>>84780920
>mfw moids can't differentiate fiction from reality

its a fetish not reality
No one actually wants to be raped for real
nice strawman tho

>>84780920
Then every male is weird fetishes should be kicked out, too. Fantasizing about rape and power exchange is probably just an unconscious reaction to the threat. Taking power back is a psychological coping skill. Used all the time in traumawork.

>>84780937
>>84780942
you're the equivalent of someone who doesn't want gay sex but likes looking at gay porn aka closeted. every one of my fantasies, whether it is gunning down my rivals, owning a harem of sex slaves or grooming a teenage girl, is something i actually want. i don't read books about getting pegged
>>84780944
>weird fetish
>entire bookstores are dedicated to this smut that is also sold at walmart

>>84780986
>every one of my fantasies, whether it is gunning down my rivals, owning a harem of sex slaves or grooming a teenage girl, is something i actually want. i don't read books about getting pegged
What a fucking boring person you are, then. Entirely one-dimensional. No inner life. In fact dare I say: no soul.

>>84780986
nigga what the fuck are you talking about? No one not even the horniest foids want to be raped
They want to be manhandled

>>84780986
>we need to get these stupid submissive (but only for 6' 5" werewolf CEOs) catamites outta the workplace and outta owning bank accounts
This is what I'm replying to. If you're going to punish women for their fantasies, then men should go punished too. It's only fair.
I don't support punishing either, unless they're pedos.

>some women are reading books, this requires completely shitting up civilized society
nice try jeet/mudslime/slavshit, you fled your brown shithole so now you have to shit up every other country

>>84780920
To understand women one must love futas. Imagine a futa CEO shes tall blonde and gorgeous and size mogs you in both ways. She is very possessive of you and will randomly bend you over abd violate your asshole whilr calling hou sweet names then nasty ones to fuck with your head. Shes an awful person but being dominated by her is like ecstasy to you so you make up BS to defend her because you care more about losing the pleasure from being her bitch than human decency. Eventually her violemce towards you mindbreaks you to the point your prostrate fires off from her punches to your gut or kicks to your face. You are her slave her bitch she is your CEO sociopath mistress. Oh fuck my asshole is on fire from imagining this.

>>84780937
>>84780942
women are really stupid kek, these things can vote

>>84781034
>t. Seething simp

>>84780937
Most people can't, but it's not something that society wants to admit.

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>>84780920
>men jerking off to hardcore porn of trafficked and drugged teens who come from shitty households and are dumped/pumped for porn so you can nut (teen being one of the MOST popular porn categories to the point they remove it from "statistics" because of pedo allegations)
>I sleep.
>women read books with powerful, tall, "dark" characters who love them and kill people for them and its all entirely fictional
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK FOIDS FUKCKKKKC WOMEN NOOOOOOOOOOOO DIE

>>84781034
Men are so terrible they have to cherrypick outlier shit or try to say thought crimes compare to their actual crimes
My real issue is why are men so fucking gay? I hate male solidarity. It's why the rape groups stay close lipped. But women tell on each other immediately. Saying this as a woman obviously

>>84781073
>t. stinking subhuman

>>84780920
How does a deep fantasy not reflect desire? These women are just deeply in denial no wonder every bitch wants to be choked and are into CNC play these days it's never ever the guy, they are just in denial to the things they're attracted to consumption of fantasy shapes desire.

>>84781009
>inner life is when you fantasize about something you don't want
that's brain damage, actually
>>84781025
sounds like rape to me. rape isn't sex with someone you're not attracted to
>>84781027
"weird fetishes" are just normal male sexuality

>>84781078
Where the hell do we have mass denial of men say they wouldn't fuck super hot 18 year old straight out of high school if they could? You're completely missing the point foids

>>84780937
>femoids can differentiate fiction from reality

>>84781125
I really don't see threads on /r9k/ of men sperging against other men of the extremely common indulgence of hardcore porn involving teens (many of them treated like shit in the industry and only getting into porn due to mental illness) but constant sperg-outs over women liking dark romance. The former is actually hurting people IRL, the latter is not.

>>84781116
>that's brain damage, actually
No, it's humanity.

