucking sick ass epithet?Mmmm... It is... Though I am liking the sound of 'The Iron Lion' or perhaps 'The Drowned Lion'. This is making me think of that Spanish bank that allegedly has a security system whereby, if the vault is penetrated, it is flooded with so much water that the pressure alone would crush the intruders like grapes.
>>6385456>>6385456The only Lannister that doesn't gold-plate his armor...
>>6385446The only "Lion" Jason could be is the one that spends all his day basking in the sun while his lioness goes outs and gets the food.
>>6385448I still think the "crime arc" is lame and dumb. Jason does not have the personality of a dashing rogue, I'm sorry, he just does not. He is way too unambitious and uncharismatic. He's not dumb or bad, he's just medíocre at everything except the one singular thing that is architecture.
>>6385451Oh man Sealion also goes hard as fuck... Asha just seems perfect for leaning into the schtick of defying expectations. There are big pros to the others but they feel like they conform in a way I find less appealing, and potentially put us into a more dangerous position, we could easily turn into a pawn for the Tyrell's or Martell's. Going another direction entirely will likely mean more agency and an ability to engage with the Game in a way that suits our abilities better.
Go nuts with the conversation guys I gotta head to sleep. May your waifu win the day. Keep in mind what canon events remain in the future.
>>6385458Bronze plate that shit
>>6385464Might wanna shill and drop a few links to the quest in the /QTG/, big dog.
>>6385460That's ok anon, though I would point out that it's pretty early to make sweeping judgments about the MC, at least imo, and idk how interesting it will be to play a character that seriously lacks ambition. My conception of Jason is that even if he isn't transgressive and rebellious enough to apply his talents towards burglary plots, he at least will want to build power for his family or attain security in his position or something - he's the Lannister heir. At worst I imagine him hoping to follow the playbook of Bran The Builder, to preside over some really impressive wonders or battlements, right? Either way, I am excited to see how his story unfolds.
Perhaps we could use our engineering brain to upgrade the iron fleet... To the ironclad fleet (with oars or sails ofc I'm not gonna suggest we will crack the nut on steam engines or anything too crazy).
>>6385427>Asha Greyjoy
>>6385482Iron is a bit too heavy, but how about Forrester Ironwood? If they are considered to be canon in this game. Tyrion actually was gonna buy it from them to make up the new fleet, but then shit happened.
>>6385427My vote is for either>Arianne Martellor>Margaery Tyrellbut I can't decide which. So that's why I want to ask all the other anons here some long term questions to help me choose.We know that Jamie and Tyrion are bros whilst Cersei is a cunt, but how do we want to have our relationship with Tywin go?Do we want to try our hardest to make him proud and be the obedient heir he wanted, or will we resent him and try to forge our own path?How will we feel about Jofferey?Another interesting idea is that if we need to succeed, an option could be to act as a voicebox proxy for Tyrion. We know that Tywin will never see him as worthy, even though he has the cunning and wit for it. However if Jason lets Tyrion come up with the ideas and then recites it all back to Tywin as his own ideas, then Jason would be able to somewhat bridge the gap between the three of them. If it works out, then Jason would have a genuine opportunity to make sure that Tyrion one day receives what he thinks his twin is owed; after Tywin dies of old age thinking that everything is fine, Jason could then bequeath Casterly Rock to Tyrion.
>>6385427>Margaery TyrellLet's play it safe. We could save Margaery from the prospect of marrying Joffrey while keeping the Tyrells relatively far from the throne. I also really want to explore a safer pathway for Tyrells, to see what happens when the rivalry is hopefully reduced to mostly Tywin and Olenna as we help temper it with Margaery, and/or whether we could persuade the Reach to rebel with Robert as well. Perhaps Olenna won't poison us at our wedding, but will become like the mother we didn't know?Asha would be interesting as well with her might complementing us and the prospect of ruling over two kingdoms, but we need a large canvas for our construction projects and aren't particularly ambitious - it's in character to marry the waifu Tywin presumably would have recommended us.
>>6385486>Do we want to try our hardest to make him proud and be the obedient heir he wanted, or will we resent him and try to forge our own path?I think that realistically, and specially if we go with Asha, we will most likely end up barely being a thought in his mind beyond being "Benchwarmer the Lannister" because we'll spend all our time in the rock while he's out in King's Landing doing his schemes. Jason is in that very weird position where he's a disappointment, but he's not a failure. He's an extremely mediocre, unimpressive man. He's not going to do anything ambitious behind his back. While this is bad for an heir, it's pretty much perfect for someone whose sole purpose is just to exist in the background and not fuck things up.So probably, we'll just do our own thang until he dies or whatever.>How will we feel about Jofferey?Unless we choose Wenna, we'll probably know him for all of five minutes during his wedding before he goes goes the way of the dodo.>Another interesting idea is that if we need to succeed, an option could be to act as a voicebox proxy for TyrionI don't particularly enjoy the idea of being a puppet.
>>6385486>We know that Jamie and Tyrion are bros whilst Cersei is a cunt, but how do we want to have our relationship with Tywin go?>Do we want to try our hardest to make him proud and be the obedient heir he wanted, or will we resent him and try to forge our own path?My nuanced answer is that I envision Jason resenting Tywin in a similar way to how his siblings do, but as the firmest heir of the brood Jason has the most potential to actually make Tywin proud. I see him having some complexes there, hangups, and ultimately being defiant, or rebellious in certain ways. I think that defiance would be driven by a desire to prove Tywin wrong by exceeding his expectations in unexpected ways. I think Cersei will be one of our worst enemies, naturally, and I think being Tyrion's twin, he will be our greatest ally from the jump. With his skill for intrigue, and our mind for design, we just need some real hitters to round things out. As the Lannister heir, I am going to say we should push for Sandor to be our bodyguard and let Joffrey have the Mountain instead - because the Hound is about as dangerous and much, much more trustworthy long-term. Plus Cleganebowl!!! Asha would help with this too, but there are other options if it goes another way. I don't think we should take credit for Tyrion's ideas, so much as we should lend legitimacy to them by dint of our station. We should help Tyrion prove Tywin wrong, as much as we should rely on him to help us do the same.
>>6385490>While this is bad for an heir, it's pretty much perfect for someone whose sole purpose is just to exist in the background and not fuck things up.I really am hoping that we grow some ambitions of our own as the story begins, either being imparted by whichever wife we choose, or from making judgments about the (very probable) death of Ned and kingship of Joffrey leading to a decision that we need to intervene in a radical way. I am imagining a conversation with Jaime that illustrates for us the importance of betraying an evil king for the good of others, and being horrified at Joffrey suddenly ascending to power, yaknow? I don't see the appeal of staying a 'benchwarmer'.
>>6385497I think playing a character without political ambition, especially in this setting, would be fairly interesting. Not everyone needs to want to become a super powerful king man, you know? Maybe some people would just be happier making a design for some cool irrigation canals on the iron islands.
>>6385500Or a sea wall, sealing the iron islands off from the rest of the civilized world
>>6385427>Asha GreyjoyWith a second place >MartellI have no skin in the martell game but they, the north and the crown lands are big players in the game and it never hurts to have ties.But I like Pirate wife and "I have both a bodyguard and a Wife, Pray the bodyguard gets you first" memes are funny to me.
>>6385500>Not everyone needs to want to become a super powerful king man, you know?Yeah, I definitely agree there, and I'm not necessarily saying I want to take anything that far. On the other hand, regardless of what Jason wants, he WILL become the patriarch of (what is currently) the most powerful great house. It could be funny and cool to be deliberating about which way to curve a sewer tunnel while everyone else is dealing with civil wars and white walkers - but I think those stakes will ultimately become inescapable, depending on which events the QM considers canon and which ones our inclusion is able to alter. I hope we meet those challenges with some ability that allows us to meaningfully participate, and personal reasons to do so.
Also, whether Jason wants it or not, being the chief heir to the Lannister holdings makes us a weak point for Tywin and a huge target. Taking us out puts him in the unfavorable position he has in the books - no male heir in play, causing him to jump through hoops to secure the legacy he is obsessed with. The Martells, Starks, Tyrells, Baratheons, and Daenarys will all see that plainly, and be incentivized to eliminate us in order to open Tywin up to other kinds of alliances (like the ones he had to entertain in the books) without terms being as favorable for him. Even if Jason is too politically clueless to ascertain that himself (doubtful), Tyrion definitely is not and would explain as much very clearly. I also wanna point out that if our acumen for architecture and design is comparable to Jaime's skill with a sword or Tyrion's gift for scheming, we will have an understanding of math, physics, chemistry, and history that could open a lot of interesting doors. I appreciated another anon's proposal that we design siege weapons, and I am thinking of Tywin's speech to Arya about Harrenhall being impossible to conquer with conventional troops but vulnerable to attack by dragons. I hope Jason is able to develop the means to protect his family in the wars to come.
>>6385510>will all see that plainly, and be incentivized to eliminate us in order to open Tywin up to other kinds of alliancesAll the more reason to get either a bodyguard, or a bodyguard (wife)
>>6385512Right! I am definitely partial to the idea of Sandor being our Bronn, though I am also wondering just how vastly it would alter the course of the world for him to stick by us instead of abandoning Joffrey and ending up with Arya - would she still become a Faceless Man? Hard to say, and maybe not worth wondering about because it would probably take many many many many threads to approach that part of the timeline anyways, at which point the butterfly effect of our meddling will have likely impacted a lot more of the board than I can imagine now.
>>6385518> because it would probably take many many many many threads to approach that part of the timeline anywaysDepends entirely on the speed at which things progress. Could be that we just sit out a lot of events due to not being at the capital.
>>6385519Yeah, true, and I think popping time skips every so often is necessary to tell any authentic ASOIAF story.
>>6385460>>6385479IIRC, Lann the Clever, founder of the Lannisters, was westeros-renowned for being a conniving little shit, which is how he took The Rock. Maybe we're just a throwback.
>>6385525"Conniving and little" seem like far more apt descriptions of our twin brother.
>>6385528He got the social graces and literal description, we got the dexterity and metaphorical description. Like how Jamie got the brawn and Cersei got... well, she's pretty.
>>6385529Tbf to Cersei, I always felt like she could have been as good of a schemer as Tyrion if she didn't need herself with her insane ego and insane loyalty to her worthless dumbshit incest babies. Several of her plots work out damn well on paper, but she mostly seems to fail forward through spite until she just runs all the way out of rope. Genuinely consider it to be proof of the Gods that all of Tywin's children so epically repudiate his worldview. It's like a fucking Greek tragedy.
>>6385533Nerf**
>>6385427>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)
>>6385533The fun part is that Jason also seems to do so. Jason presents the idea (although we have yet to see if it shakes out) that you don't need to be a "Great Man" to rule a Great House. Sometimes, all you need to do is be calm, grow steadily, and stay in your lane and OUT of the drama of everyone else backstabbing each other.Not counting the hobby of robbing people, of course. The former refers to Jason's presumed governing style, which would no doubt focus hard on building good buildings and well-laid-out towns and cities, infrastructure like roads and docks, etc. to promote the health and growth of the people in a way that doesn't overrely on Lannister gold mines.
>>6385427>Wenna ArrynWow Jason's options are all pretty fucking awful. A dornishwoman, a literal baby, a girl who'll drag him into cutthroat politics, and a filthy Greyjoy bitch. At least Jon Arryn's an okay dude.
>>6385427>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)Absolute baddie alert
>>6385599>At least Jon Arryn's an okay dude.Was* I am secretly more afraid of the Arryn route than any of the others, because proximity to Jon's freaky ass widow - and by extension, Littlefinger's most intense scheming - feels the least safe to me of all, with Margaery as a close second.
Alright time to count!4chan won’t let me mass quote posts so trust I did actually count them.6 for pirate waifu2 for Wenna Arryn2 for Marge2 for the Dornish babeAsha Greyjoy wins! Time to write
>>6385612got here too late for the vote but i would have voted for Margaery Tyrell to make a lannister/tyrell bloc
This is going to end up as either the best marriage or the worst, no in between lol
>>6385440>whole ass new population to be genocidedlol
>>6385519>Depends entirely on the speed at which things progressSo far, it seems speedy
Huge question: could we possibly earn the respect of the Greyjoy men by teaching them how to identify and exploit architectural weaknesses to maximize plunder? Victarion scares me... Will we be able to save Theon from being Reek'd by Ramsay? Will we be smart and capable enough to deploy the Iron Fleet against Danny effectively when she finally sails for Westeros, or will we get our ass wrecked by her dragons? The mind boggles at the possibilities...
>>6385666Wasn't Asha allied to the dragonhoe?
>>6385666i feel like we'd have to somehow stop the greyjoy rebellion. i'm just hoping that our marriage will stop them from raiding the westerlands
>>6385668The Greyjoy Rebellion has happened given the description. Tywin probably has eyes on the Iron Islands like Tommen I Lannister and Fair Isle.
>>6385673Yeah, you presence basically gives Tywin anothe rpiece on the board to move for his plans, one he used with ruthless ambition to take advantage of Balon's ill fated rebellion.
>>6385667I haven't read very much of the books, though I'm pretty interested in the lore. In the TV show, Asha was replaced with Yara, who is broadly similar and did end up allying with Danny - though I felt at the time it was less about a fondness for her and more about opposing the show's version of Euron. I am very interested to see how our relationship with Asha impacts the fate of Theon, and the behavior of Balon, Victarion, and Euron. The latter two are so fucking dangerous but so impossible to control. If the Lannisters do go to war with the Starks, as is still extremely likely, I imagine Asha will want us to help liberate Theon as soon as possible.
>>6385678oh so it's an au where the greyjoy rebellions happen pre-Robert's rebellion?
>>6385683No.>Robert Baratheon’s rebellion coming and going, the political landscape shiftedand>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed
>>6385427>Arianne Martell (Born 276, would be 3 years younger than you) (In order to secure power in the coming new regime, and to ensure he held a trump card over the crown, Tywin captured and imprisoned Elia Martell and her children, claiming to be protecting them as he set taking Kings Landing. Using their lives as leverage, he strong armed Robert into Marrying Cersei as payment for his service to the crown in taking the city and securing the heirs, then strong armed the Martell into a marriage alliance with his heir in order to keep them loyal.)(creates tension between Martells and Lannisters, but less so than canon)
>Jaime sticks his dick in related crazy>Tyrion is a ugly dwarf>CerseiTywin finally got one moderately right.
Btw, sorry for no post yet. I had to run a Lancer game, but i'll try to get a post out tonight/tomorrow morning
>>6385712Too bad he's so Moderate that he is overshadowed by all of his siblings.
>>6385712Honestly, Jason WAS the blessed twin. He was blessed with no being a wacko like every other Lannister.
>>6385713>Lancer Based
>>6385716Jason won't go down in history as "The son of Tywin Lannister," Tywin Lannister will go down in history as "the father of Jason Lannister," trust
>>6385742BASED
>>6385612The Greyjoy rebellion started and ended suddenly, and it saw the destruction of the Lannisport fleet. It was a crushing blow to your father’s stature as a military power, one that sent him to the Iron isles with the intent to create a second verse to the famous song he was known for. To you however, it was a clear and easily solvable problem. The longships of the iron born relied on speed and stealth to strike targets, and had capitalized on that to cripple the Lannisport fleet. While your father went off to exact his blood price, you, Tyrion, and Gerion decided to improve upon the port. Using sand and stones and gravel, you made the port less open, and worked to make it so that a single mouth in and out was the only way in, placing rocks and stone masses carved to be impassable or too heavy to pull aside along the artificial extension to the land.By the time you father returned, he found an ugly, spikey, eye sore extending into the bay of his beautiful port. You had to carefully explain its purpose and how you planned to improve upon it in years to come to make it a fortification to spot incoming pirates and storms while breaking rogue waves to finally settle the annoyance of your father. What settled his anger was the price, or lack there of, of the endeavor as it required only things locally available and helped set up fishing spots for peasants, thus they were willing to do the work for cheap as long as they had rights to fish freely in these new areas. You told your father that the idea to use the peasantry was Tyrions, and how he had convinced them to work so cheaply to make way for fishing they could hold rights to. Your father barely aknowledged it, merely stating a desire to avoid giving the common folk too much leeway. “Your sand castle is shite and couldn’t keep out a raiding party of crippled old men let alone true Reavers.” Was the first words Asha Greyjoy had said to you. She had meant it as an insult, a slap to the face to you and Tywin. One that made your father nearly rage, but one you countered simply.“Oh? How so? I did my best to read on Iron born tactics, but if it’s that bad, I’d love to hear your thoughts. Nothing beats a direct source.” You said with a smile, unaware you were talking to your betrothed, freshly stolen from the iron isles.Not knowing how to handle your response, she punched you in the stomach and ran off. It took your father’s men three hours to capture her, after which she had her hands struck with a crop until they were red.After crawling from your bed, your stomach still screaming in pain And completly evacuated from your vomiting, you found her in one of the secret passages you liked to sneak to, silently crying away from where anyone could see or hear.>Try to comfort her>Leave her to cry>try to punch her back>Ask her if she’s ready to share her opinion yet>Ofher
>>6385783>Beat her up
>>6385783>>Try to comfort herNo doubt. I LOVE MY PIRATE WIFE! She is scary. Like Tywin. Nothing Fruedian about this relationship at all.
>>6385783>>Ask her if she’s ready to share her opinion yetslow and steady
>>6385783>Sit with her and ask if she wants to share her opinion yet.Let her keep her pride and show no hard feelings.
>>6385783>Ask her if she’s ready to share her opinion yet
>>6385802>>6385786>>6385791Ask her opinion wins.+1 relationship with Asha Greyjoy. -4/20 disposition.The year is 289 AC, you are 16 years old and Asha is 15 years old.Writing
>>6385803Does Jason know about Tysha btw? I feel like he would have some strong feelings about that whole situation.
>>6385805Funny story, I did not realize it happened when Tyrion was 13. So it’ll be the next major event, aging things up a bit.
>>6385803Do you think comfort would have gone with +2 or +3 disposition?Or not any gain
>>6385806Would violence have solved anything with Asha?
>>6385810I don't think trying to ambush the crying teenager with red raw hands in retribution would have gone well.My pondering is if she would handle actual empathy or allowing her to pretend she wasn't crying is the better move. Cause iron born
>>6385811Probably the former since most of the greyjoys internalised the ideology at a young age.
>>6385813You mean the latter. Cause no way a greyjoy internalised healthy displays of vulnerability at a young age.
>>6385821yeah that.
Yeah like there are kind of two options I can see readily available.1. Out misogny her Ironborn ways/Claim her via Ironprice or some shit.2. Deprogram her worldview.
>>6385823I don't think we can pay the iron price my dude.We're a year older but I think she was a reaver from the time she could get on a boat. Plus, you know, conforming to a lesser culture.Of other note, there is the secret that people can be won over with kindness. Even someone who professes that might makes right, probably doesn't like being overpowered. Just got to chip down to what she enjoys and work past all the retarded framework the ironwork have self reinforced.
>>6385830>There is the secret that people can be won over with kindness.>From a son of Tywin lannistersure.... why not.
>>6385783>>try to punch her back
>>6385809It would have lost your disposition. Pity from a weak Greenland boy whose father punished her hands, burned her home, and stole her?Comfort was not the route. Pity would have been an insult.
>>6385831That. . . Is fair.This is really more of a Tyros "Laughing Lion" move, and we know how Tywin feels about his old man.>>6385834Yeah, I figured. Still, good to confirm.
>>6385831Still. Tywin being an insecure tyrant doesn't mean that it's wrong. Tyrion the happy go lucky dwarf surely understands this lesson too, and has no traumas that would prevent the application of this lesson>Clueless
You silently listened for a time, a considered trying to comfort her like a gentlemen should, but your sore stomach was enough to convince you otherwise. You felt a pang of rage at the pain, and considered punching her back, but that would just be beating down on a girl already beaten both body and possibly soul. So, you considered a new option and boldly walked into her little alcove. You did not bother to hide, so she was quick to stand up and pull out a knife she had somehow found and hold it ready, glaring at you. You thought about running but honestly, she looked like she could run you down in skirts easy, so instead you sat across the hall from her, looking at her and remaining quiet as she stared at you, waiting for something.“Are you ready to share it?”Her eyes grew wide, and her stance loosened as she looked at you like you were simple “Wut?”You ignored her manner of speaking, knowing that intelligence was not determined by visible factors. “Your opinions, your knowledge, your criticisms on my sea wall.” You said calmly, looking at her as if her face wasn’t puffy and her hands weren’t shaking from pain. “I tried to devise a way to counter the common tactics of the Iron born, studying what I could in the library and getting my brother Tyrion to help me, he’s smarter than I am. But you said it wouldn’t work, why?”She looked at you, her stance melting to just confusion and disbelief “You…you want me to…I punched your stomach hard enough to knock you out.”“Yes, and it still isn’t very pleasant. Doesn’t really have anything to do with what I asked. Though I’d prefer it if you didn’t do it again.”“Or what, you’ll get your father to punish me again?”The thought made you grow cold. No one deserved to be the recipient of your father’s wrath “No, I guess I’d have to defend myself.”“I thought Greenlander men never struck women.” She said mocking, crossing her arms.“Well…you’re not a Greenlander woman, so I suppose it wouldn’t count?” You say questioningly, meeting her gaze as you leaned back against the wall “Now, my sea wall? Because if you don’t have any actual opinions worth sharing, I’d like to go back to bed.”This seemed to anger her, and you half expected her to kick you, but instead she sat down across from you and crossed her legs, her skirts torn and cut to allow her free range of motion “Your light houses are to close to the port.” She said confidently, defying you to disagree with her.(Cont) (posting as I go through writing)
>>6385846Instead you considered the problem, chewing on your cheek before pointing at the idea “by the time they see the raiders and send warning, it’ll be too late?”She looked shocked, nodding lightly “Y-yes. And your sea wall would give us cover in the right light to sneak up and kill the sentries.”You nodded, considering your ideas. “The reach has plenty of history dealing with your raids, along with the north. Perhaps I should send a raven to relevant houses for ideas. Simply building light houses further up or down the coast isn’t enough, your fleet can go to sea and then approach in the night.” You pondered, standing up and not noticing Asha’s gazing growing sharp. You looked to her “anything else?”“No, I’m not helping a Greenlander by telling him all our secrets.” She said with a snarl.You shrugged “Fair enough. Thank you for what you did give though, it changes everything. I’m heading off to bed, if you are hungry go down this passage, left left right right straight, then behind the picture of the fat Lannister there is a servants passage no longer in use that goes straight to the kitchens. There should be left over food or even fresh bread at this hour.” You said, before walking off.Asha was quiet for a time, then her stomach made her speak “W-wait what wa-““Down, left left right right straight fat Lannister!” You said quickly, wandering off to bed with your mind full of ideas.(Cont)
>>6385847The next few days were a sort of tense. Asha rebelled at any attempt to bring her in line with the expectations of a young lady of her station, and for it she was punished either being denied meals, or having her hands smacked when she fought others, or any number of ways your father thought would quell her rebellion. From your perspective, you reasoned it was fruitless to try and use discipline and force to change Asha, force never worked in the Iron Born in the past and you doubted it would work now just because your father willed it. You however, didn’t really have a solution to the problem. You just sort of, interacted with her. You never tried to coddle or console her, you felt that would get you another punch, and you were never one to resort to violence like your father. So what few encounters you had with the Lady Kraken, you spent them either giving her a tour of the vast halls of the rock, or letting her stew in silence when you stumbled into a hiding spot she thought was her own, only to discover you used it as one of many refuges from your father or your expectations.One day, she grew bold and asked you “Can you show me how to get out? To escape?”You nodded “Oh easily. I know all the passages and routes, even a perfect one that would give you plenty of a head start or one that’ll get you to sea.”“Tell me then!”“I do-“She held a knife to your throat and met your gaze with hers, a gaze that perhaps might have made another man fear but compared to your father’s wrath is felt comical “tell me or I slit your throat.”(Cont)
>>6385854“Well if you did that you’d get lost and then killed when my father found you using the model of the rock I made for him. And even if I told you, it wouldn’t matter.” You said matter of factly, feeling the blade get closer and your earlier cool slipping as you processed that mortal peril was the same regardless of the quality of the glare.“Why, don’t think I can escape?”“N-no, I know you can. I just know my father would find you, no matter what.” Asha smirked “Oh Please, I could lose his scouts and his ships. I could disappear into the iron islands, make it back to my father.”“Uh huh, then my father will burn every island he finds your scent to the ground. He would get the king to march his armies to pull you out of whatever place you found to hide, even if they had to burn your father’s castle to the ground.”Asha looked at you like you were bluffing, then she saw that you weren’t “Why? All that work to just get me back? He doesn’t want me as a good daughter.”“You don’t matter to him. He’d do it because you escaping makes him look weak, makes it look like he can be defied. To him, if you stay you’re a tool, if you escape you’re an insult…That’s how he sees everyone.” You say the last part quieter, feeling her take the blade away.There was silence for a time, before you pointed to her knife “Where do you keep getting those? I’m pretty sure my father searched your rooms constantly.”“I’ve been hiding knives I’ve picked off your guards all over the passages and halls.” She said, her voice dejected as she casually slipped the knife into a makeshift sheath.(Cont)
>>6385855After a few weeks of Asha living with your family, your father put together and hosted a tourney to celebrate the victory against the Iron Born. Asha and you were expected to attend Publically, to represent house Lannister and to show off your betrothed. Until Asha reached her majority, Tywin did not want to risk appearing too eager to get the marriage over with. It was a level of tact you felt was more to appear like a proper lord than out of consideration for Asha or the law.Asha was a terror to her ladies in waiting, the staff, and to any Lannister man who thought to get close to her. Though she was eventually forced into a fine dress in her house’s colors, your father had to keep guards close by to ensure she did not run off or take a knife to the fabric.So there you were, the Heir to the rock and your betrothed, watching golden petals and knights dominate the city of Lannisport. From a certain distance, it might look like a story book come to life. Look closer though, one would find you bored, Asha livid, Tywin looking for any slight deviation from his perfect display, and Tyrion had wandered off, likely to drink. While you never developed a taste for wine like he did, you did miss when you could easily wander with your twin.“Lord Jason?” Said a girls voice next to you, so close it made you jump as you shot to look at Asha, who was sitting up straight and proper, earning a brief glare from your father before he looked away.“Y-yes, Lady Asha?”“I grow weary of the sound and heat, might we retire to a tent for a time?” She asked, looking at you with a dignified face of a proper lady, but the eyes of a caged shadow cat ready to kill.>Take Asha back to the tent, and hopefully give her a chance to do whatever it is she needed.>Ignore the request in order to stay where your father desired you.>Offer to instead take her to an Inn or tavern so you may introduce your brother to her>other
>>6385859>Agree while Twyin is in earshot.>Once out of earshot, Offer to take her to a tavern to Meet Tyrion.Terrible influence on us. Gonna make Dad mad. Worth it.
>>6385862+1
>>6385862+1Delightfully devilish Jason
>>6385855>Ironborn destroyed by facts and logicsLol>>6385862This is an awful idea that in no way could go wrong Poor Jason just wants to play with his Lego and his bethrothed is insane, and his family is a fucking shitshow.please tell me Kevan is our favorite uncle
>>6385862+1Maybe far into the future, we could build her, her own personal boat to sail.
I know I'm outvoted but I feel like you people are being too way too big a pussy. Are we just going to let her trample all over us our whole life?
>>6385875We have no real excuse when Tywin finds out. Can't exactly tell him "your means of force don't work on her" because his rebuttal is "force can make anyone do anything, I don't need them to like it" and our means of bonding still allows her to act in a wild/publicly disgraceful manner.At best, the excuse we can make is "introducing her to tyrion and the small folk she will be ruling to impart a sense of obligation" which ideally he will just think is us being stupid rather than rebellious.
>>6385881we are about to go drinking with our twin, how is that a being a pussy, she might even join in.
>>6385883We're dodging our father's orders just so we can have her meet our rebellious brother because...?You're just letting everyone walk all over him.
>>6385881Neither Jason nor Asha want to be at this tourney, why not hang out with Tyrion instead?
>>6385885Because it's ultimately just letting her go around doing what she wants at. We don't want to give her the idea she can just ask us anything and we'll go "yes dear"
It'd be really funny if Jason converts to the Drowned God religion. Just cause it might be enough to make Tywin take a leap into the rocks off of Casterly Rock
>>6385881While I agree it's going to be a lesson that has to be learned, I already shared my two cents on the Asha thing but course correction has not come up yet.
>>6385884Or maybe thats what we want them to think. Besides its character building right now complain later.
>>6385881Your words would have merit if there was any benefit to staying.The parade is boring, Lord Tywin isn't going to approve of us staying since he would expect us to do that. Meeting expectations is a disappointment, and leaving is a disappointment.We gain nothing by staying but an irate wife and gain censure by father and a few hours of good company and fun by going.>>6385888There is a time for setting boundaries, and that is when we actually meet those boundaries.Like for example, picking on our twin or trying to clobber him for being a little shit. No, don't do that, we will intervene. Because that is a boundary.Staying here in boredom is not.
Wonder if Asha had the lowest starting Disposition of any of the matches, or if one of them would've been lower. Maybe Arianne
>>6385895Real question right here.
>>6385895I doubt any of the others would have punched him in the stomach.
>>6385895Asha had the lowest yeah. Followed by Arriane at 0, Wenna at 2, and Marge at 3.
>>6385898Hell yeah, we on the "Jason Must Die" difficulty
>>6385896The real question is Jason built broad like his uncle Kevan or more lean like a twink. Asha in the books has a weakness for pretty boy twinks.
>>6385900She's also into being Dom'd by said twink if I remember right
>>6385900Given we are a capable swordsman, probably bulked out
>>6385903>Given we are a capable swordsmanAren't we specifically mediocre, like we are at everything else?
>>6385904>Everything elseHey, we're good at playing with Legos.
>>6385904We are a "nothing special in every category required to be a noble" save architecture.We put in the work, under parental pressure we did do some work that our uncles didn't find frustrating or tedious. So I can only assume our efforts are all at like a B- or B+
>>6385904You are about as bulked as one would expect of an average boy who has been practicing swordsmanship and staying fit. As a Lannister you were not allowed to simply idle in a study, but meant to shine as a Lord’s son. So, you are passable as a swordsman. Anyone with true skill or passion would probably beat you, but against the common man or untrained? Well you’d naturally outperform them.
>>6385900Id say we are just an average dude.
>>6385862Landslide victory, writing
>>6385908We also have a nobles diet, which assuredly helps us one up john peasant down the road
>>6385908Also I’d say that, as a Lannister, you are naturally twink leaning. So with how you are, yeah you are a decently built twink. If you were blessed with beauty like your elder siblings, you might be rival to Lora’s or Jaime. But alas, you’re alright to look at.
>>6385908>>6385913I think I found Jason's themehttps://youtu.be/GmG4X9PGOXs
>>6385859>Take Asha back to the tent, and hopefully give her a chance to do whatever it is she needed.See what she wants first, since she remembered to ask nicely and the request itself is reasonable. If Tywin gets annoyed we can say that we thought it'd be embarrassing for the family if she passes out in public from the heat. You can beat someone into obedience, but you can't beat them into not having heat stroke.From there, once inside the tent, we can maybe suggest also meeting Tyrion like >>6385862 said. It depends on what she wanted to retire for. Personally I don't think it'd be a good idea for the two to meet since she will ABSOLUTELY make fun of Tyrion for his height, and we'd either have to stick up for our twin which would cause her to dislike us, or we would go along with her mockery which would upset our brother.
>>6385881Eh, this quest and betrothal barely started. Besides, Tywin and Cersei have walked on Jason quite a bit more.
>>6385915Jason in the universe where we picked music rather than Architecture
>>6385859It took you a brief time to process what Asha asked, then translate it into what she meant, but you took a little pride in yourself when you checked to see if your father was in ear shot before you spoke, Asha giving you a slight smile.(+1 disposition with Asha, -3/20)“Of course My lady, it is rather balmy today, and I can only imagine how dreadful it is for someone used to a chiller climate.” You say, standing and offering your arm to Asha, who took it. As you lead her from the Lannister box, the guards assigned to her followed behind you both, your eyes meeting your fathers. His stare was baleful, a question and a demand all in one, but Asha’s arm around yours was tight and you could feel a sheathed dagger somewhere beneath her dress, so you dumbly waved to your father and kept walking, the picture of a noble gentleman escorting his betrothed.You entered your tent, a private castle of canvas and cloth decorated Crimson and Gold, and your guards made to follow you in. Until Asha began to undress completely, to which you turned and pushed the guards back “Avert your eyes gentleman,” you said, propriety making you faster with wit than anything “My betrothed requires privacy.”“B-but Mi’lord, your father gave us-““No orders to stare at the future Lady Lannister I would hope, less you are calling my father a deviant or admitting it yourselves.” You say, pushing them out of the tent, leaving them dumbfounded and confused on what to do “Oh, just stand guard out here. I doubt Lady Asha is so savage an Iron born she would escape into Lannisport without even her small clothes. Now, stand menacingly or something.” You say, closing the tent flaps and tying them shut, before stepping backwards and doing the same to the inner flaps. You did not turn around to look as you spoke, loud enough for Asha to hear but not her guards “So, I know I lack the charm and wit to have bested your heart,”There was the sound of rustling and her dress flew and smacked into the tent wall, draping across some expensive decoration whose presence was more to spend money than enjoy “Oh, aren’t you perceptive.” Asha said with a laugh, her bra flying and landing by your feet. Twas a frilly thing.(Cont)
>>6385926You looked away and cleared your throat “I have my moments. Did you have a plan beyond bask naked in the Lannister tent?”“My plan was to get away from that farce, forced to sit all day and watch men fight and risk life for coin and acclaim, I get the appeal of fighting but watching it? In clothes like these? No wonder you Greenlanders panic when we raid you.”“I’ll admit, I was rather bored myself, though my kind of a good time may bore you to tears.”“Let me guess, playing with a model or reading some treatise on masonry?”“Or a treatise on models, some fascinating insights can be hidden in those.” You say with a smile, hearing her sigh in exasperation.“I’d be bound to the drowned god with all the tears I’d shed, enough for him to think the sea itself took me. I need excitement, I need something worth doing, something to get my blood burning.”“I thought you disliked the heat,” you said, then flinched as her shoe hit your head. “Ow, no, fair retort.”>Suggest she sneak out and join the melee as a mystery knight. You could stay hear and read a book, making it sound like you were reading to her while she rested.>Suggest you both sneak out and find your Twin, Tyrion, who is no doubt in his cups or making merry at some tavern.>Suggest she actually nap and stay in the tent, to avoid risking your father’s anger. Perhaps she’ll like your books if you read them to her.
Jason's favorite god out of The Seven has to be The Smith, right?Crafting, specifically construction and architecture, is his passion.On a separate note, how do we think Jason should feel about the "secret relationship" between Jamie and Cersei?Would he be disgusted, completely indifferent, sympathetic / pity them, or encouraging and supportive of them?
>>6385928>Suggest you both sneak out and find your Twin, Tyrion, who is no doubt in his cups or making merry at some tavern.Not the first one. This is a Lannister tournament. Fucking Clegane is out there!
>>6385929Disgusted or indifferent
>>6385929If he were to pick a favored god, a patron god, then the smith would definitly be his first pick. Jaime would pick the warrior, Tywin the father, Cersei the mother, and Tyrion would likely drink to whichever god got their names shouted in the bar.As for the incest, currently Jason is unaware of the incest, though Tyrion is aware.
>>6385929>On a separate note, how do we think Jason should feel about the "secret relationship" between Jamie and Cersei?Either completely unsurprised or even funnier actually oblivious (It's not lego)>>6385928>Suggest she sneak out and join the melee as a mystery knight. You could stay hear and read a book, making it sound like you were reading to her while she rested.I'd suggest something a lot more hotblooded but.......yeah
>>6385935We are not sending our wife to fight Gregor Clegane
>>6385938To be fair, as a high profile knight he’s likely jousting more than partaking in the melee. Though there is a chance, jousting has the most prestige and payout.
>>6385935I agree with the others, Clegane is a bad idea.>>6385928>Suggest we both go see Tyrion>Do not mock my brother when we meet him. He is Tyrion, Not "Dwarf"There, for those who are overly concerned about boundaries, set them now.
>>6385928>Suggest you both sneak out and find your Twin, Tyrion, who is no doubt in his cups or making merry at some tavern.
>>6385928>Suggest you both sneak out and find your Twin, Tyrion, who is no doubt in his cups or making merry at some tavern.I don't like having to sneak out, but I'd rather do this than to risk watching her get turned into a smear on the ground.
>>6385938I mean it's not going to win if the last few votes were an indication so whatever.but yeah unless you guys want this rellationship to go to shit the passivity and ''softness'' needs to be changed soon.
>>6385941I'll +1 adding some ground rules to my vote here >>6385931
>>6385928>Other: Suggest sneaking down to the harbor and boats where she might feel more at home. He can help her build a small private shrine to The Drowned God that she can visit and pray at when she misses home. Jason can also tell her about Lannister ships, so that if she still dreams of running away and escaping, she can at least not get herself killed.I agree with >>6385931 , Ironborn or not, letting a 15 year old girl fight in a tournament sounds like a disaster. Suggesting that she take a nap is the exact opposite of what she's told us that she needs. This would leave the Tyrion option, which I think is way better than the other ideas, but I'm still worried about my earlier concern that she might treat him horribly due to his height.>>6385933Oh I get that Jason is unaware atm. I was just wondering how all the anons think he would react, and subsequently feel about it.
>>6385946I would support this idea but I don't want to tie up the voting process and delay any updates.
Go see Tyrion wins, time to get some drinks!(+2 Disposition with Asha, -1/20)
>>6385946Then put down ground rules. We have given enough leeway that losing us as an ally would be poor for her.I don't think a shrine is the best idea in the world, but talking about the ships also doesn't sound like it fits what she wants to do either.Unless you fancied taking her sailing, and trusting she doesn't try to run again.
>>6385951Too late.
>>6385952The shrine is an idea for later, when we're in the positives and have brainwashed her to enjoy building blocks via subtle subliminal messages
>>6385938Yeah, getting rid of The Mountain so early would be boring
>>6385955So we absolutely cannot make a shrine in lanister lands dedicated to the drowned God.That would be a scandal and a sign of weakness and the religion is also dogshit.That being said, making secret rooms is fun, designing buildings is very fun and giving a personal room to our spouse as a gift for homesickness could be some approval gaining measures.Need to balance out the scales though. Human relationships work best when the scale is 60/40 in terms of effort, and each side trying to be the 60.
>>6385952Actually good idea, start with ships and Ironborn lego building and go from there, if she behaves herself (I.E we don't have to keep covering her ass because of Tywin) she'll eventually get some freedom to travel to lannisport with us.
>>6385952Oh yeah, in that case if we're able to set up some ground rules, then meeting with Tyrion is the way to go.>>6385955>>6385959Having the shrine be known about is obviously a bad idea. This would be something secret, just for her. A spot amongst the cliffs above the waves where she can pray or simply be alone. We already know that she has regularly tried to find hiding places in the secret passageways where she can have some privacy; this would be one that even Tywin doesn't know about.Since we're not doing it today, Jason could start on it now so that it would be ready in time to make for a nice wedding gift to her. He does like to build things after all.
>>6385968Oh yeah, the wedding gift!That'd be a perfect justification.
>>6385944>but yeah unless you guys want this rellationship to go to shit the passivity and ''softness'' needs to be changed soon.We have had three votes that affect Asha's disposition with us. We have improved her disposition towards us with all three of them, and lowered it with none. You should relax. She's a traumatized teenager, and being kind and patient is going to steadily earn her affection and respect. We haven't had any votes where it would benefit us to control her or take charge, and in the books/show she actually is kind of a reformist among the Ironborn, wanting to move away from a lot of their inferior, regressive ideology, I think we should be an example of why that can work out for the best.
>>6385968>Since we're not doing it today, Jason could start on it now so that it would be ready in time to make for a nice wedding gift to her. He does like to build things after all.Very smart! I think we should make sure she gives a shit about the Drowned God first, iirc she doesn't actually worship him, but that may be a decision she makes later in life. A nice alcove in the cliff side for watching ships by telescope would still probably make her plenty happy if she tells us Gods can kick rocks.
>>6385973Obviously we should make an Aquarium. Think of how big of a flex making an aquarium would be for house Lannister as well.
>>6385974Aquariums are actually really hard to make due to weight and strengths.The challenge is down right. . Hmm, Architectural.When you are as rich as a lanister, vanity challenges are new signs of wealth
“Here’s a thought,” You said, smiling to yourself as you felt a bit of thrill at this slight rebellion “We should go meet my Twin, Tyrion!”“The Imp?” Asha said.“Tyrion.” You said, steel suddenly finding root in your voice as your body stiffened. You could not see Asha’s reaction, but you continued on, your tone rising “He’s no doubt found himself drink and merriment aplenty, and much to my father’s consternation, he always manages to find the wrong kind of crowd, which may be just right for you My lady.” you say, though a bit teasingly at the end.There was silence as fabric shifted, trunks were opened, and belts were strapped, before she let out a sigh “Fine, I’ll play along” She said, tossing a set of more roughspun clothes, the kind one wore when they were going out riding or planned to experience a more rough and tumble kind of day. Turning, you saw that Asha had transformed, wearing breeches and a shirt, along with boots and belts, a comfortable sheath for her stolen knife at her hip. She smiled at you “Well hurry up little Lion, we have an i-” You eyes grew close to a glare as the syllable began, and you noticed a sharpness enter Asha’s own gaze as she adjusted “We have a twin to find.”Appeased, you made to undress then looked at her “I suppose privacy isn’t an option for me?”She rolled her eyes “Oh hurry up, you don’t have tits or cunt hide, so quit acting like you do.” She said, falling back onto a chair and propping her feet up on an expensive table, grabbing a fruit as she watched, taking a big bite as she waved you forward.Rolling your eyes, you redressed, not seeing her appraising look over your body. After that, you both being in clothing much better suited for tavern crawling, you both snuck out from the tent by crawling beneath the heavy tarp, dirtying your clothes, and ran off.Asha used her skills as a reaver to move without being seen by Lannister men, and you used your own skills at hiding from your father’s wrath to hide in her shadow, though you made a poor shadow when compared to her movements.(Cont)
>>6385978It took you a few taverns, all ones your brother frequented, but eventually you found him in the one closer to the eastern gate, one that had what looked like a golden bear wearing a barrel. You assumed the name was the Drunken Bear, ignoring how the engraving of the sign once gave the bear a mane, and pushed into the bar to find your brother with the biggest smile you’ve ever seen on him.There were two chicken carcasses on the table, a bottle of wine, and a peasant girl smiling and laughing with your brother. They sat close to one another, her hand close to his, and his gaze flooding with mirth and joy not brought on by drink. Your first instinct was to pause, the voice of your father almost saying something in your head, before joy took its spot as you stepped forward “Tyrion!” You called out, making your brother jump, looking at you then smiling bright.“Well, if it isn’t the heir of the rock himself, and his lovely Kraken bride, come to mingle with the public instead of enjoying the tourney?” Your brother said, his mood seeming to only improve with you here. “Is father aware you are here, or have you finally grown sick of his little play?”“I’ll have you know dear brother,” you say, sliding in on the other side of his table with Asha right behind you, Asha seeming to already be enjoying the change in surroundings “That I am always sick of his play, yet not much I can do when I am always the centerpiece. I have Lady Asha to thank for today,” You said, nodding your head to Asha as she is ordering a mug of ale and cut of roast “ for you see the fair maiden found the heat and noise of the day too much, and asked to escort her to the tent to retire.” You said, laughing through pain as Asha glared at you and punched your arm hard “Ow, no fair retort.”Tyrion looked to Asha, who met his gaze. There was something being exchanged here, some silent battle that you lacked the wit or grace to fully unravel, but the Smile stayed on Tyrion’s face as he passed some coin to Asha “Ah, then as thanks for stealing my eternally mortar minded twin away, drink and eat all you wish.” he said with a laugh, the peasant girl at his side staying quiet but seeming to grow more comfortable with your presence.(Cont)
>>6385979“Ha, careful there, such an invitation, I may just bleed you dry on principle.” Asha said, pocketing the coin and flagging the tavern wench to order more. As Asha made herself comfortable, you looked to the girl at Tyrion’s side and offered a friendly smile, offering your hand and bowing your head “Ah, where are my manners, I am Jason Lannister, the less handsome twin to my brother Tyrion,” you said, watching her eyes widen as she took mental stock on your appearance with Tyrion “Yes yes i know, I try not to ruin my brother’s fun by venturing into the light too often.” You say, earning a good natured chuckle from Tyrion and a smile from his lady friend “What is your name My lady, if you would do me the honor?”The peasant girl, properly eased into the presence of more nobility, spoke in a shy voice “Tysha, Mi’lord.”“A lovely name, perfect for you.” you say, looking at them both “Now what did my brother do to earn your attention on this day? Nothing crass I hope?”Tyrion and Tysha made a look to one another, but Tysha blushed as Tyrion spoke “Oh w-well, On our way here, Jaime and I saw her being accosted by some rogues. So, being noble gentlemen, we acted.”“What, did you bare your wit at them dwarf?” Asha asked, downing her mug as your fist clenched.“Ah, sadly I wished to show them mercy this day, my good deed for the week you could say, so I allowed Jaime to handle them while I tended to Tysha. I took her to this Inn due to how close it was, and I stayed with her until she felt safe. And well, we’ve sort of lost track of time.” he said, a smile so real and warm that you were sure Tyrion had never felt the way he did now.(Cont)
>>6385980“A fine deed, and story Tyrion.” You said, smiling happily at your brother, taking your glass of wine and raising it to him “May we lose all sense of time, so we can enjoy it all the more.” You say, your brother raising his glass, Tysha raising hers hesitantly, and then you all clinked your cups together, everyone nearly spilling as Asha joined in, making you all laugh as she joined you all in a drink.From there, it was drink after drink, and meal after meal, the children of Tywin Lannister denied nothing and those children spending as Lannisters did. Eventually, Tysha and Tyrion disappeared, hurriedly going to a room above while you and Asha drank and ate, and sang along to the bard’s songs. After One too many verses of “The Bear and the Maiden Fair”, Asha let out a relieved sigh, her face flushed from drink and merriment.“I must say, I thought you would be the kind of man to lock himself in a library, a grey rat in all but name, but you seem to be adequate at having fun.” She said, you laughing at the phrase as you drank your own mug of mead, switching to it once Wine lost its taste.“That’s Jason Lannister for you, the middling son in all regards.” You said, bringing you mug to you mouth to drink, only to stop when you heard asha say.“Heh, middling in all ways but height, thanks to your brother the Imp.” She said, then she flinched when you slammed your drink to the table, spilling it slightly.“Tyrion. His name is Tyrion, not Imp, not Dwarf, not half man or bane or doom or whatever other fowl name you’ve learned to call him.” You said, your stare steady, your jaw tense, and your fist clenched as you spoke with raw steel “I will not warn you again Lady Asha.”(Cont)
>>6385981She looked at you shocked, then glared back at you as she leaned forward “Oh, you are warning me now little lion? You think you can command me like your father, that you can control what I say or do? Think I won’t gut you for trying? We’re not near any of your guards, or your father. I could stick you now, then be gone before he realizes his heir is rotting in the gutter.” She said, standing up and looming over you, steel in her voice now, her own body tense, and an anger in her eyes “So why don’t you meekly drink that spine back up, you craven little rat, while I call your brother for what he is: A Imp demon who killed you m-”You’re not sure about what happened between the two points in your memory. At one point, you were sitting at your table, shaking in rage as you looked up at Asha as she spoke those foul words.The next moment, she was one the ground holding her jaw, blood coming from the corner of your mouth as your knuckles screamed in pain. That didn’t seem right, you never were the violent sort. She had simply been talking, saying something about… OH, you remembered now. Your fists clenched in rage as you glared down at her.She stood up, rubbing her jaw, appraising the damage. Then her eyes locked with yours, her own rage on display.>She mentioned your mother as well, throw another punch.>Tell her you warned her>Calm down, try to apologize before this gets out of hand>other
>>6385982>Tell her we're even now and apologize I think that's a good enough way to defuse it.
>>6385982>"Apologise for your words.">Throw another punch it she doesn't take the hint.Now isn't the time to back down. But it might be the time for a Brawl.
>>6385982>She mentioned your mother as well, throw another punch.Trigger point, lions have sharp claws and she forgot.
>>6385985Anon, we do not want to start a brawl. Even if we win we'll lose when someone sees the damage.
>>6385988I'm betting she will give as good as she gets.She seems to resent the implication of being controlled, we can try to mitigate it by making very clear that our brothers are our boundary line.But I honestly think she will have more respect for that spine staying firmly intact. This is the "make or break" point of the relation.
>>6385982>Other >"He's to be your brother by law and you'll treat him with all the due respect of such. He welcomed you here, you shared drink. I've no qualms if you wish to wear armor and sail ships, you needn't play the noble lady for me, Asha, but I won't have the one place you join the chorus of those gilded, squawking courtiers be the mockery and torment of my twin... Now wipe off your blood and let's drown this nastiness with another drink. If we can't mind our tempers we'll have to suffer through the rest of the tourney and a torment of our own."
>>6385985+1The rise of Jason 'Wife-Beater' Lannister.Shitpost aside, good to see he has some backbone in there
>>6385991Yeah, I think this is a great place to stand up to her, but if we push back TOO hard, we cement ourselves as another Lannister tyrant. She is oppositionally defiant, which is totally understandable as she's essentially a hostage.
>>6385992Do.you think you will get through that speech before she clobbers you in the jaw?I'm fine with the speech but, and it must be made crystal clear here, we must be willing to continue a Brawl if she keeps talking shit.
>>6385985+1The legend of the sea lion begins. They look harmless and cute until they bite
>>6385996I mean, it's just like three sentences, so idk about 'speech', but I assume that if she interrupts him by attacking, he will still fight back just as hard? We can put our foot down on the issue by being clear about it as a boundary while also de-escalating this conflict. We are never going to be stronger than her so if being a wifebeater is our long term plan to keep her in line, we are both going to be miserable and we'll probably die with seawater in our lungs. I think an honest hit was earned here, and we've been drinking, it's good to show some spine. I think senseless to not try and lower the temperature and explain why it's shitty for her to talk like that. If we dive into more of a fight here, it's likely we will lose and also get snagged by Lannister guards, causing us to disappoint our father on multiple levels and just create distance with Asha.
>>6385982>>6385985+1So. How bad are we chimping out if Tywin makes bad things happen to Tysha or are we somehow going to stop it?
>>6385985I will replace my>Apologise for your wordsTo >>6385992 's "don't talk shit about my brother" speech.But I'm keeping the ready to rumble.>>6386003I don't think there is jack or shit we can do to stop it. But it would certainly be a moment of "what the fuck man"?
>>6386003Bro we ain't stopping Tywin when he's actually mad, that shit is seven kinds of stay the fuck out of the blast zone.
>>6386009Yeaaah, we are the heir. But we don't have any power to oppose the lord paramount, warden of the west, man who holds the purse and oaths of every man in the city.We would need our own power bloc to make any changes to things.
>>6386011Me and my 'little' bro will make our own Westerlands. With blackjack, hookers and well thought out city plans
>>6386003I think we should conspire with Tyrion and Asha to do something to embarrass Tywin or take something he cares about for our own, maybe some super expensive wine or something? With our talents combined: >Tyrion's brain and nimbleness>Asha's Reaver skills >Jason's autism We should be able to accomplish quite a bit if we want... It could be our first heist.......
>>6386012I really meant more, Getting our aunt's and uncles to support us and a good amount of support from our vassals.
>>6386014>fucking over tywinIt's like you WANT to sufferNo thanks buddy. Tywin is gonna fuck off to Kings Landing soon enough, and we'll have our peace.
>>6386014Ocean's by the seven.A popular play coming to a stage near you.
>>6386016That's also a valuable point to consider.Once tywin leaves, we don't have to deal with him anymore. Him being a hand or something.That should make the rock much nicer.
>>6386015I also was thinking that way. It was the futurama meme
>>6386016You're assuming we'll get caught? I want to avenge Tyrion, if we can't defend him when the ordeal happens. In the books, there is no one to have his back. We are his twin, and I think Asha would be on board if only to upset Tywin, making this a great opportunity for the three of us to bond.
>actually trying to antagonise Tywin "petty & cruel" lannisterJesus christ, even if Jason is air that will not end well and will be worse because it's defending Tyrion
>>6386022This is how we get spanked with the 'Rains of Castamere' playing in the background
>>6386022Anons are being retarded for no reason other than le epic maymays
>>6386022Idk how we can be collectively taking the position that we have to stand up to our teenage girl wife with violence if she speaks disrespectfully about Tyrion to assert our strength... but also sheepishly look the other way when our strong powerful father traumatizes Tyrion horrifically and breaks his heart. It isn't morally consistent at all, it isn't principled, and it makes us look weak and petty to be willing to hit a hostage Asha for some shit talk but piss our boots and abandon Tyrion when Tywin is so much more devastatingly cruel.
>>6386032Not all of us. I for one am fine with getting punished protecting our bro. It's not like Tywin hasn't been handing out punidhments since childhood lol
>>6386032Because we CAN stand up to the teenager, and we CAN'T stand up to Tywin.Do you understand the difference in power? Do you want to murder Tywin? Because if you don't then he will do what he wants and have us flogged in private for the temerity.Morally it isn't consistent, but guess what, Trying to follow those morals will get us hurt, Tyrion just as hurt and his peasant love just as raped. So we aren't going to stop jack and shit, and we are not going to try.If you would like to try, first we should stand in front of a stampeding herd and command it to turn around by our authority as lord of the land.It will work just as well.
>>6386032>but also sheepishly look the other way when our strong powerful father You answered yourself.We're not fucking superman, we cannot just "stand up" to motherfucking Tywin. Giving him this manne of covert support is the absolute best we can. You are mindbogglingly retarded if you think we can just "stand up" to him like this is some sort of family friendly show. The fact that you also want to make it about "Muh thief" makes it clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Please stop being dumb.
>>6386036>Because we CAN stand up to the teenager, and we CAN'T stand up to Tywin.So what you're saying is, we can stand up for Tyrion but only when it's easy and we have more power in the situation, but not when there are real risks, and thus actual meaning? I mean, we're just gonna see how anons vote when shit hits the fan, but I for one am going to push for a Jason who is brave and doesn't operate just like Tywin, I think it will earn more of Asha's respect, and it's important to be able to live with ourselves. >t. A twin in real life and I would defend her against anyone, even my parents, even someone with all the money and power and weapons in the world. I'm not a sociopath like Cersei or a scared little pussy like Jaime.
>>6386038Same Other real life twin here. Would catch a bullet for that dumbass.
>>6386032Welcome to living in the shadow of Tywin, a bastard of a man who will inflict pain and suffering to sooth his ego for the slightest ruffling of it you either get in line to avoid the abuse or get trampled by it.
Talking about standing up to Tywin 'Has His Canon Theme Song' Lannister is way easier than doing it.
With nobody agreeing. How about we roll dice when if the decision is made to dtand up we roll a d20 or d100 to see how much/well we stand up against papa abusive lion?
>>6386038You aren't standing up for shit. You are just standing next to a bomb and hoping that your interference will make it stop rather than take out both of you.To be worth me doing shit, it would need to spirit Tyrion away from the scene with his lady love.Once she is kidnapped and in the barracks, Game over. Bad game, no re.Can't fight worth shit. Can't remove tyrion from the event. We don't even know it is about to happen in character. . Just. . The only tangible aid we could give is if we knew Tywin was spinning a story about being a paid whore, and could keep tabs on her as she left to break the news after.Anything else, Like stealing something or spoiling a plan or whatever isn't Helping anyone. It isn't standing up to anything. It's petty revenge trying to be something helpful when it isn't.
>>6386038>So what you're saying is, we can stand up for Tyrion but only when it's easyOkay, let me put it in the simplest possible way you can understand it, anon:We cannot actually stop Tywin from mistreating Tyrion. We cannot "Call CPS" on him or just beat the shit out of him like some redneck beating up his abusive father. We quite literally cannot lay a hand on Tywin.>>6386046"roll d20 to see how retarded you are"
>>6386041>>6386042Don't care if he has a platinum Christmas album, we are the heir, we WILL replace him, and when we have children Asha won't be able to tell them that we only had fire for Tyrion's honor when it put us against a hostage teenage girl, and lost it all when our shitty dad inflicted world ending trauma. I don't want to be like Tywin, or co-sign his deranged behavior - it literally does more damage to house Lannister than any of our enemies.
We could just avoid the whole Tysha problem, by convincing Tyrion to not marry her outright and keep her out of Tywin's sight. That'd be less likely to cause problems and let the little guy be happy, even if it wouldn't be a perfect solution. But Tywin went full scorched earth cause Tyrion married Tysha, a lowborn
>>6386050Literally NONE of what you say makes it actually feasible. Again, do you know what setting you are in? Tywin can have us flogged if he wants to, he can do literally anything the hell he wants because he's a powerful psycho in a mudcore medieval setting. You are way too emotional and have lost connection to reality.
>>6385982>Poo on Asha
>>6386053Genius
>>6386052Buddy... Relax. This isn't reality. It's a game we are playing together. We don't agree on the best move when this predictable tragedy comes to pass, and we don't need to in order to continue to play - this is done with a plurality of votes. We can state our reasoning without it having to be personal. I am not suggesting you are deranged or a coward just because it would be cowardly for Jason to not try anything to support his twin brother. It's also a game in a setting where one of the greatest and most successful heroes was a hedge knight who kicked and hit a member of the royal family over far less than this. People in the ASOIAF universe do sometimes make brave, principled, and dangerous decisions without it ending in disaster.
>>6386053Ah yes. The most sane thing to post to how much people are chimping out LMAO. The absurdity is good way to shortcircuit people's brain so they can reset and go: "Wait a minute... why am I chimping out when we can't even vote about a hypothetical situation?"
>>6386057Forgot to add the yet. We can't vote about this YET.
>>6386057Thank you. I originally wanted to poo on Margaery on our wedding night, but thought interrupting this big argument equally prudent.
>>6386056Yeah well we're not some badass hedge knight, we're a small boy with a cruel and powerful father. It is literally impossible for us to "stop" him from being cruel to Tyrion.
>>6386060The Indian Lion
>>6386061Well, Dunk was a lowborn from flea bottom. We are the heir to the Lannister dynasty. We aren't as tall as him, but at the point where he attacked that dragonfag he was probably only barely more trained than we are now, with his mass making up the real difference in the fight. I just can't be convinced that Tyrion's twin would do nothing at all, and seeing as open, direct defiance would not be very effective, I just have to imagine he would try to do something more quietly and attempt to get away with it. He may get flogged (I am sure not for the first time or last), he may also be subjected to twisted mind game cruelty, but I think it's worth the risk. I understand why you and other anons feel differently, and if your votes pan out, I hope that Asha does not recognize the disparity in our indignation and loyalty for what it is, cowardice, and I hope she doesn't think less of us for it. She'd have every right to. Hard not to get ahead of ourselves when we are going to keep seeing tragedies and ordeals just on the horizon...
>>6386073>If you don't dive headfirst into a traintrack you're a heckin coward>this random protagonist peasant guy did something slightly similar in entirely different circumstances so that means it's fine
>>6386075>>6386073Let's us refer to this:>>6386053Let us chill out dudes.
>>6386060I will help your efforts for calm this roaring anons with an old meme.
>>6386073Duncan was dealing with honourable and upright Targarynns who thought their brood was being an abusive little shit. And had the support of 3 of that little shits relatives.Duncan still had to enter a death match to make him remove the charges, or he would lose two limbs.Duncan still had no legal authority or protection for what he did and still got his ass beaten for it.Duncan acted for Honour and that was recognised by just enough people who also hated the Targaryans for it to matter. If he was 1 person shy, or the shit's uncles didn't want to entertain his notions of right and wrong, He would have lost a hand and a foot.We are dealing with Twyin Lanister. A man who doesn't care about honour, he cares about his reputation and being feared. You will obey, or you will be forced to obey.He is the highest lord in the land, a Duke under any other title, and has the authority and weight of the greatest house of the realm to crush anyone he chooses, and he is more than willing to use it.Under this governance, he is a protected class who cannot be made to be held to account except by war.You cannot oppose that without something more substantial than "it's not right what he did".Help our brother in the aftermath. Do not get run over out of misplaced delusion that the world will reward this behaviour.
>>6386106>who cannot be made to be held to account except by war.Well, a crossbow works too, but it's a bit too early for that.
>>6385982>Tell her you warned herHitting her wasn't very kingly, but backing down and apologizing just makes Jason look like a pussy. Even worse it means he's emotional and will lash out only to later backpeddle rather than take action and stand by his decision.If we want to try and reconcile with her, we can offer to let her hit us back in the face a single time. We hit her once, she gets to hit us once. Fair's fair. It shows that Jason is willing to get punched in the face to uphold Tyrion's dignity, rather than just abuse his bride whenever he gets pissed off.>>6386032>>6386038I think an important part about this current situation is that we can't have an actual relationship with Asha is she has literally no respect for us.Hitting her isn't the way to go, but we've already done it. The proper way to have gone about things is to show that we won't spinelessly back down when she pushes us. That said, she IS an Ironborn, so maybe violence is the only language she'll understand sometimes. At the very least, she might respect that we hit her with our own hands rather than how Tywin is cowardly enough to have someone else do it for him.Standing up for Tyrion is important, but don't underplay the significance of standing up to Asha.>>6386106>>6386048In regards to standing up to Tywin, we at least have a tiny amount of leverage since Jason is the current heir. Tywin can't just kill us. The question is whether we try to scheme something to achieve a greater outcome, or if it's better that we just act in the heat of the moment by doing something rash.>>6386053LmaoJason "The Brown Lion" Lannister
>>6386117A Lannister always shits his ass
>>6386150Hear me roar has taken on an entirely new meaning
>>6386117>Hitting her isn't the way to go, but we've already done it. The proper way to have gone about things is to show that we won't spinelessly back down when she pushes us.Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I think it's natural for a tipsy Jason to have lost his shit and struck her, and as I said in my write-in/other remarks I think the best play now is to clearly explain why we did that and why we think she should change the way she talks about Tyrion before we let it be bygones and have another drink together. Fighting her more is childish and we should only do it if we have to defend ourselves, it'll only lower her respect for us, especially if she beats us - which is highly likely. Pressing her to apologize to us after we hit her is a Joffrey or Tywin move, I think also unlikely to find purchase. It seems to me the best way to work with Asha is to be sure to stand up for ourselves on the things that are important, we def can't be a doormat, but we have to be a peacemaker too, and we have to respect her enough to believe that it's worthwhile to explain to her flatly that we care about Tyrion's dignity and her doing the same. We shouldn't encourage her to be defiant, it's in her nature already. We should show her that the two of us are on the same team now. >We hit her once, she gets to hit us once. Fair's fair. It shows that Jason is willing to get punched in the face to uphold Tyrion's dignity, rather than just abuse his bride whenever he gets pissed off.I think that's really reasonable, and would be glad to tack that onto my write-in to help lower the temperature. >The question is whether we try to scheme something to achieve a greater outcome, or if it's better that we just act in the heat of the moment by doing something rash.To clarify, though I feel I was already, I don't think it'd be fruitful to openly and loudly defy Tywin - though I would vote to do so if there weren't better options, I do feel strongly about pushing for a Jason that navigates these things differently than his busted family members. We may be mediocre in many regards, but we can cultivate Jason into being well above average in his honor and courage, which I think will be crucial for giving him some kind of edge as the game progresses, personally. We don't have to be as stupid or stubborn as Ned Stark to hold onto the same values, and benefit from the reputation they provide. I feel sure there must be some way we can use our skills, and Asha's, to get back at Tywin without him finding out it was us. I respect other anons wanting to play this differently, but I don't wanna just keep our head down and play in the sandbox. As a player here my goal is for Jason to be more deserving of the Lannister dynasty than Tywin is, and to do more for the Lannister legacy than he has without being an evil abusive tyrant in the process. We are well positioned to do that if we have some balls about it and leverage our limited strengths the right way...
>>6386161To reiterate and rephrase a previous point.We want to help Tyrion.We dont/Can't prevent Tywin doing what he wants, or steal from him or thwart his other plans in the game.To quote Brennan Lee Muligan "if you say you are going to help someone, You have to actually help them. You can't jack off on the subway and scream "this one's for the troops"."Be there for him, Keep him company, Stop the heartbreak and pain from being filled with wine and whoring.If we know or figure the truth out, Tell him. Stuff we can do. Any revenge short of a crossbow is just not enough for the reprisal it will entail.====Yeah, I hope the punch was just a result of too much alcohol and several hours of familial irritation.Being a nasty drunk is a terrible thing
alright, i have awoken, time to count the votes and catch up onthe discussions
I wonder if we can go to the Citadel to read about ancient architecture, like Ghis ancient roads and infrastructure. A few months' trip...
>>6386206Yah, we gotta grind and level up as hard as we can while we are still young and have free time to do so. I think regardless of how this conflict with Asha shakes out we should immediately tell her (joke with her, even) that we are a punk and if we were able to clock her she ought to train with the guys that taught Jaime so it can't happen again LOL
>>6385985Looks like four votes for this, with a push to include the little speech. I can do that.Let me know if i missed anything
>>6386216mostly right and correct.We want to try and deescalate the situation without backing down from the point.Ironborn don't love a bitch.
>>6386150Prophetic words for Tywin.
>>6386150>>6386153lmao
You did not wither beneath Asha’s glare, even as you saw her stance begin to shift and her rage begin to boil over. You had to settle this before it escalated any further, but by the seven would you never back down to her on this “He’s to be yo-” Then her fist connected with your face. “Listen Jason,” Uncle Tygett said as your mind went back to that day when you were ten “When you get hit, don’t try and be a wall. You’re not made of brick and mortar like your models, you’re flesh and bone. Roll with the punches, they’ll hurt but they’ll do less serious damage and you’ll bring your enemy closer.” he said, watching you get up as you fought back tears, your cheek swelling already “I know it hurts boy, but tough it out. This world can do a lot worse than a broken lip to you, so best get ready to roll with whatever it throws at you. Now, put your fists up, keep ‘em eye level. That’s right, now your footing. Good. Now, pay back that debt, hit me.” The memory had you throw a fist, then reality came back as your fist nearly slammed into the side of Asha’s head, Asha stumbling back and weaving beneath your fist as she looked at you wide eyed as you took a boxer’s stance. You couldn’t help but smile, she didn’t expect you to stand your ground. Your cheek was bleeding, but you had remembered your lessons. “He’s to be your good brother Asha,” you said, spitting a wad of blood to the ground “and you’ll treat him with respect. He shared drink and food with you, and welcomed you warmly. I don’t care if you rebel against every aspect of this life, you can just stay Asha if the noble lady isn’t something you’ll stomach. Do not, however, make the one thing you choose to mimic of the people here be the torment of my brother. He is a better man than most, and will have the respect he’s due, not as a Lannister but as my brother.” You said, keeping ready but lowering your fists slightly “Now, we gonna wipe this blood off and get back to drinking and eating in honor of Brother’s heroics, or will we continue this and b make the rest of the day a torment of bruises and scraps.”Asha met your eyes, searching for what you could only assume was greenlander weakness, some crack that proved you were just some meek kitten pretending to roar. The patrons in the inn watch, many intrigued and some concerned. The Innkeep rose to try and deescalate the situation. Then Asha smirked, tensing herself “So the lion’s got claws, and a roar. Let’s see how sharp and loud.” She said, and surged forward.Three blows shot out from Asha, 2 of which hit your arms and the third found a way through your guard and hit your stomach. You took the punch, ready for it this time and sent you own flurry of attacks, Asha ducking and weaving them all but looking more and more interested. You managed to force her back into slamming into a patron at the bar.Cont)
>>6386237At that point, a brawl was inevitable. Whether it was due to the drink, the chaos, or the blows to your head, you don’t remember much from the barfight. You do remember Asha dragging you through the back alleys then back into the Lannister tent, a smile on her face and light in her eyes you hadn’t seen since she arrived.(+5 Disposition with Asha)She dropped you on the sofa in the tent, laughing as you let out a groan as you landed on a particularly bad bruise “Oh quit your whining, you’re still alive and nothing’s broken.”“Say that to my ribs. Do all ironborn women fight like that?”Asha laughed, dunking a soft towel in cool water and throwing it at you, it landed on your face with a splat and you left it there because it was soothing on your swelling face “Everyone pays the Iron price, and a girl’s gotta make sure the price is right.”“It’s a miracle any Ironborn men are left then,” You say, relaxing on the sofa in repose, until Asha slapped your legs, making you move them so she could sit down next to you. There was a silence that settled between you, a comfortable one that surprised you as you let the cool towel do its work on your face.Eventually, Asha broke the silence “You really care about Tyrion that much?”> “Someone has to…”> “He’s my brother, of course…”> “No, I just enjoy beating women…”>Other
>>6386239>Someone has to.
