How is marrying a non-virgin different from marrying a prostitute? Here are the arguments:>The prostitute has more bodycountAlright, but fundamentally is there a difference between having had sex with 10 people vs 100 people? Arguably, it's even worse that she wasn't paid at all if she did casual hookups.>The prostitute has lower moralsAgain, if we're going by the logic that bodycount doesn't matter, what she's doing isn't immoral at all. In fact, it's very arguably more honorable than having casual sex.
>>84751806My argument is that you can't say bodycount doesn't matter, and then say that there's a huge difference between a regular woman with several casual hookups or even long term relationships and a prostitute.
>>84751806I'd think a 1 body count woman is quite different from a prostitute.
>>84751806it's the same with how some women will marry men that have masturbated in their past.
>>84751818>I'd think a 1 body count woman is quite different from a prostitute.Then you have to admit that bodycount matters.
>>84751827i dont think anyone thinks bodycount doesn't matter. normies just have to pretend it doesn't so they don't get any backlash from the crazies online
>>84751827Who said I don't think it matters, troon?
>>84751836>normies just have to pretend it doesn't so they don't get any backlash from the crazies onlineI genuinely think a large percentage of liberals do actually think it doesn't matter, and yet would not marry a former prostitute. I'm just pointing out this contradiction.
>>84751806all women are functionally prostitutes. the only question is the cost and whether you're her only client
>>84751876do you think that the only meaningful difference between a prostitute and someone who is not a prostitute is their bodycount? would you ever respect a man who has watched porn? please say no.
>>84752011>do you think that the only meaningful difference between a prostitute and someone who is not a prostitute is their bodycount?Ok if we're going on the argument of morals.>The prostitute has lower moralsAgain, if we're going by the logic that bodycount doesn't matter, what she's doing isn't immoral at all. In fact, it's very arguably more honorable than having casual sex.>would you ever respect a man who has watched porn? There's no such thing as a porn virgin
>>84751806The prostitute doesn't have lower morals though. The average westoid woman is literally more degenerate than the average porn star, but she expects to be treated with the same respect as a virginal teen.
>>84752055>Ok if we're going on the argument of morals.Who said anything about morals?>Again, if we're going by the logic that bodycount doesn't matter, Do you think that the only thing that makes a prostitute a prostitute is a bodycount?
>>84752055There is something wrong with men who watch porn.
>>84751806Marrying is retarded no matter who you marry. Virgin or non-virgin or prostitute, they can all exploit the divorce laws to destroy your life. And the risk of that varies between 25% and 70% depending on where you live. Would you put your money into something that has those odds to fail?
>>84751824Why do women think masturbating is the same as having sex? Are they brain damaged by makeup chemicals?
>>84752140something like 30% of people die but most decent people still have kids anyway. the risk really depends on what kind of retard you are. my parents had a 0% chance of divorce and never divorced. my wifes parents had probably a 2% chance but are still together. there's not really a point in living alone but if you don't care much about marriage then yeah never let someone convince you to do it anyway.
>>84752114NTA but what are you alluding to? You imply there is something more to not wanting a prostitute than body count but then say you don't care about the morality of it either. There could be something but you should be clearer, I think his assumption was fair.
>>84752210How is it any different? Here are the arguments:>The sex has more bodycountSo? Fundamentally there is no difference.>Masturbating has lower moralsAgain, if it doesn't matter then there is no difference. It's just a contradiction to make the argument that it's different.
>>84752233I was alluding to someone who said >>84751876He isn't capable of explaining what a prostitute is.
>>84752234Because sex is not masturbation.You are not putting your penis inside someone else and having an experience with them when you are just rubbing your genitals, no chance of impregnation, no risk of std, no bonding.You are just an angry foid doing whataboutisms.
>>84752252Nobody was saying what about. Degenerates are degenerate across the board, there is no exception
>>84752218I don't want kids, that would plunge me right back into the poverty I escaped from. I don't want to be a wageslave, working to produce yet another generation of wageslaves.>my parents had a 0% chance of divorce>my wifes parents had probably a 2% chance You can't possibly know this stuff. It has a lot to do with luck. Famous, rich footballer Kaka who did everything right still got divorced because he was apparently too good. Women are unstable and crazy and you can't really figure out when/if they decide they want something new. And divorce laws heavily favor them, so it's almost like they get rewarded for ditching their husbands. The system is rigged against men. Good luck with your marriage.
>>84751806God gave women hymens out of love for his creation, and hatred of fornication. If you didn't want to marry a non-virgin, in biblical times you could reject her on the wedding night, if she had no hymen, and prosecute her before the judges for pretending to be pure. Today you can still just annul the marriage if you don't find a hymen on the wedding night.
>>84752300Famous people divorce more than non-famous, and being an athlete doesn't make you less retarded. I possibly knew it because there was an objective statistical 0% chance that my parents would ever divorce. it has nothing to do with luck on its own; nobody accidentally stumbles into a courtroom and files for a divorce
>>84752360She would become unpure on her wedding night anyway. men are gross.
