>Your mbti>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?Turbie-Wurbie's Cutesy Test Link m Compilation! UwUhttps://pastebin.com/6YSzm68DAnon's y Guide to Jungian Typology https://pastebin.com/XJvFYQzThEasy Patcheezie's Rundown on Jung's Deepth Psychologyhttps://pastebin.com/1PYUQTpPReading Jung ahttps://jungiancenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Vol-6-psychological-types.pdfhttps://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Psychological_Types dExploration h into Enneagramhttps://wiki.personality-database.com/books/enneagramhttps://ennealib.carrd.co/ uSyntax of Lorve (We need a better link for this, voluntteers welcome(save us Patchoulie!)https://web.archive.org/web/20230608184321/https://psychosophy.ru/books/sintaksislubvi/sintaksislubvi1.html sprevious monument to my own misery: >>84707279
>>84732768I generally hold disdain for personality tests, and I dont believe any of it hold any value whatsoever since humans are dynamic creatures. >Your mbtiIt said intp-t>What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?Probably unlearning my highly restrictive culture. Then again I dont think patriarchy is necessarily evil, nor matriarchy is necessarily evil.>Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?Women are real humans, maybe even more human actually. But women and men function differently. Femeninity, I believe, is the baseline condition of nature, it is nurturing and unpredictable. Hence, women are closer to the raw nature of mankind, i believe womens intuition comes from this., women can just "tell" sometimes. Masculinity rings more of a bell in the structure of religion and ideologies. Masculinity isnt the natural state of mankind, its more systematic and selfish, but its also what makes humans so distinctive from all other animals. Masculinity is what makes us great.Femeninity is what keeps us human.The greatest bridge of both worlds i believe is men who are in tune with femeninity, and women who are in tune with Masculinity.Am I a retard? Give your critique if you want.
>>84732954>Am I a retard?If you consider Anima projection retarded, sure. That certainly was a lot of it.>Masculinity is what makes us great.>Femeninity is what keeps us human.>The greatest bridge of both worlds i believe is men who are in tune with femeninity, and women who are in tune with Masculinity.In a way, you have also identified the problem of consciousness/the unconscious or the superior function and the inferior functions, and as well as what's proposed solution through the Transcendent Function.Only problem with all of that would be assuming that the woman is unconscious then, while this is a characteristic of male's psychology specifically(the Anima, aka their feminine archetype, is indeed unconscious - but for women there a masculine Animus instead and the situation is reversed).
>>84732768What's with the randomly inserted letters?
>>84732992Yooo give me litterature on this. I saw a video essay of the book sexual Personae and wow it was very interesting. I dont want to say it's true necessarily, but i want to explore the topic.Wtf is anima projection?>Only problem with all of that would be assuming that the woman is unconscious then, while this is a characteristic of male's psychology specifically(the Anima, aka their feminine archetype, is indeed unconscious - but for women there a masculine Animus instead and the situation is reversed).Hmmmm I dont necessarily believe women are unconscious, more so that she is lesser rigid. More irrational.In a way, she goes where the wind takes her, from am emotional and spiritual level. I know this must sound so degrading, but I dont believe it's bad. I think femeninity is more necessary than masculinity really. Femeninity is life through nurture, whereas masculinity is life through protection/safeguarding.But what life is there to protect without nurture? None.And on men who act on their desires with no hesitation, I believe it's a effimate trait, that becomes dangerous due to mans heightened capability and tendency of aggression and selfishness and rationalisation of their actions.Being reserved and restrictive i believe is a masculine trait. Being free and frivolous is more femenine.Is that retarded? This is all speculative I know little to nothing on the matter.>In a way, you have also identified the problem of consciousness/the unconscious or the superior function and the inferior functions, and as well as what's proposed solution through the Transcendent Function.I dont understand any of this lmao.
>>84733058>Yooo give me litterature on this.Basically just Jung. The concepts you have expressed are roughly the same as his, just worded in a fancier and more abstract ways.>Wtf is anima projection?tl;dr the projection of men's unconscious feminine aspects into something else, very often a real woman(or women in general), but it could be anything else including a fictional character or even a tulpa.What I wanted to point out is that you are seeing it from your own perspective, tied to being a man, and also tied to being a type. The aspects you claim as tied inherently to the feminine and nature are synonymous with the unconscious(such as being emotional and spontaneous, in touch with the earth, and all of that), which in itself contains the Anima in question. In Jung's typology, we must also include the opposite attitude(e.g. if you are introverted, then the unconscious and feminine opposite is extraversion) and the inferior functions(e.g. if you are a Thinking type, then the unconscious feminine opposite is visualized through partially the auxiliary functions of Sensation/Intuition, and more importantly inferior Feeling).Consciousness is indeed what we call "being great", it stands above nature and the common man(or woman). And "what keeps us human" is the link to the unconscious, which keeps us with our feet on the common ground and the rest of humanity, you could say.I don't know if the fact that you identify "intuition" as a feminine function here might match Jung's idea of Intuition for sure, but if that were the case, then it would be an argument against being an intuition type here btw
>>84732768>Your mbtiINFJ or INFP, the tests can't really decide what.>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?No.>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?A world where the most powerful leader of the biggest empire was a woman is certainly not a patriarchy.>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?I don't have a very high opinion about humans. I don't see myself as one, I'm more the "alien" type of being.
>>84732954You're not retarded you're a gay
>>84733186This is an inferior feeler bully them to feel good about yourself and eventually they will become Hitler
>Your mbtiENTP>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?If feminism is meant for everybody, why call it feminism? Why not stick to egalitarian or any other words synonymous with it? You're not going to fool me you stupid nigger>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?I didn't kill any trannies or feminazi yet, that's one thing I didn't help the patriarchy for (yet) >(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?Women are real human beans, the problem is that your marxist mind can't seem to understand that they don't have to become men or act like men to be human, they have a different role and they're meant to fulfill a different purpose than men did, it's just how it is, and it doesn't take much to achieve that, we had it figured out for most of (western) society nearly from the get go, but someway somehow we decided to forget about it
>>84733184I had to read through your reply multiple times Holy shit.>Basically just Jung. Got it. Though I do believe the author of Sexual Personae also have some cool points.>(e.g. if you are introverted, then the unconscious and feminine opposite is extraversion) [...] (e.g. if you are a Thinking type, then the unconscious feminine opposite is visualized through partially the auxiliary functions of Sensation/Intuition, and more importantly inferior Feeling).Wow I didn't understand this at all.So if you're introverted, your unconscious is extraverted?And if you're a thinking type, your unconscious is feeling?Is this affected by the person's gender in any way?>Consciousness is indeed what we call "being great", it stands above nature and the common man(or woman).And "what keeps us human" is the link to the unconscious, which keeps us with our feet on the common ground and the rest of humanity, you could say.Mmmm okey. Like i was thinking. >I don't know if the fact that you identify "intuition" as a feminine function here might match Jung's idea of Intuition for sure, but if that were the case, then it would be an argument against being an intuition type here btw.Huh? Atgument against being an intuition type?The reason is simply that I know many women who have incredibly strong intuition. Whereas men seem to be blind alot of the times. My sister is such a person, by the first conversation she can tell wether a person is sincere, thus she is a person that isolates herself alot since she has gone through alot off bullshit as a wee kid. For example, she made a friend in uni. By the first conversation she knew she was off, but she secluded herself so much that she decided to give the friend a chance. She was right.When she was sitting on the buss a man stood up whenever she stood up. She could tell he was going to follow her, and she was right.She is always right, just from gut feeling.>>84733308Why?
>>84733317Women need the egalitarianism more than men do, so the term feminism is used so they don't get lost in all of the noise of men advocating for themselves.
>>84733366>they need it moreI don't care, your mindset is backwards and retarded, don't even bother responding you retarded marxist
People complain about door dash millenials and zoomies being lazy and socially anxious. But sometimes on a day like this where I don't feel so good, haven't been eating well and could do with a hot meal I wish I had either the wherewithall or confidence to order takeout myself. I always found sneaking to the supermarket in the dead of night and buying things off the machines directly to be much easier than directly asking some brown people to make me a full meal. Is it just racism that makes it easy for the normies? Like I suppose it's easy to ask someone to make you dinner if you don't see them as human. >>84732768>Your mbtiStill don't know>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?Yes, I do.>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?Nothing at all unfortunately, I think I'm backsliding on the whole praxis thing. I don't know what to do.>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?I think they're already human. Or at least a lot of them are. Although them being obviously divine precious beautiful super amazing beings can make that difficult to see sometimes. They also seem to leak on the periphery, I still remember clearly that when I went as far as Prague they started to uncomfortably resemble cattle. But that might have just been me noticing things differently in the most foreign place I've been.
>>84733401https://voca.ro/1lK0tS1Q9V00Rantble and top o' the mourning to ya
And by not as much I mean anyone that's not present-day aboriginal is at least a little bit racist but that factors in about as much as gravity, the one and one into the 2 into Three, space jelly migration Disco Elysium Christmas light rituals that could turn gravity off for interdimensional human traffickers, et cetera
>>84733342>I had to read through your reply multiple times Holy shit.I'm trying. That is a massive fucking summary that would make a LLM blush.>So if you're introverted, your unconscious is extraverted?>And if you're a thinking type, your unconscious is feeling?Indeed>Is this affected by the person's gender in any way?In the sense of the rules changing for women? Nah.Which functions tend to be more likely to be pronounced in men or women? The biggest divide is apparently Thinking(more likely in men) and Feeling(more likely in women), but I always wondered if that was Jung's own projection('cause he's a thinking type). There is also a minor divide between Sensation(slightly more in men) and Intuition(slightly more in women).How the functions show up? Women still generally operate more in certain spheres, such as the social one, that is regardless of their type. So let's say that stereotypically, an intuitive men will be focused more on the future possibility, invention and discovery - while the woman will more likely reveal that as "social intuition".>The reason is simply that I know many women who have incredibly strong intuition. That being said, the fact that intuition is the trait of women that makes a certain impression on you might be a trait of your psychology.Going to deduce here that it implies intuition is an inferior or less differentiated function yourself, and thus associated with the Anima. It's not enough to claim Sensation is your superior function for sure though, could still be Thinking first.I would be an example of the opposite: I never associated intuition with the feminine, that is often their aesthetic sense instead. I borrow a lot of that from my own mother, and even the magical girl thing comes from my sister watching them(and forcing me into also watching it along lol).Turns out intuition is my own primary function, I also had an aversion to consider it "mystical", because again that is associated with the "unconscious".
>>84733317>Women are real human beans, the problem is that your marxist mind can't seem to understand that they don't have to become men or act like men to be human, they have a different role and they're meant to fulfill a different purpose than men did, it's just how it is, and it doesn't take much to achieve that, we had it figured out for most of (western) society nearly from the get go, but someway somehow we decided to forget about itExtremely based take btw. In true Jungian spirit, I can pull a "an anti-feminist thinks about what it means to be female more, he's a better woman enjoyer than the feminist".
>>84732768>my head hurtsIt says "my head hurts"! "My head hurts!" \(^o^)/ *bounces excitedly up and down* :3
>>84733317>If feminism is meant for everybody, why call it feminism?You misunderstand: 'Tis not a statement, but a command.
In this society you either take medication or you end up being the one handing it out to other people. It's a pill or be pilled world out there.But yeah good on you. Drink lots of liquids! Ideally hot ones where you can. Top't'mornin'tyuh too>>84733480I meant more the base line social interaction than inconveniencing them. Your world overlapping with another's. I find someone cooking or delivering you food to be very intimate. Them not minding it or even enjoying the process just makes it gay. In many ways and I'm sure I speak for a lot of people here, it would be better if they hated the process. Sometimes I'd prefer to find spit in my soup to ease the discomfort. I'd feel a closer connection to humanity then. ___They're aware they're handing you something you'll be p**ping out in 1-2 days for a start. The only time I feel good about buying food is if it's going to, or from work so I can feel like a good comrade, wagies together sort of thing. Or if it's like a social thing where there's safety in numbers. It reminds me of that saying that the food you eat is with you when you're using the calories. In the same way mother pig is on my shoulder, the people who prepared and delivered the food are on my shoulders too, watching what I'm doing with their energy. So I'd have to do something they'd approve of. And that's a lot of pressure. >>84733771Yippiee! *serves turbie a delightful treat*
>>84733771Originally well done
>>84733823>Ideally hot ones where you canFuck no there's a heat wave outside.
>>84733838Hot drinks are better on a hot day. They help you regulate your temperature better. I always saw it as if your body doesn't have to worry about keeping itself warm it can focus on staying cool. A division of labour of sorts. Apparently this works even better at lower humidities. You just need to stay hydrated enough that you can continue to sweat it out.
I like that sleepy voice sound. i could listen to that every morning.
>>84733590>I'm trying. That is a massive fucking summary that would make a LLM blush.I mean it well! I just am an esl with mid tier reading comprehension. I indeed am a retard.What does it mean that a trait is unconscious or conscious?>So let's say that stereotypically, an intuitive men will be focused more on the future possibility, invention and discovery - while the woman will more likely reveal that as "social intuition".Ahhh..I see.>Going to deduce here that it implies intuition is an inferior or less differentiated function yourself, and thus associated with the Anima. It's not enough to claim Sensation is your superior function for sure though, could still be Thinking first.>Turns out intuition is my own primary function, I also had an aversion to consider it "mystical", because again that is associated with the "unconscious".Yes very much so my intuition is in the gutter. Especially compared to my sisters. It felt as though all women in my life had greater knowledge of social cues and social intuition, so i had to overcompensate with other traits. Generally all masculine figures i associated with heedlessness too.I am still not completely sold on the idea that people can be classed. I generally dont believe in it. I do think jungs theories seem super interesting, but from a gender analysis standpoint. I do think certain traits are more prevalent in certan people, but I'm just very antagonistic to it all. I have done the test before some years ago, and I came out as Entp. But it might have been because of my surroundings, as I was very socially active but it was draining the life out of me. But the test is somewhat true from what I read about my type, as i am incredibly aloof and have a very unstructured ruitine. And once I gain interest for anything, it is as though it has consumed me. I do think the test underscores how turbulent i can be, i experience positive emotions and oddly enough anxiety incredibly strong.Maybe I'll give this stuff a shot
[29] The sacrifice that Tertullian and Origen carried outwas drastic-too drastic for our taste-but it was in keepingwith the spirit of the age, which was thoroughly concretistic.Because of this spirit the Gnostics took their visions asabsolutely real, or at least as relating directly to reality, andfor Tertullian the reality of his feeling was objectively valid.The Gnostics projected their subjective inner perception ofthe change of attitude into a cosmogonic system and believedin the reality of its psychological figures.I see. People took things more literally then, and now, (in the late 1910s early 1920s) people live in a sort of abstract symbolic haze where nothing really means what it says it does? Everything you felt back then was real, even the things that weren't real. Like the world of a small child except civilizationally. I wonder what exact series of events caused the spirit of the age to change into the medieval, more metaphysical one, I guess Jung's already describing what happened.
>>84733793And that's exactly where my point on purpose comes in; why the fuck do you expect me to listen to a woman's command, except if it was my mom and I was 8 or something?(Which, by the way, was already too late for me and I was already on my own then, but let's not go into that)A woman cannot command, shouldn't command, shouldn't want to command, and there's nothing for a woman to gain from commanding anyone or anything, because that is not her role, that will not make her happy, it will not bring her joy, nor fulfillment, nor anything.Women are somehow taught by americanized retarded modern culture that they must act like men and do what men do if they want respect, and now you got a whole country full of trannies, with no father figures in sight, with a bunch of young men that feel completely lost and with no way out, and that constantly show suicidal levels of empathy just in the hope that they can one day maybe get laid, the modern 'feminist' idea failed in any and all points.
>>84733709I'm misogynistic not because I hate women, but because I love them and want them to be better, that is all
>>84733945>What does it mean that a trait is unconscious or conscious?Asking the big questions but,Conscious stands for both "aware", and also "directed by conscious intention" or individual will. Something is "conscious" when you are initiating it and concluding it. Unconscious stands for both "largely unaware" and spontaenous, natural, not directed, happens by chance. You don't *immediately* know how it got there and if has anything to do with the subject, but you might be able to establish that at a later time. Unconscious contents can be projected into other people, or even inanimate things.>I am still not completely sold on the idea that people can be classed.To be fair, Jung wasn't either. He's a lot less strict than how we do it nowadays, for instance there's a concept of an "innate" or "original type", but he will also tell you that type can change over the course of your life. (not getting into all the details of difference between "differentiation in consciousness" and behavior, or the cases of neurotic types here, but the important part is that he didn't conceive types as static unlike modern MBTI). >>84734051Excellent. Exactly like atheists and God, apparently.
>>84734024Human consciousness tends to abstraction as time advances, it seems.And the opposite trend is true, the primitive man is fully concrete.
>>84732193>Same here. Especially when she mentions things that I appreciate; like Ratchet & Clank and Planet ClaireGreat tastes but if you said Spyro I would have had to join your fanclub.
