Real talk here, i've been hearing about AI taking all our jobs and UBI any day now since like 2015 and yet we're still hereI just want to know, is there any hope that this shit is going to happen within our lifetimes, possibly before we hit retirement age?Serious discussion only please, i need to determine if i can seriously hope for something good in the near future
>>84704131No, and it would be catastrophic if it did happen. What's more likely is we'll finally dismantle the leviathan state, end 99% of taxes and welfare programs, and let people keep the money they earn.
>>84704131Probably in Europe and Japan. In America? Nah no way. We can't even get universal healthcare which even latam shitholes have lol. The elite would sooner retreat underground and live the rest of their lives in a hole than give a single dime up to fund UBI.
despite what you hear on the shiternet, 99% of jobs are completely incapable of being taken by AI
More like universal slave system
>>84704131I've been a futurist since 2011 and fucking nobody was saying "AI or UBI soon" in 2015, or the 2010s at all. The general sentiment at the time was that those were 2040s+ things. Yes, societal restructuring will absolutely be necessary in the late 2020s or early 2030s. AI developed more in the 2020s than almost any futurist expected in the 2010s.
yes Im sure the billionaire kike regime will absolutely decide to give everyone UBI instead of just killing off 70% of the population
>>84704194If AI automation kicks in the way people say there's going to be no choice, even if the elites wanted to go down the mass culling route it would be impractical, the path of least resistence would be to keep the people pacified and reduce the birthratesThe problem is i don't think we're that close to a full automation scenario, i think a lot of what we hear today is overhyped
AI goes hand in glove with authoritarian government most people are probably going to government agents
Funny how that stuff used to scare me when i first heard of itI was just a kid back then and when i heard that within our lifetimes AI was going to do all the work for us i was instincitvely repulsed by it, i never even worked or had a career in mind, it's just that work i was used to think of work as something normal that AI taking that over felt scaryOf course, all that vanished in the snap of a finger when i had to interact with the job market myself, now i can't fucking wait for itPlease come AI/UBI, yes even if it turns into Skynet and slaughters us all, it would still be better than this shitty life
>>84704165>Yes, societal restructuring will absolutely be necessary in the late 2020s or early 2030s. AI developed more in the 2020s than almost any futurist expected in the 2010s.Can you expand on that please? i don't know if i believe you but i desperately want you to be right
Is AI gonna be used to create some sort of UBI and replace or take over most jobs? Feels like a more relevant question at the moment
>>84704131I use ai for my work and I have an it background so my answer will be qualified unlike the answers from others, also I have a finance background as well and know how the economy and markets work so you should listen to me.>I just want to know, is there any hope that this shit is going to happen within our lifetimes, possibly before we hit retirement age?Yeah it will happen dw but not how you think. It will be just enough so you can survive and maybe consume a bit not more. They want most dead they don't need that many people anymore in the future. You are fucked If you are not part of the asset owner class or know how to use ai in the future for your work. Read about agenda 2030 this will happen maybe not 1:1 and that fast but this is the plan. Sure you can still work some manual labor job but good luck getting one that pays anything after 50 % of all people lose their jobs. Being a wagie will be even more hell soon.>>84704160This.
>>84704579it doesn't make any sense most jobs in our economy only exist because of mass employmentits a complete scam are we all going to become kick streamers or something?
>>84704602>It will be just enough so you can survive and maybe consume a bit not moreThat's literally all i'm asking
>Real talk here, i've been hearing about AI taking all our jobs and UBI any day now since like 2015 and yet we're still here>I just want to know, is there any hope that this shit is going to happen within our lifetimes, possibly before we hit retirement age?>Serious discussion only please, i need to determine if i can seriously hope for something good in the near futureVery based. I have also been thinking the same way for the past decade plus.Globalism and outsourcing anything of value to 1.4B Red Chinese slaves since 2001 has proved to have been a disaster for the Western working class, especially autists who cannot deal with these awful leftover customer service hell jobs, so we NEET by default now. Same deal with open borders letting 'muh economic migrants' drive wages down to the floor. It has never been a worse time to be a wagie, which is why I'm glad that I've been trapped on 'bux for 20 years.So much for Keynes' 15 hour work week, thanks to technology and automation. We were supposed to evolve past working five days a week.Instead, we've fallen into neo-feudalism, on this race to the bottom and slavery. All while decades of inflation kills our purchasing power.Silent Generation and Boomers had it the best for opportunity, wages, and conditions; the rest of us are in hell now. Fuck having to work to live.
>>84704141Ok, now let's ask someone who isn't a lolbergtarian retard
>>84704915if you cant work why do you live? you live with parent and you're 40? whats the point? >>84704131ubi is just communism. there are people with no legs who work. this would be just giving food stamps to people for no reason
>>84705002>if you cant work why do you live?Better than either of us probably, given he's allowed to skip entirely the worst part of adult life
>>84705002>if you cant work why do you live? you live with parent and you're 40? whats the point?I don't live in burgerland, so I have 'bux.Yes, there is no point. I hope to die by my 50s, like my folks did.I don't live healthily and I binge drink every few weeks. The inceldom is the worst of it though.
>>84704131Once robotics catches up and they got their drone armies and autonomous weapons they'll just kill us all. If we are lucky we get UBI until that happens.
>>84704131Dunno, but I hope not. I want to accumulate wealth.
