porn satisfies the guy from overcoming inertia to get a job to get a place to get a gf

>>84620907
This is white culture. No structure, no discipline, no expectations. Just do whatever the fuck you want! We'll always love and support you no matter what! You'll always have a place to stay.
Turns out that's actually a fucking terrible way to raise a child.

>>84620907
"Life" consists of a 9-5 job, taxes, corrupt elites, money struggles, consumerism, loneliness, mental illness, etc

>>84620907
It's because a man's primary drive is to create and care for a family, excepting the psychopaths women seem inexorably attracted to. This is all the average man wants out of life. And if it's too difficult to obtain to begin with (standards too high), won't last even if he jumps through all the hoops to make it happen (divorce rates, cheating) and is going to be a negative experience, then why would he try to do anything at all?

>>84620907
They would rather see the west burn to death before naming the real reasons. This men are already dead anyway, the only solution is to get money and gtfo to the third world where you can get cheap/free sex with local women ez. I won't count getting lucky and finding a still normal cute woman in the western gynocentric hell. I tried I really did so many times and the women were always the same.

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>>84620907
Cause men have been wired for 300k years to explore, hunt, fight, etc and suddenly you put them in office jobs where they sit for 8 hours and tell them spreading their legs when they sit is toxic masculinity

>>84620907
>beat-around-the-bush drivel to avoid saying the f-word. Feminism! Women
that and endless immigration/crime
Why would I participate in a society that treats me like shit

>>84620907
No virgin teen pussy, no work.

>>84620907
Men have access to the truth now... and the truth is soul-crushing for men.
Unless you're born lucky and get to experience a decent life due to your looks, you're pre-damned to a soul-crushing life of service and misery, from which you will barely benefit at all. So why participate?
You can keep your hamster wheel, I'll build my own.

>>84621000
Trips of truth. Nobody could be a neet if they didn't have enablers and people willing to let them leech, even if the host is the government. To be so entitled and petulant, to spend their lives taking and taking and never giving a thing, yet you can never make them realize that they can only live that way because they're successful parasites. I pray that a day comes where each and every one of them has to either find a way to contribute or they starve in the gutter.

>>84621114

LMAOOOO as if there aren't a bunch of men quiet quitting right now and doing the bare minimum to get by. The country doesn't prosper that way. NEETing is just the extreme end of a spectrum of male behaviors deleterious for society. Not addressing the root cause of these behaviors will eventually bleed over into affecting you directly.

Work is dumb because land is expensive and everything I'd want to do is illegal even if it weren't unreasonably expensive. Besides that, over half of any money you earn from waging is stolen and given to old people, women, and shitskins who didn't work for it and don't deserve it. Families are dumb become women are all whores(nonvirgins) and allowed to divorce.
At least books and anime can be interesting. Learn about stuff or self insert with a story about dying and waking up in oppositeland where everything isn't total shit. It's bad enough they made life so unbearably gay, but they even dedicate a whole month of the year to make it even gayer in a literal sense.
They've made life not worth living for any other reason besides spite or being too afraid to an hero.

juice ain't worth the squeeze these ho's ain't loyal to nothing, every single person from my graduating class that got married is now divorced, all of them are unhappy with their partners because the social contract is null, no loyalty, endless options, endless distraction, no value.

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>you want a good job? sorry immigrants deserve them more
>you want a house? sorry jews deserve to own 1 million homes instead
>you want a car? sure just buy the subscription to brake for $3,000 a month
>you want a gf? sure just date the single mom
>you want a normal gf? stfu incel holy shit you are everything wrong with society!

>>84621000
Actually it worked for 2000 years and we shaped the world in our image because of it. The game is simply not worth playing right now, but a billion of you slaves will never recreate what we built on the back of love and freedom

>>84621485
No. This current iteration of white parenting strategies was shaped during the hippie movement.

>>84620907
Men can sense it. The rot. The decay. Women are too wrapped up in their own ego, most of them anyway. I think it's instinctual, men are the protectors of society, it makes sense they would be able to feel when something is wrong.

>>84621522
Game is rigged. No incentives. Social contract burned. What's going on right now is not a result of parenting. It's also a perfectly rational reaction.

>>84620907
Cultural propagandistic rot seeded by american enemies given enough time to grow and become mainstream

If he is terminally online all he has to do is consume 10 hours of brainrot that says kill yourself, give up, only the 0.001 percent have the life you want, every relationship ends in divorce, if you have a thinning hair line or don't look like a supermodel you're a sub 5 male that should have died in a war. Also have you seen the cost of things lately?

>>84621535
Nothing is rigged. It's the same as it always ways. Historically only about 40% of men reproduced. It's always been a game of inter-male competition. The period in history where everyone married a loyal christian tradewife stay-at-home mom was an anomaly. Now online dating and the prevalence of non-committal relationships have returned us to a more natural state of affairs, where women are trying to hunt down a chad or at least trying to secure the highest quality male they can.
You're bitter because you feel you can't compete with other men, so instead of putting in effort to improve yourself and making yourself more appealing, you'd rather give up and waste your life on hedonistic hobbies.

>>84620907
I everyone in this thread is aids ridden faggot that should be beaten death and hung from their nutsacks.

>>84621522
Sorry bugman white people love their kids even when they fail, if anything this is the least pro child era of white people to ever exist and it still pisses off you unloved unsouled

>>84621594
>historically only 40% of men reproduced
Not in the white countries that kicked the shit out of your barbaric hovels lmao. Christianity, monogamy, and being high trust allowed whites to outcompete everyone everywhere and paint earth with our flag and language. We've undermined all those things so now we're in a rut and little bugs like you are going to skitter around in the ruins of our societies coming up with nonsensical explanations for it, unless and until a large enough group of whites figure it back out again.

>>84621620
I'm white and a white nationalist. Overly permissive, accepting, and lenient parenting styles leads to a lot of video game addicted losers with no ambition. I want to see white people do better.

>>84621594
Brother there are stats showing that its not 40% and its somewhere around 19%. Thats an alarming fucking stat dude.

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>>84621114
Men can still get by on the bare minimum easily if full NEETdom isn't possible. 20-30 hours per week with roommates would cover your bills if you move to some cheap, small town. It's what I did before inheriting a house. 4 of us split a 4 bedroom place for $400 each (rent was $1200, we paid $300 for rent plus another $100 for your share of utilities/household expenses). I was wagecucking at a grocery store so the employee discount on groceries kept bills down even more. I was taking home $14-1700 per month depending on how many hours I worked, which would have been extreme poverty with a wife/kids to support but allowed me to be pretty comfy as a single childless man. Living like that while working full time for a few years would be enough to eventually get your own mobile home or van or houseboat to live in and let you either go full NEET or part time wagie.

This is a big reason why (((they))) pushed to get women into the workforce. Women aren't content with the bare minimum like men can be. They have to constantly spend spend spend to be happy. In addition to destroying the value of labor and keeping the goyim from reproducing, women in the workforce also meant the ideal goycattle consumers had more money to piss away since they were no longer gatekept by their more frugal husbands.

>>84621594
I don't want to love in a society where my success means someone else's failure

>>84621631
Sure, much different times. Back when white people had strong, tight-knit communities, and strong ethnic identities and cohesion. They weren't faced with the multitude of life-draining temptations that are everywhere today like porn, video games, and social media.

>>84621660
>love

Freudian slip, meant live

>>84621594
When I say it's rigged I'm not talking about fucking women. There is more to life than fucking women and their vaginas you fucking retard.
No. I'm not going to grind for a society and ruling class that hates me and wants me dead. Yes I'm going to enjoy my anime, VR porn, video games, AI girlfriends. I'm going to quiet quit and do as little work as possible to survive and keep the lights and AC on. Or go full NEET. My life goal is to make as little money as I can so I pay the least amount possible in taxes to pedophiles.
And there's nothing you can do to stop it. And I am far from the only one.
I'm barley going to work, and I'm going to buy as little shit as possible. I'm not having kids and I'm not getting married.
I'm going to watch the world crumble around me.

>>84620907
no, it's capitalism and Zionism

>>84621594
>>84621647

Can you show proof of these stats?

>>84621660
Well then I guess you wouldn't want to live in any human society that has every existed. Mate selection has always been a game of competition. That's how nature and evolution work. The chads breed and the chuds seeth. Way of the world.

>>84621681
Yea in the same times we were fucking 13 year olds because if they were shittin out kids by the time they turned 20 they were useless meat, so whats your fucking point retard

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me everytime I see one of these sorts of threads

>>84621671
That's just giving up then. It's a very selfish act. Countless great men dedicated their lives to building up this civilization we've inherited, and I think we have a duty to fight for it. There are many things about modern society that I think are awful and backward. I still find it preferable to try to become the best version of myself I can be, to try to rise above the degeneracy and evil, and to try to make whatever impact I possibly can on making the world slightly better than it would have otherwise been for the next generation. That can be done in many different ways, from having children and raising them with proper values, to spreading a message, or convincing even one other person to make positive changes in their life.