>>6386239> “Someone has to…”It would seem that Asha loves the kind of man that can kick her ass.
>>6386239>> “Someone has to…”See, hitting women works! Or something.
>>6386239> “Someone has to…”Does Jamie not care about Tyrion in this timeline?>>6386245I told people!
Also, +5 Disposition puts us at 4/20, which is already highest than any starting points we would have gotten with the other girls.So good progress!
>>6386239> “He’s my brother, of course…”Duh he's our twin brother.
>>6386247Jamie cares, but Jamie is also in love with cercie and constantly busy with whatever pretty boy nonesense he gets up too.Tyrion is despised by pretty much everyone but his [two] brothers.
>>6386239>“Someone has to…”
>>6386239> “Someone has to…”
>>6386239>> “Someone has to…”>>6386245>It would seem that Asha loves the kind of man that can kick her assIt sounds more like she kicked our ass, and I am gladly surprised that it doesn't piss her off that she's able to, and doubly glad, and doubly surprised, we didn't get hauled out by Lannister guards.
>>6386239>>Other>He's my twin. It's something non-twins usually don't understand.
>>6386265Well, it wasn't us getting beat up that made her like us more.
>>6386239> “Someone has to…”As much as the last choice tempts me...
>>6386244I always come up with better ideas after.We could just say "yes" for a less melancholic answer.
>>6386267Fair! I am def glad we showed some backbone, I just felt sure that if she beat our ass she'd think we're unfuckable by Ironborn standards. I forget, of course, she has a weakness for soppy twinks!
>>6386270also keep in mind that, you put up a fight. You didn't get folded instantly. Which is commendable in its own right.>Someone Has to..Looks like 8 or something. Will start writing
>>6386270The most important thing about the fight is that we made it clear that there are boundaries she isn't allowed to cross, even if we DO tolerate a lot of her... eccentricities. She in turn got to learn that her twink lover, whom she can still beat up at least, isn't a complete wuss and does have a spine. So she gets to feel both secure in her strength in a situation where she feels weak and assured her man isn't a useless weakling.Not to mention she even flirted with us in a very blatant fashion but in an ironborn way that we completely missed the meaning of since we are a Greenlander. If we ever brought up what she said to another Ironborn she would try to kill us out of sheer embarrassment, and the Ironborn will die laughing their asses off.
>>6386280Well, technically speaking she was already ogling us while changing before.
>>6386283She just tried VERY hard to seduce us in an Ironborn fashion as she is DTF but was too drunk to realize we aren't Ironborn and therefore cocked blocked herself unless the write up is different. If we somehow remember it when we're sober and ask another Ironborn about it, she'll try to kill us.Knowing her though, she is definitely gonna force sex to happen before the wedding out of spite and need for control. As I very much doubt she wants to lose her virginity in a Greenlander fashion.At least we know we are her type even if poor Jason isn't getting the message of just how DTF she is. If she insists on Ironborn seduction, we'll end up waking up chained to a bed or a boat, naked with her on top of us. Will be funnier if she tries to flirt with us in a Greenlander fashion, so we might actually notice her attempts.
Wait I have a question if we take a boat trip with our fiancée, Tyrion, and Tysha would it be possible to avoid Tywin finding out and raging? Since he'll be busy in King's Landing? Is the timing possible? Not like they have to get married in Westeros...and honestly it will be much safer that way.
>>6386306ther issue is that, Tywin will not be going to kings landing for at least a decade or longer. You are 16, mere months after the end of the Grey Joy rebellion. And the tysha situation occured over a couple weeks or months at best. Time is gonna be rough. Tyrion will soon be looking for a drunken Septon to marry him and tysha.
>>6386310Oh well, I got the times mixed up and I doubt we'll be allowed on a boat anytime soon given how hard Asha has resisted. Hopefully, we can stop him and remind him paramours are a thing. Tywin only got super pissed due to the marriage itself and wouldn't have cared if it was just a paramour.
>>6386324it's a bit deeper than that. After the death of his mother, Tywin's father took a lowborn woman as his mistress.Tywin has personal trauma and baggage around lowborn women and that lannister name.
>>6386324>>6386328Yeah, and even if Tyrion had not married her, Tywin would still see it as an opportunity to make him suicidal by obliterating his joy and traumatizing him. Playing armchair pathologist, I imagine his surface thoughts are something like 'How dare my progeny embarrass me and our house by marrying to a lowborn peasant, and how dare he spend the political currency of a noble bachelor - even one of his stature and appearance - for no gain at all? He is a traitor and a disappointment and I must make an example of this to correct the behavior forever.' While his deeper thought under that, which he is too much of a coward to admit to himself, is 'Tyrion is like my own father, consorting with a filthy lowborn, I can retrosctively punish my tormentor by tormenting Tyrion the way I wish my father had been' And deep below that is 'I fucking hate Tyrion and this is the first time he has felt truly happy and had real self esteem and I must utterly, cataclysmically destroy that joy with all of the cruelty I am capable of'And maybe below that is a measure of jealousy at the idea that Tyrion would choose love for himself and have control over his life, when Tywin has made himself into a pathetic slave for his legacy at the cost of any sense of liberty for himself and his family that might actually make life worth living. The most important trait of Tywin's is his utter cowardice, really. He ignores the incest, he ignores Tyrion's brilliance, he lies to himself constantly to affirm his rigid, comforting cage of a worldview. He chooses autocratic violence in every possible regard because it is less scary to him than kindness or vulnerability. He ends up with no true friends, and really no family, and it sets everyone around him on totally destructive paths and gets himself killed. I genuinely believe the safest thing we can do for our house is reject his philosophy and remodel our dynasty around something a lot more pragmatic. We should maintain our strength and status, but we have to ditch some of the ruthlessness and at least the reputation for scheming. We should be known to not just repay debts, but also friendship, and kinship. Joffrey's derangement is largely a product of his incest brain and Cersei + Robert's miserable ''''parenting''', but it is also a distillation of what house Lannister has become under Tywin: entitled, petty, cruel, arrogant, and sick.
>>6386333>>6386333IIRC Tommen and Myrcella were somehow alright kids, despite Joffery being the world's biggest shit. Not the brightest, but at least decent. Small mercies, I suppose.
>>6386335Yeah they're both sweet but largely unremarkable. Tommen would've been an awesome and acceptable king if Cersei and Tywin both had aneurysms in their sleep two days after his coronation. Jaime would've been the Dad That Stepped Up, and probably been chill to work with Olenna bc he doesn't have dynasty brain-worms.
>>6386338King Tommen the Just, young enough to not have the sense of right and wrong beaten out of him, old enough to not listen to his caretakers. Singlehandedly averts bloody war with the North by issuing a heartfelt admission of wrongdoing by the Lannisters (because killing someone's dad is fucked up) and just saying "Fuck it, leave the North. They can be independent for all I care, just bottle them up if they try and leave the Neck."
>>6386328Well hopefully someone can come up with a way to hide it. I think we are what 13 now? Given how those two just met and we are twins. Wait wouldn't that make Asha older than us by a few years?
>>6386344no, i made a mistake earlier in the quest, not realizing Tysha occured at 13 for tyrion, so i've moved the event 3 years forward since i don't wanna back track
>>6386344We are 16 as per >>6386310
>>6386343Literally. No freaks in the wings hand-wringing about a Lannister with the last name Baratheon being 'manipulated' by the Tyrell's. No religious revivalist nonsense, and if there were, the Tyrell's would properly shut it the fuck down this time. Off-ramp war with the North. Lannister army actually does march to fight the Night King when shit hits the fan.
>>6386349Hell, if Stannis gets pissy and finds out/reveals that Tommen isn't technically a Baratheon (and assuming that he doesn't figure out that Tommen was an incest baby specifically) they could keep it to the inner circle and move around around into marrying him with Shireen to bring Baratheon blood back onto the throne.
“Someone has to…” You said without much thought, thinking to your brother before continuing “It’s not like he doesn’t have family who cares for him. Our uncles and aunts show him kindness, and Jaime does what he can to be there for him.” You say, then pulled the cloth from your face to stare at the tent above “But my father and Cersei, they hate with the potency of 7 each. He’s said it once to me, that he may as well be a bastard, for that is what his dwarfism makes him in our father’s eyes, but beyond that…” You say, remembering a portrait of your mother you found, hidden away in the rock. You wondered sometimes why, that perhaps it was too painful for your father. “My Mother, she is like a legend to me. Like a maiden from the age of heroes. The great Johanna Lannister, the woman who gave Tywin Lannister a heart, the woman who had stared into the Old Lion’s eyes and found something to love…”You closed your eyes, Asha’s words from the tavern flashing in your mind, your fists clenching “I was born that day too, her blood is on my hands as much as his…Cersei sees that, and is at least fair with her hatred. But My Lord father…He hates my brother unfairly, and makes me heir when my brother is the better man for the job. He is smarter, more charismatic, and more like my father than I am.” You said, then looked to Asha “Never tell my father i said that. He stopped talking to my Aunt genna for a year when she said something similar, and he loves her. I’d hate to see what he’d do to me.” You said, leaning back.“You don’t think he loves you?”Asha’s question made you pause, you had spoken without thinking. But thinking about it, you had heard of what other fathers were like, had met lesser lords and their sons, seen how they speak and act with one another. You pushed down the tightness in your chest, closing your eyes to keep them dry as you let out a sigh “...I think my father buried his heart with my mother. I think he gave it back to the only woman with the power to make it beat. Now, I think its like what I told you…You’re either a tool, or you’re an insult. I’m barely a tool, I function well enough even if everyday he’d prefer Jaime to be the heir. Tyrion has his uses, and his Lannister name means that he is still a noble, and still useful for an alliance at the very least if someone will take him. Of his children, I think Cersei is the closest to having his regard, and that’s only after she announced her pregnancy and gave him a grandson in line to the throne.” You said, partly happy you knew affection from your Aunts and uncles, and partly wishing you were ignorant of what it was supposed to be like. “Me and my Brother are closer than anything, we came into this world together. So if someone has to love him, then it should be me without condition.”(cont)
>>6386381Asha was silent for a long time, a long time that you used to organize your thoughts and feelings. Then she pressed a rag to your cut cheek and you hissed as it burned “Quit that, I tore it good so need to make sure it doesn’t fester.”You smiled, ignoring the pain that gave you “Would my lady wish for similar treatment?”An amused huff came from her “Not even if you managed to do any real damage. You held your own, shocked really you were able to throw any kind of punch.”“When I proved so mundanely average at the blade, my father had me pursue every weapon or means of fighting he and my uncles could devise. Most I've little practice in, but boxing is something me and my Uncle Tygett could bond over. He wanted to make sure I could defend myself, even if only a little.”“And what about tyrion?”“What about him?”“How will Tyrion defend himself? Or that peasant girl he’s smitten by? Not just against other men, but your father as well.” She said, seeming to grasp the unfairness of tyrions life and giving it the respect it was due.(+1 Disposition to Asha, 5/20)You let out a grown and shot to your feet, making Ahsa lean back as you held you face “Fuuuuck, Tyrion, the girl. You don’t think he’ll do something foolish right?”“A young man with a willing and pretty young maid, denied affection his whole life only to find it with the girl he helped save from bandits? Sounds like a song, and you know how stupid the heroes are in those things.” Asha said plainly, reaching over and slapping some decoration aside so she could grab another fruit.You, on the other hand, were beginning to realize the danger of the situation. Stories about your grandfather, the possibility of what Tyrion might do, and the rage you could sense in your father’s future. Something bad was going to happen, and you had no idea how cruel your father would be. But you felt something worse than anything could occur, and you had to do something.(My brain is a bit burnt out, so I’ll trust you guys to think of a plan and agree on one)>Write in some ideas on what to do?
>>6386382Maybe try to see if we can't remind our brother he won't do anything stupid? Like publicly announcing his marriage to a peasant under the nose of his cruel and powerful and murderous father?
>>6386382>Track down Tyrion and Tysha, and make sure they haven't gotten into more trouble/ warn him to be discrete with his paramour
>>6386382Paramours are a thing and we need to convince him to somehow keep it a secret. As long as we remind him how Tywin would react upon finding out and here he WILL find out eventually, should he do anything stupid. Especially if he is dumb enough to marry her.If he wants his lover, all he needs to do is quietly buy/rent her an isolated estate nearby to stay in. One far from prying eyes. Disguise their meetups as him using a whore if done in the city/castle; otherwise, if they want to get romantic, make sure to stay out of notice. Even better if he mixes in his dalliances with her between visiting whorehouses. A rendezvous like that while...lewd will not draw much attention at all. At best, some snide comments about not leaving any bastard seeds behind in a whore's belly.Tyrion is honestly a LOT smarter than us. So long as we beat into his skull the absolute importance and necessity of being discreet about it. He will have a far better idea of covering his own ass. Our biggest goal would be knocking some sense back into him rather than letting his love blind him and make him so stupid that he loses everything. That is BY FAR the most important. Tyrion only got caught because love blinded and made him stupid. He very much has the wits to get away with it if he simply snaps out of it in time.As for personal help...I guess we could help design them a secret estate with hidden emergency escape tunnels? Not really sure what Asha would do besides insist on throwing them on a boat and sailing away.>>6386388We should in theory have a couple of weeks to a few months before Tywin finds out.
I will just say, if we manage to get Tyrion before shit goes south, we ought to just tell him to keep shit hidden until WE inherit House Lannister.
>>6386382>Take Asha and track down Tyrion and Tysha immediately, separate them so you can speak with Tyrion alone. >"I can see already how you care for her, and I know in my heart what it must mean to finally have a woman see you for who you are, for the kind, brilliant young man I know you to be as your brother. Let me be a brother to you now: do not let this joy be known to our father, or to our sister. You are falling in love, and it is as blinding as it is precious. She is lowborn, and that would be enough to summon the worst of father's wrath... But she is also a way to hurt you. We are too young now to protect her or ourselves. But in our home, there are still places where love can grow, cracks in the wall where roots can find purchase..." >Show Tyrion secret passages that might be used to arrange visits with Tysha safely out of father's sight, encourage him to use your knowledge of the Rock's secret places to conceal his dalliances with this kind maiden, so that their bond can grow in secret until the agency of adulthood can better equip you all to defend the relationship from enemies within your house and without. Best I got! I am thinking perhaps Tyrion getting a reality check and having a means of hiding the relationship could avert disaster? And maybe not, but we will at least have tried.
>>6386400Nice write-up, but issue1. Tywin knows all the secret passages and would realize their usage probably2. Tywin knows Tyrion goes drinking and whoring, and I'm fairly certain he's never had an issue with *that* - it would be honestly easier for him to just pretend his visits to her is his general dalliance.
>>6386392>>6386397I'm thinking specifically of how Tyrion builds a secret tunnel in through the sewers when he is later put in charge of infrastructure projects (which he won't now, because it's our Special Interest), and I am thinking of how that discretion was likely directly informed by the pain of the whole Tysha ordeal. We already have an autismal obsession with these kinds of passages, and have discovered all of them. Tywin knows about many of them with his little model, but I imagine he doesn't actually care about them, generally, and seeing as he has ALREADY put us in charge of these kinds of things, we could even commission entirely new tunnels and chambers without necessarily keeping Tywin in the loop about them all. >>6386400QM let me tack on that I'd like to begin a plan with Tyrion to have a secret chamber constructed for him to be able to safely pursue this relationship until such a time that it can be brought to light safely. We can remind him that we are the heir to our house, and a time WILL come when we can protect Tysha from the worst of Tywin and Cersei's impulses.
>>6386403>>6386405At least on the first point I don't think Tywin's awareness of secret paths means he has any particular interest or curiosity about them, but with that in mind and referring to this add-on post, I think we ought to simply construct a couple of new ones that needn't be included in Tywin's model. I like how this sort of symbolically evokes the idea of Jason beginning his ascent, changing the literal structure of house Lannister right under Tywin's nose, without him realizing it. Physically taking dominion over the space and molding it to (literally and figuratively) make space for Tyrion's happiness.
>>6386405>>6386407Tywin might not think much of us but he's still a clever old fox and we're not as nearly as sneaky as tyrion. I reccomend we leave the discretion part to him.
>>6386409Well, I suppose I trust that if there's a flaw in my pitch, Tyrion will be clever enough to notice it and course correct, and may be clever enough to advise on where/how to safely construct a secret tunnel or chamber for him? But I am going to stick to my plan, because I don't think it's enough to just tell him to keep quiet about it all. There's a way to use our talent and the access we already have to help facilitate secrecy. I respect your perspective though! Not else to do but wait for democracy.
>>6386412The biggest problem is that Tyrion is in love and that is making him stupid. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten caught.So on priorities#1 Beat some sense into Tyrion before it's too late as he is far smarter than us#2 His discreet dalliances need to be disguised as whoring#3 A secret hideaway that he very irregularly visits for the 'serious' stuff that won't easily blend into a whorehouse#4 the dosh to care for and protect his lover WITHOUT Tywin noticing#5 Do NOT marry her until Tywin dies aka do not leave a paper/witness trail behindHonestly, the biggest factor is just getting Tyrion to snap out of it and get his shit together before it's too late. It's not like he cannot outsmart or sneak around Tywin. That is not something the MC can do. The best we can do personally is help him build a discrete, fortified hideaway with plenty of secret escape routes. Hence, the need to wake him up at all costs. Even if we need Asha to beat his ass if we have to in order to knock some sense into him.That was ultimately what got him caught in the first place. His love made him blind and stupid, thus he got sloppy, which got him caught.
>>6386417Whatever anger Tywin may have had in finding out he married a lowborn will triplicate if he finds out we helped and dug a tunnel to do so. And we're not doing that shit with our bare hands. He WILL find out.Let's just tell Tyrion to hold it, mane. Since we exist, his future is GOOD. He knows that in the future we will inherit and be able to treat him well. So waiting becomes a possibility.
>>6386419I'm saying use another estate. Arguably, being discrete is far superior given how fucking hard it is gonna be to find some workers to build it who can keep their mouths shut. Most likely, if we tried Asha would just kill them all afterwards and throw the bodies into the sea. Chances are, Tywin would find out anyway. The key is Tyrion not getting stupidly sloppy from being in love.Truthfully I'm more worried about him marrying/impregnating her. You just know Tyrion is gonna have HUGE issues with having a bastard child and having a shit father and nonexistent mother when it comes time for his own children. Given them being in love and fucking like rabbits for days at a time. I uh...have doubts.IF he can wait AND be smart, then yeah he's good, but I doubt he can keep his hands off her and being in love will make him sloppy. Its not like we'll give him shit over it.
>>6386424The best we can do is warn him and remind him that WE will be in the family throne someday.
>>6386428We could threaten to take the black if Tywin tries to harm Tysha.
>>6386441>Do it faggot he says as he takes a huff of copium>Jaimie will be twice the lord you would beOr something like that I bet
Okay, so if we intend to try and prevent Tywin from doing something horrible, then what are the options?A. Tyrion tries to keep it a secret (this is a ticking time bomb)B. Tyrion and Tysha run awayC. Bargaining, where we try to use leverage or make some concession to Tywin in exchange D. Find some way to make Tysha appear valuable What are some other ideas?
>>6386441One hand, He could call our Bluff. We don't really want to go to the wall and it's really unpleasant there.On the other hand, would be the first major act of defiance. If we don't flinch, he might buy it.>>6386400>Supporting>>6386382
>>6386400>>6386382Ill support this
>>6386508>One hand, He could call our BluffThe trick is to 100% mean it.
>>6386400>>6386382I support this. Probably something critical is to also tell him to not smile too much at court. Or near father. Being happy, or joyous can be noticeable. Even more so when a man or a woman fall in love. You see it in their smile, in their manners and in their eyes. Its a beautiful thing, and after the initial phase it can strengthen a person if that love remains true.We just have to help keeping him centered. And push on Tywin/Cersei being hateful and petty enough to do something against Tyrion and Tysha if this relationship becomes known now. Reminding him of their usual reactions, past actions and anything bad they did recently would reinforce this argumentation.
I will once again ask that we do not try to make a tunnel in Tywin's own house.
>>6386534"Son, why are you digging a hole in our wall""...Improved air flow!"And then Jason's ass was redder than a Tully's head
>>6386534>By the next year Tywin is seizing in a puddle of his own piss>"HE"S IN THE DAMN WALLS! I HEAR THAT IMP SCURRYING! HE's IN THE WAAAAAAAALLLLS!!!"
>>6386553Like father like daughter
>>6386400Alrighty, this seems to have the most support, so I shall fill it out.I'll also be including peoples ideas, such as warning tyiron to control how he appears in court and also to possible slip in a few renovations that benefit Tyrion amongst the many repairs you have been put in charge of for the rock.Also likely making sure that if Tyrion plans to marry Tysha, he has a plan better than get hitched and then live by the sea. Love makes the guy lose all his wit.
I wonder if Tyrion might suspect Jason's involvement if something bad happens to Tysha after this talk. I wouldn't put it past Tywin to super subtly imply such a thing, either. Just to fuck with Tyrion.
>>6386698I hardly think that's likely.
>>6386700I agree. But I still wanted to voice it just in case, you know? If it's an angle Tywin wants to try to play it probably won't take for Tyrion, but it's like the genie in the bottle. It'll be there in the back of his mind, the most ridiculous "What if" yet be there it would be. Naturally it relies on Tywin finding out not only about Tysha which I think is still likely, if only in passing second or third hand accounts and finds out that Jason went out of his way to try and help Tyrion keep Tysha a secret.
>>6386730If Tyrion finds out, we can probably try saying that we only found out when it was too late and didn't want the news to spread and cause a scandal.
>>6386732If Tywin finds out about Tyrion**cut off the phrase there
>>6386732>>6386733I can see the two ways that plays out>Stupid boy, you should have come to me. Your incompetence could bring further scrutiny.and>Do you think I cannot recognize when my own son is lying to me?Of course, both result in a thrashing. Gotta love dear ol' dad's tender and caring disposition lmao
>>6386747The other option is >Yeah, we did it to hide her from youWhich is even worse.
>>6386749Tywin walks into the crusty crab;>I'd like uhhhh, To beat my child.Uh huh.>And add a dash of projection.How original.>And I want to traumatise my children irreversibly.Oh, daring today are we?
>implying Tywin would beat us himselfWe'd walk into his study and see The Mountain with a belt
>>6386759The man has Tywin's hand so far up his ass, you can see it puppet his tongue.I think the deference between the mountain and Tywin doing the deed is academic.
>>6386747>>6386754This is why I don't really care if Tywin finds out, ultimately. The ideal situation is one where we facilitate Tyrion having a loving relationship with Tysha that fulfills him and secures our brotherly bond beyond even what he has with Jaime, AND Tywin never finds out about our involvement. But if he does? We already know what it does to Tyrion to be abused that way, it damages him a LOT but doesn't destroy him, and with us here I am sure he will recover better and quicker, that part of things is automatically not going to be worse than the canon version because in this AU he has more support. As for us being abused? We're the heir, he can't and won't disown or kill us. He may beat us horribly, but he has already done that. He may emotionally traumatize us, but he's already done that. In the same way that the Tysha debacle is a canon trauma for Tyrion that fate propels him toward, or Cersei killing Robert and Joffrey being assassinated and the Red Wedding are canon traumas that many characters are headed towards, I think it's likely that we have our own big canon trauma event as Tywin's heir that will eclipse whatever punishment we think we may risk by helping Tyrion be with Tysha. And if the punishment for doing so IS that big huge trauma? That's just part of Jason's story and we'll have all the more reason to overcome Tywin, prove him wrong, and heal all the damage he has done to this house.
>>6386767Traumatizing event for MC wise...his adorable inbred nephew and niece(not the oldest) having their lives ruined. Tyrion being ruined. Getting dragged into the war AND the Ironborn clusterfuck. Jason just wants to play with his legos is all. Yet you know Tywin and Asha are gonna drag him into the shitstorm. He just doesn't have that insane ambition or capabilities his family has. That will damn him. Hell, he'll even quietly agree that both the Starks and Baratheons have a valid point but he simply cannot do shit about it.At least his wife is open about how extremely ambitious and deadly she is. Giving her a siege master for a husband that is her type that she can easily control is gonna cause some BIG fucking problems. Much less one that can also back her up with an army and fleet. Arguably, the worst mistake Tywin ever made in this quest is gonna be that. Especially with how much she HATES his guts personally now. Tywin is gonna seethe endlessly when he realizes Jason actually doesn't mind it so long as she doesn't cross his lines. He is not exactly someone who values his personal reputation much on account of constantly being compared with his siblings and realizing just how...mediocre he truly is. As for the Family's reputation? Tywin is a bigger threat to it than anyone.Of course, everyone is gonna think he is a joke of a pathetic man until an army or fleet shows up led by an aggressive and defense specialist couple. That is gonna suck so hard for them. Even more so if the other claimants get the bright idea to negotiate with that couple.
>>6386783Well, technically speaking, if Asha and Jason's kid keeps the Lannister name, which I'm fairly certain they will unless they somehow hold out on banging until Tywin dies (LOL), the Asha becoming some girlboss queen who takes over the isles and becomes the "He asked for no pickles" type of wife, then it really doesn't matter since the Lannisters as a house would be benefitting in the end.
>>6386786Yeah, and she is kind of a reformer so if she accrues more power and influence it is likely she will succeed in domesticating the Ironborn a fair amount, though I know we will have conflict with Euron in the future at least. If we manage to save Theon from getting Reek'd, his loyalty to us will ensure the bond between our houses grows into something healthy and mutually beneficial. If we can't save him from being Reek'd, Asha is more or less the heir, and one of our children would or maybe should end up taking the Salt Throne.
>>6386795I really doubt Tywin doesn't fully intend to push her to become the queen. I mean if he did, he'd have Joffrey in Kings Landing and our kid in Lordsport.
Speaking in our-world terms, the Vikingr Era ate shit and died due to the victims growing more powerful and trade being more profitable. I wonder if this marriage set something like that in motion.
>>6386799I am actually now considering that, with our marriage to Asha creating a more explicit alliance between the Lannister's and Greyjoy's, not only is it a lot less likely that Balon will wade into the fray with his raiding and goofiness, and a lot less likely that Theon would seek to capture Winterfell - but even if that does still happen, in a different way, as part of a larger anti-Stark strategy, Ramsay is a lot less likely to capture and torment Theon after the fact - because the Boltons also want to stay on Tywin's good side, and mutilating our brother-in-law would complicate their designs on the North badly. I have some kind of big ideas depending on what we can and can't avoid, though. I'd much rather work out some kind of friendly arrangement with the Starks than have to war with them, and don't care about one of Cersei's children having the Iron Throne - if they do it with the Baratheon name or as an open bastard, either way, it isn't really worth that much to us. I think the Jason I imagine would be cool with Lannisters still dominating the court but giving up the big chair in service of that long term, making peace with a Targaryen or even a Stark or Martell. The current path to hegemony is too precarious and bc of the incest it was always gonna be a house of cards, a vanity project for Cersei and Tywin more than anything. I don't want to rub shoulders with Freys or Boltons at all, if possible. Everything they touch turns to shit and they are abominable.
>>6386839>Ramsay is a lot less likely to capture and torment Theon after the fact Unless of course Tywin decides that letting the one in the way of his grandson taking the throne die would be a pretty good move.
>>6386786>>6386795Asha already hinted at a solution to dealing with her Ironborn 'problem' with the marriage. As she wasn't taken as a bride properly within the Ironborn way. All she has to do is a role reversal of it against Jason to legitimize the union to the Ironborn in public before them as witnesses. Doing so would legitimize it and the only Ironborn who could complain would be the priests or hardliners who would be humiliated over such a 'Dornish' solution to the problem.She also needs to birth at least 2 heirs. One of whom to 'adopt' back into the Kraken family as new head if Theon isn't saved. Good luck to any Ironborn claimants who can withstand both her own fleet and the Lannister fleet. Which is something she is gonna do, given how insanely ambitious she is and how badly she wants to become the first Reaver Queen on the Seastone Throne. Even the Priests cannot refute the Right of Conquest if the Kingsmoot doesn't work.In terms of reforming...she is still highly militaristic but also doesn't believe in fighting worthless fights(aka raiding the north). She also despises the hardliners like Euron and the priests for their fuckery. With her being married to Jason, it is likely she'll reconsider other aspects of reform too, like infrastructure and trade.>>6386799Nobody really knows how insanely ambitious she is right now except for her and her father. Keep in mind, she was raised as a tomboy to be the 'backup' should all the sons die because her father couldn't stand her uncles and actively supported her the entire time. It's why she got away with all those antics of hers despite not being Dornish. MAYBE a few very close confidants of the family are aware of her true nature right now. There is no way Tywin knows, as he thinks it will be Theon taking the throne. It was only later, when she was granted her first ship to captain and crew, that word finally began to spread.
>>6386840Yeah, he may still decide it'd be best to eliminate Theon, but if so, he'd definitely be a lot more subtle and use poison or something. If the Boltons castrate and torture Theon while pledged to Tywin, and we are married to Asha, it gives away the game and simultaneously fractures his coalition. I say this while also hoping we figure out a way to create a coalition that doesn't have us rely on the Boltons, but we'll just have to see on that end...
>>6386843>MAYBE a few very close confidants of the family are aware of her true nature right now. There is no way Tywin knowsWhy would he need to know? All he needs to see is that all it would take is removing one person to get a SECOND Grandson of his a throne.
>>6386382>>Write in some ideas on what to do?tell bro that its mot his fault mom died and he doesn't needed to fill that void with another woman yet.
>>6386839Our biggest problem is being caught between Asha and Tywin. Asha at least, is openly ambitious and has proved that she would respect the boundaries Jason put down. As they do not conflict with her own goals(it's not like she hasn't noticed we gave 0 fucks about her antics and let her maintain her strong front). Even going so far as to change her tune about Tyrion after we put our foot down(even if we did get our asses kicked but this was also what gave her the idea of how to fix her Ironborn reputation stain).Disavowing our incestuous siblings' children is impossible with Tywin breathing down our neck. Even though the Starks and Baratheons are gonna send a letter to us anyway. Asha...will smell blood in the water and react predictably. Arguably if we wanna make a move we have to do it through her. Balon won't dare to move easily because doing so makes him vulnerable to Asha's fleet and the Lannister fleet that will back them up. For all intents and purposes Asha and Lannister fleet can be considered the same force unless Tywin decides to throw away a chance to put a grandson on the Seastone Throne. >>6386846Theon is under the protection of the Starks and Tywin won't find out about Asha's antics until she gets her boat. Once that happens, he'll be forced to reevaluate the marriage and swallow his disgust of his daughter in law when he sees through her ambitions. A second throne is an irresistible temptation to him but one through HER is gonna grind his gears to no end. That will be when he considers plotting how to kill Theon and try to figure out how to deal with his turbobitch of a daughter in law because his son clearly isn't gonna bother trying to control his wife.The fact that he has to use a woman and HER so unladylike to get another throne is gonna make Tywin so fucking pissed and yet unable to refuse. His expression would be glorious thing to see. Only trouble is, he's done everything in his power to make her hate his guts.
Why would Tywin want the Iron Islands to be a separate Kingdom when Joff (his grandson) is already due to rule it as King?
>>6386854Control of three duchies/kingdoms under a Lannister directly.
How do we feel about Jason potentially: >Accepting Ned and Jon Arryn's findings, and Stannis's claim, that all three of Cersei's children are illegitimate >Pushing for our brother Jaime to retire to Casterly Rock as a castle knight or alternatively to take the black >Having Cersei held accountable for the conspiracy to murder Robert in order to protect her lie>Aligning our house with someone else going for the throne such as Stannis in exchange for a vow of betrothal between our children - Shireen and our first or second son, for example. Or do you guys want Jason to try and maintain the Lannister's quasi-control of the throne despite the myriad risks and complications caused by Cersei and Tywin's shitassery?
>>6386866While Tywin lives, the Lanisters do not break.And having Jamie take the black is a terrible thing that we should not like done to our brother unless the alternative is death.Other than that, we have no good reason to support any other house at this time. The "proof" of incest is held by Jamie and Cercie only, anything else is mere slander.
>>6386854Spread your assets, this would allow him to control the Ironborn directly.>>6386866I think Jason isn't nearly ambitious enough for that and will probably just want to do his architecture.
>>6386873I respect that, though my counter argument is that we are already 'broken', and as soon as Jason realizes that, even his middling political intelligence will be able to see that trying to work around that will doom our house (which, in truth, it is ultimately what dooms the house in the books and show. If Tywin allowed himself to see it, he would make the same analysis imo).
>>6386866We are caught between Tywin's shittery and Asha's ambitions. Even Asha would give us more breathing room than fucking Tywin. She wants to become the Reaver Queen.I would imagine we would be disgusted and torn about finding out about Cersei's incestual children. Mad at our big brother. I mean Cersei was always a bitch but come on.We wouldn't accept Ned and Jon claims until reviewing the ancestry books and traits ourselves. Which is not something the Lannisters can hide given how insanely widespread those texts are. Even if we did, we can't do much until Tywin is dead but we can at least quietly admit in our letters to them that they have a valid point.We hate both Cersei and Tywin. We love our brothers but Jaime is a dumbass.We don't have children to betroth and again that will require getting past Asha.Unlike the rest of his family Jason isn't overly ambitious or skilled. He's just easily dragged around because he's ALWAYS been surrounded by family far better than him. Even his own wife is better than him. The poor guy can't catch a break and wouldn't be interested in such power when he keenly understands he cannot handle it. If he had it his way, he would just play with small blocks at home and big blocks outside. Jason is very humble and understands his limits.
>>6386883Him not being interested in such power is exactly how he will end up the long-suffering Hand of The King, and then through some comedic series of events, the king himself.
>>6386887Well, technically speaking, he'd become King (consort) of the Salt Throne if Asha became the Queen so kinda?
>>6386887Those who do not desire power are best placed as stewards of it, so the saying goes.
>>6386883>I would imagine we would be disgusted and torn about finding out about Cersei's incestual children. Mad at our big brother. I mean Cersei was always a bitch but come on.I'm just trying to think through it as a guy that is (currently, it could easily change as we develop him through votes) >Set to inherit the Lannister dynasty, lands, wealth, and armies >Not particularly interested in 'winning' the Game of Thrones for himself, though simultaneously does want to preserve the family legacy so as to not totally fail Tywin >Not particularly politically gifted and possessing a singular, rare talent that doesn't directly or easily benefit his consolidating power >Not particularly close or loyal to Cersei, as she has tormented him and his twin so much, and is clearly evil, nor particularly close to Tywin in any meaningful sense, just controlled by him and growing resentful over time I am sure In that headspace my thinking is, 'Holy shit, Cersei, how could you be so insanely stupid, short-sighted, and selfish to not birth a single legitimate heir to Robert. In doing so you have complicated my role as the future Lannister patriarch, you have endangered our house severely, and your eldest bastard is even dumber and more evil than you, if he becomes king it could mean the end of us even if he WERE legitimate - just ask Jaime what happens to dynasties presided after deranged barbarians. Sword in the back. Children butchered.' Then my thinking is 'This position is untenable, like a castle built on mud. We are running out of cash, running up debts. We have too many enemies. To maintain legitimacy, we have to force it, and if we do so, it is for a kid with the last name Baratheon that the entire rest of the Baratheon family wants to see in irons or murdered or both. How can I keep the Lannister family wealthy, keep dominion over the West, ensure a strong future?' And I think icing out the bastards, and Cersei for her TREASON, is the only way? Moving away from the Iron Throne obviously isn't what Tywin wants, but if would give us the latitude to just... Play with blocks, yaknow?
>>6386887That is why we have Tyrion also please do not give Asha any ideas. She is already jockeying her way into securing two thrones.>>6386890Asha plans to use Iron Price technicality to (re)claim Jason as her husband before Ironborn witnesses via Dornish reshuffling. The Dornish women are gonna love her to bits. This means that the marriage isn't 'Greenlander' and therefore she still holds Ironborn claims.The traditionalists are gonna be upset that a WOMAN can do it too but technically speaking, she didn't break any rules and it allows her to regain her Ironborn rights and reputation. It IS gonna impress the absolute shit out of Dorn though. Which is a great thing considering how much they hate the Lannisters atm.
>>6386896>Asha plans to use Iron Price technicality to (re)claim Jason as her husband before Ironborn witnesses via Dornish reshuffling. The Dornish women are gonna love her to bits. This means that the marriage isn't 'Greenlander' and therefore she still holds Ironborn claims.Explain this more.
>>6386895You are forgetting the Asha angle. Jason has two leashes around his neck. One his father and the other his wife. That covers the Lannister angle but ignores the Greyjoy Reaver Queen wife angle.>>6386897There is a loophole in the claiming of salt wives that doesn't ban women ALSO having the right to claim a husband. Doing so would sanctify the marriage for the Ironborn because it is both within their traditions(technically) and salt wives are still legitimate spouses and so too are their children. This in turn would remove the stain on Asha's reputation and regain all her privileges.Asha drunkenly admitted to intending to claim the Iron Price on Jason when she tried and failed to seduce him the Ironborn way. Jason however, doesn't know about Ironborn traditions, so he had no idea what she was getting at and why she actually loved the fact that she could beat him.Downside is Jason is gonna get his butt kicked publicly by Asha before the Ironborn witnesses she needs to vouch for it, then she'll loudly claim she is taking claiming the Iron Price and he is therefore her 'salt' husband before dragging him to bed to officialize it. Basically, it fixes ALL the problems she had with taking a Greenlander husband and marriage. By going LOL I ain't his lady wife, he's MY Husband I got via the Iron Price. So our children are also Ironborn.To be specific it's like 3 different loopholes. The Iron Price loophole. The legitimacy of salt wives loophole. Legitimacy of salt and thrall born children loophole. I don't know how much Asha has figured out already but she is already plotting it out. Sorry for the spoilers for the QM when he sneaked that in. I had to check the wiki to confirm it as I suspected and...yeah it checks out. None of them excludes Ironborn women from being able to ALSO claiming it.Asha knows this and is already plotting around it because she NEEDS it to regain her Ironborn rights to the Throne and loss of reputation. Downside is Jason is gonna get fucked hard...literally.
>>6386918much as we joke about Jason being a doormat, a lack of pride is only an issue when others mistake it for a weakness.Tywin's right on the count that you shouldn't show yourself as weak, that invites instability. So long as we get our own achievements then it should keep the peace with the rest of the kingdom
I think there are a lot of worse fates to face in game of thrones than viking snu-snu
>>6386918>That covers the Lannister angle but ignores the Greyjoy Reaver Queen wife angle.I mean, I am actually really cool with Asha using Jason to claim her father's throne and restore her own legitimacy - do you think her plans would get in the way of us excising the liability of Cersei and her children in order to restore the legitimacy of our own house, and get us out of everyone's cross hairs? Tywin may care about his grandson sitting on the throne, but we don't care about our nephew being king, and with the last name Baratheon it doesn't REALLY benefit us. We could maintain proximity and sway over the Iron Throne by approaching it all very differently. I don't think it would get in the way of Asha's scheme, at least not in a way I can see readily.
>>6386866>Accepting Ned and Jon Arryn's findings, and Stannis's claim, that all three of Cersei's children are illegitimate Publicly? I think we have no choice but to just parrot whatever Tywin says. Privately? I think it's not unreasonable that we'd agree and simply say that we can't do anything until Tywin has passed away.>Pushing for our brother Jaime to retire to Casterly Rock as a castle knight or alternatively to take the black Unless it's what he wants, then hell no. He's supported us, we should do the same.>Having Cersei held accountable for the conspiracy to murder Robert in order to protect her lieSame as the first one; parrot Tywin until we have the means to do something ourselves. Once that happens, then not only would it be justice to hold Cersei accountable, but we have a legitimate concern that if she goes unpunished, then it could endanger the entire family. Not just us, but Cersei's other children as well. Tommen and Myrcella don't deserve to be at risk for Cersei being a retarg.>Aligning our house with someone else going for the throne such as Stannis in exchange for a vow of betrothal between our children - Shireen and our first or second son, for example. Hmmm, I think the way to go is for Jason to recognize that the risks of the Throne are too dangerous for our family, and that it could spell the end of the Lannister line if we don't try to back off whilst making concessions.>>6386920>So long as we get our own achievements then it should keep the peace with the rest of the kingdomThat, or everyone is just scared shitless of our wife. It's not ideal if Jason is seen as weak, but Asha can certainly carry enough respect for the both of us.Honestly, considering her ambition combined with her intense (albeit crude) political cunning, Asha could have been the heir/child that Tywin always wanted... too bad they fucking hate each other. She's not on the same level as Tyrion, but she understands the game of thrones, yet she's not an embarrassment to Tywin since she isn't an "embarrassment to the family name". On the flip side, she has a spine unlike Jason, and she has ambitions like Cersei without the idiotic overconfidence.Honestly, it's almost poetic how well Asha fits into the family tragedy that is typical of everyone close to Tywin. His horrible personality ruined a chance for the one thing he desired most of all.
>>6386920Reputation wise Jason is kinda fucked given how laidback, humble, and good-natured he is. With how much he legit spoils the shit out of his wife. No other nobleman except maybe a Dornish man would be so lenient. HOWEVER we aren't Dornish. Which means they are gonna talk shit about us no matter what behind our back until Asha finds out and shanks them to death or puts an axe through their skull.Asha knows damn well how insanely lucky she got with such an understanding Greenlander husband and she also confirmed that we DO in fact have a spine and boundaries we won't let her cross. It just so happens her own goals do not conflict with it, which is why she is cool with it. Hence her 180 attitude about Tyrion and getting into a fight with us. She wanted to make sure we weren't a doormat.Externally though? Think about what it looks like. The only ones who would understand what their relationship dynamic is truly like is the Dornish but neither of them are Dornish! Of course, anyone has to also consider whether they can eat an axe or a dirk in the gut. Jason might be chill about it until you cross the line but Asha isn't gonna be so understanding. Keep in mind how hardcore and vicious she had to be to keep a bunch of Ironborn Reavers in line and LOYAL to a woman of all things!It also helps that Jason 'accidentally' turned out to be Asha's type to the T. Something canon version of her never found. He's a handsome twink with a backbone that will fight her if she crosses his line, whom she can still defeat and control but is otherwise extremely accepting and even supportive of her antics. To add further insult to injury, he is a goddamn defensive expert and siege master, with his love of Architecture a direct opposite of her extremely aggressive blitzkrieg raiding command style. Even the Ironborn are gonna love him after the first siege together and have a complete 180 in attitude.For obvious reason this is gonna piss off Asha when you disrespect her trophy husband.
>>6386928>she has a spine unlike JasonWell, we showed some spine with her. The question is if that was a fluke or not, and personally I don't want it to be. >>6386929>Reputation wise Jason is kinda fucked given how laidback, humble, and good-natured he is.We may sacrifice some of the horrific fear and dread that Tywin has cultivated in doing so, but making concessions, being honest and honorable - especially at the expense of our sister and nephew - and trying to prevent war could all help to build a new and also useful reputation. Asha and the Reavers can keep people from treating us like the Laughing Lion, but it'd be nice if they felt they could trust us to keep our word, and to not resort to obscenely underhanded tactics like the Red Wedding, killing bastard babies, or beheading the Warden of The North after promising him an assignment to the Wall.
>>6386925There are and honestly compared to the other waifu options...Asha at least, is extremely direct and predictable. Imagine if poor Jason had to handle the plotting and antics of all those other wives who don't wanna drink from your skull and fight you directly. Say what you want about Asha at least she is direct and easy to handle if you throw her a bone.Downside is she is extremely ambitious and is super scary tomboyeven reavers legit fear and follow herFor most of Westeros she is a absolute nightmare fuel of a wife. Except Dorn because they are into that but even they would take issue with her insane ambition and how bloodthirsty/cruel piratey she is.>>6386926Asha is one of the most ambitious women in the entire world and unlike the other ambitious women, she WILL fight you. With Jason, she can secure TWO thrones once she exploits the loopholes and leverages the Lannisters to secure her own throne. Why would her ambition end there? The Lannisters give her direct access to King's Landing.God forbid should she ever meet Daenyrs. Really, the only thing making her hold back is her fear of getting ganged up on and overwhelmed. Thus she would be for throwing a bone to the North and Starks. Official excuse their broke as shit and hard to fight. Unofficial excuse they cared for her brother Theon her last sibling, and she doesn't want more enemies. Appeasing and getting along with the Starks is extremely easy because of how honorable they are.But those conniving spoiled soft southerners, on the other hand? Well, except for Dorn. She is gonna LOVE Dorn. I wouldn't be surprised if she prioritizes marrying children into the Starks and Dorn.
> Say what you want about Asha at least she is direct and easy to handle if you throw her a bone.
>>6386936>Why would her ambition end there? The Lannisters give her direct access to King's Landing.Mmm, looking at it that way, I think my feeling is even more that she would want us to use our station as head of house to delegitimize Joffrey 'Baratheon' in order to potentially open the throne for one of our children, right? Maintaining the lie is costly and precludes her from that. If she accepts some limitations and realizes it would be extremely difficult to dethrone Joffrey and replace him with another, proper Lannister born to the two of us (I am hopeful, honestly), I don't see why we couldn't do some maneuvering in order to have one of our kids on the Small Council. Hopefully she doesn't try to get us to do it ourselves. I don't think Jason would like being Master of Coin and certainly not Hand....
>>6386939Tomboy supremecy. Even if she is scary ass extremely ambitious tomboy. At least we would see what was coming with her instead of whatever schemes the other options would have, which we wouldn't be able to handle or see coming because we aren't as smart as Tyrion. I mean if we were smarter than sure but uh...yeah.>>6386934We would get along great with the Starks, to be honest. We know Asha is quite protective given Theon. The other Ironborn won't like us until we have a siege with them, then they'll shut up and change their tune real fucking quick.Personally I think it would be great if we could travel the realm with Asha, Tyrion, and Tysha. Especially Dorn is gonna be hilarious. Both of them could actually be an honest, normal couple there and the Dornish would understand them 100%. Plus, hitting up the tournaments and fighting together could be fun. While Jason could nerd out over all the cool architecture and ruins he could find. While Tyrion could also enjoy a breather with his lover.
>>6386934I don't see why it should be a fluke.And yeah, there is use in a reputation for being good for your word. A reputation for leniency is. . an issue, see the laughing lion.But if everyone can act in good faith, I don't see a reason to be antagonistic.For those with acting in bad faith, they can deal with the less happy or laid back lanister household.
>>6386946Asha has two kingdoms at her back. The Lannister and the Iron Islands. However, her father in law...well, she isn't the only one who hates his guts. Lannisters have lots of enemies, and so to do the Iron Islands for being such massive assholes. If Tywin hadn't done what he did, Dorne would be an easy ally for her to snatch up. Vale also would have been an option until yet again, Tywin fucked it up.Her best bet is funnily enough to pretend to be a separate faction from the Lannisters and open diplomatic channels separate from them that she gives her hubby access as 'future Lannister Head'. If she did, she just divided the entire Lannister powerblock and just forced everyone else to openly negotiate with not just her Ironborn but also the future of Lannister.Suddenly her father in law being such a hellraiser is now something she can exploit to her own advantage and previously blocked diplomatic windows open out because now she is the Reaver Queen of the Iron Islands NOT future Lady Lannister. While Jason can admit to certain concessions unofficially that Tywin cannot do anything about without turning the Iron Islands on him entirely and even cripple his own influence in Lannister lands.This is something even Dorn will take note of and bring the Starks even the Vale to the table.
>>6386947>Personally I think it would be great if we could travel the realm with Asha, Tyrion, and Tysha.>And Sandor can be there as an extra bodyguard for Tyrion because we think he is neat Pulling off heists together as a band of misfits that defy norms and expectations and thus rebel against the system by transgressing against its laws and social order to expropriate treasures from the arrogant nobility none of them fit in with That's my vision anyways and I will only let it go when we come to a point in the story where it's too late/impossible to make it materialize. I mean come on dude... Filthy rich master thieves, it's like the Thomas Crown Affair + George Leslie + Ocean's Eleven...
>>6386955Robbery is more of a thing if Asha has her boat and Ironborn crew by then. Because you just know she isn't gonna resist taking everyone to go pirating, robbing, and sieging. Plus you just sail away if trouble arises and pin the blame on those damned Ironborn Reavers! Totally not notice why for some strange reason there is the next head of Lannister on board, a dwarf, peasant girl, and the captain is a woman are all onboard.Realistically its something she is obligated to do anyway in order to build up support from the Iron Islands while raising up more troops and ships. She is absolutely gonna take her hubby along for the ride because ain't no way she is gonna give up a siege master. Tyrion really is a freebie adviser.Plus I wouldn't mind traveling the realm for a bit with Asha disguised as a wandering knight and we just 'broing' it up at various tournies. Give us a chance to recruit some men who aren't owned by our father while we are at it and give our bro a desperately needed vacation.
>>6386959>Give us a chance to recruit some men who aren't owned by our father while we are at it and give our bro a desperately needed vacation.Right, I want us to have a bitching entourage as the top lion. Tywin sucks at making friends, and while the Mountain is a crazy valuable asset, he also is super evil?? I think Tyrion (and by extension Tysha if we can save her) and The Hound are the only people in our orbit right now I want us to get a strong hold of. Curious to see who else is out there we can rope into our retinue.
>>6386962I'm incredibly happy to throw the Mountain to whoever wants his head.We do not have use for such a vile creature.
>>6386962There is also Asha's retinue but she needs to return to the Iron Islands to reclaim them. Truthfully though I would like to have our own retinue and not just depend on her for everything. Even if our dynamic is the good guy and bad girl shtick.Hunting down Brienne of Tarth would be extremely beneficial. She wouldn't feel so alone and would be able to bond and befriend another female warrior, albeit with a VERY different concept of honor than hers. She just has to be part of our retinue as she won't agree with how Asha does things.Mountain is a terrible idea even if we could technically give him orders, assuming Tywin doesn't override it. Personally, I would rather sacrifice him to make up with Dorne. We really don't need a psycho when we have Asha and her reavers.
>>6386954lmao, i just had a hilarious ideawe'd never do it, this is just a silly hypothetical, but imagine how fucking furious Tywin would be from beyond the grave if Jason rolled over and just politically handed over the Westerlands to the Iron Islands. Fuck it, maybe he even takes on the Greyjoy last name when his wife "claims" him as a salt husband.All of Tywin's bullshit about family legacy, only for it to end in Total Iron Victory.
>>6386967Yeah, we need OUR bloc. If we don't have any allies or friends, we are reliant on others for everything and that means we are at the mercy of everyone.Like we are now
>>6386971Technically speaking, that is exactly what has to happen in order for Asha to take over the Iron Islands. Otherwise, she'll be deemed illegitimate. So strictly speaking, Jason would have TWO identities. His Ironborn 'salt husband' to the Reaver Queen Asha Greyjoy identity to the Ironborn and siegemaster. While in the Greenlands he is Jason Lannister next Lannister Head.Politically when Tywin, Cersei, and her oldest son shits the bed. It's the only way to strike out diplomatically for Jason who is a reasonable guy because we are negotiating on behalf of and through the Iron Islands. NOT Lannister but whoops the Salt Husband in question IS the next head of Lannister...oh my.So yeah Tywin is gonna be fucking PISSED but if he reacts guess what? He will not have a Lannister on the Seastone Throne or even lose Casterly Rock itself! That shit is gonna have him rolling in his grave. As it's entirely plausible for Asha to decide to pull a reversal instead of simply adopting one of her own children back into the House of Greyjoy to be the next head.>>6386972Hence the excuse of 'gaining experience' by traveling to various tournaments throughout the land. Which is something that Tywin would be hardpressed to refuse since he despises how mediocre we are.
>>6386967>Personally, I would rather sacrifice him to make up with Dorne.We could trade his head for a Sandoq or Oberyn at our side. Plus, Hound is NEARLY as strong and deadly, nearly as big, and despite being a hard bastard he has a good heart deep down.
>>6386976the twin identities is fun. Wonder if they have seperate honorifics, which will let you determine who someone is trying to talk too.>>6386971Something something, the obvious importance of making your dream something to be passed on.
>>6386979>>6386976lol, I can already see the Ironborn calling him her "Pet Lion".
>>6386978If we visit Dorne I want to visit Oberyn and make a deal. We can easily lure the Mountain into a trap for him. So long as Mountain isn't on any other orders it will work. Making amends with Oberyn will go a LONG way to fixing relations with Dorne.>>6386979Technically, yes, depending on if its Greenlander or Ironborn vernacular and customs. Asha for example would be referred to as Lady Lannister when speaking to the wife of Jason Lannister on the Greenland. However if you were speaking to Asha Greyjoy heiress of the Iron Islands, then you would adopt the Ironborn vernacular. Because she isn't a Greenlander, thanks to Iron Price being paid for her husband and children. Proving that despite being taken she is still Ironborn. After all SHE claimed HER husband via Iron Price. Not weak Greenlander customary arranged marriage.For Jason if the Ironborn were referring to us, it would depend on whether they were talking to the Salt Husband of Asha Greyjoy or Jason Lannister the Heir of Lannister. As a Salt husband once we had proven ourselves in battle(particularly sieges) they would have to yet again change their exact terminology. As we would no longer be equivalent to a lowly Salt Husband being bred and instead are a proven warrior with valuable expertise. Even though we ARE still technically Asha's salt husband.>>6386981As a title or nickname yeah but not in an official capacity.
I feel like you guys are way too quickly trying to turn this into some femdom story
>Thinking male dominated westeros will take to a submissive husbandOh boy you guys have lost it.
>>6386987Yeah, anons are just getting lost in the sauce. They get one scene with a tough girl and all of a sudden it's fifty posts about getting beaten up and fake raped by a woman, and being her pet, and all that shit.Please just don't take these anons seriously QM. This quest should not turn into some dumb femdom story about being asha's "salt malewife"
>>6386986Sasha isn't a femdom...I think? She just has to kick our ass once in public before Ironborn and make the declaration to restore her status in the Ironborn because they have some really fucking stupid rules and customs.>>6386987Then please explain how we avoid that and don't get our asses kicked by Asha. Plus, we already proven to Asha that we have a spine and limits. The problem is that tolerating her antics is gonna look terrible no matter what. As she isn't ladylike. No matter what, they'll eat us alive and if we try to force it on her, she is just gonna shank us to death in our sleep.Truthfully, as long as we let her enjoy her antics and maintain the boundaries, we'll be fine with her. Our reputation and rumors on the other hand...um. That is gonna be tough. Especially given the setting and customs. I don't see how we can walk out of that clean with such a wife. Although Dorn won't care everyone else will.
>>6386986If it is any salve to you, It's not fetishistic [On my end anyway].It's just a lack of pride and a decent bit of intrigue. Annoying tywin is amusing too.>>6386987Meh. It's what you can back up. Mockery is inherent but if you have the power and the stability, you can fuck your siblings and make deformed children for as long as you hold it."Make all the jokes you want, I still have enough money and debts to buy any two great houses put together" is a solid line of defence. Add the ironborn sailors to our naval influence and it's gold backed with steel.Course, Ironborn are shit soldiers. But they don't need to be amazing to transport troops.
>>6386988To further apply salve, as I anticipate it is needed, No this should not become the point of the quest.But if it's the way to get the salt throne, Then it's worth doing at a later point once we are more established.
>>6386992I'm not the one going around talking about being called a pet or being basically dragged off for sex in public
>>6386995Dragged off for sex is the bedding ceremony, and that's a greenlander/lanister thing.Do you think we can just ignore that tradition? Heir of the rock and all that.After goggling, it's across the whole continent and it is an optional tradition.We can ignore that.
>>6386986>>6386987If we try to stop Asha from being a butch pirate, she will kill us, and the marriage will suck anyways. I didn't vote for the Reaver option to put her in a dress. If we let her live her pirate life, we have to accept the likeliness that she uses the loopholes of her dumbfuck savage culture and superior strength to reclaim her rights and titles. Even if we could stop her, why would we? It benefits us massively to be the only couple that fully controls both of our houses. I don't care if the same nobles that talk shit about Tyrion decide to talk shit about us because our wife can kick the shit out of their faggy husbands. I don't care if the Ironborn call us Pet Lion. We have blocks to play with and a kingdom to stabilize and a house to save from the dumbfucks that are going to be making all of the moves. Idunno man, we chose the pirate heiress, that means planning for how we fit into her goals as we figure out our own. It isn't really a fetish thing here, this is literally the Game of Thrones at play. >>6386993>Course, Ironborn are shit soldiers.We are gonna fix that the same way we are gonna level up Asha. In the books she is a B+, maybe A tier fighter. I think with us bankrolling, she could be on the low end of S...
>>6387000You can't just "buy" discipline from a bunch of unwashed pirate sailors who's primary method of victory is light arms and armour on a rolling ship deck.And they are immensely adverse to change, or training to be more like the mainlanders.Just use Lanister soldiers and leave them as they are. Plus, training up a bunch of untrustworthy bandit captains on boats feels like a real triple edged sword, with two edges pointed at us.
>>6386988I agree but I don't know how you got that. It was mostly just talk about intrigue and how much we can piss off Tywin cause fuck him. There were only like...2 posts about the retarded Ironborn loophole that Asha can use to restore her Ironborn status. Nothing regarding femdom.Also our rep was fucked the moment we went for the totally not Viking wannabe queen bitch of the seas. Shit even marrying a Dorner would have gotten us shit on. Especially with the stunt Tywin pulled.>>6386993Ironborn forget they are light raider infantry that think they can tackle heavy infantry and knights than bitch and moan when they lose. The best you can squeeze out of them is some shocktroopers and rapid blitzing but any serious fight they break like wet tissue paper. Even when sailing, they forget they specialize in hit and run tactics thus piracy than full blown naval engagements.Also I forgot we are about to go bankrupt...is there anything valuable here? Cause i'm pretty sure the ironborn are also broke...>>6386998Tywin is a stickler and is gonna wanna humiliate/teach Asha a lesson. So I doubt we can avoid it. Would be nice but he will do it just to spite and hurt her.This is why I suspect Asha wants to lose it ahead of time so it's not as humiliating for her and done on her own terms.
>>6387004From my googling, the ceremony isn't that invasive. Each party gets carried by an opposing sex and disrobed as they go. You are meant to make "ribald" jokes as you go, and then you get tucked into bed with your spouse and everyone else fucks off behind the door.I don't think Tywin, Petty as a bitch as he is, would consider it a suitable punishment.Then again, he did do it himself, might force the issue.But on the third hand, he specifically interfered during sansa/tyrion's wedding by Tyrion's request vs joffery. Might not want to risk us looking bad at our own wedding.
>every noble in westeros talking shit about Jason until he pulls up with a newly invented siege engine that reduces their finest (read: pigshit) walls into rubble in under an hourAlso, I hope if Jaime loses his hand we can finagle up some sort of prosthetic hand that uses a pulley or crank system so he can choose to actually hold a sword with it. It'd be crude, yes, but being able to clamp it onto a shield or grip a sword with two "hands" for leverage would be a big step up from just having a chunk of iron painted gold, maybe with a pokey bit on it. I base this idea on Gotz of the Iron Hand, not Guts of the Jesus Fucking Christ.
>>6387009Why invent a new seige machine, when the trebuchet already exists. Perfection is right there in front of you.The real trick is getting good at the maths, and knowing where to hit. Dismantling a fortress bit by bit is the scary part.Engineering a hand seems a bit beyond us at this point. But a shield he can easily fit to his arm might be a nice idea.
>>6386995I was joking about the "Pet" part because it sounded funnySame as the guy who made the "poo on her" post. Just a meme, nothing more
>>6387000Its gonna be easier to fix Asha than the fucking ironborn soldiers. They think their big and bad because they don't fight pros than bitch and moan when they DO fight the real deal. Even Sasha indirectly admitted this to us when we were talking defenses with her. They specialize in RAIDING. Real resistance makes them fold.Asha at least we are making progress on her...slow painful progress but progress nonetheless. Sure, we lost but she still respected the boundaries we set and did a 180 about our twin brother. Even pointing out the problem with him Tysha when she could have just ignored it.Who knows maybe by some miracle we can even convince her to wear a dress? Just let her keep the knives...Military wise I would rather beat the Ironborn into a proper fleet because fat chance we can break them of their shitty infantry habits and mentality. At least they know how to sail properly. Soldier wise, our backbone will be Lannister infantry and if we ever have to depend on Ironborn infantry in our army, then we are fucked. They are irregular skirmishers and harassment infantry at best. If they're in the army, we are screwed. They work best by causing problems and making the enemy waste resources chasing after them.>>6387008The thing is, it is Tywin we are talking about. He will absolutely be that much of a petty asshole. Asha has done everything she can to resist, which is only going to make him double down in response. Despite us pointing it out to her that doing so is just gonna make even worse for her in the long run and Tywin isn't going to forget. So he is absolutely gonna find whatever petty way he can to make her as miserable as possible.>>6387009Maester's college. Put up a rich reward for a prosthetic hand. They'll make a kickass one for him.
>>6386920>we get our own achievementsWhat could Jason do achievement-wise? Not necessarily something too important.- Learning the art of sieges and defensive warfare, which is connected to architecture. Becoming a master at it.- Going to the citadel to learn even more of Architecture and maybe gain some links can be an idea.- Gaining Knighthood? Seems a tad too hard to do (he struggled to get to his acceptable level of combat skill, trying again seems foolish)- Another smaller architectural project (Jason seemed to do some during updates ? But they require funds, time, and approval)- Attempting something like a large architectural project? (I can't see it done, the treasury and the mines don't look good. Too unlikely, unless it's something even Tywin would be forced to approve of, at how useful it would be. Also, more funds, time, and approval than the small projects)- Maybe attempting to become an administrator ? (Try to become better at something else)Jason doesn't seem to be that great in much else. Anything social, diplomatic, or intrigue-related seems a tad too difficult for him to pursue.>>6385425>>6387004>anything valuable here?What do you mean by that?Trying to find more ore veins in the depths of the Westernlands ? Infrastructure improvements to Lannisport ?Did Castamere have any useful mines? Tywin is probably autistic about keeping it underwater.We did find this years ago. Maybe it helped with the Lannister treasury lol>Most shockingly you found a whole Ballroom, shuttered away generations past due to lean times and grief, that held within it plenty of family treasures.
>>6387012>Engineering a hand seems a bit beyond us at this point. But a shield he can easily fit to his arm might be a nice idea.Surprisingly it's not as complicated as it sounds. All you need is a ratchet and a lever for the simplest way of making it work. Just a couple gears and you can have the thumb be separate in its articulating direction from the four fingers. It's entirely possible. Though We might need to bring Tyrion in to work out the kinks or bounce the ideas off of him. A crank would be better than a lever since it would take less space and be harder to knock loose. But it would be more complicated. Essentially putting the mechanism for raising a portcullis into his "wrist" and making it very, very small. Something Jason will probably be able to wrap his head around. >>6387014>Maester's college. Put up a rich reward for a prosthetic hand.That's certainly one way of doing it. Though I would like to do it personally, since it might just be that Jason's brothers being in some sort of peril is what stokes his ambitions. It could just be that Jason is not the type that does things for his own sake, but for the sake of others. Also because it would just be a very sweet gesture that Jaime would probably really need to feel like he isn't a worthless piece of shit since he lost the only thing he ever thought he was good at.
>>6387014>>6387004>>6387001For military purposes, the Ironborn would best be put to use by sending them into enemy territory and letting them fight guerilla warfare by just pillaging and harassing supply lines, whilst letting the Lannister armies handle the proper battles.
>>6387018The ironborn won't even listen to us, Asha is a woman and we're a soft Greenland's and apparently a "salt-husband"
>>6387020Asha barely loses control of the Islands in the books, and still manages to hold sway over a large faction of Ironborn + her personal crew. With our help (and I think that will include Tyrion's, maybe Sandor's), I think it's feasible she attains her goal of Reaver Queen!
>>6387017Huh. Well, . . I got nothing, That's just really cool.>>6387018They serve a secondary role here, as a supply of ships. Raid ships true, but that is still a fleet of ships we can use to deploy swiftly along the coasts.>>6387022For this to still be true, she needs to spend time in her homeland, with the support of her father to make the right connections and credibility.
>>6387022Good luck then, you'll need it.
>>6387012>>6387012Torsion Ballistae... I think those exist in Westeros, but only as antipersonnel/anti-dragon weapons. They fire arrows in westeros, but IRL they had big ones that fired stones up to 30 lbs on the regular, and you could defin. However, a really, really big one would be the match of an early cannon in sheer destructive power; firing a very large stone very fast on a flat trajectory. It'd be expensive as shit and enormous, but still.The Romans had it down to a science. They made formulae and standardized tables so you could know exactly how big to make each part to produce a functional ballista every time, presuming good-quality materials. The frames were usually wood, but the preferred materials for the torsion springs were either animal sinew (the preferred option), or women's hair; presumably because they take better care of it and keep it longer on average. Not only does this give us an emergency option for construction if war breaks out and our new ballista catches on, but it would also popularize short hair, which is always a bonus.We also don't NEED to make it out of wood. Iron or, preferably, bronze (due to corrosion-resistance and that it's likely cheaper than good iron) construction would mean we could keep the frames in storage and then make new springs on demand. Metal framed torsion ballistae existed, so I can see us making them. Could even do some standardized testing to make sights for them.They could also serve as naval artillery. which Asha might like. Primitive artillery, yes, but better than a mangonel or onager that have to fire in a ballistic arc. Even a small one would likely wreak havoc on an unprepared target, as I doubt a Westerosi ship's carpenter is trained to operate under fire.
>>6387024Oh yeah, we are gonna make enemies out of Euron and Victarion probably at a minimum. Meanwhile we are already going to be contending with Cersei's psycho retardation, possibly Joffrey's, and Tywin's increasingly desperate, wicked bids to keep the whole house of cards together. I think it's funny how most of Asha and Jason's most dangerous enemies will inevitably be their own disproportionately powerful and retarded family members, easily four of the most dangerous individuals in the entire setting. I also like how Balon sees Asha as a suitable heir, but Tywin sees us as ultimately unworthy and has to just make peace with it somehow.
