>>84723148
some women have a mature appeal, but yes, for the most part, i would not take a hag over women of this tier of youth. what is your point anon.

>>84723213
all men are misogynistic homosexual pedophiles basically

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>>84723213
I see guys in their 30s who think they have to marry a girl no younger than late 20s. Wtf is this bs? Why would you not take someone in their prime, if you can?

>>84723218
>misogynistic
learned behavior
>homosexual
false
>pedophiles
false
any other point, anon?

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>>84723218
Guys are attracted to peak fertility which is signaled by post-puberty youth, you stupid tranny dyke.

>>84723225
social stigma, most guys don't really give that much of a fuck though. also many guys fall for the shitpost that women in their late 20s are noticeably more mature than those in their late teens.

>>84723225
Older women are ready to have kids and start a family. They are a safer bet if that's your goal

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>>84723249
Older women have a much shorter window to have kids. And they want to marry and have kids asap. Whta is optimal, for the guy, is to date late teens, marry her in early 20s. Spend 2-3 years adjusting to the marriage, have some fun with her. And begin having kids when she is 24-25 or so (also peak fertility)

Also less sexual baggage if you go this route

>>84723235
>I need to molest children because uhhh....*checks the talmud*... because of fertility signals!
whatever you say, schlomoid

>>84723225
>Why would you not take someone in their prime, if you can?
Because social conditioning teaches those girls to be immature and irresponsible

>>84723266
foid bait cope retardation, calling 17-20 yr old women children is actual mediaslop goodthink and you should kill yourself.
>>84723249
i find it hard to believe they are any more willing than most girls you find in the previously mentioned age group. a lot of people in their late 20s have no interest in kids, lead alone with loser-san that posts on r9k.

>>84723263
This is true. I'm definitely not saying old women are more fertile or more attractive.
But in totally practical terms, if you want to have a family quickly and you don't want to wait 5 years (you could break up in that time) then older is safer choice. You'll be able to tell if she has her shit together and is ready to have a baby, and she'll rush it.

I would GREATLY prefer to meet a girl very young, have years of fun to bond, and have kids early to mid twenties. That's the way nature intended this. But in 2026 if you're a 35 year old man and you don't want to risk dying childless, you could blow your chances trying to get a 20 year old.

Also I know a bunch of couples with 15-20 year age gaps and it's a huge problem once he's 50. That's old man status and she's still in her 30-35 range, healthy and horny and not wanting to be with some old dude. People forget this.

>>84723292
I've gotten two women pregnant, both in their mid 30s. I was 27 with the first one and 35 with the second

>>84723295
>if you want to have a family quickly and you don't want to wait 5 years
That's how you get instability, never have children with somebody you don't know well

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>>84723148
they look annoying and their faces are too chubby

I'm 34, my gf is 33. I think you guys have been so pornified that you just literally got mindfucked so bad to the point that 'attractivensss" is this thing ENTIRELY based on looks.

I see your webm and I don't feel anything really. I mean they seem like whores (anyone posting tits on tiktok is), the kept looks incredibly young. Right isn't even facially attractive. But who cares? Attraction is so much more than just physical, than just "what she looks like". Of course don't get me wrong thar intiial spark must be there -> but that's just it, its the "initial" little nudge to get you to talk to her get to know and that's where, if you like the girl, that's where the true attraction is. Where you're enamored with her, the way she moves, her smell, how she thinks and jokes and handles stress and does cute things for you how you hang our and you're best friends and love that you met each other. I think your post just shows the extent of your shallowness. My gf isn't a "old hag" she's the love of my life and yes, I GENUINELY think she's more attractive than these two. In every way. I love her soul I'm attracted to her being. So when I see posts like this on here it's like so many robots just have an extremely superficial view on what makes romance work and what makes and constitutes attraction. My hypothetisis is you're all ruined by jerking your dicks, for years, to women whose physical characteristics are just a click away. You've trained yourself to be absolutely stunted in your ability to make and form romantic partnerships.

>>84723306
>That's how you get instability, never have children with somebody you don't know well
Yeah true.
Honestly a wise man meets his wife when she's 20 and he's 25. Get started early. You don't want to be a first time dad at 40

>>84723335
Hopefuel thank you I'm 31 and my bf is 34 and I needed to read this today

>>84723335
>I think your post just shows the extent of your shallowness. My gf isn't a "old hag" she's the love of my life and yes, I GENUINELY think she's more attractive than these two

Check that statement again in a few years lol

>>84723335
Whether your situation is acceptable depends entirely on when you started dating your girl. I know guys who met their SO in college. They lived together and cohabitated for 10 years and ultimately married in their 30s. She gave herself over to him in heir prime - that is what matters. That is what it means to be a man with value.

