>Know woman that's a medical student>She's decent looking, but what stands out about her is that she's really good at video games, has super nerdy interests, listens to metal, etc>wonder why that is>Start talking to her a bit since we were doing a group project together >She tells me how she has this "friend" on Discord>Says she talks to him every day, plays video games and watches movies with him on discord>He's 14 years older than she is>Pretty much all of "her" interests are just his interests>Bro pretty much created the perfect online gf I didn't ask if they've fucked but it's just obvious that the reason she's so attached to him is because they met while she was young and he basically molded her into the woman he wanted her to be.
It's looked down on because its mostly faggots and trannies doing it
>>84773763indi is hotterholy shit we need to get taller. also I say we, but she Indi is white. but you get what I'm saying Latinos are short as fec.
Pretty much anything related to healthy male sexuality or the formation of an actual loving relationship is demonized nowadays.
>>84773763>man: I want a loving perfect gf>looks inside>its just a young woman who has the exact same interests opinions and goals as him just in a female body and worships him tooEverytime. Same worker drone men can only understand same worker drone love it seems.
>>84773825Yeah it's crazy. I know someone that did this. They're both "brown" so likely it's not as vilified but I don't know why people expect a woman to go through all of high school, all of college, and then 7-10 years living in a major city either by herself or roommates and not pick up a ton of bad habits and beliefs that would not be conductive to being in a longlasting marriage. She is either trained to be a mother/wife, or the world will train her to be a whore.
You said she is a med student, ergo she is an adult. How is this grooming?>abloobloobloo women can't be held accountable for their actionsYeah nah, if she's not underage, it's not grooming.
it's looked down upon because it's manipulative and often to the detriment of the young person. if there was no problems, nobody would give a shit.It is not a way to get a loving girlfriend, you would have to be retarded to trust a teenager like that.
>>84773825That isn't true at all though. I can't think of a single normal and healthy behaviour that is demonized, but a ton of unhealthy and abnormal ones.
>>84773763"Grooming" is just a word roasties, boomers and cucks cae up with to make normal courtship behavior sound sinister.>>84773825This, the west is a totalitarian shithole.>>84773958>it's looked down upon because it's manipulative and often to the detriment of the young person.source: I made it up>>84773966>I can't think of a single normal and healthy behaviour that is demonizedFucking teenage girls past the feminist-mandated age. This is the singlest healthiest and most normal behavior that exists and there's nothing the cuck west hates more.
>>84773998>Fucking teenage girls past the feminist-mandated age. This is the singlest healthiest and most normal behavior that exists and there's nothing the cuck west hates more.how could you possibly believe this? like, what game you the impression that is was normal?
>>84773998the source is I was groomed as a 16 year old and have talked with other young men who were also maniulpulated. it fucks with you, even if you think it's fun at the time. please stop being so naive and try to listen to people with experience.
>>84773763"grooming" is just a bunch of 4th wave radical feminism bullshit that has gone mainstream. jews don't like it because they don't want people reproducing (other than them, where they have no such restrictions for e.g. ultra-orthodox jews) or because they are bitter old fat women who no man has ever loved.your job is to pay it no mind. become successful. find a 19 year old when you're 36. marry her. have kids. pair bond with her for life. watch them seethe
>>84773763>Pretty much all of "her" interests are just his intereststhis is why men are told to get a hobby to attract women. women are boring as fuck and want a man who will introduce her to things. she won't care what.
>>84773998>teenage girls past the feminist-mandated ageLate teens is fine. Girls who get pregnant 15 years or under have the similar amounts of risk as a woman who gets pregnant in her late thirties
>>84774069while this isn't true at all, there is an interesting piece of stats that puts into perspective how sex education does last to less pregnancies.The amount of teen pregnancy in america is at all all time low, dropping from nearly 20% of pregnancies in 2008 to less than 5% in 2023. While covid certainly helped reduce the number, it does show us that LESS teens are having unprotected sex. Anyone who tries to tell you that teenagers are all having sex is trying to manipulate you.
>>84773966>I can't think of a single normal and healthy behaviour that is demonizedYou don't think. Let's just keep it simple. You do not possess the ability for thoughts that aren't fed to you by a jew-moderated Reddit sub. You're are the goyest of goy. (Or a lying jew.)