>>84704131>UBI>is there any hope that this shit is going to happen within our lifetimesYes. Soon. They want all people dependent on the government. If you get your money from the government you can't be critical any more. Make some wrong comments online and they cancel your UBI. Welcome to future communism.
>>84704165I remember there was huge UBI petition in like 2018, which failed by the way
>>84705395Yeah but how soon ffs i'm tired of waiting
>>84705002Retarded boomer alert
Belon Busk says we're going to get UHI in less than 20 years
>>84706293only thing the permanent underclass gets it a bullet to the head lmao
>>84706543I'll take it, still better than dealing with the job market
>>84705959I'm actually not a boomer. i have reasons and plans for acting like this but i cant reveal them because the haters will get me
>>84706691>Didn't deny being retarded
>>84704131>I just want to know, is there any hope that this shit is going to happen within our lifetimesno, you'll still have to work in one way or another at least if we keep up the current system.the whole economy is built people consuming random shit they don't actually need. now the companies producing the comsumer goods wanna increase their margins and hope they can do that with llms and firing their employees. the problem is that the people they'd fire are the biggest consoomers and if they fire them, the companies can't sell their shit to them anymore. so it's either sustaining the consumption cycle indefinitely by keeping up the old jobs or making up new ones or having to restructure the economy in a radical way. I'd say out of those options the former is more likely than the latter but only time will tell
>>84704131>2015If you'd been carefully investing for the past 11 years you might have been successful enough to not even be thinking about UBI. I wasn't. I've only been doing so since 2023. But since I was looking for opportunity I got to see SOME of it. The thing is that "some" has involved seeing investments multiply by 2, 5, 10, 30 and once even an opportunity that did a 10'000x over the course of just over a year. So while you wait to see whether UBI happens, carefully assess the potential of stuff and invest. You never know what you'll see if you're looking around some of the time. The research is just like you'd carefully consider whether a new game, gadget or even restaurant will be good.
>>84704131once people end up homeless and starving options will be force or UBI and then a few years later force we are fucked
>>84704131I'm sorry my bro. Truthfully, AI hasn't replaced employees en masse, it's just the excuse corporations used to downsize their workforce as much as possible. Amazon, UPS, USPS, warehouse, factory, trucking, etc., all drastically cut employees. About .01% were "replaced" by AI, the rest just weren't replaced.
>>84704141But still keep abortion illegal right?
any automation should be a good thing. but workers always protest because they lose work + money (printing press, threshing machines, ice deliveries).this is how it's always worked, but Americans are TERRIFIED of anything resembling 'communism'. take a read of this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Triple_Revolutionso instead, employers will gradually employ robots. humans will go sad and hungry. 'artisans' always just assumed they were safe, but now that's been proven wrong (lol owned).you will not get UBI because there is no incentive for giving it to you.
>>84708321What about outside of america though
>>84708411i'm outside of America myself, but i assume a US-centric bias here on the 4chans. speaking of which, Japan is hyper-capitalistic as fuck but weebs pretend they love that.China, Africa, Israel etc. don't even have basic human rights. but that won't stop us buying from them cheaply, and funding their wars.maybe you can do the whole 'socialism in one country' thing. i believe that's technically and economically possible. but every country is shifting AWAY from that (my granddad mined for the national coal board, and paid rates for a local council home, that system is long gone).
If we were approaching UBI government would be preparing for it already with some sort of negative income tax
>>84704131We'd already have UBI if the people were in control of the US government. They aren't. Candidates represent billionaires now, the same billionaires that are causing the AI crisis and will face zero repercussions for it.The cyberpunk dystopia already started, we just don't have any cool augmentations to buy that will fire laser blasts or jack into the cyberweb. The news is fake, the government is a sham, and powerful oligarchs are replacing us with robotic intelligence.Full time employment hasn't been enough to live off of for 15 years and is getting worse by the day now that the price of all food and gasoline has doubled or tripled. They'll tell you to "just work harder" until you have nothing and all your services are subscriptions that you can't opt out of.
>>84708321only thing that will happen is genocide of 99% of the population, the rest will be kept around as cattle for the billionaires to rape and mutilate
>>84709052maybe not genocide in the direct, intentional sense (the word has been ruined). but starving a population counts as genocide IMO, and that's what might happen. most people i know are already skipping meals because of wage/inflation crisis. i used to be able to buy chicken breasts and even steak. who knows how much worse it will get.
>>84708258>but obviously keep murder illegal rightYes.
Anyone want to be '90s Amish with me? Think about it. We only use tech from 1999 and earlier. No smartphones, just dumb nokia phones that can play snake and tetris. Windows 98 and pentium 3 computers only.No smart anything. Your TV is a just a box of diodes and tubes that displays a picture. No streaming. If you want to see a movie, you buy a theater ticket or rent a DVD from a real store. No Facebook, no twitter, no tiktok, no reddit, no 4chan (Something Awful is still ok). Gas costs $1.19. A dozen eggs are $0.79. No sketchy "energy drinks" full of god-knows-what.Oh, and we live in a big mall with real stores and a food court. I want to make this happen.
>>84709141I've also been going on about this and talking about how this would gain traction at some point as far back as the mid 2010s. I would join a community like this is without hestitation. I honestly believe it's a movement that'll eventually be attempted. Society at some point with everything going on is going to have to split into different societial structures. The current system isn't working for everyone and most people are fucking miserable. Something has to give.