>>84723335
believe it or not, chadsexual and has now settled for the bux. stay safe anon. you are obsessed with a woman who is using behavior chad taught her to secure your resources. and you should accept that rather than this bs you are spewing in hatred of your fellow man.

>>84723353
Ok, now go back to jerking off as your overlords command you to

Trying to make a somewhat intellectual conversation with any person in their early 20s is well among the most irritating things you can do: First "Modeling on Instagram" or "Streaming and having a OF" is not a fucking job!

Also: Checking your smartphone while we're having a conversation at a dinner that I cooked for 1:30h is well among the most disrespectful things you can do.

>>84723148
I've dated a 17 year old, been there done that, I wanna try older women, milfs, gilfs too. So I'll wait until my 22 year old gf turns into those, I like all types, so I couldn't be satisfied with a woman that never grows up or improves.

>>84723374
The smartphone thing is so rude and people don't realize it. My bf spent the whole yesterday evening playing games came out to "be with me" but was on his phone the whole time. I said look go to bed or go back in the room because you are just giving me bad vibes and I'm not having fun with you. I missed you all day and you won't just be in the room with me

>>84723366
Brother I've been with two women through their 30s and looks tend to fade quickly as we approach 40.
The drop at 35-40 is really huge for most people. Enjoy the time you have

Nobody LIKES 30+ women, they are subconscously coping and settling. I have met a couple of 35 year old foids who are very attractive but they are extremely rare and they will wall/menopause within a couple of years. And most importantly: they were twice as hot when they were 19 years old.

>>84723388
>that response
Are you illiterate?

>>84723148
Many 30 years old are top appealing, their main problem irs that expiration date is closing on them fast.

Would having this saved I your computer constitute csam?

>>84723392
>they are subconscously coping and settling
This is just happiness you are getting mad at happiness. You want people to be miserable. Everybody has to cope in one way or another with their circumstances

>>84723392
>Nobody LIKES 30+ women
You're right, people LOVE MILFs. I'd argue there's more popular pornstars in their 30s than in their 20s.

>>84723432
yes anon, to jerk off to and HAVE SEX with, not to date/marry. is this so confusing to you?

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>>84723148
Girls unironically do not mature past 18 mentally. People act like Schopenhauer was just being bitter but this truth is evident

>>84723442
People date and marry 30 year-olds way more than 20 year-olds.

>>84723474
out of desperation, not out of desire. the truth in this is evident.

wait I'm still in my 20s, why am I reading this thread

>>84723485
Most desire arises from desperation. The truth is apparent from this board.

>>84723485
Yeah we should all just kill ourselves when we turn 30 and never have sex anymore because 20 somethings find it yucky and cringe

>>84723504
cope post and in no way responds to what i said. women in their late teens to early 20s prefer older men and you know that.
>>84723495
this can be true but it's not the same thing. the natural male urge to pursue a youthful mate is obviously superseded by attraction to post-prime out of desperation.

>>84723504
>women are sexually valuable from 18-26 ("their 20s")
>men are from 27-35 ("their 30s")
why are you seething over this? it's been well known for ages

>>84723519
women don't go around hitting on 18 year old guys, because financial stability (instead of fertility) is what's attractive in guys

>>84723518
You are getting mad at 30's people marrying each other it's literally just life

>>84723530
>women don't go around hitting on 18 year old guys
they do, but only if they're male model tier attractive

>>84723536
no i'm mad that you're retarded, i really don't care who you decide to fuck or date or marry, i'm just telling you the truth. you know you have the ability to not huff copium, and interact with intellectual honesty?

>>84723148
No. Women above 25 are usually ran through and malcontent due to being pumped and dumped by Chads and Tyrones. Once I get money, I'm not dating older than 19. I'm getting a virgin, not some used whore

Something that bothers me with older women are their voices. They lose their sweet youthful voices and end up sounding raspy, kinda like old witches. A woman in her 30s can still look good for a while, but they always lose that sweetness.
For example, compare Jennifer English's real voice to her voice for Maelle on Expedition 33, she sounds so much sweeter because she's a trained voice actress faking that youthful voice.