>>84774118Can you think of some, then?
>>84774015All of human history prior to feminism, reddit-kun.>>84774088Acceptable, but pretending anyone under 18 is an infant is not only wrong, it's satanic in the way that it criminalizes men for liking what men normally like. 18 is 6 x 3 i.e. 666.
>>84774121"Toxic masculinity." Literally the entire concept of men is considered a flaw in this jew'd world.Are you a roastie, a kike, or a Plebbitor that hasn't been given a single thought that wasn't run through one of Epstein's moderators and Eglin Air Force Base for your upniggies first? Be honest.
>>84774124>All of human history prior to feminismAnd also most of the world even today, nobody gives a fuck about waaah muh pedos except buck broken westoids and those under their influence. They fuck teens because they're hot, simple as.
>>84774124I have a feeling that even in the past, young women were abused and harmed by men seeking to have sex with them.also that satanic thing is weird in a hilarious way. These are the kind of people who want to fuck teens, huh.
>>84774129What's wrong with the term toxic masculinity? Most men aren't toxic and are able to demonstrate healthy masculinity. Why would you want to celebrate bad habits?
>>84773763Yes, the jew is most terrified of white men reclaiming their women. Because then its actually over, the natural order will once again remain supreme. Apparently teaching 5 year old children they are trannies and that all races are equal and democracy is the best system of government in the world isn't grooming but talking to a 16 year old and sharing your interests is.
>>84774135That has nothing to do with how normal and safe it is though. Appeal to tradition, nature, etc.
>>84774155>Apparently teaching 5 year old children they are trannies and that all races are equal and democracy is the best system of government in the world isn't grooming but talking to a 16 year old and sharing your interests is.gullible little man lol
>>84774043You were groomed by a woman. Thats wrong, not the act of grooming itself.
>>84774176Being groomed by men is also wrong. You're being stupid.
>>Know woman that's a medical studentwait, so she's an adult?OP, wtf are you talking about here...?
it's so funny how /pol/cels instantly fold if you just don't acknowledge their incoherent screeching about jews and ask them to actually explain their views
>>84774185I think she knew this guy when she was younger, but knows OP as an adulttry reading it again
>>84774199hey man, it's tough to fall for all the propoganda on twitter, cut them some slack
>>84774173strawman fallacy
>>84774153The term is toxic masculinity and its used to describe masculinity as a whole. Have you ever actually heard the term toxic femininity? Of course not, that should be your first clue as to whats happening. here is a list of behaviors that are demonized that are actually healthy for you>having children when you are under 25>women pursuing children and a traditional submissive role in the family>men literally just approaching or talking to women they don't know for the purposes of mating>having more than a 2 month gap in your resume>literally just having any right wing or conservative views at all>choosing to be chaste>men doing literally anything masculine as already discussed with toxic masculinityDeep dive into "toxic masculinity" >sitting with your legs open>working out>learning to fight >having honor>eliminating threats(that guy arrested for headlocking that other dude on a subway)>being sexually attracted to a woman >being not sexually attracted to a womanNow you're going to OMG none of that is demonized lol. Despite the fact that if you're not blind they are clearly demonized in mainstream culture.
>>84774267yeah obviously, but they believed it so much they probably didn't even realize it
>>84774143>here's a shitton of evidence showing that this prohibition is misandrist bullshit founded on nothing>but what about my feels?>>84774166Literally nothing wrong with appealing to tradition in this case. If it was actually psychologically harmful for a 30-year-old guy to bang a willing 15-year-old girl, then it would have been recorded somewhere in the 10,000 years of recorded history we have from before feminism. But it isn't. It doesn't show up, not once. You fucking agecuck niggers have made an extraordinary claim, that the default sexual preference of men (fucking teenage girls) is wrong. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Not only have you failed to produce extraordinary evidence, you've produced no evidence at all. That which is alleged without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.tl;dr you lost tranny
>>84774173So can you explain why the pledging the allegiance to the flag when you are 5 years old isn't grooming? Go ahead and please, I would really really love to hear how adult 40+ year old women telling kids what political ideas they should and shouldn't have is grooming. Please go ahead. Name the difference, so long as the difference isn't "well I personally agree with one">>84774184Nah. Your egalitarian world view is a mental disorder, probably the result of being groomed by women. I was groomed by women, I went through education. Its tough but you can over come it someday.