>>6387026*You could definitely make them to fire bigger stones.As an aside, these weren't just random rocks, they were carved "bullets" like how they carved slingstones. Maybe not shaped like a bullet, but definitely smoothed down to fly better.
>>6387026Tortion batista.Ohhhh yes.
>>6387029Could use horse hair maybe? That grows back fairly fast.And surely there are some types of rope that make for better string than animal intestines. We want something Kong term scalable
>>6387018Really, the only thing they would be good at. Ironborn infantry really are the worst. Plus no cavalry.>>6387022>>6387027She needs to return to the Iron Islands and spend years as a pirate to build support. Otherwise, she won't have a chance to try. If we can somehow send her out and sailing again. Working together should be enough to allow her to claim the throne there. Something that even Tywin won't try to sabotage. Truthfully, she won't even need the Lannister army unless there is sieging just an extra fleet will give her the needed muscle to claim it.>>6387026>>6387015This this I like.In terms of money the Lannisters are about to go bankrupt due to exhausted mines. Come to think of it would it be possible to design better mines or discover new veins? Or do we even have anything else of value for trade?
>>6387033You don't want the intestines, actually; you want the sinews. I suppose other fabrics (the stretchier the better!) would work, even if it might be sub-par. Or, again, hair. Horse hair works, I imagine, it's just that the greeks and romans weren't super big on horses.Maybe we end up breeding the world's only horse breed intended for its hair and not labor/war.
>>6387035>In terms of money the Lannisters are about to go bankrupt due to exhausted minesIsn't that only in the tv show? I thought in the books that there's still plenty of gold...
>>6387033Animal sinew is pretty strong. Especially depending on the animal. Twisting it and tying it just makes it stronger. Though other materials would keep way better at sea. Salty air and water is harsh as hell on most things. If we could invent stainless steel, which is to say, non-corroding steel, we could use that and rope and make something mean as shit. Spring steels as its name implies springs back into shape when tension is removed, which is what swords and later period crossbows use for the "arms". So very stiff stainless spring steel would be ideal. Which I don't know if spring steel can be stainless steel off of the top of my head. But using normal spring steel and just taking care of it and keeping it dry and oiled would keep it safe during voyages and after use. And since it would be an alloy that is probably too stiff to be used for swords it wouldn't be missed as sorely as more springy spring steel. Take a shot for every time "Steel" comes up.You could use iron for the arms but they can't take as much tension before deforming. Which makes them fine for hand-powered crossbows but not great for high-torsion ones which are usually crank or lever operated. Though you could also just use wood to similar effect as iron, because iron is actually pretty malleable until you work it into composition. It likes to bend and stay bent albeit far less than the likes of gold. Of course good steel comes from good iron.Iron and gold are the two things that make this world go round. What a coincidence, a golden lion and an iron maiden are sitting in a room together.
>>6387041I finally found it yeah. I was mistaken. There is still plenty of gold in untapped veins in casterly rock apparently.
>>6387046Couldn't we just use Ironwood from the north?
>>6387064In a torsion Ballista, all of the power comes from the torsion spring, which is basically like... have you ever twisted something hanging from a string and watched it spin and go back to normal? That, but times ten-thousand. Necessarily the torsion spring is made from something springy/stretchy. Historically, out of hair or sinew; or as anon suggests, spring steel, although a fabric torsion spring and a metallic torsion spring look very different.Ironwood would save weight because you can build the chassis lighter, but not really help in the power. That NEEDS hair/sinew/steel. That, and relying on foreign goods for a "superweapon" is a bad idea.
>>6387064Assuming they're canon here, yeah probably. If we want it to be at sea we might wanna lacquer it or something, though. I'm not well versed in how wood is treated for ship-building but a similar process would presumably be applied for building a weapon on the ship as is the material for the ship itself. It would simplify matters a fair bit. Though there is something to be said about eggs in baskets. Might be risky to rely upon a single source for our needs. However there would still be limits to how much power you could hold that way, since that would probably be more like a crossbow than a "proper" balliista. Which, granted, could still punch a hole through a ship's hull or potentially shatter a mast, but it wouldn't be able to threaten walls and reinforced fortress gates as well. Then again, as opposed to fucking inventing new alloys, yeah that's much safer kek. Might be fun to dabble in metallurgy and chemistry like that, though. Maybe ask the Hound to smash some metal mixtures against some rocks or trees til they break or he gets tired of trying if he's feeling particularly angsty any given day. Until he gets whisked off to watch over everyone's least favorite psychopath at least.For making a weapon that uses stored energy you need something springy and stretchy. Wood is definitely one of the best materials for this, but that's primarily in a question of ease of acquiring and cost-efficiency. Bows are a fine example of this, they hit the sweet spot of how hard a man could possibly pull to project something at speed. Wood makes for the best overall material. But for more power and more specialized construction you want more specific materials. You need the springyness to ensure the majority of the energy is being transferred into the projectile. Granted, if Ironwood IS as good as is claimed, it's pretty fucking high up there in terms of utility in our use case. Assuming by iron hard they mean refined iron and not raw iron. However it would be pretty limited, given how stingy they are with handing it out to maintain replenishment rates. Steel would probably still be preferable, but if the question is between iron and ironwood, ironwood takes the cake.
>>6387035>Come to think of it would it be possible to design better mines or discover new veins?Probably. I have never heard of mining innovation in Westeros. Or of innovation in general in Westeros. Essos is usually more ahead.>Or do we even have anything else of value for trade?The Westernlands are rocky hills-mountains. There is a minumum of agriculture, probably some sherpards with goats and sheeps, fishing on the coasts, trade with Lannisport and well mining of metallic ores. There is probably some stone mining as well.If we had some power i would concentrate on goats/sheeps (kinda like medieval spain did), or on stone industry. I would naturally pick the second for facilitate our architectural project.
yo still alive, working on the post, just beenbusy, hope to get the post out soon. I will not be a length worth the wait, apologies again. love to see all the discussion! need to catch up
Tywin stormed into the tent established for his family, something to avoid the peasant run Inns and journeying all the way back into the rock, and he filled it with the storm of his wroth. The entire day, infront of every bannerman, infront of every house that had come, infront of the King himself, his damnedable, pedestrian son had abandoned his place as Heir to the house. When he saw that the tent was empty of both Jason and that damn Ironborn wretch, Tywin Lannister nearly lost the tight chains he held around his emotions. With considerable effort, he reigned it in, and what would have been a shout came out as a firm, angry demand “Find them, find all of my damned children, that the Kraken girl as well. Do it quickly and without a scene.” He said, turning to Clegane and his men.Sandor nodded, jerking his head to order his men and heading off to go lion hunting. Gregor stood, the Mountain ready to ride, but Tywin glared at him “You’ll stay here, I do not need you drawing attention to this.” He said, going over to some empty bottles of wine, then examining them. He growled out in annoyance before sitting down at a chair, pouring himself a cup of wine before beginning to look over messages and invoices for the tourney, focusing on his work to spread the Lannisters to every corner of the 7 kingdoms to keep from focusing on his anger.XxxxxXYou had found them, thank the seven you found them when you did, cause the Septon had been so very close to marrying them both. You had found them in a different Inn, after asking for a dwarf with a lovely woman, until you finally found them. Tyrion and Tysha, lost in each others company, had nearly married one another it a fit of passion that you so desperately wished to have been allowed to pass. Instead you stepped forward and, as Asha sent the Septon packing, you grabbed hold of your brother’s shoulders “Tyrion, have you abandoned all sense?!”(Cont)
>>6387233Tyrion looked at you with at first confusion, then hurt, then anger as he shook your grip from him “No, this is something that’s made more sense to me than anything else. I love this woman Jason, she feels the same for me, she sees me and accepts it. How could you stop me, when I’m trying to be happy, I tho-”You slapped the side of his head admonishingly “Shut it you love drunk fool, I couldn’t be happier you found someone to love. If this were any other circumstance, I’d be angry I wasn’t invited to the wedding.” You said, shutting down whatever false betrayal Tyrion had been imagining.“Oh…Then, why are you trying to stop me?”“Because in every conceivable circumstance, Father will be angry with you over this. Marrying a woman below your station, a Lannister?” You say, seeing insult take in his expression “Oh in the Smith’s name, pull your wit from your cock and be the smart one like you always have been,” you say, standing tall and looking down at him, using his annoyance to focus him “Our father is a man who has wiped out whole families, who slew children and a mother to prove his loyalty, who has proven himself a terror to any and all who would stand in his way or earn his ire for any slight that may make the family or more importantly himself look bad. What is he going to do to you, the Son he already mistreats, when he discovers Tysha and you married beneath his nose?”Tyrion listened to your words, Asha coming back and standing near the door, dagger at the ready as she kept watch. Tyrion played through the situation, first as the love drunk fool, then as the son of a noble family, then finally as Tyrion Lannister son of Tywin. His eyes went wide with terror, and he stumbled back as his hand went to his head, shock and fear settling in “I-i don’t know what he would do, but…anything he can devise is something I cannot allow to happen to Tysha.”You let out a sigh of relief “Good, my brother is back in control instead of his little imp,” you said mockingly, earning you a slightly peeved punch from Tyrion. “Now, I’m not saying you stop seeing Tysha, but we need to handle this right, else everything will go wrong.”(Cont)
>>6387234Tyrion nodded, thought for a moment, then nodded again “Yes…Yes you’re right…Thank the gods for you Brother, thank the gods you had the sense to stop me, All I had in my mind was Tysha and a hovel by the sea.” Asha let out a laugh, and you couldn’t help but smile “Really? That’s all you had?” You turned to Tysha and bowed to her, making Tysha smile sheepishly “My lady, you have bested the greatest mind in the westerlands, rendered him insensible and a fool with but your voice and your smile, I never thought I’d see the day I was smarter than my twin.” You said, praising tysha and teasing your brother. You then turned “Alright, good we’ve stopped your self destruction, now we need to figure out a plan.”“And Luckily, I have my father's heir right here. Makes it so I have options,”“Abusing your brother’s position to hide your secret love, I feel so used.” You said mockingly, your brother smiling as he thought. You also began to think of ideas, as you may not be the equal to your brother you were still not a simpleton. No matter what you suggested, you were sure your brother would improve on the plan with his own adjustments.>Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha, using your authority as her betrothed and using your rising responsibilities as the Heir of the Rock to set the employment. Tyrion will have to keep his rendezvous with Tysha to secret visits and hidden passages, but it would avoid a marriage scandal. Tysha would be brought closer to Tywin as a servant of his house, but he would have to be careful with how he treated her to avoid scandal.>Using your active projects to renovate and repair the Rock, construct hidden rooms and halls dedicated to Tysha and Tyrion, where they can build a home in the dense halls of the rock, lost in the clutter. Tysha would live in the rocks walls until it was safe for her and Tyrion to come out, but she could live in luxury and Tyrion could keep his meetings with her secret. However, even the miniscule scrubbing of the numbers could be seen with close enough scrutiny if you were not careful.>Send Tysha away with gold, somewhere outside of Tywin’s reach. Then Have Tyrion follow her as soon as he can with his own supply of gold. Together, they can build a life far away from Tywin, disappearing beyond his reach, It would make it so Lord Tywin would be rid of his dwarf son, even if he may be angry to have been escaped from. However, if you did this, there was no guarantee you would be able to see Tyrion again anytime soon, or ever if he and Tysha were forced to go farther than you imagined. But Tyrion could be safe, happy, and loved.>Other
>>6387236>Send Tysha away with gold, somewhere outside of Tywin’s reach. Then Have Tyrion follow her as soon as he can with his own supply of gold. Together, they can build a life far away from Tywin, disappearing beyond his reach, It would make it so Lord Tywin would be rid of his dwarf son, even if he may be angry to have been escaped from. However, if you did this, there was no guarantee you would be able to see Tyrion again anytime soon, or ever if he and Tysha were forced to go farther than you imagined. But Tyrion could be safe, happy, and loved.Where do Dwarves go... to essos or Oldtown maybe?
>>6387236>Send them far with their gold.I want to keep them close, Use the maid gambit. But that leaves too much open.Go free little Dwarf, run and live well and happy.
It feels like it would be a shame to just send Tyrion out of the story, isn't it?
>>6387241It is. But it's also the option that results in his best life.If she stays as a maid, I bet you, I BET YOU Cercie will interfere.And the secret room plan is. . .romantic, But I wonder at practicalities.
>>6387236>Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha, using your authority as her betrothed and using your rising responsibilities as the Heir of the Rock to set the employment. Tyrion will have to keep his rendezvous with Tysha to secret visits and hidden passages, but it would avoid a marriage scandal. Tysha would be brought closer to Tywin as a servant of his house, but he would have to be careful with how he treated her to avoid scandal.
>>6387241Okay how do you actually protect them from Tywins fury then? Because the Dwarf lannister slipping off to a specific place or fucking around with a common handmaid will be noticed at some point?
>>6387242Cersei isn’t an issue, thankfully she lives at king’s landing as the current queen.
>>6387245Well sure, it's not a bad plan, but it does mean we'd be entirely alone. Tyrion is the one person we can pretty much 100% trust, Asha is a nice girl but even she has her own agenda, even if that one doesn't end with us dead.
>>6387247I wouldn't trust distance to stop her fucking this up. . . But fuck it.NARRATIVE MOMENTUM>>6387240>Change to Disguise as a handmaid.Who knows, maybe this will allow us to be possessed by a strong drive.
>>6387236Okay well for the sake of keeping things going >Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha>But REINFORCE to Tyrion how important it is that even if he's found out, that it be as a simple affair rather than a marriage.
>>6387236>Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha, using your authority as her betrothed and using your rising responsibilities as the Heir of the Rock to set the employment. Tyrion will have to keep his rendezvous with Tysha to secret visits and hidden passages, but it would avoid a marriage scandal. Tysha would be brought closer to Tywin as a servant of his house, but he would have to be careful with how he treated her to avoid scandal.That's plan A. But we should be ready with the "take a lot of gold and run" option as Plan B. That way if Tywin finds out, things still won't turn out disastrously since we've already gotten the getaway route / secret destination / fake identities taken care of beforehand.
>>6387236>>Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha, using your authority as her betrothed and using your rising responsibilities as the Heir of the Rock to set the employment. Tyrion will have to keep his rendezvous with Tysha to secret visits and hidden passages, but it would avoid a marriage scandal. Tysha would be brought closer to Tywin as a servant of his house, but he would have to be careful with how he treated her to avoid scandal.Must confess this feels like a repeat of the last vote - making a plan to protect Tyrion/Tysha - though I do appreciate having these solid options. I wish we could lean on our talent more, but let's just make sure Tyrion and Tysha have access to each other and access to the most clandestine parts of the rock to continue their romance. I definitely would not let them both go, we genuinely NEED Tyrion as an ally, regardless of our ambitions. If we end up aiming high (or more likely, Asha does, and ropes us in) we will absolutely need his intellect. But even if we decide to remain largely passive as a noble, we are going to have enemies and our house has problems and both will need a sharper mind.
>>6387266Yeah sorry for that, I just felt it was best to get everyone to agree on a plan.
Oh also Tysha Handmaid plan wins, writing
>>6387273It's cool dude, barely a nuisance and compared to some of the ways I have fumbled as a QM, I would say you are doing a great job so far. Plus I have contributed to absolutely blowing the shit out of this thread with all my yapping, you're a real relentless trooper to even try and keep up with this much deliberating about the future.
>>6387245Asha can easily vouch and make up excuses for her handmaid. If anything, Tywin would find it stranger that it wasn't Jason fucking his fiancée's maids instead. Tywin won't care much so long as it remains a whore treatment and no romance slips out. Which again is something Asha can easily cover up so long as they don't get too sloppy. A noble fucking the maids? Entirely expected. A noble falling in love with a maid on the other hand...Of course if Asha really wanted to she could screw us or more specifically, Tyrion but we already made her back down on crossing that line. Via a match of fisticuffs that made her acknowledge the fact that we do have a spine and aren't doormat even if we do tolerate her antics, unlike any other nobleman in Westeros. Not like it's gonna save our reputation but honestly, that died when everyone realized we were the most mediocre child of Lannister of the batch...much less as heir. There is a reason why Jason is so chill.>>6387250Jason has no idea what Asha's agenda is, except for a single hint when she accidentally revealed some info about warfare a lady shouldn't know or care about and her obvious desire to escape/return home. We also don't know that she finds Jason to be her type but doesn't know how to flirt like a lady, so it went completely over his head. All Jason knows is how rebellious she is, she terrorifies him, and surprisingly trustworthy despite kicking his ass.Tyrion no doubt would notice a lot more oddities about her but is currently distracted by his own trouble and lovesick. So he isn't exactly on top of his game right now or he would be advising Jason a bit on how...odd his wife is. Not just as a tomboy.
>>6387353I forgot to mention that Bastards is also a terrible good idea.>>6387072>>6387083So Ironwood is gonna be something we wanna prioritize stockpiling of. Easy to do with a contract with House Mormont. While Lannister lands are rich in mines too. Steel might be tricky until we bribe some maesters to help, which is easily doable. Sinew and hair will require more consideration but there have to be extensive horse farms given the extensive usage of heavy cavalry being the backbone of the seven kingdom armies, along with heavy infantry. None of them is exactly lacking in horse farms or industry. Just doesn't change how expensive and time-consuming a full plate is to make or the value of a well bred horse given the drastic demand.Honestly, I think good lumber would be a bigger problem given how extensive the deforestation is in the seven kingdoms. Only really, the North has intact massive forests still. So we'll be spending a pretty penny on sourcing good lumber.Also we should buy Asha a proper flagship as a wedding gift or something instead of the shitty pirate ship she'll start with. Make that shit out of ironwood with some nice toys and she'll be a proper terror who will be forced to learn that sea raiding tactics are how you die horribly in a proper naval engagement instead of against merchant ships or other pirates. Easy to arrange right now too because the Lannisters have to rebuild their fleet currently.
>>6387437>Easy to do with a contract with House Mormont. Or, if they're considered canon here, House Forrester perhaps? In the game, they had a whole thing about selling Tyrion Ironwood. But we could do it ourselves.
wait, shitwhat excuse are we going to tell Tywin when we get dragged back to the tent and yelled at for running off?If we want to score more affection from Asha, we could try to take the blame by saying "This was all my idea, don't punish her" even though this would bring down even more wrath upon poor Jason
>>6387452Absolutely do not say that, do you want to so obviously reveal your weaknesses?"The sun's touch was heavy on the day father, So I proposed that we get to know the people of lanisport and refresh ourselves with a beer. We found Tyrion naturally and spent our time together bonding. A strong marriage is better for your plans with the Iron islands than a weak one, and I think she took well to Tyrion's wit, if not the people."It's clearly our idea, it's done for good intentioned reasons, gives Tyrion an alibi for where the fuck he's been, and we clearly aren't asking for punishment when we are asking for praise.So the punishment is a withholding of it.
>>6387452Yeah, that'd be stupid. We just need to say we were getting to know our wife.
>>6387452We were getting on with our "Duties" of continuing the bloodline.
>>6387470Honestly might be a better idea, framed as youthful mistakes.my main concern is using too many lies. Half truths are a better bed for manipulation, since they take less effort to remember and are still mostly true.
>>6387471This, if we lie and someone reports we were seen at a tavern or something it'll be bad. If we just say "We were getting to know our new wife" that would probably just get us a basic lecture on responsibility, but nothing too bad.
>>6387471Alright then, if we can avoid the hound or see him coming just grab Asha and kiss her/smack her/tear a piece of clothing to look like we were about to get it on forcefully.It's not like we arent interested in her and haven't fought her so it's likely Tywin will overlook the more inconvenient answer for the one he likes, that we are shaping up and manning up.
>>6387445That will work. Really, we need to sign some contracts with whatever Northern Houses needed. As a Lannister we'll pay premium prices. while Tywin isn't about to look twice at it because 1 we are the heir doing his 'duty' and 2 they need a new fleet anyhow.>>6387452Are you retarded?Both Tywin and Asha are up shit creek with Tywin regardless. He despises us for being so mediocre compared to the rest of his children. We are only barely above Tyrion because at least we aren't a dwarf.We already scored affection with Asha; she just doesn't trust us yet for obvious reasons. Asha only becomes a problem if we try to prevent her antics or block her ambitions. She is 'easy' to handle like that.>>6387470>>6387473Probably a better idea to be honest. Unlike other women, it's not like Asha is gonna mind or be scandalized. If anything, she'll be more annoyed that we didn't follow through with it. Not that we know that, given her Ironborn failed seduction. Just give Asha a heads-up. Tear our clothing a bit and leave some heavy hickeys on each other.Tywin cannot even bitch about it too much because at least it's our fiancée and we ARE horny teenagers. Better than a bastard and an early marriage is tolerable, given his ambitions. Plus, it will distract him from Tyrion and how sloppy he got with Tysha.
>>6387474Given the punched and bruises, I doubt hickeys are all that needed
>>6387474>Just give Asha a heads-upDONT do this, she'll appreciate us being assertive and masculine even if it surprises her.
>>6387475Tywin is gonna be pissed if we lose to a woman and our fiancée no less. Hickeys indicate that we made acceptable progress and didn't cause a diplomatic incident via attempted rape.>>6387476Fair enough, we can take another punch to the face. Just make sure we both end up with hickeys.
>>6387477Raise and counter, They are going to find Tyrion with us.Possibly even Tysha.Pretending we were about to get it on when they found us doesn't look good. So claim we were interrupted?
>>6387478Again, just claim we were getting to meet our wife. We ran into Tyrion.
>>6387445I'd probably make them canon, they seem coolI am awake now so i'll start typing
>>6387452>>6387460>>6387463>>6387470>>6387471>>6387472>>6387473>>6387474As anon notes here >>6387475We look like we got our ass kicked, which will require its own explanation, and 'we tried to rape our wife and she kicked our ass because of it' is NOT gonna be an acceptable answer. We are probably just going to get flogged or something no matter what in this situation. Unfortunate we weren't able to de-escalate the fight with Asha after we punched her. But at least we won't make these mistakes again.
>>6387487>is NOT gonna be an acceptable answer.1. We can explain with her being an Irborn savage2. We have previous incidents that may be public knowledge of those shit3. We can pass it off as a kink4. This is Tywin we're talking about consent is not a factor he really cares about.
>>6387490Tywin cares about us damaging the woman who he needs to give him a heir
>>6387495A heir to the salt throne*
>>6387487Why make the claim of rape?Again, half truths.We wanted to know our wife better. We drank. We brawled. The brawl did good for our relationship.
>>6387437If you want to get REALLY fucky, you can have Jason learn about ship engineering. Which is to say, learn about buoyancy. Then you realize you don't need wood at all and you just need to make the ship fatter to displace more water. No need for an ironclad, we could just make an iron ship. Note, this would be a disastrous idea and the hull would all but disintegrate in the harsh seawater. But making steel isn't too complicated. Spring steel is already used for swords here. Granted, not to the quality and standards of today, and probably less than the later medieval periods. There are probably plenty of smiths playing with various steel compositions to try and make better stuff for their own works. And yeah, with maesters using grant money to try and discover something new, but they're probably doing more mad alchemy shit than material science shit. All it really is at this point is making steel but adding more or less carbon, throwing in other metals, maybe pissing in it to see if that does anything. Metallurgy is fun. It's just a bunch of "smash my blocks together and see what happens" for the most part. Throw some aluminum in. Maybe throw some tungsten in. Fuck it, throw in some obsidian sand, who gives a shit? Just have fun with it. And when it doesn't work you just throw it out of the third story window without looking at who may or may not be standing below it.>>6387487Could just say we got drunk and hit each other. To see who is tougher. Like dumb kids, especially boys, are wont to do. He'll probably oblige us by having our ass beat, but still. Any lapse in reasoning we can blame on being shitfaced.
>>6387495If we were Ramsay bolton sure but we're mild mannered Jason lannister, even if he sees us "manning up" he knows we understand restraint and self-control.
>>6387499That's dumb, anon, you know that's not how it'll work.
>>6387497I agree that when it comes to the bruises, the truth is honestly sufficient.Asha said something horrible about our mother, so we hit her, and then she started hitting back. The brawl ended without anyone getting seriously hurt, nor any long-term grudges.Normally he'd be completely pissed, but he might be slightly less mad about starting a fight with Asha since it was about defending the memory of Tywin's wife aka the woman he loved with all his heart.
>>6387497>Why make the claim of rape?I think I was just inferring that from the idea of 'just tell him we were trying to bone', because how else would that involve us getting our shit rocked? All in all I think we have done a good job playing with each hand we have been dealt, but I guess I also feel that at a certain point the house has to win, so to say - it'll be ok if we can't lie our way out of being held accountable for bailing on the tournament and getting into a bar fight. I'd have risked worse to save Tyrion and Tysha from nightmarish Tywin trauma.
>>6387504Great idea, get tywin pissed as fuck about Asha lmao. The guy already has her beat regularly.
Just say we and Asha were attacked by cutthroat, and we fought them off
>>6387506Yeah, I don't see any way in which we avoid getting in trouble.But I do want us to frame our story in the best light we can to defuse as much of the issue as we can.It also sets the groundwork for how we play the Game, I'd prefer to base it on half truths rather than audacity and bluster.
>>6387487>>6387490That is what hickeys are for and it's not like we aren't gonna get in fights with her again. She is an Ironborn tomboy and wannabe first Reaver Queen. The hickeys at least make it look like it wasn't about an active fight but more kinky foreplay instead of us just getting our asses kicked by a girl. Which WILL be unacceptable.Thinking that we are both kinky who prefer a good fight and getting roughed up before as foreplay is far more acceptable.>>6387495He only cares that she isn't crippled/disfigured to avoid a diplomatic incident and will be only mildly annoyed from an early marriage if we knock up our fiancée early. He will be much more pissed if we fight and lose to our wife instead of it just being foreplay because we both apparently like fighting first before fucking. She IS an Ironborn savage after all.>>6387504That will enrage Tywin for no reason at all. Let them think its us being kinky and can easily be proven via hickeys.>>6387508Except there are witnesses at the bar. Rough foreplay is acceptable and easily believable with ready proof via hickeys and torn clothes.
>>6387508Oh yeah, I like this. We can say they tried to rob us or were picking on Tyrion or something. Still risky that someone at the tavern will rat, the guards would probably have tracked us there first? But worth the gamble. What's he gonna do if we found out we lied on top of flaking and getting beat up? Beat us twice? I mean, yeah... Probably four times... Sigh... It's ok, we wouldn't be a Lannister without the Tywin trauma.
>>6387512He would be mad at us for risking our lives, mad at us for losing, mad at the guards for letting it happen...
>>6387498I think Jason is doomed to learn more about boatbuilding for the simple fact that he is gonna be beyond frustrated that his building blocks keep getting knocked down while at sea. Inspiring him to figure out how to build around that. His grasp of sieging will also likely come from being encouraged by Asha when she notices his talent for architecture and him considering the weapons that COULD damage/ruin his precious buildings. He loves his nerdy ass hobby. It's the only fun thing that brings him joy in life that he is actually good at.Maesters are superior masters with metallurgy so long as we find the ones with the right rings. Hence sending a bounty to Old Town with a reward for whoever gives us what we want. Really not that difficult just gonna pay for it and let the Maesters handle it because they need the gold for their studies and research. Trying to use smiths will take too long and be inefficient.>>6387506Exactly. Use hickeys as proof that it wasn't just us getting our ass kicked by a girl. That instead, we were trying to fuck our fiancée while shitfaced but mostly failed.>>6387512We'll get less punishment if he thinks Jason tried to fuck his fiancée before the wedding because drunk horny teenager and got into a fight with her but later made up with each other via hickeys and weren't able to go all the way by getting interrupted by the guys sent to search for us.100% believable of a horny drunk teenaged nobleman and thank fuck it wasn't with some random whore/paramour or resulted in a bastard. The worst-case scenario would have been an early wedding. Which doesn't really at all clash with Tywin's plans, besides his annoyance of having to move up the estimated timetable a little.
>>6387516I'm gonna ask that you stop insisting on lovebites now, case has been made and anything more is just feeding into fetishism.We also haven't got the timeline laid out, or a cohesive story beyond "getting to know our betrothed better" or a unified idea of how to explain away the bruises we got.Maybe simplicity is best and we lean on "we wanted to do X, but after the drink it's a little hard to remember what else we did".
Jason ran his fingers through his golden hair, running through plans that manifested from his mind. He was not as smart as Tyrion, and nowhere near as clever Cersei thought she was, but that did not mean he was a simpleton. He was a highly educated noble scion, whose brother had helped in his education to survive his father’s expectations. He was average, but that still placed him higher than many lords and their sons. “...Lady Asha, you have yet to be equipped with a proper staff, correct?”Asha looked away from her duties as lookout to you, raising a brow “What are you talking about? I’ve barely been given a breath let alone a staff to command.” She said, her annoyance plain.“Well as the Betrothed of the Heir to the Rock, and a lady of noble birth, of one of the great houses of Westeros, that simply will not do. We will have to get you a chauffeur, perhaps an attendant,” you cast a knowing glance to Tyrion who was already understanding and improving your plan “A Ladies in waiting or maid perhaps?”The dwarf’s mismatched eyes lit up, and he was already taking your plan and improving upon it, finding flaws to smooth out, ways to obfuscate all the little details, before nodding “That just might work,” he said, before walking to Tysha and gently taking her hands in his “Tysha, I do not want to put you in danger, and I do not want to be without you. As a maid, you would live amongst nobility, and while you would have duties, you would remain close to me, and enjoy the benefits of such a life. However, I understand if you would rather have your freedom, your ability to come and go. So tell me, is this plan alright with you?”Tysha smiled down at Tyrion, leaning down and placing a gentle kiss on his forehead, tender and a benediction before she spoke “Tyrion, if it keeps us together, I’ll endure what I must. And one day perhaps, when the world is kinder, when we are away from your father’s gaze, we may perhaps…?”Tyrion nodded, taking Tysha’s hands in his own and pressing his forehead to her lowered one, the sight of the Peasant girl crouching to her knees to share the touch with Tyrion making you smile “Of course, oh of course Tysha. Were I able, we would marry tonight and find our lives elsewhere. But for now, know that my Brother who loves me will one day inherit, and that has made it plain that he shall attend our wedding.”(Cont)
>>6387525You smiled, looking to Asha and questioning if she was fine with this with a brief exchange of expressions, getting her annoyed nod. “It shall be my honor to one day call Tysha a sister, certainly it will be an improvement over the current one.”(+1 disposition to Asha, 6/20)The plan was settled, and Tyrion told Tysha to prepare herself and they would send for her. Then Asha held up her hand, readying her knife, before surging out before either you or Tyrion could warn her.Her wrist was grabbed by a mailed fist, connected to a massive man, connected to a ruined face that dripped with annoyance and barely contained anger at the world. Asha quickly sent a fist at Sandor Clegane’s face, only for his mailed fist to slam into her stomach so hard she lifted in the air, her eyes going wide and spittle flying from her mouth before she went limp in his grasp. His gaze passed over the two Lannisters and the peasant girl, your heart pounding as it became cold, the presence of one of your father’s personal knights, having been so close.“S-sandor, I-” You shrugged off the fear, this was no time to be weak. Men did not listen to weak timid men, and your betrothed would abide one even less. You stood straight “Clegane, release Lady Asha at once, you have done enough.” You said, emulating your father’s tone as best as you could as you stepped forward, Clegane hesitating only a second to lock eyes with you before he dropped Asha with casual disregard, catching her in your arms. She was still conscious, but she was struggling to right herself and likely her diaphragm. Tyrion stood between Sandor and Tysha, pulling out a dirk and seeming ready to die, Tysha frozen stiff at the sight of the terrifying Hound of Lannister. Sandor looked at the collection of younger people, the terrifying knight of one and nine and yet having killed more men than either Tyrion or yourself. Still, you stood tall too, standing with your brother “How much did you hear?” Tyrion said, fear making him voice obvious questions.Sandor had an intelligence in his eyes that many missed, eyes drawn to his burns more often than not, and it was clear he had heard everything and understood everything. A rising growl came out of the young knight, a hand resting on his sword “You mean how much of your damned prattling did I hear? Enough to know I don’t fucking care.” he said, moving forward with strength and ease grabbed the collars of both you, Asha, and Tyrion and began to drag all three of you bodily, Sandor kicking Asha’s dagger away and violenting shaking Tyrion until he dropped his dirk.(Cont)
>>6387527Before he left, he placed a withering gaze on Tysha and with a cruel growl said “Fuck off Lass, you won’t be getting any of the dwarf’s coin today. Try your luck with the next idiot boy,” he said, before he whisked you all away. Tysha watched you all go, worry on her face but knowing she could not follow.-The Old Lion towered over you all, his gaze withering and his displeasure a mask for his rage as Sandow Clegane stood at the ready nearby. “Well done Clegane, where did you find them?” he said, his gaze briefly going back to his documents. You felt a sting in your heart even as you were used to this ploy, you were not important enough for his full attention, not to the Lord of Lannister. You knew the trick, how it was meant to make you feel small and give Tywin control by him defining the importance of the matter, yet all the same you fell into it, years in your father’s shadow doing much.“Drinking in a back water tavern, some damned place with a dancing bear or some shite.” Clegane said, his crassness not making your father flinch who was already used to it. Tywin did not immediately reply, signing off some letter or moving some document in its proper place before looking up “Well, come on then. Say something clever, give me whatever excuse or blithe fabrication you’ve conjured up to justify you wasting family gold on a place barely above a gutter.” Neither you or Tyrion spoke up, the atmosphere telling you that speaking would have been the worst thing to do.“The King himself asked where you were Jason, for whatever reason he had to care, and with that everyone saw my Heir had found something more important than the Tourney in the king’s honor that required his attention. And from the witnesses I’ve found, that was going from every wine sink and backwater pub across Lannisport, ultimately ending up at the same one this one decided to bless with my gold.” Tywin said, pointing first at you, then to Tyrion. He then pointed to Asha and you as his gaze seemed to peel everything away “Care to explain why you and your Betrothed share bruises and scrapes, why I heard that my SON,” his voice suddenly rose to thunder, you and Tyrion shrinking away and even Asha shifting even as she kept her glare at Tywin “struck woman he was to marry, and started a brawl?!”He was fuming now, his control slipping now as he dropped his full attention on you, and it was suffocating. (Cont)
>>6387528How do you respond?>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.>Blame Asha for dragging you away from the Tourney, with you seeking out Tyrion for a familiar face and knowing he would be somewhere welcoming to the Lannister presence. Claim the brawl was born of an argument that went to far.>Stand tall and say, in clear terms, that the Tourney bored you and Asha, so once you were free of it you brought her with you to do anything else. Claim that you started the fight, and that you found getting beaten in a brawl more stimulating than Tywin’s mummer’s play for respect.>other
>>6387529>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.I don't think she'll be much offended by this, would she? She seems smart enough to realize Tywin is a creepy moffo.
>>6387529>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.That last option is tempting. But Jason needs his ass to sit a horse, can't have daddy belting it off
>>6387528>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.Time to admit to being a horny ass teenager and hope Asha will roll with it.
>>6387529>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.>Blame Asha for dragging you away from the Tourney, with you seeking out Tyrion for a familiar face and knowing he would be somewhere welcoming to the Lannister presence. Claim the brawl was born of an argument that went to far.Mix these together. Asha convinced us to sneak out of the tent to go and have some real fun, and we, foolishly, agreed. We decided to see Tyrion, got drunk, and we and Asha said things that made us start throwing punches. We CANNOT put all of the blame on Asha, we were ENTIRELY within our right mind and were just being stupid.
>>6387527>Asha quickly sent a fist at Sandor Clegane’s face, only for his mailed fist to slam into her stomach so hard she lifted in the air, her eyes going wide and spittle flying from her mouth before she went limp in his grasp.Idunno why it didn't occur to me sooner but Sandor should ALSO be in our retinue to teach Asha how to fight. Kinda like his dynamic with Arya, just closer in age.
>>6387536Blaming Asha is a cowards move. Be a man and tell us we got drunk and got into a brawl with our wife because that's what an Ironborn's gotta do to get laid.
>>6387529>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.I think this will do, he already knows we started the fight, and again, just no way out of getting shit-stomped for this one, but that's an inevitability in this household. Would love to pick option three but we'll wait until we have more weight to throw around. I hope Asha rubs off on us and we eventually just bump Tywin off to speed up the transition to Patriarch. We could design a 'retirement home' dungeon for him on the islands...
>>6387539The whole idea to sneak out was Asha's; OUR fuck up was agreeing. We both screwed up, and pretending otherwise is stupid, plus, I very much doubt Asha would appreciate us trying to cover for her. She's not some greenlander princess in need of protecting, after all.
>>6387537We'll gain Sandor's loyalty when we trade Mountain's head to Obyrn to help make peace with the Martells. As Sandor is definitely gonna wanna be a part of that scheme. Personally I dread what will happen when Asha and Arya meet. Asha will discover the first girl she wants as a daughter in law and Arya will find her first role model. Oh boy, the trouble those two will cause together...>>6387536Take responsibility and don't blame a woman for it. DON'T BRING UP TYRION! We need to keep Tywin focused on us and overlooking our brother.
>>6387540Our best bet is to just tough it out until he goes to Kings Landing to become The Hand.
>>6387529>Prelude to a dalliance.The last option is tempting, In the same way touching fire is tempting.
>>6387542>DON'T BRING UP TYRION!Mother fucker Tywin already knows we were hanging out with Tyrion! Sandor overheard enough and Tywin's not a giant fucking retard, he already KNOWS we've been spending time with our brother all day!
>>6387542>when we trade Mountain's headEh, I don't wanna wait that long though? I'd like to take him on as a bodyguard when we tell Tywin that we wanna take Tyrion and the wife (and her maid!) on a sabbatical to visit the different kingdoms and put some hair on our chest. We could bro with him and when we realize he hates Gregor, we can help him get his revenge and ship the corpse to Dorne after. Does that sound like a plan to you?
>>6387548If Tywin gets over his rage at us long enough to question Sandor due to how much he hates his other son, Tyrion is fucked. Right now, Sandor purposefully let Tysha go and glossed over it to Tywin, which is why Tywin is only raging at us right now. Sandor is already trying to cover for us the best he can but he won't be able to outright lie to his liege if he's properly questioned. So let Tywin overlook Tyrion and focus on raging at us. Don't throw away what Sandor gave us.
>>6387550Anon, I'm putting my hand on your should and speaking very slowly when I say this, but literally just saying "I decided I wanted to go have a drink with my brother (whom Tywin KNOWS we're very close with) and things got out of hand" isn't going to cause Tywin to chimp out at Tyrion any more than he already is.
>>6387549The best we can get is Gregor as a bodyguard because Mountain is Tywin's #1 enforcer. We cannot borrow the mountain for that long despite being heir. We go to Dorne to meet to secretly with Obryn, the only Martell willing to meet us sincerely if we offer to lure out the Mountain for him. Sandor will also pounce on it and look the other way. Providing us a middleman for whatever plan is concocted to take out the Mountain. Once the Mountain is dead, Obryn will vouch for us to the other Martell's and Sandor will be loyal to us. Two birds one stone.If we cut out the Martells from the plot, they are still gonna be angry at us and we would miss the best opportunity possible to open up some diplomatic channels with them. The Martells want personal revenge against the Mountain too.
>>6387553>The best we can get is Gregor as a bodyguard because Mountain is Tywin's #1 enforcer. We cannot borrow the mountain for that long despite being heir.Gregor is the Mountain, though, and I am explicitly saying we should take SANDOR as our bodyguard instead. With Jaime as Kingsguard, Sandor is Tywin's #2 hitter and is eventually set as Joffrey's bodyguard because he is heir to the throne. He hasn't been born yet, and we are a legitimate heir to house Lannister, so there's no reason we shouldn't be able to get dibs on him as our muscle and especially for a world tour like some of us have been discussing?
>>6387549>Father might I take a tour to ingratiate myself and learn the customs of the various kingdoms?>You can read about them.Foiled! kek I'd 100% be down to clown with Sandor though. His manner is so offputting it's almost endearing. The fact he's actually somehow principled despite having nearly no morals is also impressive. Were that he born to a different house he might have been one of the finest of men and warriors. I can also imagine a conversation with him>"Your brother, he scares me, Sandor.">"That's cause you're a pansy.">"It seems reasonable to fear someone who can crush my skull with his bare hands.">"You're a fucking fool for choosing my company then.">"You'd at least want a reason before making my head into a soup bowl.">"Fuck off back to your sea-slut."Funny man that Clegane.
>>6387558Yeah, I suppose he COULD shut us down... But the main plot of the books doesn't kick off for another what 10, maybe 15 years? QM may have other interesting stuff planned, but our honeymoon turning into a world tour is like the PERFECT way to give Asha the room to cultivate her sailing and pirating skills, and bond with Sandor + Tyrion both, let Tyrion and Tysha have all the privacy they need to enjoy each other's company, and build up a retinue handpicked from across the realm so we are ready to inherit our house and survive the multiple civil wars, the Targaryen invasion from Essos, and the Night King invasion from beyond the wall
>>6387529>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.>Blame Asha for dragging you away from the Tourney, with you seeking out Tyrion for a familiar face and knowing he would be somewhere welcoming to the Lannister presence. Claim the brawl was born of an argument that went to far.What can you expect from a savage Ironborn whore?
>>6387555My mistake with the names.so yeah stick with sandor and my point still stands.
>>6387560The night king was just a stark who got some Other strange, used his new ice elf wifey to take over the wall for a few years, then got double teamed by the starks and wildlings and died. The show version was just more stupid shit shat out by Dumb and Dumber
>>6387563It doesn't though? Tywin wouldn't let use take Gregor as a personal bodyguard because Gregor is his #1 henchman and is needed for war crimes. There is already a precedent established of Sandor being a backup henchman and deployed as a bodyguard for children/descendents of Tywin that are in line to inherit status. We are the heir to the Rock and thus will be assigned a bodyguard, and that individual will be among the most capable killers in Tywin's employ, but again, can't be Gregor. Can you explain why we can't arrange for Sandor to be our personal bodyguard?
>>6387565I meant I got the names mixed up so I meant Sandor the Hound as our bodyguard over Gregor the Mountain since Tywin isn't gonna give up his #1 enforcer.
>>6387565To play devil's advocate, Sandor may well be sent to Cersei still because she's gonna be away from home, while Jason is likely going to be stuck for the most part in Lion territory. So he doesn't strictly need the best bodyguard just some decent men in large enough number. Granted this only really comes into play once Joffrey is born. Since he'd still be an important piece on the board even if he isn't the heir apparent to the Lannister name. Of course, who knows what Tywin would rather do. I am not smart enough to suppose at that.
>>6387529>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.Tywin will know that we're lying and keeping shit secret, but hopefully we can use the secret of why the brawl started to bury/mask the secret of Tyrion being in love.If we're lucky, his priority of being pissed off will go: being seen hitting our betrothed in public > being absent when the king asked where we were > being at a shitty low-class tavern > trying to have sex with Asha before marriage > hanging out with Tyrion > Tyrion trying to sleep with a "prostitute"So the lie is that hitting her was part of the sexy time, which is covering up the truth that it was because she badmouthed Tyrion and our Mother, which is covering up the truth that Tyrion tried to get married.I guess the only hole in our story is why tf were we with Tyrion if we supposedly wanted to try and have sex with Asha. Maybe we wanted his advice on how to seduce her? Or we wanted to ask him for a place with good booze that wouldn't ask questions? Sure, we can say that we simply wanted to visit him (the truth), but that truth runs counter to our lie about wanting to have sex with Asha.
>>6387584The best part is even if the King finds out that it's because the Lannister heir was trying to fuck his fiancée, he'll just laugh his ass off about it and approve of his younger brother in law's actions. He won't even be mad. That is assuming he bothers to ask.
>>6387529>Stand tall and say, in clear terms, that the Tourney bored you and Asha, so once you were free of it you brought her with you to do anything else. Claim that you started the fight, and that you found getting beaten in a brawl more stimulating than Tywin’s mummer’s play for respect.I'd bet that Robert would think we're cool if he knew what we were up to. It's the kind of shit he got up to in his youth with ol' Ned.
>>6387498I meant to post this earlier, but iron ships are a thing and did just fine with proper quality control. The Great Eastern being the best example thereof, which was a 30,000 ton behemoth built in 1850something. It was the largest ship in the world by three times and wouldn't be dethroned for fifty years.Far more reasonable is the act of sheathing the bottom in copper to defeat fouling.What we REALLY need is the Bessemer Process, but I doubt we'll figure that out.
>>6387618I think it's more a concern of having iron of proper qualities than iron itself in the current period of time. As in, the iron we have is probably not going to be treated properly and processed correctly to avoid the rust. But I was really vague about it and that was foolish of me. I was still unaware of The Great Eastern. Which is really, really fucking cool. I may not know much about boats, but damn if they aren't awesome. We may be able to get blast furnaces up and running, though. Which is certainly a step in the right direction. Probably better than bloomeries. Well, probably not. I wonder if we could fund the discovery of wootz style steel. It ain't Valyrian, but it's still cool.
>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.I think this is the clear winner after a glance. I’ll start writing.
>>6387584Tywin's obsession with the legacy and 'pride of the Lion' is both a blessing and a curse.
“After Asha and I retired from the Tourney, we did take some time to cool down and take a break from the noise. However,” you said, looking to Asha then sparing a smile before meeting your father’s gaze again with a stern expression “well, we had yet to have time alone together. I felt that, with her majority coming soon and our wedding to follow…” you said, watching you father nod and confirm that was indeed the plan. You could feel Asha’s discomfort and frustration at that idea, but you continued “we should deepen our connection. We agreed that a break from the tourney, a time to spend with each other that wasn’t sitting in a booth, was best. It started simple, and well..”You trailed off, allowing a smile at the memory of the drinks, food, and song you shared with Asha. Though you were stretching the truth, there was still truth to stretch. “We had a bit much to drink, had a bit too much merriment, and it ended in a brawl, though it was meant to prelude…other activities.” You said, catching Asha’s back stiffening and her cheeks growing a shade redder as you avoided your father’s stair.“And did it?” Your father asked neutrally, bluntly, first to you then shifting a glance to the Hound.The hound spoke, his youth buried beneath gruffness earned by hardship “I found the little Lion and the squid fully clothed with the Imp. Seems to me the twin managed to stop the other from doing something stupid. Didn’t stop the dwarf from taking a whore of course, but well.” Sandor said with a shrug, you noticing how his word was completely true yet shifted the narrative to your favor.(Cont)
>>6387686Tywin kept his gaze on Sandor for a few tense minutes, the smaller clegane standing unflinching the whole time. Finally, Tywin sighed a sat down “Tyrion, for once you managed to prevent some amount of shame on this house.” He said, pinching the bridge of his nose. He then leveled a glare on to you “And you, the first time you do something of note and it’s attempting to emulate those Ironborn savages and sully the family name with a bastard. I’m just fortunate enough to have it so any babe you had would be born after your marriage, though keeping such a thing secret may have been impossible.” He said, his attention turning to the papers “You manage to show you have one trait that is not irritatingly mundane, and you choose incompetence to be it.”You knew that you had won, you knew that you had skirted disaster, you knew that on some level you had snuck something past your father. All the same, the words struck deep, struck hard past all logic and certainty. You knew your father treated you as a tool, you knew he would have preferred Jaime over you, you knew all of this. Yet all the same, every time it was confirmed you felt your heart seize, and a pressure behind your eyes form. Once again, a disapointment. Once again, falling short of anything. Once again, a failure by virtue of lacking perfection. You kept quiet, standing tall and consciously controlling every muscle in your face, to not betray the latest hurt your father gifted you, yet all the same you knew he was aware. He did it on purpose, yet the rational part of your mind was drowned out by a simple truth: You were a young man, staring up to a giant, and felt the disappointment in him. Along with the ghost held to your name, to the parent you never got to see. Another mark added to you, another proof that you had not been worth it.“Get out of my sight, all of you. Tomorrow you will attend the Tourney and the feast with the king, and you will suffer through whatever frivolous complaints you may have until it is done with. You will have stricter guards, The Hound amongst them.” He said, looking to Sandor “You are to keep them where they are supposed to be, even if you have to force the issue.” The hound nodded, then Tywin looked to you all “If you embarass me infront of the Realm again, I’ll ensure harsher punishments for Lady Asha, and greater responsibilities on you Jason.” He said, your heart tightening at the idea of Asha suffering.(Cont)
>>6387687You were dismissed, quietly leaving to your tents. Tyrion spared you a glance, before entering his own tent, while you and Asha were forced into your shared one.There was a silence, you staring at a tapestry depicting your houses Sigil. The golden lion, standing proud over you, just like your father, just like the Rock. You felt Asha staring at your back, but you focused forward, staring at the Tapestry as your jaw tightened until your ears began to ring. You held your arms behind your back, nails digging through the doublet’s sleeves, as you stood perfectly still. You sensed Asha take a step forward, then past you to the bed, silently getting undressed and ready to sleep. She spared you glance, one you saw from the corner of your eye, but you did not meet it. The Tapestry had your full attention, ravenous as it was.“Are you…”“I’ll sleep on the Sofa tonight Lady Asha,” you said, voice hard and brittle but still like steel. A steel you had hammered to shape many a time. “I…I will stay awake a little longer, and I would not wish to invade your bed with Obligation as my only excuse.” You said.Asha didn’t reply. There was a pause, then the shuffling of sheets, then the tent dimmed as she snuffed the light out. You were left in the dark, save for the golden reflection of the lion staring down at you. Your sleep did not come soon.(Cont)
>>6387688(Next Major event)>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)>The marriage of Jason Lannister to Asha Greyjoy (1 year timeskip. Formality as this occurs no matter what, but gives you a chance to earn more Disposition with her)>Gerrion Lannister begins his plans to seek Brightroar, the year of 291 (2 year time skip, a chance to interfere with or join the expedition.)>Tywin leaves the Rock to solidify Lannister presence in King’s landing, leaving Jason in control in his stead in 295 (7 year time skip, Tywin seeks to solidify power and trusts Jason to not set the Rock on fire.)>Tywin Sends Jason to take on the position of Master of Stone, a position he has paid considerable effort to get you. Your duties would be to advise the king on matters of construction, both Urban and Rural, roads, castles, and everything else. It’s a minor seat, but it places another Lannister in the council, places you close to power, and will give you time to make connections and hopefully amount to something while Tywin continues to solidify the dynasty through endebting lesser houses, securing marriages, whatever else. (7 year time skip, alternative to Tywin leaving the rock.)>Other?
>>6387690>>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)
>>6387690>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)Let's see ol Uncle Bobby
>>6387690>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)But after that a skip
>>6387690>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)Lets save the timeskip for after we meet the king/Big Bobby G/hopefully maybe Rhaegar.
>>6387690>Feast with the King.I doubt Robert has many fine words for a lanister, but hey
>>6387690>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)BIG BOBBY
>>6387690>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)>>6387698>RhaegarAre we dealing with wights already?
>>6387690>>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)I can see it now>"You like playing with rocks, boy? You touched in the head or just slow?"As well as Cersei doing Cersei things. AKA being a cunt.
>>6387690>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)No time skips so soon
>>6387690>>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)make it happen
Also we should thank Sandor some time. A Lannister always pays their debts and all, right? Maybe get him some furniture better suited for above average stature. Simple but thoughtful. Not something frilly and useless to a man as spartan as he is.
Landslide victory, I’ll get to writing. Feel free to also discuss possible events in the coming years you’d like to see as I am sure collectively you guys know the timeline better than me or my wiki browsing.
>>6387721Us catching the twins could happen or hearing a rumour from somewhere before they can snuff it.
>>6387721Not a canon thing, but I'd like to float some character interactions. Stuff like meeting the other prospective wives that weren't chosen. Making Asha a ship in a bottle or model ship. Carving Tyrion a nutcracker that can also double as a bottle holder. Getting Jaime a little sword on a necklace, with a functioning little scabbard, naturally. Watching Joffrey slip on some stairs and give himself a fat bruise and swollen lip. Etc. Just little throwaway things.
>>6387721Spending some time with our favorite uncle whoever that is... Kevan, I'd guess.Learning about Cersei and Jaime's relationship and figuring out how to react to that shit.Being a good uncle to Cersei's kids when we can, and maybe even younger cousins like Gerion's bastard Joy.Achieving and maintaining a respectable relationship with Sandor. Would rather he be our sworn shield than Joffrey desu.Combining Asha's skill in sailing with ours in architecture to create some novel siege warfare contraption like a naval helepolis, and maybe use it on a place like Riverrun. Dealing with Asha's family and whatever that involves.Somehow getting the Valyrian steel sword from the Ironborn's House Drumm, which presumably was taken from the Reynes.
>>6387746I'd prefer someone more loyal than Sandor, but he is the best choice of those we have. I suppose it was Jeoffry who pushed him to betray, so maybe I am being unfair.
I wouldn't mind seeing Jason also continue to grow his skill in architecture.
>>6387690>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)Draw up plans to expand the number of Toll castles on lannister fiefs and Toll/guard gates in westerland passages to increase revenue and present them to Tywin.
>>6387738>Making Asha a ship in a bottle or model shipThis is a very cute idea
>>6387721I would like to hit the tournies as an excuse to travel Westeros and meeting various characters while building our own retinue. Do that before we get stuck on a boat with Asha. Pretty sure some important ones happen, like with the one with Obryn crippling that other powerful Reach noble by accident. Asha's reaction to her father's gift of crew, retinue, and raiding ship.Also develop additional skills, starting with architecture, such as siegecraft and defensive warfare.>>6387738I love the ship in a bottle or model for Asha.>>6387746I like these too. Would be nice to react with other Lannisters.
>>6387719Yeah wasn't expected to see him do more than just not narc, but actually lend a real hand. I think he has a sympathy for Tyrion because of his disfigurement that he won't admit, and probably loses as they become adults and Tyrion becomes more of a smarmy cad. Sparing him this huge heartbreak, I expect he'll keep the wit but lose the lust and alcoholism! >>6387738I LOVE the idea of a model ship in a bottle for Asha....>>6387746>>6387760I think we have every reason to push for him as our bodyguard, especially since it seems he's now been assigned to chaperone us more. As far as loyalty goes, I think we could do way worse. He kills an innocent child on the orders of Joffrey and Cersei, and only abandons his post due to Joffrey 1) abandoning HIM and his army at a pivotal battle 2) being a crazy evil psycho. If he ends up hanging with a chill Lannister (to say nothing of our swashbuckling bro wife) I think he might even end up liking his job, and maybe the honorable side of him will get to breathe and grow. >>6387783I think this feast is the perfect place to pitch the World Tour(tm). We should present the idea as a honeymoon plan when Robert inevitably asks about the wedding, and look expectantly to Tywin. In private, he might still acknowledge the value of the idea and even appreciate the initiative. But if we sit in front of the king and his entourage and suggest we want to travel his kingdoms, learn about our peers, and better develop our skills with foreign tutors for a time so we best can serve him when we come into our house? Rob will obviously love the idea of a Lannister that wants some adventure and variety, and it would make Tywin look both unambitious and unwise to shut us down in front of the others. At least part of the journey will require sailing too, so we could buy her a starter ship, and maybe our wedding present to her are blueprints for a proper galleon or something?
Asha opened her eyes, letting out a groan as she excavated herself from the sheets and softness of the feather mattress given to her, luxuries that no Ironborn would revel in or bother with but were expected for any woman of her station. She had to admit the sleep was comfortable, for a time at least. She missed the smell of salt, the shake of the sea, the feeling of freedom in all directions around her. Instead, she made due with the lion cage around her, and the single door that was left a crack open.Asha rose from the bed, her hair a mess and no grace in her as she flopped out of bed and shuffled across the room to have a morning cup of wine, her pallet already becoming reshaped to appreciate the southerner blends. She crossed the tent space with a singular purpose, passing the Sofa and only stopping when she saw it was empty. Her brain registered the missing Lion, more aknowledgment than she thought he really deserved, but she moved on and turned. Either she had been asleep or he had just blended perfectly into the wall, Asha jumped when she saw Jason near the wine, chiseling and whittling small blocks of…wood? Into various shapes. Infront of him was a small model, that Asha determined when she got closer was the Lannisport’s port, along with his finished defenses. Asha saw that he had listened to her words, the walls smooth and bent inwards, allowing no easy means of climbing them, yet plenty of murder holes to defend from. There were two towers at the mouth of the bay, between which was a chain that block access. And along the coast was the beginning of a wall, lined with towers that had clear lines of fire on every single other tower.Jason looked up as he placed the top of a tower on the model, smiling with bags under his eyes “Good Morning Lady Asha, I hope the bed was to your liking.” He said, not looking up from his model as he began to carve a new piece.(Cont)
>>6387790“It’s a little like drowning in fabric, how can anyone do that, especially in this heat?” Asha said, slumping into the chair opposite of Jason, making his tools and materials shake, but not the model which stood firm and solid. Asha raised a brow at it, reaching out and poking at the largest tower that stood at the end of the tail of land that sprang from the coast, representing the same that Jason had constructed “I thought I told you having a light house here wouldn’t help you,”“You did,” Jason said, topping off another tower. “But that was when it was alone. There are numerous cliffs and large hills that look over the sea, both up and down the coast. Placing cheap look outs along those areas would be simple, with each one having a fire lit. Should they see Iron Born longships, they simply have to cover the fire or douse it, and that will send a signal to the one south and north of it. They’ll douse their flame, and so on. This final tower will have its own flame, and its purpose will be to stare out into the open sea.” Jason said, tapping on the largest tower. “Should Iron born be seen approaching the port, the light house will send its signal. No matter where the Ironborn strike, no matter what they do, the entirety of the Westerlands will know.”Jason looked pleased with himself, picking up an oddly shaped piece that didn’t look like anything in Lannisport “That all fine and dandy, but just cause you know a town is getting raided doesn’t help much, the Ironborn will just melt back into the sea once they’ve gotten what they came for.” Asha said, seeing the whole thing as a solution to a problem no one cared about.“Once they’ve gotten it, which takes time. If they’re spotted before their target, all of the Westerlands will be ready for them. And if they strike a target, the knights will come.” He said, placing the small piece a distance from Lannisport “With the amount of tourneys increasing under king Robert, we have more and more Hedge Knights and wannabe knights popping up. Most lords would simply let them be and move on, however if there is one thing I know is that any hedge knight would give anything for a small plot of land and some farms to command. So, I have key forts placed that, when Ironborn attack, or bandits, or a rival house, knights loyal first to the Lannisters will ride out and fulfill their oaths. They may not be able to defeat the attackers, but they can bloody them, make the price to high.” Jason looked to Asha “How much is a man willing to pay for a salt wife? For a few goats? A speck of gold?” He said with a smile,(Cont)
>>6387790Asha looked at the plan, and felt her stomach clench. She wouldn’t bother with it. The pay off was too low for the risk, and a single mistake would make the entire coast to guarded to strike without warning, that left attacking major ports, and that meant more men, splitting the loot, longer fighting, and the same problem occurs. Asha leaned back and considered her options, then came to the conclusion that it would be better to raid the reach or north, rather than deal with system. Oh, it could not stop every raid, and there would always be Ironborn willing to take the challenge, but for Asha she just could not justify it when there were better, easier target. She looked up, and saw Jason’s smug face. She frowned and hid her annoyance in her wine.“Well Lady Asha, your opinion?”“Seems expensive,” she said, her only rebuttal to it.Jason shrugged in an irritating manner, in a way that hinted at earned muscle and shook his golden hair “I’m a Lannister, I live on a mountain of gold. Plus, I’m sure it’ll be cheaper than you think. The Small folk are rather industrious when it comes to their own self interest.” He said, before standing up and sighing “In any case, best you prepare for the day My Lady, we have a Tourney to watch, then a feast to partake.” He said, going over to the dresser and searching for clothing, before looking at Asha and visibly deflating “and…your cheek. Seems I got you good”, he said, taking off his shirt to reveal the numerous bruises he had from Asha.The reaver smiled as she found some make up, looking up and down the muscle and form of her Betrothed “Oh no worry, I made sure you paid for every one.” (Will continue with next scene, feel free to post in the mean times)
As I was going to say....>>6387788We should not bother Tywin with any requests while he is extra angry. We should just stay here in the rock, learning our stuff and have our wedding soon enough. If you wanna leave, maybe we'll be allowed to join Gerion in his expedition.
>>6387788I was thinking of breaking it up into two parts because I wanna make sure we give Asha a proper flagship the very best money can buy, as a gift. First overland throughout Westeros to gain connections, practice our skills, and make Asha a suit of platemail as a disguise so she beat people up in tournies in disguise. This should also smooth out her edges and give Tyrion a vacation as well as the opportunity to also build his own connections and retinue that was always denied by Tywin.The second part we travel the world on a ship, probably Asha's and get dragged along with whatever adventures she is after while traveling. Probably with accompanying our uncle Gerrion as an excuse. We can even pretend not to join up with them at first if Tywin disapproves, only to show up later on Asha's ship. The perfect excuse and start to our foreign escapades.
>>6387794LMAO.By the lord Jason, this is just too fucking much. It's one thing to fail to realize how hard Asha is flirting with you previously on account that you don't know about Ironborn customs. So fair enough you missed that but this?She has openly undressed twice before you. She has openly checked you out brazenly with every opportunity that presents itself. She LITERALLY and IMMEDIATELY invited you to her bed personally and blatantly just after you admitted to your father that you were trying to fuck her. Even fucking Tywin gave up on trying to stop it, so he decided to look the other way.While twice now she has revealed war knowledge and strong fighting ability that even a tomboy lady shouldn't possess. Just now, she didn't even mind your nerdy ass hobby of building blocks and instead approved of it.When Tyrion hears about this, he is rightfully giving you SO much fucking shit. You 110% deserve it. Previously, I was honestly reconsidering Asha as the best wife but uh given how fucking dense Jason is...she is clearly the only one who can handle him. This time around her domineering nature clearly isn't just because of commanding reavers but also clearly due to how her nerdy prettyboy husband is denser than fucking lead.Also I'm starting to feel sorry for Asha at this point. Her husband while her exact type...clearly is gonna make her work very hard to finally get laid. I also feel for Tyrion for having to deal with his thick brother all these years. That couldn't have been easy. Like damn cannot even blame the reavers for how domineering she is gonna be...at this point what choice does she have? She has done everything possible to seduce you. I don't even blame her at this point anymore. I thought the MC would be a bit...less dense. Normal yeah not noticing all the clues yeah but uh...a match made in heaven, I guess? She is clearly perfect for you...
>>6387815I told y'all niggers to use force but nooooooo
At first I was surprised a new quest, for some reason, got 400 replies just for a few days being up, then I saw the autistic fights and discussions, paired with the lore and I got hooked, I wanna see me boy Jason follow Asha to turn into the Reaver Queen. A shame we didn't go with Jason the bard, because we could've put out some banger likeYou wanna be a boss, you gotta pay the Iron Price! (facts)Left wrist on frost, look like a bag of ice (bling)I'm sailin' the Iron Fleet, like I don't love my life (skrrt)
>>6387815My dude Jason clearly has some form of Tism, is quite shy, is quite oblivious to woman and /or not used to women being forward. A lot of of dudes including me have had moments were our brain shortcircuited and completely didn't take advantage of some blatanlty obvious hints.
>>6387824At this point, I'm pretty sure Asha is gonna have to resort to force if she ever wants to get laid. The poor girl cannot get any more obvious about it if she tried.To be fair Jason did resort to violence to prove a point and that he had a spine. Its just uh...honestly I don't have any excuses for how Jason can be that impossibly dense when it comes to women but I entirely believe he is a virgin despite Tyrion as his twin. Certainly not from a lack of trying from Asha while being nice and submissive about it.>>6387844Even a whore would struggle to be as blunt as Asha is about getting laid. At this point its obvious that Asha is gonna have to force the issue to sire a heir while Tyrion stops breathing from laughing.
This just raises the question how the fuck Tywin even bought the lie about nooky, Jason should be dense enough that it's obvious that couldn't be the case.
>>6387849Low expectations
>>6387849In this case, I suppose Tywin bought the lie because Jason said that he was the one who initiated.Jason being dense is only a hurdle when the girl is the one who does the flirting.
>>6387815>This time around her domineering nature clearly isn't just because of commanding reavers but also clearly due to how her nerdy prettyboy husband is denser than fucking lead.See >>6386939
>>6387849He isn't half as clever as he thinks he is.
>>6387865I think he is close to as clever as he thinks, but his narcissism makes it so he lies to himself about a lot - ESPECIALLY his family. He'll buy obvious bullshit about his kids if it ultimately soothes his severe anxiety disorder.
Tyrion believed us because the lie fits his low expectations>Jason is an incompetent idiot>Tyrion is a bastard but clever >Asha is a dumb barbarianAccepting this let's him just call us a retard and move on. Nothing too bad.
>>6387815Its honestly not that strange if you think on it. Tywin doesn't bother to personally involve himself with educating its own kids, especially if they don't reach what he thinks are standards first (lessons on life like women are probably something Tywin expected his kids to learn on their own). Jason never squired and never knighted, which is pretty much not just becoming a great and useful military unit, its also the social male noble introduction in to life in Andal Westeros (and depending on the knight that trains you it can include going whoring or flirts with ladies). And for what Jason mostly did he got tutored/educated partially by a maester, and in part by Kevan, while focusing on learning westerosi architecture beyond what most learn.
>>6387878Hell Jason doesn't even have friends. Now if he was a bit of a rogue like Tyrion ? This wouldn't be an issue, he would understand girls just fine. But he isn't, he is more reserved. Combine that with the education he received and not getting squired/knighted ...... no wonder the Heir of the Westernlands doesn't get what Asha is up to lol. Jason will get there eventually.>>6387721I would like to see done some architectural projects of a certain caliber at some point. Preferably in the Westernlands, things like an improved and expanded road network (gold roads?), an aqueduct or perhaps public baths. Could be also military buildings. I wouldn't mind to also build across Westeros or just the Crownlands, if that Master of Stone position will be made in the future (though Tywin intends to have it for ensure Lannister supremacy on Westeros). Of course first we need to have Jason learn more about architecture.
I KNEW Jason was autistic
>>6387941it's just therapeutic wood carving, the tism is only evidenced in how stable the carvings were
>>6387941>tfw Tyrion starts framing Jason's various duties and educations in Special Interest terms as a joke and Jason suddenly starts to excel in those things too>Tywin is somewhat pleased but extremely fucking pissed off at the same time now that his son is doing at least 10% better at everything with no input from himself>Asha starts dirty talking and flirting while referring to herself as a castleYou just gotta speak his language and it'll all click, trust.
>>6387955"Oh, why don't you take out your battering ram and breach my gate~?""And spoil such a marvel? I'm glad you're getting into being the lady of The Rock, but if we want to test a new siege engine we really ought to properly set up a testing rig..." *scurries off to make plans*"DAMNIT!"
>>6387955>You gotta breach my Castle Jason with your Long. Thick. Ram. And ravage my walls>Well that's just a poor expenditure of men and resources, Trebuchets and sappers would do the work for half the cost of such an assault.>You dense motherfucker
>>6387960>>6387967Eventually Tyrion is going to ask why Asha doesn't just hit Jason with a chair and tie him to the bed instead of trying to get at his family scepter with words and her response will be "Because that's admitting defeat".