Social Alienation: has a lot to do with it: I don't know why women would be surprised about that.

>>84621718
>Countless great men dedicated their lives to building up this civilization we've inherited
They did, then boomers sold it to Jews and now all that's left is an economic zone where every last bit of wealth flows to (((executives))) and (((shareholders))) and foreigners. I'd rather watch this rotten piece of shit burn down than fight for it.

>>84621764
This, we need a revolution

Stop supporting that which oppresses us

>>84621718
have fun busting your ass for a used ass whore then, no one's stopping you

>take away all jobs
>take away housing
>take away marriage
>take away their future
that's why they're uninterested in life

>>84620907
I don't know what's worse, the stupidity of the question itself, this being a reddit thread, or the fact that the post was written by AI.

>>84621641
You being a white nationalist doesnt make you smart, or have an opinion worth regarding on white people. The problem whites face isnt their parenting its a lack of reason to live in the society they're in, they need to be given one to be better. If abusing your kids was the missing ingredient india or any of these nonwhite countries would be a good place to live, cause they have that in spades. The missing piece from white civilization isn't riding your kids, its your kids having a white civilization to aspire to. They're missing role models and hope not nagging mothers and slave fathers.

>>84621718
If you want us back you can start with a few things. 1.) Reverse women's rights. 2.) Execute guilty pedophile elites 3.) America First not Israel First.
Until then, you're society is a joke and an impending implosion. Nothing I do is going to save it or stop it. But I'm not participating.

>>84621678
No one has given any concrete evidence of this "Only 20 percent of men reproduced" claim.

>>84621718
You are a bad person and fully culpable for the weight of your sins as well as those you enabled by being a bad person. If you contribute to society you are evil, because society is evil.

>>84621664
No ones actually choosing porn over a wife dumbass, or doom scrolling over a career. They've seen that those things arent realistically attainable to a satisfactory standard and coasting instead of working 200% harder for 10% gains. Stop raping the working man of half his income to support women, bums, and his own replacement, stop encouraging the degradation of women and marraige, and the men will come back.
>>84621681
Any white civilization in the last 5000 years, minus the last 30

>>84621775
Do you think a jobless NEET with no skills who's spent his life jerking off and playing video games is going to be prepared to engage in a revolution?

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>>84620907
Capitalism has become unsustainable. When boomers and billionaires control all the wealth and the women what's the point of working hard for scraps?

Like I could spend the next 20 years of my life working and still not be able to afford a house, and without a house no woman will want to marry me or start a family because they themselves are obsessed with status and class despite also being broke bitches.

It's easier to just do nothing and let society collapse without your contribution. Let the billionaires flip burgers if they need burger flippers so bad.

>>84621843
Remaining jobless annd a neet, jacking off and playing games is already a revolutionary act. Thank of the millions in interest lost on the college loans, home loans, car loans, wedding loans, wedding ring loans, credit cards divorce attorneys. Health Insurance premiums, taxes
Just saying no and jacking off is far more harmful to them than throwing your life away to become the next Luigi.

>>84621764
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>>84621798
George washinton was a general and the richest man in america. Ceasar was hero of rome. Hell even 20th century revolutionaries who were low class like hitler or stalin were war heroes and well read, or ruthless train robbers willing to kill anyone in their way. Theres no such thing as a revolution of weak and lazy people, jews spent 1500 years getting the shit kicked out of them before they even started their comeback arc.

Men are, justifiably, demoralized by and uninterested in this society, but thats not a good reason to throw in the towel and rot. If you want things to be different you need to rise past the learned helplessness and level yourself up enough to be part of the solution.You dont deserve to suffer just because you're incapable of being a revolutionary, but if you're unwilling to try to be a revolutionary then you should make peace with the fact that your alternative is just being a slave and you should stop talking about the great men who made things better. You are on the losing side of a war right now, previously you were winning, and if the other team can comeback then theres no reason you cant.

>>84621658
Thats why most laws were made. Imagine if you could get 10 men to buy up some land. Farming is the easiest thing in the world, especially if you have so many people just doing a couple of minutes of work each day. Load up a box of books for a buck each whenever going into town, shelf full of games. It'd be so chill that everyone would want that.
Thats the real reason we have race laws, build a big shared house for cool people and they will send ghetto thugs, women, etc to apply and then sue when they are disqualified and rightfully turned away. And if you let them in they are dirty, loud, and steal.
The jews are a problem.

>>84621883
If you were hurting the system by opting out the police would arrest you and put you to labor, becuase they have power and you do not. The system is more worried about white people that hate it leveling up and seeking to change it than they are about printing some money to make up for the loan you're too broke to pay back. If there is ever a critical mass of men not working then they can just show up, kick your ass, and enslave you because you have made yourself weak.

The country sucks and is upside down, that is an attack on you. Recognize that and prepare to be part of the counter attack.

I feel like answering these questions on here and responding to these types of threads are completely fucking useless and a waste of time, but whatever, I do it anyway. Its not like anyone of consequence is gonna read these responses and make change as a result. Its just a bunch of sad pathetic robots (myself included) crying out into an empty void. We get as much real value as we do crying out with the voice in our mind.

Anyway, from my experience, I have become an empty, defeated husk because life is fucking horrible in every conceivable way and ive essentially lost all hope and have died inside. I feel nothing anymore, i dont wanna try anymore, i just wanna fucking rot and die. The human spirit can only take so much, anyone with a functioning brain can recognize when your efforts are in vain and nothing you do can fix the terrors that lay ahead of you. We spent our whole lives being told that we are disgusting, detestable, disposable and useless. We are told we are worthless unless we are natural winners, and not everyone gets to be a winner. What is the point of trying if failure is destined? The future is bleak, there is nothing to live for. Every morning I question why I even bother getting out of bed and I can never really give myself a good answer. What is here for me on this earth? Loneliness and suffering? Oh and what do I get if I mention that I am miserable and want to die? I get ridiculed, bullied and people just tell me to do it because im worthless and deserve to die. Feels nice, geez man I definitely wanna break my back and drain my soul so I can contribute to a system that benefits the people who torture me and despise me while suppressing me as a cost and requirement. Fuck this world.

>>84621797
I didn't say that made me smart. I only stated that because that person was accusing me of being Asian.
Whites face many problems. It's not just a handful of things. Our culture is decaying from many different angles. I never claimed that parenting fully explains all the problems of society. It doesn't. But it's a significant factor in explaining why so many white men these days are severely lacking in development and maturation.

>>84621658
You can't even do the bare minimum at work anymore because of these cunts. They hold all of the management positions and will constantly breathe down your neck and shout at you all the time. They think it's motivating or something but it's super distressing and anxiety-inducing for no reason. I've been fired several times for subpar performance even though I do my job just fine. I show up on time, put the fries in the bag and go home. It's just never enough for foids though.

They treat everyone around them like children that they're responsible for raising to be over-achievers/compensators like them. If you aren't showing signs of being a Mcdonalds prodigy after a few months, they just discard you like a prom night dumpster baby.

>>84621000
>discipline
You just KNOW this thirdie means getting burnt with a spoon or beaten black and blue

>>84621798
Those things aren't just going to happen on their own. You just want to sit on your ass while "other people" do all the work for you. Maybe you'll jump on the bandwagon when 90% of the work is done and it feels safe.

>>84621908
Its really not. White men naturally want to do things, they dont need to have the whip cracked by their slave master. Doing things, working and being productive, has a natural reinforcing feedback loop that makes you want to do more work and be more productive. The current society has interjected and taken the reward part of that feedback loop out of the equation, so men are dropping the work part. Its not 50% that they're tax slaves with no wives, 50% that their parents didnt hit them enough, its 100% that they're tax slaves with no wives.

This thread is filled with so much delusional crap I don't even know where to start.

Jesus Christ, it's better to just let you schizos rot and not waste my time.

>>84621915
I meant self-discipline, not physical discipline.

>>84621906
that post makes me quite sad anon but if it helps theres like a billion men stuck in the same shoes so atleast were dying slowly together o algo

>>84621931
>Jesus Christ, it's better to just let you schizos rot and not waste my time.
>posts anyways
Lmao idiot

>>84621945
A low effort post

Dumbass

>>84621843
Revolution is easy. The most critical targets are also the least defended. An invading army might have trouble, but a bunch of loners and retards with nothing to lose? It would be a standalone complex. Bridge here, cell tower there, water plant maybe. The electric grid is well known to be so weak that a little bit of ice or with can cripple a region for over a week at a time with just a couple tiny things damaged. It would bedlam even without anyone trying to sync things. Everyone is so incompetent they would struggle just trying to clean up and run damage control to prevent copycats. The current system is so shit anything or nothing to replace it is preferable. But there is 2d titties to fap to, so nothing will happen.
I have too much to lose to participate, but if things reach a tipping point I will enjoy watching the house of cards collapse

>>84621905
Of course it's a problem. They constantly screech about it. They're trying to pqss laws to ban porn, started the no fap psyop. The spent like a decade trying dismantle the games industry. They want to sell you a 50 year mortgage now. They want a bachelor's tax.

