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what would it take you to stop believing in a self anon? the science, philosophy and everything show you have no free will, no person and no anon in there.

i thouhgt r9k would be most open to my idea but all of you laugh at me
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Stop posting retarded ai shit and ill consider it
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>>84745542
Why would I if I had no self? why does it matter what I felt about something if I'm not supposed to feel?
why should "I" believe what's the point in that and why should it matter?
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>>84745542
I did not laugh at you I simply didnt feel like replying. Now that I am I will share my thoughts. I am waiting for my food to be delivered so I can enjoy eating it. I may watch a movie. I have windows open also it's nice but yeah I agree with you
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>>84745577
the same way ur aware that dream isnt real or you anon

it's root of suffering, selfishness and evil that a you exists.


>>84745583
>I am waiting for my food to be delivered so I can enjoy eating it.

intention-> waited choices by brain that deliberated-> retard now thinks he chose to order food-> thinks he likes food when he likes how simulation feels when he eats it

all of these are stuff happening you had no agency in it. Why cant people get this plz begging anons to wake up from dream


i feel like neo
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>>84745542
you can think of possibilities and "time" itself as a set of railways that branch out endlessly
just because the railways have all been laid out already doesn't mean you can't choose which one you want to pass through, the levers exist
many worlds theory states that for every event with multiple outcomes, they all happen in different worlds and we observe only one
wouldn't it be interesting if we could choose which one to observe?

... and that's all i'm gonna say about that
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hahaha that image is funny when you think about it's like he's talking to nobody
>the self is sleep deprived
>>84745602
>it's root of suffering, selfishness and evil that a you exists
So a me exists or not? It's sounds more like it's a philosophy about suppressing or acting like it doesn't exist rather than it not existing.
>existence of a self is the root of suffering
>I suffer therefore I am
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>>84745542
Nothing since solipsism will always be a more plausible explanarion given the fact that all information from the outside world must be filtered through the self. All sensory information your consciousness recieves comes from the self so saying the self is false using information from the senses would thus corrupt the information from the senses that were used to prove the self false to begin with
As an analogy, imagine you use a camera to take a bunch of pictures and the pictures you took lead to the conclusion that you never had a camera to begin with. Would it be more plausible to deny the existence of the camera or think the photos weren't what they original appeared?
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>>84745619
>you can think of possibilities and "time" itself as a set of railways that branch out endlessly
>just because the railways have all been laid out already doesn't mean you can't choose which one you want to pass through, the levers exist
>many worlds theory states that for every event with multiple outcomes, they all happen in different worlds and we observe only one
>wouldn't it be interesting if we could choose which one to observe?

so how does this account for fact that u choose which world to end in?
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>>84745619
You do literally choose which timeliness and universe states to observe through your actions. What you choose for dinner, what you choose to wear and say, everything combines into a vector through space. Predicting where you end up is a separate problem. There's no right and one true timeline, but from the perspective of the humans embedded there is.
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>>84745634
>So a me exists or not? It's sounds more like it's a philosophy about suppressing or acting like it doesn't exist rather than it not existing.

it exists as a loop

>me exists
>me feel pain
>reinforce pain by thinking self exists
>now pain increaes

think of what happens when your rejected

>girl rejects you
>emotions arise
>now self delusion will reinforce pain by saying why
>am i ugly
>no one likes me
>it dwells on it
>brain believes this self exists and suffers more cause of it
>>84745657
>What you choose for dinner, what you choose to wear and say,

how do you choose?
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>>84745657
agreed, OP mentioned neo so i'm gonna draw a parallel with the oracle
the only reason she knew what was gonna happen was because she could see the choices made and where they would lead to, but she (and no one else) could never see past the choices others were yet to make

>There's no right and one true timeline
objectively true, but i like to think that we're on some kind of "alpha timeline", where shit happens the best way they're supposed to for our growth, our evolution
even if a lot of people disagree by calling this a hellish dystopia in many ways, well... no one was ever able to grow without hardships
bad times create strong men and all that

>>84745650
>how does this account for fact that u choose which world to end in?
it throws that notion that "you have no free will" out the window if we're able to choose as much, how our choices affect our future but only up to a certain point
the near future may be decided but the far future, maybe not

if we have free will, then there's someone there to make that choice, no?
if there's someone there then we have a self

ok for real i'm gonna shut up now lol
this is an interesting topic but i have nothing relevant to add
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>>84745753
I'm pretty sure it was proven all choices are made before they enter our consciousness
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>>84745753
>only up to a certain point
the near future may be decided but the far future, maybe not


Why? And how do you know near future is decided and how do you know you decided it? >>84745805
We're literally internal modeling system for brain
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>>84745805
You're correct. The brain does this cute thing though where you feel like you made the choice yourself even though your brain arrived at it seconds earlier and you're just a replay.
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>>84745542
>i thouhgt r9k would be most open to my idea but all of you laugh at me
hehe
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>>84745991
Isn't brain the self? I'm confused



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