I kinda hope we can be Tism buddies with Victarion
>>6387977>The weakest Greenland's of todayVs>The most retarded Ironborn in history
>>6387977I have a feeling he wouldn't much like Jason. Being that Jason isn't a great warrior and he has a different religion. Come to think of it, none of Jason's in-laws are probably gonna like him. Ouch.
>>6387794The Tourney was exactly what you and Asha had expected, a series of crashing lances and ringing blades on repeat. Most were not worth notice. For you, it was three things that prevented you from caring for the tourney like everyone else. First, there was the social component of the event where nobility would mingle and enjoy each others company while watching the jousts of melee, a component denied to you as you sat in a separate booth with your betrothed due to your station as well as many having no care for including an Ironborn in their conversation at an event celebrating their defeat. You also did not care for most of the performance of noble conversations.Second, there was the disinterest you held in the sport fostered half by your passion lying elsewhere, and half by your late Uncle Tygett. He was always a hard man, and one of the few who would stand up to and against Your father and uncle Kevin. He found Jousts to be a part of knighthood that were entirely performative, rife with knights jockeying for position and glory in false combat. While he participated, it was due to it being expected of a knight. It was something to endure, something expected to fill the void between when a knight’s blade was truly needed. Uncle Tygett had died before you could earn your Spurs, having been his squire. He had been a rough teacher, but he had never been a cruel one. He had never expected you to be anything but yourself, he had never pushed you to be a second Jaime or some great talent. When the pox stole him away, you had mourned with Aunt Genna and Tyrion. After that, your father never gave you to another knight to complete your knighthood, claiming he could not find a knight worthy of his Heir but you believed it was because you were an older squire and of such mundane talent he did not want you to be shown off to the realm.And finally, there was the third reason that Tourney’s failed to interest you, and that was your elder brother. Jaime Lannister was one of the greatest knights of the Seven Kingdoms, a Kingsguard that you looked up to as a hero, despite what was said about him. He clashed with knights in such a way as to make any lesser bout boring in comparison, and when he took the field you could not help but let your younger self out, cheering for your big brother from the stands like when you were small.When Jaime took to the field, you made Asha jump when you stood and clapped and cheered, shedding the quiet and mild mannered Jason to show your love for your brother, your joy at his skill at arms. His opponent was a Northman, recently knighted and marked as one of the heroes of the Greyjoy Rebellion Lord Jorah Mormont of Bear Island. Upon his breast was the favor of a noblewoman, white with a splash of red made you suspect Hightower. He was definitely older than many in the tourney, and he was certainly older than your brother, yet he had performed remarkably in the tourney.(Cont)
>>6388005What followed was a joust that would go down in legend, one that roused your passion as you saw your brother pushed hard, and one that had even Asha cheering for blood as the building excitement of the crowd proved infectious. After nine lances with no clear victor, the entirety of the attending realm were worked up into a fever pitch. It came down to the warrior king, Robert I Baratheon to decide the victor. He looked over them both, considering the performances of the two knights, but to your slight dismay Jorah was given the victory. Still, you cheered for the knight along with the west of Lannisport, the face of the knight lighting up as the world cheered his name, which only grew as he declared Lynesse Hightower as the Queen of Love and Beauty. You were shocked to see a man his age offer such a thing to a girl of her age, which was perhaps a year higher than yours. You hoped that the man’s pursuit would not end in disaster, but for now with the climatic end of the Tourney you had a feast to attend.Where were you seated?>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's.>With the Highlords rather than the Royal family, Close to Lord Eddard Stark, Jon Arryn, the Elderly Hoster Tully, with Lord Tyrell and his mother Olenna Redwyne and Renly also there, the Martells having chosen not to attend and Baelon Greyjoy not invited.>Closer to the other Lords of Westeros, such as Jorah Mormont, Randyll Tarley, And Lord Leyton Hightower, who tower was close to the Citadel.>With your family, Tyrion, Jamie, Aunt Genna and her husband, Uncle Gerion, their families, and of course Uncle Tygett’s family, Lady Darless Marbrand and the 3 year old Tyrek Lannister.>other
>>6388007>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's.
>>6388007>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's.....man I want to work on lego
>>6388007>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's.How old is Joffrey by this point in the story?
>>6388011I think he's like 3 or some shit
>>6388007>The kings family
>>6388012Correct
>>6388007>>With the Highlords rather than the Royal family, Close to Lord Eddard Stark, Jon Arryn, the Elderly Hoster Tully, with Lord Tyrell and his mother Olenna Redwyne and Renly also there, the Martells having chosen not to attend and Baelon Greyjoy not invited.Hey guys, what a nice time, I sure hope the future remains so bright and happy for the North. I think Jason would kind of appreciate Sandor's opinion on knighthood, now. Knights are for fights, not parades VS knights are poncy cunts who play pretend with chivalry anyway.
>>6388007>>With your family, Tyrion, Jamie, Aunt Genna and her husband, Uncle Gerion, their families, and of course Uncle Tygett’s family, Lady Darless Marbrand and the 3 year old Tyrek Lannister.
>>6388007>>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's
>>6388007>With the Highlords rather than the Royal family, Close to Lord Eddard Stark, Jon Arryn, the Elderly Hoster Tully, with Lord Tyrell and his mother Olenna Redwyne and Renly also there, the Martells having chosen not to attend and Baelon Greyjoy not invited.Get to know some of the old Lion's peers and rivals. And Renly, I guess.
Gonna post some Jason pictures I generated and see what people like
>>6388053I like the art style of this one, and it looks as young as the previous.
>>6388053I get what you want to do QM, and I don't personally have much issues, but most people on this site don't line AI generation.
>>6388055Slightly older looking
>>6388056Ah, fair. I can stop then. Wouldn’t want to summon a shit storm.
>>6388058I mean I don't really care. AI definitely wouldn't be my first choice for finding a representation of someone for a GoT quest though. Always comes out too smooth and not grungy enough. And asking for a "plain looking blonde guy" will probably want to give up something that isn't actually average and plain looking anyway.
>>6388058LapotaFour, Jota Saraiva, BellaBergolts and Cougargore do great asoiaf art, perhaps there is a lannister that they have done that you think matches?
>>6388007>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's.Impress the king by being the one Lannister who is bearable to be around. Even better if we admit to why we ditched yesterday because we tried and failed to fuck our fiancee. He'll love that.>>6387955Tyrion never figured it out. Asha did accidentally when she challenged Jason's hobby and accidentally discovered he is also a defense master that completely countered the ironborn in under a single night, which distracted her from getting pissed at failing so hard at seducing her fiancé, who supposedly wanted to fuck her, would rather sleep on the couch and play with blocks than fuck her. So much so, she gave up entirely on raiding the Westerlands. That was a nice accidental save from Jason.Asha is also the one most likely to realize that Jason isn't weak or stupid. He just wasn't trained properly to fight in the right way. If the autism and tard rage are true. The best weapons for him would be axes and hammers. Not swords and lances. Training/teaching Jason is all a matter of reframing from his autistic obsession. Asha already fears and respects his defensive works but nobody else does yet because it never occurred to them that channeling his love of architecture into defensive engineering turns him into a defense master. Asha accidentally did and realized it.>>6387974That will be true before the wedding. Waiting until the wedding means Tywin wins and there is no way she is gonna accept that. So she has months of time to try and given what recently happened. Needs to check if 1 Jason is gay and 2 if dominance is required, given how she tried absolutely everything else to get him into bed with her but that ain't working for shit. So next is the assertive angle to confirm if he is in fact gay or not.Tyrion and her though are gonna have a very interesting talk. Personally, I'm looking forward to her reaction to the idea of Jason somehow cheating on her or how easy it is for other ladies to bed their husbands. Can't say the girl isn't trying her absolute hardest to get laid.
>>6388086As much as we joke, I don't think Jason is actually autistic or tarded. He's just got middle-child syndrome. Despite being the youngest child. Also, Asha never flirted with him. I checked. I didn't see anything flirty. Ogled him, sure, but nothing else.>someone accuses jason of cheating>"Oh did he finally meet a woman that could lift Bran's Wall then? Take your gossip and shove it."
>>6388058I like the look of this for Jason, at least when he gets a bit older. Looks very Lannister to me. With green eyes of course, unless Jason has heterochromia like Tyrion.
>>6388126I kinda imagined him as more schlubby the man is no warrior.
>>6388134That's what the portrait on the wall looks like; everyone knows they exaggerate them a bit to make the person look better!
>>6388139Ahh yes....Portraitshop
>>6388007>>With the Highlords rather than the Royal family, Close to Lord Eddard Stark, Jon Arryn, the Elderly Hoster Tully, with Lord Tyrell and his mother Olenna Redwyne and Renly also there, the Martells having chosen not to attend and Baelon Greyjoy not invited.
>>6388134I'm referring to how his face looks and having long hair, I assume he'd be a bit thinner.
>>6388134Jason is still in decent shape, though. And likely will continue to be if he keeps up his exercise and practice routines. Which he probably will because habits are hard to break when built so young. The stress of his father's expectations might also play a part in how his facial profile is, having a clenched jaw all the time, having sad, thoughtful expressions all the time, lack of sleep, etc.. Jason is unremarkable, not bad. He's just unfortunately surrounded by people who are prettier, smarter, and more talented.Then again, he could just wind up looking like Tywin, cause, son.
>>6388058personally, i was picturing something like the twink/young version of anduin wrynn (but with green eyes instead of blue obviously)
Looks like head table with the king wins, writing
>>6388007>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's.After the debacle yesterday, we ought to try and repair our rapport with the King. In setting, we can ask Tywin about Robbert in order to show that we intend to try and fix the mess we made.Ooc, we know that Bobby B would probably laugh and pat us on the shoulder for trying to sneak off so we could drink and fool around with our betrothed. However, we also know that he isn't super fond of Lannisters, and that he doesn't take shit from anyone. So if Robert makes fun of us, we shouldn't throw a comeback joke, instead Jason ought to say something funny or endearing. Wait... oh fuck, we'll also probably be sitting near Stannis the Mannis. I have no idea how we should act near him. He would probably be very judgemental of Jason hitting his soon-to-be wife.>>6388055This one looks the best of the three imo>>6388056>>6388058Personally, I like AI generated stuff
>>6388156I could see that. I also found two non AI pictures
>>6388197Stannis can suck our mannis. Somehow he is the most and least likely to get along with us were we not 1) a Lannister and 2) in the wrong age bracket for hanging out.
>>6388198I found this piece someone made of what they thought a younger Tywin could look like. Would be fitting I suppose. Thoughts?
>>6388232Looks kinda like Leon keneddy and Patches had a lovechild.>>6388198I prefer this one, but if you wanna lean into "nice but not beautiful" Leon Patches is the route to go
>>6388236To be honest I feel this one feels more like young Tywin than the others, and I like the idea of Tyrion being the most like Tywin mentally and us having Tywin’s look.Post update: Having some issues figuring the scene out but I’m chewing on it now.
>>6388198Sorry I meant to link this one in the above post
>>6388007>With your family, Tyrion, Jamie, Aunt Genna and her husband, Uncle Gerion, their families, and of course Uncle Tygett’s family, Lady Darless Marbrand and the 3 year old Tyrek Lannister.
>>6388198I like this one.
>>6388240>Post update: Having some issues figuring the scene out but I’m chewing on it now.I imagine Cersei is going to be a bitch to us and Robert is gonna ask us why we're being a doormat.
>>6388240Cersei tries to bait us out with what happened yesterday by being a bitch. Instead it backfires because we'll admit the 'truth' to Robert, who finds it fucking hilarious, as it would be something he would do himself, so he is perfectly okay with it. This only serves to further incense Cersei of Robert being both forgiving and even approving of it. Much to her rage.Stannis would disaprove at first until he realizes Asha is a barbaric Ironborn bitch who refuses to behave like a lady. So getting hit back is understandable but would still look down on not waiting a bit. Renly would find it amusing and scandalous gossip so his two favorite things but will likely play dumb instead preferring to watch the show. Robert would be pleasantly surprised there is a Lannister he can actually tolerate.Jaimes will watch, fails to calm Cersei down, and pray that it ends soon. Tywin will be relieved that Robert is being Robert and is okay with the heir's behavior.
>>6388496>Tywin will be relieved that Robert is being Robert and is okay with the heir's behavior.I think you're forgetting that this is Tywin we're talking about.Even if Robert laughs about it, the situation itself is still going to be a long-running rumor about how Jason beats his wife. The king might not care, but everyone else will have heard about it without knowing the (supposed) context of Asha.Also, in regards to Stannis; Asha might actually behave herself since she'll be in front of the king himself, in which case people won't see her acting like a savage. At that point, I guess our only defense would be if Asha herself speaks up and excuses what happened. Even then, people might assume that it's just that battered housewife cliche...
Yeah, I'd rather not go and talk about it at all if we have any choice.
>>6388240 Jason would attempt to put on a mask, while Asha tries not to grind its teeth into dust. It all depends on how much Cersei decides to heckle them, and how much Robert cares about this (instead of looking at the tournament, drinking, eating, or whoring). The result will probably still be Jason and Asha being somewhat irritated/angry at all the attention (and at Cersei), and Cersei not really getting the full reaction she would have hoped for. At the same time, Robert gets a laugh out of the whole situation, and maybe another laugh at Cersei's and Asha's expenses, too, if they start throwing words at each other (if cutlery is launched, he might still laugh or start using his hands).Stannis would probably not like Asha or us at first, but might start a more intelligent conversation on architecture, and also to understand better what kind of young man Jason is (first impressions and the recent rumors don't paint a great picture).I suspect Tywin would be divided. On one hand, Jason and Asha are getting some negative attention for the act they did, but at the same time, on the other hand, he wouldn't want it to go uncontrolled because he is hyperfixated with the prestige, power, and face of House Lannister.Renly might have fun at the expense of everyone present. Might participate in the discussion, depending if something really spicy is said.Tyrion, Jamie, and the other Lannisters would make a lot of different faces from afar. Mostly concerned. They would intervene if things got heated.I wonder if we can talk with the Hightower Lord at this feast (after the royals section of conversation), going to the Citadel for a while with some help would be nice...
>>6388511>long-running rumor about how Jason beats his wife.I think that would be a rational result of this, but I suppose I am assuming it won't be the case because it wouldn't seem very fair for the QM to have us hit our wife without allowing a vote on it and then have us face long term social consequences. I think given the context it was a decent curveball to throw us, but expanding the incident into an ongoing problem for us would be pretty harsh, considering.
Even if they spread such a story, I really doubt anyone would give a fuck due to her being an ironborn. "Beat up women" is LITERALLY their culture. Like that's not even racism or anything, that is LITERALLY what they do.
>>6388523I think they would be far more scandalized over how much Asha hates acting like a lady or wearing a dress if Brienne and Arya are anything to go by. Asha, at least has the Ironborn savage excuse in their eyes. Tywin will be seething over her unladylike behavior far more because it makes the Lannisters look bad ESPECIALLY since she is supposed to be the next Lady Lannister.As for the fight...we kinda lost that one and again she is a savage who refuses to act like a lady. A lot of the decorum standards wouldn't apply to her for that reason as she is no 'lady'. Otherwise, Brienne would never have been able to handle Knightly tasks or duties even if she were treated as a freak. Brienne got away with a ton of shit due to her refusal to be a lady and adopting Knighthood despite being a woman.
>>6388528Part of why Brienne was able to get away with it is because she was also built like a brick shithouse. And kind of looked like one, too. Kind of hard to dispute her wishes at playing a knight when she is legitimately a better knight and fighter than the majority of people she meets. Coupled with the fact there are few who wish to bed her it's pretty easy for her to get away with that stuff comparatively.
>>6388523I think there would be a slight self-justification to it when people see she's an Ironborn savage, dresses like a man and is ready and basically acts like a punk.Like yeah not a lot of people would like it but there would be enough who'd shrug their shoulders and say "ehhh what did you expect from such a marriage? He's the son of tywin lannister"
>>6388544That too but she also specifically forfeited her right as a lady and adopted Knighthood. Even so, she was still treated as a pariah. She got away with it due to how few men could beat her in a fight. She found quite a strange loophole in Westeros knightly and chivalry culture. Hence, her being a notorious pariah.Asha, meanwhile, found the Ironborn version and successfully scared reavers into submission to point of nearly taking over the Iron Islands. What she lacked in the size and power that Brienne had, she made up for in sheer viciousness, finesse, and skill. Her approach is more similar to Arya's approach vs Brienne's knightly approach to fighting. Both are extremely deadly in a fight despite being women. You sorta have to be a very strong fighter as a man to face them. Naturally, most men would prefer to avoid this, given how embarrassing it is to etheir 1 beat a woman or 2 get beaten BY a woman. It's really a lose lose situation for them.One of the reasons Asha likes about Jason is that he didn't mind fighting a woman. Then again, it may be that he is simply too autistic to care or notice...
My ultimate goal is to kit Sandor out enough so he can kill his brother in a straight up fight. Fuck you, Mountain that Rides Dick.
Seven Courses, a mixture of dishes poking fun at the various houses of the Iron Islands like Codd seasoned by reach fruits, Whale broth to accompany bread from the Vale, and squid served in a platter surrounded by meats from the storm lands and north. This and more was eaten and taste by the many people attending the feast in the feasting hall you had rediscovered within Casterly Rock, refurbished and clean to show off House Lannister’s wealth, splendor, and venerability.While King Robert feasted and drank, the man having gained some weight since the rebellion but still possessing the physique and strength that gave him the name of “Demon”, you and Asha did what was expected of you, eating lightly. Out of consideration for your betrothed, you avoided dishes that had an innuendo towards the houses that served her father, which meant you skipped many of the main dishes and focuses on staples and sides, along with the roasted pork. Asha did much the same, though once the squid came out, a baleful mood took over her face. The insult was plain, the reference to the Stormland and Northern armies casting the squid down clear.Of course the rest of the court continued on, and Asha was left in a foul mood knowing she could not do anything without earning Tywin’s wrath or bringing the King’s own wrath in her if she did what she truley wanted.King Robert drank wine like water, diving into the festive mood beyond any depth a normal man would risk. He laughed and drank, told crass jokes and thundered his delight when an attempt at grabbing a lady servant was met with a giggle and a slap of his hand by the girl, the King taking it in good spirits.His Queen, your sister Cersei, was not in good spirits. Her wine went down like a tonic rather than water, and every laugh or shout from her husband was treated no different than foul waste plopping on her plate. The scene was made no better with your brother, still silently fuming at being given the loss in the final battle by virtue of the king’s spite from what Jaime believed, your brother made to watch as his sister was dishonored and embarrassed by the acts of the King. You felt a surge of outrage yourself, one that Asha noticed and quirked her brow at, your knuckles white as you made to control your face to hide the anger.Cersei was a cunt, you held no niceties for the elder sister who hated you since birth, whose cruelty had been a second blade to cut at your youth alongside your father. Were she being embarrassed by your father, or cut apart by your twin’s tongue, you would have smiled and luxuriated in the scene. However, she was still your sister, still your blood, the mother of your Nephew and who despite everything, was the daughter of the mother you never met.(Cont)
>>6388752You stewed on this, simply wishing to make it through the feast and be rid of the king. Then, Cersei did what she always did to ruin any feeling of warmth or consideration to her: She opened her mouth and began to make noise.“Dear Brother, we missed you at the tourney yesterday,” she said, earning your questioning gaze as you steadied your fork “what was so important that you could not stay for something meant to honor the royal family?” She said, her tone taking that same annoying lilt she favored when she believed herself ready to cut another with words. “Ah, I do apologize dear Sister, but Lady Asha found the heat of the day disagreeable, and I escorted her to our tent so as to attend her until she felt better.” You said, keeping a level tone as you noticed Asha pocket a knife to cut tough meat. You considered doing something but instead took a modest taste of your wine, still on your first cup. “By the time we were ready to return the day had ended and we had decided it best to rest.” Your answer was counter to the rumors, but your and Asha had his to bruises well, and showed no sign of what occurred yesterday. Your father would have been able to see the rumors quashed by virtue of there being no evidence, then your Sister did the thing she ought never to do: she continued to make noise.“Oh but that’s not true now is it, seems last night you and the squid,” your jaw clenched “ Emulated your twin and mingled at the wine sinks and beer halls.”King Robert quieted down and turned to look, his interest peaked.“Why sister, you’ve heard those rumors as well? I did not know you put so much weight in the fantasies of Smallfolk.” You said, a cut that would have eviscerated Cersei had Tyrion crafted it, but it was serviceable. You could see the flush of drink expand into that of fury, your Sister so quick to anger.You expected more noise, perhaps some ineffectual squawking. Then your sister acted on her latest scheme, and it was childish and idiotic as you expected. Wine flew from the Queen’s cup and splashed across Asha’s face, scouring it in dornish red and blasting away the make-up used to cover up the bruise that had grown on her cheek. The feasting hall went silent, lords and ladies looked up to the high table to see the commotion, and the duel sounds of Asha shaking in rising fury and your father’s teeth grinding could be heard.Most of all though, you felt that little part of you that had felt outrage for your sister die, now replaced by happiness that she had a husband who treated her better than she deserved.“Oh they are not fantasies, clearly, as it’s also said that you struck your betrothed in fury, a squire striking a lady and as an opening to assault. You did not learn such lowly behavior from our departed uncle brother.” Cersei said, her words loud enough to carry and giving birth to whispers between the lords and ladies about the accusation.(Cont)
>>6388753You felt your teeth begin to grind, your knuckles white as they were kept from crushing your goblet only because of its fine make.Asha stood up, stabbing her knife into the table and looming over it, all pretense of a noble lady lost to the cold storm of her fury. “You golden bitch, I’ll make you choke on that wine and the bottle you’ve already emptied.” Asha said, yanking the knife out of the table and readying herself as Jaime and Ser Barriston placed their hands on their swords.“Enough!” Robert said, his voice like thunder not in volume but in weight, carrying across the room through the clamor on the strength of his tone alone. The Kingsguard stepped back, and even Asha hesitated as the King of the Seven kingdoms, the man who crushed the Targaryen’s and the Iron Islands stood to his full height. He was no taller than the Mountain, but he the way he towered in the room could make one forget that. “That Ironborn savage threatened me, and you stop my defense. I demand-““I said Enough woman, you deserved that for your assault upon her.” He said, his tone cutting and resolute. You saw your sister flinch as he slammed his nearest fist into the table near her, and you felt no sympathy for your sister despite it. You did meet the King’s gaze as he spoke “You, boy. The rumors are true then, you struck your betrothed and bruised her face, after draining through the night?” You considered denying the claim, but knew it was both pointless and lethal to attempt to lie to the king now. So you nodded “Yes your Highness, I did indeed strike Lady Asha.”“And why did you dishonor yourself this way, to strike a lady and your betrothed even?” He said, a black anger in his eyes that told you he was ready to skin a lion this very moment.You shook beneath the king’s gaze, drawing a blank as fear to your heart. Then, you remembered something Asha said, and spoke partially without thinking. “To honor my betrothed of course, by paying her price.” You said, sitting rigid as Asha looked at you confused, and The rage seemed to grow in Robert. You absent mindedly handed Asha a handkerchief from your pocket, a reflex and unconscious action done as your brain abandoned control of the body to focus on the words. “As I sought to honor her culture and ways, and was encouraged to do so by choice words from the Lady Asha. I struck the first blow, and was proud of it. However, the Iron price was, well, too expensive for this lion that night.” You said with a sheepish grin, patting you bruises beneath you doublets and wincing. Robert’s gaze shifted from rage to confusion to interest. “While my Uncle Tygett taught me how to box, the Lady Asha is Iron born and forged, and…well I lost utterly.” You said with a laugh that came naturally purely because you had no control over anything but your words at the moment.(Cont)
>>6388754The feasting hall was quiet, tense as what you said settled in the minds of the lords and ladies. You could feel their disdain, a mark against your honor plain to see upon the Lady Asha’s cheek.King Robert glowered down at you, then looked at Asha, who stood defiantly to his gaze, knife still gripped in her hand. He then looked back at you “are you admiting to losing to this girl, that you started a fight with this noble lady and got trounced.” He said, almost mockingly, to both you and Asha.You let out another laugh “You’re Highness, she is not a Greenlander like us. It hardly counts when Ironborn women make a living off such things. Why lady Asha was on the way to becoming a Reaver captain herself, and I can only assume that takes more than a few fights to accomplish.”Asha looked to you, the ball in her court, before she smiled and adjusted her posture to be more proud “No Ironborn will follow a captain they do not fear and respect in equal measure. A few corpses over the side to pay for the wrong kind of joke about the wrong girl won plenty, my successes that followed won the rest.” She said proudly speaking on her reaving.King Robert shifted, he ceased to tower and simply stood beside you, and the silence was crushed by his laughter. “Ha ha ha, I suppose the Lion’s right, Ironborn and forged!” He said, hefting up his oaken chair that you were sure you could not move without aid and placing it close to you “So, is that all there is to it then? You struck out and failed, and she pitied you with drinks?”You smiled and took a small drink of wine, before you offered in a conspiratorial whisper “Well, all I can say in polite company is that it was fortunate for the rumors that the Hound found me and Lady Asha still fully clothed before the night grew to late. Else my father would have had more reason to be cross with us.” You said, then grunted as a blushing Asha punched your arm hard enough to shift your chair “AH! No, fair Retort.”Robert let out a thunderous laugh, the King’s laughter clearing the air and returning the festive mood, but also showing that you had for the moment made the King able to dismiss to rumors despite their kernel of truth.(+1 Disposition With King Robert I Baratheon. 1/20)(+1 disposition with Asha Greyjoy, 7/20)(-2 Disposition with Cersei Lannister, -7/20)(Cont)
>>6388755How do you proceed with this event?>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)>Listen to the kings stories and join his festive mood, drinking and celebrating along with Asha, who will be a bit hesitant to interact with Robert directly at first. (Gain More Robert Disposition.)>entertain the king with a story of Cersei’s past, a tale meant to humiliate her but only in the way a family member is allowed (Large Robert disposition gain, large Cersei disposition Loss, angers your father)>Other?
>>6388757>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)Haha We might be mediocre or average at most things, but we are at least not a dumb spiteful bitch like Cersei. She is however still dangerous in her vengeful stupidity.
>>6388757>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)Well, this shit really made everything go south. Fucking Cersei...
>>6388757>>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)cersei man
Having to interact with this woman reminds me why going to Kings Landing Is a horrible ideaEven if it would probably be pretty cool
>>6388769One of the best ways to also try and control or alter Joffery’s fate. Since all he has is Cersei, who spoils and enables his worst impulses, Jaime, who thinks keeping his distance is best, and Robert who will eventually develop a rift between him and the boy due in no small part to Cersei but also the kids low empathy that goes untreated.
>>6388770If Tyrion wasn't able to make a dent, I've no idea how we will. But maybe Jason will become more of a chad once he joins Gerion in his journey to find the Lannister sword.
>>6388757>Encourage them to throw axes.Fucking Cercie. How can you fuck up so much?
>>6388757>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing.What was Cersei trying to achieve?
>>6388757>>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
>>6388777Humiliate us, I suppose. That's just the usual sort of petty shite she does.
>>6388777Cercie's mind has like. . . 3 stages to thinking.I want something, Demand it.I am angered, attack it.I just got smacked, Cringe and pretend it doesn't hurt.Her only redeeming value is her love as a mother. In all other things she is the worst, most short sighted, conniving, ineffectual bitch.
>>6388785>her love as a motherHer "love as a mother" is what turned Joffrey into...well, Joffrey.
>>6388786She spoils and dotes on her children, and does unequivocally love them.Jeoffry is just a case of born with a psycho streak and enabled.Tommond and marcellia are good children.
>>6388757>>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)She might even beat him at this one
>>6388786Her parenting style worked alright with the other two, I think Joffrey has brain-worms because of incest and is also corrupted a bit by being the heir to the throne whose ''''father'''' got there by butchering the previous regime - I actually don't recall him mocking Robert the way others often do, I think he idolizes the might makes right mentality because of big Rob, but he doesn't actually have might so the friction between reality and his narcissism makes him sadistic to FEEL mighty. The throne is definitely a big part of his and frankly, many people's mental illness in the story.
>>6388786Joffrey is just an actual, literal, medically diagnosable sociopath. Cersei's actions didn't really make him that way, he was just kind of fucked from birth.
>>6388786Bro did you miss the part where Joffrey gutted a cat at life 6 years old? Dudes clinically sociopath, power and privilege just enabled that.
>>6388757>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)Personally I'd rather take one of the options that gives more disposition with Robert, but this route sounds so wholesome and fun.
>>6388818>>6388816>>6388790Thing is, you CAN raise a sociopath into a decent member of society. You just need to actually try to do it and get on their level with logical explanations about how being a decent person is good for them. Stuff like "if you're kind to people, they'll usually be kind back" or "If you do bad things to people, either they'll do bad things back, or other people will find out and use it as leverage".Unfortunately, indulging and/or covering up literally every last fucked up thing your child does with seemingly no attempts to make them stop is NOT the way to do that.
From a technical point, Joffrey's problem isn't being a sociopath, it's being a retarded sociopath who doesn't know how to rule for shitIf Cersei raised him to be a ruthless tyrant, rather than a spoiled brat, then he would have probably just crushed the game of thrones due to his position and family.
>>6388757>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)What could Possibly go wrong?
We haven't seen him in a while, so we should give Jamie a hug before all the Royals head back to King's Landing.>>6388819>>6388824It'd be really funny if Asha earns a good score due to practice and not being drunk, whilst Bobby B gets a good score because he throws the axe and instead of bouncing off, the wooden handle gets embedded in the target because that's just how hard he threw it. >>6388753>your father’s teeth grinding could be heard.LMAOI can only imagine the thoughts going through his head must have sounded something like "Seven, grant me the strength to not fucking KILL my children before sunset"After the feast is over, maybe we should go and ask him for advice on how to have handled the situation better. Cersei is the one who caused it, and I think Jason did a pretty good job of diffusing the confrontation. However, showing an interest on how to save face and not disgrace the family name when in public might show Tywin that Jason really does want to make ammends for his "fuck up" at the taverns / bars.Actually, question for the QM. Is Tywin's disposition towards Jason just permanently at -20/20?
>>6388848>Is Tywin's disposition towards Jason just permanently at -20/20?That would be Tyrion's score.
>>6388757>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)>>6388770The problem with Jeoffry is that we have to be there in his keystone ages where we can make the biggest impact on his growth and personality development. Which isn't likely and will be too late. Especially with Cersei and Tywin wiping his ass constantly. There is no way Cersei is gonna let us get that close to Jeoffry without vicious resistance especially in regards to disciplining or teaching him.It is mostly a proximity and timing issue with Joffery.
>>6388848>Actually, question for the QM. Is Tywin's disposition towards Jason just permanently at -20/20?I think Tyrion is his only child he hates to the point of wishing death, which I think is what that implies. The rest of us are in a weird kind of 0 space where we're more like objects than people, whom he does not care for in any meaningful way but feels significantly invested in as elements of his obsessive legacy project. Hate actually implies a level of consideration we don't warrant, I think, but I'll be curious to see what the number looks like (or if the strange shape of the relationship means he actually does not have a disposition rating for us, which feels possible).
>>6388777She saw an opportunity to hate and humiliate her second most hated sibling. In doing so drew attention to the very thing the Lannisters wanted to keep quiet and drew Robert's attention to it directly. Luckily, Robert is a good sport upon finding out the 'truth' and Jason didn't mind sacrificing more of his already pitiful reputation. Tywin is gonna be pissed but when isn't he?So typical stupid bitch Cersei causing problems>>6388848Tywin was screwed the moment Cersei picked a fight with Asha and blew up the entire incident VERY publicly. Ultimately damage was minimized because the most lackluster Lannister child Jason decided to take the fall and further damage his already pitiful reputation. Allowing Robert to laugh it off but now there is no stopping the rumors that are gonna spread because of Cersei when he had previously managed to control the damage.Having your heir publicly admit to hitting his 'lady' wife and getting ass beaten by his reaver savage of a wife(same person) in direct response while trying to get laid it's catastrophic in Tywin's eyes with how damaging it can be considered for the Lannister name. Even if doing so DID prevent the king from exploding as Cersei tried to instigate and let him laugh it off instead. Yet all the other nobles would have seen and heard about it as witnesses.His subpar heir got his ass beat by a girl savage and hit his fiancee.His future daughter in law the next 'Lady' Lannister is a publicly admitted savage reaver captain.The amount of rage and humiliation Tywin must be feeling right now is incalculable. The worst part is that he has to blame Cersei because Jason ended up sacrificing himself to minimize the damage to the Lannister Family as the least valuable piece. An unfortunate but necessary sacrifice for damage control from her stupidity. Yet now all of Westeros is gonna know all about his lackluster heir and his...'lady' wife. The only solace that Tywin can take is that at least the King was willing to laugh it off. Otherwise it would have gotten MUCH uglier and forced him to step in directly.On the plus side at least for once, Tyrion is gonna be able to walk away from this scott free. If Asha can impress Robert with the axe throwing Tywin is gonna have a much harder time suppressing her for not being ladylike enough.
>>6388854I was thinking Tywin has a permanent -10/20 to everyone except some of his direct family since Joanna died. Before Joanna died he probably only had a natural -5/20 with everyone. >>6388856By the end of the day Robert is going to lament having a wife that throws back cups of wine rather than throws axes. I can't imagine anything would piss Cersei off more than being denigrated as lesser than Asha right now.
>>6388860Bobby B is going to give Jason some tips for surviving the wedding bed, I bet
>>6388757>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)Tywin must be shaking his head thinking his son is the Laughing Lion 2.0.
>>6388757>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)Oh no, Tywin is mad at us! In other news, water is wet.
>>6388856>>6388863>>6388864I know that oog, it was us anons who made the choice, but in-setting, Tywin is the one who chose to give his son an Ironborn for a wife.Like, 70% of this is his own fault.She acts like a savage. Her people demand a fight in order to determine respect. His son is meek, so she bosses him around. Like seriously, what did he expect would happen?
>>6388861>"Right, she's going to want to be on top, so hook your legs 'round hers so she can't flip you over."If he weren't our brother in law I'd say he's the best and worst kind of drunk uncle rolled into one. >>6388865Tywin's notoriously bad with understanding his own children. Except Cersei. Because she's genuinely that basic bitch. He probably thought Jason wouldn't let a woman, even an ironborn one, push him around.
>>6388865>Like seriously, what did he expect would happen?Probably not Jason admitting that he threw hands with his wife-to-be and lost in front of Bobby B. That said, if he's gonna be so mad about us defusing a situation at the price of our meager reputation, he should have stepped in and thrown us a bone. Also 90% of his anger should be focused on Cersei anyways for blowing up our spot just to be a cunt.
>>6388865I definitely agree 100%, but to play devil's advocate: he expected us to rise to the challenge and tame her, because he is a coward and compulsively lies to himself about his family to soothe himself, and is then irritable when reality doesn't mesh with his expectations. Tywin literally has a crippling anxiety disorder and his maladaptive way of coping with it happens to make him a juggernaut in the world of brutal medieval politics. But no less miserable.
>>6388869Implying he isn't going to deal with us separately and we both get 100% of the blame
>>6388757>entertain the king with a story of Cersei’s past, a tale meant to humiliate her but only in the way a family member is allowed (Large Robert disposition gain, large Cersei disposition Loss, angers your father)An eye for an eye. Cersei is so fucking retarded.>>6388785I don't think she really loves any of them. She views them as merely extensions of herself, same as Jaime.
>>6388872>An eye for an eye. Cersei is so fucking retarded.An eye for an eye is exactly the type of bullshit Cersei thrives in (initially at least). Better we just enjoy the feast and make her seethe by not caring about her attempts at tearing down anybody who isn't as miserable as she is.
>>6388865Jason is more humble than meek and very cordial because he knows he is the most inferior sibling. So he knows he is gonna have to depend on those better than him when he takes over. An understanding he already reached with Tyrion. He does have a spine; otherwise, Asha would have treated him as a doormat instead of earning her acknowledgment.However it is this exact demeanor of his that Tywin HATES because it reminds him most of his own father, the Laughing Lion. Tyrion killed his wife. Jason reminds him of his father. There is a reason why Tywin hates them both so much. Yet if Jason overcompensated with his mediocrity with shows of power or wealth it would only disgust Tywin even more. So its very much a catch 22 with Tywin's hatred of Jason.As for Jason's absurd talent with all matters of construction and architecture, including defense works and sieging? The only person who noticed that wasn't even Tyrion but his fiancée, Asha who directly challenged him on it and accidentally uncovered it. Jason is the Lannister version of Brandon the Builder but nobody can see that absurd talent of his. Not even himself due to his treatment growing up and Asha is the only one suspecting otherwise.Tywin choosing Asha is rather simple. He thought he could break an Ironborn reaver bitch into becoming a proper Lady Lannister, such is his hubris. Especially with how 'simple' Jason is, he no doubt didn't think he could handle a lady more...equipped for intrigue compared to a blunt Ironborn bitch, which he thought was doable after breaking her in. He also never would have imagined that Jason would lean more towards the Dornish view of things out of sheer autism and need to overcompensate for his own shortcomings. Those two things blew up in his face badly.Naturally this is something he will never admit instead doubling down on trying to break Asha and very likely get himself killed by her in the process. Jason meanwhile, will never stop being that backup heir that will forever be a 'disappointment' because he cannot see Jason's absurd talent in construction and only superior to Tyrion due to not being a dwarf.
>>6388875That one maester noticed Jason's talent. Saw him playing with blocks and instantly knew: this nigga autistic as hell.
I don't think Tywin "doesn't acknowledge" his ability. Tywin knows very well that he's capable of architecture. He wouldn't be letting him do all these changes or giving him education with the Maester otherwise.Tywin, simply, doesn't care. If Jason was the spare? Sure, he wouldn't give much of a damn. He'd probably be "decently" proud of him for being useful and not bothering him otherwise. But as the heir, Tywin expected him to be good at EVERYTHING. He should have been good at scheming, and ruling, and fighting, and so on and so on. But he's entirely mediocre, and Asha is proving to be a bad influence on him. So of course he's ever so more angry.But no, he doesn't fail to acknowledge his skill as an architect.
>>6388877Plenty of kids like playing with blocks. Starting a scale miniature of Casterly Rock and actually finishing it probably tipped the scales on the Autism diagnosis though.
I'm also not sure where the autism joke comes into reality.Or that we are a prodigious talent rather than just "really good".I feel that jokes are beginning to distort the reality of the situation.
>>6388885"Awkward young white guy with poor social skills and a special interest" has basically become the image for "autists" in a lot of places
>>6388886To be entirely fair, it's a spectrum.God I hate hearing that again, even as I type it.
>>6388861>>6388868To be fair, that is advice that Jason desperately needs.>>6388860Robert always had a soft spot for tomboys on account of his Lyanna Stark who growing up was also a tomboy. Upon realizing Asha wasn't a 'true lady' but a fellow 'warrior' instead, he instantly calmed down and started laughing it off when he was very nearly about to explode. Unlike most noblemen Robert knows the difference as it was his own type once upon a time. Not anymore though, on account of heartbreak. It's why he also liked Arya so much. She reminded him of her aunt.>>6388877The worst part is the Maester even tried to inform and prove it to Tywin directly but he still ignored it despite having the greatest piece of evidence within his office to this day.A little kid mapped out the ENTIRETY of Casterly Rock, forgotten and hidden passages/rooms included. Made a perfect miniature model of it. That is powerful as hell weaponized autism right there. He just blew it off completely and this directly resulted in poor Jason wrongly assuming he was a mediocre loser surrounded by the exceptional. Only for Asha to later uncover it. Funnily enough, it was also the only thing that truly intimidated her about Jason. She took one look at his defensive plans for the westerlands made in less than a single night to counter Ironborn reaver raids and immediately went LOL NOPE. She knows she can beat him in a fight but seeing his expertise in defense and construction legitimately intimidated her.>>6388885The problem with that is Jason came up with a defensive works system to almost perfectly protect the Westerlands from the Ironborn raids in under a single night with nothing but his own mind and a few sentences from Asha. His talent is genuinely insane. There was at least an excuse for the Casterly Rock model because it took him years. There is no such neat excuse for his defense works project against the Ironborn that he perfected in only a single night, much to Asha's understandable terror, that could protect the ENTIRETY of the Westerlands.Also his density in terms of certain social interactions REALLY doesn't help. I didn't see him as much of autist until that...because yeah hyperfixation and missing the obvious social cues is just...painful+obvious. I won't say he is hardcore autist given how functional he is but he is very convincing at it. Oh boy he would gotten wrecked if it was a proper lady he was dealing with instead of someone as blunt as Asha. Even she struggles to get through to him.
>>6388891>Oh boy he would gotten wrecked if it was a proper lady he was dealing with instead of someone as blunt as Asha. Even she struggles to get through to him.I think that's unfair because 1. He's only 162. He's not married yetLike, he's been trying to be a gentleman by not coming on to Asha since she was basically kidnapped.If Jason had been married off to one of the other girls, he'd probably start flirting (poorly) once the two were married and old enough.
>>6388891>The problem with that is Jason came up with a defensive works system to almost perfectly protect the Westerlands from the Ironborn raids in under a single night with nothing but his own mind and a few sentences from Asha.That's why we need to talk with the Hightower Lord, and get the best education at the Citadel. Imagine how much that talent could be nurtured there.
>>6388902Think we can get em to come here?
>>6388907Not enough to have the same value of being there, at the center of education and knowledge in Westeros. Certainly, we can probably get a few more maesters and certain books and scrolls sent here.But many quality teachers and a ton of books wouldn't move from there, no matter the gold thrown. Besides, going out of the Westernlands a bit would do us some good. And the Reach is magnificent.
>>6388898I'm also hoping it will improve. Honestly, I'm more disappointed in Tyrion. He should have noticed and done something already.He's been more than a gentleman with Asha, notably overlooking her antics and even supportive of her, which very much goes against how a typical Westeros nobleman would behave with such an unladylike fiancée. He really didn't seem to mind whatsoever until she started crossing the line when she talked shit about Tyrion, which finally made him put her in her place, which she respected despite winning. The two honestly have a remarkable amount of mutual understanding with each other despite barely having met.My fear of the other girls is Jason's abject weakness in matters of realpolitick and intrigue. That they frankly would have been far better at exploiting than Asha, who prefers a blunt approach, which suits Jason far better. Like god forbid it if it had been Margaery, for example. She would have eaten him alive, but then again, with Tyrion around, their actions would have to be limited since Tyrion is actually clever enough to catch what they are doing. I suspect this is likely the biggest reason why Tywin decided Asha would be better. Even he would have been wary of a future Lady Lannister who was too clever and smarter than her husband...so he needed to find a worthy lady that Jason could handle.Instead, Jason seemingly 'folded' to his fiancée immediately and acts more like a Dornishman, much to Tywin's abject horror. The funny part is Jason actually IS capable of handling Asha. It's just he isn't suicidal enough to pick such a 'stupid' fight with her, when instead he can adopt a more reasonable approach that won't result in his throat being slit in the middle of the night. To Jason, the solution to this is obvious and it's not like he doesn't set boundaries or have a spine. He knows when/how to pick his battles. To everyone else, he looks like a Dornish inspired pushover. Which he doesn't care about because his reputation was always pitiful to begin with. Much safer to deal with than to get shanked in bed by his wife. That level of nuance though, is gonna fly over most people's heads entirely, except for the Dornish, who will be awfully suspicious of their true relationship dynamic.Keep in mind, Asha actually DOES respect and will listen to Jason. There are even aspects about him that secretly intimidate her. Jason doesn't see a point in picking a fight with her over 'no good reason', hence him overlooking her 'antics'.>>6388902Pretty sure Tywin blocked that just like how he blocked Jason from serving under another knight. With his talent, he should have been sent there years ago. It's not like non maester's aren't allowed to be educated, they just cannot take up the related oaths. Instead, Jason was stuck with whatever the local maester could teach him and his own self learning from books/models. Which somehow still proved that he has a frankly monstrous talent for it despite the handicap.
>>6388907Let's vote for Jason to send by himself a letter to maybe invite some representative here to Casterly Rock or see if there's a way for us to go there and have an talk and to show our talent.
>>6388911It might just be that Tywin doesn't want him doing nothing but architecture when he needs him to become a capable heir.I suppose Jason could *try* to convince him to send him to the school, but that would be a hard sell. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Tywin wanted us to put a baby in Asha as soon as possible so he could try another roll on the Family Gacha to see if he gets a better heir out of our grandson.
>>6388915somehow mixed "Out of out son" and "out of his grandson" into "out of our grandson"Well, technically speaking he lived to see Joffrey live to marriage age, so it's not entirely wrong. But you get the point.
>>6388915>>6388916Oh gosh, if Jason has kids, I wonder if we'll have to roll on the /qst/ dice to see whether he gets decent children or not
>>6388911>>6388007>Closer to the other Lords of Westeros, such as Jorah Mormont, Randyll Tarley, And Lord Leyton Hightower, who tower was close to the Citadel.Well, in the past, it might have been closed. But now the occasion is right here, in this celebration. Can Tywin stop us from talking to this Lord Leyton Hightower now? >>6388915I think we can convince him that we are still young and that further education would help us, especially in many other matters of ruling the Westernlands. The Citadel can provide a lot of education in any field that might interest a lord. Jason is not becoming a perfect heir by just staying here, clearly.
>>6388919we should probably tell Tywin to pound sand before he talks to our kids.>>6388920heh, uhh, you're a bit late there buddy
>>6388919> I wonder if we'll have to roll on the /qst/ dice to see whether he gets decent children or notWell, it's not an incest baby, so it really shouldn't be much of a risk.
>>6388922>you're a bit late there buddyIf this celebration ends in the next update of Lannister QM and it's just about royals, sure, it would be closed and dead. But if it doesn't, we can talk with different people present. And that's an occasion to use. Understand what I mean?
>>6388915Tywin absolutely does want an heir in Asha ASAP. Otherwise, he never would have allowed us to stay in her tent overnight despite Jason having supposedly tried to fuck his fiancée that very day. Tywin even admitted that, while annoying, it wouldn't be a big deal to move up the wedding if she were with child. He still gave Jason shit over it, but blatantly approved of it otherwise; they would have been separated completely. Instead of softly permitting the arrangement.What Tywin truly hated was when Cersei openly flaunted it to the entirety of the public. A rushed wedding is easy to handle. Such blatant public humiliation, on the other hand...Asha, meanwhile actually needs more heirs than Tywin or Jason on account of her ambitions. The only thing that concerns her is how bearing a child may slow down growing her influence and powerbase in the Iron Islands but with Jason as a husband...>>6388920Now would be the perfect timing actually as Tywin is gonna be too fucking pissed at Cersei and trying to clean up her mess to focus on what we are doing. Shit, he would have even forgotten Tyrion exists right now with how much he is raging and desperately trying to perform damage control over an event that he had previously suppressed and even thought he could hijack to ensure a faster arrival of a new heir.
>>6388924I mistook you for voting that closed an update ago.but yes, it's an idea to talk. The issue is that Tywin has no qualms about sending the mountain at sword point to guide us back to the rock and sit our asses down in house arrest.
>>6388911Margaery would have pieced up any of the explicitly not brilliant lords of the lands. She's built a little different. Not quite like her grandmother but sharp nonetheless. But I still think you're underselling Jason here. He is noted as being passable at everything he does, just not exceptional. He's not some bumbling oaf that can't see when someone is trying to manipulate him unless they are particularly good at it. Which in this case means probably only Margaery could consistently get one over on Jason out of all of his initial marriage options.
>>6388925Indeed, I think this feast is a way for Jason to get some way out of Tywin's command, for a little while at least. Get some influence/friendship going with someone present here at the celebration. If we keep talking with Robert, it could lead to one such way, possibly.>>6388929npHe doesn't have issues in doing that (0 issues in fact), but if we can frame it in a certain way, maybe he will get out of Jason's way. For example, if that kind of higher education was openly offered to cultivate Jason (after we discuss said education possibility with the Hightower lord), would it be smart for Tywin to just refuse it? Can Tywin refuse a great honor for one of his sons? Especially after Cersei's actions led to such public humiliation here today?
Loving the discussion as always people >>6388930I do think that the Martell girl would also be a threat as, while in the books her plans are thwarted, they are thwarted by her father who is playing intrigue 4d chess while she is still figuring her own plays out. Had her father been less like the illuminati, she might have succeeded in her plans.>>6388920I was feeling like i wanted to end the feast with that little bit, but I can do another extention to give you a chance to interact with the other guests, especially since the King and your betrothed will be having fun drinking and throwing axes.>>6388919Too be honest this sounds fun as hell and I'm tempted to do it, issue is that at this point your children would be at best Myrcella and Tommen's age by the time of the war of five kings occurs.>>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)Also I belive this won, anyone gonna contest that?
>>6388930You are severely underestimating Margaery. She is the beloved protege of her grandmother, one of the premier masters of intrigue in all of Westeros. There is a reason why her family holds her in such high regard despite being such a young girl at the start of the books.>>6388936Martell's daughter would be a lot more dangerous if she weren't a slut with Daddy issues and an obsession to get whatever she wanted. If her father had treated her like a proper heir instead of sheltering her like Margaery, she would have been far more dangerous.I would have voted for her if it weren't for her crippling daddy issues, her rampant cheating/insatiable nature, and her family being Targ loyalists that our family directly massacred. Like good lord. That is legit worse than the wild card daughter option by far, that also would have been just terrible. Margaery would have just plain run circles around the MC with her wits and intrigue skills but at least we could keep her from becoming a sworn enemy unlike fucking Jeffrie and Cersei.Another event to interact with other guests would be nice. Especially since Tywin would be distracted and we would have breathing room.The events go on for years within the books. Don't really die down, things just gets worse. So it's not like the children of Jason wouldn't have a part to play. Plus there is whatever the players managed to cook up or if you decide to push back the Winter or other events by a few years. It won't ultimately make a big difference but make heirs and children a lot more usable.
>>6388936>Had her father been less like the illuminati, she might have succeeded in her plans.That's fair. Hadn't even put on her big girl dress by comparison to the level 100 boss whose game she was caught in.>I was feeling like i wanted to end the feast with that little bitIf you're feeling up to it that'd be cool. If you would rather get a move on that's cool too. Could just relegate it to a footnote sort of deal, passing mention that we mingled with so and so.>>6388938I'm giving her exactly as much credit as she is due. She isn't her grandmother, who is better. Nowhere did I say she wasn't great. Only the lords that are notable for their guile can outfox her like I said. This land is full of great warriors, but only a handful of great minds.
>>6388936>Too be honest this sounds fun as hell and I'm tempted to do it, issue is that at this point your children would be at best Myrcella and Tommen's age by the time of the war of five kings occurs.Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Personally, I think it'd be interesting at least, it's not often you see protagonists becoming parents so early. The only other one I know of was Curse Carrier.
>>6388947That is why I would rather win Margaery over to be honest. Not even that hard, just don't marry her to Jeffery or let Cersei make an enemy of her. Preferably, use our own heir instead and suck up directly to the old lady. She won't be able to resist that kind of package deal. Yeah, she'll be a few years older than our heir but honestly that isn't a big problem. Then boom, we have Margaery as the junior Lady Lannister and as a doughter in law to handle stuff whenever her mother in law in is inevitably out, making someone else miserable. With a super easy to get along with father-in-law and early access to Lady Lannister's power/influence, while not being as restricted as ladies normally would be. Her grandmother would kill so her beloved granddaughter protege could have such a great start and most definitely strangle her son if he dared to get in the way. Not to mention that kind of power, wealth, and influence converging. Which would likely win over her father.
>>6388948Oh! That could be an excellent excuse for Tysha!Jason would be having children when he's only like 16 or 17 years old. Same idea goes for Asha. Compared to when Tywin had kids, the two are very young and thus not familiar with how to raise children. Jamie can't help us because he's busy at King's Landing, but good ol "Uncle Tyrion" can always be there to help raise them right. So if Tysha is given the cover story of being a maid to help with the little ones, then it means Tyrion and Tysha can spend a lot of time around each other without it drawing any suspicion; it'd just make Tyrion look like a very supportive/invested uncle.Tywin might hate him for his deformity, but he'd undeniably be "making himself useful" by helping raise the future heirs to the Lannister family.
>>6388950>With a super easy to get along with father-in-lawLmao, Jason and Mace Tyrell being great brother-in-laws would be hilarious af, not only because of their similarities but also because of how believable it sounds
>>6388950I'd be a little worried to be involved with the Tyrells at all. But better to have them think of us and our family as a useful tool than an obstacle, for sure. What a weird fucking set of alliances that would be because of Jason. Greyjoys, Lannisters, Tyrells. Only way it could get weirder is if by some friggin miracle we managed to get the Martells onboard and culled the animosity between realms. Fuck it, we build bridges too lmao
>>6388950>>6388955I do not want to get involved with a woman whose main claim to fame is poisoning her son in law and blaming it on our twin brother because she has a deep hatred of our sister.Even if he deserved it.
>>6388955Starks are easy. Just take Arya as a daughter in law because you know Asha is gonna utterly adore her. Martell's are the hardest part, along with the Vale. Stormlands wouldn't be a problem but our sister is a bitch. Riverlands and Vale can be avoided if we don't fuck over the Starks.Honesty as long as avoid behaving like Tywin and Cersei, forging a solid power block won't be a problem. Even if we ignore King's Landing(we should know that place is cursed).>>6388956That only happened because of both of them got screwed over with Renly being gay and later with Cersei and Jeffery. It can easily be avoided by giving Queen of Thorns a vastly superior way out for Margaery. That would win them both over. Take Margaery in and there won't be a problem. Ultimately, she is the only thing the Queen of Thorns cares about anymore. She has long given up on her sons.
>>6388955It would be VERY fucking funny if we somehow avoid the War of Five Kings in its entirety just by making us/the Lannisters a big alliance lynchpin for the entire Seven Kingdoms.
>>6388960>Just take Arya as a daughter in lawNo thanks, I'd rather stay as faaaaar away from anyone even tangentially related to the Red Wedding as possible. I know who our father is.
>>6388963If we get Arya as a daughter in law, the Red Wedding won't happen because the Starks will be directly allied with the Lannisters.Tywin's not so stupid as to kill a members of his in-laws or at least not as directly as with the Red Wedding.
>>6388964I'm sorry anon, but we cannot save everything by just befriending everyone, not how it works. The red wedding will happen because the Starks *will* inevitably rebel so long as Stark finds out about Glorious Joffrey's parentage
>>6388963That's assuming Tywin lives that long. You forgot just how much he has pissed off Asha and how much she has to gain when he dies after she marries Jason. She would have been plotting murder this whole time and only took a pause upon realizing it's better to wait until AFTER the wedding to kill her father-in-law. Shit, I wouldn't even be surprised if she managed to do it on the night of her wedding.Long term its gonna be Tyrion who gets him. Short term I'm betting all my crowns on Asha. She wants Tywin dead so very desperately and has so very much to gain from it. Keep in mind she has already sneaked into his office and seen the miniature of castle rock with all its hidden passages...>>6388964The bigger problem is Cersei and Jeff. The North wouldn't have risen if Jeff hadn't killed Eddard instead of refusing his right to take the Black. This forced them to rebel. >>6388966Long term it would have happened anyway because the records Eddard and Aryn found as proof are extremely widespread genealogy records among all the Houses. If anyone bothered to look, they'll find it. The only way to prevent it would have been to keep Cersei from aborting Robert's babies. As that was what made them suspicious.
>>6388967>You forgot just how much he has pissed off Asha and how much she has to gain when he dies after she marries Jason.Yeah, and then Cersei roasts her ass on a stick. She also knows that if JASON, and by extension her and her future kid are gone, then SHE gets the Lannister House.
>>6388966>>6388967Okay, Anons, to clarify my line of thought: If we end up marrying one of our kids to a Stark be it Arya, Bran, Rickon, or god fucking forbid Jon, it'll stop the Red Wedding. It won't stop the war, nor will it stop Tywin from trying to destroy the Starks, but it will stop him from doing so as blatantly as with the Red Wedding.>Yeah, and then Cersei roasts her ass on a stick>Implying Cersei will find enough evidence to accuse Asha>Implying we won't help Asha hide what evidence Cersei *could* find>Implying Robert wouldn't shut that shit down immediately, dismissing Cersei as just being a hysteric bitchThere are many ways to get around a murder accusation, not least of all having both a solid alibi and the (relative) affection of the King.
>>6388969Second part is responding to this post:>>6388969
>>6388973>>6388972You can all completely ignore everything I'm saying, I'm retarded, actually.
>>6388972>Implying Cersei will find enough evidence to accuse AshaDo you think she needs any? And this is all assuming it happens very soon, which good fucking luck, Tywin is very dangerous and Asha is still young.
>>6388972The REAL most likely thing to happen is >jason has kids>tywin demands he be allowed to raise them>jason says nah>tywin takes them anyway>jason straight up slimes his own fucking father in broad daylight>everyone gives it a pass because tywin is a dick>except cersei but fuck herFuck it we ball.
The king’s merriment moved to your side, dragging you in both physically and emotionally as you found that the king was, well, exactly as the legend said. Robert had a way with people, had a way to bull his way past any barriers or hang ups, to turn enemies and critics into allies and friends. You were never one to drink too much, and feasts and parties were never your interest as you found they merely stages for your father to maneuver pieces and shows starring your brother cutting apart any unfortunate nobility who earned his ire. With King Robert though, the drink was sweeter, the food richer, and the laughter came easier. Coupled with the loss of your familial consideration for your bitch of sister, you found yourself settling into the pace of the king.This merriment and the freedom of it, along with the sight of Cersei being taken aside by your father to be ripped apart by the Old Lions expertly crafted word shivs, made you a bit more bold. “Tell me your highness, after all day watching the tourney, I imagine you yourself might be open to some competition?” You asked, catching the King’s interest immediately along with Asha’s, who had been drinking and slowly becoming more comfortable around the man who broke her home.“Oh? Is the little lion challenging me to something? Please say you are, I’ve been itching to swing my hammer, though you don’t look much of a match.” He said, laughing at his jab, and you shared the laugh easily as you held no illusions on your martial prowess.“I’m afraid I’m no challenge for you my grace, and I could never risk your royal person in a whimsically made duel.” You said, watching the king’s face deflate a little, the edge of melancholy forming. Until you continued “However, Lady Asha,” you said, turning to include her into the conversation “quite adept at axe and knife throwing, If I may so claim my lady?” You said, watching Asha look at you in surprise, then nod.“I prefer throwing axes personally, and I have never met a man who could match my skill at it.” She said confidently, the pieces falling into place for her as she looked at the king with a cocky grin “Though I assume the mighty king would not want to risk his royal fingers on such a crude game.” She said mockingly, earning anger from Robert, but the kind that fueled a good time.“Oh you squid bitch, I’ll make you eat those words.” Robert said, standing tall and meeting Asha’s gaze with his own.You ordered hand axes to be brought up from the armory, as well as some targets such a hay bales, crates, or anything disposable that could save the Rock’s walls and its treasures from destruction. “Good Luck my king, You may need it against Lady Greyjoy.” You said, meeting Asha’s glance she sent back at you, smiling and nodding in her direction, bidding her to enjoy herself.(Cont)
>>6388982Soon, King Robert and Asha were throwing axes, Asha with skill and experience, and Robert with thunderous might and talent. Already, knights and more martially minded lords were gathering, sharing drink and cheers as they were wrapped up in the friendly competition. You yourself though, you found yourself free of your sister, free of your father’s hawklike eyes, and free of obligation. You let out a sigh, enjoying the food at your plate that had gotten cold but was still delicious.(+3 Disposition with King Robert, 4/20)(+3 Disposition with Asha Greyjoy, 10/20)Now though, you knew that with this freedom, you had options. One of which was to simply detach from the noise and festivities and rest your spirit. However, with all the major nobility besides the greyjoys and martells present, to do so would be wasteful, and the voice of your father in your head would not allow you to be idle.>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.>Visit Lord Jon Arryn, Lord Paramount of the East, the Lord of the Vale, and Hand of the King. He was the man who was said to run the kingdom in Robert’s stead, who had no taste for rule.>Call upon Lord Leyton Hightower, lord of Oldtown and close ally with the Citadel of Maesters. While not a major house like the Lannister’s or Starks, the Hightowers were old, respected, and one of the most influential families in the seven kingdoms. >Visit Lord Mace Tyrell and his mother Lady Olenna Redwyne, The flowers of the the reach and holders of vast territory and also a family seeking friends as their reputation for Targaryen supporters in the rebellion still haunts them.>Visit Lord Stannis Baratheon, Lord of Dragontstone, Master of Ships on the small council, and brother of the king. He is a notoriously hard man, compared to forged iron and famously dutiful and just. The story of his holding of storms end is legendary, which connects well with your interest in the ancient fortress.>other
>>6388980His kids would be a boundary.Tywin does not respect boundaries.Tywin would they learn very directly what boundaries entail, point first on the shitter.
Dang, if Tywin could see all this political scheming that we're thinking about, he'd crack the biggest fucking smile.Maybe discussing the long term marriage plans for Jason's kids is a conversation we should have with him sooner than later.
>>6388984Wait guys, I just realized, if we go to the Citadel, we won't be able to join Gerion in his adventure, which would have been a great excuse to have a "getaway" with Asha on the sea.
>>6388984>Call upon Lord Leyton Hightower, lord of Oldtown and close ally with the Citadel of Maesters. While not a major house like the Lannister’s or Starks, the Hightowers were old, respected, and one of the most influential families in the seven kingdoms. >Visit Lord Mace Tyrell and his mother Lady Olenna Redwyne, The flowers of the the reach and holders of vast territory and also a family seeking friends as their reputation for Targaryen supporters in the rebellion still haunts them.Prioritize Hightower however Olenna is priceless connection for once we have a son for Margaery.>>6388969Tyrion exists anon and Cersei's claims are to Crownlands through marriage. Jaime's is still a King's Guard. Cersei cannot do shit but try and bitch to Robert who will ignore her because for once he found a Lannister he can like. The man will be trying hard not to laugh as he wasn't fond of Tywin and Jason is FAR more tolerable to deal with. Without Tywin, Tyrion is also gonna be set loose with Jason's backing. Asha meanwhile just got to win over the Westerlands without dealing with her awful father in law and now only has to worry about Cersei because of course Cersei had ot make an enemy of her. Without her bitch of a sister in law too she'll be as happy as she can be and honestly Robert would probably be happy too. Then Asha only has to pay attention to her own family matters.So yeah Cersei will go after Asha but Asha already wants revenge for humiliating her and her fiancé. Still needs to prioritize killing Tywin first before focusing on her bitch of a sister in law. Queen be damned.>>6388972Jason knows Asha has been skulking around the secret tunnels and arming herself. I don't think he realizes though just how badly Asha NEEDS Tywin dead. It's unlikely Asha will make a move before the wedding though but after? game on.
>>6388984>Visit Mace I like tyrells.
>>6388978>Do you think she needs any?She *absolutely* needs evidence. Murder is a VERY serious crime, especially in Westeros, and especially of your father in law. Nobody fucking likes Cersei (except Jaime), and if Asha has a water-tight alibi (no pun intended) and there's no proof of her being part of a conspiracy, Cersei's accusations will be written off as the hysterics of a grief-stricken daughter.
>>6388982>“Oh you squid bitch, I’ll make you eat those words.” Robert said, standing tall and meeting Asha’s gaze with his own.He truly is such a fucking bro... Even if I was the Squid Bitch in question I would find this charming!!!!! Truly only a frozen, recalcitrant worm-shit like Cersei could ever imagine poisoning or sabotaging a man like this...
>>6388984>>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.I want to befriend Ned. I don't care if Tywin approves. I want to talk to him about The Wall, about Bran the Builder, and frankly, I want to rebel against our father by getting close to someone who is clearly the better man, and who sees through Tywin's bullshit. Ned also has his own history with the Greyjoy's, and maybe we could talk about visiting Theon.
>>6388984>Call upon Lord Leyton Hightower, lord of Oldtown and close ally with the Citadel of Maesters. While not a major house like the Lannister’s or Starks, the Hightowers were old, respected, and one of the most influential families in the seven kingdoms.The Citadel is key to allow the growth for Jason mind to reach new heights. There is no other place like it, and it will provide a challenge to his intellect. Stannis would be also a good choice, but he is more of a new military mind. He is not concentrated on even civilian applications. Talking with him would be on sieging and defending from sieges. An active and productive discussion, can it be made more than that ? Possibly.
>>6388988Idunno about ALL of this, anon, but? I hope you're right and Asha does decide to waste Tywin relatively early.
>>6388994>The Citadel is key to allow the growth for Jason mind to reach new heights. There is no other place like it, and it will provide a challenge to his intellect.I agree, but at the same time...cool journey...
>>6388987>>6388996Depends on whether we go before or after the expedition and how long we study. Truthfully Jason is only really good at the related specialties of architecture like defenses, infrastructure, and sieges. With his specific talent and lack of talent everywhere else, he won't need to stay for too long a period.>>6388995Realistically, she has the most to gain from it by far. I doubt she'll want to risk it before the wedding but during or after? Oh yeah. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if she took advantage of the wedding to do it. Have Tywin all nice and drunk with his guard lowered? Perfect alibi?
>>6388997The journey option was said to be two years from now. Even if Tywin sent us literally tomorrow, I don't think we could finish studying in time
>>6388984>>Visit Lord Stannis Baratheon, Lord of Dragontstone, Master of Ships on the small council, and brother of the king. He is a notoriously hard man, compared to forged iron and famously dutiful and just. The story of his holding of storms end is legendary, which connects well with your interest in the ancient fortress.
>>6388984>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.Ask Neddard about how Theon's doing.
We should tell Tyrion to buy moon tea for Tysha so she doesn't birth any golden haired bastards before Tywin finally drops dead.
>>6388984>Call upon Lord Leyton Hightower, lord of Oldtown and close ally with the Citadel of Maesters. While not a major house like the Lannister’s or Starks, the Hightowers were old, respected, and one of the most influential families in the seven kingdoms.Just because we're talking with him doesn't mean we need to go to the Citadel...and even if we do, we can go either before or after the journey.
>>6388994I think Stannis would appreciate Jason's company in this very specific circumstance and lighten him up to us. For the reason that Jason's genuine earnest interest in the siege, the fortress, and Stannis' actions and role during it all would not seem like someone bandying favor or sucking up to him. Imagine being the middle child, shafted and forgotten, then having some nice young man show up and really REALLY listen and think about your words, and even discuss the practical nuance of some of it with intelligent points and an open mind. He may not grow fond of Jason for such a conversation, but he would certainly feel some sort of vindication that he is seen and appreciated for his own glories. That would definitely make him have a better disposition to what he would otherwise likely think is just another spoiled Lannister brat. If they ever found the time and place to discuss how they feel about their places in their families and see how they are both "not good enough" of a sorts they would commiserate and find some shocking common ground despite how different their lives have been. But that would be a question for future Jason.He is just as valid of an opportunity as the others. Since he currently does have the ear of the Big Bobbert. And once the war of Five Kings kicks off it would be nice to have Stannis think positively of us since we could leverage his trust to our advantage. Potentially to get him to stop being such a stick in the mud sooner. All of these options are very tempting for various reasons though.