>>84723551
Again how is it cope if a man and a woman in their 30's love each other and get married? The guy in the thread loves his woman and you are all pissed at him

>>84723218
Not really, I just wanted to meet my wife when were both fresh-faced youngsters and not when she's blown through a roster of other men who took her innocence and youth. Stop calling me evil for that, it's not.

>>84723538
male models get 0 pussy dude, unless they're jacked or drug dealers

>>84723558
while this anon seems malcontent and bitter, I imagine he will treat his wife quite well

>>84723571
you're being trolled, this age gap argument is old anyhow, I'm not even sure normies parrot it, anymore (popular in like 2021-2023). sometimes twitter ragebait arguments get reposted here, and represented as reality. It works well here, the same as it does there. Which is why this topic has been spammed all week.

>>84723565
i'm not pissed at him i'm just calling a spade a spade. he loves her and she is settling for betabux now that she's been on that carousel long enough. they are in still in the period where she is performing chad service until he's locked in to provide. known factor.

>>84723591
I don't get it it's not like we choose to get older. Is she supposed to just sit on her hands and lock herself in a room if she didn't get a guy at the age you think people "should"? I really don't get your mindset life is really long

>>84723518
>the natural male urge to pursue a youthful mate
Yeah, it IS natural. I'm not arguing against that. But it is also natural to stay with your mate, it's simply our history, our biology, our culture before society decides to progress backwards. I'm simply saying people like milfs because it's the natural evolution, it's normal and to be expected. It's like Pokemon, you can be obsessed with only the 1st stage evo, but you have to understand that people like other stages or care more about their individual experience with that pokemon to be worried about it staying on one stage.

There's something that's simply natural with growing up and living with a woman rather than dating a young woman for a year and getting a new one. I get the appeal, but you cannot deny that it's natural to age.

It's not even just looks, it's that youth is intoxicating. Do you really believe a woman in her 30s can love as deeply as a late teens woman? Do you really believe that she can have that burning passion after being used and abused by countless Chads?

>>84723574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QouJiyHnsRM
>>84723591
this sort of manuever usually works to troll lesbian teenagers on twitter, it's good to see supposedly internet savvy robots fall for it even worse (NTA btw)
>pose question (offensive premise)
>garner reactions
>offer pushback
>switch premises (use outraged tone)

>>84723610
>Do you really believe a woman in her 30s can love as deeply as a late teens woman
No, she can love more deeply. That is if you've been with that woman for decades as opposed to meeting a 18 year old at a bar when she was just looking to fuck.

>>84723148
I'm 39, and they look really young and superficial to me.
Woman in her 30, providing she isn't retarded (outch) is, to me, way more attractive.
Attractiveness is not just look.

>>84723620
You can't have been with that woman for decades if she spent her youth chasing Chad and being his cum dumpster

>>84723358
What resources lol? I'm literally poor.

You guys are mind- melted for real. I honestly find it kind of sad. And not even in a derogatory sense like "you guys are sad losers" but more in the sense that tis saddening to me -> that other people cam have such a shallow and transactional view of what makes relationships meaningful, and worthwhile that it's as if they've just almost cut themselves off from one of the greatest joys in human life > being loved, and in love, with a girl you love. That people's response to this is some sort of incel theory about this being some kind of psychopathic strategy to secure my "resources" (lol) honestly just shows how jaded you ahre

young in age

but old in the face

no thanks

>>84723650
To be fair to them, how many people do you think actually can love these days? Have you looked at the divorce statistics?

It's kinda crazy how fast time flies and how fast women lose their edge. I'm on dating apps and I simply filter out any woman in her 30s. I'm not even a Chad or anything and I simply refuse to even give them a chance to show themselves.
It doesn't matter how stunning she was, she will hit the wall and there is nothing she can do about it. Even Ana De Armas hit the wall and she's not even 40 yet.
When I was in my teens I'd have moved mountains for the teen girls I liked, but now I'd never even consider them as dating partners.

>>84723630
What are we arguing about? I'm saying it's good to date a woman from a young age and grow old with her. Sure, women from the outset are just looking to fuck, that's why you gotta build a relationship that's more than sex. So of course, a older couple will love each other more than a younger couple, have you seen young people? They rarely commit in general, let alone a relationship.

Nobody is saying you have to date a 30 year old you don't know, but you shouldn't fuck around with young chicks forever, how will you ever build a loving relationship like that?