>>84774199>>84774224Crazy how you think anyone folded. LMFAO. Is this how you convince yourself you're always right?
>>84774282>>having children when you are under 25>>women pursuing children and a traditional submissive role in the family>>men literally just approaching or talking to women they don't know for the purposes of mating>>having more than a 2 month gap in your resume>>literally just having any right wing or conservative views at all>>choosing to be chaste>>men doing literally anything masculinenone of these are demonized. what gives you the impression that any of this is demonized?and the only one of those that could be considered toxic is "eliminating threats" because chances are that just means there are two threats now instead of one.Normal masculine behaviour like this is celebrated by normal people. families are still being created and young people are falling in love and having children before 25. unemployment is far, far less of a taboo than it ever has been post-covid. conservative movements desperately need a revival of true, conservative values instead of neolib christian propoganda. I could go on if you wish.
>>84773763Women shouldnt choose their partners.
>>84774308>So can you explain why the pledging the allegiance to the flag when you are 5 years old isn't grooming?I mean that's a bit different and hissy regular manipulation. grooming implies some sort of elicit relationship once they are "legal" is the goal.
>>84774330Any "conservative" movement that doesn't include restoring age of consent and all other sex laws to what they were prior to feminism is just more controlled opposition cuck shit.
>>84773958>acting like adults cant manipulate each other
>>84774316I'm not always right, I'm always learning new things and trying to expand my knowledge and experiencewhich is why I think grooming is bad, compared to the evidently less experienced people who hold onto it as a fantasy
>>84774350most conservatives are actually, you know, more conservative about sex. the original prudes were conservative. the anti feminist men have nothing in common with conservatives. this shouldn't surprise you. >>84774356what? that was never even remotely implied.
>>84774378acting like manipulation is the only factor wrong with age gap implies that
>>84774388well I didn't, it was just one of the two things I mentioned explicitly. it goes without saying that it's easier to manipulate less experienced people, whether they are children or not.Is there anything what you would want to mention?
>>84774378>literally just admitting that conservatives are feminists in all but nameNot doing a good job of getting alienated men to follow you. What you're selling isn't benefiting us in any way.
>>84774406teenagers aren't children that is where your point falls, and if a man seeks a younger demographic is he too not mentally and emotionally vulnerable?
>>84774416>if a man seeks a younger demographic is he too not mentally and emotionally vulnerableNot necessarily, maybe he just has enough good taste to reject roasties who gave their best years to other men and now want him to pick up the pieces.
>>84774414I'm not sure what you're talking about now, feminism has a much different view on sex. Your need to do more reading not on 4chan or twitter.>>84774416sorry, I said that inexperienced people are now easily manipulated whether they are children or not, not that only children got manipulated or that all teenagers were children. where are you getting this twisted?
>>84774350not just feminism, women in general are hostile against the average man. Traditionalism expressed this in different ways. such as sending the unwanted men to war to die. Or make up some rumors about him. Notice the shift in narrative in women. Feminism just allows women to express their hatred for majority of men they arent attracted to more openly.
>>84774452ah misread, but usually adults that seeks a younger audience are also inexperienced. Chances are if they click better with a teen then the adult is also mentally behind in maturity. Very rarely is there any malice intent.
>>84774330>none of these are demonizedSee, I already knew you were going to say this. You are completely out of touch if you actually believe this.
>>84774462>Traditionalism>Send incels to die in wars>Feminism>Turn incels into second-class citizensIf incels win, both of these ideologies will be treated like Nazism is today.
>>84774348Its not different at all. I like that pledging allegiance is what you have an issue with. You're so obviously a brainwashed leftist faggot.
>>84774358So you're open to learning new things, then why do you have instinctual triggers to concepts you dislike? Can you name a pro christian mainstream box office movie that has come out in the last 10 years. How about a pro capitalist movie? Hell, how about a movie that doesn't demonize starting a traditional family? Please, I'd actually love to watch them.