>>84621906
Hey man you're not wrong for feeling that way, it was put onto you deliberately. You're high trust, you were taught and bred to listen to society because thats whats worked for thousands of years. Its not your fault that you've been fucked over, and anyone hating on you for feeling bad is a piece of shit or too stupid to regard.

But here's the rub. The reason you've been fed all this demoralizing shit is because your enemies have infiltrated the systems that are supposed to uplift you and want you to take yourself out of the game. You are right, living to uphold this system is retarded and pointless, so dont live for this system. Live for a better one, anyone can tell this place is falling apart, something new exists on the other side of it and you can grow yourself to contribute to that. Good guys win in the end but no one's going to give your back a slap if you're showing up as an unfit unread shopping clerk. Be your best self and know the score and push in the right direction

Honestly like even if you're not white it all still applies, there's no group of people alive today worse off than the worse comebacks that have happened in history

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>>84621905
Agreed (((they))) are more worried about violent white people than white people doing nothing, but the latter is still a huge problem for (((them))). And even if it gets to the point (((they))) are desperate enough to to enslave us, what would that accomplish? After a lifetime of doing nothing all we'd be fit for is retard monkey work, which (((their))) pet brownoid thirdies can handle. White people are needed to do more complicated stuff that requires a triple digit IQ but you can't just drag some NEET out of his basement and throw him into a plane cockpit or an operating room or an engineering firm.

>>84621964
>Still here
haha whiny faggot

This Jewish dystopia we all suffer under is bullshit to it's core.

>>84621928
You're vastly oversimplifying the situation to fit a narrative. The reality is there are many factors that go into explaining the state of these young men. Things like video game and porn addictions are problems in and of themselves. Not all of these people are saying "society sucks and it's not worth it, might as well drop out". Many of them just have legitimate addictions that developed from a young age, before they even had the capacity or interest to consider societal issues. They spend so much time isolated that their social skills lack in development, testosterone production is reduced, and problems compound and reinforce each other, until one day they are late 20's kissless virgins posting on /r9k/.

>>84622007
Now say that without the tears flowing. Hahaha

>>84622000
>Good guys win in the end but no one's going to give your back a slap if you're showing up as an unfit unread shopping clerk.
yep that's why i'm cooked, i can only work entry level jobs and i'm not willing to waste years of my short life in college for the vague promise of a "decent job" instead

>>84622000
I always feel a little, subtle spark of inspiration when I run into people like you. Its kind of good to see that there are still robots out there with fight and spirit in them. Never change.

I cant do it anymore, though, anon. I just want to die. There is nothing for me on this hell-rock. The only peace ill ever know is when this nightmare we call life is finally over. Every day of my life feels like a horrible torture simulation. I think ive become totally broken now, theres nothing left anymore. I dont know if this all means anything to you, but keep on fighting and never allow yourself to sink this deep into the pit.

>>84621092
I'm also a pedophile

>>84622012
Addiction exists, but for most people who spend too much time playing vidya or gooning it's a symptom rather than the cause. Let me put it another way. Which would cause a more dramatically positive shift in society: wake up tomorrow and all Jews have disappeared OR wake up tomorrow and all porn/video games have disappeared?

>>84621973
That shit is unprotected because no one is fucking with them, unfit unresourceful idiots cannot collapse a country. You can sperg out and cause a city blackout for a couple days, sure. Thats not revolution because the people with the money and guns still own the money and guns, and consequently your ass.
>>84621988
>they want
>they screech
>they say
>not they do
This country called in the army to march school kids at the end of bayonetts into nigger filled schools when it had dissent to deal with. If your plan to damage the absolutist totalitarian system is to be an absent lazy fuck, you're gonna have a bad time when you finally reach critical mass and the people with the money to pay people with guns to kick your ass need labor. They arent going to blink about enslaving you if they need to and you're ensuring that you're quite enslaveable. There has never, ever, been a revolution of the weak, because the weak get ruled by the strong. If you want this system to change, and you should, become strong. Or don't, not everyone has it in them, thats ok too I don't resent you for weakness in the face of cruel and unusual torture. But just dont larp that you're a revolutionary because you're not, thats an honor reserved for people actually trying.

>>84622012
Oh yeah man young men would totally choose porn over wives, totally real problem. Who wants a good job when you can couch surf right? No, thats retarded and you need to stop listening to jews and indians telling you how to be white.

>>84622044
If all Jews disappeared the same destructive societal trends would continue. These issues are systemic, deeply embedded in the culture. Yes Jews do tend to push certain destructive agendas, but they are not so powerful and influential that them disappearing would be enough to suddenly reverse all of societies problems.

>>84622017
It doesnt need to be college, theres still places you can apply yourself. Costco works people up to management and reasonable employment, the army exists if you arent crippled (you dont need to go to war to be there). Even if truly all you can do is be a grocery clerk at least sharpen yourself elsewhere. Read books lift weights just dont let yourself rot into nothing be the best you can, thats still going to be worth more somewhere to someone than you realise.
>>84622025
Im not going to beat on you for being beaten cause thats not productive or useful and your feelings are totally legitimate but I will say again, we are currently losing a battle that we can win, because the strategy of demoralization has thusfar worked. Success is a feedback loop, even if you cant grind and do something hard right now please try to do something good for yourself because you are needed. You feel terrible all day right now anyways, unless you're going to kill yourself (please do not) what do you have to lose from getting fit? Or if you're fat and that seems hopeless fuck it you can lift weights and be fat and strong. I get it life sucks right now but what do you have to lose?

>>84622049
Let's be honest. All of this is larp and no one is doing anything currently. Contributing as little as possible to jewish enslavement systems is something you can actively do in your life. The first step is NOT doing things. Obviously you're better off keeping your body in shape and your mind sharp, being well read ect. There are more productive hobbies than jacking off and playing games. But I would rather you jack off and play games than takes a 6 figure student loan, or buy a 50k car on loan, or run up credit cards at 25% intrest. Or get divorce raped.
Not playing the game is the first step.

>>84622058
That's not what I said at all. The addiction, isolation, NEETdom, and lack of personal development come first. They then realize later that it's hard to attract a girl the way they are. They're already far behind in many aspects of life. They're not attractive, they're not fit, they're unsocialized, they're not educated or financially stable. They decide to give up, to identify as incel, because getting out of this situation is hard. It takes serious effort, which they're not accustomed to.

>>84622012
Addiction is pretty much fake, it only happens to people without something better to do. If you have access to women you'll realise thats better than porn and give up porn, if you have access to gainful employment and money you wont be a bum. You're getting wrapped up in fake pet issues and distractions, arguing about the paintjob on a boat with a massive hole in it.

>>84622105
Join the army? That's your advice?
I do agree there are productive habits that can be learned, but Israel really wants to send you to die in Iran.
Like what m8? And it's not your choice if you go to war or not. You sign your life over, and it's not to this country.

>>84622122
women arent better than porn though thats the issue

>>84622160
AI girls are. I haven't watched porn in like 2 years.

>>84622118
Or perhaps they already put in effort only to realize women are complete Chadsexuals now and decided it's no longer worth trying when you have to work 100x harder than Chad does to get results half of 1% as good as what he gets just for rolling out of bed. Fuck off with the just world nonsense where everything can be fixed if you just improoooove hard enough. There are in fact genetic characteristics that can make or break your life no matter what you do.

>>84622107
You're not engaging with what I said because it would shatter your illusion of snivveling faggotry being equivalent to revolution, but whatever Ill say it again.
If your lack of participation ever makes this system run on fumes, they will enslave you. They will have an easy time doing it to, because you dont have money and you dont have power. Brazil still runs, south africa is still a functional state, theres no level of economic hardship or shittiness that suddenly makes the people who own the guns throw their hands up and say they dont want to rule anymore. The first step is not do nothing, the first step is to become a man of power and value. When jews got their country destroyed and their people scattered to the wind they didnt stop working and live off begging, they networked together and grinded for 2000 years until they got to where they are now. What you are saying has never happened because it doesn't work. Hitler didn't become a tax burden on Weimar till the state couldn't support him anymore, Stalin didnt live on his mom's couch. They went out and viscously pursued wealth and influence, because thats what revolutionaries do.

If you just want to give up, again Im not going to beat on you over it cause shit sucks and its a logical response. But don't wrap it up in self righteous whining about how you're beating a system that is so unthreatened by you they don't bother fighting you.

>>84622156
Again, yeah it actually is your choice if you go to war or not. You can get fit and make 100k+/yr and just scam the system, fake injuries or medical conditions, mental health, whatever you want its 2026. No one is going to the middle east who didnt deliberately choose to do so, this isnt vietnam. Its an option to make money and get on an upwardly mobile ladder if you have literally nothing else available, its better than wasting away.