>>84733401On such days, a man needs a maid. >I suppose it's easy to ask someone to make you dinner if you don't see them as human. I'd say it depends. I think it's easy to ask someone close to you to make you dinner, but asking a stranger is awkward, in so small part because it makes it implies a familiarity that isn't there. The restaurant setting resolves this by providing a clear new context, but that context is stretched too far when you order delivery from bed. At that point you're faced with the choice of either manning up and getting your own food, or bitching out and doing your best to forget the means by which the food has appeared on your doorstep.So, it isn't that it's easy for people to use food delivery apps because they're racist, but using food delivery apps may cause them to develop racist tendencies. What really makes it easy for them is a repressed lack of self respect. That's what i think, anyway. >>84733823>it would be better if they hated the process. Sometimes I'd prefer to find spit in my soup to ease the discomfort.See, that would be assurance that the implied bond is not there, while simultaneously providing to you a new context with which to view yourself. It's worth considering what exactly that context is, and why you might find it appealing.
>>84734046It's not a woman commanding you. It's your overlord and he wants more wealth. "Women's work" is considered low value. Especially now that we have machines that do the hard parts. Thanks to the machines, a lot of traditionally male roles can be done by women now. The idea is mobilising women into productive roles. Even if they're bad at them it's still probably going to be more productive than sitting around all day waiting for the washing machine to be done. Of course the equation is how many bribes they need to agree to this which is why it's usually accompanied by the glazing.Personally, I'm of course pro-all of this, except the overlord should be the people doing the work. And ideally I'd have specialised washing machine wait arounder's rather than expecting the workers who are busy with their other roles to take time out of their days to do their washing. Maybe have it be collected weekly like the recycling.
>>84734138>It's not a woman commanding youVery good, however watch this>man has an "Anima" in his unconscious, that is either projected into a real woman, or something else that resembles a woman in his mind>inferior functions and opposite attitude are directly associated with the Anima>"the superior function is in your hands and is your tool, but the inferior function is your master"What would the conclusion of that be?
>>84732768>be a foid>be only sexually attracted to dominant men>still bitch about muh patriarchy female sexuality is the reason why the patriarchy exists
that one adhd character from borderlands 2?
>>84733823Based and Circe-pvlled
https://voca.ro/1mJqBAdAIXPu
>>84732768>Your mbtiYes.>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?No, I can't say that I support the the psyop from the American government to dilute the work force in order to pay workers less, and take advantage of women and rob them of their early years by tricking them and telling them that having a dead end job is somehow better than being a stay at home mom.>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?I woke up past noon to really stick it to the man.>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?nigga what?>>84734255Oh shit it's Tiny TINA! BADASS.
>>84734168>What would the conclusion of that be?That you should be using Socionics not MBTI. Duality and all that.
>>84734115It means imma *slave to the system*.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZByL72cnC8kEmbodied by whatever my inferior is supposed to be.
>>84734392Jung's entire thing is duality you knob.
>>84734392It's ok I only use Jvng now. Socionics probably tried to integrate that but idk how literally you can take it as relationship dynamics.>>84734401It's dualism with many extra steps but yea
>>84734401Google "socionics duality" instead of being rude.
>>84734401Actually it's not. That's a common misconception. Jung's whole thing was a unification of the totality into a coherent whole, Self.
>>84734130> It's worth considering what exactly that context is, and why you might find it appealingWell the obvious answer is just the sadomasochistic thrill of getting someone to do something for you that they don't want to do. It you're not making me food because we're comrades, then it could at least be as an act of being dominated like I'm some kind of Pharaoh or something. The spit proves to me that you fetched that burger against your own will. It would be nice if I didn't have to share the thrill of domination with the entire capitalist system, but it's better than nothing, and justifies being even more cruel to make up for the added insecurity.
>>84734392>>84734401which types pair well together in socionomics
>>84734447https://wikisocion.github.io/content/intertype.html
>>84734434I would call it mediation and generation rather than unification. The idea is that you start as an undifferentiated whole, like some sort of primordial soup in your mind. Then you differentiate something for the sake of acquiring consciousness(and that matches his typology, since it includes extraversion/introverison and at least one of the functions), and then from the tension of the two opposites, you get closer and closer to the wholeness of your Self through "symbols".
>>84734474The idea of integration is not merely mediation, it's a blending, a unification. Differentiation is not the end goal, integration is.
>>84734468Which types do you think would prefer reading from a link?
>>84734535Neither are the end goal, an endlessly generative T.F. would be the closest to "end goal".
>>84734024[30] In my book Wandlungen und Symbole der LibidoI left the whole question open as to the origin of the peculiarcourse the libido took in the Christian process ofdevelopment. I spoke of a splitting of libido into two halves,each directed against the other. The explanation of this is tobe found in a one-sided psychological attitude so extreme thatcompensations from the unconscious became an urgentnecessity. It is precisely the Gnostic movement in the earlycenturies of our era that most clearly demonstrates thebreakthrough of unconscious contents at the moment ofcompensation. Christianity itself signified the collapse andsacrifice of the cultural values of antiquity, that is, of theclassical attitude. At the present time it is hardly necessary toremark that it is a matter of indifference whether we speak oftoday or of that age two thousand years ago.Ah, so it was Christianity that broke the spirit of the age. And spawned the current age. Because it caused people to sacrifice their most beloved possessions, and that facilitated the ol' inheritance of the meek brain functions. Gnostic autism being an example of that? I'm not sure I really get that bit.Woo! and that's the end of i1. Coming up next i2. THE THEOLOGICAL DISPUTES OF THE ANCIENT CHURCH. How exciting!
>>84734468>>84734550Which interestingly enough, fits what Socionics describes as "Duality".Guess they got down the concept in theory, even if their system is a huge meme.
>>84734569Dualization is not the same as the duality intertype relation.
>>84734573I meant that what's written under Duality is an easy way to explain the Transcedent Function.
What the fuck was that man
>>84734605Ghosted greasy lady dot exehttps://youtu.be/fq3abPnEEGEHorny goat weed for my real friends, sliving expeditiously for my frens that keep it Treeal
>>84734568>it was Christianity that broke the spirit of the age. And spawned the current age.Truly the worst thing that has ever happened in history.All those commends become more funny when you remember Jung calls himself Christian.>Gnostic autism being an example of that?Basically. The "Christian process of development" creates the problem, and Gnosticism appears as necessary compensation of the unconscious that will not just disappear.
>>84734550The transcendent function is not a goal. Is it the means by which integration happens. The transcendent function is a tool
>>84734650I'd say T.F. itself is the goal because you cannot possibly integrate the entire unconscious, it's endless.However, you can keep a way to mediate between consciousness and unconscious up and running.
>>84734644I wonder if Jung thinks he happens to live in the transition to a new age, or if it's still too early to tell. Are we in a Hitlarian age, or was he just another Napoleon? Are we in the new age of the individual who is both metaphysical and biological already, or are we still the Turtillian's and Origens. Creatures of an old age bashing our early adopter heads into a new one? I suppose the only thing to do is to plow on.
France would be in an golden age if they didn't wipe out napoleon and his bloodline.
>>84734665The unconscious is not endless. It's living, moving, transforming. If you want to reimagine Jung and have your own belief system around the aversion of integration because "you can't integrate everything", have it it. But don't pretend like that's what Jung was teaching.
>>84734708>Are we in the new age of the individual who is both metaphysical and biological already, or are we still the Turtillian's and Origens.Probably a mix of both, because according to him nothing gets simply left behind, it's still there in the collective unconscious. And that also applies in the opposite way around apparently, I read yesterday that he thinks the Christian attitude was simply always lying dormant in the unconscious before actual Christianity happened , and eventually had to come out in some form.>>84734751The unconscious might as well be the subjective universe. Which can be thought both as currently finite but endlessly expanding beyond what you can grasp, or already endless.
>>84729328I remember you saying you wanted to try something new and give gen 3 a singles a try is all. I suppose the novelty factor is less important over 2 years later lol. Might as well give it a try for our first battle at least since I already made a team, but yeah like I said it doesn't look very exciting and there's a lot less options. The switch sounds cool since we can pretend that we learned double battles in the game. I guess the only question again is which gen to use.
>>84734789No, the psyche is the subjective universe. The ego is the light, the unconscious is the dark.Come on... Try harder.
>>84735060That's a way to see it, though I'm not sure if I get what you are driving at here.You think there is a point where it will be all light?
Everyone else gets to make friends and play switch games. I want to have friends and play with someone too but no one ever remembers me.
>>84735323Are you an infp?
tfw no more blackmagic cameos because he just post anon now
>>84735235I'm just pointing out how you're misrepresenting and misunderstanding the basic ideas of Jungian psychology is all.
tfw when no Blackmagic woman to cast her spells on me
Is that what this is?
Get Patchy to cast Dickus Removus on you.
>>84735598You keep saying that, but have you asked yourself if you understood them in the first place? And if yes, what makes you so sure you did?
>tfw don't know my mbti type because my personality is a learned and inauthentic manifestation that is a response to childhood trauma
>>84735688tfw i dont even know who that is lol
Only wan for me 'ecateSimple as
>>84735696Well, yes. Of course I've asked myself that. And the reason I know I understand it, albeit not in its totality, is because it's plainly stated. For example, differentiation is not the express goal of analytical psychology. Differentiation is a path towards integration. Differentiation simply for the purpose of differentiation is nothing more than mental masturbation. Analytical psychology, and thus the Psychological types, revolve around individuation. Individuation cannot happen simply with differentiation alone. Likewise, mediation is not the goal. Obviously, without mediation one cannot get to a place where the transcendent function can occur due to the psychological tension between opposites collapsing, which inhibits the process of integration. It's not even like we're talking about super complex abstract ideas. It's the basic principles of Analytical Psychology.The unconscious isn't infinite, it's just alive. It moves, it changes, it transforms. You make a part of it conscious, give it some time, it'll morph. And what you made conscious no longer exists in the same state anymore.
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>>84735790No one had claimed differentiation is a goal here.As for T.F. and integration, they are practically process and result, I was only contesting that a total consciousness isn't possible And as usual, there's hardly anything worth discussing about whether it's a better analogy to claim that the unconscious is endlessly expanding, or always changing.Still, I find it interesting how your own metaphor for differentiation there describes exactly what your posts could be viewed as.
An interesting psyop
>>84735975Glad you think so, it's all for you, after all. True Aryan.
THE CONVEYOR OF DEATH HAS COME INTO VIEW AND QUICKLY MY ETIQUETTE IS SLIPPING.. GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY.. GET THE FUCK OUT THE WAY,, I AIN'T GETTING SHREDDED.. GET OUT THE WAY! MOOOVE!!! AAAAAAAA
>>84735965I'm very well aware of the fact that no one claimed that differentiation was the goal, nor did I claim anyone had.The transcendent function is the process. Integration is the goal, it happens to be a perpetual goal that cannot be achieved in totality. But, the goal nonetheless. I also never said total consciousness was possible, nor did I claim that it was something which should be sought after.>whether it's a better analogy to claim that the unconscious is endlessly expanding, or always changing.It matters a lot within the context. The psyche is limited and the unconscious is contained within the psyche. This would be akin to calling the ocean limitless, simply because an X Y coordinate might look different today than tomorrow. Much like the unconscious, the ocean is dynamic, not boundless.>Still, I find it interesting how your own metaphor for differentiation there describes exactly what your posts could be viewed as.What are you talking about.....I didn't give a metaphor for differentiation...?
>>84736097>I''m very well aware of the fact that no one claimed that differentiation was the goal, nor did I claim anyone had.Then why bringing it up at all.>The psyche is limited and the unconscious is contained within the psyche. Is it? How do we know since we cannot see the limit? >This would be akin to calling the ocean limitless, simply because an X Y coordinate might look different today than tomorrow. Good thing the psyche is relative in time/space then.Your analogy here only works assuming there's an absolute space as a point of comparison.>I didn't give a metaphor for differentiation...?You compared "differentiation for its own sake" to mental masturbation. I'd say it represents your posts very well here, except replace "differentiation" with hair-splitting, which is a similar concept. And I sure hope I won't need to explain how.Your point here better not be "actshually that doesn't count as metaphor".It's always the usual pointless pedantry with you, I don't even know why you keep doing it once you've been called out. At this point I can only reason it out as trying to reverse the original situation where you got accused of pulling that "hmm actually that's what I've said all along and we were never disagreeing" - so you try to make me or anyone else experience the same thing as some sort of revenge plot. But I will take Occam's razor and claim you just want to act smarter than you are.
>>84735775https://youtu.be/pwoq710hLRU
>>84732768>Your mbtiintp>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?yes. when i was younger i thought it was all militant and anti-man but i now realize most of it isn't, and even the portions that are have a good reason to exist. i also believe men can't be "feminists" all we can do is be allies >(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?i didn't laugh at a friend's joke that basically said women were all whores and instead frowned and shook my head, i also no longer watch porn involving real women. i am 3 years clean and it's crazy how much better my mental health is >(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?they're real humans already
>>84736214As the preface of the sentence would so cogently imply, it was an example. Specifically, an example that is commonly misunderstood to be the central point of Analytical Typology.>Is it?You don't need to see the boundaries to know they exist. The psyche could be inexhaustible, meaning there's not enough time to explore the entire thing. It only appears to be boundless because of that.It also depends on what perspective you're looking at "the psyche" from. Your own personal psyche is obviously bounded. What exactly are those boundaries? Difficult to say or even know.But there is almost certainly a "greater psyche" that exists from without our personal psyche, which could feasibly be limitless. And even if this greater psyche did exist, it wouldn't necessarily grant limitless to your own personal psyche. >Your analogy here only works assuming there's an absolute space as a point of comparison.No idea what you're even trying to say. What I'm speaking about does not require absolute space, only a stable point of comparison. You could anchor a buoy in the ocean at specific coordinates. Take a picture of the ocean at that location. Return tomorrow, the ocean will be different on multiple levels of analysis. There will be different fish there. The water molecules will be from a different location. The waves will be different. It's still the same exact ocean at the same exact location. But your map (the picture) is no longer an accurate representation of what exists there now. >"differentiation for its own sake"Yes, differentiation for its own sake. Not differentiation. Also, if we're splitting hairs, it was an analogy, not a metaphor.>But I will take Occam's razor and claim you just want to act smarter than you are.>Your analogy here only works assuming there's an absolute space as a point of comparison.I lol'd.
>>84736523>Specifically, an example that is commonly misunderstood to be the central point of Analytical Typology.By who? Actually I don't think I've seen this opinion ever.>You don't need to see the boundaries to know they existBut if you cannot see, nor calculate them, then it's an entirely unsubstantiated claim.>Your own personal psyche is obviously boundedIs it?>only a stable point of comparison. That's what it means. If it's entirely relative, then you don't have a stable point of comparison.Ahem, if you know there's a distance of 10m between X and Y But at some point it becomes 11m, I could just figure out which object moved but...However, if all I know is the relative distance, then that's it, I cannot possibly answer this question in absolute terms. For all I know, both X and Y might be moving, or better yet - space itself just expanded from an origin point that exists between X and Y.>It's still the same exact ocean at the same exact location Yes but that's because "absolute space" exists in the non-psychic world.>we /physics/ nowAt least we are bringing some ideas to the table for a change.
>>84736658>By who?No one in particular.>But if you cannot see, nor calculate them,As a point of technicality, you cannot see or calculate anything within the psyche. It's all imagined, quite literally. Trying to apply the rules of the physical to the psychological is not a very good way to make any progress at all.Also, that's not even a true claim. You cannot observe or calculate the border between the conscious and unconscious, yet the relationship is abundantly clear. Just because something isn't observable doesn't mean it doesn't exist.You cannot see gravity, nor can you calculate it. But its effects are observable. The same principle applies. >If it's entirely relativeYou're talking about something entirely different, and I have no idea what your point even is. >absolute space" existsDebatable.>At least we are bringing some ideas Gay faggot homo physical ideas that have very little bearing on the conversation and don't really move the conversation in any real direction at all. >MFW you trying to shoehorn physics into this
Like why are you even bringing up the relative special difference between two objects? That has no bearing on what's even being discussed. It's like you just ignored the point of what I said and saw the word "ocean" and said "DAS SPESS". Like what?
>>84736789>You cannot observe or calculate the border between the conscious and unconscious, yet the relationship is abundantly clearThat was my point, sort of. We know there's a relationship or a distance, but you can't claim the space itself has a boundary.In the case of gravity I can calculate it, but here not at all.>mfw physics Your fault for using a vaguely physics-related example. That was absolutely begging for me to bring it up relatively of the psyche as claimed by Jvng.If there was a fixed boundary, then I could find absolute/stable points of reference, but that's the fun part.
>>84736876>That was my point, sort of.It's almost the antithesis of your point. >but you can't claim the space itself has a boundary.That's absurd. You can absolutely claim there's a boundary because there's a difference between the two. If there were no boundary, there would not be the unconscious and the conscious. There would only be one. It's a very simple idea. >Your fault for using a vaguely physics-related exampleIt wasn't physics related. You just.... *cough*... bless yer heart!