>>84751806sex havers are used to compromising, and they feel bad about this, so they're compelled to try convince virgins that "it's no big deal", in order to dirty them also. >equating the two>>84751824There's no women on this board, so instead of being foolish, it's quicker just to assume you're pretending to be retarded for (you)'s>>84752252Stop encouraging him
>>84752361This has nothing to do with being retarded or not. It has to do with how good two people get along with each other over the course of decades. And people are not constant, they change over time. So it is entirely a matter of luck. My parents divorced after 25yrs of marriage. They went from loving each other madly to arguing about money and all sorts of shit. My dad lost the house and moved into a rented apartment. Like I said, it can destroy your life and it is completely pointless. You don't need a paper from the government to certify love.
>>84752250I don't mean to ask who you are responding to. I meant to ask, because you are saying that there is something that could make prostitutes undesirable that is not rooted in a care about body counts or any morals, what that something is. What the justification could be for not wanting to marry a prostitute, provided you do not care about body counts nor the moral argument over it. Personally, I feel there is something degrading about exchanging sex for money, becoming so intimate and vulnerable with someone via economic coercion or simply for one's material gain, so I don't like the idea of marrying a prostitute. But I would think that kind of feeling could be characterized as "the moral argument." Even though I don't necessarily think it's morally wrong I come from a similar place as those who do and the arguments one could make against them could be made against me. Like the very argument OP is making (or kind of similar) that if I adopted this conception of sex not being a special thing and not being at all degrading for a woman to have in exchange for money, I wouldn't have these same reasons for not wanting to marry one. Maybe some auxillary arguments like some divorce statistics that I'm sure you could find but nothing as convincing and intuitive as the moral ones.
>>84752389"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." There's nothing unpure about a married couple sleeping together. Whoring around is never respectable.
>>84752397>This has nothing to do with being retarded or not>My parents....[were retarded] but this was totally unrelated!The people change meme is completely unrelated to the point and process of marriage. A divorce, to someone who actually takes marriage or commitment seriously, would be on the same level as cutting off your own legs; only in rare circumstances would it even be reasonable.I can agree that marriage is not for everyone and most people are simply too stupid to truly get it, which is why it had to propagate through a spiritual and religious faith-based practice, but two retards who keep thinking of themselves as two separate retards is not "luck"
>>84752407If the mans penis touches the womans vagina, she becomes unpure. The rest is cope.
>>84752402There was an anon earlier who implied that if you don't care about bodycount but would not marry a former prostitute, then somehow you are contradicting yourself. So then I asked her if she thought the only thing that makes a prostitute a prostitute is bodycount, since that's the only qualifier she is considering for why someone wouldn't marry a prostitute. It's like saying that there is somehow a contradiction in not caring about boob size, but then refusing to marry a trans woman.
>>84752435I think you're an actual retard. You don't seem to be able to understand how something affects another thing. You also think in ideal cases that don't really exist in real life. Nobody takes marriage as seriously as cutting off their own legs.
>>84752442The only cope here is you coping with being a whore.
>>84752272Masturbation is not even in the same ballpark as sex.
>>84752502Cuckold dumb bitch, it was serious enough to make your own dad lose his house and "destroy his life". Just because your fucking stupid ahh parents don't take marriage seriously, doesn't mean it's not a serious decision.
>>84752523>the sex ballparkhave you had sex?
>>84752528Again you're so retarded you don't even understand that it only takes 1 person wanting divorce for the whole thing to go to shit. Smart people divorce all the time, it has nothing to do with being retarded. Wonder if your wife is also mentally challenged, or if you're somehow married to a vegetable.
>>84752460In your example I would be asking you why you wouldn't want to date a trans woman. And you would definitely have your reasons for that, but here in this actual discussion you just aren't naming those reasons and are denying the guesses we make at what those reasons might be.
>>84752546>smart people are retarded all the timenah its rare. like i said there are some circumstances that do justify separation. but if you go through life thinking you personally have a 50% risk of divorce, or maybe you also think you have a 50% risk of randomly becoming a woman as well? that's just retardation.
>>84752533No. I'm on /r9k/ but I know masturbation only requires one person and is not the same as sex.
>>84752556What was her reason then? She said something about a contradiction but also agreed that there is nothing contradicting about refusing to marry a prostitute.
>>84752578>No.How did that even happen? Do you not go to a lot of parties?
>>84752588I don't know OP's reasons for not wanting to be with a prostitute. I would guess that she does think that having a high body count is undesirable and does think prostitution is immoral. I don't see where she says there is no contradiction.
>>84752656Some prostitutes don't have a high body count yet.
>>84752666Well in that case your reason for not wanting to be with one would be something else, right? What might that be?
>>84752744just imagine the smell but fr