>>84774485if anything, it will be another gynocentric shitfest if incels won. just look at the groypers
>>84774452Ah who is the official source of feminist theory on sex if not feminists? Please tell me what their position is on sex.
>>84774491funny now nothing mentions women, its always replacing the men. its fucking black pilling to know how unwanted you are
>>84773998>>84773825>>84773763>>84773949My parents and roastie relatives all told me that theyll frame me for miscellaneous crimes (like drug trafficking) if I try to date a woman under age 30Its sad because they made me break up with the one girl who was ever interested in me
>>84774516Groypers mostly aren't self-identified incels though. Spic Fuentes even said he doesn't want incels in his audience.
yap yap yapi'd prefer my husband not die a minimum of 10 years before me :D
>>84774533If my relatives did this I'd do one of two things:1) Leave the country.2) Literally kill them. What the fuck do you have to lose at that point? You'll never be able to live a normal life again as long as these alleged "people" are in it.
>>84774378Conservatives are conservative about sex. You're making a huge implication that age of consent = wanted to fuck 50 16 year olds. Two different topics entirely but you're so busted and degenerate you think its the same thing. Incredible really. How would grooming a 16 year old to be your perfect wife not be sexually conservative assuming you only fuck her after you married her?
>>84774532Of course, women are their greatest allies. Remember that women are in fact the most radical political group ever. They were the most extreme nazis, communists and now liberal leftists.
>>84774069My parents fucked that up for me, now ill be an incel forever
>>84774542Men die on average 7 years earlier than women. Meaning you'd have to marry a guy 7 years younger than you. And being a woman you're going to expect him to have a stable job, be 6ft and have a six pack. Have fun finding that guy.
>>84774535now when they gain traction yeah it needs to appeal to a female audience as well for the beliefs to be validated. im just scared if inceldom becomes popularized, will it take another title or another makeup to appeal to the female audience again as the original mentality gets diluted overtime
>>84774330Dont understand why this is controversial here, even in Bidens administration this would be completely unremarkable. Its still not uncommon for women to become a housewife for her husband when she has kids. If anything being able to become a housewife would be seen as a sign of luxury for women, people forget how abnormal the fifties in America was compared to the rest of history
>>84774553pretty much, the women just go along with the new thing.
>>84774560yeah so if my husband was substantially older than me, he'd die more like 15+ years ahead of me. even better :D>Have fun finding that guy.already got the man of my dreams!!!
>>84774560Men also live longer when in relationships with women.
>>84774549>How would grooming a 16 year old to be your perfect wife not be sexually conservative assuming you only fuck her after you married her?This is perfectly in line with actual conservative values, but not modern cuckservatism that conserves nothing and is just liberalism driving the speed limit. People commonly think age of consent and age of marriage are the same.
>>84774546I think im gonna leave the country and try to start fresh. I dont have that much money. These people by the way, inlcuding one of the roastie cousins, were dating guys 20 years older than them when they were in their teens and 20sSometimes they even openly mock me about it
>>84774601And you haven't told them to fuck off on the grounds that they were doing the exact same thing when they were young?
>>84774578Source? orginallaoli
>>84774628I do, they just laugh in my face and tell me shut the fuck up or else
>>84774745What a bunch of fucking cunts. You need to ruin their lives somehow at the very least.
>>84773949I think they've been friends for YEARS hence the close relationship and shared interests.
>>84774069I don't get how people expect you to just magically meet someone when you're older that has all the things you like. All that means is that she dated guys like that and took on their traits.
>>84774200Thank you. I'm OP I think the point is that the guy was likely in his 20s talking to her while she was a teenager, she got attached and they formed a bond online and now she's basically pairbonded with some dude over discord.
>>84774533How old are you anon? This is important. Because we need to know why they would do this and what caused them to do this. If she's 18 and you're 48 then I can somewhat get it cause you're basically her dad.
>>84775426>the guy was likely in his 20s talking to her while she was a teenagerThis is how relationships normally form in properly functioning societies.
