No, I'm not a retarded overly emotional child and I have a penis.

Post tits.

meh hes aight

>>84730420
as a historyfag there were some worse presidents in the leadup to the civil war imo but trump 2 is a serious contender for most retarded president

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>he doesn't know aboit Jimmy Carter

I like how he let fox news "confirm" the phone call where he "cussed out" bibi and then immediately after said they're still friends. trying to appease the growing anti-israel sentiment while sucking bibi off

>>84730420
No, I'm not an antisemite.

>>84730434
I am too. The idea that Pierce or Buchanan were worse is absurd.
>>84730438
Jimmy Carter was not a bad president.

>>84730425
You literally are a retarded overly emotional child, but only when you're whining about brown and black people

He's just anither Jewish option for us goy cattle. We'll never get the white supremacist dream-gasm ever again.

>>84730420
i'm historically illiterate and have no idea desu

Has he built the wall yet?

none of the presidents i've lived under ever done anything to help me or anyone i know in any way shape or form so i'm forced to rate them by entertainment value.
trump's first term was a fun time to be alive, so that earns him quite a few points even if i don't agree with him. i think i'm forced to pick biden as the worst even though he didn't do anything nearly as bad as dubya. 2021-2025 was an extremely boring pit of despair. 2026 isn't any better but again the late 2010s were just too much fun to ignore.

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>>84730478
>Jimmy Carter was not a bad president.

>>84730478
The idea that this is the worst president ever while I'm playing on a computer, eating potatoe chips in a comfy heated room with running electricity, no bullets flying over my head. Now thats whats actually absurd. I mean I guess I could use a job but the fact that I'm 30 years old and never held a job is also a estimate to how not bad things are. You faggots sure do love to exaggerate.

>>84730425
You are 12 and lack a father figure. You mistake "rationality" for complete subservience to Trump. You should kill yourself now

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>>84730420
He's shit, but like all things, both he and his administration are impermanent.

>>84730521
TDS is vert real. I've found that the vast majority of people making claims like "he's the worst president ever" and "omg he's going to destroy the economy" or my favorite "you're going to be drafted to fight in the middle east any minute now" are the emotional ones.

Frankly your democracy is fucking gay, you're just upset Trump revealed how gay and dumb your object of worship is. Cry more. Next time we should elect a dog as president and watch as literally nothing happens despite the supposed prestige of the office being in shambles.

>>84730578
>Biden the worst

Holy fuck this is what happens when you do nothing but sit on a computer and don't engage with the outside world lmao

>>84730665
>if you don't think Trump is the biggest most evil mean bad guy to ever walk the earth you are a child
God damn, and I'm the one getting called emotional and childish?

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>>84730670
You might as well elect a dog into office, at least the dog wouldn't be completely unprofessional like pic rel.

>>84730674
your post is what happens when you can't read

>>84730674
>holy fuck you don't agree with standard mega corporation narrative about the democratic party
>you must not be a real human being
Damn, leftists are truly mentally deranged.

Every republican president of the last 50 years was an evil racist nazi and the worst president in history until the next one. Every democrat president was a brave and stunning revolutionary who ushered in an era of prosperity and peace.

And yet, the country just keeps getting worse and worse. Must be the republicans fault, they are just too powerful.

>>84730618
He wasn't, which is why you are unable to make your argument.
>>84730650
It's an absurd notion to say that just because you are not experiencing direct hardship, somehow that means the leadership can't be terrible. Great leaders often are created by handling crises and hardships well. Things are much better now than in the Great Depression, Civil War or 18th century, but that doesn't mean the modern presidents are better than FDR, Lincoln or Washington.

>>84730680
That quit literally what I just said. You have the IQ of a inbred goatfucker.

The very concept that the president should be a professional role is laughable. What does professional even mean in 2026? Should the president start every email to foreign leaders with his preferred pronouns?

>>84730420
Worst president by far in my opinion was George W. Bush. Trump is mid, I lean left and I wouldnt even put him in the top ten worst.