>>84622199
You really think they're going to let you weasel out when the ground invasion starts? They whole goal is to thin the herd. Telling people to join the army in 2026 is fucking insane.
If you jack off and play video games, you won't be DYING IN IRAN FOR ISRAEL.
>>84622180
There is currently not revolution taking place. So the best thing you can do as an individual is to not contribute to a society that hates you and is actively trying to suck your life, money and soul through a straw. Doing nothing is preferable to active participation. It is definitely preferable to literally signing your life over to Israel. Holy fuck man.

>>84622160
Women are much better than porn, or rather they certainly are in a functional system. You can touch them, smell them, talk to them, and they're actually good at taking emotional care of people they want to. If we were still in a system of monogamy and your prize for working wasnt the fallout from Chad's harem then you'd have to be a lunatic to choose porn over them. Yeah bla bla hypergamy female nature bla bla yeah but that ignores the social pressure to be good people/wives, and the fact that european monogamy goes back at least 5000 years of evolutionary pressure of killing wild whores. Women can be a prize worth grinding for.
>>84622118
Work is not fucking hard. If labor wasn't horribly devalued by slave immigrants, then taxed at 50%, the dopamine of working even a mediocre entry level job and getting that money would be enough to pull even the laziest kid off the couch. It's not though because the system is fucked hence they don't try. Its the core feedback loop of society thats broken, whites loving and not hitting their kids doesnt even belong in the same conversation, go to a vivek ramaswamy rally with that faggot slave talk.

>>84622262
>There is currently not revolution taking place
yeah and couch surfing losers are never, ever, going to start or contribute to one you annoying faggot.
>you really think theyll let you scam out of the ground war
Yes? They didnt send anyone to Iraq that didnt want to go, you can literally get kicked out of this army at will by faking saying your a transgender.
Wasn't that your whole plan in the first place? Scam on a couch live off welfare and dont engage? Again, if they needed unwilling bodies for a ground war they'd just come to your couch and grab you like ukraine, you think they'd care that you didnt sign up and spend 5 years getting paid to work out first?

You're an annoying, learned helplessness faggot. You know nothing and don't want to know anything because its not enough for you to give up, you need to feel like you're doing something by giving up. Invent any excuse in your own head as to how its not giving up and its actually principled resistance, dont engage with reality cause it might break your bubble. You're a poisonous pussy.

why do i feel so dissatisfied reading these threads. literally thousands of people and not one good answer

>>84622298
Probably because you're an unimaginative dumbass

>>84622298

Because reddit is full of soicuck NPCs and women that live in a bubble. They can't offer real insight, just repackaged consensus.

I would rather die than contribute to a faggot country that would rather see me dead. Your shame doesn't work on me. All you zoomers and the generations below you have the most lukewarm insults and really basic bitch views.

>>84622314
I'd say it's the exact opposite, you're dealing with someone's internal realities and that's hard to capture. Music maybe comes closer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcO-MxPf_Vg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8vjHOyVxUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeZ1nsHNTLM

>>84622331
Yeah true. It reminds me a bit of Nosedive from Black Mirror. You can't be real at all.

>>84622294
You literally told people to join the army in 2026.
All I said was it's probably better for you to stay home and jack off and play games than die for Israel. Here you are losing your shit about how non effective my tatic is. It certainly got under your skin.
Sorry m8, I'm just not going to do anything. And I'm definitely not signing up for the army.
You should keep larping as a white nationalist revolutionary, while you tell people to sign up to die for Isreal. I enjoy the irony, it's creative.

>>84622349
I explained to you that your "tactic" is just waiting for the government to come and enslave you, then you hallucinated fake problems about my advice and continue to ignore the very easy solutions. You are a slave, right now to your base instincts and in the future to either the jews or to me.

>>84622360
>or to me.
How tall are you?

>>84622374
Taller than you when you're on the ground and my jackboot is on your neck cause you annoyed a productive citizen with your whining. Jacking off on the couch doesnt actually keep you out of iran, or venezuala, or wherever the powers that be need to send you at the time, because they'll just hire some poles to come grab you Ala ukraine

>>84622360
When it's time for the happenings to happen the zoomers will do what needs to be done. I have faith in them.

>>84622386
If you were actually not a manlet you would have told me your height. I'm 6' 1". And that's without the boots and heel inserts.

>>84622392
There will be rich and powerful people involved or there will be no revolution, this is how its been for all of history. The unemployed couch surfer with no money has never once in history been a significant factor, even in communist revolutions.

>>84622410
The attempting to mog online thing kinda falls flat after an hour of whining about how your life is so hopeless you've given up. You're poor, you're short, you're weak and you're dumb.

>>84621594
>Historically only about 40% of men reproduced
Back in the shithole dung ages, yeah. But after we had anything vaguely modern in tech, something like 80-90% of men reproduced. Only 11% of men older than 25 were unmarried in the 1890 US census for instance.

>ITT: episode #29373992939738 of some nobody claiming superiority while begging his alleged inferiors to do everything for him

>>84622413
Pretty sure you don't get rich by taking put predatory jewish loans or getting divorced by your wife
>>84622422
You can believe me or not, but I gave you the floor first. If you were 6'+ you would have said it. I have never had a problem telling anyone my height.

>>84622468
>I cant work a job or be powerful because uhh what about predatory loans and getting divorced
There are indians lapping your entire families income by running engagement farms on Instagram rn

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There's no point, man. In my situation, I'm disabled. Back injury. At best I'll be able to support myself until I end up in a wheelchair in my 50s, but I can't do the whole family thing. I'm also already 30, and let's be honest, there are no good women at this age. At least I can say I helped my elderly parents, drive a nice car, own a small apartment, but the average women in her 30s is completely and utter trash.

I have accepted that. Now I find happiness in mountaineering, I love climbing mountains, getting lost in the forests, seeing a nice sunset. Life is beautiful, you just need to find a purpose, the thing that will be the fuel that will get you places. I'm still looking for mine.

>>84622486
I don't have a family remember?
Working a job isn't something to be proud of, it's a means to an end. This obsession you have with wealth, your minds been infected. You really only need the resources you need to accomplish the goals you want in life and maintain a lifestyle you are comfortable with.
You talk about people showing up to enslave me, but you're already their slave. They don't need chains when you're willing to bust your ass for them to fulfill your ego. To be productive. A product. So you don't feel like a loser. So you can be the winner in their rigged game, because you have more shit. You've consoomed the most. You've given more of your finite lifeforce to saturn than anyone else.
You can't take any of it with you m8. None of it actually matters. Jack off sometimes. Play a game. Have some fun. Even slaves deserve a break now and again.

>>84620907
We need a common goal to aspire to. America is a fucking joke, we need a dream that's actually achievable and isn't just boomer capitalist bullshit.

>>84622535
Idk who you think you've been arguing with all thread but it isnt me lmao. Locking yourself in has rotted your mind, you cant engage with anything Ive said, truth burns your cum crusted eyes like sun to a vampire. You're a degenerate slave, which once again I dont hold agaisnt you, not everyones strong enough to fight, and it seems like you've stopped pretending you are. So good

>>84621092
Literally just this. No virgin wife? Leech taxes for life. The social contract is broken.

>>84620907
>always has to make it about women being the victims

>>84621594
>youre stupid because youre not playing a game youre unlikely to win
ummm I guess that made sense in your head?

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Here's the actual answer

>democracy requires vooting
>the working age males make up 15% to 20% of the population
>politicians tax, print money or overregulate to fund the other 80% of the population
>politicians get to stay in power with those votes

So if you want to buy a house you can't, because the federal reserve just "loaned" another trillion to Blackrock so they can buy up all the houses and trap you in mortgage hell, so they can secure all boomer pensions managed by themselves.

Women get their empathetic instincts exploited by political figures so they can justify bringing more immigrants to dilute the salary pool.

Lazy niggers live off EBT and section 8 housing covered by the taxes of hard working men.

You get ite, the solution is to remove the government from the picture, either by a violent revolution or voting, the former will be quick but it's uncertain, a even worst regime might take over, and by voting, maybe when the boomers are dead in 20-30 years.

Things are fucked, but it might get better for generation beta and onwards.

Because for the average man the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

All the jobs are wageslave tier. Women just brutally humiliate you if you aren't chad.

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>>84620907
We supposed to live in the market economy.
It's just basic abc of the market. Supply, demand. Equilibrium pric and quantity.
On current "life market" equilibrium point for socialisation is high price and quantity to transfer is low.

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>>84621594
>Historically only about 40% of men reproduced
Fake news detected.
Post sources.

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>>84620907
>men are checking out of society at an alarming rate
>we still acting like we don't know the causes
Lol, many such cases, lmao

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>>84621821
>Stop raping the working man of half his income to support women, bums, and his own replacement, stop encouraging the degradation of women and marraige, and the men will come back.
Here is surprising fact: today US government (fed + local) spend same portion of GDP as was during WWII when USA had WARTIME MOBILIZED ECONOMY.
It just today this commie rape of the working man income is extremely well obfuscated though financial shenanigans. But results are no less the same.

>>84621847
This one understands.

Look, man, I'm just trying to get home so I can escape to my fantasy world. Leave me alone.

>>84620907
It's almost like men that get no pussy drop out of society... Crazy right?

