hunter x hunter ruined basic ass shounen anime for meI can no longer watch stuff like naruto, mha, whatever without cringing at how formulaic they are
>>84741074Sorry loser, I don't watch anime, I watch 2000s sitcoms.
>>84741074>slop ruined other slop for meOh no, OP, that's so sad. :(
>>84741261>le reddit word
Do you like Ranking of Kings?
>>84741314wtf? I was about to recommend that and Mob Psycho
>>84741326What about Made in Abyss?
>naruto, mha, whatever without cringing at how formulaic they areTo be fair to Naruto, it basically created the formula that every shonen after it copied. Especially MHA.
>>84741314>>84741326>>84741345none of them are shounen in a way hxh is tho. the only shounen shounen i could recommend is maybe FMA.
Hh is also formuleic just also boring on top of that.I wonder what to actually fun and fantastical shounen like soul eater and fairy tail. Only one piece remains. All shounen nowadays is modernityslop, I don't fucking watch anime to look at this gross shitass world.
>>84741386>it basically created the formulaand what would that formula be? I'd argue it's Dragon Ball that laid a foundation for shounen genre.
>>84741409Rooster Fighter is based.
>>84741345Made In Abyss is stellar, but it's not *at all* shonen. Beyond a smattering of a few surface-level elements>whistle ranking system for Delvers>Reg's amnesia>"I wanna do the thing nobody's done before>short training arc with Ozenthere's really no shonen "formula" like OP mentioned. There's no tournament arc, no "I wanna be King of the Abyss," no rival character, and generally no shonen tone to it. Made In Abyss's story is, by its very nature, unique in how linear and constrained it is. Every step matters. You're not going 10 meters back the same way you came. The environment is utterly hostile. Every step matters. Stopping to bathe or take a shit or set up the cookware matters. It's slow and quiet a lot of the times, and when action happens, it's consequential. There's not so much HYPE AND AURA. Again, MIA is 10/10, probably the best IP produced in a decade, but it's really far from being a shonen recommendation.
>>84741409FMA is a series that simply understands its own "power system" well. Other series trip over themselves to retroactively explain what FMA does elegantly.
>>84741433Dragonball had a diverse enough cast, but Naruto is the series that normalized having large "classes" of cohorts as well as the "squad" structure. The characters archetypes can also be pinned down between series, and the viewer can immediately know what their role will be.Naruto wants to be king ninja to prove himself and the world is against him.Deku wants to be king hero.Bakugo is his Sasuke, Uraraka is the Sakura (she doesn't do anything except for being the team girl). Gran Torino is Deku's Jiraiya. Eraser Head is the Kakashi.The same dynamics exists in every shonen, they're shuffled around but they hit all the same beats.In JJK you have the same thing with the Yuji being Naruto, Megumi as Sasuke, and Nobara being Sakura (she even says "I'm the team girl" when first introduced.) Gojo obviously being a Kakashi.Dragonball did pave the way for modern shonen, as did First of the North Star and Saint Saiya, but no other Shonen has been as influential as Naruto in terms of other anime straight up reskinning the series.Of course, the biggest influences on modern anime would be the big 3; Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece. With the majority of slop coming out after those three being various amalgamations of those three.
>>84741450You're specifically talking about battle shonen, which are all derivative. But if you're reading the manga, the story is definitely trending in that direction.
>>84741545I'm all caught up on the manga and legit don't know what to make of this new arc. Hyped about clawbot. Suspicious of Srajo every time Fapper side-eyes her.>>84741526There are elements of truth to rhis echoed in series like MHA.
>>84741577It's pretty obvious that Reg is going to go super saiyan 2 at some point and fight his sister.