>>84775457stfu, who gives a shit if he's 80, 16 is legal in most states anyway
>>84774088use protection then?
ultimately I think there's no one size fits all. there's a pretty clear reason why people frown on it and it mostly just has to do with "modernity" and our ideas about power, but I don't think it's intrinsically right or wrong - there are examples of both. I think in the vast majority of cases, most women do just adopt the traits of those they've been with. a low quality woman is usually to some degree "created" by the behavior of low quality men. this seems to compound over time. you can whine about power imbalance all you want, but it seems to happen either way. I do think however that younger women require much, much more emotional intelligence and patience to actually hold down long term. bagging a 19 year old as a 30 something year old is one thing. actually keeping her and ensuring she's happy without resorting to control (which will ALWAYS inevitably breed resentment and rebellion, even if she agrees to it) is another. I have to respect any man who can pull it off, and kind of view it as the mark of a high quality guy, or at least a very powerful one. if he's just the latter, women are mirrors and he'll inevitably get betrayed or used.I used to kind of frown on guys who date younger, but the older I get, the less I care about having an "equal" in a relationship. younger women have less baggage, are less jaded, have fairer expectations, for the most part are more receptive, don't get in my way as much, and are honestly just prettier and more of a good time. the polarity seems to make both parties happier, and I think they're more honest reflections. it's hard for me to argue with my experience. dating a woman who is "equal" to me has never actually made for a better relationship at any point in my life. if anything it has almost always led to my quality of life declining in some way as I'm subjected to her projections and complexes.either way, at the end of the day I think it really just comes down to your quality as a man. do with it what you will.
>>84775467Most relationships form when a guy and girl meet each other in school. Women by and large don't want older guys
>>84775683Women naturally want to be around a guy they see as better than them in some way. That's life but we have vilified that.
>>84774308>pledging allegiance to the flagthis is grooming you to instill national loyalty, not too get raped, do you see the difference?Your parents making you do homework on time is grooming you to be a dilligent worker as an adult, troons on discord sending 13 year olds porn and telling them how cool it is to wear dresses is grooming them to get raped.
>>84775747you know it, lol. random career or social circle boosts have been the death knell of a few relationships of mine, lol. + every woman is supportive until you hit a rocky patch in your career. it's just the way it is. there's exceptions to the rule but they're just that, exceptions. sucks but the more you accept this sort of stuff and live life based on actual experience as opposed to what people say, the better life gets.
>>84775683>power imbalancewomen are always weaker than men though
>>84775839this is why they reckon you should meet your wife while you're a loser, because you know she won't leave you if things ever get hard. Though this was once an assurance with marriage, before no fault divorce was implemented in the 20th century....
>>84773886You've never been in mutual love so you couldn't understand even if you wanted to.
>>84775842not intrinsically, it's just that they have a very different sort of power. I'd argue in most cases, a daughter has much more power over her father than he has over her. most of our societal issues honestly either involve men abusing their power, or women coveting and trying to emulate masculine forms of power because of this abuse. not only can they never do it, they pervert it while undermining themselves and everyone around them, leading to civilizations like ours. check out the Bible sometime it's pretty cool
>>84775696bullshit, this is roastie disinfo
>>84775857eh idk. I go back and forth on that. you still have to be an exceptionally high quality dude to hold almost any woman's attention through a low stretch, at which point I'd argue your success in some way is practically guaranteed, even if your version of success is just a lowkey life with a decent wife.you could argue that at least you'd "know" she wants you for you and not your success, but if your success is a more accurate representation of who you are inside, and it opens you to a pool of women that would make YOU happier, then why argue with it even if they wouldn't give you the time of day beforehand. I guess I just believe that the external reflects the internal about equally in both cases.on some level sure, even I feel the former sort of love is purer but it's still reliant on the idea that your good traits as a man are already there, just more or less hidden from the world at large for the time being. having been with a woman who believed in me but got tired of my career taking longer than she expected to launch, I know for a fact some women will place "limited bets" on guys they perceive as loser-y with "potential". doesn't really mean much even though it looks the same. I'll take a woman that's proportional to my actual worth further on down the road after that experience.