>>84781034
you don't know what civilisation is you filthy socialist
>>84781078
the first one is healthy, normal male sexuality
>>84781092
yes, foids are feral rats who lack the ability to form coalitions like males do. we see this in the wild with male chimps and female chimps-the foid chimps frequently shun and eject other foids from the group while male chimps work together to kill the alpha chimp and rape small, juvenile foids
>>84781142
maybe to a christcuck

>>84781116
>"weird fetishes" are just normal male sexuality
Same for women, which is my entire point. Women are also sexual creatures who develop kinks. It's okay as long as it's not pedo or actually abusive/non-consensual.

>>84780942
>No one actually wants to be raped for real
But then you rape them and they say "I love you" and orgasm. I think you don't speak for all women and also that you haven't been raped by a man you're attracted to.

>>84781160
f*male sexuality is wretched and deviant and can only be corrected with violence

>>84781157
Women desiring tall, powerful men is also healthy, female sexuality.

>>84781175
Wait so do you want women to have sex with you or not? Such a weird, assbackward take.
Why is male sexuality seen differently? Why are foids not allowed to be sexual?

>>84781189
see;
>>84781175
>>84781191
foids should submit to whichever coalition is currently in charge and not take up positions in the male hierarchy. also when foids wander off alone they should expect to be roiped

>>84781054
Ngl this is waaay hotter
t.foid

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>>84781211
You are not a dark romance chad because you are neurotic as fuck. Your desire to "overpower" women comes from butthurt and seethe, not the smooth inherent nature of a sexy dark fae prince. It's definitely not the same vibe.

>>84781141
You're missing the point. We spam shit about dark romance to decondition incels who have been gaslit into just be nice or just be normal theory while using this as one of the many examples that point out that women are in fact deeply attracted to chad. This has nothing to do with women whatsoever despite you narcissistic foids thinking everything is about you we're not complaining to women and asking them to read books about fucking betas mostly about internal discussion and helping our fellow men see the realities of female attraction. We don't complain to women about this shit since women don't care anyways this is about internal male education.

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>>84780937
can foids?

>>84781224
The desire to control is inherently neurotic, but it's also attractive to women if that desire is expressed and acted upon with competence.

>>84781233
The men in dark romance are almost always nice and kind (and would literally die for her) underneath the surface btw.

>>84780920
just want to say that i would never report a rape, stop any abuse i personally saw, or otherwise help any woman who is a victim of male violence. i am completely serious and there are many other men like me in society. the number is only growing. i don't care what argument you use, logic, etc. i don't care.

>>84780942
>its a fetish not reality

so is Loli.

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>>84780920
>1.
- Women naturally find being pursued attractive.
- Men naturally want to pursue women.

>2.
- Neoliberal and feminist intersectionality theory states that all sex is rape.
(*unless consent is explicitly given at regular intervals)
- As well as all pursuit of sex is rapey.
(*unless consent is made explicit by the subject of pursuit is acceptable)

>3.
- Men are raised to believe (#2).
- Therefore, good men that care about being good and doing good to the people around them, believing that pursuit of their desires is rape, do not pursue women.
- Bad men, who don't care about being good or doing good to the people around them, naturally commit what they believe is rape in their minds and pursue women and don't think anything of it, because they are low inhibition.

>>84781211
Just move to the Middle East, bro. Keep this freak shit outta the West.

>>84781241
"I like to control women because it turns me on. Simple as that."
is not neurotic

"I'm going to control women because that's what these FUCKING WHORES WANT and they don't accept a true nice boy like me I HAVE TO RAPE AND CONTROL THEM AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
neurotic as fuck

>>84780920
I want to be "raped" by a fictional character that I LOVE. It's not actual rape because I want it deep down, it's just part of the game.
I dont want to be raped in real life by some psycho man.
Are you retarded?

>>84781233
So you'd rather watch porn with ugly women with traits you find attractive, rather than women with traits you find attractive?

>>84781242
Yeah no shit more importantly they're all 6ft gigachads. Do you really believe that someone with that personality including the 'smooth inherent nature of a dark fae prince' would be attractive if they were an ugly incel? The dark fae prince part is what's important. Anyways I tire of this discussion, but to conclude women are repulsed by mediocrity, are deeply attracted to certain archetypes of attractive and abusive men and are in deep constant denial of their desires and constantly moralize their preferences.

>>84781267
women with traits you don't find attractive*
my mb

>>84781261
with every fiber of my being, i really do hope it happens to you. the next time you are alone at night, even during the day. just some random small moment where you realize there is no one around who can help you, i do hope it happens. and i hope you reconcile with your disgusting foid fantasies in that moment. unfortunately, you will probably just find it even hotter after the fact, as is the case with any female rape victims.