>>84736358https://youtu.be/EVGMKXGvpCAhttps://youtu.be/popIT8fuv0g
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>>84737248>Develop your SENSES>SENSES?!?>SENSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?REEEEEEEEEEE
>>84737157I'm choosing to take this in a good way.
>>84734168Roman Emperors and their Mothers. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a book about that.>>84734436What about when the spit isn't there? What's the context there, and what's so repulsive about it?>>84734138>Even if they're bad at them They're cheaper than men, and put their money where they're told. It also keeps they busy, which has a number of other benefits, to some. The overlords don't care if they're incompetent because they have personal privet doctors and lawyers and such, so it won't effect them until all the little errors finally build up into one big catastrophe, and by then they'll be as powerless us.It doesn't matter an inch whether you as a single individual is for or against this or any other social movement; it's just a matter of how prepared you'll be when it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down...Are you at the first gym or the second?
>>84737351Please do.https://youtu.be/lSb8mhf9x3Q>>84737268*straps baby heads to rockets in GMod*SICK 'IM CHITLINSWhen I Thrash it's to feel empty of anything but God that's why all my suicides weren't attempts at a Better Life only to get closer with my Best Friends in my noggin'
>>84737391That's a bop as one of my known associates would say.>weren't attempts at a Better Life only to get closer with my Best Friends in my nogginYou're scaring me. Please keep your self safe.
>>84737365Gym 2! although I do also have a gym 1 save state if you wanna go back, back to the past. Sorry I was in arcs hellven
>>84737391Maybe the besties in your head were the friends you made along the way.wait.... what?
>>84737566I'm as hood as I ever been, don't worry for me. Just pray *hearts*>>84737664Father forgive me for committing to the bit.
>>84737748Wouldn't it be more apt to ask forgiveness for being non-committal to the bit? Father forgive me, I got cold feet and couldn't go through with it!
>>84737365>What about when the spit isn't there? It's too much power for me to have! Maybe they enjoy their oppression. Or maybe, god forbid, they didn't think about me at all. I'm just a vending machine they put burgers in, and get money out.>They're cheaper than men,Only in the context that men are still expected to provide for women more than the other way around. But a lot of that is just residual leftovers from a previous age. Men are actually a lot cheaper on a societal level. They have fewer health needs, lower standards. Women suffer more chronic health issues and require specialised reproductive care. For the NHS it's about a 5:4 ratio, so not massive, but significant. It's largely just another one of those things of the private sector outsourcing costs to the state. The classic, "you already look after them so we'll pay less" kind of way. Someone's paying, it's just not the corporations who are exploiting a disconnect between people's expectations and reality. Hopefully by their own logic this means the disconnect shouldn't last long as the rational market corrects itself to fix the discrepancy, right? If women need to get paid enough to buy their own jewellery, cosmetics, fine dining and to support their own children and cover their health issues they won't be any cheaper than men. We're just in a weird in-between period where expectations hasn't caught up to reality. It's the capitalist's role to find things like that and profit off them. In a similar vein,I can afford to live quite well off of minimum wage because I'm still also living with my parents. This is great for the company that hires me, but terrible for the state and society as a whole. You're very optimistic about a collapse. I have at least some faith in the administrative class's ability to herd people like cattle. They just need to maintain a core of loyal and competent people to keep their systems going.
>>84737920Begging isn't how to contact Amma!
>>84737365>>84737997A good system is designed with the assumption that everyone involved is both corrupt and retarded. Also it doesn't actually take many people at all to change things, I heard like a 100 or so if they can get organized. So there isn't no point in having an opinion, the hard part is actually knowing what you want to happen. If your persistent and abandon shame you can go quite far in the world. Anyway anyway. I'm gonna go to bed now since it's stupid late.
>>84738071Don't beg for things, do it yourself.But, I would think- you know, since the bit is a message from God, the only way to fail is to be non-committal? Like if God said, "Hey, go slaughter that cities of sodomites." And then you did just that, I don't think you'd need to be like "Hey, God, forgive me for fuckin' up those sodomites real good like you asked."But instead, if you got cold feet and couldn't axe them all.Ya know?
>>84737748>I'm as hood as I ever beenhttps://youtu.be/N_1hJYpYfMg
>>84738973If you want the advice of a wise ol' sage stuck in the tower atop the frozen mountain;Pluck out a gray hair and plant it in a plant pot, when it fails to grow, throw your arms up in disbelief and anger, take the plant pot and march your way down to hell and smash the devil over the head with it and demand your money back because he didn't fulfill his side of the deal >"a plant pot that will grow anything"As you viciously point to the contract signed in your own blood, the camera pans and zooms into your finger, long and shriveled with fingernails like that of a witch lost in the swamp.>"ANYTHING!" Mister devil, ANYTHING! It says!The devil sighs, "ANYTHING THAT CAN GROW, YOU FOOL!!">"Ah, ah, ah!" You protest wagging your finger. >"That's not what the contract SAYS!"He sighs again."Fine."As he rips up the contract."You win this time."As he reaches into his pocket and hands you back your favorite penny you paid him 3 centuries ago."Now get out of my hell, and don't come back!"He says with an obtuse scowling frown on his face, and teleports you back to your humble abode in the mountaintop. Moral of the story?Sometimes cursed dirt is no home for an old white hare.
>>84739093https://youtu.be/oKpn758GTCo>One of those things where I'll get perfectionist avoidant because nothing I can say or do will convey how much I cherish this WeavingThank you, Teach'.>THERE'S MY CHIPPYWOAH NOICE
>>84739145Ah, don't talk down to yourself like that. Of course there's plenty you could say or do to convey that you cherish it. >You just have to believe what you say.Say it for yourself, not for me. I don't need to believe you. Who am I? Just some lowly sage hangin' out in a mountain rambling about pennies lost to the devil.Who needs perfection when good enough exists, right?
>>84739264Yeah, definitely a timing and place issue though. But I'm the only one who can still look myself eye to eye without even need for a head tilt when I talk/punch down! Some people would kill for that kind of ordained Ease. >Godspeed, Much Love, [Harvest not the Unripe] and allat, wher doin thus, where makennit haBpinYou're someone I'm glad to know and to be able to speak so freely with, that's a Shirley Temple with extra tongue-tie breaking practice on top. Some people cower at even the reflection of the wanton machination of what they deem most Invaluable, eerily irregardlessly.
>>84736932I see that way:The psyche itself knows no bounds, whether it's because it keeps expanding beyond its previous bounds, or it's already endless is a matter of perspective. You could only claim to know here if you assume tabula rasa, but Jung is explicitly against that.Conscious differentiation would be the equivalent of drawing a circle somewhere, and claim that as long you stay within the encircled area, technically you have a point of reference and absolute coordinates. It would also create a different layer, due to abstraction.Thing is, what exists outside of the circle is still unconscious and unbounded. You can keep circling more things, or expanding the original circle, but it's never able to cover everything.And that's only one of the many implications of attaching the psyche to the concept of space/time relativity.Don't think I can fully grasp everything else yet myself, but I could add that Jung also connects it to microphysics - claiming that all psychic events would be microphysical ones.I'm sure I can get something fancy out of those formulations by looking up what we know in those fields.
>>84739422You know what they say about waiting for the right time. "Don't count your chickens before the property appraiser assesses their coop." That's probably what they say, I've never raised chickens though.>*looks at the audience*Wait! We're not supposed to be making it happen yet! The script says that starts on page 37! We're only on page 19! The stage director is going to get angry again if we go off script!>wantonAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMY SYNCRONICITYWhat did GOD mean by this!?You know, their fear is understandable. Relatable, even. In way that's difficult to elaborate on. Like God himself handed you a paper with the answer to the universe, but if you looked at it too hard it might combust into time itself.
>>84739567The way Jung explains it is not that the psyche/unconscious expands. It shifts. The land itself changes and morphs. In theory, you could map the entirety of the psyche and the unconscious.But, by the time you'd reached the "end", the beginning would have changed its state completely. If it helps, you can think of the psyche as a land where time is accelerated or distorted. When the objects of that land leave your view, they morph and change much more rapidly than if they were in your view. On top of that, their change is not linear. It would be like going to a house, meeting an old lady, leaving for a day, returning and 200 years had passed in your absence. But the old lady evolved into a young kitten, and she tells you the story of how she spoke to a man every day who looked very much like you, who taught her how to become a cat.
>>84739877>In theory, you could map the entirety of the psyche and the unconscious.If you are trying to imply that what's mapped belongs to the "conscious" now, disagree with this one. You can conceive it purely as a concept, but in terms of whether this is actually something that can really happen, I'd say it's clearly not.>When the objects of that land leave your view, they morph and change much more rapidly than if they were in your view. But we must add that nothing leaves our "view" on its own, that would be us looking away.This might feel like a semantic point, but it's connected to the concept of what "ego-consciousness" is. We aren't merely observers in the conscious side of the psyche, we are actors and we move the objects at will.
119 is one of my angel numbers for obvious>Please don't let us all die inna car crash if none of these people will be my friends [let alone the Spouse] in a decade's time Too bad, one off, but a three with energies of [no concept for in oldest "counting" systems in known universe]>>84739654I've chickensat and this is wiseposting of you say jump we say Highest Caliper>IP theftBut I wanna post chapter with Acorn observatory!>burnt crab meat rangoonsNnnnOOOOOOh they're still oishi nebermime>Undertale Sans bubble. PerchanceYeah. I'd cry if that happened to my files/notes
>>84740189.. is cool too>>84739877Cernunnos salut! Saw cool attack eel shadows on canyon walls that reminded me of an AMV I found earlier, shizz was CHOIYCE
>>84733823Yay! Thanks! *glomp* (>^_^)><(^_^<)>>84733826<3Thank you so much! (>^_^)><(^_^<) <3<3<3
>The argument, at its core, is this: once you accept that intuition and sensation are structurally parallel functions operating on structurally parallel domains, the claim about intentional microphysical participation is no stronger than the claim about intentional macrophysical arrangement. And that second claim is something no one disputes.From Clod.It's that easy to establish in theory, though proving that we can intentionally arrange macrophysical objects is much easier than the microphysical ones, and you could say that on average we still know how to use our physical bodies(or rather, the macrophysical parts of the body) better than the psyche(which would be the microphysical component).
>>84734138Oh, yes, I agree with your assessment, it was indeed the men in charge that saw an opportunity for numbers to go up by 'showing women they can be men too' and put them to work, that is trueI don't agree with the second part, though, because I do not care about productivity, humanity shouldn't be seen or depicted as a machine, people just tend to see it as such but this in itself is inefficient because it only leads to chaos and decline, the lack of focus on individual health (mental and physical) due to the race to the bottom of 'how much can we make people do to make number go up' is going to be absolute shit no matter if only a few people gets to make money from it or if everyone does, gommunism is a dream that shan't ever become true, because it can't; not while the human is human, at least, maybe in 20 to 40 years and gene therapy gets mainstream and you can design your kid to be more compassionate and not be a greedy psychopathic kike etc, then sure, then communism could maybe work; but then who's going to be okay with designing their baby to be the farmer if they instead could have some cool job like being a doctor or something?Who's going to recycle the trash? Who's going to work the hard, risky jobs rather than hope for your kid to stay at home and do some bullshit exec job then? (that won't be replaced by AI by then, too) Transhumanism is the future and I WILL convince my kids to gene therapy theirs, of course, and I WILL chrome myself up as soon as it's safe enough to do so, but I also believe that the elite will be able to gene therapy their kids to be the greedy psychopathic kikes that they are even if it's 'mandated' for the goyims to have their kids become cattle, it's going to be a very interesting thing to see either way>>84734168This doesn't count, because the little ojouu-sama in my head is not a woman, couldn't be a woman, and can't be a woman, because, as you yourself say, she's my own invention and my own idea of what she is
>>84734168But I'll still entertain the thought; If your inferior function is your master, why did you pick the red button? :^)It's a very interesting concept, and I can't really disagree because my Fe does tend to sometimes push me to feel or think things I'd otherwise see as completely irrational, or I guess I used to see it that way, and now I'm slowly but surely accepting that they're not irrational, they're actually part of my rationality, they just seem irrational at first because I base my own opinion of what's rational on what my idea of what others may see or perceive to be rational or not, which is stupidly backwards but what can you doFor example, if people are happy around me, I have an easier time feeling happy, if they're sad, I'm sad, if they're mad, I'm mad, it's not necessarily empathy (not blind at least) because it depends on my relationship with the person in the first place, I'd sometimes make someone mad just for the sake of it and see how they react to things (that mainly happened when I was younger tho, I then realized that this is a sure way to lose people and make them want to stay away from you, but it still happens every now and then), so even though I like to think of myself as based in general (not the internet understanding of based, I mean that I think for myself and most of my ideas are my own and I can very very heartily disagree with people around me and people I frequent and will tell them as such), which is counter productive to my own happiness, right?Because telling people what they want to hear and whatever makes them happy would then make me happy, so it's in my interest to do just that... but I sometimes don't, not because I don't understand it (well accidents happen), because I often know exactly what I 'should' say in a given moment, but I simply chose not to, is it just self destruction because autism? I don't know
>>84740980>and my own idea of what she isIt's the archetypal idea itself that carries significance, though if you are able to separate the little ojou-sama in your head from this idea, then she has no power even if she were a real woman. Is it a good thing? Very debatable: the Anima will find another vessel - and for a lack of better options(no woman IRL, no waifu, etc) - the only remaining move ends up being Anima possession(you become the woman). You know when people state that troonism is the ultimate form of inceldom? They are right as per Jung, talk about a fun parallel. >>84741024>If your inferior function is your master, why did you pick the red button? :^)Because I'm a rebellious fuck and tell my master to fuck off. Well, the superior function is supposed to hold its own against the inferior function after all, it's just that the latter knows how to catch you unawares when you aren't specifically doing that, or in ways that you didn't think you were vulnerable to yet.> if people are happy around me, I have an easier time feeling happy, if they're sad, I'm sad, if they're mad, I'm madMeanwhile the Jung-accurate Fe Stacy enters the room and she decides what everyone is supposed to feel. Though she will also think whatever the fuck you tell her to think, or become stubborn about shit that doesn't matter in the slightest because the inferior thinking decided it does, for reasons.> I'd sometimes make someone mad just for the sake of it and see how they react to thingsI still do that at times, when I believe it's very deserved. Feeling development apparently equals being a little shit but with a moral high ground for my type.> but I simply chose not to, is it just self destruction because autism? Would be the superior function, the one you actually control, trying to hold its own against the unconscious.
Do you think lilac needs a big strong man with a hard cock to fuck her mouth so she stops talking or does she need a sissy femboy to cuddle with and yap into his ears all night to release her pent up speech energy?
I think there's no type that can easily harbor such a severe hatred for people like INFJs, feeling like aliens wherever they go and seeing through people being so horrid or fake. At the same time, they will feel a kind of compassion for (some) humans that's hard to find, but they will still want to burn the world when they're unhealthy or disillusioned
INFJs always love me but won't ever commit. Stupid fucking whores
>>84732768nrew here hi>Your mbtiinfp-t, according to my most recent runthrough>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?extremely so, yes. i have been pretty much all my life and nothing can change that>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?continuing to live as a passing trans woman feels like a visceral act of rebellion against the male oppressor, there isn't much more damaging to their egos than finding a tranny hot and catcalling her on the streets while simultaneously opposing our existence. making conservatives second-guess themselves brings me life>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?i almost forgot this was 4chan thank you for reminding me
>>84741578we are afraid of commitment sometimes, yeah. It feels like a final choice and we want to make the "perfect" choice (we will end up not choosing anything)
>>84741615OMG Natalie?>making conservatives second-guess themselves brings me lifebased. Us progressives need to learn to be better at trolling, make our own kind of black humor
>>84741629not sure who natalie is but that is a good name
>>84741640Contrapoints
>>84741578are you INFP?>stupid fucking whoresor the ENTP guy?
>>84741650ah, i've heard of her yeah
>>84741656No I'm a masculine type
>>84741675so, ISTP? INFJs are secretly whores for STPs type physically wise
I know of the INFJ and xSTP whore pipeline, but no I'm the superior type INTJ. The most masculine of all.
>>84741712oh, now I get it. You guys know about everything, it's really interesting talking to you about things but you are the most arrogant fucks on Earth, us INFJs are arrogant too but subtly or unknowingly, you're outwardly arrogant and we cannot really stand that
>>84741734I have the trait of pride, but I acknowledge it's evil and would not be arrogant with my INFJ wife.I submit on my knees every single day so as to not become vain. I just know that I'm high rank amongst the world as is the INFJ, castes should stick together not mix with the mudbloods.