>>6388988+1 to this.Hightower and the chance for Jason to learn is the priority, followed by the Tyrell's.If possible, we should try to also go cheer up Jaime a bit.>>6388993>>6389001Oh, I'm not voting for him, but if Ned wins then we MUST ask about the architectural marvel that was the heated plumbing beneath Winterfell.
>>6388996>>6388997>>6388998I still would like to push for us taking our OWN trip, not on anyone else's schedule, to go tour the realm and make friends. I think it would make for a really fun /quest/ and would gear us (and Asha!) properly for what we all know comes next. Three or four years of travelling with her, Sandor, Tyrion, and Tysha sounds perfect and wouldn't preclude us from doing anything else we need or want to do.
>>6388984>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.Let us make a case for ourselves being the "One good lannister" in the Stark's eyes. So it isn't us who is kidnapped by a certain trout and dragged to the shitty castle on the mountain
>>6388996Its also dangerous, and Jason is not doing anything to truly improve himself meanwhile, beside using what he has at his disposal here in Casterly Rock. And once Uncle Gerion talks about what he wants to do, Jason and Asha would need to prepare as best they can with what time Gerion announcement gives them. Expeditions to Valyria are not known to be successfull. The place is cursed, with lava, earthquakes, poisonous-gas, jagged coastlines, no friendly nature and more. If Jason and Asha can return it would cover them in legend. But its an if, placed on the shoulders of a young man and woman, against a land that has killed people more experienced than them just fine.>>6388998Very likely. We wouldn't be able to finish full studies depending on how many links we want to gain. 2 years is not much time for grow talent.>>6389006I believe so as well.For the mind of Jason, its certainly gears him toward learning more warlike and military application of architecture. It can also lead to an attempt at making new defensive improvements, born from the discussion with Stannis and his real experience.
>>6389009I've been pushing that for a while. Two trips one across Westeros, visiting all the glorious buildings and tournaments. Another while sailing to Essos.>>6389008You know, it just occurred to me, wouldn't the Queen of Thorns actually be intelligent enough to see through Jason's and Asha's relationship dynamic? Now I'm curious about what she thinks about it.Yeah, whoever we ask is gonna get questioned about glorious architecture. Pretty sure that is gonna be the real #1 why Jason secretly wants to travel and see/study it all for himself.
>>6389012Interestingly enough when it comes to engineering there is almost no distinction between military and civilian applications. Knowing how to make irrigation and knowing how to redirect a river to make a new, unexpected crossing, or dehydrate a fortress that relies on a river is literally the exact same thing on a different scale. Knowing the proper way to dig trenches and tunnels is just as useful in a siege as it is in mining or farming. A house and a wall both must start from their foundations after all. Now imagine using the heated water piping of the Starks to create boiling oil traps indoors where an army might thing it is safe.LEGOs are so fucking cool. kek>>6389015The idea of a husband that is genuinely unthreatening would probably make Olenna kick herself internally for not being able to secure that for one of her granddaughters. Even if she couldn't see through the deception, the deception itself being "I only did it cause that's what she's familiar with" is a great thing since it means he WOULDN'T beat any other women.
>>6388984>>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.He has Theon right? mind as well try to find out more about our brother in law too.
Looks like it’s a tie between Leyton Hightower and Lord Edward Stark
>>6389049>WhyNotBoth.webm
>>6389049Fuck it Hightower+1
>>6389052No hot showers for us, then. Instead, it's big brain time.
>>6389052Alright, Hightower it is. Writing
>>6389060The lion does not concern themselves the shrinkage of their testicals
>>6389073Apparently lionesses bite lions on the genitals when they want to mate. Obviously Cersei is too fucking stupid to hit the target, but surely this would make Asha a true honorary lion. Real shit though Asha must think she hit the jackpot. Of all the forced marriages she could have gotten, she gets hitched to the guy who lets her throw axes and happily so. Talk about silver linings. Or rather, golden bread for her shit sandwich.
>>6388984>>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.
>>6389071FUCK
>>6389084Condolences, friend.
So for the post I’ve been reading up on the Hightowers. Jesus Christ this man has so many damn kids, and a good portion of them are around Jason’s age.Of particular note is his eldest daughter, Malora Hightower or The Mad Maid. Her most notible mention is in a feast for crows, where she and her father are consulting books of spells after Ironborn begin to attack the reach under Euron’s command.He has a number of young sons as well, all of whom scramble to prepare Oldtown against Iron born attack in the future.
>>6389116The good news is, there will be significantly fewer characters to keep track of relatively shortly lmao
>>6389125Well I mean, the Hightowers have thus far suffered no losses in the novels, which is good for them.
>>6389116>scramble to prepare Oldtown>against Iron bornpic related
>>6389132No shit? I was sure some of them kicked the bucket. Damn. Lucky. I wonder what horrible tragedy is going to befall them ere the end comes.
>>6389133lol, love that this was used
>>6389074She can dare to imagine a happy future. You know Tywin is going to reach a boundary that should never be crossed with Jason.Tywin: *makes demand that pushes way past Jason's boundary.*Jason: *automatic, in a quiet firm voice* No.Jason realizes the only witness is his wife and they're near a secret passage no one knows of except himself. Auto stabs Tywin in that mortally deadly part of the body just as Asha taught him about then shoves corpse into secret passage and throws it into an oubliette.
>>6389116I am reading up too and didn't realize that Leyton was the grandfather of Loras and Margaery both. Also didn't realize that in the books, GRRM says there is a case to be made that Loras is the deadliest living swordsman - I think I may have heard that before but he was such a fucking jobber in the show it was just ejected from my brain.
>>6389201Yeah Loras is one of the best, but I think it’s widely believed that his older brother Garlan is an even better knight.
>>6389199Probably to do with his kids. I cannot imagine hearing about "I had their hands beat until they bled" without first tending to our kids injury and then having a very pointed conversation via stepping through the passage ways.Keeping a concealed knife on our person may be a good decision for the future.
>>6389199>>6389074Personally, I'm betting on Asha taking advantage of her own wedding to kill Tywin, abusing it to invite some trusted backup as the bride, given she is already a reaver captain with a retinue to rendezvous with to guide them through the secret tunnels in the middle of the night to whack Tywin, then sneak back into her wedding bed after escorting them out. Perfect alibi. Tons of witnesses and suspects. Puts herself in the perfect position to cover it up the morning after. With a year of prep time to investigate and prepare, which she already started doing. Likely first thinking about escape at first, but realized that her fiancé was her type and she would rather deal with her father in law instead.All that's in the way of her happy future is Tywin. So she needs to kill him. Making her own wedding the 'red' wedding will be the best opportunity she will get in years. After that, in terms of her in-laws the only problem that remains is her bitch of a sister-in-law, Cersei. Then her own family problems with her uncles.
>>6389242Killing Tywin right after the marriage is stupidly suspicious when you think about it. I mean come one, the night of the wedding and the guy who stands in the way of her becoming "Lady Lannister" catches an axe on the back? Totally not suspicious...
>>6389205Garlan was the badass who donned Renly's Armor in the books and led the charge of the Tyrell forces at the end of the Battle of the Blackwater. All of the Tyrells are great, even MACE THE ACE, they just suffered in the show from:1) Show Olenna being awful (she lovingly henpecks them in the books, while in the show she's outright sexist against men)2) Garlan and Willas didn't get to exist due to screen time constraints3) Loras specifically got hit by the fact that gay men are not allowed to be badass and must instead be twinks to signal that they are gay. Renly got hit by this hard as well.Renly and Loras are both meant to be very handsome/beautiful men, but in an Action Moviestar way. Renly specifically should have looked like a younger and more physically fit Robert, that's one of the reasons the Stormlands went for him.Also, can I have your blessing to add Jason to the Power Level chart for another quest? If so, where would you want him (and, potentially, AUTISIMO ACTIVADO) placed? Tommen is F, Fat Robert is B, Bloodraven is SS, and EL GRAN OTRO is Maximum
>>6389243With what proof? The Bride and Groom were guarded that entire night in their bedroom, surrounded. There were no axes, just daggers. Lots of guests. Lots of witnesses. Lots of suspects. Lots of blades.You need PROOF. You want to blame the Ironborn? Asha Greyjoy just married Tywin's son? Not to mention they recently got their asses kicked, so why/how would they? Martells and Targs would be far more likely.Plus, right now nobody knows just how ambitious Asha actually is. However, she is starting to slip a bit with admitting the whole reaver captain stuff.>>6389244They are also extremely protective and loving of Margaery the future Queen of Thorns. Who only really got sabotaged by her Daddy a wannabe kingmaker by getting set up repeatedly by him with his obsession of wanting a grandson for a king. Even his sons were getting sick of that shit. That family was notable in that the men were very martial, while the women were very intellectual. Much to Olenna's great annoyance and endless misery. As her greatest complaint in life was that the men were a bunch of dimwitted brutes.Which is why winning them over should be very easy if we offer a way out for Margaery to Olenna with our heir.
>>6389248>With what proof?Jason knows about the secret passages, Asha is an Ironborn who's good with weapons, they have the motive because it means they'd inherit.
>>6389250Anon there is LITERALLY a model of Casterly Rock in Tywin's office featuring everything and only Jason knows about Asha exploring the secret tunnels, which he kept quiet about, as well as her stashing weapons. Also no shit, they would inherit but those two were BUSY and SURROUNDED the whole night by guards. Not to mention Kinslaying is an EXTREMELY serious accusation that requires serious proof. Tywin has a SHIT TON of enemies. Everyone knows Jason is a mediocre heir at best, who is far less of a threat and much easier to deal with than Tywin. Nobody knows how problematic Asha actually is. Nobody is gonna be looking in their direction, but instead suspecting it was one of Tywin's enemies taking advantage of an opportunity to cripple the Lannisters.Who would imagine it was the Lannister's own daughter in law and future Lady Lannister herself who would do it? The only ones who would even imagine it would be Tyrion and Asha's father/inner circle. Neither of them would say a thing and take that secret to their grave.
>>6389256Cersei is the real threat there. Even if Robert is still around for now to have the say, her position means she could dig in real deep to find proof.
>>6389257Cersei is a stupid bitch. Although, she is so stupid that it does in fact make her dangerous but her influence is now limited to King's Landing. Frankly, nobody likes or trusts Cersei but Jaime. If she wants to dig around Westerlands and especially Casterly Rock she will be going up directly against not just the MC but fucking Tyrion, who would be set loose entirely at that point, and there is no way she is getting past him. Especially with how much he hates her. The MC trusts Tyrion implicitly and will be his right hand man. Which they both understand. Tyrion is NEVER going to let Cersei get away with shit.Admittedly, the dynamic between Tyrion and Asha has yet to be fully revealed but some kind of arrangement is already in place on account of Tyrion entrusting Tysha to Asha's care and protection. Along with Jason forcing Asha to backdown on her behavior and treatment towards Tyrion.
>>6389260It's probably better to use a hatchet man who we can tuck away where nobody would find him.Possibly.
>>6389257>>6389260>>6389270Let's not get too married to the idea of assassinating him while he is still useful. Some anons want to spend a few years at the citadel, others want to go sailing on the Brightroar expedition or on a world tour. But if Tywin dies before the civil war, we will be too busy administrating the house for either. We'll also be as soft of a target as we are now, without having established a retinue, personal alliances/friendships, or developing our talents. But, we'll be a much more valuable and visible target, as head of house. I don't think Jason even dislikes his father enough to approve of usurping him with violence. Depending on how things go, I could see him trying to coup Tywin in order to reorient Lannister out of harms way once it's obvious Tywin and Cersei are putting us in a desperately bad position for the benefit of her greasy little sociopath bastard. In the meantime... What do we talk to Hightower about? Access to the citadel? How long do anons think it takes studying there to actually improve our already prodigal talent? What will Asha do in the meantime and who would we meet in Oldtown other than Maesters? Will we even be able to read 'the good stuff' without forfeiting our name and station?
>>6389270Jason hasn't reached the point of wanting Tywin dead urgently; instead playing the long game. Asha is thirsting for his blood since the kidnapping and her desire to kill him grows only more as her feelings for Jason intensify along with her ambitions and abuse at Tywin's hands. Tyrion wanting Tywin dead, recently cooled down a bit after a talk with Jason but that can easily be sparked up again when he has a chat with Asha. As for Asha, it depends on what she intends to use as backup to kill Tywin. I kinda doubt she will want to keep her hands entirely clean from it. As she will likely want the personal satisfaction of personal involvement but won't be dumb enough to try and solo it. If she borrows some gold from Jason I wouldn't be surprised if she spends the gold for some pricy backup. Otherwise, she has own her own trusted forces to help as well for backup.>>6389274I'm mainly pointing stuff out from Asha's angle. Personally I would like it if she would wait but given how insanely ambitious she is...I have a lot of doubts about how long she is willing to wait before she kills Tywin.Architecture and Citadel access. With our disgusting talent we would pick up our related specialty very quickly and outsiders are allowed to learn the same materials even earn rings just not allowed formal membership without the oaths. Technically, you can be a student and not a maester. In Oldtown we can also easily reach out to the Tyrells and other Reach nobles. As for Asha...it has a port. She has a ship with a crew that she totally will not misuse or borrow us for 'fun'.Plus we could spend so much gold to have Maesters solve so many problems for us. Which is where the real fun happens. Also helping Asha reform the Ironborn via trade, logistics, and protection. With Iron pricing paid from protection and escorting/transport.
>>6389274To answer my own question, and for others to consider as we go into talking to Hightower for write-in purposes: Studying at the Citadel will require at least a couple of years, and as one anon stated that isn't very much. Could be four, which is a lot of time which we should instead use to consolidate power in other ways, and develop interpersonal infrastructure that accounts for our weaknesses rather than hope to modestly improve our greatest strength. That's my thinking, anyways. I'd be down to hang around there for a year or so, ideally as part of a larger voyage to also visit other useful locations. Maybe instead of becoming a full student of some kind, we just look for a crash course on some history/science that is more esoteric but relevant to our interests. Then we look for a Maester whose learning compliments our interests and needs more specifically than the guy already at the Rock, and have him be one of the first members of our entourage. Someone to bounce ideas off of when Tyrion is busy, maybe someone with more engineering knowledge in the realm of siege weapons or battlefields? We should also look for designs or blueprints relevant to naval engineering, maybe some documents there will help to improve the Iron Fleet. So, perhaps we should ask Hightower if he knows the names of any Maesters with a great knowledge of engineering and construction, in order that we may begin a correspondence ahead of a visit to the Citadel.
>>6389278I think having something like a two year course on architecture would be pretty good. Jason isn't an intellectual in other regards anyway.
>>6389279I'd get on board with a two year stay but only on the condition that it's not our very first stop - I'd want to get one or two more ass-kickers on board to help train Asha, I'd want to have gotten her a ship by then to help her continue to train her sailing skills, and I'd want to have met and befriended at least one other lord while out and about. We could possibly do all of that in one or two stops before hitting Oldtown.
>>6389280Anon, Tywin isn't gonna let us go on a globetrotting adventure, we die he's fucked.
>>6389278We aren't smart enough to get much use out of other studies besides our specialty which we should double down on it and anything connected to it. Like defense works and sieging. Given its our specialty we would likely rapidly gain rings in it.In terms of entourage I wanna pay to get the best money can buy for a doctor and war adviser for Asha's retinue Maester. For us...honestly, we could use one for everything we suck/are mediocre at so everything else lol. I mean I know we have Tyrion but he should have his own retinue and is more of a right hand man kinda deal. So honestly, we could use a lot of maesters with differing specialties as advisers.Meeting maesters of engineering, construction, architecture, and defense would indeed be most beneficial for Jason's learning but I think it would be counterproductive to hire them. Learn from while there yes but hire no unless we desire a consultation.>>6389280We could visit High Garden before Old Town, as it's on the way.>>6389282That is what Asha's murderous rage and totally not kidnapping her husband is for. Along with uncle Kevan and best bro Tyrion.
>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.>Visit Lord Jon Arryn, Lord Paramount of the East, the Lord of the Vale, and Hand of the King. He was the man who was said to run the kingdom in Robert’s stead, who had no taste for rule.>Visit Lord Stannis Baratheon, Lord of Dragontstone, Master of Ships on the small council, and brother of the king. He is a notoriously hard man, compared to forged iron and famously dutiful and just. The story of his holding of storms end is legendary, which connects well with your interest in the ancient fortress.My all time favourites. Except for Jon Arryn i wish he was explored better. I never really cared about the reachmen. They were always the most scammy faction after lannisters.
>>6389211Shitty as he is, I think that interfering with his grandchildren is one of the few lines that Tywin wouldn't cross.In the actual canon, he doesn't supersede Cersei when it came to raising Joffery; who was in line for the fucking Iron Throne. He only slightly began to take a role in grooming Tommen once he saw that Cersei had fucked up so badly with Joffery that he got himself killed.>>6389277I wonder if we should ever have Asha and Twyin sit down to discuss her ambitions for the Salt Throne of the Iron Islands.Obviously she'll need to keep it secret that her ambitions don't end there, and that she also wants the Westerlands as well, but if she merely discusses regular scheming then maybe Tywin will treat her less like shit, and possibly even support her efforts when she's doing something that isn't risky.He might have more faith in the future of the Lannister family if he knows that his son's wife has some impressive political cunning and ambition.To be honest, I wonder if in this timeline, Tywin will become slightly more chill since he'll regular grandchildren that aren't from incest.
>>6389282I don't think it's abnormal at all in this setting for noble heirs to travel at length for diplomacy and pleasure. It can be dangerous, but it's dangerous everywhere. Maybe the QM will ultimately agree with your sentiment, but I really, really hope not. It seems strange to me how many anons in this thread appear to be dead set on our MC being as passive and unengaged with the world as possible.
>>6389312>I don't think it's abnormal at all in this setting for noble heirs to travel at length for diplomacy and pleasure.Maybe, but not all heirs have Tywin as their father.
>>6389313Well, I mean this with total respect, and am not at all trying to sound like a dickhead here, but I think my position is that Tywin isn't real, and the QM wouldn't necessarily be betraying his characterization to grant us that kind of permission in game. Even if it were too much of a stretch, I am also of the opinion that a part of this kind of collaborative storytelling is working in ideas and interests from the players even outside of specific votes - which has already happened - and ultimately seeking to tell a story that is driven, interesting, and suitably dramatic, yaknow? I think you could argue Tywin might be highly overprotective and keep Jason safe at home until he is thirty or so, or that Jason just wants to 'play with blocks' and is so unambitious he doesn't see a point to travelling, etc - there are merits to it even though I don't personally agree. But actually travelling the kingdoms, meeting people, and playing the 'Game of Thrones' with the leave of Tywin to do so is going to make for a much more interesting and dynamic game. It creates the opportunity to drive the plot and be an active character, instead of react to the plot or be passive. The QM can correct me there if he would prefer for this game to be a very low stakes castle drama that is detached from the wider intrigue and politics of the setting, though I'd imagine he'd have picked a different house were that the case... Even this idea that Jason is inherently unambitious doesn't really land for me. Through our choices as players, we will determine who Jason is, that's way more important than being told who he might be (as a child, no less, on his way to becoming a man, where EVERYONE changes) and then making sure our decisions mirror that. We have already made votes, such as ditching the tournament, that have introduced new dimensions to Jason - bravery, loyalty, adventurous.
>>6389309Asha hasn't even told Jason yet. IC we only have gotten...3 hints. None of which relates directly to her ambition but rather her unusual knowledge of warfare and combat, not directly to ambition, the Salt Throne. She is playing along with Jason both because it turned out Jason is her dream type(pretty boy), who later turned out to have useful skills that can even intimidate her(not that she'll ever admit that publicly) and because of her ambitions. She wants the Westerlands and needs Jason, whom she is developing feelings for.Tywin burned the bridge with Asha when he tried to force his will on her and control her. That she found unacceptable. She could accept becoming Jason's wife(even grew to love it) but to become a proper Lady? That made her violently revolt against him because she couldn't appear so weak and soft if she wanted to rule the Ironborn. Ironically, Jason actually knew how to handle Asha best but Tywin had so little faith in his son that he would never believe it. As a result of this, Asha was unwittingly made a bitter enemy of his, who, in her eyes, desperately needs him dead to take both the Westerlands and enjoy having a family with her lover.If Tywin had only taken a softer, more chill approach with Asha, he would have ended up smiling even in his dreams upon realizing how useful she would be in her cunning and ambition with her love of Jason. As eventually Asha would have opened up with them about her true inclinations. Which would have been a shockingly pleasant surprise to Tywin. Honestly, Tywin screwed himself over immensely with this timeline. As her hostility arose from Tywin's actions but Jason was winning her over.
>>6389323In my eyes what is most likely is Jason will be driven by his interest in some of the novel defenses and architectural works to ask Tywin if he can go on a tour. Tywin, being Tywin, would set some rules, in that he's basically micromanaging where Jason is going and along what route. Partly to keep Jason nominally safe, but also to ensure he goes to the "right" places to talk to the "right" people. He's not going to let Jason go to the Iron Islands, or Dorne, and a case would be made he wouldn't let Jason go to the North either, be it for the Wall or Winterfell. Tywin would see value in having his heir show personal drive and showing up to various courts if there were ultra specific things that could be said which Tywin would undoubtedly coach Jason on. It's a strong showing and it allows Jason to schmooze which can build useful connections which Tywin can then exploit. The question truly is whether Tywin will be paranoid or proactive. Which knowing Tywin I would say he leans more toward his ambitions than our safety. He would like to avoid Jason dying however he does have options if we do. Especially since he seemingly hasn't caught wind that Tyrion has caught feelings for a peasant, yet. So he may think he still has that option on the table to maybe get some decent goddamn grandchildren that way. No matter how much he despises his dwarf son, he can still use him. So this may be one of the only "reasonable" periods of time in which Jason could convince Tywin to let him go on a trip, anyway.
>>6389337>IC we only have gotten...3 hints.No no, of course. I meant like, a few years down the road. They're just teenagers right now.>As a result of this, Asha was unwittingly made a bitter enemy of his>Which would have been a shockingly pleasant surprise to TywinThis is the part I'm thinking about. I'm wondering if Asha would be able to pretend to put her grudge aside (enough to deceive Tywin), so that she can benefit from his expertise whilst she benefits from him being less pissed at her. The only issue is that Asha and her Ironborn pride would probably would see this idea as cowardly, and would prefer to just yell about how much she hates him, followed by demanding that he help her, regardless of how poorly that would go.
>>6389313A real shame that Asha hates Tywin and has a boat with a crew that certainly won't mind 'kidnapping' her husband for a bit. She'll do it just to spite him too.>>6389323The 'playing with blocks' is mainly a joke but not entirely given how frightening Jason's talent with construction actually is. More of wasted potential given how it was largely ignored by everyone around him until Asha showed up and went 'oh shit' when she realized he just solved Ironborn raiding in under a single night with just a few sentences from her. Kicker was it wasn't just construction but how to make use of smallfolk and knightholds to establish a defensive line that could crush raids so completely that it made Asha give up on raiding the Westerlands entirely. So its not that he is truly mediocre but rather overlooked and mistreated.>>6389339Tywin made it very clear he would rather pass House Lannister off to a cousin than Tyrion. As for Jason...Tywin hates him due to how 'mediocre' he is and how much he reminds him of the Laughing Lion. He doesn't hate him as much as Tyrion, but he is definitely next on the list. Otherwise, he wouldn't have denied him going to Old Town for education or finishing his knighthood. As it doesn't make any sense that a heir of Jason's age is so inexperienced and cut off. Both Jason and Tyrion are receiving very similar mistreatment. It's just Tyrion decided to act out while Jason internalized it by focusing on his hobby.>>6389341Tywin and Asha are at an impasse because Tywin requires Asha to be more Ladylike but Asha CANNOT do this lest she entirely give up on the Salt Throne. Even if she reveals the truth to Tywin this doesn't resolve Tywin's requirements of a Lady Lannister. Ergo it doesn't matter unless Tywin takes a step back. Which will never happen because it's Tywin. Asha HAS taken a step back, as proven with Jason. Who knows how to get her to back down, but that isn't something Tywin will ever do.
>>6389344>Tywin made it very clear he would rather pass House Lannister off to a cousin than TyrionOn the other hand, he could have Tyrion have some kids, kill Tyrion, then have the grandkids set to inherit. The stain of being Tyrion's spawn would probably be at least tolerable as opposed to being Tyrion. Especially if those children inherit Tyrion's brilliance but none of his being a dwarf, or Joanna killing freakishness. Tywin would also probably find it darkly satisfying to kill Tyrion and raise the kids "properly" by himself. Because fuck Tyrion. I'm just saying. If there is a chance for it to happen, right now when all the pieces to Tywin's puzzle seem safe and set in stone is probably the best time. He doesn't want Jason to go anywhere because he's being a moody bitch and doesn't see it as worth the effort, but Jason showing some initiative might make Tywin just throw his hands up and say whatever. Which we won't be able to do once tensions start to kick up again since Tywin will see Jason as being unable to survive even a hint of strife.
>>6389355You seem to understimate how much Tywin hates Tyrion. He probably wouldn't want grandkids who would even have the CHANCE of being a Dwarf
>>6389244I’d say power level wise, he’d be below Fat Robert. Fat Robert could snap him in half, but not much weaker since Jason is fit, trained, and not an idiot. Bobby B is just built different to still be an existential threat to most men even at his worst.
>>6389356On the other hand, Tywin is also willing to break personal rules if it means causing Tyrion distress or harm. I could see him stealing away Tyrion's children for that reason alone, because that would be a gigantic dick move to Tyrion. Then forcing Tyrion to take the black and bam, now Tyrion has to know his children are in the "tender ministrations" of Tywin. Tywin's hatred is unreasonable enough that he will do things seemingly out of character solely out of spite for Tyrion.
>>6389360Thank you for your contributions to the autism. I put Jason at the bottom of B Tier based on your thoughts, while Fat Robert is at the top. Robert being Peak B instead of Bottom A was to more thoroughly show how much he slumped since the "then" in "Gods I was strong then". Notably, he is the only person to hit S Tier without any magic bullshit. Jon's a Warg, Ser Pounce and Tommen did a Fusion Dance, Old Bloodraven is still Bloodraven, Melisandre is a shadowbinder, and Darkstar isn't real he's just Gerold Dayne's OC Do Not Steal. Robert Baratheon was there with his hammer, and that's it.Of course in First Form Autism State, Jasons power level achieves a marked jump. Also, ignore the Myrcella stuff that's specific to the other quest.
While the allure of the fabled marvels of Winterfell called to you, the glass gardens that allowed the northerners to produce food even in the harshest winters and the hot springs heating their castle, along with the mythical bastion of Storms End that was fabled to resist even the siege of gods against it, a different avenue called your interest. Lord Leyton Hightower, sentinel of the South and Old man of the tower, had chosen to attend the Tourney and had done so with some of his large family. His heir, Baelor Hightower or Baelor Brightsmile as he was known, had not come, instead being trusted with the care of Oldtown. At Lord Leyton’s side was Malora Hightower, a handsome looking woman who dressed oddly, choosing fabric and silks dyed and decorated in an Essos style you did not recognize, and smelling of incense that soothed your nerves and reminded you of the sea. She seemed to be paying attention to the feast, but her hand was on an old book that seemed to be calling for her.In his company, there were his younger sons and youngest daughter, with one of his middle daughters present as Lady Tyrell, wife to Mace Tyrell. The other middle daughters had not attended, their husbands either unable to come or having duties that took their time. This left Lynesse his youngest daughter at his table, while his youngest sons (Gunthor and Humfrey) and middle son (Garth) were at the gathering crowd around the axe throwing, eager to get a chance to compete against the King or Lady Asha.Finding yourself drawn to the protector of the ancient heart of Westeros, you made your way over and made yourself known to the older Lord. Though your station placed you higher up in the social ladder normally, the Hightowers were wealthy, powerful, and an old family that predated the paramountcy of the Tyrell’s. So you approached the Lord and bowed your head, showing respect due to an ancient house, both too the Lord and His daughter. “Lord Leyton, might I join you and your lovely daughter? I find myself drawn to the calm and quiet of your corner of the hall.” You say, putting on all the charm you could. Being adequately charming and adequately handsome, while it may not open every door, served well when your request was innocent enough.Lord Leyton Hightower looked up from his meal, the Lord having been enjoying the main course while the feast separated into its current chaos “Ah, Lord Jason Lannister, of course please do take a seat. I’m surprised that the Heir of the Rock would pay a minor lord like myself a visit.”(Cont)
>>6389385You took your seat, nodding in thanks but then offering your own polite nicety. Respect was due, and it would be paid before any talks of any subject could be performed “Why would I not wish to speak to the head of such a respected family, and please do not treat me so highly, I still have many years before I take my father’s place. Until then, I am merely the spare that was needed.” You said with an easy smile, the humble statement foriegn to those used to Lannisters. Lord Hightower seemed interested, smiling back “Oh do not sell yourself short Lord Jason. I hear that you are quite the intelligent young man. That you discovered all the secrets of the rock in your boyhood, and have already begun planning great works such as that arm of stone in the Lannisport bay.”“Oh my brother, Lord Tyrion, is the intelligent one ser, I am merely well educated and focused. My maester saw my interest in blocks was a step beyond the norm, according to his words, and merely cultivated it. I owe him for all of my current skill.” You said, seeing the mention of education and the praise of your maester drawing Lord Hightower’s interest. “Though with your being so close to the citadel, I can only imagine the knowledge and skills you have been able to cultivate.” As you spoke, Lady Malora’s gaze lazily shifted to you, and then rested on you as if you were a fluttering piece of debris dancing in the light. The mild interest in the insignificant shift of the world. You gave her a smile “Hiw are you finding the festivities, Lady Malora? Have the lions managed to be adequate hosts?” You asked, mostly as a jest since the amount of thrones that had been spent on this tourney was enough to buy and sell many lesser houses across the 7 kingdoms. However, something shifted in Malora as you said the name of your sigil, and as you sent a smile her way. Her focus shifted, becoming sharper yet looking at something that was in your place, as if you were in the way of your own person. Then she smiled back at you, looking at you as a person for the first time “Oh most certainly Lord Jason, it has been a most entertaining and refreshing Tourney after such a harsh time, though the rebellion was brief.” She said, her arm rising from her lap to show thick sleeves hiding her hand. Then with a shake of her arm that seemed to jostle many arm bands, a Lion’s tooth as long as the length between the tip of her middle finger to her wrist slid from her sleeve. It dangled on a length of white metal, a kind unknown to you, as its tip brushed against the table “You however,” she said, drawing her father’s interested gaze as her tone seemed to shift “are far more humble than I would have imagined. The Pale Lion, does it rest to let the pride roar, or does it wait to carve the day with unseen claws..” She said, the smell of her incense seeming stronger but more pleasant.(Cont)
>>6389386You kept your expression the same, though internally you confirmed why Malora might be called the Mad Maid “I’m afraid My lady I don’t quite follow your meaning. I am simply a man surrounded by a talented family.” You said, choosing to respond as best as you can, still wondering where the epithet of Pale Lion came from.Lord Leyton’s gaze lingered in his daughter, watching the dangling Lion’s tooth swing and spin, until he saw something in its movement, some unknown portends beyond your perception. Him and his daughter shared a smile as Lord Leyton looked to you “I do apologize for my daughter, she has become fascinated with oddities and curios due to my friendship with the Arch Maester of the Higher Mysteries. He’s a charming, eccentric fellow.” He said, watching Malora placing the Lion’s fang and chain on the table and leaving it there. “Ah but enough of that, you came here for a reason doubt. Were you perhaps interested in the Citadel?”You nodded, happy to be on a proper subject “Oh very much so. I admit there had been thoughts when I was young of becoming a Maester, however my father forbade it even before I became his heir. He valued my presence in other matters,” you said, putting your father’s disdain at the idea of one of his children being a servant in the most polite way you could manage. “Still, I desire to visit its halls and perhaps delve in its knowledge.”“Then why not do so?” Malora asked, taking a sip of her wine and still staring at you as if you were in the way of something larger. “Ah, as the Heir to the rock, I must always be considering my future and the future of my house, and thus have no time for a ‘Personal’ trip as my father would describe it. Unless I could somehow dress the idea as a step forward for House Lannister, my father would never approve it.Lord Leyton, proving his experience as a Lord, was quick to pick up your meaning. “Ah, well that is unfortunate. I do respect Lord Tywin for his devotion to his family and the lessons of that virtue being given to his children, but I must admit he sounds like he forbids joy itself at times from the rumors I hear.”You let out a polite tactful laugh that said nothing but confirmed much.(Cont)
>>6389387“Hmm,” Lord Leyton said, before leaning over for his Daughter to whisper in his ear “You are in need of a Knight to help you earn your spurs do you not?” He said, his calculations forming in his mind “I heard from her majesty Queen Cersei during that, hm, little back and forth.”You nodded, a genuine solemn expression coming to your face “Yes, I squired for my Uncle Tygett for many years, but the Pox took him before I could earn my Spurs in his eyes. I fear at this wait I may remain a squire for the rest of my days.” You said, already seeing where Lord Leyton was going.“Well, with your marriage coming soon, and your desire to visit the citadel, I have a proposal. My son, Baelor, is a knight of some repute though as I get older I trust him with more and more of Old town’s running. So in an effort to build connections and friendships between the two great trading ports of the western coast, perhaps you could squire for my son for a time while also enjoying studies from the citadel. Your betrothed may also enjoy it, able to spend time with my daughters and even have access to the treasures of Dorne and Old Essoes.” Lord Leyton offered, smiling as he saw your control break for a genuine smile “Of course, in exchange I would love for you to help Oldtown, fortifying it against Ironborn attacks in the future much as you are doing for Lannisport.” He said.You considered it, an offer to study at the Citadel in exchange for a likely short squirship under Baelor Hightower and aiding the reinforcement of Oldtown. The idea had its allure, however it would require something “Would it be alright if I brought along my Twin, he is far more intelligent than me and would be able to help with the plans i have for your port immensely.” You say, seeing a nod from Leyton makes the deal all the more enticing.>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.>Decline Proposal, instead deferring to your fathers plans to have you forge your presence with your future banner men (Stay in the westerlands to begin building ties with your bannermen, getting a chance to begin finding your own men amongst the westerlands and beyond as events unfold.)
>>6389388>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.Well of course! We need to become a knight, obviously.
>>6389381I kekked seeing that list. Only one thing though. would put the dragons higher.
>>6389388>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.lol wow 2 links and a knighthood in only a year. Jason really is talented after all when utilized properly.
>>6389388>>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.What other link would we be going chaps? Warfare to go full siegemaster?
>>6389381Where would Asha be in that list ?>>6389388>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.hell yeah sounds great
>>6389399It would take two years, but to be fair Jason is already very afar along on Archtecture, his knight hood would be something he gains outside of combat at Baelor's whims, and he is also a noble with nothing but time to study for to get the second link.
Oh wait I just missed the fact that part of the deal is us fortifying Old Town against ironborn attacks. LOL Asha is gonna be mad and horrified. But they did agree to grant her port access, so I'm sure she is gonna love tearing up Essos and partying it up in Dorne. Asha is gonna love Dorne so much.Tyrion meanwhile will...hm. Maybe Tysha will calm him down and he'll just focus on his studies?>>6389402Ah so Baelor won't put him through his paces much but mainly focus on his defense works and command? I guess Asha is gonna have to do it instead. Well hopefully Baelor will at least help Jason learn to socialize properly or something.
>>6389403yeah, Jason is likely to gain his spurs from a bandit fight, or some protection of someone in town, or the like. Due to the peace that's coming, there is no war to really earn his spurs on.Plus, Knighthoods can just be given by any Knight
>>6389388>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.Asha can just make the Ironborn more like actual Vikings, who traded most of the time rather than raiding
>>6389388>>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.Ok, that's a good deal, and not a huge time investment, so definitely worth it. From there, already out from under Tywin's stifling attention, I think we could easily set sail for whatever we want to do.
>>6389388>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.>>6389398Targaryensisters DON'T LOOK!Everyone above Drogon except undead Viserion has an answer to this. Either that, or they're a meme. Honestly like half of them are memes.>>6389401>Where would Asha be in that list ?Upper B Tier, probably. My A tier qualification was "you have magic or beasts that put you above your weight class by a lot" (Dany, Myrcella, Stannis) or "you're acknowledged by the Realm as a dangerous foe" (Jaime, Eddard, Loras, and even fucking Gerold, the useless chuuni-ass edgelord). B Tier's qualification is largely being skilled enough to not get low-diffed by an A tier foe in 1v1.
>>6389403> LOL Asha is gonna be mad and horrifiedIt's really not much of a possibility for her to go raiding the kingdom if she's gonna keep being married to Jason. Well, at least until the war of the five kings starts - then she can go wild with that privateering.
>>6389400>What other link would we be going chaps? Warfare to go full siegemaster?I think I am evenly split between three ideas: >Warcraft>A second Architecture link >A curveball link to give us a sort of secret talent in the back pocket - I'm split on this between astronomy/astrology and medicine.
>>6389405Well she'll be married to Jason who can give her startup money and she'll be at a major trading port so...yeah actually not a bad idea. Along with opportunistic piracy. She can't go too far with it lest her port access get revoked but that is what Essos is for. We can even convince her to try it out by the fact she'll need an alibi for any goods via a trading company and her reavers will also serve as security forces. The blood spilled to defend also counts as the blood spilled to take so still iron price right?>>6389412She'll still be offended and secretly intimidated as an Ironborn. It's the principle of the thing you know?
>>6389415Concept: go into alchemistry so we can weaponize wilddfire. If our sister can get enough barrels to blow up half the city, we can get enough to use in war. We could do something like a ceramic sphere that is filled with the liquid and thrown in a catapult so it shatters on impact and goes kaboom.
>>6389403>Maybe Tysha will calm him down and he'll just focus on his studies?He only becomes an alcoholic horny goomba because of the Tysha Trauma. Now that he isn't experiencing that, he will probably be a lot more focused, balanced, and probably end up even MORE knowledgeable, I bet. >>6389412>privateeringWe should absolutely turn this into a business, basically a second gold mine. Even if WE aren't cool enough to pull heists we should... there is NO reason we can't tell the Ironborn 'bring us whatever blueprints or maps you can for enemy fortresses and keeps, even just ones owned by people supplying our enemies, and I will draw up step by step plans to infiltrate and plunder them which you can follow', then let THEM do the heisting. Suddenly those soggy, salty scoundrels are rappelling down walls or tunneling up from underground rivers we are able to determine the whereabouts of based on geology or climate to rob bitches blind.
>>6389420Alternatively, just use the damn barrels + sapping. Sapping is an extremely underrated method of siegebreaking. You dig under the walls, place a barrel of explosive and kaboom goes everything. You don't need to destroy the wall, just make a big-ass hole so gravity does the rest.
>>6389415We could always go full /x/ and get one in magic
Very clear winner, But I wanna sort of keep the momentum going so i'm gonna go ahead and do some quick votes to jump us forward a bit, since I don't feel like getting stuck.So first off, You will be going to Oldtown, Tywin can't deny this because the deal of a free knighthood from a reputable knight as well as setting up friendly ties with the Hightowers, who have the ear of Tyrells due to marriage, is appealing to him.However first comes the marriage between you and Asha, which I will be doing a actual post on but probably one.First Vote for thatWhat wedding day gift do you get Asha?>A Cog to captain, A high sided single sailed ship mostly useful for trade that can easily enter ports for loading and unloading, their design inherently difficult to board making them useful against pirates.>A Skiff to captain, a small vessel similar to to fishing vessels in technology, but designed to move faster than anything on the water and built to need a small crew (partially to keep Asha from disappearing with it at Tywin's request)>A set of high quality axes forged for her hands, perfectly balanced for throwing and close combat, decorated with Krakens and Lions dancing a weaving across the handles.>Other?
>>6389420>>6389423Thing is for the first idea, Wildfire can permeate pottery IIRC, which makes it... less than shelf stable. Unless we use glass containers for it, which might be a possibly viable option.For the second, we can sap walls without wildfire. Just set a regular fire down there to burn out the supports for the tunnel and it'll collapse without the magic napalm.
>>6389425>A set of high quality axes forged for her hands, perfectly balanced for throwing and close combat, decorated with Krakens and Lions dancing a weaving across the handles.
>>6389425>A Cog to captain, A high sided single sailed ship mostly useful for trade that can easily enter ports for loading and unloading, their design inherently difficult to board making them useful against pirates.And while we're studying in the citadel, she can get her captain career.>>6389426>Thing is for the first idea, Wildfire can permeate pottery IIRCThe wiki says it does so *eventually* - obviously, we weren't going to transport with it on the shells. They'd be on proper containers, and then poured into the shells at the time of the siege.
>>6389425Are we allowed to design the ship ourself? Of course, we wouldn't do the actual building ourselves, a whole ship is too much for one man to build in a year, no matter how small. But if we design it ourself, it can be a labor of love.
>>6389423You know sapping also works without kaboom? Weakening a foundation is quite effective.>>6389409Man those anti-Dragon weapons in the show were quite BS. The amount of training and calculations to pull of their trickshots are quite high.>>6389415Are we even allowed to get a second architecture link? Maybe a link in maths or economics? Also thanks for correcting me. It is indeed warcraft and not warfare.
>>6389426I will be down if you guys wanna play with the demon magic death fire, but keep in mind that Wildfire is definitely magic, definitely wants to kill you, and definitely maybe alive.Though that may just be my latent fear of wild fire talking. The book description of it terrifies me
>>6389429Oh yeah sure, that's a good idea.
>>6389431Don't wanna play with the fire. It's also a recipe monopolised by the Alchemists in kings landing right? Also your fear is something quite common. Napalms is something you do NOT want to be on the recieving end of.
>>6389403>Jason if you keep making this harder for me I am going to waterboard you.As long as it is JUST Oldtown that gets fortified and not the entire coast defended it'd probably be fine. >>6389408>taking the opportunity to go on a cruise instead of coming straight homeThe ass beating, it will be legendary. I wouldn't want to do it unless Tywin forces Sandor to come along with us, though. Just to be extra sure of our safety.>>6389412I was gonna say, once the houses start killing each other the raiding is back on the menu. Of course, there could be something to be said about people sucking up to Jason specifically to stop Ironborn attacks through fortifications if they think they're effective. And the other Ironborn are going to keep raiding and killing irregardless of what Asha is about unless she gets rulership. Which is still possible, but you never know. Euron is still gonna be a fuckass.>>6389415>jason asks about higher mysteries on a lark>learns magic spells solely so he can make better wallsDamn if it wouldn't be funny that Jason could learn to reforge Valyrian steel like some of the best smiths can. Magic's slowly growing stronger in Westeros again, I would be very amused by such a flight of fancy paying off. Wildfire is made with spells as well as alchemy. Who knows what other bullshit people can make.But being realistic and less silly, I'm actually thinking geology. Or geography. A mix of both. Nature's own qualities and movements that create natural chokepoints and fortifications. There are lessons to be learned there. Knowing land is a potentially valuable skill. And it translates into truly gargantuan scale earthworks. >>6389425>>A Cog to captain, A high sided single sailed ship mostly useful for trade that can easily enter ports for loading and unloading, their design inherently difficult to board making them useful against pirates.We can consider this an addition to the Lannister fleet. If (when) she outgrows it and decides to get something better suited to other activities. >>6389431t. The Hound
>>6389428That seems like a lot of steps to make on a campaign for the stuff that burns like napalm but worse and, IIRC, either lights on contact with air or is stable, but only about as stable as nitroglycerin.We'd need to bring alchemists on campaign if we want to do stuff like that, and I imagine alchemists EXPENSIVE, and even MORESO if you drag them out of their lab. I say that we set up glassmaking instead and have them put it into glass ampoules. It'd limit it to smaller payloads, but be a whole hell of a lot safer.It has the side benefit of giving the Westerlands a new luxury business to help offset our waning gold industry, and of course we can always just stick a dozen ampoules in place of a larger container. Wrap them in cotton so they don't go off before contact, and then when it lands the cotton will possibly delay the reaction to help deny the area for longer.
>>6389425>A Skiff to captain, a small vessel similar to to fishing vessels in technology, but designed to move faster than anything on the water and built to need a small crew (partially to keep Asha from disappearing with it at Tywin's request)Our getaway ship and also means we would have a hangout spot away from prying eyes. (Totally not an excuse to train if we are going to do the badshit thing of going to Valyria.
>>6389425>>A Cog to captain, A high sided single sailed ship mostly useful for trade that can easily enter ports for loading and unloading, their design inherently difficult to board making them useful against pirates.>Designed ourselves, with a mind more towards stability, comfort, and durability than speed or cargo capacity. It's our first ship design, we wouldn't want it falling apart on us, would we?
>>6389425>Give her a pair of fine throwing axes, well balanced for throwing and chopping, and engraved on the flat of the blade with a depiction of Lions and Krakens intertwined.>They are hers to use as she will, but their true purpose for this day is to cut the ribbon on a new sort of trading ship that is hers to captain. Like the cog, it is primarily a vessel to move freight, with all the lovely things that make pirate boarding difficult. However it's masts and sails take from the Swan Ships of the Summer Islands, able to catch the wind from greater angles than the square sails of most Westerosi Vessels. >It's name: The Kraken's Daughter.
>>6389425>Write-in >Designs for a mighty flagship, relying on the castle Maester and Tyrion to help in areas where we lack, as well as notes from the finest shipwrights in Lannisport and King's Landing. We can fund it's construction when we get to Oldtown, since we will be there for two years, and when it is time for us to leave we will do so on her vessel.
>>6389431>>6389433A stupid idea I had just now that will never happen is using wildfire to power a high pressure steam engine. Surely this would have no consequences whatsoever.In all honesty, the only way I can think of our boy getting the idea would be a visit to Winterfell's hotsprings and getting a brainblast about "Can I use steam to move things?" but that would be a long way off.
Really hope our wedding gift isn't a ship she can't use for raiding or a pair of axes we will replace when we finally score Valyrian steel....
>>6389434>The ass beating, it will be legendary. I wouldn't want to do it unless Tywin forces Sandor to come along with us, though. Just to be extra sure of our safety.I mean, I would say we should pitch it via Raven maybe, it just doesn't seem at all unreasonable to want to do what seemingly the majority of noble heirs do between the age of 16 and 30... And it's definitely my hope Sandor will be there, I will be pushing for his inclusion the first chance we get. He is wasted on Joffrey, the snot has Kingsguard already.
>>6389429I'll support this. Preferably a flagship made of ironwood or tradeship I guess if we cannot manage.
>>6389442>A stupid idea I had just now that will never happen is using wildfire to power a high pressure steam engine.We don't have the materials necessary to do this
>>6389447that's why I said "that will never happen". it's literally right there anon,
>>6389443One of the best ships you can use for piracy is a merchant vessel. You can usually use it to sail right up to another merchant vessel without arousing suspicion, board the ship under guise of talks and then immediately set upon the other crew. If you kill them all, no one can tell of a false ship back at port. Clearly I have a plan and am not just talking out of my ass. >>6389445I fear that asking for permission is just begging Tywin to say no. Perhaps if this outing goes particularly well he will see the value in sending Jason to certain houses. >joffreyWell the reason why Sandor gets sent his way is because there are only seven Kingsguard. So it's common practice to have personal bodyguards besides them if you aren't explicitly the king. Even if you are the royal family. But yes, Sandor is wasted on Joffrey and Tywin should just hire another psychopath to tend to his retard grandson instead of sending the Hound. But Cersei is going to demand Sandor's presence most likely. So who knows how that will shake out.
>>6389435Issue with glass ampouls. Wildfire is so stupidly reactive that if it ages too much sunlight will ignite it. Wildfire wants to kill you, and only wants to kill you more the longer it exists. they have to keep it stored buried in claypots, buried in sand, deep underground until the air is chilled.
So it's looking like Cog is currently winning the vote, which will of course be designed by you as a show of your affection.Next, will Jason attempt to Consummate the marriage on his wedding night?>Yes>No
>>6389461>Yes, if Asha is willing
>>6389461>YesDamn, I cannot believe it took that long. Poor Asha. Gotta give the girl credit for trying. That leve of dense though...sheesh.
>>6389461>Yes>>6389462Anon, there would be a higher chance of Jason not being willing than Asha.
>>6389461>YesBut I think Asha is going to be the one taking the lead lol.
>>6389461>>YesOpen thine portcullis
>>6389461>Yes, if Asha is willing.>>6389429>>6389439And if I may add one shipbuilding innovation to the cog in partiuclar that I forgot to mention;>Cog designed by us with a copper-sheathed bottom to prevent fouling and act as a natural weight to keep her steady.Copper's more expensive than good wood, but far cheaper than good iron or steel. It's also one of the first real innovations to shipbuilding there is for medieval-style/early Age of Sail ships.>>6389452Dang. Glass ampoule, wrapped in a sewn leather satchel with padding to keep the sun out and prevent bumping it from going off?Whatever the solution, it'd require testing for later.
>>6389381lmao, this is great>>6389425>Other?A secret tunnel to a hidden shrine of the Drowned God amongst the cliffs of Casterly Rock, looking out across the sea.Like I mentioned earlier in the quest, it would be a place where she can truly have privacy and be by herself if she so chooses. Where her prayers are hers, and hers alone.Although, if it wouldn't be expensive, then maybe Jason could provide her with this as well as one of the other options.>>6389461Yes
>>6389461>Yes
Consummation voted for, alrighty.How does Asha get taken to bed?>By westerosi tradition, carried by the men while you are carried by the women.>You and her walk to the bed, denying the nobles the tradition. >You picking Asha up once the night is ready anc carrying her over your shoulder.>Other
>>6389461>Cog is currently winning the vote, which will of course be designed by you as a show of your affection.Can we get her the custom axes as well? Loved the imagery of them Consummate the marriage on his wedding night?>YesBeyond that, I wonder if we could try and use steam power or gun powder for something. Do both even exist?
>>6389494>>You picking Asha up once the night is ready and carrying her over your shoulder.Let's practice for it by lifting heavy stuff and let her wonder what we're doing it for, lmao. Just do something like, "And now I must bid you all, a goodnight!" and then grab her and run before everyone else can get her.Although I admit that it would be fun to do the other way around, we can save that for the honeymoon.
>>6389494>You picking Asha up once the night is ready anc carrying her over your shoulder.
>>6389494Hm...have to consider her ambitions. So Westerosi is off limits. Would be getting picked up by us strike her out among the Ironborn or not? I know there is a specific Ironborn marriage tradition...>OtherAsha's choice. As she won't choose something that will harm her ambitions and minimize the impact to Jason. As PriorityOr if its safe>You picking Asha up once the night is ready anc carrying her over your shoulder.
>>6389497I'd imagine it's a yes for both but as a lost Valyrian curiosity that never took off and a foreign item from... Yi Ti was the china expy, right? Used for fireworks.
>>6389494>You picking Asha up once the night is ready anc carrying her over your shoulder.DO.NOT.BE.GENTLE.WITH.HER
>>6389494>By westerosi tradition, carried by the men while you are carried by the women.
>>6389494>You picking Asha up once the night is ready anc carrying her over your shoulder.>>6389500I say that by designing the ship, Jason could sneak out and "help" carrying some of the wood would be a good training. Or we can even just go and ask for some sack of wheat or something and we just train lifting it up.The ship options let us have an excuse of "By us actually working on it aside of just designing it, it makes it more valuable", the wheat sack one would make us look dumb even if Asha founds us in one of the secret passages lmao
>>6389494>You picking Asha up once the night is ready and carrying her over your shoulder.>>6389504>lost Valyrian curiosity that never took off and a foreign item from Yi Ti You’re probably right about both of those. I think the best case for us is to invent proto-railways linked to the gold mines under the Rock.Historically they emerged in Germany in the 1550s to facilitate the transport of ore tubs to and from mines, using primitive wooden rails and either human or pony motive power.
Picking up asha wins, Gonna start writing
>>6389506I don't think that's gonna be a problem anon. Like ever. Even Jason understands Asha doesn't respond to that.>>6389510Don't forget lifting stone blocks while building those defenses, he agreed to do.
>>6389511What would be really fun is inventing a fuckass ascending sled. What you do is put a gear on the bottom that ratchets one direction so it can be pulled one way when under load but when nothing heavy is placed in it it can rotate freely. You can do this with springs or with iron or steel braces that flex slightly when under heavy weight but push back when sufficient weight is removed. Then you put this contraption onto a few wheels and you've got a sled that can be pulled up along a slope and won't roll back down if you let go. Bonus points is that the process of this requires no input from the one pulling it. It'd also make a loud clanking and clicking noise as it rolls. Though it'd take a bit more effort to pull it as the teeth slide over the sloped portion of the gear.What use is this in place of just having a crank with a locking pin in it? None. But it would be fun to make. And it might be useful for moving around corners and winding paths where ropes might snag or fray.
>>6389494>>You picking Asha up once the night is ready anc carrying her over your shoulder.Sure, maybe we can surprise her a little(:
>>6389531Show off that the ship is hers by carrying her through the entire city straight onto the boat.
>>6389494>You picking Asha up once the night is ready and carrying her over your shoulder.I figure Jason is passive enough to where this will absolutely catch her off guard.
>>6389430>Are we even allowed to get a second architecture link?I suppose the QM could veto this but I don't see why not, some Maesters rack up half a dozen or more links in a single material as they specialize further and further.
>>6389510One of the greatest boxers of the modern era got his ass beat by a guy who built his fundamentals by wailing on a sack of potatoes in a barn. With that in mind, I absolutely approve of training via manual labor.
>>6389538Hey man, don't underestimate potatoes. They can see every punch coming.
>>6389539I wouldn't call a tater smart, but by god are they hearty and persistent.
>>6389494>OtherBANG WITH HER RIGHT THERE ON THE ALTAR
>>6389542Hello, based department?
>>6389542>Tywin status: fuming
>>6389542>Jason "Squid-Shagger" Lannister
>>6389542...Honestly, that DOES sound like the most Ironborn thing to do.
>>6389551At the very least I think she'll appreciate that Jason is man enough to not let some other men carry her to bed. Tywin, however, is going to be annoyed for not abiding by tradition. Damn dude Jason has received genuine praise from hid dad only once in his life. Maybe all he needs is some goddamn positive reinforcement.
>>6389552>Maybe all he needs is some goddamn positive reinforcement.Well he's not gonna get that from Tywin or Cersei, so maybe some time away from our immediate family is for the best in the long run.
>>6389553>>6389552To be fair, even fucking Jaime and Tyrion never bothered to give Jason any good advice or praise. Otherwise, Asha wouldn't have waited until the wedding to finally get laid despite her best efforts or been the only one who noticed how freakishly strong his talent for building actually was. I honestly feel sorry for her. I mainly blame Tyrion though because seriously man wtf. Even Tyrion ultimately looked down on Jason when you get down to it. Asha is ultimately the first one who seriously considered Jason.Seriously getting away from them would be the best thing for him especially realizing he has actual talent and value.
>>6389554Jaime always took the time to help Jason with his sword play, and was a good elder brother to both Jason and Tyrion.Tyrion always helped Jason with the studies he had issue with, and is one of his biggest aides when enacting Jason's projects.Jason may not have a perfect family life, but his brothers did right by him where they could.
>>6389553For real. Imagine if Jason managed to broker an alliance between the Tyrells and the Lannisters somehow through the Hightowers. He'd make it back home and Tywin would say some shit like "And you thought it wiser to tell me in person rather than send a raven to inform me sooner?". What a fucking prick. At least our actual uncles and aunts are okay.>>6389554Nah brothers just be like that, they don't gas you up that way. They'll love you and have your back for anything but they ain't gonna tell you "nice job". That's what dads are supposed to do.
>>6389558So they were somehow both completely blind to his talent and complete inability to women? Okay a bit more understandable but damn. Especially you, Tyrion, you could at least have taken him to a whorehouse or something damn.>>6389559If we do succeed in knocking up Asha with a boy and arrange a betrothal with Margaery I could still see that happening yeah.I don't mean in gassing up but more in noticing the strengths and weaknesses of Jonas.
>>6389562Have you considered that the only reason Asha noticed was because of serendipity? If Jason hadn't asked her about sea-raiding, something she is educated and knowledgeable about, she would never have noticed how quick Jason can be? Now compare that to Jaime and Tyrion. Tyrion who is smart, but does not have a particular interest in architecture or warfare in general, and Jaime who is basically a himbo that is only truly good at swinging his sword around. They wouldn't have the proper framework to compare it to like Asha did. It's not a question of "Why weren't they good enough to notice?" and is in fact a question of "Were they equipped to notice to begin with?". Because the maester also saw it, because he also had the framework of knowledge necessary to see the burgeoning interest in Jason's youth. It feels more like you're asking the fish why it can't catch the swallow in the clouds.
>>6389504Not much use in having a boil water machine, when you can send daily thousands of slaves in your lava-adjacent and air poisoned, evil ass mines and get all the riches of the earth you want.Yi Ti could probably use gunpowder, but they seem to have gone in more than one warring states period. Judging by the all the change of dynasties they had. Maybe they invented it and then lost it.
>>6389569>Not much use in having a boil water machine, when you can send daily thousands of slaves in your lava-adjacent and air poisoned, evil ass mines and get all the riches of the earth you want.Based and CHORF-pilled.
>>6389569Don't forget unleashing a literal blood curse plague and pissing off the gods so hard they smited your entire empire off the face of the planet with an ongoing volcanic eruption lasting hundreds of years. Which based on how the gods hold grudges, will last millennia. >>6389568Fair enough.
>>6389574Don't forget the fucked up fetus faced firewyrms that existed pre doom. Valyria wasn't a nice place to be
>>6389574>pissing off the gods so hard they smited your entire empire off the face of the planetThis is what happens when you do not temper your love of rocks with true faith in the gods. Don't worship stones, people. Oh and combination regicide and fratricide, don't do that.
>>6389575It was definitely a special kind of hellhole even pre doom. Really only comparable to that one jungle continent full of plagues and dinosaurs in terms of how fucked it is.>>6389577Don't forget all the blood magic and mass human sacrifice. The hellish mines were on the milder side of things all things considered.
>>6389581It'd be very funny if Jason tries to colonize Sothoryos.
>>6389583Oh yeah, can't forget that Valaryian slavery spawned the Faceless Men from their shit ass death mines
>>6389581>>6389583Who doesn't love a good basilisk snipe hunt?
The plan had been set, as a form of Honeymoon as well as to cap off certain things that a young man of your age are expected to have, you and Asha would go to Old Town. There she would be free of Tywin’s gaze and you would be able to expand your knowledge as you desired. It took some wording, and you know your father understood your ulterior motives, but also knew that this was a move that could aid the family, and that Asha was well aware of the dangers of trying to escape back to the Iron isles. So he reluctantly agreed, though he did determine that it was best to send a guard with you, choosing Sandor to do it. The hound seemed rather put out for basically being assigned to baby sit you, but it was not much different from his normal mood. In the coming months things moved towards the next stage of your life.Jason’s Sea wall was constructed, a new piece of lannisport that promised to help prevent any future ironborn raid from touching the port. Though this claim would remain untested for a time, all the same the people began to attach the epithet of “The Builder” to Jason’s name, something he appreciated and heard more of as his plans for the coastal defenses he devised to make the westerland coast too much trouble to raid, though it was take years to accomplish a project of this scale and no matter what the proximity of the Iron Isles would always attract their greed. Still, the worse it was for them, the less they would commit to it when the North or the Reach were prime raiding targets.As the day of your Wedding with Asha approached, she found you wandering off often, disappearing into the tunnels of the Rock only to reappear when the sun was setting. You played coy, giving half answers when she tried to interrogate you, withholding your answer even when she threatened and then used physical violence. Once she found that you would not break, she gave up and decided to be patient, with you hoping that your plans would win her appreciation.The wedding came, and it was the standard affair for a Westerosi wedding funded and planned by Tywin Lannister. It was grand, it was expensive, and it was meant to flex the power and wealth of the house in a way to bully the lesser houses of the Westerlands and also live up to the occasion of the King and Queen visiting. While Cersei had attempted to feign some illness or play down the need to attend, Robert had decided to go to mostly spite his wife but to also visit Jason and Asha.(Cont)
>>6389589Asha was surprised to find that the king that had struck down the iron Isles and made her father capitulate was so quick to warm up to her, and even more surprised when she found herself warming up to him, however thanks to her Iron Isle ways she adapted quickly, understanding it as Robert being a powerful man worth the glory and respect. The wedding was loud and full of feasts and gifts. You were given books, trinkets, a well made sword commissioned by King Robert with golden lions decorating it cross guard, that you gratefully strapped to your hip, ready to carry it always. The King also got a set of hand axes made for Asha, fine steel decorated with black iron tentacles and a karken’s shape hugging the axe blades. You swore you saw Asha lose her voice and have a genuine smile she had not meant to show.After that, the night went on as it always does for weddings. People ate and drank as they prepared themselves for the tradition, the one you heard stories of. Where Men would carry Asha to your wedding bed, removing her clothes as they did so, while the invited women would do the same to you. It was a tradition you had hated from the mere mention, you found it uncomfortable and distasteful. So, you had made a plan.Whilst a final serving of boar was brought in, delighting the guests as they readied themselves for the coming frenzy, you stood up with a smile on your face “Lords and Ladies, I thank you for attending this glorious day, for helping me celebrate the fortune of marrying the Lady Asha Greyjoy, and her becoming my Lovely Lady Lannister.” You said, watching as the guests prepared themselves. You also saw Asha pulling a knife from her wedding dress, her shoulders bearing the golden wedding shroud of House Lannister. “Now, I believe it is time for us to retire, enjoy the meal and our hospitality. Lady Asha, come with me.” You said, the final part demanded as the first part confused the guests. Asha looked up to you, then yelled out indignantly as you picked her up, far too easily for her expectations as she was thrown over your shoulder. Before she could react, you then broke out into a sprint, a smile on your face as you took your bride from the wedding feast, the guests sounding their confusion and disappointment, save for Robert who laughed loudly at the apparent eagerness of you to consummate your marriage.(Cont)
>>6389590You did not go to your wedding bed though, you slipped instead into one of the hidden passages, Asha on your shoulder as you carried her and she decided to wait and see where this went. And where it went was the old docks of Casterly rock carved into the cliff, deep and secure and hidden. There, you entered the smell of sea water and wood, and Asha turned and froze as she saw it.“I spent time helping construct it, though I’ll admit my contributions were minimal compared to the workers. Yet I helped, and used the excuse to build up my strength to carry you to your marriage bed.” You said, stepping onto the gangplank up onto the ship, the sail decorated with a Lion but the railings carved in the fashion of Kraken tentacles. Iron and gold mixed with the decorations, treated so the Iron would not rust.The silence of the hidden dock was interrupted as you pushed in the door that lead to the captain’s quarters, where a fully furnished room lit with candle light, stocked with wine, and small foods to snack on, the bed ready. Bringing her in, she saw the whole thing, and seemed to ready herself, when you looked at her “This is your ship, Captain Asha.” You said, placing her down on her feet and placing her so you were between her and the bed and she was between you and the door. “Your ship, your marriage bed.” You said, taking her hands in yours, smiling up to her "You would have let me take you to that bed, but it’s not my bed to take you to. So, Will you let me take you to your bed Captain Asha, or will you be taking me?” You asked, smiling at her warmly, though your own awkwardness and hesitation lingered in the back of your front, something Asha seemed to notice.Asha shared the space with you, a contemplative silence taking hold as she seemed to take in everything around her. You take her here by force, to a ship you had helped carve and shape just for her, the gift of the sea returned to her even if that freedom may prove limited. She seemed to consider everything, then settled her eyes on you, her gaze soft.Then she kicked you in the chest and sent you to the bed, the wind knocked out of you as the sound of cloth tearing was heard, Asha removing her wedding dress quickly and efficiently “You really are a weird greenlander,” she said with a hungry smile, landing naked atop you and placing the knife at your collar "There's a bit of iron in there deep down.” She said, before she began to cut away your clothes, and soon began your wedding night.(Part one)
>>6389592+1000000 Asha DispositionIt's really nice to see you managing to work in the other gift in an interesting way, and I'm glad that my writein was taken. Also nice to see Jason on his way to getting that "the Sealion" title. Carrying off his wife to consummate the marriage on a ship he built for her is some fairytale stuff.
>>6389601A happy marriage? In Westeros? Next you'll tell me there are direwolves in Dorne!
>>6389592Man robert really does turn out to be such a bro, unlike our bitch of a sister. Also Asha finally gets what she wants on her own boat. Jason really knows how to flirt with a Ironborn woman. Guess he must of have learned over the past year.>>6389607To be fair, Jason is oddly compatible with Asha. I would argue they are more of a power couple even. By the seven what will happen when Jason learns about siegecraft and Asha drags him out for some 'fun'.
>>6389608Fellas, get you a woman that will tell the cashier you asked for no pickles. What are the odds people who meet Jason and Asha are confused at how they seem to be happy despite seemingly being nothing alike. Will the rumors say he has a golden cock or that she's secretly made of seafoam and not seasalt? I wonder if Tywin is ever going to think "Jason is like Tytos if he wasn't a 'complete' loser". I also wonder if that thought won't cause him to shit himself in pure fury.
>>6389615The day Tywin doesn't think of his father or an analogy to him as weak is the day the seven hells freeze over
>>6389592So i wanted to roll for children here, but I think I'll save that for later so Jason has soem freedom in what he can do.For this next part, we'll go through his time in Oldtown.jason will acquire his Link, A red gold link, for Construction and Architecture.What will his second link be?>Steel: Weapons, blacksmithing, and material sciences>Iron: Warcraft>Copper: History>lead: Languages (Learn multiple languages)>Silver: Medicine and human anatomy>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)
>>6389589>though he did determine that it was best to send a guard with you, choosing SandorFucking BASED
>>6389622>Steel: Weapons, blacksmithing, and material sciences>Iron: WarcraftEither or
>>6389622Ooh, that's a tough. Not sure whether I prefer Iron, Silver, or Valyrian steel. The latter is obviously the "protagonist" option.
>>6389622>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG
>>6389622>Iron: WarcraftLikely specializing in defense and siegeworks since this is Jason we are talking about.Eh roll for children anyway. Need a heir ASAP and right now its not like we are doing a lot of big stuff. Plus that is what nurse maids and Uncle Tyrion + Auntie Tysha are for! I need that heir ASAP for my plans to work out properly.>>6389615Westerosi likely have no clue. Dornish would have suspicions but also rather confused given the contrast. Only one who would have a clue is the Queen of Thorns because of what Cersei did which would give her some clues. Just imagine the rumors though yeah, there would be a ton of them. Everywhere. Ironborn, Greenlander, and Dornish.Jason reminding him of the Laughing Lion is why Tywin hates him so much. Even though word is finally spreading of his talent in building. Tywin just cannot shake that image out of his head. He grudgingly let Jason go, barely because even Old Town was interested in that offer and barely allowed us to escape his grasp. Giving all three of us breathing room for the next two years.The truth about the relationship dynamic between Jason and Asha won't come out until a war breaks out. When the synergy of aggressive warmastery of Asha with the defensive mastery of Jason makes everyone else collectively scream in terror. That kind of duo command and synergy is the stuff of the greatest of nightmares in any war or battle.
Rolled 20 (1d100)>>6389626Also, just for funsies, let me roll a 1d100 to see what the kid would have been like if we did roll
>>6389626>>6389627Never know when you'll encounter magic and need to have a hint of wtf
>>6389629Well, I guess it wouldn't have happened anyway. Good! This gets the bad luck outta the way for the real roll.