>>84730697
Oh I see, now we are retracting the claim of worst president ever to just terrible
>if things aren't going bad for you doesn't mean things are good
Yes it does. Your logic is mentally retarded. So a president has to happen to be in office during a crises and solve it for him to be great? A president that presides over a peaceful nation with nothing eventful whatsoever happening, wherein the majority of people are fine is considered terrible leadership?

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>>84730699
Oh COME THE FUCK ON, ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!?! LOOK AT THIS SHIT!!!!

>>84730701
Yeah, fuck the Patriot Act.
Patriot Act gave US Govt faggots at the ATF or w/e power to gangstalk people they didn't like. Edward Snowden was exiled for exposing this truth.

>>84730712
What exactly am I looking at and what exactly should I be taking from the image? The fact that Clinton was even less dignified and professional than Trump whatever that means?

I'm afraid your social peer pressure posturing doesn't work on 4chan. In other words, I will not be effected by your fake laughter.

>>84730670
>"he's the worst president ever"
He is. Who do you consider worse? I'll give you a detailed explanation as to why they weren't as bad as Trump.
>"omg he's going to destroy the economy"
Yes, his failed and illegal war against Iran literally has destroyed the global economy. Nations imposing gas taxes and exhausting their strategic petroleum reserves are putting a temporary halt on what's going to be the worst economic crisis of most of our lives.
>"you're going to be drafted to fight in the middle east any minute now"
His NDAA last year automatically registers all men aged between 18 and 26 into the draft. He's already renamed the Department of Defense the Department of War and it's very likely he starts a ground invasion of Iran after he realizes he can't achieve any of his objectives without major concessions his domestic allies/benefactors won't allow.

>>84730718
The patriot act was based.

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>>84730722
You're so far gone brown nosing that you can't even see it. And I'm not even a Democrat.

He's definitely the least subtle Jew puppet America has ever seen in the White House, thats for sure.

>>84730701
What do you think makes Bush worse than Trump?

>>84730734
Hello glowie fed boi.

>>84730674
i should clarify that i'm only talking about the ones whose presidencies i've experienced firsthand as they're the guys i'm confidently familiar with. i'm a working-class adult with a relatively active social life (by this boards standards), what about my views makes you believe otherwise?

>>84730718
Yeah. There is no president in history more evil and entrenched in the deepstate than George W Bush.
>9/11 inside job
>Patriot act
>war on terror
>financial crisis, let the jews do whatever they wanted until the economy crashed
>poor hurricane katrina response
>killed the middle class
Anything Frump has done absolutely pales in comparison to the damage George Bush did

>>84730710
>Oh I see, now we are retracting the claim of worst president ever to just terrible
It's a general claim, I wasn't just referring to Trump.
>Yes it does. Your logic is mentally retarded.
No it isn't. A leader can preside over an ostensibly good time domestically, while implementing polices that hurt the future of the nation, engage in corruption and other illicit activities, start wars that cause destabilization of other regions, etc.
>So a president has to happen to be in office during a crises and solve it for him to be great?
No. Obviously not. But a leader who shows great leadership in hard times is obviously better than a leader who shows poor leadership in (relatively) easy times like Trump. It's also disingenuous to imply Trump is responsible for the era we're living in, and not the likes of FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Bush 1, etc.

>>84730731
>Who do you consider worse?
George Washington
>yes
And yet the economy is still running. You're still typing on a computer inside a house. Why exactly aren't you starving on the street since the economy is destroyed? What do you use for currency? BTC? Wow, thats pretty impressive, which business accept BTC as payment?

>muh Iran
oh no another war. Anyways...
>muh global economy
And yet global trade has not halted. Shame that, with global warming and all.
>its going to be the worst economic crisis ever
You've been saying that for 20+ years. Another nothing burger.
>he automatically drafted all men into the draft
All men ages 18-26 were already automatically registered into the draft.
You keep promising a draft literally every two weeks. Its not going to happen. You're emotional and delusional.