>>84621886
> learned hrlplessness
Right. The ones having learned helplessness are the goiyim serving the jews. When you know how to aquire food and heat in the wild, suddenly society no longer has a point and you see it for the pure evil it is. There is nothing worth upholding here. If you unearned your helplessness in which you need government daddy to preside over you - you'd understand what I am talking about.

>>84620907
You made the same thread on /pol/ and you already got all the answers there. Social contract has been broken. There is nothing to hope for besides enough people getting tired of it to flip the table and put politicians, judges, bankers and migrants in front of firing squad. You can't afford home to make family in before you hit like 50-60. LAw is stacked against you as a man and again as a native. You're supposed to consoom but west can't produce quality entertainment anymore and when they see you reach out for for example asian entertainment, they try to tax imports, ban etc to stop it, not to mention they don't pay you enough to afford lot of it. And it's not like it's just decaying on its own. They make it even worse by bringing niggers, goatfuckers and pajeets which only raises crime, financial strain and turns every place into dump.

>>84620907
if you believe in six degrees of separation, /atoga/ kind of blackpilled a lot of guys into realizing they have no value the hard way. What women call men is really 0.0000001% of men, and what men call women is probably 14% of women, so really no one has any idea what the fuck is going on except chad and chad is also getting roastie fatigue so that 0.0000001% of men is gradually becoming zero. Everyone who was stable got married off during college.

>>84622075
These things would disappear within a generation without the malicious social engineers in control. Cope saar.

>>84621718
>and I think we have a duty to fight for it
Same. When crisis comes, I'll be first to join in firebombing politicians, migrants and judges.

>>84623167
You are using electricity, you are not living a humter gatherer lifestyle. The unibomber alread experianced this, you can go off the grid if you want but society will come and take your forest and land. There is no escaping modern society in the long term, you can engage with it and try to win your freedom or you can lay down until they're ready to come put the chains on you. There is no third option

>>84623310
What a credit to the cause unemployed freaks with no social connection committing acts of murder and arson will be. People are sympathetic to killdozer because he was a good man who worked hard. People admire ted because he was a genius that outsmarted the fbi for years. No one's going to be inspired or want to be assosiated with a neet killing people. Even me, radical as I am, switched from intrigued to disgusted with luigi when I realised how sloppy his manifesto actually was and that the initially published online one was a fraud

>>84623349
>thinking people would destroy infrastructure to contine to be fucking neets
They would destroy it to build it from scratch in more just way so they would actually be rewarded for their effort and have some future, you greedy jew.

>>84623361
>neets are going to not just rebuild infrastructure, but rebuild it in a more just way
Lmao and then we have ice cream for dinner and nuke isreal right retard?

>>84623391
Stop, I can get only so hard.

>>84622118
I always find posts like this hilarious because they always seem to get everything backwards. Makes me wonder whether it's a troll or just a retard.

I'm relatively fit. Relatively socialized. Very educated and VERY financially stable (I've been working in tech for the past decade or so and made a bit over $300,000 last year). The only reason I don't go full NEET is because at a certain level, working a fairly easy job is less demanding than trying to game the system (and more rewarding). If it weren't for that, I'd stop working, stop trying, certainly stop contributing (though I already contribute the absolute minimum possible to society).

Why? Women like me as much as they did when I was a young, broke man. Which is to say, not at all. Becoming fit, educated, socialized and financially stable didn't seem to make women any more attracted to me, so, why bother? I'm not really getting anything out of the deal that I actually care about.

>>84620907
We live in a world with too many initialisms and numbers
At some point we crossed a threshold of how much bureaucracy our minds can handle and humanity was set on an irrecoverable decline

>>84620907
Taught early on I am powerless.
I repeatedly burnt myself on human connections, to the point that I believe it is a psyop to get people to participate without merit or reward.
Spent most of my life in isolation and it was comparatively more stable and refreshing than dealing with school, childhood, social expectations that were rigged from the start. I miss solitude, even after a year of actual quietude.
Society runs on GOGOGOisms nowadays. Too fast, not enough thought put into things.
If I had a woman I would be more miserable. Not gay, I just know that people are insufferable over the long term. Most of the others "checked-out" as far as I am, we see the repeated failures around us and learn that it's undesirable. Many families are unstable, create unstable people, and it perpetuates itself. There is instability throughout my own older family, it is tiresome. If that's what marriage is like, for all those people, then I don't want anything of it. People don't like quiet people like me who reflect on things before saying much. They think rushing out an answer is confidence.
Things move too haphazardly, and it strains our relations, our stability, it extends to many facets of our lives. We run with impatience and are rewarded with impotence. It's woeful just watching, repeatedly, day after day. Year after year. Can't imagine actively participating to the extent other people are. They all seem so busy it's miserable, and they bring that misery to each other, and that also creates further instability like from before.
America moves like a firecracker, too fast, too hard, its fire will fizzle. There will be nothing but ash when it's done, and all too soon.

>>84620907
i feel that the manosphere whines too much to be taken seriously anymore

>>84621000
>This is white culture. No structure, no discipline, no expectations
I AGREE SAAR WHITES WEAK

>>84623167
>If you unearned your helplessness in which you need government daddy to preside over you - you'd understand what I am talking about.
Holy fuck, it's the summer already, isn't it
We're going to have to deal with three months of this cringe pseudo shit from bored high schoolers who think they know jackshit

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>>84620907
Here's why. Apart reddit being a collection of the mentally ill, they see what is perfectly acceptable and have to shit all over it.

When I read this I thought "good for him". Reddit is like "paedophileeeeeeeeee!!". Bro, it was OK at the time because it was OK and still is. Lunatics. Why would you date when people are like this?

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They just don't measure up, it's basically natural selection.

>>84623985
Natural selection includes rape though so why are we preventing rape if we arent preventing whoring around?

It's the economy stupid.
I said it's the economy stupid.

We're living through a great filtering period. It's a eugenic process. Weak, childish, and lazy men with no ambition will not have access to females. Their weak genes will not be passed on. This is a good thing.
So all these low-agency losers with no accountability blaming society or "the Jews" for all their problems rather than taking some accountability and doing something productive with their lives are being filtered by natural selection.

>>84624029
>It's a eugenic process
What's being selected for then, exactly

>>84624029
what is being selected for is parasitism in various forms, good luck surviving in a world made up of 10/10 Chad influencers

>>84624038
What are some of the differences you notice between normies and incels? I'll leave it as an exercise for you to figure that one out.

>>84624086
Being a socially advantaged rapist seems to be one. How cynical are you prepared to get

>>84624029
lol

this planet rewards sociopathy

once the "legit players" are gone you can have your empire of trash

>>84624029
Why are the winners today being treated worse than the losers yesterday? Nuking a city is a eugenic process, it selects the superior genes of those predisposed to living outside of the city. Or at least you can't say it's any less eugenic than whatever is happening now.

>>84620907
>My cousin is in his mid 20s and basically lives like a NEET. No job, no school, no ambition, no hobbies outside video games/anime, no interest in relationships, money, independence, travel, fitness, or really anything. He spends almost
all day online and seems emotionally flat about the future.
I'm exactly like this but I'm a black fembot and I don't want to deal with men since 50% of black women are single moms

>>84624029
Women didn't evolve to select for good genes. In nature they really can't select for anything. Humans are going to end up like those goats that have horns that grow so long they puncture their own skulls.

>>84623919
>men are becoming NEETs because they can't rape kids
Women still have to pay for period products so they don't unleash the River Styx from the pussy and you're worried about not being able to put your dick in a minor. Moid problems.

>>84624029
Here's your (You) for your epic trolling, broski

>>84624122
>black fembot
sounds cute, sorry that you live in hell.

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>>84624163
you simps need to go back

>>84624179
You just want that dick to yourself

>>84624122
If you're skinny please marry me

>>84620907
Why does reddit make you tap those little plus signs just to see the comments, unlike 4chan where they're all opened already and you can just read uninterrupted by tapping games?

>>84624179
that's a cute rat too anon, sorry you felt left out.

>>84624029
>ignoring the fact that more and more women are reaching menopause without having children
It's not just men that are going away. It's whole population. You're going to get hanged, jew. Either by uprising western men or barbarian islamic goatfuckers. You parasites aren't going to survive upcoming crisis.

>>84624215
Reddit mega threads get like 10k comments. You would scroll for literal days if they used 4chang format.

>on top can get anything at snap of fingers
>forced to live like a normal person and treat women like people
>what the fuck they should be our slaves again
Get your money up and lose that gut piggy

>>84624234
you're cringe and you give validation to anyone who claims to have a vagina. thirsty faggot lol

>>84620907
>its because you wont suck our fawking cawks
>posts guy who actively rejects women
and refuses to talk to them and hides in his room
retard

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>>84620907
im a young woman and im not interested in lyfe either
why tf would i slave away for a misogynistic moid and then go home and serve another misogynistic moid and suck his dick?
i'd rather stick to my perfect husbandos

>>84624263
it's nice to validate people. i'm sure you have a lovely vagina too

>>84620907
It is everything combined. Life is too shitty and returns are basically non-existent, so there is no reason to make an effort.