>>84741345i want ozen to pulverize my hips.>b-but s-she's a lesbia-don't care, didn't ask, not in my world, fuck off nigger
>>84741598I dunno if a power-up and battle makes it shonen-esque, though. Let's call a spade a spade. Made In Abyss started as a webcomic hosted by the kinds of places that host guro and smut, the manga has been wrapped in plastic since like volume 7, it got localized by Seven Seas of all outlets, and Toonami gave both seasons the same late-night timeslot it gives to shows like Black Lagoon and Ghost In The Shell.I get that "shonen" is more than battle shonen like JJK and Dragon Ball, and can include shit like Haikyuu and Death Note. Really shonen is just a demographic. You could argue that magazines like Comic High! had shonen series insofar as they were series for boys.But Made In Abyss has been *firmly* marketed to teens and up from the get-go. You can even see that in the merch. Yes, you can go grab a Riko nenderoid or a Nanachi tee shirt from Wal-Mart or Hot Topic or whatever, but a lot of the merch trends towards higher-quality pricey weebshit/idolshit-esque stuff or things adults would want. Look around ebay. There's a licensed Nanachi zippo, coffee cups, bentos, and multiple $1200-dollar dioramas plus the usual acrylic stands and pins. If Made In Abyss were shonen, you'd have Bondrewd on a tub of G-Fuel or gamersupps, Reg and Riko skins in Fortnite, and Nanachi on a box of Reese's puffs. 7-11's in Los Angeles would have Faputa figures next to the Goku and Naruto funkos at checkout. Instead? A lot of the Made In Abyss crossover stuff has been *gambling adjacent*, with the same kind of pachinko parlor partnerships that The Laughing Salesman got. What kid likes online casinos or pachinko machines for them to include abyss-themed stuff? Yes, I know there are fans outside the intended demographic. I've seen middle schoolers reading it. But follow the money. You're not finding Faputa next to the Bluey fruit snacks like you are Pikachu. The suits think Made In Abyss fans are up at 2 AM and want a Nanachi zippo or a $1200 diorama. They think we have jobs.
>>84741735Slam Dunk is shonen, Dr. Slump is shonen.I honestly think you're confused. Shonen is intended to be read by teens. You might be conflating the entire genre of shonen with kodomo stuff.
>>84741779>pictured: Shonen
>pictured: a seinen series published in a seinen magazine
>>84741824You are correct. Though it is not a battle shonen.
>>84741735One thing I would like to add is that OP is specifically criticizing shounen that are formulaic, they are formulaic because they are battle shounen.
>>84741913>>84741872I guess I see your point. I dunno, then. SpyxFamily I'm sure OP has heard of, and that's not a battle shonen. If OP knows HxH, they know Shonen Jump Advanced, so for sure I'd suggest Jojo or Gintama. Food Wars is at least enough of a *variation* on battle shonen that I found it engaging. To Your Eternity's solid and that's published in a shonen magazine. Past that I'm not sure. A lot of my recommendations are stuff like Parasyte that I would classify as more along the lines of seinen. Damn it. Now that I think of it, Rent-a-Girlfriend is published in Kodansha's weekly shonen mag. I don't like where this is headed.
>>84741074>>84741409So you aren't open to shows that aren't formulaic shonen enough, but you also criticise shows for being too formulaic shonen. It seems that you don't even know what you want to watch. I don't know, man. Watch Baki.
>>84742023Those are all decent recs. Food War's format is more in line with something like Yugioh, Hikaru no Go, or Beyblades, but it has fanservice. In that vein, Kakegarui and Saki can also be recommended.Jumping off that I need to shout out Akagi and Kaiji, and currently airing Liar Game.
>>84742417Food wars is peak anime desu
>>84741074jjba is fairly unique in that sense. I'd give that a watch. part 1 and 2 are both pretty good i really like them, but in particular parts 3 and onward trend quite differently to most shounen. Way less about getting stronger with your rival to become the strongest whatever, usually they'll have a specific goal and their powers don't improve, they just have to get more creative with them. it's good stuff man.
>>84743779I liked jojo but during part 5 I started to get so bored of the fightsit felt like araki was trying too hard to make the fights weird and convoluted
>>84742380that nigger is not me>>84741429hxh is basically anti-shounenit never does what you expect it tothere's never a big fight between the good guys and bad guys, there are no good guys or bad guys, the characters behave far more realistically, and the encounters are far more realistic tooas opposed to naruto where everybody needs to have a ridiculously sad backstory, characters behave like they're in a soap, fights are all corny as fuck as well