>>6389630True, that. I don't particularly want Jason to be some Sun Tzu mastermind anyway...>>6389622>Valyrian Steel
>>6389622>>Steel: Weapons, blacksmithing, and material sciencesCopper/lead/silver are things we can outsource with a normal maester, so that leaves it a tossup between Steel, Iron, and Valyrian Steel. Higher Mysteries/magic/unknown sciences would be !!Fun!! and Warcraft/Iron would be nice for honing our natural skills... but a steel link synergizes REALLY well with construction and architecture. Instead of having to commission a new project and go "no, like this, no, a little to the left", we can avoid being the bane of engineers (as all architects are) by becoming our own engineer. That, and we can just consult with Asha and possibly others we may gain for warcraft. I really, REALLY want to be the first owner of an ironclad, artillery-armed (torsion ballistae) ship on the sea, because that's a flex that will not only cement us as "The Sealion" but also as a genius. Hell, I'd even take copper-bottomed with no iron.
>>6389622>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)Time to grind riverland peasants into Mortar to make a second Harrenhal that won't get melted and cursed by dragon fire
>>6389622>>Iron: WarcraftSo tempted by some of our other options, but if there's anything I know about Westeros, it's that there is always a war coming. No matter how much we disrupt the timeline, there are gonna be big ones coming down the pipe. I won't be mad if we end up going with magic or languages though.
>>6389637>I really, REALLY want to be the first owner of an ironclad, artillery-armed (torsion ballistae) ship on the sea, because that's a flex that will not only cement us as "The Sealion" but also as a genius. Hell, I'd even take copper-bottomed with no iron.I have your back on this, though I suspect a Warcraft link will still help move us in this direction, albeit a touch less than a Metallurgy link.
>>6389622>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)I like this because I know almost jack shit about ASOIAF but the general lore and what magic does in that world it's really interesting. But if it doesn't get many votes then I'll go with>Steel: Weapons, blacksmithing, and material sciences>Iron: Warcraft>lead: Languages (Learn multiple languages)The first two because I think it's interesting that Jason widens his knowledge about war and the material sciences would be useful for what he already knows. But the lead link would also make him a great diplomat.For how Jason has been acting, I think he has some good qualities for that: Aside from some simple subtleties and some obvious charisma, he has been acting like a chameleon, using logic to approach Asha at first (Not pitying her), using some knowledge of how she acted to understand the Iron born mentality, but also showing some flexibility, by following her customs and also to approach Lord Leyton to not only secure a place on the Citadel to study but also to get a job, and surely make some friendship with Lord Leyton that he gets not by being a Lannister, but by being Jason himself.Also, if the idea for the long run is to surround ourselves with great people this would help. Jason would be not only a noble, but could turn into a prolific adventurer arround the world, adopting cultures and making friends in the process
My idea behind the magic study would be that they'd be useful if we were to join gerion's journey to recover BrightroarI mean, even Tywin himself *failed* to secure a replacement for the Lannister valyrian sword. Owning it would be some massive brag rights.
>>6389622>Steel: Weapons, blacksmithing, and material sciencesMaterial sciences definitely has me interested.
>>6389622>Steel: Weapons, blacksmithing, and material sciencesEasily
I know I have been, more than other anons, a sperg about architectural crime and burglary. That said, I will continue to do so when I mention that in his book, Geoff Manaugh (an architect) describes a conversation with a former burglar who confessed to having autistically memorized so much of his city's fire code that by looking at fire escapes and the exterior dimensions of buildings, he could determine: >Which emergency exits had alarms >The size and of interior rooms>The general layout of interior rooms based on their size Which he used to determine which apartments would be the best to break into and how to do so the most easily. He goes on to talk about using construction firm websites to learn about the materials different targets were made out of in order to decide what tools to use, if he decided to go through walls or needed to avoid doing so. Even without a Warcraft link, just by having one in Architecture paired with his current talents, I think Jason will be able to develop a similar ability to appraise and determine weaknesses. I don't know if this will make him a 'Sun Tzu Mastermind' as one anon put it kek, but I suppose this is to say that it will be difficult to make a wrong choice with this vote, and the benefit of a quick link in our chosen field is likely to pay high dividends already. Our sea wall project is like just a teenager's whim and it has hoes calling us The Builder(tm).
>>6389657I don't care about stealing because as a Lannister the only thing left to take that we couldn't already buy is>Valyrian steel shit (see post about Brightroar)>Power and Titles (the family tradition, can only be stolen through warfare or marriage, but not literally stolen)
>>6389619The good news is, if we ever want to piss Tywin off, we can laugh in his face. We may even give him a brain aneurysm if it's at his expense. >>6389626Dude fuckin real. I can't choose between Steel, Silver, or Valyrian steel. I imagine with knowledge of anatomy and medicine that Jason will start to think "My body is a temple" is more literal than it should be. After all, much like a wall you CAN build a body. As much as I want to Not Ask How Big The Room Is, I can't help but feel the call of metallurgy. Imagine, new formula for high hardness steel, coupled with an understanding of material density, a new set of extra-tough chisels along with heavier hammers that take up no more space. Facilitates mining better than pickaxes in more cramped spaces. A new steel blend to use to commission a suit of armor that is stronger, but no heavier, for Sandor to help him withstand the Mountain's blows. New designs for crossbows and shields to outfit a personal guard regiment. Maybe even a type of plate armor that has quick release functionality to be worn when at sea so that if you get thrown overboard you have a chance to free yourself before you're dragged down to the depths, which would be huge in terms of protection at sea.>>6389628And it's entirely Tywin's fault Jason turned out the way he did. And he will never accept that. Maybe if we hit him over the head with a hammer a few times. >>6389648There's also this, perhaps knowing of magic and genuinely believing in it unlike most Westerosi nobility would give Jason a few special interactions on a journey like this. Maybe not enough to find Brightroar, but enough to ensure that Gerion isn't lost at sea. Maybe even actually make it to Valyria, so that Euron can suck his own dick at being one of the few to have sailed there and back, allegedly. We'd certainly learn quite a bit about magic along the trip with Gerion even if he bids us return before he makes his final, ill-fated voyage. If not things in practice then in theory from the stories told of the sorceries of the lands. Though, damn would I not actually want to take that trip lmao shit's scary. But also the potential of learning spells which we might apply to constructions or projects in the future. The temptations whispers in my ear like the devil himself. The fucking green goblin mask is speaking to me.>>6389657Hey man we all have our special interests. Shine on.
>>6389662Brightroar is a cool ass sword, even if we're pretty mediocre, just the fact that Tywin wasn't able to secure one but we were would make it worth the risk.And also we'd totally be the one to wield it, obviously. We're the future Lord Lannister so it's ours. Tywin can't steal that accomplishment no matter what he does.
>>6389663If we did manage to find Brightroar, and for somereason Tyrion marries while Tywin is still alive, we should totally cut his wedding cake with itCause that would cause tywin to clench his ass so hard, he'd be drawn into himself and die.
I'm count 5 v steel over 4 steel. Valeryian steel wins! At least i thinkj so
>>6389660I think that's fair, but it's my understanding that a lot of the most impressive and successful thieves in history were already very financially secure and in some cases quite rich to begin with, which is where you get the trope of millionaire burglars like Thomas Crown or the guys from Ocean's; it's personality disorder shit, and being financially stable is what allows the greats to actually hone the skills needed to excel at it. If I see an opportunity to write-in a lick in our travels (some merchant's tower or a lesser lord's vault), I will, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't wanna start another big discourse on it, I think it'll come up or not, but regardless of whether Jason is personally involved in any heists I think it's obvious that he should eventually make a habit of PLANNING them based on his knowledge of castles or fortifications, and sell those plans to guys like the Ironborn or just bandit gangs in order to fund his own pet projects while making our house's enemies miserable. It's an interesting and highly useful way to leverage this talent of ours.
>>6389665The Wizard of Casterly Rock
>>6389665Not a bad outcome at all. Bran The Builder didn't leave his mark on history JUST with his architectural prowess... He used Magic. And we maybe won't be doing anything as flashy as erecting cliffs of ice, but what if we find a way to reinforce walls and doors against wights or something? If the builders of Harrenhall had understood the mechanics of dragon fire, it may still be standing... This will also be useful for strengthening our ties with Leyton and Malora!
>>6389663>jason wields brightroar>at some point gets his ass kicked and nearly killed and disarmed>suddenly asha interrupt and she uses brightroar to turbomurderfuck the assailantHot stuff. But the voice in the back of my ehad is screaming at me that we should loan it out to Sandor in the future and let him use it to kill his brother. It is going to happen. I have been fiending over this goddamn fight forever. But no show Tywin lets Jason have it. He would take it, as the rightful head of the house. And he would probably work extra hard to get Jaime out of the Kingsguard SOMEHOW, so that Jaime can wield Brightroar and Tywin can cream his fucking jorts over his power fantasy being fulfilled. >>6389665Well I am glad my indecision prevented a tie kek shit's rad either way. Besides, maybe in the future we can get even more honorary links. Who knows.>>6389669>jason starts putting sigils on shit everywhere>everyone thinks he's gone mental until a wall he doodled on straight up parries a boulder hurled from a trebuchetRoyal Guard that shit dawg.
>>6389665I count 4 V-steel then 3 for steel, then one for Iron, one "Iron or Steel" and one "Iron, silver, or Valyrian steel".That's like... almost a threeway tie. Might want to let it sit for a bit longer, but then again I am a bit biased because my preferred option is losing here.
>>6389622>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)GIVE ME MY MAGIC
>>6389673AH HELL NAH>>6389665Changing my vote in >>6389647 to only vote for Valerian Steel
>>6389676you... do know that even with my conservative count that you don't need to specify anything because V.steel is already getting a lot of votes and you said "I'll take this as long as it gets support"
>>6389677Hey, just to make sure!
>>6389671>I have been fiending over this goddamn fight forever.Cannot express my hype for getting on the Cleganebowl train. With him and Tyrion in our burgeoning inner circle now, I have the pokemon-catching urge to wonder about who next we might bring into the fold. I don't know a lot about who is hanging around Oldtown these days. We may befriend Leyton or certain Archmaesters, but we need someone that is ultimately still low enough on the totem pole to be willing to join our retinue, yet exceptional enough to be a get. With Asha and Sandor I would say we have muscle mostly covered. Wouldn't be bad to rope in one more killer, maybe someone with a more exotic skill set like a Dothraki or someone like Oberyn(?). Not a pressing issue. We'll need a Maester to advise us and tutor our kids, that isn't sworn to stay at a specific keep like most of them are. Oldtown is definitely the place for that. Maybe we should see if QM introduces an OC one, or just be thinking of who is out there. We will also want an 'intelligence officer' or spymaster, I'm sure. I'd like to get a Warg in our group. There might be one in Oldtown, and maybe Jason will take an interest in the phenomenon as he studied magic? I think it would make for a good 'secret weapon', and a Warg that is able to enter the mind of a rat or ferret would actually be quite useful for someone doing a construction project. A Warg that can enter the mind of a shark or marlin would be quite useful to a privateer vessel and its crew. We will definitely be doing both. How do other anons feel about this? Am I insane?
>be Autist>go for magicThis fucking quest
>>6389683Malora was nice to us. Ergo, as a fellow Autist, it is our sacred duty to attempt to befriend her through a shared hyper fixation, this being magic and occult horseshit
>>6389683There are two types of ASOIAF power fantasy. Getting in on the ground floor with magic before it becomes big again, and introducing new and interesting technology to the setting. Both are cringe but because I voted for the latter, it is less cringe.
>>6389683>Not wanting to unlock the secrets of the Drowned and Old Valyria both>Not wanting to create fortifications and great works with a flick of our wrist>Not wanting to be the Wizard to complement our wife's Fighter
alrightty, valyrion steel link achieved. Tywin will not be happy but you certainly areYour teacher, Arch Maester Marwyn, is the one to give you your link. I'll work on a quest, as well as a special event for pesuring the link that will connect your to Malora Hightower as well, before we begin the Gerion Quest event.
>>6389686Tywin Lannister found hung and dead in his solar after receiving a raven that informed him his heir has taken to larping as a Wizard
>>6389687>before we begin the Gerion Quest event.Is it cool if we get a chance to vote on this? Or is it something you as QM particularly want to have as part of the story? I trust you to make it slick if you have ideas in mind and want it to be an important episode for Jason, and it makes a lot of sense for us to help! But simultaneously.... It's scary @___@ and I am wary of spending that much time on such a risky trip... Though I admit I am really curious about the mystery of it all too. So! I won't be disappointed either way. Also! It is a LOT of work to run a quest with this volume of interest, and I want to tell you that it's been a blast so far and you're doing great.
>>6389688"JASON, WHATEVER THAT BITCH SQUID WOMAN DID TO YOU, IS GOING TO END NOW!! WHY IN THE GODDAMN HELL WOULD YOU NOT ONLY RAID BUT MASSACRE AN ENTIRE VILLAGE OF ONE OF OUR MINOR HOUSES?""Father, those lost lives will help not only nourish our people, but to save the lives of millions. The Drowned God wouldn't give such mercy.""YOU ARE OUT OF YOU DAMN MIND, NOW THEY'RE CALLING YOU THE BLOODY LION, THE CURSED CLAW, THE MIDNIGHT ROAR, WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EVEN DO TO GAIN THOSE NAMES?""Father, my plans are measured by leaps, this is not just a small fixation or something passing, your frail mind wouldn't get it"
>>6389681Depending on whether anons get us going on Gerion's journey, who knows what sort of weirdos we might pick up. Wouldn't it be funny if Melisandrae hitched a ride back home with us? Naturally she would not STAY with us, but that would still be hilarious. As would be the daggers stared at her by Asha wondering if Jason likes red hair.>>6389687>>6389688>"I have been informed my feckless son has decided in all his lacking wisdom that the pursuit of learning magic is worth his time. I should have strangled him and his brother both in the crib. No, Ser Gregor, you needn't act, that was no order. This time."Truly, we are the best son.>>6389691>hitting dad with the "you have to have a high IQ to understand this show"Jesus Christ lmao
>>6389684I mean she is a little old for us, right? Even if she is a fellow autist...>>6389687LOL Malora it is then. Not what I voted for but fine.
>>6389688>>6389691>>6389693Ok, nevermind, this is worth giving up the ironclad lmao>The Euron Greyjoy whenever he finally runs into Jason "The Mad Lion" Lannisterhttps://youtu.be/4EJWHkIj_SA?si=dMBJ_tzoeJ9PZFhI(they both hate each other but respect the crazy)
>>6389701To be to Euron he wouldn't be able to flex going to Valyria. So that would piss him off beyond belief. Especially with Asha having such support. He would respect the crazy and balls required though.
>>6389701>"I burned your fleet to ashes">"I fucked your niece."Damn.Aw fuck I just had an awful idea pop into my head, what if Euron met Gerion along the way and killed him and his remaining crew before they could reach Valyria? Wouldn't that be a ballbuster. Obviously he didn't, probably, but in /qst/ canon it's totally valid possibility. Dude.
Jason Lannister, The Stone Lion, Warlock of Casterly Rock, The Golden Architect, Shipwright of The Seastone Throne, Salt Husband
>>6389707The "Pale Lion" too, apparently.
>>6389707Jason "Tywin's bane" Lannister.
Also I have surfed the wiki enough to find a link on Tygett's page for 'coming of age tour', but clicking it gives me no results? The premise, however, renews my fervor for a spot of sabbatical globetrotting... I suppose we can be a late bloomer with that tradition since we will probably be about 19 or so when we are heading out with Gerion, I think? And even older when if we return.
>>6389726It'll be fine, Gerion will task us with making sure the half of the expedition that are made up of pussies who can't cut it actually go back to Lannisport instead of fucking off elsewhere in the world. We'll be fine. Probably.
>>6389622>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)Due to the rarity of it. We can always learn other stuff at our own time but not this.I like warcraft, but that's something we can learn through osmosis
>>6389768Lol just noticed vote is already over
>>6389770Happens to the best of us. And the worst. And the mediocre. I'm starting to see a pattern.
Your time amongst the Hightower will be something you would treasure for the rest of your life, in no small part because it was time spent beyond the sight of your father. After your wedding night, after Asha and you shared each other in her bed, you admit that she and you got lost beneath the sheets for a few days. It took your father half the week to finally find you after you disappeared from the wedding feast, and the rest of the week to bring you back home when Asha and you decided to sail out of the dock to continue your fun. The story of “The Kraken’s Pleasure Cog” being escorted by the Lannisport fleet back home spread rapidly, a tale of youthful abandon that had once seemed impossible for the Lord Jason Lannister the people had come to know. In truth, you had enjoyed the freedom, the ability to breath and focus only on things immediately in your reach. The fact that your now Lady wife had both the natural lack of inhibition many Ironborn had combining with her appreciation for all you had done to give her joy in your wedding day, the ship being part of it but letting her take you to bed instead of taking her, only made her wish to fuel that freedom.Alas, the world dragged you back to reality, though now with a far more solid marriage than you had ever expected to possess.(+5 Disposition to Asha, 15/20)Your father had attempted to drill into you shame for what you had done, attempted to frame the entire debacle as proof of your failure as a Lannister child. Instead, talking about it only made your mind linger on the memory, and you ended up pushing your father casting you aside for the day so he could maintain control of both himself and the dynamic between you and him.That Dynamic of course ended when you and Asha set sail down the coast towards Oldtown, Tyrion having helped find loyal men to crew the ship, and your father ensuring those men were not so loyal as to allow Asha to sail off into the sea never to return. Sandor Clegane had also been forced to come with, made to huddle in the ship as sea sickness made him likely to try and kill anyone who got too close.(Cont)
>>6389779You meanwhile took to the sea rather fine, though it did take you a few days to acclimate and get over the initial sickness, you recovered better than Sandor and sooner than Asha had expected.Asha came alive on the sea, like a bird taking flight she flew across her ship, giving commands that squeezed all the potential from the Cog, as if she sought to have the crew make it a longship by sheer will. It had taken her a mere day to whip the crew into proper shape, at first doubting the sailing skill of a woman, only for her to prove to them that she did not need them to sail the ship, she only needed them to sail it fast and well.You watched her dance across the rigging, while you read your books, made your models, and enjoyed the sight of the endless blue sea. You knew next to nothing about the sea, and while you did try to learn sailing from your wife, she found you annoying asking her questions and being in her way so she brought furniture to the deck and told you to play with your blocks. You did not protest, and did just that, using a map of Oldtown you managed to find to begin working on a model of the venerable city. You were sure you would need to change things about the model once you had a proper vantage point to look at the city, but it was something to pass the time and stay out of Asha’s way.Your arrival was welcomed by the Hightowers, as well as an Arch Maester of the Citadel, Marwyn, who seemed to be a close family friend and confidant to the Hightowers. His Valyrian Steel Mask was a marvel, the reveal that he studied the higher mysteries or magics igniting a child like wonder in you that Asha did not share.You met Ser Baelon Hightower, the man happy to take you on as a squire and determined to get you knight as soon as possible. Though he did not hand it out to you, his training running concurrent to your studies and the time you dedicated to your Lady Wife.Tyrion also bloomed within Oldtown, him and Tysha able to live in relative peace and enjoy each others company. You and Asha made sure to keep an eye on his, knowing that his heart could batter aside all his wit at a moments notice if allowed. But here, he could love, he could read, and he could smile. He drank less and less, soon forgetting all together the delight of wine and ale. He never betrayed Tysha’s trust, the infamous dwarf of Lannisport found to be a perfectly behaved and respectable young man. Though perhaps it was Sandor whose presence made sure Tyrion never allowed himself to step out of line, who could say.(Cont)
>>6389780Sandor Clegane was an impassive, glowering monolith of power that had become the focus of the younger Hightower Boys, who flocked to him once he managed to best Baelon Hightower in a spar, and did so with greater honor than was expected. Sandor tried many a time to scare them off, or avoid them, but the young squires found him all the same. Eventually you found him teaching them to fight, and pitied whatever man would face them in the future expecting to fight like knights in the stories.Besides Baelon however, the Hightower that found your company the most was Malora. She was mysterious, vague, and seemed to always know where to be and what to say. It had almost become an issue with Asha, whose jealousy was quickly vanished when she kidnapped you one night, brought you to her ship tied up, and replicated your wedding night. After that, she had to fear of the older woman, despite you having told her there never had been anything to suspect.After the first year, you had managed to earn your first Link in construction and architecture, expanding your knowledge and ideas greatly. You had initially intended to persue Warcraft or the physical sciences, but Malora had saw fit to slip a tome acquired for a hedge wizard in the mountainous regions of the far north. There, you found yourself getting lost in the ancient tales and ideas, of magics and spells.Asha, Sandor, Baelon, and even Tyrion made to tease or jab at your choice to persue a Valyrian steel link, but you did it all the same. You studied the ancient text pertaining to Xi Yi, of Old Valyria, of the first men and their battle with the children then the invading Andals. You read tales of dragons, of the old Valyrian blood that gave the dynasty the ability to commune and command the greatest beasts to ever grace the earth.However, the most important lesson you came to discover was one surrounding the matters of Blood, Kings, and Glass Candles. (Cont)
>>6389781You had spent the last ten day trying to light a glass candle loaned to you by Marwyn, and had made no progress. You had tried appealing to gods, enchanting the glass, speaking in ancient tongues, even spill your own blood upon it, yet the candle did not light. Eventually, you returned in defeat, but Marwyn and Malora turned defeat into a lesson.“What is blood Jason?” Marwyn asked, examining and cleaning the glass candle you had returned to him.“Well, it’s what gives us life, without it we cease. I could be more specific but I have not been pursuing a silver link.”Marwyn chuckled “A blunt answer, and only half of one. Tell me, what is a drop of blood worth to you?”“…not much?”“Nothing at all. Now, what is all of your blood worth to me?”“I uh-““Nothing, because you would be dead and I would be bereft of a clever student.”“Oh uh, okay. But what about how much I value all of my blood?”“If you have no blood left, you cannot value anything can you? Same result.” Marwyn said, his words leading to ask.“Then blood has no worth, why use it in ritual?”“To answer that, you must answer another question. What makes a king a king?”You paused, considering the question. It seemed to have no connection with anything, but Marwyn had a habit of tying things together. “The support of the nobility?”“Ah, the Mad King had no such support, rather he had their tolerance. Yet he was still a king. Why?”“…because he had the lawful claim?”“King Robert had a lawful claim, once he made it so. Daemon Blackfyre had a lawful claim, yet he did not become king.”You sat in silence, pondering for a time.Malora spoke up “You are thinking of things that are material, or too immaterial. A claim is wind, support is mundane. Consider this. If we took the Blood of Robert Baratheon, Daemon Blackfyre, Aerys Targaryen, and a Dothraki Khal whose Khalasar spans the horizon, this Candle would ignite I suspect. Why?”You thought about the examples, the names and their histories, and what might bind them together. Eventually though, you shook your head “I do not know…”Marwyn smiled and nodded “Good answer, it means you will seek greater answers yet. Here, you’ve earned this.” He said, casually tossing you a chain link made of Valyrian steel.“Bu-wuh, but I failed to light the candle?”“Of course you did, what did you expect to master magic in a single year? Ha! Do not let that Lion’s pride blind you, the link is not like others. For you have begun your journey to study the Higher mysteries, and one day you will be called master, be declared wise and well learned. And you will know that you know nothing Jason Lannister.”(Cont)
>>6389782After that, you found your two years complete. You had been knighted by Baelon once you aided quelling a riot started by a drunken brawl, saving a child and mother in the process. And after thought but a worthy Knighthood all the same.You had begun to contemplate trying to spend another year in OldTown, when you got a Letter from your uncle Gerion.It said he would be leaving for Old Valyria and he wished to see his nephews before sailing away, the unspoken implication he may never return in the air.>Wish your Uncle well, and return to Lannisport to begin applying your knowledge and take more duties on running the Westerlands. (Canon will progress as normal and we will skip a ahead, but you will have a chance to do things like travel the 7 kingdoms, fight in tourney’s, or do projects.)>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.
>>6389783>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.We will not die, but probably be scarred or see some shit. Guaranteed not dying means fuck it we ball.The legend of the Sealion starts here!
>>6389783>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back.We'll learn more about the Eldritch and Weird, both magically and architecturally, by following Gerion, plus it'll piss off Tywin real bad.Here's hoping we make it back before Bobby B kicks the bucket and shit gets Wacky. Also, I'll also be very disappointed if we don't come back with a squisher head or three.
>>6389783I don't want too, but the thought of greater treasures yet>Join your Uncle.My only concern is that we are not spending any time getting to know our bannermen and securing our own powers.
>>6389783>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.Funnily enough this would probably make things closer to canon, depending on when we get back. Tywin will almost certainly give us up for dead. Tyrion might get the brunt of it, but that'd compensate for the drumming that we helped him avoid.
I'm just gonna say this, if we go there, the only way we're not getting our ass thrown into home arrest for the rest of his life by Tywin is if we recover Brightroar.Acquiring a valyrian steel sword is the one thing Tywin himself was entirely unable to do. No matter how much he tried to bribe poor houses, they wouldn't sell it.So going back to Old Valyria, recovering the ancestral sword of the Lannisters, and returning, might be enough of a power move that Tywin *might* be able to forgive us.Or maybe he'll just continue his grumpy-ass face as he always does.
>>6389783>Wish your Uncle well, and return to Lannisport to begin applying your knowledge and take more duties on running the Westerlands. (Canon will progress as normal and we will skip a ahead, but you will have a chance to do things like travel the 7 kingdoms, fight in tourney’s, or do projects.)
I want to go on the adventure, but I can't believably imagine a situation where Jason would do it.Not because he wouldn't want to.It's because Asha is probably pregnant.Jason does not seem like the type of man who would risk his unborn child suffering a miscarriage, or worse, receiving some dark magic curse while still in the womb.Maybe if Asha would stay behind? But she'd hate us for that and never agree to it...
>>6389817We haven't rolled for a kid yet, so she's not actually pregnant. I suppose it's a bit OOC but who cares mang.
>>6389817Tbh, if Asha and Jason didn't had a baby after the spend like what, two weeks at the sea fucking? And no news or something in those two years at the Citadel, I doubt they're having one now.It's not the lack of trying, just so happened that Asha didn't get pregnant.
>>6389783>>Wish your Uncle well, and return to Lannisport to begin applying your knowledge and take more duties on running the Westerlands. (Canon will progress as normal and we will skip a ahead, but you will have a chance to do things like travel the 7 kingdoms, fight in tourney’s, or do projects.)We're the heir and this is the kind of trip that isn't just risky, it's mortally dangerous - no one returns from Valyrian. Even if we know from QM oog we will make it, Jason and Asha probably wouldn't expect to... We're on the verge of having kids, we are the age where we need to meet our bannermen and forge alliances. I love the idea of making this expedition but the timing is just bad imo, and once Gerion disappears I think it'd be narratively compelling for the now-magically-educated Jason to blame himself, since he would've been a help, and eventually make his own expedition later in the story when he is older, and has a strong crew with him, not just to find Brightroar but to find Gerion, or at least his remains.
>>6389824While all true, I would like a prize to return.Not to mention, some small part of me hopes that after seeing all the monstrous shit in Valeria, that there is nothing left ot fear in mere greenlander politics.I don't want to be Euron, the mad Sorcerer who would be a God. But to have seen the dark and unknowable things and found our Father's stare a trifling thing in comparison is a lure for me.
>>6389827I won't be mad if we go, either. If we come back AT ALL, let alone with anything to show for it whatsoever, we'll have proved not just to Tywin but to all of Westeros that we are Built Different, and that we are capable in a way others are not. Not only would Tywin's glares lose so much of their potency, but he also would lose the ability to patronize so absolutely, and would begrudgingly have to treat us as more of a peer. That means there is no arguing if/when we decide to go on a world tour. We can handle it, it's good for the house to show off his worthy heir, and? People of exceptional talent across the far kingdoms we travel will come to us and seek to join our retinue, knowing full well they are hitching themselves to a rising star. Depending on just how long the voyage takes of us, and how long it takes to return, that kind of trip may be complicated by certain wars. That's not the worst thing that could happen though.
>>6389783>Wish your Uncle well, and return to Lannisport to begin applying your knowledge and take more duties on running the Westerlands. (Canon will progress as normal and we will skip a ahead, but you will have a chance to do things like travel the 7 kingdoms, fight in tourney’s, or do projects.)Any occultist knows the first rule of magic. Dont fucking look for it
>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.I would prefer to study medicine and stay in westeros but since we already took magic might as well make a use of it.
>>6389783>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.>>6389817Honestly I find the lack of heirs deeply concerning. We had had years of trying and failing. Plus we do have Tyrion and Tysha to care for them anon. So it's the fact that we don't have any at all that is the real problem.
>>6389783>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.We ball
>>6389835>That means there is no arguing if/when we decide to go on a world tour. We can handle itIt'll probably take a handful of years on this journey. If we don't get lost along the way somehow. We'd likely return to a kingdom with growing divides and tensions. If the trip goes very, very poorly we might even be delayed so much that Bobby gets BOAR'D and we have to deal with that shitstorm. It's probably safer to assume if we do go with Gerion that we won't get chances for a lot of other things. With no guarantee that Jason will actually have anything to show for it, either. I'm especially worried that if we go with Gerion, Tywin is going to learn of Tysha and he'll ruin Tyrion's shit.
>>6389877Right, I agree with all of this except the Tysha thing, since it seems we would bring Tyrion and her with us and frankly I imagine they'd risk the horrors of Valyria over the scrutiny of Tywin (in fact, they'd be wise to do so). But I definitely don't want to spend this crucial stage of Jason's development on a long journey to the East, that's why I am voting to hold back.
>>6389877That's actually a really good argument to not go into this trip. Disappearing without any notice for years, maybe to not even get halfway through our destination before we head back would be a waste of time.
>>6389883I don't know if Tyrion would want to go on this trip. Especially don't know if Tysha wants to. "Hey you wanna go on an adventure to the islands with a reputation for not coming back from?". Asha is the type, naturally. Tyrion might be able to be convinced but I think Tysha would be kind of put off by it, and if she didn't go, Tyrion wouldn't go.In my mind what seems most likely is Jason and Asha run off, Tyrion and Tysha stays, and likely Sandor goes back with Tyrion and Tysha because if he vanished with Jason and Asha and somehow survived he'd get fucked by Tywin and he knows it. So he'd use the lovebirds as an excuse to not go, to keep them safe.
>>6389906Yeah, losing Sandor just as we got him, before having a chance to even really interact would be an ENORMOUS L. If Tyrion stays, and Tywin begins to doubt our return no less, I think it's inevitable Tysha gets found out and probably ends up meeting her canon fate, maybe even worse since their romance will have been hidden for years. Also if Asha goes and Tysha doesn't, as her maid, she will lose access to Tyrion anyways. But it seems anons want to play Indiana Jones. We could very well come back to Sandor locked in with Joffrey, Tyrion heartbroken, Tysha gone, Robert dead, and the War of Five Kings well into its first year. Meanwhile we'd be of the adult age to be expected to make moves as the heir, but with no connections, no cadre, and having to play catch up on politics. Asha, likewise, will not have a crew or fleet, and will miss out on years of tutelage from great fighters she would have received otherwise. What amount of magical relics would make up for that at such a dramatic juncture?Even if we did come back with Brightroar in hand... It doesn't seem worth it to me. It's an awesome legendary sword, sure, but it's also ultimately a status symbol. It can only kill one person at a time, like any other sword, and it can only do so in the hands of someone skilled... Which we aren't.
>>6389877>>6389885One saving grace is that if we aren't the only ones who survive, then we'll have some complete badasses who have gone to hell and back with us. There aren't many people who could be more loyal or worthy than that for our retinue.Just need to make sure we grabbed some good picks before going. If Malora is interested in magic, then I bet she'd be happy to send some Hightower Knights if it meant we'd share any scrolls or tomes we find out there. It also might earn us some political favor.OH, speaking of which; question for the QM.How successful was Jason at coming up with ideas on how to defend Oldtown from Ironborn? How did Asha react?
>>6389918I think the real value in this trip is learning about the higher mysteries and maybe picking up some spells. Magic is less taboo outside of Westeros, and the ruins of Valyria are reputed to not only be awash with treasures but also lost magics. The true prize of this journey then would not be finding Brightroar but instead learning about "real" magic instead of just magic theory like we currently know. There are still some spells and sorceries that work even with magic being muted like it is, and other spells begin to work again or have more noticeable effects when magic seeps back into the world. I figure most likely Jason might pick up some rumors of pyromancy. Maybe some soothsaying. But there are plenty of weird magics and alleged maegi in those far off lands even before setting sail for Valyria itself.>>6389919We better bring back some strange critters and good books to the Hightowers. This would never be possible if not for their generous offers. It would be rude not to repay that kindness in turn.
>>6389918Fine fine, you scaremongering me on the time.>>6389787I recind this vote and say>Wish him good luck
>>6389921Have you voted yet in favor or against the trip? I think whatever spells we may learn would need to be VERY impressive and practical in order to justify the sacrifice of multiple years off of the 'playing field' at this extremely important time in our life.
>>6389924Hey you never know. If we learn how to make fuckass shadow babies we could potentially grief the entire war of five kings by sacrificing people to gank the claimants. Or learn part of the process for making Valyrian steel. Not the whole process, obviously, because that would be ridiculous. But maybe some of the parts we could actually do and apply that to other stuff. And learning how to make and control fire could be instrumental in not getting ultrafucked by the Others if we ever have to deal with them. And in general protection charms of various substance would be nice. Could slap those onto sworn knights and aligned fighters. There's a lot of something with no guarantees. Gerion's voyage is essentially the gambler's paradise.I also have not voted, I'm torn between going and not going. Because I do want to see the other kingdoms and learn of their secrets. But at the same time, this would be our single best chance of learning magics since we likely will not have the time to go gallivanting off to the easterly lands once the war of five kings kicks off and winter comes a knockin. And we'd have to rely on sending someone out to just pick up books or some shit I guess. Which is less than ideal most of the time. Maybe bring back some alleged maegi from those lands. Which is almost always some fucko scammer.
>>6389926>But at the same time, this would be our single best chance of learning magicsI still like the idea of us attempting a recovery expedition later on, but also I am thinking about learning magic during the coming wars from either Wildlings that flee the North or contemporaries of Euron when we finally have to face him. I appreciate your perspective though. I think that personally, as tempted as I am by what we might win, I am too put off by what I am basically certain we will lose by going.
>>6389929Oh absolutely. I'm not a gambling man by nature. Shit in one hand, promise in the other as the saying goes. There is real, tangible, guaranteed value in staying in Westeros. Even if we fuck up everything and make no alliances, the simple act of traveling the kingdoms would grant us experience and knowledge we could make use of. Like AT WORST we still gain from not joining Gerion. Whereas AT WORST for joining Gerion we gain nothing but rumors, dying men, and disappointment.The potential gains are enormous for going, potentially greater than staying. However the potential losses are equally as great, with the only caveat being that Asha and Jason won't die. That doesn't mean they won't be stranded away from home and have to make their way back on their own. Which could be its own adventure. Likely getting caught up with Danaerys' bullshit along the way. Or skimming next to it and hoping not to get burned.
I'm counting six join and that being the majority, unless anyone sees otherwise I'll take that vote.Tyrion and Tysha would indeed not be going, however i do like the idea of Tysha and Tyrion partially going and setting up like, a manse or temporary home in essos as a return point for the expedition, a confirmed place to come back to after the expedition before heading back to westeros.Anything you'd like me to set up before Jason heads off?
>>6389783>Wish your Uncle well.Unfortunate I was late to the vote. This thread moves so fast. The risks are too great, we should have started a family and toured Westeros instead.
>>6389943Would Sandor be coming along? It'd help for Asha to have SOMEONE solidly superior to continue to train with, I really don't want her tagging along to mean that she helps us sail and fight, but doesn't get to improve her skills. I don't think there's really anything else to 'set up' except perhaps to ask Leyton and the Citadel for a Maester to take with us, whether in exchange for gold or access to some of the treasure? We need a wise man and Oldtown is the best place to get one, and this is the best time to do so. If we can start this trip with Sandor and a solid Maester in our crew, it won't feel like as much of a waste if we end up burning through all the time we could should spend cultivating connections or power.
>>6389943Bring sandor.Send a warning to high tower.Leave a really bold letter for Tywin to find later.
>>6389943Perhaps a bastard with Malora then? It's better than no child.
>>6389931Asha and Jason wont die, but they could remain affected in some capacity. Nightmares, PTSD, memories lost, insanity.... even something not affecting the mind but the body like gruesome wounds, disease, mutation, damage to some organs....High chance little to no one will survive beside us. The majority of expeditions to Valyria are poorly planned and do not understand the many dangers in that land, be mundane and beyond nature. Really, the ones that gain the most remain the Volantene merchants selling supplies and other goods, before an expedition goes to die. Truth be told, with the world of ASOIAF being medieval is impossible to properly plan a far away expedition especially to mystery hell land.>>6389943A scene of an attempted preparation for the travel between Jason, Asha, Tyrion, Marwyn and Malora maybe ? I suppose Jason could start thinking on how moving through ruins can be done without dying. 1 problem out of the thousands in Valyria. I am not sure how Tysha could contribute for this prep. I guess Sandor if he is there will just shake his head.
>>6389918That is absolute worst case scenario and assuming the QM decides to assrape us with no lube. Which to be fair would fit the setting. We would need to take Tyrion and Tysha; however we would NOT take them into Valyria with us. Instead leaving them in a city-state to await our return likely the one where half the crew abandons our uncle. Leaving Tyrion behind would guarantee Tywin finding out and blaming him for losing his heir and finding out about Tysha. It would make the canon event look like a cakewalk.>>6389931To be honest, I am suspicious as fuck as to what Asha has been up to for the past couple of years. 'monitored' my ass when she had a crew to put the fear of the Drowned God for over 2 years into when she scared the living shit out veteran reavers much less Greenlander sailors. Sandor would have been too busy babysitting us. It wouldn't have been hard for her at all to rendezvous with her reaver ships and crews with her own ship discreetly. The Hightowers outright granted her port access on our behalf and she had easy access to both Dorne AND Essos the whole time.Also I find it adorable and hilarious how she dealt with Jason's autism and interference. She simply set up some furniture, books, and building blocks to keep him busy and out of the way. LMAO. She understood exactly how to handle him perfectly. So Jason is completely clueless about her activities. Except for the time she grew suspicious about Malora and that was it.Like fuck I wouldn't put it past her at all to secretly look into Daenyrs. Definitely something she would do as the Kraken Queen.>>6389943Can we at least knock up Asha and leave the kids with Tyrion and Tysha before the escapade? It doesn't make any sense to NOT leave an heir behind as insurance. Frankly I don't see Jason or Asha trusting anyone else with their children than Tyrion and Tysha, especially on such a risky adventure. I do agree with leaving Tysha and Tyrion with a temporary manse in Essos as a return point because leaving them behind completely is suicide.
>>6389948>we should have started a family and toured Westeros instead.Yeah it's gonna suck to possibly not be having kids until we are almost thirty, and in the beginnings of a time of huge regional conflicts.
>>6389953>absolute worst case scenarioNo. The worst case would be all of that but also we get lost and so don't show back up until the War is even farther in, Euron has seized the Iron Islands, Theon is castrated, and Tywin is dead. And we run into Danny and her horde during our voyage. Or Euron.
>>6389943Leaving for adventure Is a bad idea when we should be lording in preparation for the shit storm that will be Bobby's death, but oh well
>>6389952>diseaseThere are stone men to worry about. And no silver link to help, though perhaps our V-steel would allow us to learn about the dragonglass treatment method? Though then we would need to find it.
>>6389783>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.Brightroar WILL be returned to Casterly Rock along with whatever Valyrian loot we can get our hands on. I think we have six years until Jon Arryn dies, hopefully we're back by then.
>>6389943>Anything you'd like me to set up before Jason heads off?I can't think of anything. Unless Sandor is staying behind. If he's staying behind it might be nice to get him a pet dog or a new dagger just as a thanks for being a bro. Since we probably won't be seeing him for a while.>>6389948Thankfully it seems that regardless of when exactly the thread is moving there seems to be competent anons hanging around to throw ideas out and have plans. >>6389952Yeah exactly. Unforeseen circumstances and long term complications. We'll just have to be careful and prudent. If the going gets truly dire, there is wisdom in backing down. Shame be damned, the ones who get to feel it are alive.>>6389953>tfw we sail out to join gerion and asha manages to conjure up a small fleet to sail to valyria with usWould be a nice surprise. Another nice surprise is coming back from the trip and having a warfleet waiting to make sure no one fucks with us while we're vulnerable. Because I am half-convinced someone is gonna try to dick us over on the final leg.
>>6389951>>6389953>Perhaps a bastard with Malora then?>Can we at least knock up Asha and leave the kids with Tyrion and Tysha before the escapade?I'm not down with either of these and think they should be their own votes rather than things individual anons can just ask to have 'set up'. Leaving our heir in Essos to be protected by Tyrion feels insanely risky? I feel like Cersei would send assassins, assuming none of our more overt enemies do. Spymasters will be able to find them, regardless, Varys had a play by play of Danny's campaign for years from across the Narrow Sea. If anons didn't want us to delay parenthood and go on a years long perilous journey without an heir, why vote to go on the journey?
>>6389964There's also the chance that maybe Asha herself has been taking steps not to have a kid yet.
>>6389963>there is wisdom in backing down.If we are gonna commit to this trip, we really had better not bounce when it gets scary, we'll be alive but we'll have made an enormous sacrifice... >Another nice surprise is coming back from the trip and having a warfleet waitingAnon who would fund that or prepare it? If anything, without Asha around, it's likely the Lannister navy is neglected and there is nothing to build unity between it and the Iron Fleet. Tywin is going to assume we are dead after the first year. We won't be coming back to a fleet of warships; if we wanted those, we should have stayed in Westeros to build them. We chose Magic, just how it is.
>>6389951At this point, I am desperate enough for a bastard than no child at all, because this is bullshit. How the fuck am I supposed to play the game of thrones with no fucking pieces to play? Malora, it is then because sex magic is a thing.>>6389948I want a big family and touring Westeros desperately. If expedition fucks that, I'm gonna be mad. I don't mind sacrificing a few years for an expedition, but fuck that otherwise. Ruins the whole point of such a quest premise.>>6389949>>6389943Suicidally curious maesters, knights, and Sandor. Also gold. LOTS of gold. We are Lannisters after all.>>6389956Previous example is already GG much less that one. If we lose that much I'm done because fuck that. I don't mind losing but not so unfairly hard.>>6389963I don't think she can conjure up a small fleet but a couple of ships full of suicidally loyal reavers? Entirely plausible. Especially a small fleet on the way back that would be keeping an eye on Tyrion and pirating who would provide escort on returning who weren't suicidal but still loyal.
>>6389968>If we lose that muchWell, we will have presimably gained a very sharp sword that can kill White Walkers and the ability to cast fireballs and maybe something like a Chimera egg. It's not loss so much as price.
>>6389967>Anon who would fund that or prepare it?Ironborn loyal to Asha? Just hanging around between the continents fucking around and raiding. She is surprisingly good at making men very loyal. Perhaps "warfleet" was the wrong word to use. I apologize. But this is supposing she has been "doing things" in the two years we've been hitting the library.>>6389968I'm going to wager that by the time we return Asha will either be pregnant, or we'll have a kid with her. Which the idea of a newborn on a ship is probably an awful idea to anyone that isn't Ironborn. Just so that it wouldn't impact the journey as much if it was on the way back. The wager I am making is twelve good boi points, enough for a single plate of chicken nuggies or a box of LEGOs worth no more than $9.99.
>>6389943Here what I think we could use before going inside Valyria- A preparation talk between Jason, Asha, Tyrion, Marwyn and Malora. This talk might actually save Jason and Asha ass in this expedition. - Recruit anyone we can fron Old Town be Maesters or Knights- Buy a lot of durable food- Recruit some Sellswords in Volantis- Pray to the Seven in the Starry Sept
>>6389973>I'm going to wager that by the time we return Asha will either be pregnant, or we'll have a kid with her.Bro, women die in childbirth in ASOIAF constantly, even when surrounded by nursemaids and medicine Maesters in luxurious palaces. On a ship? I don't think it is even possible for the kinds of rations we'd take on a sea voyage to be nourishing enough to not result in a miscarriage dude, hard tack, fish, salt pork, and rum isn't gonna cut it. Even looking past those logistics, we can't get her pregnant when we need her to sail and fight. Even past that, having a child in the ruins of Valyria just seems like it could end up with the poor fucker cursed out of the womb...
>>6389975I'll back this and the other anon pushing for that scene, and still tack on a +Sandor for covering our ass and training Asha as we go.
>>6389975Oh this reminds me, we should pick up some cold iron knives or hatchets or what have you. Allegedly able to kill demons. Jason "Demonslayer" Lannister? Asha "Doomseeker" Lannister? They'll call us fools. If they call us at all.>>6389976I said on the way back man damn kek The easiest part of the journey, where we will regularly be stopping in ports and getting fresh supplies and hopefully not needing to get into fights.
>>6389976>could end up with the poor fucker cursed out of the womb...He would be either be a joffrey-level cursed mofo, or a literal genius 6/6/6 great conqueror.
>>6389979>hopefully not needing to get into fights.I don't think we could go nine months at sea without running into pirates or bandits at the least.
>>6389964Tyrion is a genius who knows how to play the Game and is likely the only one who suspects what Asha is up to. Cersei is a stupid bitch occupied busy in King's Landing, who no doubt believes we are gonna die. Not to mention Asha won't be leaving her children without some protection behind either with some loyal reavers. Who will take turns pirating and standing guard.Asha is extremely good at instilling loyalty in her men and faction to the point of successfully ignoring a kingsmoot results and following a woman no less. Just ignore how terrorifying she is...Varys is more interested in covering for the Targs as is the Martells. Going after Jason is...well honestly Tywin and the Mountain is a far bigger target. Especially with Jason seemingly taking himself out of the Game entirely. Of course that is blatantly ignoring whatever the fuck Asha is plotting because she IS plotting something.>>6389970As long as we stay as far away from the Blood Magic as possible. That will go the longest way to protecting us from the worst of the magical hazards of Valyria.>>6389973Return? No. That would be terrible. On the way? Maybe.>>6389976Asha is far tougher and stronger while being in AMAZING shape for a woman. Impeccable even. That goes a VERY long way for childbirth. She isn't a soft lady, so childbirth isn't nearly as dangerous for her as it would be for other women or ladies. Being tough and strong bitch makes childbirthing far easier and much more survivable. Arguably, only Brienne, that battleaxe and absolute shit brickhouse of a woman, would have an easier time.Of course that won't save her from a curse so...yeah please no.
>>6389980Joffery isn't cursed, he's just an inbred sociopath with shitty parents.
>>6389963Being careful and prudent can help but if everyone else is losing it, or if our Uncle wants to push ....>there is wisdomAin't gonna happen if anons want to go in, they will not back down. Maybe they can be convinced to do it smartly at least, especially when we go past the jagged Valyrian coastline filled by sharks and baby krakens. And the boiling water.>>6389979Not a bad idea.There is a good chance demons walk inside. And other horrors made from the corpses of the divinely and blood cursed dead and the hundreds of fallen dragons. Though I wonder how LannisterQM plans to make the Valyria Expedition. Its not a feast event. Its not a short voyage. Its not easy. Maybe he will divide it in multiple posts and ask for rolls eachtime. Put a timer of dead people and lowering supplies ?
>>6389983>that is blatantly ignoring whatever the fuck Asha is plotting because she IS plotting something.Can you provide any examples from the QM's post that indicate this? I think Asha is a badass but she also was just growing from 16-18, and I didn't see anything in any of the quest updates here that suggest to me she is up to anything.
>>6389975To add onto this list.The Valyrian Gods who punished the Valyrians for their transgressions and arrogance. We want to know what we can about them and make some kind of offering.>>6389979Don't forget Dragonglass aka obsidian.Its not like we are gonna have access to dragonsteel. Dragonglass is the next best thing. There are monsters and demons in Valyria that can FUCK UP dragons. Also why we should avoid the main island itself and places with the highest concentrations of blood magic in general. Those places are the worst death traps. Like the mines or slave pits...>>6389986The biggest problem is its largely from Jason's perspective who frankly doesn't have the stats/skills to notice her slip ups unless she gets angry/upset enough to let something slip. If we had a choice/vote. We would either have to ask Tyrion as he would be the one who had the best idea of what it was she was plotting or hope our relationship is high enough with her to get her to open up directly.In terms of her warfare, we have only 3 slips. For ambition, we only have canon because she still hasn't told Jason. She has only let slip once that she has men and ships when Cersei enraged her enough that she bragged about being a Reaver Captain(this also impressed Robert which is why he gave her those axes as a wedding gift and they competed against each other). In terms of plotting she hasn't let anything slip that Jason has noticed. She has only let 1 thing slip in terms of being intimidated by Jason which was his defense works mastery, that countered Ironborn raiding alarmed her the night she failed miserably to seduce him.Most recent event is the complete absence of slips and her, completely distracting Jason from noticing anything.
>>6389991Right, look, no offense man but I think you're just getting carried away with this Asha stuff. Her mentioning she was a captain with a crew prior to being kidnapped by Tywin is just a fact, and I don't think reflects any ongoing scheme. Her not featuring prominently in an update about Jason's time studying at the Citadel doesn't necessarily imply she was working up a scheme or amassing a private force, either. Her disposition with us is +15, so I have every reason to believe she would trust us and even desire our input on some plot, if she even had the ability to get one rolling. Until I see the QM actually allude to something like that, I'm not gonna start connecting these other dots. Maybe you are onto something I don't see, but I'm definitely not feeling convinced at the moment. Based on prior updates, if she suddenly had a flotilla together it would read to me as very flagrant QM fiat, honestly.
Since i'm seeing a lot of concern about children, I will reveal that i plan to have the war of five kings and the events of the main line books be padded out a bit, extended and such so things are not happening at such a fucking huge ass pace.In addition>Child vote now? (Child will be concieved in Old town, and left with Tysha and Tyrion in essoes.)>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)
I'm putting big money on the idea that we're gonna get fucked over by the sea, blown off course, and spend a short vacation on the Summer Isles, somehow. Final answer, locking in. >>6389996>>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)I dunno, I'd feel bad about dumping a kid onto Tysha and Tyrion before they had their own. Kinda feels like rubbing it in since they are probably waiting for "the right time" for theirs.
>>6389996>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)Imagine not wanting to be there as a father.
>>6389996>>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)Probably will have some mild latent magic due to being conceived in the area of old Valyria with two important bloodlines mixing.
>>6389996Woouughggg... I'm not blaming you QM, it's largely just the timeline of the setting and anon votes, but I kinda hate both options a little. It feels like: >Have a kid(s) and then immediately leave them behind with your brother, who becomes the heir of an extremely hated great house in your absence, and who is himself hated to the point of being targeted for death by the two people currently controlling the house the most. Plus your kid(s) first 3-10 years (if we are unlucky) are without either of their parents. I find it impossible to believe anyone would knowingly have a child/children and abandon them as infants to go to the most dangerous place on the planet. Even if I did believe Jason could do that and Asha wouldn't have homicidal postpartum, I don't want our offspring to rightfully resent us for abandoning them in a foreign land... >Wait until this voyage is over to sire an heir, meaning our kids might be significantly younger than those of our contemporaries in the other noble houses, and lots of eligible bachelors/bachelorettes may already be taken by the time they are of marrying age. Not as bad, possibly, but still far from ideal imo and maybe very complicating for us during big ass wars. Anyhow, I suppose I will opt for a late blooming. >Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)
>>6389996>Child vote now? (Child will be concieved in Old town, and left with Tysha and Tyrion in essoes.)This seems like the safe bet.Let's say the expedition takes... 5 years? Jason's kid will be a baby/toddler for most of that. A child's formative years are from 6 to 16, so as long as there's someone feeding the kid and changing the diapers, they'll be fine. The need for actual parenting would occur once we return.It's only if the expedition takes a disastrously long time / we get lost for an extra 5 years that we suddenly have a huge problem.It would also be the "responsible" thing to do since Jason doesn't know that he'll survive, and thus would leave the Lannister family without an heir if he dies.Honestly, the most irresponsible thing is that (in-character) he's risking his child becoming an orphan if he dies, who would then be left in Tywin's care. Hopefully Tyrion would be able to look after them.
>>6389996Can I vote for "have child in the middle of the trip so Tywin has a stroke when we come back from Essos with Brightroar on our belt and a grandkid behind us"
>>6389996>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)
>>6390006I think if Tywin finds out that Jason has a child and left that child with Tyrion in order to go on a suicide mission, he would make the exceptionally deft play of: 1) Hiring mercenaries or pirates in the area through a couple of intermediaries, which Essos is full of 2) Have the mercs kill Tyrion and take the child/children hostage and hold them for ransom 3) Pay the ransom to secure the kids, with the pirates not knowing that Tywin was the one who paid them in the first place And voila, he has trimmed the fuck out of the family tree and fixed everything. If Jaime forfeits his cloak he becomes heir, and if not, Jason's son is an opportunity to mold a new, superior heir, with Tyrion finally dead and gone and not part of the equation, murdered in a faraway land with no one giving a damn. 2)
>>6389996>>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)Jason and Asha will be there for their children.
Alright cool just wanted to give the option. I'll get to writing
>>6389996>Child vote nowTyrion and Tysha will be good parents while we are away. Perhaps Tywin will not hate his grandchild either.
"Uncle Tyrion, where's my papa?" "He uh... Just went down the way for a pack of cigarettes. He must have just gotten a little turned around... Four years ago..."
>>6390016>Daft fuck might be in Yi Ti in an autistic daze staring at their supposed "Great Wall" like it was his wife's own tits...
Seriously though, I do genuinely think that having a kid and *then* schmooving would be a good moveOtherwise, there's a big chance of Tywin just trying to nab it from us to raise it himself.
>>6390016It is a VERY long trip to the smoke shop. Any day now. He'll also be back with a pony - no a unicorn.
>>6389996>Child vote now? (Child will be concieved in Old town, and left with Tysha and Tyrion in essoes.)Realistically the kid gets dumped on the nursemaids for the first few years anyhow by nobles.
>>6389996I was wondering if you can answer : You are going very fast for this quest, barely at the first thread Lannister QM. Excellent work. How many threads are you planning to do though ? Not that its a problem. I also hope the Valyria Expedition last a good amount. ts perfect for be something dramatic and dangerous, which fits with ASOIAF.
>>6390020Way, way, way easier for him to nab and raise if we aren't around for years, dude, in fact he would reasonably be obligated to try. If he does our child will probably - and justifiably imo - like Tywin more than us.
>>6390029Anon, I talked about having a kid with US. Not leaving it with Tyrion. Just straight up taking our baby with us.>inb4 ship foodThat's a misconception, people only ate that "hardtack salted pork" diet when they were on some sort of transatlantic voyage. Medieval ships just straight up can't go that far, they need to keep to the coast, where you can get actual food and water.
>>6390023Jason and Asha really don't sound like the usual kind of noble of their respective cultures (westernlander/ironborn).>>6389943To add on what was said about the Valyria Expedition travel, i think Tysha and Tyrion might possibly make a trade company in Volantis. Or a business of some kind. They could connected said business, through people they know in Old Town and Lannisport.I just don't think Tysha and Tyrion would not be busy with something if they don't go in Valyria. Realistically the two of them will make some kids.
>>6390025No idea on how fast i was going to go. I'm just trying to keep to things that are interesting.I do imagine things will slow down as we get closer to the mainline story, especially the war of five kings. But all this prior stuff, there isn't much to fill out the quest and only so much i'm actually interested in.
>>6390011That's fair, but I also don't want to risk Jason's kids being born with tails/horns due to cursed Valarian magic. If the child is born now, they'll be safe from that.>>6389996Ah, sorry for repeating myself QM, but did we get a response to the question in this post: >>6389919 ?It'd be nice to know how we did with Oldtown's defenses, and whether or not Asha is upset with us before leaving on the expedition>>6389979Yo, forget demons. What if Jason comes back with something like a Basilisk's tooth. His nickname of "the stone lion" becomes a lot more scary when he starts executing traitors by turning them to stone statues. Keep enough of those around, and it makes Tywin's "the rains of castamere" threat look like childs play
>>6390050Pretty reasonable since the main storyline has the most 'meat'.
>>6390050Hmm, I suppose that's a way to go about things. I don't personally agree with it, but I will still play the quest.
>>6390054Jason "Fuck it, I turn the ops into affordable building materials" Lannister
>>6390054Oh you reinforced the hell out of Old town. Old town has a bit of an easier time due to geography, so you mostly just increased its defenses using new techniques. It was already not an appealing target, now its just basically impossible. Asha is not to sad about it because there are other targets in the reach Ironborn would prefer, with Oldtown always being a "Iron fleet raid war" sort of target. And such a force is something most defenses can't handle if they're focused on anti pirate slash reaver defenses
>>6390050>>6390055>>6390057I would def say that thus far the updates and votes have mostly felt like vignettes into Jason's coming of age, and opportunities to refine the kind of character he is, which is cool, but I'm glad to hear the pace will slow down eventually; whether that's our quest for Brightroar or the wars ahead, I am more accustomed to scenes taking multiple updates or even a few dozen with occasional 'cuts' moving the story along here and there, with longer time skips that account for days/weeks/months/years spread out more intermittently.
>>6389996>>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)I dont know maybe im not used to this fast pace with such a lore rich universe.
>>6390054Hell nah I ain't forgettin about no demons. Shiieeeet we're gonna sail into a sea that always smokes, for a land that is double-ultra-plus cursed, where a bunch of freaky incest people lived with blood magic and fire reptiles. I'm finna bust out the holy water, too. kekBut nah the various animals and critters are pretty rad. Killing a basilisk would be cool. As would be hunting down one of those white lions in the Dothraki sea. Whether it be to capture it and bring it home or to wear its pelt as a cloak. Of course, we are going nowhere near there, so buying one at a market is like to be the only way we could. Ideally we wouldn't encounter any of the dangerous creatures of the world. No fire lizards, random manticores far from home, basilisks creeping among the islands. Do basilisks actually turn people to stone in GoT canon though? I can't recall. I remember them having venom but not what it does. If it's ever specified even.
>>6390064Oh no yeah, the first real like adventure/ full scene thing will end up being the brightroar/old valyria expedition. that'll be taking multiple updates and will be likely long bit
>>6390076Fair enough. Take you time on that one.
>>6390076If we come back alive, this might be the only thing that makes the greyjoys tolerate Jason
>>6390084I consider it a silver lining that it will let us one up Euron. He CLAIMS to have been to the Shadow Lands (which of course his mute and illiterate crew can't verify), but we will probably be coming back with PROOF of our surviving Valyria.
>>6390076Good place to properly start the story based on how we've leaned so far, and a good plot beat for you to use to make the setting your own, and thoroughly work Jason into the source material. While I can admit I'd have rather we postponed it, I am excited to explore one of the more mysterious parts of the series up close.
>>6390096someone should write negaverse reactions to Asha and Jason(negaverse being, like, if this was all canon and we saw it from the irl book's POV characters' views as readers)
>>6390099I don't know about the books, but I'm sure that if Jason appeared in the show you'd have that crowd that would like him for being a "dornish style" husband and also "autism coded representation"
>>6390100I was just thinking that half the fans would have meltdowns about him being "woke and retarded" kek
>>6390100The moment asha (or yara, if you want to call her by show-name) tells jason to "go play with your blocks" to dismiss him you just know all the twitter fiends with their list of self-diagnosed mental illnesses in their bios are not going to get it at all and everything will be calm. But the real spergs will all get it immediately. But once the twittards catch wind of it they will both claim it's a great day for representation and also disparage it as being bigoted and harmful. Despite it being a cute sort of teasing shared between husband and wife.This I know in my heart of hearts. Also that there would be a scene in which there is dramatic music playing as Jason sets down figures and blocks when designing a fortification that snap cuts to a battle as he places the last piece down with a dramatic thud which doubles as the sound of a boulder hitting the earth or wall to display that his ideas work and establish him as someone aloof but still dangerous. Because cinematographers love that shit. If the scene was narrated it would probably be by Asha to reinforce the hidden ferocity of the stone lion, or Jaime or Tyrion for the same reason but to different affect. >>6390106>Dude Jason is based as fuck, he's autistic and has a goth tomboy baddie!>Dude Jason is woke as fuck, he's a retarded twink who gets pushed around by his wife!The duality of man.
>>6390106Uh...not really. Not when other characters exist.
>>6390111>Jason could 1 v 1 Euron>Show Euron right? Right?
>>6390113>>6390100Whenever he gets in a fight it's never actually a pitched battle/swordfight because he knows his ass is better served in the back line, but he always wins because he, like, breaks a chair over their head and disappears into a secret passage.Then when the enemy finally catches up with him, Asha blindsides them with an axe.
>>6390118Imagine the clips of Show Jason running away from fights set to the Benny Hill chase music
>>6390113>show jason vs show euron who wins?>that's some weak shit, how about book jason vs book euron?>why does that make a difference?>they both went to valyria (allegedly)>THEY WHATImagine the whiplash of that. Since show Euron never went to Valyria it's likely that show Jason wouldn't either. So the idea of the little lion twink actually being a fearless adventurer would seem completely out of character.>>6390118Imagine you're watching this skinny little blonde guy getting his ass handed to him and then out of nowhere he jumps through a bookcase that's actually a door and disappears into dark tunnels. Some Scooby-Doo ass shit.
>>6390121>>6390120The one time he wins a 1v1 there's a flashback to him throwing Asha over his shoulders and then he tackles them and suplexes them.
>>6389994I look at it this way.1 Why did we choose Asha over the other prospects?2 What's the use of Asha if her character divergence is so strong to the point of uselessness?In theory Asha should have been the easiest to handle wife on account of her strong preference for blunt approaches and open ambitions. Downside obviously her ability to kick our ass and being extremely scary(rightfully so). In practice it turned out Jason is a prettyboy which is Asha's #1 type(vs Jaime's Hunky handsomeness) and despite our mediocre intrigue skills she was still able to perfectly crush our mediocre intrigue skills so hard that Jason never noticed anything once she got her head around what made Jason tick. With nothing more than some books, furniture, and building blocks. Honestly, I'm not even mad about that, more impressed with Asha with anything. Well played Asha, well played.If she, arguably the weakest in that department among the prospects, could outplay Jason so handily like that than holy fuck we would have been screwed with the others who actually specialized in it. Except for maybe the wild card option if she turned out to be the only one without ambitions.Admittedly, there is also a good chance that on account of being tormented by Tywin she was forced to put a lot more focus on intrigue during this time around. However, that shouldn't factor out her strengths, as otherwise, yet against wouldn't ruin the whole point of Asha being an option in the first place? As for Jason not knowing...at this point, I blame Jason's innocence and how quickly Asha has successfully mastered how to keep him perfectly distracted. Much to my annoyance. I cannot even blame the guy; I underestimated how quickly she would figure him out.Tyrion bro, you're my only hope!I want to know what she is up to, damn it, on account that all Jason wants to do is build...>>6390031Asha is a very typical Ironborn IF they had a pair of tits and an actual brain. Jason, on the other hand, is uh...special. With a heart and mind so pure even the purist and most chaste of maidens would blush in jealousy.>>6390084Balon would already be having a giggle and smile while dreaming every night when Asha finally explains Jason to him, because Tywin unwittingly solved his biggest problem with his backup plan. Her uncles would hate him.
>>6390125>"hey wait this guy isn't as heavy as a log">throws guy off a balconyJason would be a primo griefer. "Oh man you trained for like, two decades. Well the edge of the wall is right there and I am activating my tard strength so have a nice Fall see you next Winter.".
>>6390132Don't forget all the backstabbing and running away through hidden passages. Not to metnion leading gangs of fellow backstabbers. God forbid if he brings out the siege weapons or builds defenses.
>>6390133I am 100% convinced that if he were a show character there would be memes about him stealing shoes in a castle, then throwing legos on the ground as he dashed away with his own feet safely protected by his boots. Because I am sure there would be a scene where he throws caltrops or debris on the ground to slow someone down. Because he understands shapes and how hard they are to walk on. Truly a master of geometry.
>>6390076cool then
>>6390136He would definitely be the sneaky asshole of the television show, basically the war version of Littlefinger or Varys. The character you would just think is some retarded twink who gets bullied by his a bitch of a lesbian wife who cheats on him constantly with women. Until the BIG reveal showing the true terror of the twink and that it was actually a power couple all along.Then, when you think he will finally die after being trapped and hunted down in a castle somewhere completely surrounded...nobody gets out alive. As they slowly get ripped apart by all the traps, thrown off ledges, boobytraps, ambushes, and backstabbed. He sneaks away scot free through some hidden passage, whistling a merry tune while playing with some blocks in a boat or the back of a cart. Turned out he wasn't even there anymore after who knows how long. They were fooled into killing each other with the 'surprise' he left behind for them.Big reveal would be when he's building some defenses that utterly wreck the enemy army to hilarious degree with some light foreshadowing about him other works in construction depending on how they wanna play it. Maybe even two big reveals as a double reveal to show why the two are together and in happily in love despite their wild differences. By showcasing what happens when the two team up for a siege. Than the viewers really shit just got REAL unlike before.
>>6390140You are putting far too much faith in the showrunners to not make "some retarded twink who gets bullied by his a bitch of a lesbian wife who cheats on him constantly with women" Jason's actual character, especially considering how badly they butchered Tyrion, Renly, and Edmure's characters in the show.
Anons, please slow down. We are not some ultra guerilla vietcong macgyver. You're going too deep in your fanfic again...
>>6390140I imagine Jason's big like, notable showing would be when Rob Stark Invades the Westerlands. He's quick to take ground and win victories of course. But he finds that the number of knight freeholds and miniature fortresses makes moving unseen impossible.Then Robb Stark would find gates of casterly rock still open, still pulling in supplies and small folk for the defense. He charges in with his forces. Then the gates close, then stone walls fall to block their way. Then the hell begins.Robb would win, by virtue of escaping with his forces, but Casterly rock would remain untaken and many northman would have died within its halls.
>>6390144In a perfect world, amirite? Real shit if he didn't get killed for shock value to "enrage yara" which would also be like, a scene or two total of her lamenting that her silly husband died and nothing comes of it; then he'd probably get used as a semi-comedic character whose only purpose is to look at things and point out stuff for the audience to hear because they don't think the audience is smart enough to notice characters like Littlefinger and Varys just randomly knowing shit because there are secret passages and roads linking owned properties and stuff.
>>6390148Oh man, if Jason ends up in King's landing, he is going to map all the secret passages. Not for any other reason but because he finds it fun.