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>Look for jobs in my area
>Best paying ones that don't require going to medical school pay 35k a year
Yeah nah. Not even enough to live on my own. Not going to bother.

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>>84624284
Based. I'm an autistic volcel virgin because men make sex sound repulsive, violent and one-sided. 2d husbandos actually care about you and don't see you as a fleshlight. I prefer them vastly.

>>84624295
it's actually pretty nice when you authentically vibe with your partner and you're not invested in status-seeking or gender war nonsense. admittedly it feels hard to do these days.

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It has been said a hundred times. There is no reward for work, women have become caricatures, friendships have been pushed behind the struggle for success, even money is unavailable to the extent that would justify the effort for it. Secularized states mean that there are no more spiritual values, honesty, hierarchy, service to God and modesty, people have become selfish and if all that is worth it is the desire for pleasure, it is better not to engage in a race that guarantees only misery and annoyance.

you guys were begging everyone to vote trump saying he was going to fix things and he made gas prices higher so what

>>84624392
please don't confuse me with /pol/, i've never been that retarded in my life.

>>84624392
i told everyone to vote for trump to spite women and accelerate collapse
i didn't even vote i'm not american lol

>>84624392
>you guys were begging everyone to vote trump
trump has no power over the world. we're are not from the U.S., we are from the planet Earth. And the situtation is either the same or even worse (because tyrant fucked shitholes) everywhere.
>saying he was going to fix things and he made gas prices higher so what
fixing this mess requires a lot of time and different processes, including civil wars, which as the history teaches us, all of the empires go through. Like U.S. or EU, and so forth.
The are only two or three faster options, but they're highly inhumane, because they basically require randomly deleting like 90% of the global population in one way or another. Be it WW3 or complete AI takeover, or focus on AI automation, that will displace the majority of humans... It is safer and easier for reputation, morals, and yummy bullshit, to just wait.

Now that you know, you can go back to /lgbt/ and stop derailing.

>>84620907
hilarious how none of these redditors can even properly engage with the question, their answers are just canned "we need more welfare bro" derivatives

>>84624248
Judging by how many comments are repeats of themselves, it only becomes that way because people don't read before adding.

>>84624392
I've been shitting on Trump for like decade now. He lost me the moment he bombed Assad's airfields.

>>84624430
You literally aren't allowed to say anything else without getting banned. Shows you how edgy leftism is

>>84624392
new nigga begone. 4chan is the same thing as reddit, except it's anonymous. You wouldn't call reddit an alt right app just because there happen to be one subreddit that celebrates it. /Pol/tards voted for Trump. We knew Trump was a retarded Zionist shill and did not vote for him.

You people really need to lose the black and white all or nothing mentality you freaks have

>>84620907
its so funny seeing normies be like "I did a degree and I work 60 hours a week and I cant afford to do anything" when im a neet and while its fucked theres not really much i dont think i can do? the best things in life are free. are most wagies just giving their entire paychecks to landlords and wondering why they are miserable? there are tons of alternatives to this

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>>84623163
Mmm... yes... but men that get no society drop out of pussy.

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>>84620907
When the social contract breaks men check out.
>No interest in dating
If the women available are mean spirited, ungrateful and trash men non stop... why would they wanna deal with that.
You can argue "but that's not all women"
And men argued that rapists weren't all men and women said it wasn't good enough.
Only difference is women do this shit more than men go out and commit rape.
>No ambition
For what? Lol. To be "an entrepreneur"? Get a degree in something that won't pay off? To get a job at a company not hiring and doing mass layoffs?
>Travel
Why would a guy travel somewhere alone?
>Fitness
This is the one thing I would say people should care about for themselves.... but if someone is in a depression spiral and sees everything as hopeless why would they care about themselves?
>His attitude towards women
>What is causing it
Geee have you tried shaming him and blaming him and telling him he needs to make 6 figures to date an obese single mother with herpes and when she posts a video talking about how he ain't shit its his fault?

The cope of this performative women "caring" about men checking out is so transparent and pathetic.
>Men say women are more trouble than it they are worth and society hates them so why bother anymore... WHAT IS CAUSING MEN TO CHECK OUT AND WHO IS GONNA GIVE ME ATTENTION AND MONEY IF THIS KEEPS GOING?!
>I bet this is the patriarchies fault.

>>84620907
The real question is, why are men whinier about being single than women?

>>84624920
Same reason women are whinier about rape than men, they're disproportionately affected by it. If a woman is single it's entirely her choice.

>>84625033
>If a woman is single it's entirely her choice.
And why do they choose it more than men?

>>84625046
A few reasons
>if women want sex it takes 5 minutes on an app/social media, male complaints about being single would drop 90% if it was that easy for them too
>if women are touch starved it's acceptable for them to hold hands or cuddle with their same sex friends plus again they can find a man for this instantly, men are fags if they do that together
>part of women choosing to be single is deciding nobody is good enough for you, if you choose not to date the men who are interested in you because you're holding out for 11/10 billionaire underwear model 6'4 Giga Chad you are choosing to be single

>>84623985
The crazy part about the natural selection stuff now coming directly from women, I remember when eggy made those videos about genetically inferior males.
Back then it was, just take a shower and go to the gym bro. This incel thing is all in your head.
Now they're just blatantly telling us we've been deselected. I'm just glad all the lying and cope is over.

>>84620979
I have a docctorate and work a good job. I've never seen a vagina in real life. The problem is you can't buy a wife, there's some other game going on that I don't know how to play and quite frankly don't want to

>>84621000
Whites aren't the only ones that do this. Collectivistic cultures will be okay with their sons living at home as long as possible. It's not uncommon for asian and hispanics. It's whites that will be quick to kick out their children the minute they turn 18, but it looks like that is changing now since their parents are reading the room.

>>84625699
>All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

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>>84620907
>no hobbies (except a bunch of hobbies I don't like)

why are normies always like this

>>84624029
>Weak, childish, and lazy men with no ambition will not have access to females
i know a fat 5ft tall meth head ginger who managed to have two kids and will probably have more since he's only like 39. he also just left his wife so he can do coke nonstop and fuck more women. yessir, only the best genetics get to breed. for sure.

>>84625699
Problem is its not natural selection. There's nothing natural about it

>>84620907
Marriage has always been the #1 moment in life where boys learn to grow up and it has been completely destroyed in modern, western society. And no, a society without men doesn't survive very long.

>>84625879
Gaming isn't a hobby just like watching tv isn't a hobby. You're wasting your life.
Nobody's going to be on their deathbed thinking "yeah, I had a pretty good life, just wish I would have played more video games". They'll be thinking the opposite.

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>>84621594
>muh selection
>muh eugenics
Constitutional argument; Isn't that actually horrible for women?
If only a handful of men reproduce, that doesn't mean they are married, and if a normie has sex that doesn't mean they reproduce.
And if a woman gets pregnant that doesn't mean they reproduce either due to abortion.

Onanism and bastard children must be a significant portion of each generation, since reproductive inequality exists.

This implies some female population is *constantly* aborting babies, like hundreds of millions of babies? What generation is that aborted population? Is it gen Z? Gen alpha? Gen beta?

The only reproductively equal measure a man has to reproduce is rape, which is morally vehement, And even then, the women can just abort the baby or sacrifice the baby to Baal or Moloch or throw it at some rocks like a football, babies are fragile, so that subset of 40% is really worse than it looks.

The non-aborted non-dead offspring of 40% of men that could probably only reproduce through rape before civilizational norms, are now being shrunk down to a fraction of 40% due to progressive enhancement of the women's rights. So that new 40% group is being battle royaled into something that is historically different.

A world where women baby-trap men either consentingly or unconsentingly. Regardless, future generations will have to be born to a specific strain of non-omnicidal women, thus further domesticating women into a docile gender, remember female genetics get passed onto the child, despite the aggressive selection cope women put on.

The child is not 100% his or her father, with the woman being the baby vehicle, both halves matter, so what gets passed on is a neurotypical, pleasant, civil, human. An NPC.

It's natural selection, but it's selecting for single mothers. It is not removing "evil men", it is actively breeding exclusively them, resulting in a sociopathic strain of NPC human being the norm.

>>84625879
It's a consumer hobby. There are two types of hobbies (consumer and creative). Nothing wrong with having some consumer hobbies, but if you don't have any creative hobbies you're a NPC goycattle. There are ways to consume and ways to create for most interests.
>consumer: reading/creative: writing
>consumer: vidya/creative: coding
>consumer: eating/creative: cooking
>consumer: listening to music/creative: playing an instrument
>consumer: watching spots/creative: playing sports

>>84625819
The problem isn't necessarily living at home. Asian parents are notoriously strict with extremely high performance standards. This is a big reason why Asians tend to be highly successful.

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The economy sucks and women are all whores and we don't have asian women.

If I could own a home and get a Japanese/Chinese wife, I'd get a job.

>>84626555
"Constructive" would be a better word for it.