>>84781267
If it was a romance novel/smut and yes moids sometimes read these too unironically yes, but women are too feablie minded to grasp this.

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>>84781274
Yes, of course they are hot. It's an idealized self-insert scenario. When men create fap stories or porn for other men, they also make the women hot as fuck unless they pander to some weird fetish like fat women or amputees.

>>84781280
I only want to be "raped" by my husbandos :3

>>84781054
>>84781215
gay
>>84781224
>>84781256
as i said, you're wired wrong and wouldn't last in the wild
>>84781242
you are a slave
>>84781254
THIS WAS THE WEST UNTIL YOU SOCIALISTS RUINED IT

>>84781274
>abusive men
You faggots don't even read dark romance. The majority of dark romance MCs are not abusive unless you're a triggered snowflake. The majority of dark romance MCs do not RAPE the women. Having rough sex or being pinned against a wall while she wants him to fuck her isn't rape or abuse.

>>84781078
>retarded foid completely misses the point
my god im impressed

>>84781309
she's right? you faggots can't complain

>>84781189
Yes but foids lie about this religiously

>>84781296
rape isn't about who you want to do it, and you will learn that with any luck. seriously, i am manifesting this for you.

>>84780920
Is that a screenshot from lolcow?
Why are males there?

>>84781290
They are hot because they're attractive and abusive if they had the exact same personality but were ugly then they would be coal. Anyways my point is that incels are correct and attractive guys can get away with pretty much anything groping whatever so they should get plastic surgery and shit. I don't even think we disagree as much as you think I do. You're just naturally defensive about your preferences and hate having a mirror to your face because female sexuality is inherently shameful.

>>84781309
>retarded moids are massive hypocrites as per usual
yep nothing new here

>>84781320
>rape isn't about who you want to do it
I know.
That's why it's not really a rape.
nobody wants that in real life retard

>>84781326
Most dark romance main characters (of well-selling books) are not abusive while in a relationship with the FMC. You don't even read this stuff, what the fuck are you talking about. They don't beat their women up or cheat on them. Holy shit stop lying.

>>84781303
larp, just isn't true.
>>84781313
the difference is women are pretending like they just want it to be a fantasy. most men who get off to that would willingly to admit to wanting to bang those women if they were able to. regardless of your judgement call on that, that is the difference. women lie, men will tell the truth.

rape is a social construct to women

rape means, you arent hot enough or rich enough for them
if you are hot and or rich, women will never consider it rape UNLESS they get nothing out of it. then they will use it to GET SOMETHING.

if you have nothing to give, women consider it rape.

ive known a few women that have been raped.
the only ones that it fucked with were the ones raped by guys who they thought were below them

the two girls i know who were raped by chads, actually have nostalgia for it and even say they constantly fingerbang themselves thinking about it

Dont moids fap to Stacy child fuckers?

>>84781256
>"I like to control women because it turns me on. Simple as that."
>is not neurotic
It's delusional *and* neurotic. All desire for control is inherently neurotic.

>>84781298
What are you even talking about? It's still the West and capitalism is still the main mode for most of the West. Are you schizo? I'm not even a socialist.

>>84781338
i want it to happen to you in real life. i will be manifesting this every night from now on. just try not to end up alone anywhere.

>>84781344
>larp, just isn't true.

It is true. Most books don't have abusive male characters who beat up and cheat or verbally abuse their girlfriends or wives. Some books have CNC at some points and that is considers super edgy.

>>84781303
>Having rough sex or being pinned against a wall while she wants him to fuck her isn't rape or abuse.
Yes we know that's the point I'm trying to educate other men on if you're an attractive chad and you fuck the shit out a drunk half unconscious chick at a bar without verbal consent then you're doing her a favour because she probably wanted it whilst doing the same as an ugly incel is rape. Again we don't disagree as much as you think we do we just have an accurate model of female desire.

>>84780920
>>84781344
I personally do find those rapey eroticas weird, but men will see ANY dark romance/rough sex/kinky fan art and call it rape fetish.
Most of the time it's not about rape.

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>>84781352
>All desire for control is inherently neurotic.

No, if you desire to control someone because you know it turns them on it's not neurotic. It's playful. If a man likes to tie up a girl because she becomes a flustered puddle and he likes to see her face go read, that's not neurotic. If he wants to control her because he thinks she will cheat with Chad, it sure is.