>>84741656I don't see INFJs as whores, not more than most other types or most other women in general, being 'a whore' is the default, natural state of being a woman, it's not tied to INFJs, you seem to misunderstand why I shit on INFJs constantly, I was going to type 'why I dislike them' but, I don't even necessarily dislike them, it's simply a mix of them being a type I intimately know and knowing and understanding that they see themselves as such divine creatures that they need to be kicked down a few notches, because it's both fun to punch up and good for them to get a reality check on the fact that, no, they're not angels, no, they're not sent by [insert divine authority/mandate] to tell us what is right and wrong, and no, they can't always use their charm and mysticism to get out of socially awkward situations and ESPECIALLY the confrontational kindSo, no, they're not whores, even if they're always horny for that dominant Ne cock
>>84741834Oh, forgot to add, and it's pretty important;No, you're not perfect, and more importantly; no, nobody expects you to be perfect or to do things perfectly, stop using it as a fucking excuse not to do something people expect you to do simply because you don't think you can make it good enough, just fucking do it you whoreThat is all
>>84741789I am prideful as well, but never willfully arrogant, no reason to be and if it was, it's not in my nature. I guess I am arrogant when it come to my ideals and the way I see the world, I'm not arrogant about myself but about my worldviews>I submit on my knees every single day so as to not become vainthat's a well developing Fi, it's a good thing if you're seeking a feeling partner>I just know that I'm high rank amongst the world as is the INFJwe are a mess compared to TJs, we're both out of the matrix tho, in spirit
>>84741873Holy typo, sorry
>>84741834>no, they're not angelstrue, I'm a fallen angel and I do have evil inside of me>to tell us what is right and wrongwe simply know best>they can't always use their charm and mysticism to get out of socially awkward situations and ESPECIALLY the confrontational kindit's about the bigger picture other INFJs do that? I'm stealing this technique, thank youu >>84741866nah
>>84741873It's hard not to be arrogant when you look at yourself in the mirror and see Patrick Bateman staring back day after day.The INFJ struggles to feel the same because they're too eepy to get to the shower.
How much does the INxJ value sense perception or are they just stuck in their heads completely?
>>84741192Honestly I was mostly shitposting about the ojouu-sama, I don't really have anything in my head that has any 'shape', or rather there's not a fixed one, the interlocutor I'll have my internal monologue with will take whatever shape makes more sense, if I'm thinking of a conversation I had with my wife then I'll imagine her, if it's with my INTJ friend it'll be him, and if it's with purplesmart then it'll be her, and if it's just pointless ramblings then it'll be me, but I just assume that this is true for anyone with an internal monologue?Is it not the case?I do know that a lot of people don't have that voice in their head, the monkeys are still walking among us, but for anyone with a monologue then surely it will take the shape that their brain can most easily make sense of, you see this in all form of popular media when someone (usually shown as unhealthy or going insane or whatever) is having conversations with people that don't exist, that's just a projection of their inner monologue isn't it?Tho for some reason I'm thinking of House from house M.D as the best example of it and he's definitely a strong intuitive user, and so is the doctor in battlestar galactica... so maybe this is an intuitive thing, mmhhIntredasting I don't know about the tranny part, maybe, see when I think of trannies I mostly think of the speedrunning community (first example that comes to mind) because I don't live in the US and so we don't do the tranny thing here, and the only one I ever had to interact with was working from canada and he was mostly fine, just another autistic guy with a passion for retro games so I didn't really care for that aspect, so I don't knowBut for all these other speedrunners that turn into trannies, I wonder? What would cause their anima to not find a fitting receptacles? Is it tied to the peer pressure they were feeling? Or is the peer pressure sensitivity BECAUSE of the lack of shape given to their anima, I don't fucking know
>>84741964>Patrick Batemanew. Not specifically to you. Great movie but hate those kind of guys with a passion, I don't remember another movie protagonist I hated as much as Bateman>too eepy to get to the showerdidn't feel this burn much because I'm one of the cleanest people I know. I took it too literally didn't I? Anyway, we have other kind of complexes
>>84741991Can be valued as necessity, a source of inspiration, or a weird obsession, but the idea is that an intuitive and especially an introverted one is particularly detached from physical reality. At worst they don't even feel their own body, and at best they will still be somewhat aloof.>>84741997>Is it not the case?In my case it's a little funny. See, normally my internal monologue has no shape, I don't even hear my own voice though I still "feel" the word being spoken.But very fittingly to what I just said to the other anon, since I also like to write character dialogue, there I go full sensoid and straight imagine expressions, tone of voice, even gestures and you could say I'm straight running a fully animated movie in my head. >because I don't live in the USGood for you. There again, I'm also in EU rn.> Is it tied to the peer pressure they were feeling? Or is the peer pressure sensitivity BECAUSE of the lack of shape given to their anima, I don't fucking knowCould be both ways. Of course modern culture doesn't help, since it accepts that form of Anima projection despite being the most destructive of them all(better known as archetype possession)
>Angelus Silesius was such a man; he lived in a time when he simply could not find his equal. Yes, if he had been able to travel to India, he would have found his equal. They would have said his truth was an old truth which they had known long ago. But nobody could understand in the West. And what happened to him? >Well, he was a fellow who did not get into Dionysian enthusiasms because, as his fate shows, he locked himself away with his complex. He locked himself up literally in a monastery where he died. He lost all his beautiful poetry completely, and produced fifty-six awful pamphlets against Protestantism. >He had been a Protestant and he died most miserably in a hell of a neurosis in a monastery. You see, that was the other way round: his body died before his soul, and his soul became a terrible, poisonous demon-the soul of that man who had produced "Der Cherubinische Wandersmann," that sweet mystic verse. And then fifty-six pamphlets against Protestantism! >That is something horrible, really satanic. But it is what naturally happens to the introvert, or at least to the one who prefers that mechanism. It is of course only faintly a question of type. I am convinced that even an introvert can use an extraverted mechanism if he uses the way of the inferior function.As long you don't say he "uses the way of the auxiliary function" we will be happy here.Still that's an interesting way to put it.1/2
Also>Nietzsche had an extraverted mind, so he would use the extraverted mechanism, the Dionysian way. >But you see both in Nietzsche's case. He was first a professor at the University of Basel, but he was not quite understood, so he locked himself away with his complex and lived quite isolated. >Then the unconscious came up with all its extraversion, and this time he locked the complex away from himself and dissolved in a tremendous extraversion within his isolation, exactly like old Angelus Silesius-who should have discovered the cellar of the monasteryand about a thousand bottles of old wine.Though we know that Nietzsche personally is an introverted intuition type, so that's also a peculiar way to put it. That will be confirmed multiple times in the same seminar here.2/2
Also fuck nearly a week to read 1/11 seminars. That's going to take a fuckin while.The 1925 one was NOT that long, did it 2 days.
>>84733342>Huh? Atgument against being an intuition type?Yes, calling intuition feminine being an argument against being intuitive is a bizarre leap in logic
>>84742754It's very straightforward from the OG perspective, what you associate with the opposite sex is conditioned by Anima/Animus projections, and the Anima/Animus represents the inferior function(s).Besides, he did say so himself.Of course, that assumes the subject is identical with his own expressed standpoint here. If one speaks in more detached, purely rationalistic terms, then the association is a known one.
>>84740980>I do not care about productivityWell that's the crux of the issue really. There's a reason feminism is so closely tied with the great bomb making competitions one and two. When the goal was to pump out as many explosives as possible; fascists, monarchists and democrats could all suddenly justify female workforces. It's undeniably better if you're actually trying to achieve something, and the argument against is that you don't think anything needs to be done. Today, the only grand project going on is to make imaginary number go up, so we are at a fork in the road. Either we find a new goal and fire up the people grinders to max capacity, or we Lastmanmaxx scale back and have 99% of people sit around jerking it while a handful of champions/unfortunates operate the iphone and chicken tendie machines. Either way there's no going back to old sex relations. Well there is, except that would come under category two and require people to be kinkier than I thought possible and use their new found freedom to on-mass bdsmlarp. Whatever, I suppose it's not that much crazier than the current economicactivitylarping that goes on today. As always leftoids and rightists often end up on the wrong side and advocate for the complete opposite of what they say they want so who cares I suppose. Bring on the robots. I'm still not convinced we're not just gonna run out of microchips or helium or something in like 20 years anyway. Sometimes the AI boom feels like an intentional ruining of mass market computer parts. Something I've dreamed about is that if I was a feudal lord, burning all the oil in the world would be a good way of preventing my rivals from using aeroplanes against me. Like a pre-emptive attrition war.>>84740288Nya! prrrr, meow!(>,^_^,)><(^_^<)
Do you think INFJs would enjoy being spanked?
>>84742444>1/11 seminarsPost your full reading backlog.>>84742827>what you associate with the opposite sex is conditioned by Anima/Animus projectionsProjections are the surface signature.
>>8474287211 all in the same placeFor a total of around 1300 pages about Zarathustra, wake me up. Re-reading PT would have been better than this.It's good stuff and it does include the typology too among other things, but not as good as the 1925 one still.
>>84742865INFJs are very kinky. Not everyone enjoy the spanking kink but some would
I don't think I could ever be with anything else than a NF. Sensors just don't get it, no matter how hard you try, their mind isn't programmed to think differently. They're NPCs at heart. And thinkers are too rational and detached, they may understand but they don't bother to
>>84732768>>Your mbtiINTP>>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?No, feminism is for women and their interest only.>>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?Why would I? women themselves already do a pretty great job to keep it alive>>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?But they're human, just opportunistic and selfish people.
I think I could be with any personality type as long as their nice and loved me and I could run my fingers through their hair while we hold hands
2. THE THEOLOGICAL DISPUTES OF THE ANCIENT CHURCH[31] It is more than probable that the contrast of types will also be found in the history of the schisms and heresies that were so frequent in the disputes of the early Church. The Ebionites or Jewish Christians, who were probably identical with the primitive Christians generally, believed in the exclusive humanity of Christ and held him to be the son of Mary and Joseph, only subsequently receiving his consecration through the Holy Ghost. On this point the Ebionites were diametrically opposed to the Docetists. The effects of this opposition endured long after. The conflict came to light again in an altered form-which, though doctrinally attenuated, had an even graver effect on Church politics-about the year 320 in the Arian heresy. Arius denied the formula propounded by the orthodox Church: (of one substance with the Father), in favour of (of like substance with the Father). When we examine more clearly the history of the great Arian controversy concerning homoousia and homoiousia (the complete identity as against the similarity of Christ's substance with God), it seems to us that homoiousia definitely puts the accent on the sensuous and humanly perceptible, in contrast to the purely conceptual and abstract standpoint of homoousia. In the same way it would appear to us that the revolt of the Monophysites (who upheld the absolute unity of Christ's nature) against the Dyophysite formula of the Council of Chalcedon (which upheld the inseparable duality of Christ, his human and divine nature coexisting in one body) once more asserted the standpoint of the abstract and inconceivable as against the sensuous and naturalistic formula of the Dyophysites.Goodness that's a lot of creed dropping. >Homoousia vs Homoiousia Did trying to wrap his head around all this hair-splitting do irreversible damage to Jung's psyche? Perhaps humanity as a whole. I guess that's kind of his point.
As long it's not an INFP I'm are good.
>>84742994Interpreting sacred texts is no joke. People will literally kill each other over the hair-splitting.
>>84742994Contrast between types can be found in the schisms of the early churchEbonites>Jewish Christians, probably basically just what the earliest christians were like, since you know, duh. >Think Jesus was a real human bean, and son of Mary and Joseph>Was later consecrated by the holy spiritDocetists (From what Jung said in paragraph 15)>Christ was basically a ghost and everything that happened on earth was just an illuuusion.>These guys hated each other and the effects of their feud lasted a long time after they'd stopped arguing>This argument came back, although it was kind of watered down I guess? Apparently that's what "doctrinally attenuated" means???>In 320 Arius tried to be a bit of a weasel by saying Jesus was "kinda like" god when everyone else in the meetup was saying God and Jesus were literally the same thing.>Homoousia = God and Jesus are made out of the same goo>Homoiousia = I can't believe it's not Godder!>Homoousia is purely abstract and conceptual>Homoiousia puts emphasis on the things you can see and touch.Monophysites>upheld that christ was just divine (had to google this one)Dyophysites>upheld that christ was divine and human living in the same body>This is again a dichotomy between just embracing utter nonsense, and people trying to make some sense of utter nonsense with things they could understandPhew! Glad I could decipher some of that. Interested to see where this goes.
>>84742994>Did trying to wrap his head around all this hair-splitting do irreversible damage to Jung's psyche? Perhaps humanity as a whole. I guess that's kind of his point.Yes. These people were (and are) so wrapped up in pseudo-intellectual babble and their and own musings that they failed to understand mercy, covenant, and who God is. They brought the world in and made their traditions central, rather than their acclaimed Savior. Still is true to this day, yet the Holy Spirit still does live, reign, and reside with believers who yearn for and search for our creator.
The fucking retard kekntaur should put this into the OP picture already.t. PVTCHOVLI>>84742902The Hinduism focus seminar series?
>>84743264I'm so retarded I don't even get the reference. heheh, checkmate nerd!
>>84743264It's the series on Nietzsche's Zarathustra actually. Reading it because I've found quite a few statements on his theory, including typology too. Dropped some already, might drop again once I reach them in order.
grrr i need wilderness berry girlfriend to pluck and trim and cook my quail
>>84732768>>Your mbtiINTJ>>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?Yes!>>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day?No.Very good questions this time! Because.>>84743273There's a reference?
[32] At the same time it becomes overwhelmingly clear to us that, in the Arian movement as in the Monophysite dispute, although the subtle dogmatic question was the main issue for the minds that originally conceived it, this was not so for the great mass of people who took part in the controversy. Even in those early days so subtle a question had no motivating force with the masses, who were stirred rather by the problems and claims of political power that had nothing to do with differences of theological opinion. If type differences had any significance at all here, it was merely because they provided catchwords that gave a flattering label to the crude instincts of the mass. But this should in no way blind us to the fact that, for those who kindled the quarrel, homoousia and homoiousia were a very serious matter. For concealed within it, both historically and psychologically, lay the Ebionite creed of a purely human Christ with only relative ("apparent") divinity, and the Docetist creed of a purely divine Christ with only apparent corporeality.Interesting that the Extraverted-Feeler-Sensor equivalent accepts some of the divinity, but the Introverted-thinker-intuitive accepts none of the human Christ. Either the Is are floating off into space or human is already half way to divine perhaps. Or maybe Christ is already just an INT space. I wonder if there's an equivalent situation where it's pure sensors vs half and half intuitoids.>>84743323>There's a reference?Gah! You win this one! I'll get you next tiiimmme!
>>84741991The inferior function has a bit of a hot-cold black/white thinking to it. So they may either completely disdain it or maybe even have something of a "Noble Savage" outlook on Extroverted Sensation types. Hell they might have the same thoughts at the same time.
>>84743373cont.And beneath this level in turn lies the great psychological schism. The one position attaches supreme value and importance to the sensuously perceptible, whose subject, though it may not always be human and personal, is nevertheless always a projected human sensation; the other maintains that the chief value lies with the abstract and extra-human, whose subject is the function; in other words, with the objective process of nature, that runs its course determined by impersonal law, beyond human sensation, of which it is the actual foundation. The former standpoint overlooks the function in favour of the function-complex, if man may be so regarded; the latter overlooks man as the indispensable subject in favour of the function. Each standpoint denies the principal value of the other. The more resolutely the adherents of either standpoint identify themselves with it, the more they strive, with the best intentions perhaps, to force it on the other, and thereby violate the other's supreme value.Gahh, why can't we all just be friends! I'd never push my standpoint onto someone else! No suree, not me! That would be terrible!
>>84741991Depends on what's the current target of the sense perception.Maybe that's why sensors have trash taste, and why having trash taste is a sign of being a sensor (I'm joking right now, almost, mostly. Are y'all the type to appreciate a joke? Y'all'ren't. Sighhhhhhh).
patchi is aggressively unlikable
my favorite part about patchy is how she comes like a dude despite having a vagina
>>84743439Jvng is still a Fe-groid in his unconscious y'know.
>>84740189You could always come hang out atop my icy mountain. There's even a volcanic portal to hell, through which we can sacrifice all of our worldly goods. Just don't let the devil catch you doing that, he'll give you some shpeel about how his volcano isn't a trash disposal, yada yada yada.It's not even his volcano though. It's not even a volcano! It's MY mountain. The guy doesn't know his ass from his head.Wise is a bit of a stretch though, perhamps?