>>84723148
Because these two look like they'd be very annoying to be around and I cant even hear what they're saying, but you know it's something stupid and vapid.

Not that I'm saying older women can't be stupid, if anything they are often MORE annoying because their age is catching up to them and they start demanding commitment, while also being entitled as if
>>I had my fun, now I'm ready to settle down
was their choice to make. You decide who you spread your legs for, but I decide who I get down on one knee for. I decide when you settle down.

But if by some miracle you meet an actually pleasant older lady with so much leftover beauty that she's still gorgeous at 30 then I don't see the problem. Women can have more value than looks, and men often demand more than looks the older she gets. Does she bring me peace? Is she a homemaker? Do I even like talking to her?

MILF is one of the most popular categories on any porn site. Clearly men do not hate older women. my favourite porn star is picrel, even in her older years, because she looks like she's having fun when she fucks. She looks like she'd actually be pleasant to be around, and she has an amazing body. Not the tightest, youngest around but still good enough to get my dick hard. Lia Lin is a close second, for the same reason. She just looks like a fun fuck, despite having almost the exact opposite body type. Personality > looks. End of. That is the cold hard truth. Choke on it

In the end all men ask for is a beautiful, fun woman. Depending on how desperate he is he might drop the fun part, but then he WILL get bored and/or frustrated with your bullshit and leave you. Chad leaves boring chicks all the time, because he can. You just don't know what that's like because most men aren't chads. Most men are happy to take what they can get. That's pretty sad. You complain women are too picky, and to some extent you're right, but you'd be picky too if you had as many options as they did

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>>84723148
Unless she has an amazing compatibility with you or she has been your partner for years, no, it doesn't make sense.

I see women my age, talk to them...and it makes me want to blow my head off. Not only their looks, but their mood and the baggage...they don't even become more interesting or wise, I still feel like I am talking to a teenager (but with a decade of failed relationships and not nearly as attractive).

I know that I sound like a pig, but I couldn't care less (not like women aren't shallow as hell too). Older women are just not appealing, I don't feel excited to engage with them or the possibility to get close with them (they feel more like a responsibility than someone I want to add to my life).

>>84723530
a man in his 30's can still easily impregnate you. A man never truly becomes infertile with age. Lower sperm count sure, but he's still shooting millions of sperm per nut, and only ONE needs to make it to the egg
>but muh weak sperm argument
The semen itself doesnt need to make it to the cervix, as much as hentai likes to imply it. Sperm can live for days inside the vagina while travelling to the egg, even if you wash the semen out

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>>84723701
forgor the picrel skull emoji on god frfr

>>84723229
>t-technocally I'm an e-e-ephebophile
Sure you are. Stay away from the kiddos, ok?

>>84723148
>>84723235
>>84723263
>>84723720
>>84723760
I love sluts of all adult ages.
All sluts are precious and make the world go 'round.

My wife was hotter at 30 than 20. It's rare though. But all women are not the same.

>>84723407
>>84723432
Don't worry, I'm sure you can be happy dissociating to your imagination of pretty young girls during bi-annual sex with your fat hag wife

>>84723815
you tell them to stay away from me, i can't get these 17 yr olds off me, anon!

>>84723392
>they were twice as hot when they were 19 years old.
This is key.

And even if they we're equally hot at 19, you missed out on 15 years of hotness.
It's totally cope. I say this as someone who hasn't fucked anyone under the age of 29 for the past 16 years

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>>84723335
your opinion doesn't matter gtfo

>>84723148
virtue signalling. the social damage from being called a pedophile (AKA liking woman under the age of 30) is very high

>>84723574
>male models get 0 pussy dude, unless they're jacked or drug dealers
I know a model who got insane amounts of pussy then went gay lol. Never seen anything like it.
He was on billboards and looked inhumanly handsome. Dated women for years and fucked them.. then just one day he has a boyfriend

>>84723610
>Do you really believe a woman in her 30s can love as deeply as a late teens woman? Do you really believe that she can have that burning passion after being used and abused by countless Chads?

I'm in the bank that they can love harder. I was in love 4 times in 4 LTRs. The final one was the most intense by far.
Younger love is naive and shallow. High school gf and college gf have zero emotional significance, like kids pretending to be in love.
Late 20s and early 30 live was real, but the 39s one was the realest.
Still I would want a virgin teen wife if I could design my life.
It's just hard to find the perfect person if you're a weirdo. If you're a complete normie anyone will work for you
If you're fucked up like a 4chan user you need a decade to figure out your shit, and that includes the women who are getting banged the entire time.
It sucks ass but an open minded weirdo girl is going to have a body count every time if she's even slightly hot

>>84723610
Young people are just horny. They don't understand love. Older women might finally know what love is after having been dumped numerous times.