Now book version...would be trickier. You would basically have characters compare what Jason was like pre- and post-expedition. Older people would note how Tywin hated Jason for reminding him of the Laughing Lion while hating his twin dwarf brother Tyrion for killing his wife. While younger people would note Tyrion reacted by carousing, his twin Jason instead doubled down with his hobby but was still remarkably cordial, albeit a seemingly mediocre young man. Everyone, however would remember the tournament celebrating the defeat of the Greyjoys Rebellion. Which very nearly became a farce thanks to Cersei when she humiliated Asha and nearly started a disastrous fight between her husband Robert and the Lannisters by pointing out what the heir of Lannister did with his fiancée the day before, which had previously been kept a secret. Before that, Jason would have been unknown to the realm but what he did was something that nobody would ever dream of doing but successfully quelling Robert's Rage and even managing to please the King while easing relations between the rebellious Greyjoys and King himself at the cost of his reputation throughout the realm. Something truly unspeakable for any Lannister and something that even Tywin was helpless to stop despite his rage.That would have been the first time everyone ever truly heard of Jason Lannister and many rumors spawned from it despite Tywin's best efforts to squash them. A year later, the Building Lion wed the Kraken's Daughter. With the King himself showing up because as for once, he found a Lannister he actually liked and to spite his wife. Besides some words about his building efforts and education before his sudden disappearance secretly to journey to Valyria with his uncle...>>6390144Probably. Despite how simple Jason's character actually is. I hated the show and stopped watching after the first few seasons. I did read all the books.>>6390147I wonder what the book version would be like.
>>6390146Yeah, jumping into a prearranged secret passage and booking it to somewhere where he can get help is a bit different than "TRAPS, TRAPS EVERYWHERE"
>>6390150He is gonna drive Visyrs and Littlefinger insane entirely by accident. All their spies keep on reporting that Jason keeps on finding all their spots, entrances, and new passages. That he keeps recording for 'fun' apparently. He'll even find all the wildfire stashes, most likely and force Jaime to come clean when he starts asking questions about it.
Thinking about a way to pass time on the voyage we're gonna undertake, wouldn't it be fun to play a sort of "castellan's" game? The premise being that there is a point somewhere, with imaginary terrain around it, like being in a bay or atop a hill or somesuch. The goal of one side is to move a piece into the point, the goal of the other is to stop them. The Castellan side can place down walls and fortifications and engines but limited manpower. While the Besieger has limited engines but a large manpower pool. It's basically turn based capture the hill but you can play it with your imagination. A little wargame. Played in rounds, with each round escalating how much stuff you can employ. Give Jason something to use his blocks and figures for. And lets everyone keep their mind tested for strategy. Not that I imagine this would be fun to write, in fact it would be a pain in the dick, but it's fun to imagine Jason is trying to find a way to interact with his fellows and have a good time that they can get into as well. What sort of man doesn't like wargames, after all?>>6390150>"HARK! What are you doing crawling through dusty tunnels and emerging in untoward places, young man!?">"Did you know this passage leads to the baths? Nice spear by the way, please stop pointing it at me.">>6390155Bro Jaime breaking down from Jason constantly being grabbed by the Kingsguard and the castle guards and having to bail him out would be funny as hell. Then having to explain all the bullshit leading to Jaime crashing out about how the Mad King was a total fucking psycho and deserved it with this fifteen page powerpoint presentation. It'd be glorious.
>>6390155>>6390157Jason repeatedly stops Cersei and Jamie from banging because they were getting hot and heavy and Jason came out of a secret passage and they had to abort. It's not that he keeps doing it, it's just that every time they start Jamie thinks "oh fuck what if he's watching" and stops.
>>6390159Now THAT is funny.>Brother. Sister. Where your clothes at?>She needed help getting her dress on. So many clasps in hard to reach places.>And he just came from the bath.>Oh, I see. Well, carry on then, sorry for startling you.None the wiser.
>Cersei was worried that Tyrion was in the walls of the Red Keep>It was actually Jason, but he was hyper focused on a restoration project everyone else had forgotten about
>>6390152The issue with book version is that, He would not be a tactical genius or a martial talent. So he would be someone spoken of often, but rarely appearing. Sort of like Kevin. he would however have impact whenever someone bumbs into something he's had a direct hand in. At least as he is now
>>6390164>>6390159To be fair to Jason, that is entirely 100% in character for him, something his own wife, Asha, can personally testify to. So it's entirely plausible. Cersei will be torn between humiliation, relief, confusion, disbelief, and embarrassment. Jaime will have some very hilarious pointed questions and conversations with Tyrion over drinks about Jason and Asha's relationship.Still gotta kill the mood because what if Jason asks other people about what he saw?
>>6390175https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giF3A1d2ox0>>6390176Unless he got to be a PoV character for a while. For something important going on with war preparations. But I doubt he would be.>>6390177The funniest thing is Jason would probably never suspect anything untoward happening between Cersei and Jaime just because in his mind "They're twins, of course they spend a lot of time together and are most comfortable with each other. Tyrion and I are the same way.". And the fact that if he ever, EVER said that in earshot of someone once rumors started really spreading about Jaime and Cersei it would be conflated similarly is the scariest and funniest shit ever.
>>6390084It depends how Jason and Asha come back. Survivors is already a miracle, Victors is exceptionally difficult, and returning all has some Glorious Heroes is utterly impossible.One thing to note is that Jason&Asha are following Uncle Gerion expedition fleet (which will likely make some stops, especially the last one at Volantis so we can say goodbye to Tyrion and Tysha), and then reveal themselves with their cog when its the expedition fleet cant turn around.J&A while being able to improve their odds here in Oldtown before going, and across some of near Essos cities, have only 1 ship. And once they will come in contact with Gerion, he is the one in charge of the expedition. They can work with Gerion, but he will call the shots at large. >>6390157While some fun can be had, priority during travel would be reading about Valyria related topics, navigation for keep distance with Gerion fleet or an eye out for slavers and pirates, and likely talking a ton with Tyrion both about the expedition it self and if other preparations of some kind can be done (like the ones anons have suggested already), what they are going to do during the expedition (Tyrion would be active if he stays in Volantis. He is not a fool) and what of the future after coming out alive from there (Tyrion would definetly want to talk of that too, and hammer on Jason head to get back, him and Asha alive).
>>6390176I would imagine he would make an appearance should the duo appear in battle, especially sieging or as a side character with Asha or Tyrion as the focus.In terms of actually viewing him from POV...he wouldn't really seem like anything until OH SHIT happens with defenses or a siege. Then the weird oddball in the background suddenly turns out to be far more important and dangerous, thus very much appearances can be deceiving character.Kinda like that one jester character. At first what he says is hogwash until you think about and notice things. Suddenly, what he says makes a lot more sense...he would just be a character regarded with a surprising amount of trepidation for someone so 'harmless' and eccentric by other characters when mentioned.>>6390180I can only imagine how much Jaime's gonna die laughing when he finds out how hard Asha repeatedly and failed miserably to seduce Jason before the wedding from Tyrion the whole time. Even after getting married, Jason is still unbelievably innocent and naive about such matters. So he is never going to realize it. Hell, even after the rumors start flying, he is gonna be of the mind, 'aren't twins SUPPOSED to be close'? Never realizing the negative or sexual undertones and connotations...because it's Jason. His mind just doesn't go there or work like that. Fuck, its highly doubtful he even understands what a whore is or how it works.
>>6390181Actually I think Gerion only took his personal ship the Laughing Lion on this trip. Since the Lannister fleet is still being rebuilt. And it's noted that half his crew deserted him, not half the ships or anything like that. Leads me to believe he really did decide he was better off fucking off to Valyria by himself than staying around with Tyrion to listen to. I may be wrong about this, though.>priority during travel would be reading about Valyria related topicsAlso fair enough.
>>6390180>>6390183I think the biggest thing about Jason if he had been in the books or the show, is how events would have unfolded differently due to Tywin having an actual heir who can inherit The Westerlands.Tyrion's trial was an excuse to force Jamie into filling those shoes. Then there's also Asha's presence, and how that'd effect the Greyjoys.Jason has a very curious position in The Game.
>>6390209Interestingly I think most events would play out the same, the various alliances remain mostly the same except the Iron Islands would probably fall into a proper alliance with the Lannisters if Asha could truly win their throne with Lannister backing. Though Joffrey would again be the weak link, if Margaery was still wed to him as per normal. However with Jason potentially having children, assuming he didn't go off on adventure in the books proper, it's probably more likely that another Tyrell would be wed to one of Jason's children instead.This could lead to a serious western power bloc with Tywin at the head of it. And he'd then secure the Riverlands through cunning. With Jason being supportive and protective of Tyrion there would probably be a slightly stronger familial bond which might keep Tyrion from murdering Tywin. Assuming Jason can stop Tywin from having Tysha get a train ran on her. Which I believe he could. So instead she'd probably just get banished away from Tyrion. It's a really weird scenario in which Tywin might somehow despite all the bullshit from Cersei and Joffrey to ruin everything forever, keep his alliances and power intact. And I don't think Stannis could Mannis it hard enough to be a real threat and get enough headway in the North. It'd probably come down to Tywin's power bloc against Danaerys' looming threat.But I am probably forgetting a TON of shit.
>>6390254I think if Tywin hadn't died that Varys would eventually kill him like he does Kevan.
>>6390209>>6390254From my vantage, we have already made a few changes to the timeline that I think implicitly lead to some significant changes. Tyrion is the really big one, though that's maybe obvious because he is such a prominent character in the books. By sparing him the Tysha Trauma AND creating the infrastructure for him to have a long term happy romance with her, we have already saved Tywin's life. Tyrion kills Tywin because of what he says about Tysha after the trial, and I think a big part of why he even confronts him is because of that core trauma. Tywin won't be hiring a prostitute to spy on Tyrion now, he simply can't do so, and because of our mere existence, Tywin can't as easily leverage the trial to get Jaime to leave the Kingsguard, so is less incentivized to push for one. This also means that Oberyn's canon death is avoided, as is the incident that transforms the Mountain into a zombie juggernaut. Tywin may still want Tyrion dead, but that was a very public way to have to go about it that was embarrassing for the family. Tyrion may not even be able to be kidnapped by Catelyn Stark anymore, because he has a wife to spend time with and our retinue to be travelling in, rather than stopping at taverns mostly alone. He might not even be at Winterfell when/if Bran gets shoved out the window! He will probably never meet Bronn, and I think it'd be very interesting to see Bronn end up working in the employ of someone else, possibly even an enemy. We're yet to see how Asha marrying into Lannister really affects the Greyjoy subplots, but at a minimum I would say it is substantially more likely she'll be able to win the Kingsmoot, if that's still an ambition of hers as some anons suspect (and I do too, to be clear, I just don't think she is actively working on it the way she was able to in the books, because she does not have full freedom or her father's direct patronage anymore; she is in a similar position to Theon, estranged from her court, for now). Not certain, but now she will be entering that fray with the full backing of house Lannister and whatever muscle we are able to rope into our retinue. She is going to be a more dangerous fighter, with a wider array of training from better instructors, and she will be much better armed and armored as well. Her reformist case will be more compelling because it will be backed up a lot more effectively, including by her being able to gesture to her husband who is 1) a wizard and 2) responsible for fortifications in the Westerlands and Oldtown both that hard counter Ironborn tactics. This means having Asha as an enemy is unwise, and having her as a leader is profitable. So with Tyrion possibly not serving as hand of the king, there may not be a wildfire gambit to counter Stannis at Blackwater, and yet with Asha in the mix, the possibility of an Iron Fleet flanking them would likely mean Stannis doesn't even try a naval invasion at all, and instead develops a strategy to attack by land.
>>6390263Yeah that's fair. I suppose I think Tywin is just canny enough to avoid the same end that Kevan and Pycelle had. Perhaps I am overestimating him in that regard. But if Tyrion was more amiable with Tywin he might actually help him out here and tell him how shifty Varys truly is, if Tywin doesn't realize it himself in time. Cause Tywin sure as shit wouldn't believe Cersei if she told him, the daft bint. Everyone underestimates Varys, 'cept Tyrion. Maybe Baelish too.Of course, things have to play out how they have to play out. If it's necessary then it'll happen for the story to march on. >>6390266I would be very interested to see where Bronn turns up. His nature means he could turn up in anyone's employ should they lack scruples enough to tolerate a sellsword with no real honor. Perhaps he will throw his lot in with Stannis, or perhaps he'll simply follow the gold and wind up for the Lannisters anyway, maybe for Cersei instead of Tyrion. Wouldn't that be a hoot? Then Joffrey has a pet killer and Jason has a loyal bodyguard since they won't need for Sandor any more.>my husband is a wizard>the fuck does that matter?>do you want to be turned into a squirrel and never see the sea again?>okay relax lady, fuck I yield.kekPart of me still thinks Euron will be able to get the salt throne, primarily because more Ironborn might see Asha as turning greenlander despite the fact she would have more resources at her disposal, and the threat of letting her hubby make even more land even harder to raid. Though this may manifest as a more stark schism that leads to an actual civil war between the reformists and traditionalists under Euron.That is one where time will tell. Gonna have to let that one percolate for a while and see where the wind starts blowing.As for Stannis not trying a fleet action, he did manage to beat the Ironborn pretty soundly before at sea, he might still try it. Though in this case if he did, it would probably be more like D-Day because damn, Jason is gonna be on the backburner setting up some mean shit. Yeah, maybe a land action would be preferable. So far Jason has not displayed any cunning for land based sieges in the eyes of the various lords of Westeros, only sea-based ones. Which may be attributed to his wife instead of him in a ploy to smear his name. You know how rumor mongers are. Could be interesting how that plays out.
>>6390275>maybe for Cersei instead of Tyrion.Oh that's kind of diabolical, honestly. I could see him ending up with Baelish since he's lounging around the Eyrie when Tyrion meets him. He'd be one nasty piece of work if he locked in with Cersei or with Littlefinger. I think I could also see him getting along with Arya if they somehow ended up travelling together the way she did with Sandor. And nah man even when we don't 'need' a bodyguard, we should hang onto the Hound as our main squeeze the way Tywin and Cersei both use the Mountain. Jon has Tormund, Danny has Daario, Renly has Brienne; every great Lord has a random beefcake following them around, even a lot of ones that are already good enough fighters as is. The best players have like two or three (like Danny has Grey Worm, and Renly has Loras). I wanna be there for the Bowl!
>>6390295Cersei "strangle that infant" Lannister and "Pay me first" Bronn. A match made in hell. Hitched to littlefinger though Bronn goes from a dangerous man to an absolute fucking terror because he'll have brains backing him up. Gahdamn.Of course. It's only proper that Sandor stand behind us menacingly when we tell people their walls are thin and gates flimsy while looking directly at their wife because we are lost in thought. Honestly I think Sandor would probably get along better with Jason than he does Tyrion. Which is saying something cause they get along pretty well.
>>6390296To be fair to poor Sandor getting stuck babysitting Jason was such a special kind of hell that he completely changed his mind about tormenting knights, spending his time bullying them especially the Hightower knights and couldn't do anything about Tyrion with Tysha without screwing himself over. So he decided that the lovey dovey couple didn't exist for the sake of his own sanity and wellbeing.He is probably the only person who can sympathize with Asha about how disturbingly intimidating Jason can be entirely by accident and without meaning to. Its just Jason doesn't realize how frightening it is when a man lays out exactly how your army will be slaughtered and your defences will be destroyed in autistic detail. Asha learned that the hard way and Sandor watched it on repeat. I'm sure it grew on Sandor just as it grew on Asha. Especially when you get to enjoy a front row seat.Ironborn Lords are gonna be scared shitless of Jason once they taste the horrors of his design. As well as developing a disturbing appreciation for Asha's alarming taste in men. While Jason himself is mainly popular among the Knightholds and smallfolk along with a few defensive minded coastal lords.
>>6390308I think the primary reason that Sandor gets along with the lion boys is because Jason and Tyrion both treat him like a person. A fairly intimidating person but a person. Not in the sissy fru fru kind of way but the respectful acknowledgement of fellow humanity kind of way. There's no hidden contempt from them. No tacit agreement that he's only there because they pay him. He's just a guy, to them. But Tyrion is whip-smart, Jason is closer to Sandor's wavelength. Sure Sandor would probably leave if the coin was good enough elsewhere, and he would definitely run if it meant his survival, but that's fine, because that's what it takes to make it in this world. He's not a knight sworn to ideals. He's not honorbound. He's just here and that's good enough for the twin boys. Tyrion gets what Sandor is about and Jason just doesn't really seem to care. Two different vibes for people who don't ask you to do deplorable shit and just let you kill people when the time comes. Which is just fine for a man like Sandor. Because he really likes killing and he's really good at it. I think Sandor and Asha get along pretty well, too. Whereas the Lannister brats aren't true killers, she is. So there's that mutual understanding between them. Even if he knows he could fold her in two if they came to blows. He definitely still thinks she's a bitch though kekI also had a really funny thought that if we managed to find a second big Valyrian steel sword we could gift it to Sandor and name it "Contempt". Because good fucking lord that is a fitting name for a man like him to wield. And if we find a second smaller Valyrian steel blade we would naturally give it to Asha and call it "Wave-ripper" or something. But those are just funny thoughts and silly dreams. I am getting overambitious about this journey. Much to optimistic.
Crazy thought, but what if we tried learning of Rhoynish water magic in Dorne? When that doesn't pan out, because surely any record or traditions from so long ago would have been lost, perhaps it may be possible to find some information and lore of it in Essos somewhere? I've got that brain worm that suggests that maybe by learning of water magic, and learning enough of it or just the right parts of it, we might find a way to slow or halt Greyscale infections. Cure it outright, I find unlikely. But surely knowing the magic which seemingly birthed the disease would grant some insight into stymieing it's advance. bonus points for being apparently not icky blood magic like Valyrian magics werePipe dream I know, but I will grasp at straws to squeeze out ever goddamn drop of value from our Valyrian steel link lmao if even one useful thing can be learned I will consider it a great success.
>>6390360I'm sure that would be possible IF we chose the medicine link, because I'm sure Jason only knows how to pee, shit and keep his blood inside him lmaoAnd even then if we chose it we wouldn't know about that kind of magic, but yeah... It would be pretty much a 50/50 situation if we actually learn something about it or do nothing
>>6390393The way I see it, medical solutions to greyscale are super hit or miss. They seem to not actually do anything but instead give the person with the affliction a better drive to survive. Basically placebo effecting them. With the added side affect sometimes of disinfecting or scouring the infected tissues or the tissues nearby. So medicine clearly isn't doing as much as it should given how relatively common and how big a deal greyscale is treated as. It really does behave more like a curse than a mere sickness. There's definitely more to it than medicine can deal with. So I'd put more stonks into fixing it or doing something to it with magic that curatives.That being said, we probably will need to pick up some medical knowledge, or even history knowledge, to get there in the first place. It definitely is the longest shot it could possibly be. But I wanted to at least make mention of it. Also because we're on a boat. Being able to do something with water might just be kind of useful here. And we have quite a lot of time to kill and we certainly can't spend it all JUST reading about Valyria or learning how to navigate via the stars. We actually have more time than it would take for just that kind of stuff. Gotta fill it somehow.
What if we betray the lannisters in KL for another claimant?.
For instance if we find out about the incest we could launch a lannister civil war. Maybe even more interesting thought we lead this civil war as a war fleet as the army and land is loyal to tywin while the navy is loyal to us. Could be a intresting situation
>>6390585we should. Absolutely we should. Ideally as precisely and directly as possible, with as minimum of blood lost to our house.But we probably wont, until Tywin is dead. Kinslaying is a big crime.
>>6390585>>6390586I worry about the ramifications of what would happen to Jaime, Myrcella and Tommen. If we did do something it would have to be quiet, no one could know, just pull them outta there and force them to rescind their claims. Which you know Cersei. She will shout from the damn rooftops that her kids deserve to be in charge and refuse to leave. And Joffrey is going to do the same shit. They'll have almost no support in this instance but there will be people propping them up explicitly because they're dumb as fuck and can be disposed of later.
>>6390585It's pretty likely we won't even get a chance for that, again there are people with vested interests in creating chaos within KL.We'd have more chances to put Jalabhar as lord of the summer isles than actually preventing disaster from unfolding.Going up against Tywin in a civil war would run into the trouble of actually getting more loyalty/fear out of the westerlands than Tywin who's been in power since practically when he was a late teenager.Our best odds for which claimant to back are probably ironically enough with Aegon once Tywin is gone if we want to rescind Joffrey and Tommen's claims.But really, shouldn't we aim to get ourselves on the throne?
>>6390585>>6390586I had asked about this here>>6386866Though that's way far back. Depending on where other pieces have fallen on the board, I'm potentially interested in Jason throwing Cersei and her bastards under the bus. Without even being meta about it and considering the tens of thousands of lives her nonsense antics cost, even someone of Jason's intellect and moral character can say plainly that Joffrey should not be king, and she should not be near the throne. If Jason knew she had played a hand in killing Robert, I don't know why he would cover for her. I've been thinking about where to lean in the War of Five Kings and presently I think Stannis makes the most sense. Renly's critiques of him are fair, but they don't mean he isn't king by right. Robb just wants to break off the North, and that's entirely Cersei's fault, frankly. Though, since Tyrion won't be kidnapped by Cat, it's possible Ned won't be hobbled by Jaime's crew, and perhaps he won't push his gambit or be killed. So the war may have a different shape.
>>6390601>But really, shouldn't we aim to get ourselves on the throne?I would be down for this, or at least someone of our choosing, but a bunch of anons in here have repeatedly asserted that Jason has no ambition and would never consider doing something like that - but it's my understanding that the point of these kinds of games is that the players ultimately determine what the characters are about by choosing their actions... I would say that Jason would seek to at least have an Iron Throne that is friendly with and influenced by the Lannisters, but would probably only want to sit in the chair himself if he determined that all the other candidates were inferior. He might look at Danny and see the madness under the surface, or the way Stannis is being corrupted (at least once he has started doing blood magic), Renly's lack of legitimacy, etc. I imagine it'd be difficult for him to dispute a Jon Snow/Aegon rule, though, the guy is a class act. Tyrell's wouldn't be bad either, desu, they are schemers but they also manage a high standard of living, know how to manage money and resources. They just need someone with teeth to back them up.
>>6390611>I don't know why he would cover for her.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hoEYaLuDdcTywin do be instilling that family is important in his children. And as much as Jason despises his sister she is still family, and family is important. He probably would do his level best to avoid anything that would get her killed. Unless this trip forces him down the Punished Jason route and he decides hate is stronger than blood. And the Seven Kingdoms need STONE-SOLID ORDER.
>>6390619Jason barely even wants to rule Casterly Rock, why would he ever want to be king of an entire continent?
Jason will technically become King if Asha becomes the Reaver Queen.
>>6390622I don't agree with the premise that he 'barely wants to rule Casterly Rock', and haven't seen anything in any of the QM's updates that indicate that. It's my understanding that, as fraught as his relationship with Tywin is, he wants to make him proud and seems to serve his house dutifully as it's patriarch one day. I don't fully see him seeking the Iron Throne, but he's also 19 so there is plenty of time for that to change. This is what I mean about anon's deciding that our protag will forever be a passive bystander instead of having significant goals. I don't see the appeal as a player, or thorough reasoning for that.
>>6390585Okay, if we have the balls for it, then this could be really interesting... but who would we back?Stannis?Jon?Renly?>>6390601>But really, shouldn't we aim to get ourselves on the throne?wtf? No, not at all. Jason seems to have zero interest in that, like what >>6390622 said.If oog we anons want that to happen, then fair enough, but we'd have to make it happen via Asha and her relentless ambition since it'd be out of character for Jason to desire the throne. At most, maybe he'd want it for his children? Punished Jason like what >>6390621 said is the only way it'd make sense imo.
>>6390630Likely whatever Tywin says and if not whatever keeps the Westerlands from getting gutted. I see us more being defensive minded, building our fortifications and waiting out the clusterfuck to swoop in when it's the right time.
>>6390310Jason likes Sandor for being trustworthy and not throwing his twin under the bus. Sandor likes them both on account of treating him like a human being, even if Tyrion annoys him, as despite being a dwarf he still got a lover(which has gotta sting a lot for Sandor). As for doing deplorable shit, that is more Asha's pride and joy. Neither Tyrion or Jason would bother Sandor with that and it's something Asha would volunteer to handle as her forte. He definitely calls her out on it and being a bitch but she appreciates it and takes pride in the back and forth as neither of the two Lion boys would have the balls to challenge her like that. Even if Tyrion is willing to face her in wits.Sandor is definitely the only one can call Asha a horny, murderous, sadistic bitch to her face and get away with it. Likely with both of them smirking at each other the whole time. Asha would take it as a compliment.>>6390585>>6390586Jason will originally hesitate until he realizes how much of a problem Cersei truly is and Tywin's obsession with supporting her. Especially once he checks the lineage books and realizes how fucked their position is in King's Landing with endless claimants with cassus belli it will give. He won't believe the rumors and incest claims but he WILL believe the books of lineage. Likely after having a serious chat with Ned and refusing to let Jeffery and Cersei execute him while denying him the right to Take the Black. Jason is someone with strong principles and a spine, despite how cordial he normally behaves.If pushed he will kidnap Myrcella and Tommen before withdrawing from King's Landing to either Casterly Rock or the Iron Islands. Given his understanding of construction and secret tunnels fat chance of stopping his escape. He will refuse Ned's execution and be upset that Robert died(he actually liked his brother in law). His actual position is more likely to be based around damage control due to the sheer amount of fuckery that Cersei and Tywin will unleash, rather than picking any proper sides. So a civil war between Lions is a very real possibility when you consider the fact that Jason has a spine and principles.
>>6390627Jason has stated that he would have preferred Jaime be the heir, if only because he hated Tywin breathing down his neck all the time. And now he's chosen to run away with his wife to Old Valyria rather than fulfill his duty as the Lannister heir. When has he ever shown any indication that he WANTS to rule? He will rule because must, but it seems to me that he'd prefer not to.
I think while Jason isn't unambitious he isn't "I wanna be king" type ambition he's probably content with being the ruler of westerlands and building up forts n shiet. What I can see is that he doesn't really like ceresi. I can see him defending Jamie but ceresi?. Hell no. Since Jason doesn't care much about his rep throwing the lannisters of KL to the curb isn't exactly a line he won't cross. Especially if he does see something wrong morally atleast.
>>6390622>>6390630> It'd be out of character for Jason to desire the throne.I also happen to think it'd be out of character for Jason to trust other claimants with that sort of power.I don't mean of course by proposing it to mean Jason should be vying for power for the sake of it, but given his situation it would be a clear way to ensure his own safety from Cersei and people who will likely hate him for being a Lannister.If anything I think it'd be kind of ironic (and thus beautiful) for Jason to fill the role Tywin intended for himself at Tommen's side if he dies in a similar manner and time.Hand Jason does have a nice ring to it no?
>>6390587I believe in Asha will fix that problem for us. Originally she had it out for Tywin but than Cersei had to open her big stupid mouth and make a new enemy for no reason at all. I'm just waiting to see how Jeofry will piss her off too.>>6390601The problem with that is Danny and Others. Our position as a Lannister is mainly damage control. Specifically Cersei and her stupidity with Tywin doubling down on it.Also Asha is the overly ambitious one. Not Jason.>>6390627>>6390644Did you miss Jason and Tyrion talk about Jason being heir and patience? There is apparently a longstanding agreement between the twins of Jason being in charge with Tyrion as his #2 and right hand man. Jason isn't exactly very enthused about it on account of not exactly being the very ambitious sort and seeing himself as the mediocre son at the time. Which was slowly fixed with his self esteem improvements following his engineering achievements. Still not exactly ambitious though.>>6390630Whoever agrees not to fuck the Lannisters. Jason, unlike the rest of his family, will accept that their position is terrible thanks to Cersei and Tywin's bullshit. So he'll be more interested in siding with whoever offers the most leniency. Which is why he'll want fucking out of King's Landing ASAP in the first place once he realizes just how badly Cersei fucked them all with her bastards.Asha, on the other hand, is the real wild card in that equation.
I agree that if all possible he could probably get a good deal through the hightowers and the reach atleast. Since if renly has the hightowers the stormlands AND the westerlands he's basically already won. So I can see them giving him a status quo deal where he loses nothing but gains nothing atleast
>>6390654Jason doesn't hold his own reputation in high regard at all. To him he views it as another piece to play at best. He has accepted being a ruler but not a king. I mean he how else is he supposed to have time for his hobby? At least as ruler, he can use it as an excuse to improve the realm. For the Lannisters of KL kicking them to the curb is legit when he confirms how badly they just fucked House Lannister and made an enemy of everyone. Particularly when they cross the line and it turns out he does have a spine.Something Tywin and Cersei are gonna learn the hard way in the future.>>6390655Jason is humble enough to understand and know his limits. Tyrion? Yes. He would give up Tyrion, who DOES have that capability but Jason knows he doesn't have that ability. Most people look down on Tyrion despite his intellect. Jason doesn't hell Jason depends on Tyrion and takes it for granted that Tyrion is his right hand man. It is also why Jason doesn't hesitate to trust and depend upon Asha, his wife, despite her antics. He deeply appreciates and cherishes her capabilities. Especially if it's superior to his own(not hard). It's something that was drilled into him from birth. Being the most mediocre and yet the heir, he HAD to surround and ingratiate himself with whoever was more talented(which Tywin mistook for being the second Laughing Lion no its because he was humble and 'mediocre', so he understood perfectly just how fucked he was gonna be without being surrounded by those with talent).That is precisely why Jason really wouldn't want to be a King. Too much work. Too much responsibility. Too much talent required. Too little time to do the things he actually wants to do instead. The man barely accepts having to be Tywin's heir. Largely, that is more for Tyrion's sake than his own. Even with Asha whispering in his ears. Which suits Asha perfectly because she knows it's no problem whatsoever to gain control or handle her husband. Honestly, Jason arguably isn't even the biggest threat, it's fucking Asha, but nobody is likely to realize that until it's too late.>>6390658Stannis will just murder him with shadow/blood magick again.
>>6390655I can see him being Tommen's hand if only to keep his nephew safe and to stop Cersei from fucking things up any more than she already has but not out of any desire for power or for Lannister pride.>>6390656>So he'll be more interested in siding with whoever offers the most leniencySo Renly or possibly Daenerys? I'm not sure about Aegon but Stannis definitely won't show any mercy.
>>6390659This reminds me of a quote from an old L5R book on the scorpion."The daimyo was not the most talented of any of his clan, and in knowing this arranged his court with specialists in every regard. A lord does not need to be the cleverest, or the wittiest or the deadliest, he merely must have the wisdom to recognise how to order his affairs and not hinder his subordinates from carrying out his will."case in point, if you can trust your subordinates, let them do their work and act as a supervisor with veto powers.
>>6390656>The problem with that is Danny and Others.I do seriously think, even Daenerys having Dragons isn't quite as insurmountable as people think it is.Jason is kind of unique in that the skillset we're having him develop essentially has everything to do with coastal defense, building and commissioning ships and fortifcations (not even counting Asha).If the battle of the gullet is anything to go by, we at least have a chance.For the Others, i'm not sure we'd believe the stories.>>6390659You're right to mention Asha influencing Jason.However all the reasons you mention to justify why Jason wouldn't be a good fit are the very same reason why I think he would be. Knowing to delegate and one's own limit what could drive him to power on the basis that the people around him will likely drive him to that solution.I think you're correct in assessing Jason would find little pleasure in that turn of events, but Jason is indeed as you say the type of person that is familly-driven and duty-bound in that regard even if he hates that somehow Tywin drilled that into him.
>>6390663>case in point, if you can trust your subordinates, let them do their work and act as a supervisor with veto powers.Yeah, I agree with this and other anons pushing a similar characterization. I think it's just too early to flatly say that Jason has no great ambition - at his age, a lot about him is going to change in the next few years. He may be influenced by Asha and inspired to aim higher. He may be influenced by Tywin, even, and aim higher out of spite to prove the bastard wrong OR impress him or both. He may have his whole entire worldview and self image warped by his journey to Old Valyria, in fact I'd say it's quite likely. If he brings back Brightroar, or any half-ass relic even, and survives, I imagine it will deeply alter his sense of what he is capable of and maybe what he deserves. It will certainly alter other people's view of that! But in terms of style and flow, and where he is now, I agree that Jason knows his limits. If all he brings to the table is good judgment and enough money to fund whatever plan he has, surrounding himself with experts to cover his bases and deferring to them is the only way to go. He already has two of Westeros' best shit-kickers, and once we reunite with Tyrion we keep him on and have one of the sharpest minds. Just the three of them make us competitive with most of the other power blocs out there at the moment.
Look at life from Jason's perspective. If nothing had gone wrong. Tywin would die he would become ruler. With Tyrion has his right hand man and his brilliant/strong wife. He could focus on his hobby of becoming Westerland version of Brandon the Builder because fuck you, he has the gold. It is extremely unlikely that Tyrion and his wife would fuck up so hard that he would be forced to intervene for whatever reason. Which is what he would devote his life doing until he dies.Instead for whatever reason shit goes wrong and he finally rebels. Journeying to Valyria with Tyrion's favorite uncle and his wife from there everything goes wrong...>>6390662Renly initially for Jason until he dies. However with Asha's interference, she will likely push him towards North(Theon and Arya) and or Danny. Stannis will never forgive the Lannisters so that will be a fight to the death.With Asha the North is easy and predictable. No way she is gonna pass that up, as she adores the Starks. So she'll push Jason in that direction at first. Asha will try to reason with Stannis but fail. Secretly, it's entirely plausible that she found out about Danny or less likely Aegon. Given how much she has been focused on sharpening her intrigue skills against Tywin and sparring this time around. Especially with hanging out near Dorne and Essos. She could have found something. Especially after hearing about Danny, I doubt she'll resist the temptation of reaching out.Danny could very easily end up with some very unexpected support early on from the Kraken. Keep in mind Jason and Asha have very different priorities. Jason is more interested in damage control VS Asha's blatant ambitions. So for her, a wild card like Danny or Aegon is far more tempting. While Jason is more interested in security.
>>6390671>No way she is gonna pass that up, as she adores the Starks.I didn't realize she had ever met them, when was that?
>>6390668>For the Others, i'm not sure we'd believe the stories.Jason clearly puts stock in the stories and talks of magic and mysteries. Even if he may not believe them entirely. They're real enough to him that he was willing to unironically try to light a magic candle. Surely some of the other magical claims of this world have merit to them then, too.>>6390670>local man survives hellish trip to the ruin of valyria>claims to be "just a chill guy"Honestly being away from Tywin for such a prolongued time is bound to change something in Jason. Gerion is a super chill dude, Asha will gas Jason up and humor him, Tyrion and Tysha are gonna pal around with him freely where they all can laugh and smile unlike at home. Jason is absolutely going to change on this trip. The question is how. Will Valyria break him, or reforge him, or will he simply breeze past it on winds born of humility? It's interesting stuff.
>>6390671>Letting Renly die>Instead of having a wizard battle with MelissandreLame.
>>6390674>having a wizard battle>instead of just accidentally disrupting the magic without even realizing
>>6390663That is arguably the most dangerous and understated quality of Jason. One that nobody in Westeros notices except for maybe the Queen of Thorns. As Jason openly counts his wife as such.>>6390668Jason just delved into magic and will take the warnings of the Others seriously. As for Danny...Jason has no reason to be hostile to her if she offers leniency.>>6390672The Starks were the ones who negotiated for leniency towards her family and spared/saved her youngest brother. On top of that, they treated him very well as ward. She also admires their honor, strength, and spirit. While considering the North too poor and the people too tough to be worth raiding or conquering. Asha was always firmly against raiding the North and most grateful to the Starks. Even going up against Stannis on their behalf and opposing other Ironborn.Plus there is no way she isn't gonna drag us up there to visit Theon and discover Arya that she will adore/insist on being her daughter in law. So yeah she has met them at least Eddard she has met before when he took Theon. He let them say goodbye.
>>6390677>and discover Arya that she will adore/insist on being her daughter in law.Arya: "I hate Tywin Lannister and want him to die"Jason the Mason: "JOIN THE CLUB"
Please do not approach Arya Stark as a Lannister
>>6390720Why not? I bet she'd love to hear stories of Jason and Asha's exploits during their expedition to Valyria.
>>6390721Yeah, I've basically stopped following anons because they keep getting more and more ridiculous every time. I'm just waiting for an update. The discussion has been ruined by all the people who just want Jason to be some crazy quirky powerful OC man who hangs out with all the kewl character and does all the magics and blah blab blah
>>6390721It's a quest thread, anon. It is, inherently, a stupid fanfic. Let us have fun jerking off about our little wizard and his cool viking wife while QM is away.
>>6390724There's a difference between fanfic and stupid fanfic. This is stupid fanfic. This is turning Jason into an akun level protagonist.
>>6390721>>6390723I don't ACTUALLY want any of the super crazy shit to happen. That'd ruin the vibe that the story is still fairly grounded.It's just something silly to talk about while waiting between updates.
>>6390721>>6390723>>6390724Eh, I think all of the interesting ASOIAF characters are rather over the top. Euron and his elixirs and crew of mutes, Victarion wearing plate mail on ships, Mountain becoming an alchemical zombie, Arya as a Faceless Man, Roose Bolton coming off as some kind of vampire, Catelyn turning into Lady Stoneheart, Daenaerys Targaryen no further comment... Jason being a fort-master, marrying a viking pirate lady, learning magic, and having a voyage to Valyria he returns from with an undefined treasure are all things we specifically voted on. They are colorful, but they arent out of place for the setting and they are the result of votes. That said, I think some anons are not only extrapolating too much about what may happen or should happen from extremely innocuous details, or just from the books themselves, and I also think some theories or expectations have been repeated far more times than are necessary now. I think it's cool to spitball about who we might even back in the War of Five Kings because Joffrey is so obviously not in the best interest of our house. I don't think I need to hear about how Asha is planning to muster a fleet more than twice. But yaknow, it's nice to see so much energy on the board, and the discussion has stayed pretty damn polite and respectful. We are ultimately just playing pretend together, so I don't really begrudge folks sperging out about the stuff they are liking in this quest, or just curious about, not anymore than I'd want them to begrudge me for doing the same.
>>6390729you seem level headed and respectable.Roose, take your right of first nights with his wife
>>6390729Jason being a fort-master and marrying a Viking are colorful, learning magic from the hightowers and voyaging to Valyria and preventing the events of the book is some donut steel shit.
>>6390732I call point of disagreement. lack of commitment to the changes is Donut Steel shit.hurr hurr, we stop the Tysha rape but we keep him being ensnared by Shae later.Bad, not well considered, lacks substance.We stopped tyrion's slide into depravity, this results in him going under the notice of Tywin and finding the breathing room to plot an escape from the family and absconding with a large sum of gold and a letter of finances to the tyrells to cover his escape, thereby collpasing the Lannister illusion of endless wealth and placing the house on much weaker footing and thusly unable to support cersci's claim.Better. It's all bullshit, but by commiting to the bit, you are operating under the conceit of "what if this happened", and that's how a story starts. Repeated conceits are also, usually, not great.
>>6390732Well, I can say I voted to get to know Ned and would've rather we did a Coming of Age Tour, so I'm not particularly offended by that appraisal. But I don't really agree, either; they make us one of the more esoteric or unusual characters in the setting, but we're still not approaching Danny, Bran, Euron, Barristan, or Arya in terms of Mary/Gary Sue/Stu qualities, at least imo.
>>6390727>>6390729>>6390732Its just a few bitter faggots trying to stir shit again. Happened before earlier in the quest with the femdom shit. When literally nobody brought that up once until they did.For the record though learning magic and voyaging to Valyria is definitely pushing it but honestly so too is an actually reasonable Lannister who isn't a total piece of shit. That is cursed to trying to clean up their mess, but what do you expect from such a quest premise? I mean come on. Otherwise you shouldn't be there.Most discussion is to pass the time between QM updates about innocuous details, plotting(its literally Game of Thrones), and trying to predict what other characters are doing/events. With the occasional joke slipped in.Seriously how else are anons supposed to agree upon game plans for events that WILL happen in the future? Like the Others? Like the War of Five Kings? Do you expect the QM to demand a vote for every little thing? The quest will grind to a halt and complete shit flinging. When instead anons can discuss things ahead of time and debate when it doesn't matter without the pressure or consequences of it truly mattering yet. So there isn't too much pressure while anons talk about it.Also the QM explicitly laid out the MC as a mediocre character from the start with a single talent worth a damn. Who absolutely got shafted with the position he found himself in.>>6390739I didn't vote the Valyrian steel ring and for the expedition as otherwise it would have been wasted. Would rather have had the tour. Just gotta roll with it. Shit even my gambit with Asha failed miserably when she ended up outsmarting Jonas completely neutralizing it and that is definitely gonna bite us on the ass in the future. So much for her being the most direct and easiest to handle option...
>>6390743>Just gotta roll with it.I'm not complaining - may have liked a different path but the one we're on isn't bad. Frankly I'm quite curious to see where this goes.
>>6390723>>6390726This is hyperbole. In case anyone needed a visual example. >>6390731AAAIIIIEEEEEEE
As an aside, if Jason were a character in the TV show, which actor would you cast to portray him?
>>6390770Chris Pra-ACK JKCharlie Hunnam maybe, he has the chops but maybe too beefy Alex Pettyfer Lucas TillPrime Heath Ledger if he could be brought back for it
>>6390773Pedro Pasc- Aw SHIT they already got him. I'd have to go with young Matt Damon or Ryan Gosling. Or young Kevin Spacey, young Edward Norton, or a young Sean Patrick Flanery. Yes I will pick a bunch of old actors and specify their younger versions. And yes, every one of these actors has played a retard or social misanthrope of some description. Gotta do it for the meme.
>>6390732I mean, come on. He did not "learn magic". He can't cast spells or do wizard stuff. He merely read about mystical stuff so that he can recognize it when he sees it, or knows how to avoid getting cursed.Going to Valyria is not that crazy, especially since Uncle Gerion already does so in the canon, thus merely tagging along is still believable. Surviving it is what's impressive. The donut steel part is only if we manage to come back with any extravagant treasure. Preventing events from the book entirely depends. Saving Tysha is fairly reasonable since Jason isn't just Tyrion's brother; they're straight up twins. Beyond that, everything is just a butterfly effect where we'll have to see how things play out differently due to Tywin having an actual heir this time rather than needing to scramble.
>>6390785I tried to specifically go for blonde/lithe guys. I could go for a young Matt Damon, but idk about the others, personally. But you got me thinking that a younger Joaquin Phoenix with a good blonde dye job could kill it. >>6390787>butterfly effectYeah, this is one of the most interesting aspects of the quest. I have already pitched a bunch of speculation about how a reformed and monogamous Tyrion could actually vastly alter things, all the way up to sparing Robert and Ned their deaths, even. I haven't really thought enough about how Littlefinger is one of the biggest threats out there, though, and how without being able to frame Tyrion he could resort to something way more dastardly in order to pitch the realm into chaos... Gonna ruminate on that idea.
>>6390795It's been a while since I've watched the show or read anything. How hard would it be to get Baelish on our side rather than a foe? Would he demand that he get to marry into the Lannister family, or would something more mundane suffice?
>>6390797Trying to cozy up to Littlefinger seems like a bad idea to me.
>>6390787Real shit just by Jason being alive even if he were a potato who never left Casterly Rock and did fuckall in the story would change how it plays out. That's just facts bro. U rite>>6390795I was gonna go for all blondies, but then the idea of all spergs popped into my head and I couldn't help but giggle about it. I think Josh Hartnett could also do a pretty good job of it if he were blonde. >>6390797I think Baelish with his Catelyn / Sansa obsession would still try to make a world in which he could have either of them and still get ahead. He'd definitely sell us and our family out if it meant getting ahead.
>>6390797>>6390799Gotta agree with second anon, Baelish is loyal to no one by himself. In fact, the people he cares about the most arguably suffer more by his hands than his enemies. If I recall correctly he was involved in the murder of Jon Arryn, and the murder of Joffrey. I genuinely don't think he intended for Ned to die at King's Landing, but he did want him sent to The Wall, if not killed later on. That was after telling Ned to his face not to trust him. He also tells Varys to his face that he lusts for the Iron Throne and (famously) that 'chaos is a ladder'. I don't think he was truly fond of Lysa, but he kills her with his own hands. Catelyn is the woman he loved his whole life, and a byproduct of the chaos he caused was her watching her eldest son die while her throat is slit. That's worse than Ned got by a country mile. He sells Sansa, his next possessive love, to the third creepiest and probably most sadistic freak in all of Westeros, where she is abused in every way imaginable. Jason doesn't know all of that. But he will know that /no one/ likes Petyr Baelish except Catelyn Stark and Lysa Arryn, and no one trusts him except Catelyn Stark and sometimes Lysa Arryn. He will know that Petyr is transparently slimey, petty, and patronizing to anyone that has a conversation with him. It'd be quite reasonable for him to never be curious about a friendship with the guy, and we're better for it. He is probably gonna rock our shit in the intrigue arena though. He'll be a pretty horrific enemy at some point I suspect. That's cool though, game wouldn't be fun otherwise. I low-key do hope Bronn ends up with him and he makes better plays and actually ends up being an endgame antagonist for us. Using our architism to be the first to infiltrate the Eyrie would be extremely cool and fitting.
Whose character is everyone's favorite, just for small talk? You too, QM, you ain't getting outta this. Personally, gotta say Jaime. He's got some depth to him and he goes through a lot of shit and I find it really interesting. Here's hoping he has a better fate this go round.
>>6390805>Nobody likes himThat's not true as far as I remember. Little finger explicitly is very well liked for 2 reasons, he throws money around like a lannister for celebrations and he is always happy to offer a debt.Show little finger is seen through but book Little finger manipulates everyone by being pleasant and not letting his mask slip
>>6390865Bobby B
>>6390865I like Strong Belwas
>>6390732Wait till Jason return from his little brightroar expedition with greyscale and becomes Jason "The Rock" Lannister.>>6390865Davos Seaworth, most character that sail ships often tend to be more interesting characters.
>>6390865Varys. His position is interesting and his aura is enchanting. I imagine he's really pleasant to spend time with.
You had not initially wanted to go, by the seven you had wanted to agree with your father that it was a foolish idea, an elaborate suicide. You had no reason to go, and you had every reason to try and forestall your uncle in his mad quest. You had dug up histories and record of Old Valyria, legend and hear say and rumors on what the doomed old empire held within.While you studied, Asha would on occasion leave port on her Cog, disappearing for days or even a few weeks, before suddenly returning. She would share what she heard of old Valyria with you from other sailors, while unloading cargo from Essos that you were certain she did not acquire in Essos. Her sailors were quiet on the matter, though they seemed to be paid well, more than you thought Asha’s allowance would cover. You valued the information though, and your Lady wife’s happiness, so you did not ask questions or accuse.Legends of deadly creature, of things hidden in the fog and smoke, of sounds, and of all the people who never returned. It had claimed armies, it had claimed your ancestor, and it had killed Aerea Targaryen. That had stopped your thoughts. The princess had died, not disappeared. She had returned in Balerion, alive, and landed at Kings landing. The Maesters tried to save her, but fiery creatures, seemingly parasites from the Doom, had found their way inside her. Logically this should have discouraged you further, however that was evidence to the contrary, evidence that the Doom was not guaranteed death. So you dug further.A dragon lord and his army disappeared, yet on closer inspection you found references to their armor being found in the free cities. All who ventured into the fog died, yet you found scattered accounts of local customs near the doom for burying recovered bodies. Most telling, the one that shattered the idea that the Doom was impenetrable, was Arch Maester Marwyn uncovering a single scrap of paper. Written in high Valyrian, on Vellum that shined like gold, was a description on how to use Dragon egg shells as a medicine. Most of the process required context and understanding of Valyrian alchemy neither you or Marwyn had any hope to know, but that sheet of paper had been brought back by a Maester twenty years after the conquest, and it had been filed away for safe keeping until Marwyn took it to study and protect.The journey was possible. The journey was survivable. And that had laid the foundation for you switching your opinion.(Cont)
>>6390985The brickwork was done by other things. You would be forced to return to Casterly rock soon, where you and Asha would once more be under the watcher gaze and thumb of your Father as he attempted to mold you into the Heir he desired, and punish you when you did not match the shape. Lady Asha would lose her freedom, forced to be the proper lady expected of the wife of a Westerosi Lord, her freedom taken and her time in the sea likely gutted. Casterly Rock would become a prison, one that you might not survive after experiencing the freedom of Oldtown.In addition, Tysha and Tyrion would be expected to return with you, placing them both at risk of discovery, a disastrous outcome as even now you had to work with Asha to curtail the passion of your twin when he was lost in his love. The fact that Sandor Clegane had not seen fit to speak on the matter to your father was a blessing you could never repay, one that had earned respect from you and Asha.Finally, there was the final piece. The mortar that held it all together. If you went back home, you would be a failure again. No accomplishment you could claim would be enough, it would be just short of the bare minimum. And the things that sparked passion in you would remain failings to correct in the eyes of Tywin Lannister.You had earned acclaim in Oldtown, respect, friendships with the Hightower children as fellow knights and men who respected and pursued knowledge. More than once did you wake from a dream disappointed to remember you were a Lannister and not a Hightower.So, you eventually broached the subject with Asha. You asked her what she thought of your mad idea to follow your uncle, to go against the wisdom of the world and brave the doom of Old Valyria.She rested on your arm, both of you sharing the covers in her bed upon her Cog, the Iron Lion. The name was a small jab at both hers and your cultures, and it had stuck. She held your hand as you stared up at the ceiling of her quarters, the gentle sway of the sea a welcome and calming thing to you now. “So you want us to die?” She asked, not as an accusation but as a genuine question.You shook your head “No…I intend to return with you. To…claim a victory, to do something that maybe only I can do, only we can do…” you said, partly to convince her and partly to convince yourself. “All my life, I’ve never been able to claim a victory or a great accomplishment, not without it being not enough, or not important, or frivolous, or wasteful.” (Cont)
>>6390987“What about your towers? Your defense idea? It was really good, monumental even. It’ll fend off Ironborn raids for centuries, only the combined Ironfleet might be able to counter it.”“Yes, and I thank you so much for seeing its value…But my father, he doesn’t see the point. He…” you let out a tired, beaten down sigh “He moved the knights I set up, he shifted funds away from paying the signal fire keepers…he left it all standing, but now is there only in name. A false shield to make the smallfolk think it still remains while my Lord Father focuses on increasing the hold he has in the realm or securing his interests. I have no doubts that if an Ironborn raid were to come, it would slip through, and my father would use that as reason enough to dismantle the project entirely, blaming me for the failure.”Asha was silent, merely pressing herself closer to you and laying her head beneath your chin.“If I were to return from Old Valyria Alive, hells if I could bring something back, then no one could deny that victory. No man in the seven kingdoms could say anything but praise for that accomplishment, that the lowliest Lion managed to accomplish what Dragons and their Lords could not do.” You clenched a fist, and imagined it “No matter what my Lord Father could say, he could never take that from me, and he would never be able to speak against it for fear of what the realm would say. He would have to use my victory.” You said, your voice becoming firm, then your face fell.Asha slid up and placed a kiss on your cheek, you turning your neck to press your forehead to hers. “If we die, we’ll just be another group of idiots, another batch of fools who could not leave well enough alone. We would become a new cautionary tale, and your father would curse your name as a incompetent failure for all time.” She said, staring into your eyes. Hers were dark pools, portals into abyss beneath the waves while yours shone like green fields. “…yes…” you said, the weight of the statement settling on him “…It would be smarter to steel myself, and endure until my father dies. Perhaps stress will take him, then we can have the rock all to ourselves. Perhaps we only have to wait but a few years, maybe a decade…” you said, preparing yourself for that, settling the matter in your mind so that you could prepare yourself for your coming duties as the Lannister heir.(Cont)
>>6390989“Seven Hells fine, you’ve convinced me. We’ll follow your damn uncle.” Asha said, growling into your neck “would rather be dead than in chains, and your father knows how to make chains from just his glares and words…”You looked down to her “I wasn’t trying t-““Damn it I know, god you are insufferable. You have no idea the weight of your own words.” She said, closing her eyes and grumpily pulling the covers tighter over you both “And you have accomplished plenty…more than any other Greenlander could be expected to do.” She said, pinching you when you tried to reply, you simply closed your eyes and chose to sleep, wrapping your arms around her.After that, you broached the idea with your uncle, who refused outright. Your uncle forbade you to come, stating that the mere idea makes him worry for your sanity. He said that he was a fourth son, and he could do this because he had both the experience with Essos and its mysteries as well as because he ultimately was not integral to House Lannister. He promised not to mention your idea to your father, and told you to stay and ensure the Rock is ready for his eventual return.You elected to ignore this and began preparations.using a bit of funds from your own investments, as well as Asha’s “Mystery” funds, you assembled a proper chest for your plan, one you and your Twin had figured out.Tyrion would not be going into the Smoking Sea with you, and he laughed in your face when you hinted at the idea. He then tried to talk you out of the idea, stating “The world is a dark enough place with you in it, I don’t much care for the idea of it without you.”Ultimately though you convinced him of your mission, enough for him to accept it and work to plan a means of improving your odds. Tyrion would be staying in Volantis, on paper to help secure Lannister deals and interests in the city but to also serve as a hub for the expedition, a place that they could supply, rally around, and recover if the expedition took longer, multiple trips, or failed with survivors. Off the record though, Tyrion planned to marry Tysha there and set up a home, at least for a time. He had grown tired of treating Tysha like a secret, and this was the best way to finally do what he had been wanting to. He would hear no argument, stating that Volantis was beyond your father’s grasp, where a man with coin and cunning could carve out a refuge. He stated that if you died he would remain there for the rest of his life, and if you returned he would stay there until Tywin could not threaten his wife or children.(Cont)
>>6390991The news of you being an uncle had been a cause of celebration, one you kept to the Iron Lion with only you, Asha, Tyrion, The Hightower boys, and Tysha. Sandor knew of the party, but refused to step onto the boat to both maintain his own plausible deniability as well as the small space on the ocean. So you gave him a bonus, some fine wine, and told him to find some joy for himself. You’re not sure if he did, but the coin and wine were gone by the time you returned so you took that as good news.Afterwards it was a matter of waiting. You found reason to stay in OldTown, using the cover of working on trade deals as well as selling stone from the Westerlands to Old Town to repair and expand the city. So Uncle Gerion came to you, stopping by Oldtown before setting off further.There you drank, partied, and shared each others company as if it would be your last chance, Gerion not saying anything of the possibility he would disappear on this journey and you not saying anything about how you would accompany him.After a week, he set out. After a day, you went after him.Your party consisted of Asha, Yourself, Tyrion, Tysha, Sandor Clegane (who would be useless while at sea it seemed), as well as Ser Humfrey Hightower and a young summer island girl he had become infatuated with, Humfrey being the youngest of the Hightower sons and equal to you in age. Sandor Clegane came because his orders were to watch over you and ensure your safety, but also because had he stayed your father might have blamed him for your departure so he chose to go. You promised him a Valyrion steel weapon as reward if you survived, with Sandor saying that he’d take extra gold for his trouble instead.Ser Humfrey Hightower came because he was the fourth and youngest son of a family with plenty of heirs and knights. As a fellow fourth son, even if you were an Heir, you could relate and had found common ground, even if he was far more martially inclined. His lady love was interested in seeing more of the world, and a chance to visit Essos was something she greatly desired. She was quick to make friends with Tysha and you found her intelligence a welcome thing. While Humfrey and Asha dueled in their off times, you and Rella carried on in conversation. You found she was even sister to a Maester in training you had met, Alleras.(Cont)
>>6390992Asha left behind the crew she had been given, paying them extra to have them take longer going home or find their way, as she didn’t trust them to not betray you and her to Tywin. So you, Tyrion, Asha, Humfrey, and Tysha all worked together to sail the ship.So you all sailed, an adventure of a lifetime that took you further and further from the Rock. You cut through the water, taking in the sun and sea spray, enjoying fine company and conversation, all while you Watched Asha bloom behind the wheel of a ship.Then, came a complication. “We have ships incoming, fast and angry…They’re flying the Martell flag!” Tyrion called down from the crows nest, staying up there for now as he would struggle to descend quickly.Asha cursed and looked out “Damn it, they hid in the rocks and waited for us to pass. We got more ahead of us blocking the way. They knew we were coming!”The noise caused Sandor to step onto the deck, weapon at the ready, and even though he seemed miserable he seemed equally ready to kill.Humfrey looked at the ships, trying to gauge the threat before looking back “Think we could surrender? If they’re Martell men, then as Lords they should respect our passage.”>Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding. The Cog is built to be difficult to board and you have Asha, Sandor, and Ser Humfrey ready to defend.>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.>Other
>>6390995Are we flying the lanister flag?Yeah we can't stop. They're gonna wanna kill us, and if they close we can just immediately jump to defence.They want us dead, and telling them we are going to old valeria probably won't satisfy them.>Head to dangerous waters.
>>6390995>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.I must imagine that if anyone knows how to flee authorities on a boat, it's an Ironborn.
>>6390865I have a particular Fondness for Mance Rayder and that one iron born guy in the night's watch.Asha is also one of my all time favs
>>6390995>>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
>>6390184Ah really ? Only one ship ?Then this expedition is probably far harder than it could be. Two ships, then. The one of our Uncle, and the Iron Lion. And we will have a discussion with Gerion, once we surprise him at Valyria coasts. A rough start. But we can improve slightly our odds along the way, in the different coastal cities of Western Essos.>>6390995>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.Ships from behind and in front ? Did they see or intercept, the ship of Uncle Gerion ? Eitherway they where ready here. Someone from the southern dornish coastline, must have alerted them of two Lannister ships passing by. And there is a good chance they know of this waters, and if not the Martells sailors and marines, their salt dornish bannermen would know of how to move here. Having them in the Martell ships would be smart and simply practical.Our father infamous actions prove troublesome and dangerous.
>>6390995>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.>>6390999I'm a retard. I get that the Martells want us dead, but for what reason in particular? Just an easy opportunity to cripple the Lannisters? Or something specific?
>>6391037Tywin ordered the Mountain to kill Elia Martell and her children, at least one of whom was an infant. He took it further, because his job is walking War Crime, and raped her before killing her. Tywin did not discipline him for any part of this because he got what he wanted and places a premium on being feared. Martell's may want to kill us at sea for a few reasons. >They don't know we're the heir, they just see a Lannister ship and want to plunder it, kill the crew, and scuttle the ship so it seems to have disappeared. >They know we are the heir and they know that Tywin/Gerion aren't aware of our following the expedition, meaning they could kill us/sink us as above and we'd seemed to have disappeared. >They know we're the heir and don't know about the expedition and just see an opportunity to get even away from where Tywin's notice. It's possible if they boarded and saw who they were they would just shake us down for gold rather than risk a real civil war, if they don't already know it's Jason. It's possible they want to take us prisoner in order to humiliate Tywin in some fashion.
>>6391037Tywin Lannister ordered the death of Elia Martell and her children, who were the children of Rhaegar and thus claimants to Robert’s throne. He ordered their death in order to make the king owe him a debt so he could profit on Robert’s victory politically.However, he sent The Mountain and Armory Lorch, two turbo evil dudes. Elia Martell and her children died savagely, The young daughter stabbed over twenty times by Amory lorch, while the mountain swung the infant son into a wall head first.Elia herself was raped and then killed.Elia was the sister of Doren and Oberyn Martell, the heads of the Martell noble family. Their desire for revenge is massive and is the center point of basically any plot line connected to Dorne.
>>6390995>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.>message flag them the lyrics of the rains of Castemere if we make it out.
>>6391037Its not about Jason, Tyrion or Gerion. Or crippling Lannister ships and sea trade.Its about retribution for the crimes ordered by Tywin. With what Tywin did he started a cold war between House Lannister and House Martell. One that has not gone hot yet, because of several reasons.Usually Dorne doesn't really concern much with Westeros beside trade and noble affairs. They of course have their wars sure (be in Westeros, or the few attempts they made at taking the Stepstones), and the stone dornish vassals (infamous Vulture kings) often do small skirmishes/raids against reach lords or stormlander lords (marcher lords). But this goes a bit beyond the usual wars, its also Tywin fault.
>>6391040>while the mountain swung the infant son into a wall head first.Forgot about that detail. There is a direct thread between this and Joffrey beheading Ned. The brutality just goes unchecked until it foams up around the Lannisters ear and drowns them. Let's not become an early casualty of that if we can help it...
>>6391039>>6391040>>6391045Okay never mind. I'm not a retard; just dyslexic apparently .I thought that said Tyrell, not MartellI knew that Dorne hated us, but I was sitting there wondering "why does the Reach want us dead? We just stayed at Oldtown for a while..."
>>6390995Very important question to QM what flag does our ship bear?>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters. Cause if we bear the Lannister flags, we are fucked. If it's whatever flag Asha has been using, they would know better her and assume Jason and Tyrion are still in Old Town. Given she has been pirating, she would have been using several. No pirate ever bears a single flag. If its Asha's flag, we can likely get away with a meeting so long as we hide. It wouldn't be the first time she ran into them.
>>6391055You have a number non descript flag, since yeah she’s been pirating, but mostly other pirates and stuff to avoid getting too bad a rep
Good to know Asha kept pirating and Tyrion intends to stay behind...wait even after we come back? Oh no, we won't have anyone to counter Asha! Tyrion, you were my only hope! Of course Tywin sabotages Jason despite how beneficial it would have been to keep his setup and revolutionary the designs were. Fucking hell.>>6390865Male characters its Eddard and Jon Snow. Yes, I'm a sucker for honorable characters despite how much Martin has a hateboner for them.For female characters its Asha and Brienne because Tomboy Supremacy.>>6391056I mean right now. The one they saw. Has Asha been uh 'suppressing' other reavers or no? Since that is a thing they do to 'recruit' each other.Also one thing I wanna point out to you as a QM is in game excuse for Asha avoiding pregnancy. In canon, she doesn't have fertility problems, hence her expertise with moon tea given her high libido and honest albeit thoughtful sexual habits.
>>6391059like I said, you have a nondescript flag.
>>6391054Reach is in a weird position towards us. As Olenna is currently kicking herself in the ass over missing out on Jason. The truth behind events at the feast and tournament would have flown over everyone else's heads but hers. We hanging out with the Hightowers would also have won over her daughter in law. Olenna must be bitter as fuck now and blaming her son who has no fucking idea why she and his wife are being especially naggy for no reason at all ESPECIALLY bitchy whenever Jason gets brought up after when he was turned out for Margaery. He keeps on drooling over Jeoffry and keeps getting shut down. HARD.Olenna never liked Tywin but Jason is a VERY different story. The women of Tyrell control its politics, given how martially inclined their men are(which to be fair, they ARE great at...and suck absolute balls at intrigue). Much to the bitter complaint and long regret of Olenna for...how long now? At least since her husband, if not longer. Apparently, it's a longstanding problem of theirs. Anyway, the Reach despises Tywin and was made outright enemies to the Lannisters through Cersei. Jason's actions funnily enough made them reconsider their stance. Officially they would be like any other nobles, especially the notoriously prickly Reach, but in the backrooms, the women rule there and Olenna would have seen right through Jason. Olenna is the one who truly controls the Tyrells. It's why Tyrion and Tywin ignore everyone else among the Tyrells and only seriously consider Olenna's opinions.Tyrell men are disgusted by our conduct and laughing at Jason. Tyrell women are sitting there seething jelly as fuck at Asha while desperately plotting to see who can snatch Jason's heirs. Even Olenna isn't out of that particular ring.>>6391068K in that case switching from >>6391055>>6390995to >Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding. The Cog is built to be difficult to board and you have Asha, Sandor, and Ser Humfrey ready to defend.Make sure to hide the two Lannisters below deck. Having Sandor on deck isn't a surprise whatsoever on account of keeping Asha from escaping so that won't be suspicious. I would rather not make the Martells suspicious. That would be extremely bad especially with how scheming they are and how much they hate Lannister guts for great reason.
>>6391070>Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding. The Cog is built to be difficult to board and you have Asha, Sandor, and Ser Humfrey ready to defend.Make it easier to count. My bad.
>>6391055>It wouldn't be the first time she ran into them.Buddy we can't possibly assume that. >>6391059>wait even after we come back?Just until we have established enough of a power bloc/influence that Tywin can't make him miserable, it'll be ok. >As Olenna is currently kicking herself in the ass over missing out on Jason.Source?
>>6391070>It's why Tyrion and Tywin ignore everyone else among the Tyrells and only seriously consider Olenna's opinions.Wait seriously did I miss an update or something? When did we interact with Olenna or any of the Tyrell's at all?
>>6391086>>6391078This is I assume conjecture and theory by the Anon as I have not stated anything concerning Tyrell opinions in Jason
>>6391087Ok, thanks for clarifying. I really like that anon's enthusiasm but I have noticed he has jumped to a lot of conclusions about what's going on in-game and stated them as fact, and given the volume of replies I think it can be a bit confusing about what's going on.
On the one hand, if Sandor, Tyrion, Asha and Jason hide, buddy Humfrey could act like the captain of the vessel and might be able to get away with only paying a tithe or extortion. On the other hand, they might just try to kidnap the dudes. Which would lead to a fight with us already boarded or at least in close enough proximity to a boarding. If they find out Jason and Tyrion are on the ship they're just gonna go whole ham in trying to put us into a bag, black or body they'd be fine with either.On the other hand, we could sail out into bad waters with a ship that is not perfectly suited to it whereas their ships are probably a bit quicker and lighter. We'd be relying on Asha's admittedly astounding captaincy in that regard and we don't even need to get away, just make the pursuers think it's too much of a pain in the ass to try and catch us. I would prefer to get out of this without giving up any of our supplies or money for future supplies. But there is also the write in option of throwing some amount of loot or goods overboard while sailing away and hope they grab it and just ignore us.>>6390995>>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.Fuck it we ball. Note to self, mount upsized arbalests to the upper deck to put holes in people, or to launch chains to put holes in sails in the future.
>>6390995>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
>>6390995>Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding.It's a close call, but it would be more engaging story-wise to understand why they've decided to ambush us. Might Asha have previously caused them a lot of trouble?
I just saw this AI video on Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5SpeTHtcxwThe first 5 minutes are relevant, but then it goes off in a different direction where the boy becomes a logistics clerk.However, the comments section is interesting. It has a lot of relevant fan analysis on how things might have played out if Tywin had a 3rd son like Jason
>>6391202I found the comment where someone said Tywin would yeet Tyrion like DJ Jazzy Jeff to be pretty funny.
>>6390995>Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding. The Cog is built to be difficult to board and you have Asha, Sandor, and Ser Humfrey ready to defend.We have only bad options here, going into their own waters and hoping we somehow outmaneuver them there and they have no backup is tenuous.By choosing to engage far from the coast at least we're certain one of the two ships will get out of this intact by their own plan (jumping ship near Dorne is near certain death for us but not them!).We definitely should however not be the one to parley so as to gauge their reaction and see if they know we're onboard.
>>6391230Yeah, this one is kind of a tough pick, but I have to admit I chose to hazard the reefs partially to give Asha a chance to shine.
>>6391236I fully agree the best case is better if we go through the coastal waters and lose them that way.However we actually run the risk of dying or worse if we do it by drowing or being stranded in Dorne.Risking a boarding at least give us the certainty that one of the two ships and crews will win out, if it's ours we get to carry on our journey, if it's theirs we'll probably get saved and humiliated by Tywin.Even if the Martells have a score to settle with the Lannisters, attempting the murder the heir of the Hand and a Greyjoy in the process would be a bridge too far in term of diplomatic incidents so they'd not attempt it unless they're certain to succeed and maintain secrecy.Relying on our familly name suck but if it gets us in trouble we may as well use it to get us out of trouble too if push comes to shove.If it's just one ship I seriously think we could make them reconsider on the basis that they in failure risk far more than our life is worth.