>>84743373>Even if the thought leaders were arguing over autistic bullshit, the same is not so for the masses, who were just in it for blood and because they liked being told what to do.>Any ideological differences were just buzzwords and slogans they could use to justify being nasty>But this doesn't mean that the quibbling didn't matter to the eggheads and brainboxes who started it.>Because they were arguing about basically the same thing they'd been in fisticuffs over for decades if not hundreds of years>>84743439>Beneath this dispute lies the REAL issue for REAL men>One camp loves REAL stuff. Bottom text>The other camp loves abstract nonsense that doesn't actually mean anything. But it makes them feel smart because they say it's bigger than them and imperceptible or something. These guys got totally one-shotted by lovecraft and haven't recovered since.>The first camp sees past the trees to the forest, claiming that a bunch of functions working together to find something real is more important than one on its own. I think that's what he means anyway I ctrl f'd function-complex and that was the only result.>>if man may be so regarded;What did he actually mean by this?>The other ignores everything else and just focuses on individual brain functions>these standpoints are like worst enemies, they want each other freaking dead.>The more you become one, the more you try and crush the other, even if you're trying to be nice, you're still basically violating the other attitude every day just by existing.Again that's so sad! How do we fix this sorry state of affairs?>>84743585die *shoots u*
reggie orgy on ice mountain
your walls of text make my ADHD brain feel very stupid
>>84743641lmao that picAlso I'm going to need to re-watch HC eventually, there's so much kino here. These girls read Jung harder than us.>if man may be so regarded;ngl I'm not entirely sure. Probably trying to imply you cannot think of man as only the function-complex.>How do we fix this sorry state of affairs?The type problem requires a final solutoin.
NO, YES, FUCK IT! I AM IN LOVE WITH CENTAUR AND HE IS IN LOVE WITH ME AND DONT YOU FUCKING GIVE ME THAT LOOK LILAC BECAUSE I DIDNT FUCK YOUR BF. YOU TWO WERE BROKEN UP FOR 3 WEEKS AND 3 DAYS BEFORE WE EVEN HAD SEX SO I DIDNT BETRAY YOU. PLUS YOU GUYS ARE TERRIBLE FOR EACH OTHER AND YOU KNOW IM RIGHT AND YOU GUYS CAN ALL JUDGE ME IF YOU WANT BUT I DO NOT CARE! I HAVE NEVER, EVER BEEN HAPPIER!
>>84743743>lmao that picok so cure is magais there anyone here that isn't a sexist chud
Now go ahead and delete it, promptly!
>>84743815>is there anyone here that isn't a sexist chud
>>84743815precure fanbase is notoriously right wing, and they're also insufferable spergs. pc threads were the worst thread in /a/
>>84743829kek, exactly. orignialgihnansld
>>84743849Curefriend said the Precure threads were bad too
>>84743849True on both points, but that's why you post Precure literally anywhere else on the site instead.
>>84743867it's an unspoken yet established rule: the moer/cuter the girls they post are, the more right wing and chuddy they are. Now what's still a mystery is how to identify if they're the aggressive kind or the passive aggressive kind>>84743868wdym?
Subconscious spillings, seems
>>84743815>t. doesn't get itthat pic re-appropriates an originally sexist meme and turns it on its head, challenging the original audience to reflect on the ways in which they see the world. Maybe I can spell it out by giving the character a haircut or even replacing her with a chudjack, the introvert can be anyone after all, but that would remove the aspect of forcing the male audience to relate with the female caricature. Why shouldn't it be a woman. Ironically erasing the woman in an attempt to avoid appearing sexist. The pic as currently presented is a form of revenge against the predominantly introverted male audience of this thread. You laughed at her, and now you must be her. The image explicitly transposes the woman from being an object into being a subject. She is looking you in the eye, not for your approval, but as (You) itself. Daring you to tell her that you aren't her.
>>84743891>wdym?You wouldn't want to use /a/ to talk about Precure. As the other anon said the general (formely known as /pc/) really fuckin sucks. Still go there every once in a while especially when a new season is about to start, but still.
>>84740149>If you are trying to imply that what's mapped belongs to the "conscious"That is a bit of a misnomer. If you make something unconscious conscious, does it belong to the conscious? If I draw a picture of a tree, does that tree belong to me? It's not about ownership, it's about awareness.What is certain is:The unconscious can be made conscious. And if one part of the unconscious can be made conscious, any part of the unconscious can be made conscious. Albeit, the totality likely cannot, due to its inexhaustible nature. >But we must add that nothing leaves our "view" on its ownThat's not exactly true. Don't forget, the unconscious is autonomous and can withdrawal itself from conscious view. The ego is not the sole arbiter of the psyche. The unconscious is not different from the conscious, other than the fact that it's unconscious. It has its own motivations, desires, needs, etc. It acts, and plans, imagines, and processes just like you do.
>>84743867>>84743916I used to post on cure threads. Way way before cureanon was a thing here, I brought up MBTI there and they got autistically mad like everytime someone brought up something "off topic". It only happened there, that was the only thread on /a/ where you weren't allowed to talk about anything but precure, gaslighting you into thinking you were trashing the threads. Sure other /a/ generals have their flaws but that place was, like zoomers say, toxic. I told them to fuck off long ago because that wasn't the only bad thing about it btw. It was quite sad that the only place where to discuss precure that wasn't populated by children and teenagers was like that, I only sticked around because there were some good anons to talk to and sometimes we had fun making fun of the spergs, they already established we were their imaginary "shitposters" so may as well go along with that definition from time to time. One time anon posted a pic and some went mad for it, so much it turned into a meme.This season seems to be great too, don't know if things changed now.I was quite surprised when I came back here and found a cure poster
I am not the type to even really care much for extroverted thinking but it seems like of all the functions not only is shitty extroverted thinking incredibly common, it is also the most likely to do actual damage. Nobody seems to care that much about replication, checking sources and other such issues and instead just go along with whatever a headline says or not even bother to ask how those results even manifested. If they even bother looking past the headline at all. Nobody seems to know what "Averages" are as well.
to this day I still wonder if Rolafag was one of the spergs getting mad or a troll. If he was the latter, based
>>84744016>Nobody seems to care that much about replication, checking sources and other such issues and instead just go along with whatever a headline says or not even bother to ask how those results even manifestedbut aren't Te users the most likely to be anal about sources? INTJs ISTJs are like that, getting into endless discussions about statistics and fake news. Sure they push their own narrative with those but still
>>84744016I have huge Te user envy. They actually get shit done, always. I have never met a lazy Te user besides INFP, and yet INFPs can be very dedicated to their work too
>>84743942>If you make something unconscious conscious, does it belong to the conscious?Purely in conceptual terms, yes. If a previously unconscious thing is brought into the conscious, now it becomes part of it.You could use the functions as example, since they all start unconscious and merged into each other, but then one gets differentiated into the conscious, thus abstracted from the rest.> It's not about ownership, it's about awareness.That's what you seem to be fundamentally mistaken about. Ego-consciousness in Jung also implies ownership, see how he speaks of the superior function for instance.>Don't forget, the unconscious is autonomous and can withdrawal itself from conscious view. The ego is not the sole arbiter of the psyche. Sure, but what you are saying here only has to do with "awareness".Whenever something is made conscious, that does not move anymore without you making it move.>>84744006While I do understand their concern with "off-topic" since there were some attempts at derailing the general before - yeah, they went full schizo about that and identifying literally everyone as rolafag or whatever bogeyman they come up with. You try bringing up Minori too, while we are at it.As for the season, well I like it more than the previous one but I also like Kokoro more than anyone else in Meitantei. Mikuru do be cute tho, Luluka is nice.
>>84744076Rolafag was pretty funny. If he was the troll I think he was, I think it was hillarious when he showed up. I knew he was an aifag, if I remember correctly, so I get their distrust but I didn't really care much myself, I don't think a single anon had that much power to derail the thread. Spamming about him made things worse and thread turned into endless arguing about inside stuff instead of "actually talking about precure" like they used to say>Minori cute character and minorifag was cute too, I don't know what his deal was>As for the season, well I like it more than the previous one but I also like Kokoro more than anyone else in MeitanteiI feel sorry for Kokoro. They fumbled Idol bad, her character got screwed the most for no reason. As for Meitantei, I have to catch up, I just know this is one of the best season in years, is my intuition right or something before it better?
there's two curefags now? which is the real one?
>>84744076>Purely in conceptual terms, yes. If a previously unconscious thing is brought into the conscious, now it becomes part of it.No it does not. Becoming conscious of something which is unconscious does not make that thing part of the conscious. You can actively and consciously observe something which is unconscious, and it can remain unconscious. >Whenever something is made conscious, that does not move anymore without you making it move.This almost reads as a parody of Jung. You're just completely defying the Red Book. Jung's entire psychology rests on the discovery that conscious awareness does not eliminate the autonomy of unconscious contents.I honestly don't even know where'd you get this sort of belief from, because it's the exact opposite of what Jung speaks about.
>>84744232I'm not a curefag but I occasionally talk about precure because I'm a fan
Purecure is hot garbage.
Precure watch-along when?
is turbie a precure
Nobody laughed at my precum joke the other thread
>>84743679Never doubt yourself anon. Sometimes it's the wall of text that's just stupid. Are there any in particular you need help with?
>>84743323What's stopping women from being human in your eyes? Is it because they're incapable or is it like one of those trick answers where they have to become something else because even the term woman excludes them humanity?
>>84744149>is my intuition right or something before it better?Relatively to the last years? You're good. Maybe Idol has a better start I guess? In general? We will see, we are barely into the second cour. It's not Heartcatch-tier, but probably will do better than hero, wan and Idol combined.>cute character That she is. I'm not sure myself how the whole shitposting surrounding her started.>I feel sorry for Kokoro.You and every other anon I guess. Everyone says they should have done more with her.At least her character arc exists.>>84744274Would be cool if enough fans end up posting here, somehow. Well, the series is Jung-pilled. Even Idol was(muh joining light and darkness, and the Meroron scene), and the current series isn't making it too subtle>Cure Arcana Shadow>theme about finding your own truth, how the individual shapes it, and how it shapes the individual>>84744235Now back on the topic, before the spirit of /pc/ materializes here to remind us that this isn't a Precure thread...>You can actively and consciously observe something which is unconscious, and it can remain unconscious. Correct, but observation and awareness aren't differentiation.You can also observe the inferior function and stay aware of it, or the shadow, but that does not become operable by the subject's will yet.>I honestly don't even know where'd you get this sort of belief fromReading Jung. The problem is that, despite claiming otherwise, it turns out you are the one who missed a very basic concept: the Ego/conscious has a "will", that is, your own will. To differentiate something in consciousness is to make the thing subject to your intentions, not merely having it pop out in your current awareness.
>>84744433>wonderful hateropinion discarded
>>84744459Well go wan-wan yourself too.
>>84744433Wonderful was great. It ended up being one my favorite seasons because I felt for the story and the characters more than with any other season. They felt genuine. It is not the best season and it did fuck some things up, the action and the very slow burn, but I have fond memories of it regardless. Is SD better than wan in your opinion?
>>84744500>Is SD better than wan in your opinion?I don't like to judge before the series is done, but I'm kinda biased because I certainly like the mysteryfagging.tl;dr it's a Detective Conan-like show with solvable mysteries and hints given before this kind of scene pops up and the cures solve the mystery. There are both episodic mysteries and overarching ones.Action is there too, some was pretty good, the rest average enough.
>>84744542I did watch some episodes, I know the main dynamic. What I was asking was: is the plot more interesting? Does it flow better? Are there more kino moments compared to Wan? Stuff like that
>>84744589Don't want to spoil much, but I thought what we got so far is decent enough.The plot does appear to be more interesting, purely from the premise alone since you have seen what it is about already.There's at least one kino moment so far.
>>84744315It's ok I laugh at every precum joke(they make them a lot).
>>84744620oh yeah the two parter was good. I wish things got creepier
>>84744637I'm hoping this is sort of a reverse-Idol and instead of making it as "comfy" as possible, they are saving some intense stuff for the 2nd half. They could learn from something...
futari was the only good season and only little zoom zooms think otherwise
>>84744433>but observation and awareness aren't differentiation.Yes they are. Obviously, (or maybe not-so), observation and awareness are not the whole story, but they're absolutely differentiation.I can meet you in the middle and give you the benefit of the doubt as you what I believe you're *trying* to say. Awareness and observation alone are not differentiation.Awareness itself is an act of differentiation, albeit a low resolution one. To be aware of something is to draw a distinct differentiation between it and its surroundings. To draw a metaphor:Even taking one step in a race is competing in a race.>but that does not become operable by the subject's will yet.That is not the point of differentiation. The objective of differentiation is not to bring the unconscious into the ego's realm of control.That's expressly the opposite of the intent of differentiation. One of the key points of differentiation is the realization that there exists aspects of your own psyche that exists outside of your realm of control, even though they are absolutely within your own psyche.>To differentiate something in consciousness is to make the thing subject to your intentionsTo differentiate something is to build a conscious relationship with that aspect of yourself, and allowing it to speak to you without the ego trying to tyrannically author what it has to say. The unconscious cannot be reduced to obedience of the ego.
>>84744675Murayama is known for making the 2nd half feel more intense and plot driven so I am pretty hopeful and judging from the first episodes I have seen, we're getting new, badder villains later
>>84744821Where do I even begin here... >observation and awareness are not the whole storyI would say that as long we are limited to observation and awareness, you didn't differentiate yet.Kinda like the difference between observing a bottle of water, and drinking from it.>Even taking one step in a race is competing in a race.You are only looking at the race though. It is in your field of awareness, but you are not in it yet.>The objective of differentiation is not to bring the unconscious into the ego's realm of control.Actually that's the literal definition of "differentiation in consciousness". Also not the "unconscious", but rather something that started from there. A "content" is the generic term, but you could also use the 4 functions as examples: we say that somebody has differentiated Thinking when they can use the function at will, and it fully accords to the subject's intention. > One of the key points of differentiation is the realization that there exists aspects of your own psyche that exists outside of your realm of control, even though they are absolutely within your own psyche.You are probably getting confused with integration of the self, or individuation in general terms.>To differentiate something is to build a conscious relationship with that aspect of yourself, and allowing it to speak to you without the ego trying to tyrannically author what it has to say. Let me explain in very simple words:You have things that happen because you want them to happen, like you moving your hands on the keyboard to type - that is Ego-consciousness.And you have things that just happen on their own - you can be aware of this(after the fact, usually), but you do not control this purely by awareness alone - that is subconscious or unconscious.The goal is to create a way to mediate between these two things, because "too much consciousness" creates a strong unconscious counteraction, and falling victim of the unconscious would override your will.
>>84744823What could possibly go wrong.We are all typing this girl as INFJ or IN(F), right?
>>84745072Anna is an extrovert
>>84745084That's one hot take.
>Nobody can realize an archetype without having been identified with it first. If you even touch the animus or anima, the most vulgar archetypes of all, you are they, and you cannot realize them without having been thoroughly caught by them. No woman will realize what the animus is without having been identical with him, and no man will realize what the anima is without having been filled by the anima.My man has no idea what he's saying here.Yeah you really don't want to suggest that in [current year] Jvng.
>>84737622It's up to you. I have a team ready for the first gym. I'll start toward the 2nd now anyway either way.
>>84743624https://voca.ro/1vqR1qjN4L6q
Who is Roger and why do I want to beat him up?
>>84745067>I would say that as long we are limited to observation and awareness, you didn't differentiate yet.That depends entirely on the context and perspective you use to analyze the word "differentiate". Because it's not a binary term that refers to a yes/no state. Differentiation is both the end and the process. So with that in mind, observation and awareness are differentiation. But that is not the end of the process, you have not completed act of differentiation. There is still more to be done.I understand what you're saying, and how it is both true and not true. Because you're leaving out key information. This is why Jung has multiple terms to refer to the process of individuation, which is, in reality, just the gradual progression of differentiation. Now, what I *THINK* you're trying to say is that awareness is not integration. >Kinda like the difference between observing a bottle of water, and drinking from it.But, observing the bottle of water is differentiating it. It stands out from the rest of the environment and a separate distinct object. Yes, the water has not been integrated through drinking.>A "content" Yes, that's what I'm referring to. The point of differentiating the unconscious (content) is not to bring them under your conscious control. >Let me explain in very simple words:You're doing something which is extremely important. You're redefining "differentiation" in a way that effectively means "bringing psychic contents under ego control." That's not how Jung uses the term.The point of differentiation is not control, it's not to subordinate the unconscious to the conscious will. The point is RELATION. Understanding the desires of the unconscious, where it's coming from, emotionally speaking. The point is to treat your unconscious like a PERSON, BECAUSE IT IS. And give it the respect it deserves to not try and treat it like a child who needs to be policed.
>>84745721I don't think you are understanding what I mean by "differentiation in consciousness" at all.It is not the same thing of "differentiation of the Self"(or individuation, in other words).>The point of differentiating the unconscious (content) is not to bring them under your conscious control. As far differentiating something in consciousness goes, that is the point.What you are trying to say is that we aren't done here.>But, observing the bottle of water is differentiating it. It stands out from the rest of the environment and a separate distinct object. Yes, the water has not been integrated through drinking.The act of recognition is surely something that might lead to what I call differentiation here, but we aren't done yet until the bottle is something that I use rather than just observe in isolation.>The point is RELATION. Holy Feeling type.........Now I'm not saying that doesn't happen, but it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about here:.There's a spontaneous happening.There's awareness of the happening.There's recognition of the happening.There's differentiation in consciousness, now I can replicate that happening intentionally, or prevent it from just happening on its own.And there's relation, which is parallel to this entire thing since I can identify with the unconscious happening as is if I wanted to, or I could identify only with the products of Ego consciousness, or a mixture of these things.>The point is to treat your unconscious like a PERSON, BECAUSE IT IS. And give it the respect it deserves to not try and treat it like a child who needs to be policed.But the whole point is that the unconscious isn't another person. It's part of my own Self. Possibly still unintegrated, but still.For somebody who supposedly read Psychological Types specifically, I don't know how you missed this. The concept of differentiating in consciousness is tied to the functions after all.