>>84723266
Can't really be a sexual pathology if all men do it, anon.

>>84723335
Unc coping hard and thinks a used up aunty who professed her love to multiple men "loves him"
>>84723760
Busted old whore, put a warning next time

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>>84723225
>prime
what the fuck would that matter
pussy tightness? Bro science bs unless you go after pre-pubecesnts ones then sorry, you are not Epstein to desire that tightness lol; Body count is less on younger ones? KEKAROOOO; Fertility? The sperm also needs to be fertile for babies to be made anontachi; Social status? Are you aiming for some hollywood cumrag or something; Personality? lol a woman is a woman not hag or hag
Prime means shit once the dick is on the pussy and even moreso when you do things beyond fucking like dating.

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>>84723665
>Ana De Armas hit
She's flat as a board, no hips, and has a baby face. That NEVER ages well.
The women who age the best are shaped like extreme hourglasses and have sort of distinguished. Sometimes masculine faces. But when they're in their thirties and '40s they are absolutely the hottest chicks if they haven't gotten fat

Girls like you mentioned are just a ticking Time bomb. They turn into unattractive wooden board

>>84723148
A lot of people are heterosexual but entirely homoromantic where they just don't really like the opposite gender at all outside of sex, and so all value is weighted entirely on sexual attraction. I would recommend avoiding dating any of those, there's a reason they end up alone.

>>84724992
>Body count is less on younger ones? KEKAROOOO
it would objectively be less on younger ones, though. you literally cannot make an argument against this. you can say they are getting banged too, sure. you cannot say that it would be any lower on someone older.

>>84723148
If I were old enough that I know I'd die before the kid grew up, using my money and status to get no strings sex from cute little hotties like this would probably be fine.

Otherwise, abortion and birth control mean you won't get a kid you want but she doesn't, so you won't make her a single mom. Social media and work outside the home mean she will have a constant stream of men trying to pull her away from you (even if she doesn't entertain it, it's annoying because they'll get aggressive).

If the age gap is dramatic, when you're old, she's not and it will breed resentment in her and you'll be annoyed because your in a different season of life.

It's best to marry in your teens with a three year age gap and stay married. No more than twelve years for an age gap relationship between a man and a younger woman.

>>84725042
Based and correct.
And if you missed your chance at this, which 99% will have, just accept it.
Don't torture yourself or set yourself up for failure.
I think ideal relationship is 23 year old guy, 18 year old girl. He's just old enough to know what he's looking for and to have established some kind of future.
Or 25 year old guy, 20 year old girl if you are okay with not being virgins. Even more clear who is ideal.
That 5 year gap is ideal in my experience, at any age. Similar attractiveness levels as you enter middle age.
Men get too much hype for aging well. Most don't. About 5 year advantage is what they have

>>84723665
thats why women try so hard to lock down chad, and why being locked down as a high value male is not a good play. men don't age THAT much better, but their value as men doesn't decrease like womens does in proportion to how attractive they are the same way.
>>84725033
most people end up alone, i think considering too heavily about this is kind of silly. same with people noting about how the age gap becomes problematic as you get older and older. does it really matter that much? you're working off the assumption that it won't fail for other reasons, and it very likely will. people yap about the divorce rate improving when it's so high still even considering the cratering rate of people actually ever getting married.

>>84725314
>most people end up alone, i think considering too heavily about this is kind of silly
That's a good point. Optimizing for looks and fertility and body count might be a miscalculation.
Pure compatibility and enjoyment is probably the only path to a lasting marriage in 2026

>>84725561
just to say, the enjoyment aspect probably has a lot to do with looks, which is directly linked to fertility, objectively. you have exceptions but thats what they are. otherwise, i agree with you.

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Depends. I find her more attractive than the nauseating teens in the OP.

>>84723667
or just date young women until you like one than grow older together, someone already mentioned this

>>84725578
That's a good point. Most people would never admit that to themselves. But when my wife is dressed up and looking really hot all of her bullshit seems marginal. But when we've been wearing pajamas for a week, I start getting sick of her shit