>>6390995>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.It's too bad we don't have a 'yellow flag' to show we have disease on board. Maybe psyche them out by approaching and having Tyrion fool them by begging for a doctor and medication to treat the ill sailors of the ship. Naval trickery would be fun.
>>6391241The problem is there are multiple Dornish ships. If we are boarded by one the others will catch up and jump us as well.
>>6391245Faster ships can't do much of anything against a Cog i'm pretty sure.Maintaining secrecy on something like this is actually pretty hard, so I'm assuming the situation if someone is aware we're onboard that everyone isn't informed of it.Having multiple ships board ours would run a risk for them not of having us escape because we'd obviously die, but of having people eventually reveal how we died.Hence why I think they won't simply swarm us, they'd have to kill everyone involved in the secret or somehow hope 3 digits of sailors who drink every night somehow keep the secret.
>>6391258They could set our ship on fire. Force us into the drink and scoop us out. That is if we put up too much of a fight against the initial boarders and they decide to back off. And you can still capture someone who is resisting without killing them. Especially if you have numbers on your side. Jason isn't a good enough fighter on his own that he could not be subdued relatively safely by a mass of men. Sandor and Asha are too dangerous to try and take hostage through physical means, maybe Humphrey as well, so they'd probably be killed if they fought too hard instead of them trying to capture them.The easiest thing they could do if they are here because they know it's Jason and Tyrion on the boat would be to set the ship on fire. Or at least the sails. Which they could do if they got close enough to speak and parlay. If you're within shouting range on open sea, you're in range of bows and crossbows. If they don't know it's Jason and Tyrion on this boat, they probably would just be trying to rob the ship. Which would still be rather not great, because they would likely still want to board the ship to loot it.The best case scenario is that they aren't here to rob the ship or attack it at all, and are instead looking for pirates or warning of something nearby. Which is less likely in my eyes.
>>6391262Also i've not entertained the possibility much but there is also a very slim possibility that these aren't Martell ships at all.It'd not be entirely impossible that Tywin kept a tighter leash on the risk of Asha's escaping and that this is it.As to the risk inherent to the situation there is no question that if they came with the intent to sink us and make no secret of it we're fucked, you can't exactly outrun a fleet forever.However them ambushing us in this manner seem to indicate they're interested in doing more than merely sending us under and that they do want to board us.So really there's 4 possibility (in my humble terrible opinion):1. They know we're here and want us alive2. They aren't sure we're here and want us alive3. They're not targetting us in particular just our flag and this is racketeering (they make more money by letting us go and taxing us again)4. They want the ship
I don't like the idea of going to dangerous waters but also letting them board us is a good idea either, unless we try to make it like one anon said and have Jason and Tyrion hide in the ship.The only excuse I can come up with is to say that Asha and Sandor were hired by Humfrey, who came with his lady friend and Tysha as a "servant" of them. If things start to heat up Jason can come out and put a stop to all, saying something like "I'm the actual heir of Tywin, if you plan to do something the Martell won't only have to deal with my family but also to the Hightowers, who knows fairly well of where are we heading"The only other option I can think of is to go straight towards one of the ships that are in front of us full force, make distance with the ship on the back, and when we have a save distance try to maneuver around the first ship that comes to us and keep going forward. If we can cross them they will take time to turn around + they can't climb up to the Cog without falling from the boat. It all comes to see if Asha can win the mental game against the other ship and get the faint, or we clash and get into this mess.Other option would be to stop, hide, everyone takes their hands up, and the first one that tries to board us we take them as prisoners.Or we go ham and we use Jason training of lifting wood planks and we throw off the Martell's from their boat (and possibly end up stabbed or hurt).
>>6391264>you can't exactly outrun a fleet forever.Surprisingly you can. Or rather you don't have to. They need supplies just as much as we do, and if they are smaller vessels they likely have less space in the hold. And if they are out seeking plunder they definitely have less supplies since they would want more free space for possible loot. They will only chase so long as they think they can make a return trip without starving or going thirsty. We don't need to outrun them, we just need to keep enough space for long enough that it simply isn't worth chasing. And if they break off to resupply that's the end of it, they lose sight of us and we're as good as gone. There is no real way to track us and they can't have live coordinated communications to call a fresh ship to keep visual on us while the others get food and water. Limited by the times they are.If they aren't specifically hunting for Jason and Tyrion, they'd probably quickly give up. If they WERE here for us, they would be more dogged, which would give us the knowledge that we should be ready to kill them without question. I do think it's more likely that they are pirates of some description, just because the only people who should know we're out here are the Hightowers and Tywin via raven from the Hightowers. As well as lowborn gossip about our ship having left. Which shouldn't have been able to reach Dorne before we made this much headway. And certainly not so fast as to prepare a few ships to catch us specifically. They probably do want the ship or the cargo and are just doing GAYOPS with Martell colors. But there is always the possibility that they really are proper bannermen and not pirates. Can't discount it.It's a tricky spot, innit? Sure is fishy on the sea lmao>>6391265If we had a more nimble vessel it probably would be pretty funny to SWERVE these motherfuckers like that. I don't know if a cog has quite the same kind of sauce to dance around ships like that.
Looking like head into dangerous waters. Writing
>>6391272Jason knows how to swim, right? kek
>>6391273His nickname "The Sea Lion" might become quite literal today lol
>>6391275>Is 'e the sea lion or the stone lion?>well 'e didn't float so well they say!Let's hope the comedians singing songs are flattering either way.
Seeing the golden spear piercing the red sun on orange, your mind went back to the end of the rebellion, to the day your father showed the realm his ruthlessness. Two children, brutalized and killed, and their mother defiled, broken, then culled all to then be presented like hunted game to King Robert. It had been a ploy to place the king in Tywin’s debt, to secure Robert’s throne from any of Rhaegar’s children but more damning was to make it so Robert owed your father for letting him stay a hero. Because heroes do not murder children, they only let those who do go unpunished. You remembered the disgust you felt when you heard that, thirteen years old and forced to realize your father was worse than you imagined. Force to look at the eradication of the Reynes and Tarbecks as something other than a footnote in history, as a slaughter of women and children. He may not have killed all of the Tarbecks, but you knew if Armory Lorch had been there, the rumor of a survivor was false, just another corpse at the bottom of a well or such.“May my father burn in the seven hells!” You shouted out in anger, drawing everyone’s attention, alarming Tyrion and making Rella cover her mouth in shock “His damn Ruthlessness, his sins…We have to run,” you said, turning to Asha with a grave expression “The Martells have justice to enact, and I do not know what they might do with the Heir to the Rock, but… I cannot risk all of you, but my chance to keep my promise to Tyrion and perhaps fix my father’s mistakes.” You said, moving with purpose. “Tyrion, call out anything you see that could be a threat to Asha, Asha my love, do you think you can sail through more dangerous waters and lose them?”“The southern coast of Dorne is a nightmare of rocks, cliffs, whirlpools, krakens, all the other foul trials the drowned god thought to shit out!” Asha called back, already turning her wheel towards the dangerous waters.“Then it should be no issue for a true Ironborn reaver.” You said with a smile, before turning “Ser Humfrey, Sandor, you lot and I will follow every order to the letter, we have strength and speed, you two more than I, if we trust Asha, we’ll get through this.” You said, meeting Humfrey’s gaze and sharing a nod with him, before looking to the Hound “You’re brother is a piece of shit and if we get back to Casterly Rock alive you’re gonna behead him.” You said in rage.(Cont)
>>6391417Sandor gave a smile and nodded, before getting to work. You spared a glance back to the ships, and saw their sails unfurl as they made ready to pursue you into the waters, their hulls slimmer and closer to the water, faster ships likely to abide by the Dornish love of hit and run tactics.They also had the advantage of these being their waters, and thus they cut through with frightening speed. However, there were two advantages you had that would make it difficult for them to catch you.First was the design of the Cog itself. It was a fat ungraceful thing in most regards, made to dance a dance it was never meant to by Asha. It would be hard to board with its high sides, and hard to approach from the sides due to its width, as it would limit the other ships room to maneuver around the hazards of the Dornish sea.Second was Asha Greyjoy, the future Lady Lannister, was captaining this ship with three strong and intelligent men and an eagle eyed dwarf. You had faith in this crew, that if you failed to escape the dornish would not find an easy hostage of you.“Lady Tysha, Lady Rella, please go down below where it is safe. We will call you when the danger has passed you said, removing your fine shirt so that you could focus on working rather than sweating or getting caught. Tysha did just that, however Rella tied her hair up and began to help with the lines, helping furl the say part way to give Asha more control.“I fear I’ll have to refuse Lord Jason, because you’ll need more than one lady who knows the sea to get through this.” You looked at Rella and made ready to argue, only for her to smile “My mother is the captain of the Feathered Kiss, I know more about sailing than anyone else here besides Lady Asha. Now, get to work!” She called out, and you did as you were ordered.Asha let out a laugh as she watched you follow Her and Rella’s orders, Rella taking the role of first mate and Asha as captain rather easily. As the Iron Lion tipped and swung, hugging or crashing through the waves as Tyrion, Asha, and Rella shouted orders, you and Humfrey found yourselves both holding a rope to keep the sail in place.(Cont)
>>6391418“Where did you find your Lady Love Ser Humfrey? she’s more than just the sister of a maester!” You called out, a smile on your lips at the thrill of the situation.“In a pub! Where did you meet Lady Asha? She’s a terror that rivals the sea!” Humfrey answered back, his own smile on his face.You could have said the truth, that you met her when she was dragged to the rock as a trophy. But then you remembered when you and her kissed each other’s cheeks with your fists, and let out a laugh you would imagine the King himself would belt “In a Tavern!”The Iron Lion battered it’s way through the sea, with the shouts of Tyrion raining down for every sandbarge, discolored patch of water, or concerning current. He was no sailor, but he was observant. Asha listened and filtered the threats out, trusting Rella to catch any she missed as she spat out orders. The dornish sea crashed against the ship, sending water into the deck and drenching you, Humfrey, and Sandor, yet you pushed onward.“DORNISH SKIFF OFF PORT!” Tyrion shouted, you catching a glimps of the white sails of the Dornish vessel.“Hard to port, everyone!” Cried out Asha, turning the wheel.“Wait what, n-“ Rella began to say with wide eyes, before there was a slam as the much larger, much heavier, and much clumsier Cog slammed into the side of the Dornish ship. There was a crunch of wood, and the Dornish sales fell away.Asha let out a laugh “They’re running, they’ve lost their hunger now that they’ve bled!” Asha said, cackling as she turned the ship, Rella flew to the side and looked back at the ship, her eyes switching emotions before she looked down to the side of the Iron Lion “The hull held firm Captain, this bitch is a tough one.”Asha laughed, slapping her ship wheel as she nodded “Damn right she is, she’s too much woman for these light weights.” “Captain, the second ship is gaining, they’re cutting through our wake. It looks like they mean to board!” Tyrion called out, saying all he saw from his glance back before looking ahead once more.“Oh, they’re clever. If we hadn’t seen them they could have climbed up the back or through my room.” Asha said, letting out a growl as she shifted the wheel in time to dodge a rock. “These Damned Dornish.” She said, trying to think of a plan.“If these sandy cunts want to ride your ass, you might as well bring it to them.” Sandor said, doing the job of two men.(Cont)
>>6391419“What do y…that’s a risky play there Hound, it might just get us stuck.”“I’m no sailor, but I know what it’s like to chase someone. If you are stupid, you assume they’ll keep running until you knock’em down. They never expect to get punched for it.”Asha nodded, then shouted “Drop anchor, furl the sails! Let’s give them ramming speed!”You and the men questioned nothing, only acted. Rella made to argue, but Asha shouted down “Question my orders again Rella and you’ll either get thrown in the sea or the brig, whichever Jason stops me from doing last!”In a flurry of motion, the Iron Lion used the full might of its clumsy, fate, inelegant design, and became a rock that the Dornish ship slammed against. The ship managed to turn at the last second, the crunch of wood and scraping being heard before the Dornish ship careened off to a rock and slammed into it, beaching itself and stranding the men there.You all cheered, watching the men on the Dornish ship scramble to bring survivors and supplies from the sinking portions of the ship.After looking over the damage, you found that Asha had planned the impact well, or just got lucky. The bulbous backside of the cog had kept the Dornish skiff from colliding with anything important, and though there was a sizable dent in the side of the ship, it was above the water line and Asha was sure it would hold until they made it past Dorne.You and Humfrey cheered and clasped hands, men who had done fine work, while Sandor stood close by, scowling a little less.Meanwhile, Rella stood on the ropes looking out at the crashed Dornish ship “Captain Asha, they are waving a white flag, they’re requesting Parlay!” She said, looking unwell as she came down “We should help them, if we leave them there many might die before they are rescued.”“Fuck’em.” Said Asha and Sandor in unison, smirking at each other before Asha continued “They chased us, they lay the price. I’m not bringing them aboard just so they can stab me in the back.”Humfrey stepped forward “Lady Asha, Sandor, I realize they were our enemies but we cannot be so cruel as the abandon them, especially when they request parlay and surrender. We must save them. If they are truley Martell men, we can discover their intent and perhaps broker some peace, perhaps find safe passage ahead from future attacks.”(Cont)
>>6391420Tyrion managed to finally descend from the crows nest, Tysha helping him do so with some modicum of grace “While I fear them all the same, and want to support Lady Asha’s practical plan, the real issue is the damage to our vessel. I do not doubt Lady Asha’s assessment, but I assume that is under the assumption of ideal conditions.” He said, noting Asha not meeting his eyes at that “If we wish to get repairs, we should stack the deck in our favor and save these men. The Martells may hate us Lannisters, but families cherish their loved ones being returned.”The discussion continued, with Lady Rella, Tyrion, and Humfrey arguing for saving the stranded Dornishman. Asha, Lady Tysha, and Sandor argued to leave them there and let fate decide. You were the tie breaker.What do you do?>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.>Abandon the dornismen. They are not your responsibility and you did not want to risk contact with them. You would just have to hope the ships damage held and the trip to the next non-Dornish port remained Ideal.>Other
>>6391421>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.Make it very clear that attempting to take advantage of our good nature will just end up with them back in the sea.
>>6391421>>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.>Make sure to steal the Martell flag from the ship's ruinIf we're flying their flag we might be able to fool them into not fucking with us at port or along the way if we so choose at some point, just to have in the backburner. We can fly Hightower colors and have Humphrey and Rella pretend to be in charge while Tyrion, Sandor and Jason try to remain hidden. Jason and Sandor at least can wear helmets or something to cover their faces if need be. Tyrion just needs to stay out of sight. Asha could get away with whatever she needs to do, stay hidden or just bullshit in broad daylight. Claim the damage to the ship was from trying to rescue the Dornishmen rather than ramming them to shit. As long as we don't wind up in the same port any others from this encounter wind up at we'd be gucci. If repairs aren't urgently needed upon closer inspection at port we should definitely just move on to safer waters before getting patched up. Or do some quick and dirty shit just to make sure it's good enough before getting fully fixed outside of Dorne.Now I'm also wondering if perhaps we should ask Asha if she'd like to design a new ship that better suits her needs. I think it would probably come out more like a Caravel than a Cog or Carrack. A Caravel type ship would be more nimble than a cog, and a LOT faster. At the expense of some of its cargo hold. It would be less nimble than Ironborn longships, but it would be substantially larger, and faster with the wind behind it than the longships. With Lannister money backing her, and potential loot besides, it would probably be doable if we also paired her with a maester that knew about boats. Or if she's actually as acquainted with shipbuilding as much as she is with ship sailing she probably wouldn't need a nerd to help her along. But those are questions for the future.
>>6391421>Save themChivalry is just codified rules of engagement. And those rules exist to make damage minimised.
>>6391421>>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.Lannisters and debts, etc. etc.
>>6391421>>6391427Ok let's not sail into a port where we probably are even less safe than onboard an unsafe ship, but let's also not leave people out to die. Taking the flag is a great idea.>Other:>Bring the survivor onboard and bring them to shore two day's march from the nearest village or port.>Do take the flag if possible.That way saving them doesn't necessitate us to do as Tyrion said, even if it's obvious he's trying to give us a logical argument to throw at Asha and Sandor, it'd be very reckless to return prisonners ourselves with our ship in port.
>>6391421>>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.Just tie them up, Sail by a Dorn port and cut them loose one by one and push em off so they can swim to saftey.
>>6391421>>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.This lion is built different
Because I want to keep things going and this is thus far a landslide, I think I’ll tally up the votes and start writing.The honorable choice wins, Writing
>>6391480Wait... how many of them are there?If there's too many to fit onboard our boat, maybe we just take a few of them so that they can tell people where the stranded sailors are, and find Dornish help to do a proper rescue on their own, without us.
>>6391502You have the room
>>6391461Yeah shit that's a good idea to just dump em somewhere "close enough". Damn why didn't I think of that? I mean I'd still like to get the ship looked at ASAP but that would definitely save us headache of having to deal with Dornish port authority.
You guys are banking on the honor of a vengeful Martell house when Taywin breeched it first?Has no one learned from Ned? Honor is only good when it makes sense to adhere to those rules or you end up dead.
>>6391591Actually kinda am banking on this. Mainly insofar that these guys will be grateful we didn't leave them to die of starvation or exposure, and importantly that they will get zero credit if they do try to turn us in, it would be the port guys who would be able to steal the credit. So they gain nothing by ratting us out and they should have personal gratitude. It's only the men at the ports I would worry about, but we should be able to convincingly disguise ourselves to them. Jason doesn't get out enough to be very widely known on a visual level so all he has to do is hide his hair really. And Sandor just needs to hide his face.It's a gamble but not an awful one. And the other option is to hedge our bets on the weather being good. Never trust the sea. It is always trying to kill you.
>>6391591We aren't handling the guys directly to the tyrells. We are handing them to the port officials, banner men.
Anons, last night I had saw The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms in a sitting, and I loved it. And, as someone who have only seen GoT Season 1, specifically the episode where (I think) Ned Stark fights in KL and gets knocked down.I want to know: Is it still worth it to dig on to the tv show? I know the shitty last season on how astronomically dogshit it was, and also I'm already spoiled in some things going on in the story but I do not care about it. So, is it worth watching it in todays age?
>>6391597The show alters a fair amount of things so some spoilers don't apply, while some do. If you like the setting you should watch it. The last few seasons sputter, and the final season crashes and intentionally aims for the towers but aside from that the show was entertaining enough. It's a pretty decent way for getting a vague idea of a timeline of events that you'd otherwise only get from watching youtube summaries and AI slop. As with everything it's a question of use of your time. If you're an avid reader you could probably get the books and read them in the same time it'd take to watch all the decent parts of the show. If you don't do a lot of reading but still want to engage with the setting, then yeah may as well watch it.Some characters are renamed or entirely missing from the show, though. And some events are added or removed. So keep that in mind.
>>6391595It doesn't even have to be to the port officials. We can just drop the sailors off somewhere along the coast.My bigger concern is that they'll try to kill us on board the ship, so we better tie those ropes extra tight. Maybe keep a crossbow pointed at them at all times
>>6391600Throwing them along the coast throws away our benefit in rescuing them.We want them because we can trade their survival for good will with the port. Dropping them off on the shore leaves us with a lanister in a tyrell port with a broken ship.
>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.
>>6391610I think you meant Martell kek
>>6391591They can kill us at sea and sweep it under the rug, but attacking us at a port would instigate a civil war that the Martells would lose badly at this juncture. We don't need to ditch them on a sandbar, it will be fine. If the QM assured us going to Valyria isn't gonna end our story, he wouldn't let it end like that. We'll probably get a Dornish brownie point, fix our ship, and grab some supplies, but also maybe have to play catch up to Gerion (assuming he isn't stopped at whatever port we go to).
>>6391626The sand vipers and roses have similar names!We have been making that mistake a lot.
>>6391635You have to choose, Tyrell daughter or Martell son.
I just had a thought which I had to share because it was deeply amusing to me. So what if King Bobby asks Tywin where Tywin's son "The only one with working balls" is and now Tywin has to continually distract Robert from inviting Jason to events because Robert finds Jason so amusing for a Lannister? The mere idea of this made me chuckle. That we'd be inconveniencing Tywin so much simply by not being around. And naturally every time Robert brings Jason up to Cersei, and Cersei bitches out about it only fuels Robert's desire to have Jason show up just to rub it in her face.You're doing great, dad! kek
>>6391788That is why Robert bothered to show up for our wedding. Did you forget he did it just to spite Cersei as she refused to show up to her own brother's wedding and he discovered we were bearable to be around? Its yet another active point of contention between Robert and Cersei, apparently. A rare one that Robert can get vindicated by dragging Jason into it.In terms of funny thoughts I've had a realization. Since we are gonna survive this trip to Valyria, that means Asha is gonna get confirmed as the biggest baddest Ironborn Reaver in centuries if not outright millennia. Completely fixing her problem with building support among the Ironborn and making every Ironborn Reaver in Essos fight each other to swear allegiance to her, right? I mean wouldn't we end up with a frigging Ironborn Reaver fleet escorting us back home? Wouldn't that be fucking hilarious? Would that finally let Asha come clean about her ambitions, especially with Tyrion admitting he intends to stay in Essos and let Asha fully handle things until we settle shit with Tywin?
>>6391791Oh I remembered, I just found the logical next step of that, being that Robert wanting to hang out with his little brother in law, would cause grief to Cersei and Tywin to be very humorous. Since it probably escalated from "Yeah I'll do it JUST to fuck with Cersei" to "Yeah I'll do it to fuck with Cersei, but he's a decent little shit besides".Well I think there's still a non-zero chance that Euron makes it to Valyria before Asha and Jason can. And gets back to the Iron Isles early to drum up support while Asha is out and about. If Asha does actually make it to Valyria and we don't get taken off course for any number of reasons, it'll probably come to an EXTREMELY escalated version of the canon kingsmoot. Euron could very well accelerate things since Theon and Asha both are away from home this go around. Which may allow him to secure the Iron Islands faster than Asha can drum up support. Her return and announcement that she, too, made it to Valyria would shake things up in that case. Potential Ironborn civil war incoming. In this odd case, Balon would probably not have had the opportunity to declare independence and start waging war against the North. Though it can also be said that Asha having less time to herself directly leads to her being unable to drum up as much support and followers as in normal canon. Which her being to Valyria cancels out, and leads to her having equal footing with her progress in canon, in which case Euron still narrowly gets the win over the Ironborn. Keeping in mind, not everyone, in fact a great deal of people, will simply NOT believe she made it to Valyria. Until its proven by experience, tales, and loot. Which will take time for stories of that to spread. And even then people are still gonna call her a bullshitter. You know how it is.
You had never been given the choice over a man’s fate, over whether he would live or die, and this was as close as that got as if you chose to leave them there was a strong chance some or all may die if they are left here or their comrades could not reach them. They had pursued you, and you had little doubt that had they captured you they would have enjoyed having a Lion in their custody. Yet the decision was not a hard one, not when you asked yourself ‘What would Tywin Lannister do?’.“Lady Asha, brings us about, Ser Humfrey, Sandor, You come with me to parlay with their leader.”“What?!” Asha shouted down at you, glaring at you as she left the wheel after locking it “These are Martell men, they chased us, they-”You leveled a gaze to her, that hidden steel in your soul surfacing as you stood by your decision. “I am not my father, who would treat a man’s life like refuse or coins to spend. These rules of honor, of battlefield etiquette, exist for a reason. Not to simply posture and make oneself look good, but because it's what keeps wars and cycles of hate from taking root.” you said, leveling a gaze at Sandor and Asha “had my father been honorable, he would have taken Elia Martell and her children Hostage. They would have been taken to the rock, storm’s end, or winterfell where they would live in comfort, alive, and never able to press their claims. The Martells would know their family was alive, unspoiled, and thus they would have no need to seek vengeance. But because of my father, a blood debt has been made. I must pay that debt, not in blood, but in basic human fucking descency.” You said, seeing the disapproval in Asha’s gaze. “Now, please, do as I requested.”(+5 Disposition Humfrey Hightower, 10/20)(+5 Disposition Rella, 0/20)(-2 Disposition Asha, 13/20)The process took some time, but eventually you were able to bring the leader of the Martell ship onto the Iron Lion. Thanks to Rella’s presence, which seemed to calm the Dornish sailors, you were able to work with the Martell crew, and brought your worst fears aboard. Leg in a splint that left him unable to move unassisted, the man who stepped onto Asha’s ship was one of the most feared men in Westeros and Essos, a fighter of great skill, Prince of Dorne, the Red Viper. You felt your heart sink as Oberyn Martell, a reluctant smirk on his face, be hauled onto the Iron Lion. Falling back on Courtesy, you bowed to the Prince of Dorne as you would to anyone from a house of equal standing to your own, while Ser Humfrey bowed lower due to Oberyn’s higher standing. “Prince Oberyn, I must be honest I am shocked to see you here. I did not expect you to be aboard ships like these.”(Cont)
>>6391815Oberyn was lowered onto a crate so he could sit and speak, the man wincing at his leg as Rella stepped forward and began to examine it, which Oberyn did not react to as he leveled a stare at you. “Ah but you were not shocked they were Martell ships, judging by how quickly you decided to run.” He said, the man having a gaze that reminded you of Uncle Tygett, a warrior who was sizing up the opposition.“Suddenly being ambushed by two ships is already concerning enough, but when they bare the flag of a family who has reason to hate my father, I may be sympathetic but I know better than to rely on one thing in common to make a friendship.” You said with a smile, watching Oberyn’s face not change, but shift perhaps. He looked at you, then looked up to Asha, seeing her glaring down at him from the wheel, her axes ready. He saw Tyrion standing near the door that led deeper into the ship, blocking it, even as Tysha peaked from behind it. He then looked over Sandor and Ser Humfrey. “So, Ser Jason,” he said, making you concerned that he knew of your knighthood despite having been done in Oldtown and you having not revealed such details “What brings you to Dorne, if you are so cautious around my family?”“My own family, my Uncle Gerion, has set out on a journey to old Valyria. I intended to follow after him and return, hopefully with my family sword Brightroar.” You explained truthful, knowing that he likely had more information about you and your movements than you would like.Oberyn looked at you, considering your answer, then proved the truth to be the correct choice as he smiled and laughed “Haha! Honorable, Honest, and good taste in character?” he said, leaning back and relaxing as he looked to Rella “You failed to mention that in your letters Daughter.” Rella smiled, finishing her work on his leg as she stood “I only had so much to go on Father, he spent most of his time studying for his Links or with his wife, so he did not drink much with the other maesters in training and Humfrey spoke more of Sandor.” Rell said, turning to look at you, Humfrey, yourself, Tyrion, and Asha surprised. Sandor was marginally more annoyed. “I apologize for the deception My Lord Jason, Ser Humfrey, Lady Asha. I am Sarella Sand, fourthborn Natural daughter of the Red Viper.” She said with a smile.“Rella?” Humfrey said, sounding a bit shocked and worried.Sarella looked at Humfrey, giving him a beautiful smile as she nodded “I never lied where it mattered Humfrey, though again, I’m sorry I lied at all. I had to keep my identity secret in Oldtown for my own reasons, I was just fortunate to be there while Jason was there.” She said, Oberyn Martell chuckling.(Cont)
>>6391819“I did not initially feel comfortable with Sarella going to Oldtown to get her Links, but she’s proven an adept spy. Though, seems the Lady Asha was too skilled for me and my men.” he said, bowing his head to Asha “You sail like the Sea is yours Lady Asha, I’d stand in awe but please accept a nod in its stead, as well as my coin to repair your vessel.”Asha and Tyrion looked shocked, Asha shifting her glare away as she found it hard to glare at the smiling face of Oberyn, Tyrion shocked at the sudden disappearance of their bill “Oh do not be so shocked, you bested me, then showed honor, then admitted to be going on a suicide mission. I can do nothing but respect that.” he said, before sitting up and bowing his head in respect “Lord Jason Lannister, please aid me in bringing my crew back to port, and I shall pay for the damages to your vessel, and offer aid to your quest.”You looked at the crew of the Iron Lion, a little lost at this turn of events. When you found those gazes turned to your questioning, you had to decide for yourself. With a nod of your head, you stepped forward and held out your hand “I will be glad to see you to safety and these men to their families.”–You brought Oberyn and his crew to the nearest port, the castle of Hellgate Hall and the port town in its shadow a foreboding sight as you came to port. There, you were welcomed by Lord Harmen Uller, his brother Ser Ulwyck, and Harmen’s Natural Daughter Ellaria Sand, who came charging as she saw Oberyn being carried off the Iron Lion. “My love!” She called in distress, rushing to Oberyn’s side as he waved her over with a smile, taking her into his arms then wincing. “Ah careful careful, I’m afraid I will not be as much of an acrobat for a time for you my love. Do not fear, I am fine and returned to you, thanks to the little Lions.” he said, gesturing up to you and Tyrion as you came down, Sandor and Humfrey acting as honorguard as Asha was at your side and Tysha stayed close to tyrion. “Come you two, meet the fire in my heart and mother of my youngest daughters. Ellaria Sand.” he said, the women stepped forward and bowed to you, then hugged you when you made to bow.“Oh thank you for returning him, his foolishness will kill him one day, but you pushed the stranger away for now.” She said, pulling away and smiling as Asha stood ready to protect you possessively.(Cont)
>>6391821Lord Harmen Uller stepped forward, speaking briefly with the men exiting your ship, then conferring with Oberyn, before finally stepping to you and bowing “Lord Jason, it is an honor to receive you to my lands. With you saving My Prince, I will happily repair the damage to your vessel, and invite you to rest in Hellgate Hall until your ship is repaired and you are ready to depart.” He said, a servant bringing out portions of salted porn and bread, not a meal but an expedient way of giving Guest Right. Provided with it was a bottle of Dornish Red, freshly opened and prepared.Seeing this offering, you felt the tension in your heart ease, taking a small portion for yourself and obtaining the protection of Guest Right. Then, you motioned for Tyrion, who brought out a fine loaf of bread from the Westerlands, jam from the Reach, and jerky from Asha’s stores, and offered it to both Lord Harmen and Oberyn. Lord Harmen accepted and tasted the gift, thanking you. Meanwhile, Oberyn laughed “You are a strange fellow, offering guest right does not work just anywhere.” He said, taking and eating it all the same.“We are guests in each other's company, and while it is only a gift, I hope it is a gift well received.” You said, remembering Tyrion telling you such an idea was stupid but you simply replied that it was worth a try.Oberyn shook his head with a smile, and nodded “Of course of course, it has been too long since I’ve tasted fruit plucked from the Flower’s garden. Today is full of surprises. Come, let us leave your ship to the shipwrights and find comfort in Hellgate, this heat I can only assume is taxing for you northerners.” He said, allowing himself to be partly carried along by Ellaria Sand and one of his own men.“I shall stay with the ship Lord Jason. While I appreciate the hospitality, I…need some time alone to sort my own thoughts.” Ser Humfrey said, sharing a glance with Sarella Sand, before returning to the ship to stand guard. Sandor stayed with you, not allowing any mention of the idea to leave him at the ship, not that you would have suggested such.Hellgate Hall was an ancient keep, founded and built well before the conquest, near a thousand years ago this day. Built by the Kings of the Brimstone, House Dryland. This house was wiped out by the Martells in their rise to power in the Nymeria war, and it eventually fell into the hands of house Uller whose ancestral seat, Hellholt, lay up the river. With total claim of the river and port, House Uller had risen in standing within Dorne, and became close friends and Allie’s with the Martells who aided their ascent.(Cont)
>>6391823The hall was built in the style of Dorne, graceful curves in the stone work that allowed the defenders easy sight lines down the cliffs. The walls were striped in layers of black stone, with white stone besides them. With the sun shining directly on it, it grew difficult to stare directly at the keep, but once you were inside you found it to be cooler within the walls, and even more so inside the keep itself, yet the stone floor remained warm.Before anyone could stop you, you immediately began to question Lord Uller on the mechanics of the keep and its natural cooling. He was quick to hand you off to his Maester, while Tyrion apologized in your stead as you quickly wandered off to learn of Hellgate Hall’s construction. Asha rolled her eyes and almost followed, by Tyrion convinced her you would be alright. After that you didn’t see them until after nightfall when dinner was served.The mudbrick, slate stone, and Marble used in the construction of the walls was done in such as way as to dissipate and repel the heat of the sun away from the keep, while beneath the keep’s smooth stone floors were interlocking carved pillars that crisscrossed the foundation. These pillars, laid down by the original founders, absorb the heat and feed it upwards, while expelling most of it back outside. Together, this allowed Hellgate Hall to stay a perfect stable temperature year round.It was a marvelous find, an architectural marvel you had never known existed. You and Hellgate’s maester were ecstatic to converse about his studies into the matter, the man being a fellow scholar of mortar and construction at heart. It took Asha hunting you down and dragging you out of the Maester’s study to remind you that you were to dine at a Dornish Lord’s hall with a Martell Prince.“I deeply apologize for my rudeness, Lord Uller, Prince Oberyn. I lost myself, as I often do, to such a unique structure. I may not be as talented as my siblings, but architecture and construction are a passion of mine I have never been able to resist.” You said with a sheepish smile, Oberyn chuckling at your behavior while lord Uller graciously accepted your eccentricities and invited you to eat.The meal was spectacular, full of exotic dishes and spicy foods that were common in Dorne. Tyrion, Asha, Tysha, and Sandor stuck with what was the least spiced while keeping their tongue cool with water and juices. However, you found that you enjoyed the flavor. You had no tolerance for it, having never had it before, but while your party ate out of politeness and chose each bite with care, you truly set out to enjoy the exotic dishes and tastes even as you fought to keep your mouth from setting fire. (Cont)
>>6391825When you were even open to trying a dish that the Dornish themselves found a little spicy, you earned some smiles as you happily ate some, then some laughter as you nearly choked on the spice. Still, despite your awful endurance to the flavor, you complimented it nonetheless with a truthful appreciation for the ingredients and how the flavors mixed and played with the spices.After a night of good food and company, you all retired to your rooms, faced with a beautiful view of the Dornish sea and the port city below Hellgate Hall. You stood in the window and breathed in the air, the uniquely Dornish wind that felt nothing like the reach or the Westerlands. You felt at ease, staring down on the Dornish port, contemplating getting the recipe for many of the dishes you ate, maybe even hiring a Dornish chef once you got back to the rock. As you popped a spiced date into your mouth, Asha entered from the bath fully armored and armed “Are you ready?”You looked at her, dressed in a silk robe, a bowl of dates in your arm, and not at all ready for anything “I mean, I can be, though I did not know we were at the “armed and armored” level of foreplay, else I would have readied my chain mail and sword.” You said, as Asha stared at you. You popped another Date in your mouth. Asha slapped the bowl out of your hands “Ah, rude.”“How can you eat those?!”“They’re actually more sweet than spicy, you should try them actu-“ Asha slapped you upside the head as one would do to a fool.“No you idiot, how can you eat anything here knowing The Red Viper is here?! He’s infamous for his poisons, he went to the citadel to learn how to be a better poisoner some say!” Asha said, turning and rummaging through your bags to pull out clothing.You stooped down and brought the dates back to their bowl “Asha, we have guest right. We are safe. No sane man would break it.”Asha let out a growl and threw a shirt in your face “Why? Because your Seven gods forbid it? Because they’ll curse him and his family? They’ll come down from on high to protect you in particular because you ate some salt and bread?”(Cont)
>>6391827You tossed the shirt over your shoulder, then tossed another spiced date in your mouth “No, because it’s political suicide.” You said, sitting down on the bed and patting a spot next to you “Guest Right is a tool that protects everyone, Smallfolk and Noble, from treachery. You abide by it and you are respected, you are trusted, and you are treated with dignity and honor. If you break it, you lose all trust in you. No one will listen to your invitations for peace, will hear none from you. No man will let you into their home if they know you break Guest Right, and no man will enter yours for the same reason. A man who breaks guest right is cursed by the gods, and reviled by man. He will be offered no curtesy, because he gave none.” You said, lying back on the bed. “So get out of that armor and come to bed. I’m not ready for leather and steel in the bed I think.”Asha looked at you, a mix of disbelief and dawning trust “But what if he isn’t sane? What if he hates you that much? What if he wants you dead so much he’s willing to accept that outcome?”“If he wanted me dead, I probably would be by now.” You said, grabbing her hand and pulling her to bed, Asha resisted but not enough to win as she cuddled up to you “With all the food I ate, the drinks I tasted. If he wanted to poison me, I’d be dead by now. Not to mention how easily it would be to poison me from contact or powder. So be at peace, and if I die you have my permission to drown me back to life to kill me yourself.” You said, earning a laugh from her. You laid with her for a time, before you let out a grunt “seriously though, change, you knives are poking me and I wish to hug my wife without being stabbed.”“Ha, coward.” She said, reluctantly getting up after kissing your cheek and heading off to change.With that handled, you sighed and thought of what you would do tomorrow. It would be about a day before the Iron Lion was fixed and you could leave.>Explore Hellgate with Tyrion, taste the local culture and spend some quality time with your brother.>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.>Spend time with Asha, as you have a chance to enjoy her company before being stuck in a ship with others. Not that that’ll stop you. She may enjoy exploring the river between Hellgate and Hellholt.>Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.
>>6391828(Forgot to add, +5 Disposition with Oberyn Martell, 0/20)
>>6391828>Spend some quality time with your brother>Spend some time with the maester to learn about the construction and materials.I can't decide between either, so I will go for splitting it down the middle.
>>6391815>You felt your heart sink as Oberyn Martell, a reluctant smirk on his face, be hauled onto the Iron Lion.Ffffffuuuuuuuck. Also, damn you, Humphrey! This is your fault! Poor fucking guy.>>6391825Bro we definitely need to do something nice for Asha in the near future. Holy shit she is too good for us. Poor lady. Love her.>>6391828These are hard fucking options. I am tempted to go river trawling for reasons unrelated to Asha, of course. My flights of fancy are strong. But also checking out the cool rocks we found. Very strong character motivation. However, the bulk of why the construction of this place works is because it is in a hotter climate like Dorne. But all of these options are nice. And look like they have decent payoffs. Damn you, QM. Why must all of your bait be so juicy and tempting? Shit.I have changed my mind no less than six times already considering things.I want to get our ass kicked by Oberyn, because we might pick up some of his unusually fluid fighting style since we have been drilled in a more typical style at home. And we may also come to an understanding of hating the shit out of the Mountain if he decides to take the opportunity to make veiled small talk about the big freak in order to better gauge his prowess or hidden vulnerabilities only a Lannister may know of the man. Or go on the rivers in the 1 in a billion odds that we find some of the river dwellers with their strange and potentially esoteric habits on the water. And if not, talk about boats and ships with Asha. Or just have a good time. Always good to have a good time.Or learn and try to apply more advanced architectural theory with these strange methods of this place to our own projects. And as always, more knowledge leads to unexpected breakthroughs of understanding.I want to make sure Humfrey is okay, because that'll massively jack up relations with the Hightowers if he survives. And also because he would likely be pretty loyal to us besides. And wandering with Tyrion could lead to learning some tricks of charisma as well as local customs which could be expanded upon as we travel further and further afield. Much easier to blend in with a crowd when you don't act completely strange. You're pissing me off lmaoI cannot pick between sparring Oberyn, boating with Asha, or sperging with the Maester. I am being pulled in three directions.>>6391830Oh, good, we've been upgraded from "target" to "bait". Whew.
>>6391842>>6391839Your inability to choose pleases me
>>6391828>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.I for one can chose perfectly well
>>6391828>Spend time with Asha, as you have a chance to enjoy her company before being stuck in a ship with others. Not that that’ll stop you. She may enjoy exploring the river between Hellgate and Hellholt.Happy wife, happy life.
>>6391880Lookit this dude. Don't cream your jorts, bucko. zoz>>6391881>>6391882On the one hand, i wonder if the Maester would let us touch the dragon bones if we went on a tour with him. If yes, maybe if we could take some filings of the bone to keep some dragonbone powder in a jar or something. You never know when it might come in useful.On the other, I wonder if we can't ask Asha if she has a hyperfixation with boats like we do with castles. And when she doesn't, if she'd be down to look at a ship the same way we look at walls, which is to say, critically. She might enjoy it more than she expects.
>>6391828>Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.Outside of Tyrion and Asha, this could be Jason first friendship. Help our bro out with love. Getting Humfrey out of the ship will do him good, clear his mind and prep him for a talk with Sarella.I would like to talk more of architecture, or to do a spar with Oberyn. Same for feeding dozen of dates and lovely hugging Asha on a river (apply the Architect method to Asha). Or doing something funny with Tyrion. A bro needs our help though.
So whose relationship do we prioritize? I feel it's going to he difficult to raise Obyron once we leave and it might have some immediate usage. But at the same time I wanna know about Hellgate.>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.
>>6391828>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.
How hard is Jason going to fiend over the Dragon Roads when he first sees one, do y'all reckon?
>Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.Part of our responsibility in these types of situations is to keep the crew happy Let's talk to the ser and make sure he doesn't do something he'll regret
>>6391839I will change to >Check on Ser HumfreyIt'd be nice if this relationship could work out, but I dunno how I would feel to be betrayed like this.Not even talking about political utility, just I hope the guy would like her.
>>6391828>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.It's the most in character thing for Jason, I doubt he'll be able to resist examining the architecture of the old valyrian colony of Volantis (or Lys, if we decide to spend a day resupplying there) either. >(write in) Thank Asha sincerely for looking out for you, and say that you know bringing the Martells aboard was a risk and you shall not take such risks in the seas of Essos, and will be as ruthless as this voyage demandsIn the waters of Westeros we can be as honourbound as we want, but Essos is a different story. I'm glad for the current moment it all worked out tho, I wonder if Sarella will actually go to Valyria with us even after this.
Okay so the way I see it is buddying up with Oberyn is the secret 10,000 IQ play, but the Maester and tour option is the wildcard/mystery box. It'll either have some esoteric payoff or it'll be something more mundane in its application. However the route obscured would mean quite a bit of betrayals in the future, our own family included, multiple times. But it might give us options. Open doors for the far, far future. But it also hinges on so many other interpersonal opinions and interpretations of vengeance. The more I think the harder it gets. Paths upon paths. Could it be the road to the longest con or simply a slow suicide? But is that even something we would want in the first place? Ultimately in my mind it boils down to who we'd rather support at the end of it all for the Iron Throne. Oh, and of course how much we can trust any candidate and their power blocs to not fuck us over during or after. But now I'm just schizoposting and shadowrunning.>>6391828>>6391842>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.I'm going to go out on a limb here. Just for the possibility of future choices while hoping I'm not just delirious from lack of sleep and going off on the craziest of mental tangents kek. But I won't begrudge any of the other choices.
>>6391934I can agree to thanking her for having our backs, but she doesn't understand the point and purpose of Honour. This was the correct move to make, no matter how much she might think that honour is an idle sentiment.We explained it mid storm, they are rules to stop cycles of vengence. Promise that we will keep the ship and crew alive and well tended, but don't make concessions that "saving the martells was a risk without great gain".I'm not going to suggest letting a colony of greyscale get on board but I won't stand for bowing our heads when we made the objectively correct moves both in the moment and in hindsight.Honour isn't kindness and mercy, Honour is how Great Houses keep the peace.
>>6391939Honour goes for Westerosi society, Essos is a different beast all together. We shouldn't be dumb enough to bring ideals of honour to a place where that'll get us killed or enslaved.
>>6391943Honour is a social contract.If someone else doesn't participate in the contract then they are not subject to its protections.
>>6391946Yes, I don't see where we disagree. Honour is useful in Westeros, it'll get us killed in Essos. We still took a risk taking the Martells in, and in the mind of Asha it is probably a sign of how we will act the rest of the journey. I just think it best to quell those worries now
>>6391950Apologising.What we did needs no apology, because it was the Right [moral] and Correct [practical] action.To concede that it was a risk, which factually it was, without elaboration is to tacitly endorse her view that treating with our noble persuers was a mistake. And it is not.I don't wish for her to gain a false impression that we will act differently in the same situation and use this against us when it comes up again.
>>6391952Ah, I see your point. Although I do not think that is apologising. Honour is a risk even in Westeros, and realistically we won't or rather shouldn't be honourable all the time. After all, Daemon and Aenys Blackfyre were honourable, Eddard Stark was honourable, until that got them killed. We took a risk, and we should acknowledge that
>>6391828>>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.
>>6391828>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.Eh, beating us up will at least assuage his pain somewhat and will confirm that he doesn't have to go kill us abroad as we're likely going to die from basic inability to defend our own life.And should we return he won't try to kill us again due to the pity he feels that way.
>>6391957Ugh, this really is a hard one, but forget this - I CHANGE MY VOTE >Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.Making Oberyn hate us less isn't as dire as having a crew with good morale. We are gonna be depending on Hugh, and we will be brothers when this trip is through. We need Sarella, too.
>>6391955Comfort her, assure her of our intentions to protect, happy wife means a good life.If what she needs to hear is that we won't let sentiment get in the way of our prosperity then tell her that.We are a good person but that doesn't require we be self destructive and harming. We ain't a saint.
>>6391828>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.All the options are very good. Humpfrey does need support following this revelation and Oberyn's invitation strikes me as something we cannot refuse, but I'd want us to learn all there is to learn about our special interest.
>>6391828>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.Talk with him about getting justice for what Tywin did. Jason can't engage in kinslaying, but that doesn't stop us from proclaiming that we are genuinely disgusted by what happened and that we're open to Oberyn getting revenge on The Mountain.Further than that, even if Gregor doesn't give the confession that Oberyn wants, Jason would be able to publicly admit to the wrongdoings of his father once Tywin has passed away. It'd be political suicide, but it would be the "right thing to do" and might help ease the hostility between the Lannisters and Martells.The two families will never be friends after what happened, but at least things will be somewhat less awful.>>6391823>a servant bringing out portions of salted porn and breadPorn? Now THAT'S what I call Guest Right!
If we do get in contact with the martells long term being a traitor to our own house DOES sound intresting atleast. Because technically it'd make ceresi right which is impossible
>>6391828This is a trick option>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.Asha needs to meet the Martells on her own and open up with them in a framework that they both will understand and respect. More importantly, the Martells have NO idea how much Asha fucking HATES Tywin and needs him dead. Jason cannot because that will be considered kinslaying although we already gave away our intention to kill the Mountain to the Martell's through Rella.>Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.A problem that Jason is arguably the only Westerosi nobleman who can actually empathize with and has answers to. There is nothing traditional or normal about our relationship with Asha. Is in fact has quite a few similarities with Dornish style affairs. Something poor Humfrey desperately needs some advice about. So this is something only Jason can handle. Ergo this is my official vote.I'll admit the other options are REALLY tempting like spending time with Asha in Dorne of all places or the Maester. Plus Tyrion given how he intends to stay behind in Essos and no doubt will meet Danny early on.
>>6391957>>6391967QM would it be possible to send Asha to duel with Oberyn so we don't have to turn down his offer entirely if we elect to do something else? She might be more of a challenge and at least the two of them could get to know each other better. Would feel like a huge fumble to just turn him down completely when that seems like a pretty large gesture of potential friendship. I still think we should console Humfrey in the meantime.
>>6391937We just proved to Oberyn that we aren't like the other Lannisters hence he is no longer hostile to us but neither is he friendly. The same as the sand viper when she found out we intend to kill the Mountain. The rest of the Martells is still a very different story. If we gave him the Mountain's head that would be very different. The most dangerous is his older brother and his niece, who may try to seduce us just to piss off Daddy because of course she is gonna try to sleep with the son of their mortal enemy because fuck daddy and whatever other god forsaken scheme bounces around in her head. His older brother on the other hand is into full blown 4d chess and a Targ loyalist working with Varys. He's not as straightforward as his younger brother and wants the Targs back. So much harder to deal with.In terms of fullblown shadowrunning. Tyrion will stay behind in Essos will end up meeting up with Danny WAY fucking ahead of schedule, and won't return to Westeros until we counter Tywin. Meaning he openly acceded to Asha. Since he is a Lannister with an additional pot of gold from Jason to get started, he should do a pretty good job getting himself established. Asha got rid of the only person who could challenge her influence on Jason. After Valryia will easily be able to rally the Ironborn to her banner. Given how much of an insane achievement and flex it is even before returning to Westeros. Meaning Tywin won't be able to contain or restrict her. So, unless Euron pulls a fast one Iron Islands will erupt into Civil War or gain an official heir.
>>6392017>Tyrion will stay behind in Essos will end up meeting up with Danny WAY fucking ahead of schedule, and won't return to Westeros until we counter Tywin.I'm not betting on that, personally, I am pretty sure Danny is hiding in Pentos right now, and would avoid being seen or known by any Lannister at any cost for the time being. If Tyrion shacks up in Volantis I imagine she would steer clear.
>>6392015Hmmm, well one of the issues there is that Oberyn’s leg is still fucked, so a soar with you was likely possible, while Asha is less likely. Plus he has little to say to Ash. Hmmmmm, I’ll see how to votes end up and decide then.
>>6391828>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.I say this is the best option, and it also gives us time to have a 1-on-1 conversation and, if QM let us, maybe ask if Sarella told him about Humfrey and if he had a problem with her approach. Basically, I want Jason to ask him if he has any problem with those two dating and if Sarella can come, OR, even better, if Oberyn can tell to her daughter to go talk with Humfrey so they can clear things out before we continue with our travel.Also, I think we should make wifey happy>Talk to Asha in private and tell her: "I know why you didn't wanted to take Oberyn aboard and why you were so worried, thank you, but the reason why I did it, is because the Martell are way too deep into the politics of Westeros too, so they would respect Honor like our people there. But now I'll hear your warnings and I understand that in our travels, honour can cost us, if you feel in your gut that helping someone will be dangerous, I'll really consider it, I try to keep myself from danger the same way I would do with you."We just cement our position and let it be clear we think we did the right thing, but also reassure her we won't be so naive from now on.also that new captcha of writing what fuckass character we see is some bullshit. I'll knew them because I saw their design or something, but fuck me if you ask me their names
>>6392020Well if Tyrion sells or owns slaves he's going to get an early grave from Dany and her dragons, but I doubt Tyrion will support that institution anyways (even if he's staying in the slave capital of Essos). Dany is honestly one of my favourite characters, even if her earlier chapters are really fucking depressing. She's only 13 and doesn't deserve that shit. On that note, honestly the show butchered the story a bit by aging up all the characters. The books I feel was a great critique of how often children are victims of the political system and their family legacies at large, and are forced into roles by their circumstances that traumatises them and kills thousands. Robb is 16, Dany 13, Jon also is 15, Bran is 8 or 9 if I remember correctly when Bloodraven starts grooming him. Baelish is the same with Sansa. Jorah Mormont. Fucking hell you could build a second taller Wall with the amount of pedos in Westeros
>>6392017That do be what I talking about. The way I see it, if we want to throw our lot in with Dany and teh Targs, buddying up with Oberyn is the play. Because he's going to report everything he learned about us to Doran. If Doran's idea of payback for what Tywin and the Mountain did is to kill off all of Tywin's direct family, we'd be fucked. On the other hand, if his idea of vengeance is to instead steal away the allegiance of some of his children and kill the rest, making sure Oberyn speaks well of us is probably the only way to get our foot in that door.With Tyrion staying in Essos, Oberyn will not be able to find an excuse in King's Landing to fight with the Mountain. Which would mean Oberyn would probably need to talk to Jason about killing the big fucker, which he knows is something we want. or at least he will know. Which also plays into Doran's desire to kill the humongous cockhead. There's a few layers to this which pushes for a potential shadow alliance with the Martells. Since the Martells will not forgive the Lannisters for a long time, but might still ally with them to satisfy their need for vengeance should a decent Lannister arrive Which is us.I don't know if Tyrion will meet Dany faster, I don't recall her going to Volantis once she starts doing Things(TM) and she should be in Pentos for a few years for now til she gets shuffled off to the Dothraki. Since Tyrion is opting to stay in Volantis to wait on Jason. But more importantly Varys won't get a measure of Tyrion like in canon, so Illyrio might not quickly approach the lil man and steer him towards Dany, or Dany towards him. Though I CAN see Tyrion working with her when she pulls up with her dragons, solely to build a rapport between her and him so he can try to persuade her that his brothers are good, especially Jason, and that in her conquest she may find an ally in him but to at least spare him should they come to blows. Assuming of course Tywin doesn't die of dysentery or something before then. >>6392030To be fair, Jason did not know it was Oberyn who was overboard before he made that decision. And even further, if we knew it was Oberyn before making that decision would look even worse, given the Red Viper's reputation and storied temperament. Her position was pragmatic in the "these guys tried to fuck with us" way, rather than a political way. She's probably going to give us the "Honor will get you killed" speech ere long. And I have the feeling she'd rather her husband be seen as an honorless cur if it meant keeping him alive, since she doubtless thinks that no matter what happens she can just sail away with Jason in tow and somehow manage to keep him safe despite any obstacle. What a woman. Of course, honor only applies to the honorable, Jason probably wouldn't extend any courtesy to an assassin or bandits or godless freaks from afield.
>>6392030I will add this consoling to my vote here >>6391927>Adding a consoling to ashaAnd sure, I like the idea of putting asha forwards>Nominate Asha as the better duelist for the prince to build bridges with them
alrighty gonna start counting up votes, this is one of the more all over the place voting sessions, which i'm happy to see i offered good choices.Give me a minute and i'll post my findings, then I'll let anyone watching voice any like, mistakes i made in the count just to be sure.
>>6392049Ah yes excuse me mr. QM sir you miscounted the ten million votes for animorphing into a lion and playing with a ball of yarn
>>6392054I can confirm these statements, I mean, just look at all these votes here.Clearly, we voted unambigiously to animorph into a big cat and play with a ball of spun wool.Unbelievable, counters these days.
>>6392030>>6392037>>6392041If we do console Asha, then we should include some extra details concerning the upcoming expedition.It's fine for Jason to act honorable here in Westeros after we'd already won the confrontation, but in Old Valaryia?Disagreeing, hesitating, second-guessing, or getting caught up on morals and honor will get people killed. It won't just be us; Jason's indecisiveness could get people from Uncle Gerion's retinue killed.Hell, there's also the concern to Asha and Jason. We shouldn't even be meta-gaming to begin with about know that the QM won't kill us, but that doesn't mean that neither of the two lovebirds won't lose an eye or a limb. Asha could get seriously maimed while we're out there.So if she wins the vote, we should have Jason tell her that while we're out there, he'll have her back and not question her judgment since survival is on the line, and she knows more about survival than he does.
>>6392057Jeeze Louise man, why is it that you do the smart, practical thing and suddenly it's all about "your morals are going to doom us to death in the death-land".We're already going in, knowing it's super fuckin' dangerious and missteps get people killed. just because we spared PEOPLE, who we had defeated, In accordance with the honour system of our time, Decided IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT, it doesn't mean we're going to go limp wristed at "oh these starving cannible stone men are just hungry and misunderstood, lets allow them to board our ship and give us hugs as they so clearly want."Things will be harder, more stark and grisly in a place where even small things mean death and a level of paranoia is healthy.But for the love of the Builder, stop freaking out about the fact we did THE CORRECT COURSE OF ACTION.
>>6392060meant for you, not me >>6392060Doing what is correct, in both pragmatic, moral and honorable senses doesn't make us retarded. If we have to cut off an arm because it's infected with fire worms, we cut that shit off.if we have to lock someone in a room because they got infected by stone skin, we do it.if it's between the life of one or the whole ship, we sacrifice the one, just calm the hell down.
>>6392057Real shit though thank fuck for the hover-shows-post feature in full browsers. It doesn't help with people who forget to link their votes properly but otherwise makes it a lot easier to at a glance count things. Being able to just hover the cursor over the post number at the vote post itself is good QoL.>>6392060I'm pretty sure Jason is smart enough to know that half the men in Essos are slavers, the other half are religious nutjobs. And that things such as men gone mad with disease are to be put down like dogs. It's not like Jason is going to have a crisis of decision if there's a lull moment in a conflict with a pirate vessel. Or when a hellish creature comes creeping along. In times of actual danger Jason will probably put survival first, as one should. So I'm not too worried about it.As for the metagaming, yes, we SHOULD be acting on what Jason knows and not what we know. That is true. I will make some conceits for wanting to set up pins to knock down later, but we should be avoiding the "Well we know we can't die, so jump off the roof lol" shit. Cause that's just silly. This isn't that though. So no worries.
It'd be fine if we took a moment to talk to Asha more about what went down, but we don't need to 'console' her, she's not particularly fragile. If we'd left Oberyn behind he probably would have survived and his lust for revenge would have tripled. If he didn't, Sarella would have sent a raven to Doran and his lust for revenge would have quadrupled. Asha wasn't stupid to suggest abandoning them, but it was also a decision rooted entirely in reaver culture. She wasn't thinking about long term political implications, but Jason was, and I'd be surprised if she doesn't understand now that this was the right play. We lost a little disposition because it hurt her pride, and made her feel unsafe, and she doesn't trust the Martells (I suspect in no small part because she wants to protect us). But I think we should respect her enough to believe she will come to understand that this was the right move. Now, once we are out of Westerosi waters and are beyond the fog of Valyria, I actually do support ceding control of the ship entirely to Asha and letting her be the 'captain', and respecting her judgment. Once we make landfall we can take the lead again, relying on our mystical education and insights about whatever structures we see (i.e. 'this looks to be the kind of spire that would terminate in a barracks, we may make camp here' or 'the way these battlements have fractured suggests they once stood this high, meaning this was a bailey, and so there is likely the remnants of a well nearby' etc) to determine a best course of action.
>>6392069I am amenable, the open waters are where she knows best.The "consoling" is mostly further education on the appropriate actions as befits a greenlander. To remove the future instances where that may be an issue, and for her own use later. Reaver culture is retarded culture, but it works to degrees.in short, it isn't consoling because she is fragile, it is consoling so she doesn't have room to doubt our survival instinct.
4 Obryn5 Ser Humfrey 4 for Maesterit looks like Ser Humfrey gets a visit from his friend.In addition, I will be including the Asha write in as well as the recommending Asha face Oberyn, since it was such a close vote.,
>>6392074Very nice, thanks QM. Maybe Asha doesn't have much to say to Obie, but maybe having a friendly fight will make her less suspicious, too? I am noticing a pattern of us making Asha physically compete with guys she has beef with in order to become bros LMAO, first it was Bobby, now this.
>>6392064>>6392065>>6392066No no, I get that what Jason did was smart. I'm saying we should reassure Asha by telling her what she wants to hear; that we'll have her back when she makes decisions in Valaryia Sort of what this anon >>6392072 is saying
>>6392085>Ifitworks.png"Asha dear, I see your're getting rather hostile with the neighbour, let me arrange a duel"jokes aside, it's very funny.Putting even that aside, I think one of her comforts is the reduction of difficulties down into physical violence, which is relatively simple to determine.if someone was trying to kill you, vs trying to beat the shit out of you vs just stretching then it can make for a fairly easy distinguishing system between individuals
>>6392074>In addition, I will be including the Asha write in as well as the recommending Asha face Oberyn, since it was such a close vote.,>asha hangs out with oberyn >"So what's your husband like?">"He's a fool. A pretty fool. But a fool. He's the worst of those Lannister boys but I think that makes him the best of them.">"Is his cock big?">"Oh fuckin' huge."I am afraid of some of the things they might talk about. >>6392088Ah yeah that's fair. I guess "Console" is just a loaded word in our language. >>6392089Some people just speak better through their fists. Sometimes you can only learn things by hitting people and having them hit you back. It's a great judge of character. After all, no one would say Bronn is an honorable man and it sure as shit shows when he fights.On the flip side you have Jason "To a hammer, everything is a nail" Lannister. Not because he is stupid and singleminded, but because he really likes hammers and nails.
>>6392074Although all the options were great, I am glad that we are taking care of our friend. We can feed our brick and mortar autism later. Also QM masterful hint with that "My mother was the captain of the feathered kiss" I did not catch that at all, but like all good reveals it makes perfect sense in hindsight
>>6392098Oh good someone saw it XD Yeah I was trying to figure out what i could do to make the trip to Volantis fun, and realized you'd be passing dorne. after that it was digging around for how I could get it done. Turns out there is a hidden Sand snake in Old town, who knew!?Oh, btw, Sarella is aged up in this quest, for no other reason than I needed to be able to use her and she is not important otherwise in the main canon
>>6392098>>6392109I'll be real, went clean over my head. I read "my mother was a captain" and immediately went "Oh, I guess there's a minor ship's captain character in Oldtown I didn't know about or forgot." and put zero extra thought into it. I'm dumb as hell lmao
>>6392096Asha>So honey why did you insist on me gearing up for a spar before you meet with Sir Hightower>Well...um...you see...I might have doublebooked myself by accident and I just know how you LOVE a good fight so I need you tag in for me>Oh fin *sees Obyrn* YOU SON OF A->Love you so much BYE-"Oberyn>Why is Jason unarmed and Asha with him armed>Wait is he gonna fucking Dornish shuffle me?>"...So Asha your husband is um...you sure he doesn't have any Dornish in him by any chance?"
>>6392124Real "don't quote the deep magics at me witch" moment.Referee's will be called. Rulebook will be checked. Tournament staff will scratch their heads but declare it legal. A bad time was had by all but Jason the smarmy cunt.
>>6392124What is funny to me is that if Oberyn does decide to do a little tango with Asha, that would mean Jason has through sheer virtue of being a humble little tart secured two separate occasions for Asha to have contests with two legendary Westerosi warriors. Three if we count Sandor as a legendary warrior instead of "one of the most dangerous men in Westeros" as I'm sure she's tried to step to him as well at least once. What's next, gonna bring Arthur Dayne back from the dead to give her a thrashing? She's gonna wind up being even more horrifically lethal than in canon not because we could hire the best instructors but because she keeps having Jason throw her at the scariest motherfuckers on the continent.
>>6392109Thank god she is aged up, the last thing Westeros needs is more lordlings interested in minors. also I just got a "who is this character?" captcha and it was fucking easy pete? It still doesnt feel real
>>6392127>She's gonna wind up being even more horrifically lethal than in canon not because we could hire the best instructors but because she keeps having Jason throw her at the scariest motherfuckers on the continent.Also a small part of my suggesting she fight in our stead... Thinking of how Ned told Jaime he doesn't spar or duel so as to not show potential enemies his skills or weaknesses. Asha and Oberyn can both learn a couple things from each other, I'm sure.
>>6392127>Duel you? As you wish. Jason looks lovingly to his wife>Lady Asha, beat his ass.
>>6392135It does make one wonder just how good Ned really was. He was at least good enough to avoid getting quickly butchered by Arthur Dayne. Which is an achievement considering Dayne was THE finest warrior according to everyone around him. >>6392137Jason out here looking like a Pokemon trainer. "Asha, I choose you!"
>>6392152If Game of Thrones came out in the 2020s we'd be getting Potential Ned memes. I'll start."If and When he clears the snakes out of King's Landing, but never does!"
>>6392156They call him 006 Ha ha, GoldenEye reference0 notable kills0 big plot reveals6 times he could have solved all the problems
>>6392127>>6392135Asha also likely sparred against Jaime when he was visiting his brothers and clashed heavily against various Westerland and Reach knights. In terms of danger Asha unlike her canon self has been forced to actually put quite a few points into intrigue given how much she has directly clashed and been abused by Tywin. In addition this version of her also fixed her greatest weakness of having no husband, which Euron abused canonically to screw her over.Really the only thing she is lacking in vs her canon self is the lack of followers currently. In every other regard she is far stronger.Eddard was considered so dangerous in a fight that despite being in the middle of the Red Keep vs the King's Guard and an entire army they STILL resorted to taking hostages rather than ever risk fighting him. He also explicitly avoided ever publicizing his actual combat ability it's just secretly accepted he was insanely deadly in a fight despite the lack of witnesses or generally being unnoticed over other fighters(see fighting with Robert the show off).In terms of underrated most dangerous characters Eddard Stark is #1. Tywin. Varys. Littlefinger. Kingsguard Barristan. NOBODY dared sincerely fight the guy or even allow him to fight back at all. The man was apparently that mindblowingly dangerous. Too bad we never got to see just how dangerous Eddard Stark actually was in a fight, the man was a fucking underrated monster apparently that had anyone who knew anything at all scared shitless of him and desperately did everything they could to avoid a fight. Hence abusing his honor, holding hostages, and forcing him to surrender.
>>6392178I think he might've been carried by Ice a bit. He's a pretty tall guy with a long reach and an enormous sword. That means he can generate a LOT of leverage, and he's well built so that means a LOT of force on a sword that's immune to damage and has an unfathomably sharp edge. I think it's not unlikely to see him swinging Ice straight through a man's helmet and, more mundanely, controlling the fight with his incredible reach.Either that or he's pulling a King from One Punch Man.
>>6392178In my headcanon Ned is below Robert in terms of the Danger Scale. Which put hims far and above common knights and warriors. But he's clearly not "the best" by any metric. And a lot of the fear around him comes from the rumors that he 1v1'd Arthur Dayne. We know he didn't, but everyone else doesn't. But clearly Ned was competent enough that he survived when everyone else except Howland was dead, and kept Dayne's attention well enough that Howland was able to intervene. He's clearly an above average fighter, just not so much that he could throw down with Jaime and come out on top more often than not. Good enough to be a threat to the various great warriors, but not necessarily enough to be counted in the highest echelons of fighters.>>6392186I thought he only used Ice for ceremony and judicial stuff. Thought he used a regular sword and like a knife or something. Am I getting him mixed up with someone else?.
>>6392186Except he was in a Red Keep where he wouldn't be able to fully leverage Ice yet they were still too scared shitless to engage him. Otherwise true though.Very important to keep in mind Eddard's own admission that he actively keeps his true capabilities a close secret instead of actively showing off or revealing them. He was an extremely humble but deadly fighter.>>6392194In my opinion since it was never revealed just how dangerous he truly was. Eddard successfully kept up with Robert at his peak and yet somehow went strangely unnoticed given how freakishly strong that meant you had to be to do just that. Robert deemed Ed his #2 for a reason. Which meant Robert knew just how strong Ed was enough to be considered a dire threat and Robert was a warrior first and foremost so his metric would been foremost based on fighting ability FIRST. Some fought alongside Ed and the resulting reports from that.Also keep in mind Eddard was never RAISED to RULE, he was raised to FIGHT! It was only with the death of his older siblings that he took over the North. Much to his immense frustration as he was also forced to marry the fiancée of his older brother. He was such a fearsome fighter that he apparently could keep up with fucking Robert albeit not beat him regularly, given how they interacted. Unlike Robert he never let himself go and stayed disciplined throughout his life.While the only real public rumors about Ed's combat ability were against Arthur Dayne. All I'm saying is Eddard was a FAR better fighter than was commonly believed, albeit not Arthur Dayne level good.
>>6392215He might notv'e been able to fully leverage Ice... but that isn't enough to stop him from landing one good hit, and with Valyrian Steel that's all you need.
>>6392215My top 7, get it, cause the seven, anyway, are in no particular order, Jaime, Barristan, Oberyn, Robert, The Mountain, The Hound, and Brienne. Once you start getting to the top tiers of warrior prowess you start splitting hairs and more often than not it comes down to context and luck. This is considering people who are alive right now. Everyone on this list could kill anyone else on this list. And most of the next seven if we were to put them to page would also be able to reasonably beat and live through a fight with any of these seven as well. Like you start talking about top ten fighters in the world and shit the difference between them is usually minuscule unless otherwise specified.Also why are we using spoilers again? kek