>>84730737
>omg like really like omg
>no I won't just explain the issue because then I can't pretend to be le superior intellect

>>84730740
>>84730757
Here is my explanation. I could add even more stuff too. Worst thing Trump ever did was try to overthrow the 2020 election which didnt even work so it had little effect on any of us

>>84730745
Hello, terrorist goat fucker.

>>84730757
>>9/11 inside job
9/11 wasn't an inside job, however the pretext was used to achieve the war aims of the Israel lobby/neoconservatives which Trump is also a believer in. Even if you think 9/11 was an inside job, then Trump is objectively covering that up.
>>Patriot act
Also supported by Trump, who recently called for his followers to accept illegal surveillance programs like FISA because it's patriotic to do so.
>>war on terror
Again, has been continued and expanded by Trump.
>>financial crisis, let the jews do whatever they wanted until the economy crashed
>>killed the middle class
It's not fair to squarely blame Bush for the Great Recession. The neoliberal policies that led to it were brewing since at least Reagan and rapidly exacerbated by Clinton's loan program. Of course Bush continued these policies, but it was going to happen no matter who was in office. And all things considered, Bush could have handled it worse. Furthermore, Trump has doubled down on the bad economic legislation promulgated by Bush, like corporate and wealthy tax cuts, deregulation, etc.
>>poor hurricane katrina response
Sure, but Louisiana's state leadership was horrible too and we shouldn't pretend Trump has handled any of the environmental crises he's faced particularly well either, this guy's literally trying to destroy FEMA.

>>84730768
>A leader can preside over an ostensibly good time domestically, while implementing polices that hurt the future of the nation, engage in corruption and other illicit activities, start wars that cause destabilization of other regions, etc.
Ah look you're mental retardation is showing. You see, you're a faggot onions bitch. Apparances are far more important to you then actual results.

You are just flatly wrong.
>engage in corruption
and, if the peace is kept its objectively fine and acceptable.
>illicit activities
And?
>start wars that cause destabilization
You say this like its objectively a bad thing when that could be the goal. This is just the most basic of basic nation building. You crush and destabilize your enemies. How is that bad? This was literally the strategy of every European country at the heights of their power. Please explain how this is bad leadership.

Literally the only thing that would indicate a bad leader is them making policies that ruin the future of the nation. You have an entire congress to thank for that and they've been doing it for 100+ years now.

>>84730800
>covering up a crime is worse than committing a crime
So then clinton is objectively worse than a child rapist and cannibal?
>continued under trump
And Obama and Biden. Can you explain why when trump did it it makes him the worst of them all?

>>84730800
9/11 was absolutely an inside job. WTC7 makes it pretty obvious.

>>84730802
>well yes these other presidents did this and even started it but Trump is the worst because CNN and my Philip D Franko told me so

When are you going to realize you're a peasant in an occupied country and the president isn't even theoretically the king of the nation.

>>84730773
>And yet the economy is still running
The economy is always running. Trump is one of very few presidents who has objectively made it worse though.
>You're still typing on a computer inside a house. Why exactly aren't you starving on the street since the economy is destroyed?
I never said people would lose the ability to eat or scroll the internet, I said we'd experience the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes because of his war's destruction to the global oil supply. Expect the return of stagflation over the next decade on top of increased unemployment, not total squalor.
>oh no another war. Anyways...
No other president has started a completely pointless war that's affected the global economy so severely.
>And yet global trade has not halted
Global trade doesn't have to halt for there not to be a global crisis.
>You've been saying that for 20+ years. Another nothing burger.
No I haven't.
>All men ages 18-26 were already automatically registered into the draft.
Not automatically, it was an individual process beforehand.

>>84730812
>So then clinton is objectively worse than a child rapist and cannibal?
I'm not even sure what you mean. However, if you cover up a crime, you're ultimately just as guilty as the perpetrator.
>And Obama and Biden. Can you explain why when trump did it it makes him the worst of them all?
It wasn't my argument that the Patriot Act makes Trump a uniquely poor president.
>>84730819
As I said, even if you believe that, Trump is just as guilty for covering that up as the rest of them

>>84730782
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Unless you were making a false accusation against me.