>>84775866I love my mom (nonsexual way) and dont need her to share my exact views or personality because I'm not afraid of existing in relationships with others where my views and personality is never challenged or I never have to make concessions or compromises and never understand how the other thinks and feels. I also loved others like one highschool friend but they werent interested in me and liked someone else so I backed off, so I don't push myself on them, unlike certain piece of shit moids who try to groom and ruin girls lives just to get a ~perfect loving gf childbride~. If you need to resort to grooming a younger girl to be your wife then the women your age clearly see something is defective with you and stay away. I hate groomers unless he marries the girl, then he dies early, and leaves all his stuff to her. Maybe stop chainsmoking beer guzzling being a couchpotato and watching enraging politics if you want to feel young again, its not the job of some girl to make you feel young again with her tight p@ssy and carefree attitude. Pay a hooker if you want that and leave normal girls alone.
>>84775876I dont care, if my dad is a bad leader I'm not doing what he says.
>>84775994that's exactly what I'm saying, pretty much any relationship a guy has is a "leadership skills" check.
>>84775857They say that because then you know she actually likes you. If you get married after you've already made it, there's no reason to be loyal to her because she is just along for the ride. If I'm already rich and you're just hanging out, then I'm just using you to make babies
>>84776020I gotta keep it a hundo with you anon all women date for different reasons then men. Even your perfect tradwife who still loves you as a loser is doing so because she sees some form of potential in you, I'd argue this poses a much greater risk of projection in all cases. A woman who is attracted to you because of your success but stays with you because you're a genuinely decent man who lives up to the success is just as worthwhile in my eyes. It's the same thing at two different points. You can be a super successful guy but if you suck you're only going to keep shallow, soulless gold diggers around you. If you're decent though, you're still liable to find a loyal girl somewhere plus you'll have the luxury of choice.
>>84776013Then they should maybe hold leadership skills lessons and "healing your obvious mental illness behaviors like taking your your anger on others". Nothings stopping them, if they want to larp so bad at being God appointed leaders.
>>84776070Yeah I agree, this would be a good thing for everyone but ultimately I think genuinely good men learn on their own in time.
>>84775876In the west this is true. Other places no.
>>84776092Care to elaborate? I'm curious to hear what you mean. I think the east generally consists of longer running cultures that have a bit more experience in these departments than we do, and sets of spiritual and ethical laws which are better documented than ours, including their effects and the ebb and flow of their societies, which is maybe part of what accounts for the discrepancy. I don't know of any society that hasn't perverted its teachings to some extent, though.
>>84776055Yeah but most of us are too autistic to properly vet women and the issue is that most of the really good ones get taken off the market early.
>>84776121In the Middle East, Africa, Latino cultures, what the man says goes. In the West, we treat daughters like they're princesses and that can do no wrong and spoil them.
>>84776130I guess I'm of the belief that you don't really need to vet that much. Like attracts like. If that hoe sucks just exile her ass. They make prenups for this very reason. If she's the really scary sort who will try to fuck up your life for doing so, I'd argue you were doing something wrong in the first place to attract her but also that shit is just normal now and nobody cares, if you're a good guy you'll inevitably come out on top. I've been "cancelled" twice and it literally means nothing lol.
>>84776135Yea true, but I also think this has its limits and leads to resentment. Look at the replies I got from that other anon about not listening to their father, for example. Women from those cultures often have strong animus complexes and are known for being somewhat "aggressive and masculine" in dating. Stereotypes, sure - but there's some truth in them. Enforcing a patriarchal hierarchy when the men are unworthy is just as bad as women trying to install themselves as the new patriarchs and failing spectacularly.
>Is "grooming" looked down on because it's one of the few ways to get a loving gf in 2026Seems vaguely similar to those pedos on the Chris Hansen show who essentially have a thing for unsullied virgins, so end up going for underage.Seeing as fuck apps and social media have ruined foids by exposing them to all the Chads as soon as they use a smartphone, it stands to reason that many are run through before college age. Sadly, it's simply not realistic to expect to deflower a virgin foid, let alone one that is over the AoC.Sure, 16 is legal here and I would fuck a 16yo, but I would never expect her to be a virgin. Not that young foids, or any foids, look at me twice.