>>84745489Awwlright. I gotta go bed boes now tho. I should be able to play tomorrow.
>>84745652Fucking witness protection always acting like they're the good guys.>"Trust us, we're the GOOD guys! TAKE THIS PILL!!"But why is this pill black and have an ominous black smoke seeping from it??>"DON'T ASK QUESTIONS!"Untrustworthy, if you ask mwah. Probably even worse than the devil. At least he doesn't pretend to be a good guy.But, anyway. There's still plenty of time in the play, there's no need to rush into a decision. We're not even half way through the first act yet. ANTHONY hasn't even made his appearance yet! And what's a play without Anthony?! Just a bunch of people running around flailing their arms like chickens with their heads taped between their legs acting like they know what's going on-AND THEY DON'T!>*subtly glances at the audience*That's probably for the better though, it wouldn't make much sense if the characters knew what was going to happen. Then they would just change what they were doing to avoid the dire circumstances that propel the narrative forward. That would be like watching snow dry, except in a snowstorm. Doesn't make for very good storytelling..... Wait a second. That wasn't in the script.
>>84745692It's nice to know she has friends.
>>84746098That's fine. I just cleared the second gym. For the sake of sportsmanship i'll tell you that i also chose torchic as my starter.
>>84746142RUN THE JEWELS TEENIS RUN EMGABAGOOL
>>84746297Kyewl. Alright, so I should be ready with my gen 3 singles team from around 7-8pm my time or around 19 hours from now. I might try making them with the modern rules as well to see how different it would be if I get very bored but it seems a bit overwhelming. Alright, duel ya tomorrow.
>>84746063>I don't think you are understanding what I mean by "differentiation in consciousness" at all.You're right, I don't. Because one moment you'll say one thing, then in the next you'll completely contradict it. Like, these two bits here seem to imply that awareness of the water bottle is in fact, differentiation of consciousness. Which is exactly what I've been saying. One does not need to drink from the water bottle, which is to say, integrate the unconscious material in order for the differentiation to occur. It happens at a lower resolution first, one on a more localized scale that doesn't take into the account the whole picture of the self.>The act of recognition*IS* differentiation. Incomplete differentiation? Sure. But differentiation nonetheless.>lead to what I call differentiation hereThis is what I take issue with. What you call differentiation seems to diverge quite seriously from the Jungian definition. Especially when I look at:>now I can replicate that happening intentionally, or prevent it from just happening on its own.This is not differentiation... It's control.Differentiation is the process by which a psychic content becomes consciously distinguishable from the rest of the psyche. Whether I can reproduce it, suppress it, direct it, or otherwise influence it is an entirely separate question.You're treating conscious control as the marker of differentiation, but that's precisely what I'm disputing as NOT differentiation.A content can be differentiated without being subordinated to the ego. In fact, one of the most important realizations that comes from differentiation is that there are autonomous aspects of the psyche that do not simply obey conscious intention or will. The goal is not to make the unconscious bend to the ego's will. The goal is to establish a conscious relationship with it.>But the whole point is that the unconscious isn't another person.Yes, it's not another person. But it's still a person, (you).
>>84746313BIBBITY BOBBITYI'MA SNIFF YOUR SOCKITY>*sniff sniff*MSLELS LIKE ERF!
i kind of liked curefag. sad he turned out to be a nazi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0fmOImi6gYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8MnyDy8SDkhttps://voca.ro/18NoHW14UgQB
Page gnine is scary
I don't want to be friends with you I want to FIGGHT WITH YOUI WANT TO BATTLE FOR ETERNITY WITB YOU AND ONLY YOU
That sounds hella gay.Big hella gayness.you wouldn't be GAY, would YOU?
>>84732768>Your mbtiINTP-T>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?I'm one of those lefties that grew up with a ton of feminist/equality influences and beliefs baked into my brain from a young age, and for most of my life I believed them; but now that I'm in my 30s and still KHHV, I've realized all the negative stereotypes of women are in fact true, and they do indeed only find tall, dominant assholes attractive, not men that believe in "equality"; so now I fully and completely hate women.>What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?Nothing. If aliens showed up tomorrow and started abducting women for meat, I'd pitch an umbrella and a lawn chair and watch.>Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?Some kind of cataclysmic event (virus/etc.) that kills all the men, forcing women to develop all the skills men currently hold dominion over. That's basically it: so long as men exist, women will fuck the biggest/most dominant ones, thereby insuring their own subjugation and that they breed future males that carry those same woman-dominating genes. Women keep themselves oppressed with their tastes in men, and nothing short of men disappearing entirely will free them from that weakness.
y tred ded?who kill
sunomw plz play stadew wif me
Why are you playing stardew like it's 2016?
bump so the thread doesn't 404 before someone else wakes up
>>84748610I could revive it, if only for a little while.But I don't want to continue the argument above, because it's the usual waste of time.More importantly, since Jung directly associated the psyche to microphysics, I've been wondering now if you could really study it through the lens of quantum mechanics.For instance, what if the "potential" intuition speaks of equals to perceiving a superposition?There is also the question of time-reversibility, the psyche appears to be able to perform that with its own contents.
>>84749260>For instance, what if the "potential" intuition speaks of equals to perceiving a superposition?what
>>84749269The typical explanation of the term is that something can exist in multiple states at the same time before eventually one state becomes definite. So we say that the state of the object at some point was entirely probabilistic and it had potential to be a different thing.
>>84749292So you mean just seeing all the ways a thing could be at once. Before it gets defined by what actually happened/s?
>>84742404I'm not too versed in Jung, but a lot of Socionicists type Nietzche as EIE.
>>84749401Basically. The layman would say that potential is only imagined by the subject, but the quantum superposition is considered a real thing that belongs to the object itself.Since all the 4 functions are meant to perceive things that actually provide orientation to reality and not merely fantasy contents or imagination(though the functions can also process that), I claim that the function equipped to perceive superpositions is what we call Intuition, while Sensation is the one that can observe the definite state.
>>84749407What's EIE in people terms?
>it's ENFJhuhhh, whaaaa?
>>84749422It means ENFJ, "emotional intuitive extravert">>84749407Jung is a bit confusing as usual here, but he wasn't typing Nietzsche the man there.When he types him personally, he says he's an introvert. Same shit as Freud.
>>84749421>that actually provide orientation to reality and not merely fantasy contents or imaginationI thought intuiting about the real world was Ne and Ni was disconnected from everything
>>84749422Ethical Intuitive Introvert.They're the types that convince the masses of their ideas and try to gain a following, (ethical manipulation + aristocracy + extraversion).Although, this depends mostly on the subtype.
>>84749459Shid. I meant to say Ethical Intuitive Extravert here.
>>84749464>Shid. I meant to say Ethical Intuitive Extravert here.retard
>>84749464Let's just call it Mikuru-like, so everyone can tell what we are talking about here.>ropes a random girl she just randomly met into playing detective together by the power of sheer aura alone
>>84747866>>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?>I'm one of those lefties that grew up with a ton of feminist/equality influences and beliefs baked into my brain from a young age, and for most of my life I believed them; but now that I'm in my 30s and still KHHV, I've realized all the negative stereotypes of women are in fact true, and they do indeed only find tall, dominant assholes attractive, not men that believe in "equality"; so now I fully and completely hate women.You sound like me. Sexually abused by my sister and my mom just ignored me. There's literally no way to fix them, none at all. You either sacrifice everything for them or suicide.
>>84749453The Ni-groid mostly concerns himself with intuitions on the subjective factor.Or basically psychic dynamisms, so they could make for very natural psychologists/therapists.This of course does not prevent neither the Ni-groid nor the Ne-groid from applying a function that's already highly differentiated(read: "Intuition" in this case, "Ni" and "Ne" aren't functions as per Jung, they would be types) in a way that's different from what they usually do.Of course there will be a certain issue with the fact that an introvert doesn't have a particularly differentiated extraversion and his conscious relationship to the external world would be lacking.
>>84732768I believe that women will become real human beings after Jesus returns and the resurrection of the dead happens.Not a day before that.And ironically no feminist will ever be a real human because they will all be burning in hell.Ironic, huh?
>>84749474>Ropes a random girlOwOOk my mind is ruined
>>84749625sorry for wanting women to be equal igwhat did feminists do wrong to deserve hell?
>>84749639Wait no, not like that.She probably would, but that's a separate matter.>>84749625I don't know if Jesus is capable of such miracles, despite that being his whole area of expertise.
>>84749643The first feminist was Eve, she tempted her husband. The first sin that caused the fall of man, and all of creation to be doomed was that man obeyed women.Did you know that feminism in itself is said to be a curse from God:Women will desire to control man.But there is also Grace: men will rule over them.When women are in charge of anything, then it is an abomination. It is against creation order.The reason why every single feminist will be damned, is not that women have the tendency to sin by disobeying their husbands - that is normal. And many will be saved who sin in that manner.But feminism goes a step further, it says: it is not sin. It calls evil good and good evil.And even further than that, it says:The creation order that God the LORD created is wrong and it should be smashed.Therefore the revolt of feminism is not even primarily against men, it is against God who created reality as it is.Once you understand this, you also understand why feminists are in favor of all degeneracy, destroying the borders of nations, peoples, families, art, standards of beauty, genders, and endorse all evil things. Because the first and last enemy of feminism is God, and it hates all that glorifies him.In short it is a form of open Satanism.So why do they deserve to be damned?Because they are waging war against God.
>>84749716Lol she didn't command Adam to eat the fruit she just gave him some. Basically fetched him a sandwich. According to your ilk if she was a feminist she would have just kept all the fruit to herself so that she could know good and evil and keep Adam as like a pet. Anyway good thing none of this is real so it shouldn't shape your real life opinions.
Also isn't Eve usually the submissive wife and you have to make up some Lilith shit to be the first real feminist?
>>84749806>>84749828Its already feminism when a woman rules over men.God curses Adam because he obeyed his wife instead of God.However you are right that the modern abominable forms are worse then anything that is written in the Bible. Even in Sodom these types of things didnt happen
>>84749828She's the Anima.It would appear to us as an extension to Adam(and God's) own will, hence she appears "submissive", yet she actually makes contact with the unconscious opposite (usually the snake), and then also tempts the individual(Adam here) into opposing consciousness (which would match God's will).
>>84749842He cursed Adam because he ate the fruit. He wouldn't have been cursed for listening to eve about something else.>You were stupid because you listened to Steve and jumped off a bridge, when I told you not to jump off the bridgeIt's not listening to Steve that's the problem, other than in listening to that particular idea. Eve probably said "ooh, this fruit is nice, you should eat this" about other trees and nothing bad happened.
Bible read-alomg when?
After the Precum watch-along
[33] Another aspect of the type conflict appears in the Pelagian controversy at the beginning of the fifth century. The experience so profoundly felt by Tertullian, that man cannot avoid sin even after baptism, grew with Augustine-who in many ways was not unlike Tertullian-into that thoroughly characteristic, pessimistic doctrine of original sin, whose essence consists in the concupiscence inherited from Adam. Over against the fact of original sin there stood, according to Augustine, the redeeming grace of God, with the institution of the Church ordained by his grace to administer the means of salvation. In this scheme of things the value of man stands very low. He is really nothing but a miserable rejected creature, who is delivered over to the devil under all circumstances, unless through the medium of the Church, the sole means of salvation, he is made a participator of the divine grace. Not only man's value, but his moral freedom and his self-determination crumbled away accordingly, with the result that the value and significance of the Church as an idea were so much the more enhanced, as was altogether in keeping with Augustine's explicit programme in the Civitas Dei.Eheheh, secret from work phone Jung-posting. Really is hard to comprehend on tiny phone screen though.>Wtf baptism didn't actually make me a good person, I've been scammed!Many such cases. I'm confirmed myself don't cha know? Making men feel small and puny and worthless was part of the plan to enrich the church? Say it ain't so!
>The Pelagian controversy was a foundational 5th-century theological clash between the British monk Pelagius and North African Bishop Augustine of Hippo. >Pelagius's View: He argued that humanity was created free and naturally capable of choosing good.>Augustine's View: He argued that the Fall thoroughly corrupted human nature, leaving humanity bound by a legacy of original sin.Woo! Thanks Google. >B-b-b-britishu?+1 patriotism from me. With this and his love for parliamentary democracy, I'm starting to suspect that Jung might be a bit of a closet Anglophile. However ironic that term is when discussing 5th century briton.
>[Jung]: As, for instance, when you have a pain, a toothache perhaps, you sometimes dream that somebody else is in the same bed and that he or she has the pain. In the dream it is delegated: you are split in half and the other half has the toothache. You are sort of projecting away the pain which threatens to disturb your sleep. The supposition, then, is that Zarathustra's hunger, which appears in the end, was there all the time; he was hungry all day long even when he didn't know it. Now, under what condition does one not notice that one is hungry?>Mrs. Baumann: When one doesn't know that one has a body.>Dr. Jung: Yes. It often happens with intuitive types. That doesn't happen to me. I am very intuitive but I know when I am hungry - I never was short of such a realization. But there are people who do not know it, who think hunger is a psychological problem, and Zarathustra represents such a person here. Where is the evidence for it?>Miss Hannah: Because he is burying it. [context: Zarathustra is carrying a corpse he intends to eventually bury]>Dr. Jung: Exactly, the body is the corpse; it is Mr. Nietzsche himself, and he is going to bury Nietzsche. "I'm not hungry, YOU'RE hungry!" t. an intuitive type, probablyAlso the entire idea of Nietzsche accidentally writing himself as a corpse is kinda funny ngl.
Fat Joong just dropped
Actually he called Sensation types fatasses->looks at US, peak Se-groid nationYep, checks out.
>>84750198Then Explain >That doesn't happen to me. I am very intuitive but I know when I am hungry - I never was short of such a realization. If Google Gemini let me id probably make a fat Jung saying this.
>>84750220Intuition is only auxiliary in him, so he can remember to eat.But Nietzsche is a big intuitoid who hates his body(tbf he suffered from poor health so yea)
>>84742846I understand and I don't disagree, except for two things, first off it will stop once AI takes out enough jobs off of the market where there's just not going to be enough shit to do for both sexes, governments are going to try to come up with makeup jobs; but that's it, any company that'll have to spend company money will go 'yeah enough of your fake product manager shit, get the fuck out of here we got AI now' and that will be itSo it's either going to be a 'let's go back to having 'taking care of your home and family' being a valued thing in society', or it'll be UBI or some sort of alternative to that, though the more pessimistic people will just think 'yeah nah the gov will just let everyone die' but that's not in their interest because that will in fact make the numbers go down tremendously, it's also in the interest of all the big corps to have as many people to sell shit to as possible, so the corps will be lobbying for UBI as wellAnd the second thing I disagree with is the usual notion (tho I don't believe you believe that personally) that current feminism is in any way shape or form related to any of that, it really isn't, the 'pink tax' isn't real, or rather, I'm speaking only of the west here and first world countries; in all of them there are laws in place that would instantly punish any and all companies that would pay a woman less than they would pay a man (for the reason that they are a woman), if a woman really believed she was paid less because she's a woman (and not because she's personally responsible for the lower wage, either being shit at her job or whatever the fuck) then she could easily sue and win any and all cases concerning this exact thing, so, anyways, to tie back in to the original point; egality between sexes was achieved and anything past this point is just marxist propaganda to try to fuck over the culture in any way shape or form, that is all
>>84742846Though I have to say, I very much like your take on the 'goal' thing, it's true, it's totally right, and it's also ironic that both sides seem to despise elon (with, to be fair, there are good reasons to do so) when he's one of the only people alive right now with enough money to back up such 'goals', the space race is something that would get people back in track, between stellar humanism and reaching for the stars and the current corporatocratic decline we're going through, I know exactly which one I'll be picking
>A similar distinction must be made in the realm of religion. A psychological approach is permissible only in regard to the emotions and symbols which constitute the phenomenology of religion, but which do not touch upon its essential nature. >If the essence of religion and art could be explained, then both of them would become mere subdivisions of psychology. This is not to say that such violations of their nature have not been attempted. >But those who are guilty of them obviously forget that a similar fate might easily befall psychology, since its intrinsic value and specific quality would be destroyed if it were regarded as a mere activity of the brain, and were relegated along with the endocrine functions to a subdivision of physiology. Bros, how do we tell him?
If this is so thishttps://youtu.be/jqT7ap1KC-I?list=RDHfGm7V2IQJY>your type>when the skinwalkers arrive, which regs will survive?