>>84621000
This post deserves more replies so that people think deeply about the issue.

>>84626574
The economy is fantastic. Upward mobility has never been easier. Anyone can become wealthy as long as they are reasonably intelligent and disciplined. Owning a home usually requires a decent-paying career. If you've failed to achieve that, the fault is not with society, but with your own poor decision-making and poor planning.

>>84626535
A hobby is a thing you do for fun. And yes, on your deathbed you might wish you had more fun.

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>>84626535
>>84626555
This is exactly what I mean. You are the normies. You are the NPCs
Normie NPCs like you think life is all about following imaginary rules of which very conveniently they are always the arbiter.
You don't get to decide who's wasting their life or what people regret. No there are not two types of hobbies and you don't have to have any type.
You made all this up to shame people because you are insecure about being judged yourself like a typical NPC.
The reality is there's a very high chance that nobody is gonna remember you or give a shit about you more than they are some hikki neet regardless of what either of you do. And even if they did who cares. In the end your own happiness and health and peace of mind are the only things that will ever have real value to you.
When you wake up and realize what life really is you'll understand you have to get them at all cost in whatever way works.

>>84626574
Asian countries have plenty of Asian women and they also have a NEET problem and a demographic collapse even worse than ours.

>>84626821
It's the Protestant/Calvinist "ethic" where you have to pretend that doing anything for fun is bad and you need to constantly exert yourself no matter what, as if burning calories and stressing yourself out was inherently valuable.

>>84626821
Alright sure bro. The only people with sentience are the NEET gamer virgins. Everyone who tries to do things in the world is an NPC. Carry on.

>>84626850
reading is hard i know

>>84626555
Cooking is a life skill. If you're living off of only pre-made foods that should be concerning. The only creative part of the process is if you don't have all the ingredients and have to consider substitutions or going without.
The rest of those hobbies are only appealing if you have people to share them with, to obtain feedback. I find dealing with those people, and thus the hobbies, insufferable even when they liked the things I made. Did more damage than anything and all I did was waste time with those. All the creative hobbies have ever done is bring out the worst in me.

>>84620907
There is no long term goals anymore, just survival in the present.

>>84620979
This is true for me, I feel such an intense ache in my chest about finding love and romance, but I can at least subdue it enough to ignore it if I masturbate 2-8 times a day.
If porn disappeared tomorrow, I would either lose my mind from the weight of this feeling or I would finally live.

>>84621060
I feel such an innate need to explore, but only where there aren't other people which ends up being very hard to do when living in a major metropolitan city, but I get by with the occasional open world game.

>>84625718
>you can't buy a wife
in some ways you probably can

>>84620979
>get a place to get a gf
Literally impossible if you have an average salary

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I'm really looking forward to
>the nigger ball game
>the new lil nigger album that is going to drop soon
There is so much to love about our "culture" here in America.

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>>84626906
There never were any long term goals. It always was just survival in the present.

>>84620907
>Quality of life constantly dropping
>Purchasing power constantly dropping
>Pussy inflation
>Society collapsing into a third world hell hole.
Why the fuck should we work?
Same things happening the world over even China they call it bai lan, which just means let it rot.
Let the entire system die.

>>84627044
The universal attitude of most people is "fuck you got mine". They generally look down upon people who dont work or are in low paid work as being lazy and not trying hard enough when they just got lucky, lived in an economically fortunate area, had connections etc.

its all so tiresome.

>>84621000
Every kid I know that got kicked out at 18 is already in prison and I'm only 20.

>>84626564
>Asian parents are notoriously strict with extremely high performance standards.
Depends on the asian and where. Maybe east asians living in amercia. Asians will move out to NEET alone instead of with their parents. This is a actually a problem for the chinese. no one wants to work 996. It's insane how boomers, regardless of ethnicity, are fucking the young KEK.

>>84627076
Laziness isnt a bad thing.
Im reminded of the parable of the millionaire and the mexican.
>I fish
>I feed my family
>I relax on the beach
Vs
>I work for 60 years so I can make enough money to be able to relax on the beach.

>>84627044

Turns out, society does need men!

>>84621000
It's called living in a first world country Rajesh your kids will act like it too should you ever make it out of whatever shithole you live in

>>84621000
Correct!
We'll start with you.
*whips you*
*roundhouse kicks you*
*twists your neck*
*massages your prostate*
*steals your wife*
*steals your kid (wife)*
*throws you into a volcano for your initiation ritual*
*slaps you*
*whips out the wire hanger and puts you on top of the christmas tree [god bless]*
*farts on you*

>>84622507
>destitute cripple with, destined to be permanently bedridden in 2 more weeks to flatten the spine
>main hobby: mountaineering, climbing mountains
What?

>>84620907
It's considered unrealistic and problematic to want a woman who hasn't fucked anyone else. When the bare minimum is unrealistic why put in effort? I'm just going to neetmax and put in zero effort too, I'm reciprocating.

Seriously though, no gf/wife makes everything pointless as I have no stake in the future so all thats left is escapism until I die. I;m also not humiliaing myself by being a dancing monkey and provider when she fucked dudes for far less when she had more options.

>>84623994
Rape isn't prevented meaningfully, you can still find and physically overpower a woman. I assume anyway, if not hit the gym asap

>>84624284
>no refunds
Based butler

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>>84625718
>that I don't know how to play and quite frankly don't want to
nail on the head. you guys have to understand that one thing is not like the others. a relationship is a game that is not a fun one. i don't know how to play and at this point im not interested. for me it's a chore. it's not fun. it's real hard work. it's fun for some of you. not for me. i don't want it and i don't feel like im missing something.

>>84621000
Brown and black countries are worse in every one of these regards, shitskin. There's a reason you apes keep coming to white countries.

>>84622000
>Good guys win in the end but no one's going
Most dangerous lie in the world.
Evil is a successful strategy and the second you recognize that it can win is when you will realize how to take action against it.

>>84622360
>in the future to either the jews or to me.
The illusion of choice. Absolutely pathetic.
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and hang yourself, retard. Nobody falls for this shit.

>>84622360
Dream on nig nog. You will be among the first we cull when shit gets hot

>>84620907
I love how redditors are just like
>MUH ECOOOONOMY!1!!
Like, lol. Lmao even.
Not even saying things are perfect, but people today have it better than nearly all people who have ever lived, materially speaking. If you live in the west, you have it better than the vast majority of people alive right now.
I want to be very clear, what is missing in men's lives is a sense of belonging to a community and family formation. Not a 50% salary raise or whatever. Most guys would be perfectly content with working minimum wage if they had someone who truly appreciated their existence.
Most women are not attracted to most men. Relationship prospects are grim. Religion is dead. And if you live in an urban space, there is no community - everyone is cold, detached and atomized.

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>>84620907
Hypergamy.
Boomers refuse to retire from society.
Capitalism.

>>84626850
is this the kind of logic and reasoning that comes with doing "real" hobbies. plato step aside

>>84621886
The fuck are you even trying to get at you dumb nigger? There is no war? What the fuck are you doing? You're not Hitler, you're never going to be Hitler. Have you even attempted to run for local office? No seriously, what the fuck are you on about?

Its literally over. America is done. I will be jacking off until the collapse of the country and then if I'm still young enough I will support revolutionary action led by a spiritual elite.

>>84621847
>>84623130
>muh capitalism
meanwhile China, a capitalist nation is also filled with NEETs and even had the laying down protest.

Its the jews. Its actually leftism in general.

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One of the best feelings is waking up and seeing the quality of life has slipped even more for Americans. That things only get more expensive. Their life span gets shorter. I hate you. Truly. You are the most anti-white culture on the face of this Earth and I take great pleasure in your misery.

>>84629928
>the water is rising
Indeed it is

>>84622180
You're actually retarded if you think they would actually enslave people. Its already been proven time and time again that slavery is less profitable than workers.

>>84629862
People used to own houses. That's really important, food, water, shelter. No matter how you look at it for pretty much all of history people had it better than us, materially speaking and in many other ways. They had access to better food, better water, and better housing. What's so great about now vs then? That I can buy a megayacht as long as I have enough money?

>>84630023
>People used to own houses
Now I can only speak for my country but here uneducated old people left the countryside for the city and willingly became rentcucks. Houses are cheaper in the countryside, but everyone wants to live in the city and is averse to manual labour. Obviously when everyone wants to live in the city the houses in or around it are going to be more expensive.
And most guys would be fine with renting anyway, that is not the end of the world. Furthermore, living conditions were worse in the past on nearly every level
>b-but the food is le poison
If you want. Substantial portion of what you find in the supermarket is healthy, people just gravitate towards unhealthy shit because it tends to taste better and take less effort. That's a choice.
People today are so privileged that they probably can't even imagine a world with no supermarkets. With little food choice. No exotic foods from the other side of the world.
Dirty and unsafe water. Miserable living conditions. Death at birth. Death in childhood. Living with lifetime chronic pain or dying from something that is easily fixable today.

I'll also add that you can (and should) live in a multi generational home. You don't actually need to get a completely new house and form le nuclear family, that is a modern invention. Families should be pooling their resources together.