>>84730802
>Apparances are far more important to you then actual results.
That's literally your argument, kek. I'm the one saying the opposite.
>and, if the peace is kept its objectively fine and acceptable.
Somebody engaging in crimes and corruption cannot be a good leader, even if there are other positive aspects of their tenure.
>You say this like its objectively a bad thing when that could be the goal. This is just the most basic of basic nation building. You crush and destabilize your enemies. How is that bad? This was literally the strategy of every European country at the heights of their power. Please explain how this is bad leadership.
It's actually not good leadership to destabilize the global oil supply and have oil nations blowing each other up, for literally no benefit to your own country.
>Literally the only thing that would indicate a bad leader is them making policies that ruin the future of the nation
Which Trump objectively has done.

>>84730833
>The economy is always running
No
>few presidents that made it worse
LMFAO, every single president for the last 60 years has made the economy worse. It literally just gets progressively worse. How is Trump the worst?
>i won't lose the ability to eat
Yeah, thats not the worst economic crisis you will face in your life time.
>because of his wars
Nah, thats just straight up retarded propaganda.
>No other president has started a completely pointless war that's affected the global economy so severely
You have to be severely retarded. Not only is the economy not globally effective severely but there have been many wars in our history, including ww2.
>trade doesn't have to halt for a global crisis
The crisis isn't a real crisis if global trade isn't halted. You're just using dramatic words to over exaggerate because again, your NPC newslords told you orange man bad.
>no I haven't
people have, you're no differnt. Put your money where your mouth is, short the market.
>not automatically
Oh what a huge practical and functional difference. Same shit, you're such a fucking drama queen.
>>84730843
>i'm not sure what you mean
Someone posted a picture of the Epstein clinton painting. You should know exactly what I mean. Every president of the last 20 years is associated with Epstein and yet only trump is bad when he does it.
>it wasn't my argument
Your argument was that Trump is the worst president like evar. You're reasoning, because he followed the same objective and policies as previous presidents.

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>>84730845
>i can call you a glownigger but you can't call me a terrorists thats unfair

>>84730855
>thats your argument
No its not, you have the reading comprehension of a ESL 5th grader. You are the one claiming the president should be presidential.

>someone engaging in crimes can't be a good leader
Ok this is an issue of you being an ESL retard. Yes, you can be a good leader and do crime. In fact you can be the leader of a criminal organization. Good leader just means effective leader ESL retard. Its not about moral judgements.

>muh oil supply
The longer this converation goes on the more clear it becomes that you're some ESL shitskin seething mad that about some personal oil business that nobody else gives a shit about. Youve been told the economy will crash without you huh. Boy I can't wait till you realize nothing ever happens.

When you say Trump is the worst leader ever, you're making a claim that he is the least effective leader ever. You can go ahead and make the claim "Trump is the most morally evil president ever" but thats a different topic.

Again from earlier. A good crime boss is a leader of a criminal organization that is effective for advancing his organization. He's still a criminal yet he is a good crime boss.

A bad businessman, isn't a businessman that does criminal and immoral things, its a businessman that is bad at doing business.

Does this make sense ESL-chan.

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yeah, because of the war in iran for israel mainly, it is a sign the US is in its death throes

once boomers die off and AI kicks in, America will be utterly changed

Hes doing more for the american people than any president in a long time. If you refuse to see that because youre butthurt about mudslimes getting blown up then kys. Jews live rent free in your mind forever, if you unironically think the democrats wouldve done better then kys again

>I consider Trump the worst president ever. How about you?
The GEOTUS was pretty based in His first term. The second one has made little sense.
It's a shame that he's not as opposed to satanic globalism as we thought. That he failed to stop and Russian and jew wars. The Iran fiasco.
As for worst burgerland president, some say the obscure ones by defult, but Johnson deserves a place in hell for his shenanigans.
He profited from Kennedy's murder, forced integration, escalated the unwinnable Vietnam war and set the table for the 70s collapse.