The fact that you can't see that already tells me everything I need to know.

>>84781370
Are you guys retarded? Do you think your mother would like to get fucked by a handsome man she doesn't know without her consent at a bar, pumped and dumped?

I want a redhair fembot to call me a dumb moid sperm dispenser ape

>>84781351
No we don't because we're not women obsessed with rape. Anyways my point on general female attraction stands consent in general isn't attractive but no consent from an incel is repulsive whilst no consent from chad is a foids wet dream. Once you realize that attractive men and unattractive men are subject to two completely different standards and realities then everything makes sense.

>>84781357
How do you even connect real rape to a sexsual fantasy where you get "raped" by a fictional character that reader finds sexsually attractive?
this makes no sense
whats your point

>>84781379
My mom is a retarded whore and has done that a bunch of times so unironically yes probably happens more often than you think.

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I'm telling you most of the seethe ITT is jealousy.
A lot of incels are deeply jealous of women. They want to be us and create this weird, idealized "easy mode" life of women in their mind.

Most men in here who are foaming at the mouth about "rape slop books" (even though most dark romance isn't even about rape) would LOVE if beautiful, powerful, yandere women were assertively pursuing them and pinning them against walls to kiss their neck. They think they can never get that so they re-direct their frustration like neurotic sissies towards women.

>i vote for war candidate
>no i don't want to fight in a war thanks teehee
womeme will never be equal

>>84781313
congrats you failed the iq test, retard. think about it a little

>>84781303
that is the EXACT definition of abuse you stupid hole. roipe isn't sex that gives you the ick
>>84781324
>why are males there
at least half the posters there are larpers including me
>>84781351
no lmao
>>84781355
only since the late 19th century, dipshit. back during the french revolution could cum inside a slut still, just look at napoleon and walewska

>>84781417
Theyre jealous of our hot fictional chads it's so funny

>>84781424
Right? literally getting their panties in a twist over men who don't even exist or never hurt anyone

>>84781423
Everything else ruined your life except yourself. Classic victim mentality.

>man reads book with beautiful woman who is powerful, whisks him away and takes care of all his problems
>woman also has assertive sex with him while he is a little timid and shy at first or struggles a little
>yeah hell yeah BASED mommy

>reverse gender scenario
>THIS IS ABUSIVE RAPE SLOP!!!! KILL ALL FOIDS!! FOIDS WANT TO BE RAPED AND ABUSED!!

Man fuck you hypocritical moid niggers

>>84781429
>males seething over men that don't even exist
3DPD moids are a meme simple as.

>>84781423
>at least half the posters there are larpers
Nah
>including me
Gtfooo

>>84780920
>>84780937
It's not even true, because every woman wants a man who makes more than her and has more power than her. That is reality.

>>84781417
Nobody here is foaming at the mouth over natural female desire you have no idea the kind of gaslighting and misdirection we've been subjected to and yes obviously but imagine if a ugly repulsive chick tried the same and the world kept telling her that there's nothing wrong with her looks. The anger doesn't come from your natural desires it just comes from our past deception that somehow life for very attractive men and non attractive men are somehow the same or comparable.

>>84781446
>sees the french revolution written down
>muh victim mentality
if it wasn't for proud bourgeois revolutionaries you'd still be the slaves of kings and queens

>>84781457
cope, i can see at least one guy who goes "haha but aren't some women into rape though" occasionally on there and it isn't me

>>84781461
Uh just like women are being gaslit by men since the creation of mankind? Umm just be a cute little house-wife virgin? And then men cheat, jerk off to porn, wihle you age they oogle at teens outside? Stfu.

>>84781465
men are annoying and ruin everything, what's new

>>84781461
And to further iterate all of the seethe comes from women when I correctly disseminate female desire and tell other men to get plastic surgery, become more attractive etc and tell them that they can basically get away with whatever they want which would be criminal and horrifying from unattractive men. Women seethe when men correctly figure out how they work and actually give each other good advice even though if most men got plastic surgery and focused on becoming more attractive instead of erroneous and worthless things like 'personality' men and women alike would be far happier.

>>84781470
do they ruin everything if you can't even tell which ones are men?

>>84781469
>jerk off to porn, wihle you age they oogle at teens outside
stop pathologising healthy male behaviours

>>84781462
You are directly saying you are a victim of that shit. What do you mean? Get it together and stop whining over every little thing. Your life will never improve if you keep acting like this.