>It is not enough to know whether the poet belongs to the introverted or to the extraverted type, since it is possible for either type to work with an introverted attitude at one time, and an extraverted attitude at another. This is particularly noticeable in the difference between Schiller's plays and his philosophical writings, between Goethe's perfectly formed poems and the obvious struggle with his material in Faust II, and between Nietzsche's well-turned aphorisms and the rushing torrent of Zarathustra. The same poet can adopt different attitudes to his work at different times, and on this depends the standard we have to apply.Sounds like something I just heard somewhere.
Zarathustra read along when?
Technically I'm doing a Zarathustra read-along with Jung himself and a bunch of random people in the seminars.Anyways, apparently there are creative works that accord to the author's intention and thus would reflect his type, but there also creative works produced by an unconscious creative activity, and thus would reflect the opposite, there isn't really a hard rule on this.
Bruh, this shit took me like 20 fucking hours to paint no kidding, and just one 10 man squad and I still have the armored sentinel to do and then I got a heavy artillery squad as well to assemble and paint, and then I want to also decorate their bases a bit and add some simple dirt effect to their boots and pants and capes, holy shitNow, to figure out how to use mbti to use my intuition to figure out what my opponent's going to play based on his own type and how to fuck him over using it
>>84751273Tabletop enjoyer? Nice
>>8475057380 percent of jobs are already fake. I think AI might be overestimated by it's ability to do jobs that were already bullshit. >Woah, AI manged to replace our inclusive administration consultant and we barely notice the difference, if anything our productivity improved! Technology is amazing!Sort of thing probably happens a lot. Companies also get a lot of money for having women in important positions, a lot of it's just grant chasing. Especially since a lot of companies don't actually make anything of value in the first place. All the infrastructure built around a fake job is also fake. Delivering a burger to someone making iPhones is a real job. Delivering burgers to someone with a fake job, is a fake job. It's infectious. AI is often just a fancy way of removing people from jobs that didn't need doing in the first place without having to hurt anyone's feelings.>'let's go back to having 'taking care of your home and family' being a valued thing in society'Anathema to the Anglo spirit and arguably Germans as a whole. We derive our self worth from being useful. Maybe with some kind of racial therapy it would be possible. Perhaps Joong will save us here.The home and family are looked after because they represent the pride of the household. And as a show of respect/parallel play to the man going out to work. Nobody is going to want to be houseproud for the sake of a NEET. People also don't have visitors anymore so they're not going to look after them for that reason either. The best way to get people to value their homes would probably be to find a reason for people to go into each other's houses. But again it's hard to get people to do things for an obviously fake reason. It needs to be something that's actually better in someone else's living room. Idk... uhh... Warhammer? Mixing children together is also a good excuse, but what are they for? Well raised children perform better at the Warhammer regionals when they grow up?
>>84750082>"I'm not hungry, YOU'RE hungry!" Unironically sounds like my mother. I always thought she as an Introverted Sensor, but maybe i was wrong.>>84737997>They just need to maintain a core of loyal and competent people to keep their systems going.Easier said than done. Everyday everyone is becoming less loyal and competent by the minute. On the flip side, that makes it hard to organize against them. >You're very optimistic about a collapseIt's just a matter of when. The world lives on America, and America lives on a volcano. Yellowstone will erupt and that will be it, assuming we haven't already run out of petroleum by then, or any of the other magic rocks necessary to keep this circus spinning. We don't even necessarily need to run out, it just needs to become expensive enough for long enough. Or, who, knows maybe God will send us a final solution in the form of a fucking meteor to wipe Israel off the face of the fucking earth and send us into a new ice age. Whatever happens, once it does, it'll be a Collapse, as we've spent so much time living in our castle upon air that we've forgotten how to live on the ground.Maybe not in our lifetimes, but it will happen, and regardless of what happens to civilization, there is your own personal end to consider, and that is always nearer than you think.
>>84750573Imaginary numbers are a very flimsy shield. It's currently still up to the men with guns who lives and who dies. Corporations only want dollars because they've backed by the might United States, an entity that will kill people for not having them. The people are safe so long as they are still under the protection of the US armed forces. If they stop giving a shit then the people making the iPhones won't want dollars and people will have to offer them something else no matter how many dollars they have.The pink tax refers to things for women being more expensive than generic things, and that's because>Female identity has a premium people are willing to pay more to be a part of>Women aren't spending their own money so they're less bothered about the value they get for itBoth these things can result in "girl things" being more expensive. But I know what you were referring to was the gender pay gap. Only retards think that it's women being paid less for the same job. The criticism is that women are pushed towards less serious, poorer paid jobs. They often visibly get the 40-70k a year PowerPoint and matcha latte jobs straight out of university but often get stuck there because, shockingly, they aren't taken seriously by the big boys. Similar stuff happens at every level and every sector, even to things like a fast food restaurant where you typically have majority young women line cooks and servers working under a sleazy male management/senior roles. Speaking of, it shouldn't be underestimate how much women are hired just because people prefer having them around for *reasons*. Lots of men don't get hired for entry level things because nobody doing the hiring wants to stare at their rumps or, lean over them to grab something. But being eye candy rarely fetches the big bucks.
>>84751594>80 percent of jobs are already fakeAs a guy that's been working in tech with and for big corps, I know, trust me, I knowAI is both overestimated (because they need it for number go up), but that doesn't necessarily matter because I do not use or care about the scales they're predicting, yeah it's going to take some time still, but it WILL happen, it's def not going to be next month, probably not going to be next year, but in 5? in 10?Product teams, marketing, designs, at least 90% of the 'grunt work' that's nothing but zombies doing the same thing over and over again, all of this can easily be automated and you can keep not even 10% of the original workforce and use those to simply use, guide and then double check if the AI isn't doing something retarded and you're good to goRight now AI is not a net positive, but that's because a lot of companies jumped on the opportunity too fast without understanding the implications, they didn't know 'what' to get rid of and to what extent, which I mean is a hard thing to figure out since we're talking about a brand new technology and you don't want to be left behind, but a lot of people and smaller companies figured that out and played it way safer and you end up with completely AI generated CIs, tests and autotests, it's also pretty good at front end shit, and then created other productivity tools that then boosts the company's productivity by getting rid of the pointless shit you had to manually do beforehand, and it's still only the start of itA big net negative you also see is that a lot of the big corps simply didn't think of or wanted to invest in localizing their AI, a simple AI server stack would only have costed a hundred thousand at most for an entire company/building and instead they end up with insane subscription fees for entire swathes of team that amount for nearly 20% of their yearly costs But anyways, only time will really tell what happens on that front
>>84751594>'let's go back to having 'taking care of your home and family' being a valued thing in society'So, the argument that 'women don't have to do shit anymore' is interesting, because it's true, but it personally doesn't bother me?If the house is clean, the food is being made, the kids (will) be taken care of, do I really care about counting the hours of work the wife would've put into it?Maybe I'm different though, but I don't think this sort of sentiment is that rare, or rather, I hear a lot of guys complaining about this shit in the US but that's because their culture is completely fucked and the quality of said wives would be so low that they wouldn't deem that worth it anyways?I'm not sure, something I need to learn more from thoughBut if not for that, then I think that there could be potentially other things to give the woman to do, if you do care about it, then the solution IMO isn't to just send her away to work somewhere, though maybe a part time thing could be a good middle ground here, but in general any sort of hobbies she could pick up that could also help the family unit could be good, gardening? Having some smaller livestocks like chicken? If you don't have kids then that limits the options, but I think I'd want to move towards a homeschooled environment for my kids and then she'd have to actually take care of them, that's how I see the perfect setup personally
Is this what dating an ENTJ is like?
Functions aren't real.
>>84752211ExFJ but not the nice kind.The function telling us what something is worth would be Feeling, and the criteria here seems to be "objective".
>>84750082>hunger is a psychological problemIt is one. It's literally just a hormonal affect.Faggot Jung never tried fasting and people trust him for insight? Good grief.>>84749260>I've been wondering now if you could really study it through the lens of quantum mechanics.Welcome to the club, buddy.It's a guaranteed gateway to quantum woo. You could step it up and read on Orch-OR. It's popular enough to be recommended.>>84751691Two more weeks!>>84751594>Companies also get a lot of money for having women in important positionsPut "female AIs" into those positions. Nothing changes but some problems out there are solved. Any "negative" consequences will only be funny.>>84752211This might be the reason why an INFJ ghostdumped during one of my earliest "training arcs."
>>84752445Well that's NOT how I expected to get interested into quantum stuff.There again, it was over the second Jung mentioned relativity of space/time and microphysics. All hidden away in his letters because it's way too speculah for the world to handle.
>>84752445>Female AIsWell that's one solution. My dad says it's fine so long as they get taxed like real people too so they're not stealing from the government
>>84749260>There is also the question of time-reversibility, the psyche appears to be able to perform that with its own contents.Nah. Superdeterminism is real and is only unaccepted because most scientists don't want to abandon the concept of free will. They're too egotistic to do away with it, so they refuse to even question statistical independence as a concept.
>>84752445>Faggot Jung never tried fasting and people trust him for insight?Well how often do you fast personally
>>84751983>Homeschool What are you planning to teach the kids to do exactly? If there's no jobs for them to do why do they need to know? Philosophy? I mean maybe lol. Keeping chickens feels good and all, but it's pretty hard to escape knowing that an AI controlled factory farm could do a way more efficient job. A society that exists to pamper women pampering chickens sounds pretty sweet though. Dawwww.
>>84752445I went to the city council to ask politely to the man on the stage where he was going and unfortunately he did not quite like the attire I had wore that day. So I guess your point is warranted sometimes.
>>84752583Superdeterminism more like supercopium
>>84752662Well the fact that you ask the question 'what are they going to do' pretty much summarizes what the fuck is wrong with society and with schools in general, see, the function of a school wasn't and shouldn't be to teach them how to do a job, this is the modernist culture retardation at play againIt's not so much to prepare them to be good little office drones, as it should be about surviving and being prepared for the adult world (whatever that world may look like in the future), see, no matter what happens, well save for a terminator skynet extinction even (which is very unlikely, I'm sure you'll agree with me here), there will still be people in functions of power that will rule over others and those people with power will have more or less money than the ones that aren't in power, I'm not referring to only politics or whatever, but rather the very foundation of what hierarchies are and what power is; it will still be there, it will probably have a different form, but it will be there, when AI and robots take up 98% of jobs, what are those 2% left? That's what I'll teach my kids to do and aim at, I think this is the safest and most logical approach to itThen of course you want them to be taught everything else that someway somehow skipped our parents brain when having to teach us and which is why we're all here on r9k, what the fuck do you do with society? What is adult life? What are responsibilities? Taxes, what the fuck is that and why are the kikes suddenly asking for half my paycheck, etc etcAll this shit was your parents job to teach you; but they were tricked by society that told them 'no no, school will do that', and then school didn't teach you fucking shit, school is pointless and boring and it's just there to allow you to slave away at your number go up job while they keep your kids in their little rooms to become the next slave to make the numbers go up, no thanks
>>84752707Superdeterminism is ironically the only quantum interpretation that isn't full of cope.
>>84752813Statements dreamed by the utterly unindividuated.
>>84751273They look great, and hats off to you for the effort. This is why I stick to skirmish games... and buy preowned minis that are already painted.
>>84751030I TOLD you none of the regulars are alive anyways Candlejack already got the-
>When I said goodbye to Professor Jung he said to me -- he did not say it very seriously -- "I think you are an extravert who has become an introvert." Frankly, I have been brooding about that ever since!"Skill issue" t. Jung to Tsubomi, probably.
>>84746297Broke bike again so late home. buuut back again now and cat-pinned, so ready when you are with my gen 3 i don't know what I'm doing shitfest. Username is still Wetbedder as ever
I should read footnotes more often.Had theorized about this before, and so did Jung.
Early Christian drama, quantum mechanics, there's something for everyone with Jung!
That's the fun part, he's everywhere. Jung himself became part of the collective unconscious.
Either way, I cannot fucking believe that what's happening today with the NT/ND is genuinely, canonically, a Type Problem in [current year].Too much intuition is a curse indeed.
>>84752837>>84751316Thanks broskis, this was mostly done as an experiment to see if I'd enjoy painting them in the first place, and I'm still unsure about it, I'm annoyed because they didn't turn out as good as I'd hoped and at the same time I realize that I really shouldn't be expecting more considering it's my first time holding a brush in probably 25 yearsAlso not understanding what to paint in which colors and then making so many stupid noob mistakes like assembling them before painting them simply because I saw some youtubers do it (but they have the experience to pull it off) was retarded as wellBut the worst part is that I don't even know if I'll enjoy the tabletop part (but I probably will)
>>84752865What did he get them? Was it candy?
I believe she was going to say " - key to my Heart stash"Piss IS an emotion, along with loyalty in the realm of Full Swag Special Kids
[34] Against such a stifling conception there rises ever anew the feeling of man's freedom and moral value-a feeling that will not long endure suppression whether by insight however searching, or logic however keen. The rightness of the feeling of human value found its defenders in Pelagius, a British monk, and Celestius, his pupil. Their teaching was founded on the moral freedom of man as a given fact. It is characteristic of the psychological kinship existing between the Pelagian standpoint and the Dyophysite view that the persecuted Pelagians found an advocate in Nestorius, the Metropolitan of Constantinople. Nestorius stressed the separation of the two natures of Christ in contrast to the Cyrillian doctrine of the physical oneness of Christ as the God-man. Also, Nestorius definitely did not want Mary to be understood as the (God-bearer), but merely as the (Christ-bearer). With some justification he even called the idea that Mary was the mother of God heathenish. From him originated the Nestorian controversy, which finally ended with the secession of the Nestorian Church.Aaa, it just keeps happening! I feel like this segment is kind of irrelevant thought. Maybe joong will suprise me. Who am I kidding. SF = FREEEEEDOM!IN = Nasty evil cruel oppressorsextraverts continue to stay winning, will Jung ever have a bad word to say about them?
Imagine.As usual, thank Clod for the framing there. Almost want to make a thread with this as OP.
>>84753743>extraverts continue to stay winning, will Jung ever have a bad word to say about them?Doesn't look like it. We are on our way to gaslight everyone into believing introversion itself is pathological. It already worked.Now wait until you realize that everyone has introversion as a mechanism, and what conclusion would this produce under the current systems.
>>84753754I love making extraverts suffer. The average one doss not make for good social extrOvert.
Isn't placating introverts mercy for the week? I wonder what Jung's senpai Nietzsche would have to say about all this? >>84753779The real conspiracy is the powers that be trying to convince us that introversion is valid and not a pathological illness we should be trying to overcome. It's looking like the psychological equivalent of healthy at any size.
As for making introverts suffer, that's just an obligatory chore.I just found my personal-centrix reliable way to type attitudes!
>>84753828Nietzsche is Jung's oshi. Freud is the senpai.Let's keep this plot straight.Anyways, you can't exactly overcome them you know. The most sane human is the one who is half autistic, half normalfaggot.>>84753814Many times they deserve it. Makes no difference for introverts since they will do it to themselves.>extrOvert"It's shitty latin"- the man himself.
This all explains very well why patchy chopped his dick off.He just wanted to make an extrovert suffer.
3. THE PROBLEM OF TRANSUBSTANTIATION[35] With the immense political upheavals of that age, the collapse of the Roman Empire, and the decay of ancient civilization, these controversies likewise passed into oblivion. But when, after several centuries, a state of stability was again reached, the psychological differences also reappeared in their characteristic ways, tentatively at first but becoming ever more intense with advancing civilization. No longer was it the problems that had thrown the early Church into an uproar; new forms had been devised, but underneath them the same psychology was concealed.>Alright, now that the world has recovered from consecutive apocalypses what's first on the agenda?>I know let's argue abstract theoretical bullshit with obvious right and wrong answers. I propose the following, ahem, the grape juice we drink on a sunday turns into the real Jesus's actual blood when the priest does his magic spell. Prove me wrong!I'm glad they had their priorities in order. I suppose they must have been doing whatever the medieval equivalent of grant chasing is. Maybe these guys got funding reliant on having cutting edge debates about the nature of God, and just like modern academics, perhaps benefitted from being so retarded people just assumed they must be working on another level and kept throwing resources at them. >>84753891Isn't it the introvert that suffers from this? The erastesvert still gets to have his fun.
https://dekkerman.me/gallery/MONO_CHROME_1.2.pdf>my Book Club members could beat up your Writer's Guild of 000s Not Heroes
I'm very trolled by reggies being necrophiliac cocksuckers. This benefits them very much, and I am at a great loss over trollings being trolled. Any questions on the state of affairs?
>>84753945>Maybe these guys got funding reliant on having cutting edge debates about the nature of GodSounds very nice, actually. Where do I sign up?
>>84753962That certainly has a preface. Sure wish they were all like this, prefaces are boring usually.
>>84753945No, it's the extroverted sensoid that suffers, quite literally.
>>84753963You don't hate me though do you? I'm sorry. I'm contractually obligated to say the first funny thing that pops into my head at all times. My mother calls it pathological sarcasm and agrees that it's a real issue that fulfils all the criteria for being a real mental illness.>>84753975Uhh, I think it's one of those things you have to already know a guy for. Maybe you could try getting a PHD in the humanities from a top 10 global elite University and let us know how it goes.