>>84730871
>No
Yes.
>LMFAO, every single president for the last 60 years has made the economy worse. It literally just gets progressively worse.
This isn't true at all. The only presidents who have made it worse in the last 60 years are Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush Jr. and Trump.
>How is Trump the worst?
None of the others other than Nixon caused a global energy crisis for Israel. Trump is worse than Nixon because Nixon was otherwise a common sense New Dealer.
>Yeah, thats not the worst economic crisis you will face in your life time.
The vast majority of Americans didn't starve during the Great Depression, and there are tens of millions of Americans who were born after that who have since lived full lives and died. This isn't a serious argument.
>Nah, thats just straight up retarded propaganda.
It's objective truth.
>Not only is the economy not globally effective severely
Literally every world leader other than Trump will tell you that it is.
>but there have been many wars in our history, including ww2.
FDR didn't start WW2.
>The crisis isn't a real crisis if global trade isn't halted.
Trade wasn't halted during the Great Depression or Great Recession, it doesn't mean that they weren't genuine crises.
>NPC newslords told you orange man bad
I hate Trump because of my own lived experience. I don't watch corporate media.
>Oh what a huge practical and functional difference
There's no reason to do that plus the other things unless you're moving to start a war (which they did) and then a draft.
>Every president of the last 20 years is associated with Epstein
Only Clinton and Trump were. And for what it's worth, that doesn't mean anything in and of itself. Trump's covering up of the files and moving Maxwell to a minimum security prison does, however.
>Your argument was that Trump is the worst president like evar. You're reasoning, because he followed the same objective and policies as previous presidents.
Not because of the Patriot Act.

>>84730932
Democrats would've done better, you have TDS

>>84730747
Biden was literally the most pro labor President since FDR

>>84730887
>No its not, you have the reading comprehension of a ESL 5th grader. You are the one claiming the president should be presidential.
I'm the one claiming good leadership through difficult times is better than bad leadership through easy times. A lot of good to great presidents weren't especially presidential (Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt) are just some examples. However, Trump is uniquely unpresidential, uniquely divisive, uniquely stupid, uniquely corrupt, etc.
>Yes, you can be a good leader and do crime
No you can't. You can be a corrupt leader who also did good things, but you inherently can't be a good leader if you abused your office.
>Good leader just means effective leader
Those, by their very definition, are two completely different things.
>Boy I can't wait till you realize nothing ever happens.
And when you're wrong, will you apologize?

>>84730932
Obama and Biden objectively did more to help ordinary people on healthcare, infrastructure, drug prices, home protection, consumer protection, student loans, food assistance, etc. Trump's done nothing meaningful for ordinary people other than make healthcare completely unaffordable and prices higher via his tariffs and wars.

>>84730994
>blah blah blah
You're an ESL shitskin. Nuff said, I wonder if you're even American.

>>84731044
You don't know what the term good or bad leadership implies. Again you are ESL or a bot. Like here>>84731026
This doesn't make any fucking sense. do you know what TDS is or means? You fucking moron.

>>84731061
I was working during obamacare. Obamacare forced the company to only let employees work no more than 30 hours a week so thats what they did. I'm sure it was goo for employment numbers on paper lol. What a shit show.

>>84731078
Yes it's funny to say Trump supporters have TDS because they're deranged as fuck with their support for Trump. He literall tried to overturn an election, rugpulled his own supporters, has personally enriched himself to the tune of 3 billion dollars using the office, started a war with Iran, made everything more expensive using his retarded tarriff scheme and has essentially assured that the US will stop being the global hegemon. You think he's great because he makes libs cry, you are an NPC

>>84730650
>but the fact that I'm 30 years old and never held a job
He's taking away your healthcare btw

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>>84731061
They both had crappy economies they blamed on republicans
>>84731078
You're not allowed to call people ESL shill off /news/