>>84774572He'll cheat on your decrepit hag ass
>>84773763Grooming is for underage anontachiOnce they are adult is called "bitches be thirsting for anyone who gives them attention" or "cohersion" on the worst scenario.That woman you mention is one step away to make a discord call out when he stops giving her attention.
>>84776912>anon could have had a mother daughter love triangle and slept with em both but instead went "wait but im retarded and gay"god puts meat on the vegan's plate once again
>>84773763grooming is seen as immoral because parents want to protect their children from low quality men.groomed by a 30yo upper class wealthy chad = goodgroomed by a 50yo lower class paki = bad
>>84773763how can it be grooming if she's a medical student? she'd have to be like 24 at least. does that pass as grooming now? let them seethe.
>>84776677this is basically my blackpill. they wonder why few men commit anymore; besides that they're with chad, who has a constant supply of pussy, who could really be inspired to commit to a girl who's slept with even five guys? love is aspirational. it's work to maintain love over time. the reality is a girl who was truly yours, you wouldn't even conceive of it as "leeching" off you if she weren't working or making a thoughtful effort. you'd be able to accept her as a prize who deserved all of that.
>>84775866If you need to groom someone it is not mutual love. It's just a manipulation and a manipulation for one sided love in which she loves you, while you just love yourself and use her. Love implies appreciating the person as they are regardless of if it's useful and convenient or not.
>>84776135Those countries are also more okay with the man being in charge and the woman subservient.
>>84776677>a thing for unsullied virgins, so end up going for underage.That's basically half this board lol. The difference is that most people on here have some passive cope that they'll just magically run into a 33 year woman that is a KHHV like them, those dudes realize if they actually want what they want, they have to be creeps
>>84778043Because he's over a decade older than her.>>84777819I think it's fine if you're "groomed" to be in an arranged marriage with someone your own age. Most women that have the choice don't want a guy much older than them.
>>84778204I think most people realize that "true love" is a fantasy and the closest you can actually get to it are things like>lust>grooming>manipulation
>>84778722Most people do not realize anything, they just cant experience love at all and so they want to make other people as convenient as possible. Its is just a reality coping mechanism that has absolutely nothing to do with love.True love is real by the way, and I have it, hence why I express such distate with all you motherfuckers.
>>84773763Imagine grooming someone for years and she still has you friendzoned loool. Utterly pathetic
>>84778790this is how you get a friend circle though?
>>84778898OP said "loving gf" though
>>84773886Nah. I want a girl with her own individual opinions about stuff (not given to her by politicians, media, or streamers) who can hold a conversation about why she has them and how the logic behind them works.So, sadly, I am forced to date trannies.
>>84778940Any excuse to fuck trannies I guess
>>84778752All love is conditional but it can exist, it's just very rare for most people.
>>84778790It's funny, OP here, I played a video game with them and she gave the guy shit for being bald lol. It's like they're kids. He's "friendzoned" but they're still super close.
>>84773763Yes.Women HATE monogamy, so anything that can lead to monogamous marriage is discouraged. It's why women hate white men, it's why marriage is postponed until after age 30, it's why age gap dating is pedophilia but age gap fucking is empowering. Society is a gynocracy.
>>84779150I feel like even age gap fucking is seen as weird and creepy. It's only "okay" if the woman is selling her body and getting "the bag" but the men are still shamed.
>>84778898lool come on...
>>84773763Pure propaganda. The natural roles of women -> Child -> pregnancy/mother -> Babysitter, cleaner, cook, nurse etc. Nowaydas they get sexulized too early all the nonsense such as lbgt, sex education, poirn etc. Then they skip the 2nd step over with birth control and go right to the third. Then they try to go back to the 2nd step with a whole lot of fertility issues. once you skip the 2nd step you can't go back without being mentally ill and immature.
>>84776805>POVu wish bucko
>>84773763No its because westerners dont think teens are primal sex crazy apes meaning you arent grooming them, they are grooming you. The average gen z foid has more fucked up sex experience than the Gen Y hebephile that dates her.
>>84781827I feel like people in general just like to pretend that teens don't have raging hormones because we want to take any and all accountability from them when they talk to someone older than 18