>>84620907
Monkey branching women caused this. Even if the economy is shit if we had loyal women there would be something to fight for. A future worth protecting, but instead they just trade 'up' the second they feel like it. Trying to build an emotional connection with one is building your house on sand.

>>84630308
>>84629862
>Families should be pooling their resources together.
Yes, the problem is the constant expectation of society and delusional people acting as the mouthpieces are bringing an unrealistic expectation to bear on the younger generations who do not have the prosperity. That is what makes people want more than what is realistically feasible and why many check out because they are failing an expectation that cannot be fulfilled. The economy does play into these expectations, coming down from a "high" is like that. The ones who had better luck think unreasonable things.
I don't mind hunkering down and making the best of what I have, even as an American, but the expectations of me vastly outweigh what I am able to do. I cannot subvert nor change those expectations, I can only fail them, and watch them fail to adapt when the worm turns. People holding each other and themselves to those unrealistic goals are why we are segmented, because how can you fit in when you don't meet the bare minimum? Socializing in reality is prone to the same problems as the job market in that way. Even if you mean well and are a good fit, if you do not present yourself the correct way by fitting as many of these failing qualifications as possible, you are lesser on the totem pole and not worth considering. It removes the human element when people cannot afford to admit that some struggle more than others, sometimes even more vastly than they could have imagined.

>>84620907
pretty simple, women are retarded bitches. social media has really fucked their heads. thats all. if it wasnt for that, nothing else would matter. even if the economy was shit men would find a way if he could get a decent good woman out of it. no good women means zero motivation, because no possible children. if you end up dying with no legacy, then working yourself to the bone means nothing.

>>84630529
(cont.) that all is to say the economy is only a part of the issue. We have a culture that relies on economic expectation. It is all tied together. It is never really one issue. It more akin to a hydra, the economy being one head. Women want providers and their expectations have floated to the moon because of their participation in the economy. They have been influenced to think so over the course of decades. It is not solely the economy's fault, the economy is both the product and producer of that mindset. Women get jobs and hold men to higher expectations than the jobs they currently have. Not that I particularly encourage nor delude myself into thinking that money is what makes relationships work, but it is part of the corruption of the culture, and a corrupting facet of that culture. The media blames men for it here, and that also paints them as unattractive or unfit for better work. It is circular, a negative feedback loop. Doom.
Even as I have people that rely on my help in my older family, I never feel the appreciation mentioned. It is because I am one of the younger, so I am meant to be used. I cannot bear a load that heavy, I am not prosperous enough nor able to subvert their expectations for what life should be like as they empty their wallets in excess chasing status that doesn't exist because they were lied to be facebook phantoms. It was always meant to collapse with their death, and it will be guaranteed when I am left with the mess in the end. There is no multi-generational wealth when the house implodes because we are alone. It will die in that same solitude you've mentioned.

>>84622118
Wrong. Hard work is fine if there is an actual payoff at the end of it. Here you're told you aren't owed a relationship, wanting a virgin is bad and it's even not an option for you by the time you're old enough to tick all those boxes and if you aren't happy with the new social contract you're just a doomer.

The issue isn't hard work, the issue is the lack of incentive to work hard when there is no reward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KSryJXDpZo

>>84623985
women do realize that they are also failing due to natural selection.

>>84621114
Doubt you have the same convictions for nepo babies who have never contributed utter shit, in your head the real enemy is the economically and socially oppressed mentally ill men dropping out of society because they treat him as nothing but a nuisance or possible incel danger
Us NEETs will become the next generation of vagrants and tramps because its a more appealing option than being talked down to by a female higher than you on the corporate ladder every single day and being forced to smile through it.

>>84631532
The neet is the modern day ronin

>>84621114
I propose to completely cut funding to the foreign countries and to slowly deport the faggots from there. White countries should start with India, Afghanistan, Israel, (all Muslims), and Africa. 0 money goes to them, criminals instantly exectuted on the spot or deported.
That will seal the majority of laks. The we could take a good, deep look into the millionaire and billionaire classes. You know all those wealthy ass families who do nothing, but manipulate made up digital numbers, surprisingly somehow own all of the (empty) land between them, and so forth. I think these leeches have to go to.
Then of course we could take a look into corruption in general. You know, politicians, remanining bankers, and so forth.
Beetwen sealing these three leaks we will save so much money, that we will be able to start a new fucking country and build a society of the future up. With great infrastructure, green energy, high trust society, all the good things.
All that of course requires also dismantling the tools they utilize, such as lgbt commies and other propagandized niggers.
What do you think, propaganda nigger? Shall we start with your India and Israel?

>>84620907
>want a basic house that isn't a 2 hour commute to work
>"That will be 1.5 million dollars, plus tip"
>want a shitty used car that you need to use to do your 2 your commute
>"That will be $20,000 with no warranty"
>want to insure the car and fill the car with gas
>"$800 a month is our best offer"
Gee I wonder why nobody is trying. Especially crazy since pussy is so scarce, literally nothing to live for.

>>84621594
>Historically only about 40% of men reproduced
Maybe in barbaric societies. In any sensible society the men would just rebel like now

The most insufferable people in these discussions are the ones who turn disappointment into a grand political or philosophical identity. Every setback becomes proof that society is broken beyond repair. If you people cannot get the lifestyle, relationships, or status you imagined for yourselves, then suddenly the entire social contract is fraudulent. Instead of adapting to reality, you retreat into self pity and call it enlightenment.

The entitlement is impossible to ignore. You talk about relationships and success as if they are rewards owed for effort. "I worked hard, where is my payoff" is not wisdom. It is resentment disguised as social commentary. No woman owes you attraction because you checked off a few boxes. No society owes you admiration because you participated in it reluctantly. You reduce human relationships to transactions, then act shocked when people find you bitter, hostile, and emotionally exhausting.

You people also confuse escapism with rebellion. Spending your lives buried in games, forums, pornography, and grievance content while sneering at "NPCs" does not make you independent thinkers. It makes you passive consumers. You claim to reject society's values, yet your entire identity revolves around obsessing over status, sex, validation, and resentment toward people who have what you want. You are not detached from the system. You are psychologically consumed by it.

And the ugliest part is how quickly this mentality slides into fantasies about punishment, revenge, and collective blame. Once you convince yourselves that your failures are caused by women, immigrants, "normies," or society itself, cruelty starts to feel justified. The truth is much less dramatic. Life is difficult and unfair for almost everyone. Mature people accept that and keep building anyway. You people decided that if life could not guarantee meaning and fulfillment upfront, then bitterness itself would become your identity.

>>84632903
Can you link us to the reddit thread you copied this from?

>>84632962
The funniest part of this response is that you cannot imagine anyone independently arriving at criticism of this mindset. The moment somebody points out the self pity, entitlement, and resentment baked into these communities, your first instinct is "must be Reddit." That says more about how predictable your arguments are than anything else.

You people call everyone else NPCs, but the second someone pushes back, you cycle through the exact same canned responses every time. "Redditor," "normie," "bluepilled," whatever the current script is. It is hard to take the anti-conformist act seriously when all of you talk in the same recycled vocabulary.

>>84632995
I figured it had to be from reddit since the entire post is smarmy autofellatio. Not that you'd be aware of that yourself however given how far up your own ass you are lol.

>>84632903
>>84632995
shut up, retarded nigger. We must stop the funding of all of the other countries. This is not a discussion. And we also must deport all the muslims and other net negatives on a high trust society.

>>84632995
>>84632903
This is definitely AI written, or at least input into AI to make it sound like an essay. I'd say this nigger wrote about 5 sentences and told AI to fix it up and make it longer.

>>84620907
>No job
You and the jews made it hard as fuck to acquire, paid like shit for hard work, all the while you make it unbearable in the workplace.
>No school
You and the Jews made it worthless and a debt sink for a worthless education where you are taught nothing of value in the workforce.
>No hobbies
You and the Jews destroyed them or are too expensive to maintain due to the previous points. T
>Except video games and anime
he latter are the last two bastions you haven't pozzed yet.
>no interest in relationships
You and the jews raised us into thinking everything we do to court you is evil, maintain an illogical hole is taxing on you mind and wallet, all leading to an end of potential divorce rape and loss of your children.
>money
See prior points. Not worth the squeeze and nothing we want to buy.
>Travel
You and the Jews ruined every other nation both environmentally and socially.
>Emotionally flat about the future.
Name one thing you listed we can have hope for.

You know you really fucked up the world when a species doesn't even find it worth breeding.

>Why does it seem to affect young men disproportionately?
The fact you need to ask others to tell you this, is the reason.

i saw this post before OP posted it. this thread could have been mine...

>>84633006
>>84633030
>arguing with an ai
right wingers are so intelligent

>>84633225
AI is factually way more intelligent than you are.

>>84633237
>AI is factually way more intelligent than you are.
lol

>>84633225
>be left wing
>have nothing substantial to add to any conversation ever
>still smug for some reason
Why are you always like this?