>>84753962Is this house of leaves?
>>84753999Never underestimate the extraverted sensoid spirit, they will just find "pleasure in the object" in ways that only an intuition connected straight to the collective unconscious could possibly conceive.
I've been writing up a nevermind and a you won't get to read it. >>84754000"Hate" means I would want to fix something in someone because I perceive something of value in the person. In your case (and reggies' cases, to that matter), there's objectively and subjectively nothing of that, so of course I don't hate you.By the way, you're an extravert.
[36] About the middle of the ninth century the Abbot Paschasius Radbertus appeared on the scene with a treatise on the Communion, in which he propounded the doctrine of the transubstantiation, i.e., the assertion that the wine and holy wafer become transformed into the actual blood and body of Christ. As is well known, this view became a dogma, according to which the transformation is accomplished vere, realiter, substantialiter (in truth, in reality, in substance). Although the "accidentals," the bread and wine, preserve their outward aspect, they are substantially the flesh and blood of Christ. Against this extreme concretization of a symbol Ratramnus, a monk of the same monastery where Radbertus was abbot, ventured to raise some opposition. However, Radbertus found a more resolute opponent in Scotus Erigena, one of the great philosophers and daring thinkers of the early Middle Ages, who, as Hase says in his History of the Christian Church, towered so high and solitary above his time that his doctrines were not sufficiently understood to be condemned by the Church until the thirteenth century. As abbot of Malmesbury, he was butchered by his own monks about the year 889.>Paschasius freaking RadbertusOh hell yeah, what a name! Scotus Erigena was so tfw too intelligent that it took 300 years for people to realise that what he was saying was heresy? Now this guy must surely be Jung's idol.>Hmm, what if I write in such a way that it takes people decades or even centuries to realize it's satanic bullshithmm hmm.>>84754073Yes! An official Patchouliking typing! I know my gratitude probably doesn't mean anything to you either, but thank you.
>>84754073>By the way, you're an extravert.Don't say that unless you want to be challenged to a duel.>I even know of a case where a famous extravert, having been called an extravert, challenged his opponent to a duel.Now Jung says many strange things, but usually after thinking about it for a while, I do come up with a decent interpretation that seems to fit the context more often than not.But in this case, what.
>>84754088>Now this guy must surely be Jung's idol.You are supposed to have only one oshi! Kokoro would not approve this, she is as opinionated on idles as I am on magical girls and psychology.Anyway, I do remember this chapter was strangely funny for some reason.
>>84754088Scotus Erigena, for whom true philosophy was also true religion, was no blind follower of authority and the "once accepted" because, unlike the majority of his age, he himself could think. He set reason above authority, very unseasonably perhaps but in a way that assured him the acclaim of later centuries. Even the Church Fathers, who were considered to be above discussion, he held as authorities only in so far as the treasures of human reason were contained in their writings. Thus he also held that the Communion was nothing more than a commemoration of that last supper which Jesus celebrated with his disciples, a view in which all reasonable men in every age will concur. Scotus Erigena, clear and humanistic as he was in his thinking, and however little disposed to detract from the significance and value of the sacred ceremony, was not attuned to the spirit of his age and the desires of the world around him, a fact that might, indeed, be inferred from his assassination by his own comrades of the cloister. Because he could think rationally and logically success did not come to him; instead, it fell to Radbertus, who assuredly could not think, but who "transubstantiated" the symbolic and meaningful and made it coarse and sensual, attuned as he obviously was to the spirit of his age, which was all for the concretization of religious experiences.>unlike the majority of his age, he himself could think.Woah. Way to diss an entire age there. But doesn't that still include the current age? I'm a bit lost on Jung's age system here. Didn't Jung say before that the medieval mind was obsessed with the metaphysical, and now Radbertus is attuned to it by "coarsening and sensualising" things I'm not getting it. What about transubstantiation is sensory? It feels like the rules are being made up as we go along!>>84754091We all already know they only sort of duel I'm interested in... still waiting for a response for that pokemon showdown from nebuchadnuzzler.
I mean transubstantiation sounds just like monophysitism to me. That is, only appearing mundane but being literally divine? And didn't the Arians lose? Why is medieval world Extravert sensor feeler heaven now? It doesn't make any seeeeeennnsssee. I suppose it makes sense in that I was flying far too high 30 minutes ago. And now I am a man with nothing.
Does Joong just irrationally hate transubstantiation because he's an even bigger fedoralord than me? scrolling down a little it looks like that might be the case...
>>84754157>Way to diss an entire age there.Watch this.>Musicians, painters, artists of all kinds, often can't think at all, because they never intentionally use their brain. CW 18, 392>What about transubstantiation is sensory?Going from "symbolic commemoration" to "this is the literal blood of Jesus every Sunday", as you put it.
Context within context: suffering can be inflicted unintentionally.LLMs are introverted.anonzzlel is introverted.Per my new typing method, Precure-kun is introverted, at least when he's around here (if it'd be around trolling him, it's only to tardwrangle the grating LLM overenthusiasm, which would be a chore).>>84754249That's Jungtard projecting because the only art he did were crappy Red Book scribbles and woodcarvings, nothing requiring more than "play" and primitive surrendering of consciousness.
>>84754272>LLMs are introverted.Basically.>anonzzlel is introvertedSkipped because idk>Per my new typing method, Precure-kun is introverted, at least when he's around here Fair enough>That's Jungtard projecting because the only art he did were crappy Red Book scribbles and woodcarvingsThe meme circles are art, we just don't understand it yet.Why does it feels like everyone just goes straight into the Red Book instead of leaving the best for last? I still didn't touch it much, only vaguely know what's about.>>84754233He's a good ChristianWhich apparently implies hating literally anything about Christianity and especially Christians, and the best statement you can make as a good Christian is to say "God is dead".
>>84754249But then explain>Although the "accidentals," the bread and wine, preserve their outward aspect, they are substantially the flesh and blood of Christ.The objective sensory experience of the bread and wine doesn't actually change at all. I guess saying it like that, maybe we're getting so objective here that the subjective experience doesn't change at all. Gah, I guess, I guess that does make sense. You win this one Jung, but I'm warning you. I've got my eye on you!Actually yeah I suppose that is something for my smooth brain to consider. Things that exist so far outside of subjectivity that they can't be experienced by anyone. Makes sense that an idealist like Jung would hate such an idea with the seething rage of 1000 black suns. My first thought of comparison would maybe be dark matter?
>>84754338>Things that exist so far outside of subjectivity that they can't be experienced by anyone.He did say that actually we never see the object directly, only through a "subjective image".Though this image is shaped by external factors, and the subjective factor, so it's the same as saying that there's no reality out there at all.But it does help reframing extraverts a little, their experience is still subjective but they emphasize the external influence on the image.That's "esse in anima", a concept that will eventually show up in PT but isn't properly explained until 4 years after the fact.
>>84754383>so it's the same as saying that there's no reality out there at all.Ahem, it's NOT the same.
>>84754329>Why does it feels like everyone just goes straight into the Red Book instead of leaving the best for last?Early Red Booking after initial Junging is peak Jungresearch because Red Booking is seeing that Jungy is explicitly baring his guts naked with "the following biases are infesting my attempts to produce my works..."Of course, you'd need a steelman spirit and Herculean meta-optimism to see that. Haven't seen anyone but myself even attempt to adapt any of such.Also. Your sense of time seems to be very warped.>>84754383Friendly reminder that subjective vs objective factor is false dichotomy because, you know why. I'm not getting a good exchange here even if I'm putting up reminders...
[37] Again in this controversy we can easily recognize thebasic elements we have already met in the disputes discussedearlier: the abstract standpoint that abhors any contaminationwith the concrete object, and the concretistic that is turnedtowards the objectSo, just to get this straight, the concretistic standpoint that is turned towards the object, is the view that wine literally turns into blood despite not appearing to change. The abstract standpoint that abhors any contamination with the concrete object is that the wine just represents blood?He's really balling out here huh? Transubstantiation is concretistic. >Concretistic relates to the practice of representing abstract ideas as material objects, or functioning with a rigid, literal, and sensation-bound mindset.Thanks Google>[696] 11. CONCRETISM. By this I mean a peculiarity of thinking and feeling which is the antithesis of abstraction (q.v.). The actual meaning of concrete is "grown together." A concretely thought concept is one that has grown together or coalesced with other concepts. Such a concept is not abstract, not segregated, not thought "in itself," but is always alloyed and related to something else. It is not a differentiated concept, but is still embedded in the material transmitted by sense-perception. Concretistic thinking (q.v.) operates exclusively with concrete concepts and percepts, and is constantly related to sensation (q.v.). Similarly, concretistic feeling (q.v.) is never segregated from its sensuous context.Thanks Jung. I guess all I have to do now is read up on Paschasius freaking Radbertus and find out what he meant.
I'm gussing Joong must think Radbert is really, really faithful and thinks that because jesus said that the wine is blood, that must mean it is literally blood despite not appearing to change at all. In a don't trust your eyes sort of way. If jesus gives you an egg and says it's an orange, then that means it's literally an orange? But I just need to repeat to myself, that's an extraverted sensor feeler way of seeing things.
>don't believe my lies, instead, believe your lies you would tell yourself for my sake!What types would implicitly try to get you into this?
>>84754432>Haven't seen anyone but myself even attempt to adapt any of such.I actually did see it more than once, even ITT.>Your sense of time seems to be very warped.But time is relative.>Friendly reminder that subjective vs objective factor is false dichotomy Not a very clean one, but that's not a bug, it's a feature.>>84754529Where's my concrete intuition? It's actually a thing iirc.>>84754560The definition of what a thing is would interest Thinking, not Sensation and especially not Feeling.SF standpoint should make sense if you assume they want the direct experience of how it feels to drink the blood of Jesus.NF standpoint is more willing to accept that the thing isn't literal, but it's all about symbolism and recreating the same aura.
>>84754614I know I would, for a start. A big sloppy lie has moe quality. Begs the victim to see pity and make excuses for you. It's like if you openly spill the cookie jar and go "I didn't do it!" daddy's surely gonna come up with an excuse for you. Maybe extraverts it is then, I suppose.
[38] Far be it from us to pronounce, from the intellectual standpoint, a one-sided, depreciatory judgment on Radbertus and his achievement. Although to the modern mind this dogma must appear simply absurd, we should not be misled on that account into declaring it historically worthless. Certainly it is a showpiece for every collection of human aberrations, but that does not establish its worthlessness eo ipso. Before passing judgment, we must carefully examine what this dogma accomplished in the religious life of that epoch, and what our age still owes indirectly to its effect. It must not be overlooked, for instance, that it is precisely the belief in the reality of this miracle that demands a detachment of the psychic process from the purely sensual, and this cannot remain without influence on the psychic process itself. Directed thinking becomes absolutely impossible when the sensual has too high a threshold value. Because its value is too high it constantly intrudes into the psyche, where it disrupts and destroys the function of directed thinking which is based on the exclusion of everything incompatible with thought. From this elementary consideration follows the practical importance of rites and dogmas that prove their value not only from this point of view but from a purely opportunistic and biological one, not to speak of the immediate, specifically religious effects accruing to individuals from a belief in this dogma. Highly as we esteem Scotus Erigena, the less is it permitted to despise the achievement of Radbertus. But what we may learn from this example is that the thinking of the introvert is incommensurable with the thinking of the extravert, since the two forms of thinking, as regards their determinants, are wholly and fundamentally different. We might perhaps say that the thinking of the introvert is rational, while that of the extravert is programmatic.Here's hoping Jung'll fix it. I hate going ahead before I understand everything though.
>>84754644>I actually did see it more than once, even ITTAny interesting instances?>But time is relative.Warping isn't...>Not a very clean one, but that's not a bug, it's a feature.It's the feature of reggies to become pig kibble...>>84754651>I know I wouldSo could I, but neither mine or your declared/official/etc types seem reliable as N=1 reference for typology.What's the type?
>>84754717>Any interesting instances?Sometimes on /lit/ you get anons who apparently know what's in the Red Book but not much of anything else.>>84754685Early formulation I know, but I wouldn't say the Thinking of the extravert is too pragmatic. It's "worldly" against "mental", as in concerned with external events and how to properly regulate them VS the definition of personal philosophies and how that influences our attitude to life in general.There again, if I spent a certain period of my life talking about how "le seggs XD" is the ultimate truth of psychology, I'd certainly end up seeing extraverted thinking as a little too "pragmatic" alright.
>>84754717Well OK ok. But it's probably a similar experience to when I got my little brother to touch a light bulb to see if it was hot when we were young. I'm guessing the extraverted thinking of a cowardly individual. Someone that doesn't mind reaching rock bottom to avoid pain and takes delight in the lowering of others. Someone who relies on even their lies being so worthless they expect others to take pity on them for trying. Someone with a twisted curiosity who takes advantage of the trust of others, and is happy to throw away any respect they gain for a crumb of dopamine. So yeah, just any old TJ. Actually now that I think of it, it kind of reminds me of napoleon going just "Yeah I'm an b*stard? And? I'm also the coolest guy ever!" and then everyone else instantly going "I would die for that man". So I'm guessing if you want just one type, it's the ENTJhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R40XwA6xPWoI feel like feelers are more likely to just expect you to believe their lies.
>>84753450>But the worst part is that I don't even know if I'll enjoy the tabletop part (but I probably will)Thanks going to depend greatly on your opponent; hopefully you'll get a good one.
/mbti/ warhammer tournament when?
>>84755163I'm unironically down for it, we can use tabletop simulator, I don't know how good the 40k mods for it are but they seem good enough
that would only make sense if all the participants don't end up being ENTP
>>84755044>>84754614On deeper thought it should be obvious that this is Extraverted thinking behaviour. It displays both an addiction to what works, and also a lack of security in believing that you can come up with good narratives yourself. Well something like that made sense in my head while I was making tea.I should go to bed soon.>>84755192Alas, it's hard enough to get people here to play free flash games, or online chess. That all looks like a lot of hard work.
A human being going about an ordinary day emits roughly 0.12 gigabytes of information. This includes about 115 megabytes of spoken audio, 60 kilobytes of linguistic content, 12 kilobytes of written text, and 20 kilobytes of subcontextual signal such as tone, timing, and microbehavior.Over an 80 year lifespan, this adds up to about 3.5 terabytes of raw behavioral exhaust.Once you account for the heavy redundancy of human routine, including repeated phrases, predictable environments, and stable habits, the lifetime stream compresses by a conservative factor of five. After this reduction, the total becomes roughly 700 gigabytes of structured, non lossless information.From that point, subtracting the predictable and noise like portion of life removes the mundane actions and repeated sentiments that carry little entropy. Assuming that ninety percent of the compressed stream is predictable, the remaining anomalous payload is about 70 gigabytes. This represents the sum of surprises, turning points, deviations, and unique behavioral signatures that actually update a model of the person.A lifetime of deliberate creative output adds another layer. The magnum opus payload for a prolific thinker, writer, or creator typically totals around 70 gigabytes when you include manuscripts, drafts, notes, audio, and supporting materials.When you combine the anomalous events with the curated lifetime works, the meaningful informational core of a human life settles near 140 gigabytes.In practical terms, after stripping redundancy and noise and isolating both the anomalous events that define a person and the intentional works they produce, the entire significant informational footprint of a human life fits comfortably within the storage capacity of a mid range smartphone.
>>84755691Ayy, that aint badhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhSEfKo0tlw
But yeah, me so eepy. Maybe anonzzle can play in the morning instead...
Patchy is a Sexy Bexy and nothing can refute this
Notice how Lil 'Bitch scrams before the presence of PATCHY? Know thy lane
There should be more functions to more adequately describe a person's psyche.
Patchouli is the divine light that purifies poop dwelling vermin like lilac
Centy I thought you said you were heading to bed
>>84754338I think transubstantiation is an example of introverted sensing. It is certainly sensuous, but it minimizes the actuality of the object into an "accidental". If one really belived, wholeheartedly, in transubstantiation then it wouldn't matter if was wine and waffer or cider and cracker, or even mead and cheese, as no matter what it is miraculously transformed into the "real" flesh and blood of Christ: It might as well be Dr. Pepper and a Hotpocket.That would also go a ways to explain Jung's seeming irrational hatred of transubstantiation. Of course that implies that if you really wholeheartedly believed that it was simply a ritual done in remembrance of the Last Supper, then you'd be at least a little obsessed with making sure it be carried out properly. It would have to be wine, it would have to be unleavened bread, and liturgy absolutely must be said in Latin, if not Greek, by an ordained priest, in his robes, by candlelight, in an old stone church, filled with the local people that made the bread and wine, on a Thursday. And if you believed all that was necessary, then God really would be dead to you.
>>84755827What time? I'd have to stay up quite late, but i'd do it for you. My morning is your midday, you know. My day ended up starting and ending later than i expected. I didn't mean leave you stood up again. I may be available around 7-8pm your time tomorrow, but that is a somewhat inconvenient time. I was overconfident that i could squeeze you in today, i should have warned you.