>>84781469
No one ever gaslit you though no guy ever denied that younger women are more attractive and will often tell women to settle down before they dry up and become hags and we don't get mad at women actually pointing out how we work. As usual you all completely miss the point of redlpill/blackpill.

>>84781491
Ok, then just pretend "lying" and "gaslighting" are healthy, natural behaviours of women and you got no reason to complain.

>>84781500
Of course women were gaslit throughout all of history that men are the romantic, noble and loyal gender and that marriage is salvation. Then they get married and men cheat, coom, fantasize about little teens.

>noble knight and devout priest
>diddle kids and jerk off to trannies or teens after their wife destroyed her body birthing his sons and daughters

>>84781494
>just IMPROOOOOOOVE BRAH!!!
>*gets beheaded for looking at a noble for too long*
you are a slave
>>84781501
no

>>84781510
Yes, it's natural because women lacking physical strength evolved through nature to use words and wits to move forward in life including gaslighting. Literally natural and good.

Just using your logic.

>>84781501
They are though that was the whole point of Schopenhauer men defend themselves with violence women defend themselves with lies, illusions and dissimulation. It's not contempt it's understanding and you foids get mad at the brotherhood when we try and help each other and confer that understanding to help each other succeed sexually instead of tearing each other down.

>>84781508
>Of course women were gaslit throughout all of history that men are the romantic, noble and loyal gender and that marriage is salvation. Then they get married and men cheat, coom, fantasize about little teens
Marriage is a financial situation stupid foid none of those women were gaslit they got into marriages because otherwise they would starve to death your view of history is completely off.

>>84781514
except i said HEALTHY male behaviours. nothing about foids lying is healthy for the species

>>84781527
Women didn't starve to death way before marriage and religion were even introduced retard moid. They had tribes and families.

>>84781532
Men destroying their family bonds with porn and lusting after teens or hebes is also not healthy for them and brings them misery.

>>84781590
>They had tribes and families.
Yes they had fathers who would marry them off to other men because they didn't want to be stuck caring care of a female child forever that was the man's job to take care of a singular dependent foid no one sold you or gaslighted you on this prince charming shit except for literal fiction.

>>84781614
>marriage as a romantic or sacred concept existed 50 000 years ago
ROFLMAOOOOO
For most of history human women were not living in monogamous, sacred bonds with just 1 man.

Is this gonna be another thread? really?

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>>84781629
it's easy bait and everyone here yearns to argue and be correct so yes probably

>>84781623
You're talking about prehistory you don't even know the definitions of words you use shut the fuck up foid

>>84781623
I think there is more evidence of family units than otherwise. of course we'll never know for sure, and both of you are obviously propogandists who can't engage honestly.

>>84781510
>just IMPROOOOOOOVE BRAH!!!
>*gets beheaded for looking at a noble for too long*

how is this relevant to real life whatsoever?

>>84781633
You shouldn't be allowed to post on 4chan unless you can pass a stats quiz imo

>>84781635
So you mean I'm talking for the LONGEST time span of human existence and not the short time span of relatively modern life? Thus proving that for most of human history women weren't married and still survived? Ok.

>>84781637
Family units aka.. changing men... depending who the strongest was and killed off the men and took the women?

>>84781527
Source?
Also what about fairytales and ancient archetypes? The knight in shining armor has been a trope for almost ever.

>>84781637
I'm a honest propagandists trying to uplift incels who were gaslit with bl

>>84781650
>The knight in shining armor has been a trope for almost ever.
Foid I...
The Victorian age wasn't exactly "forever" read the Bible if you want to know what for the longest time the institution of marriage was supposed to be like.

>>84781644
i'd kill to take it, that sounds fun

>>84781590
>Men destroying their family bonds with porn and lusting after teens or hebes is also not healthy for them and brings them misery.
incorrect, porn is healthy and makes you feel great
>>84781638
the french revolution amd the ancien regime IS real life and what i was referring to

>>84781652
Ahem.
I'm a honest propagandist trying to uplift incels who were gaslit with bluepill just be nice rhetoric the other foid is just irrationally mad for no reason even though we agree on 90% of the same shit anyways.

>>84780920
Yeah, well I'm a man and I want to be raped nonconsensually in reality you stupid chud.

>>84781649
>Family units aka.. changing men... depending who the strongest was and killed off the men and took the women?
it's possible, but that realistically only happens when competition is high and resources are low
I do earnestly believe that most humans throughout history had small families
maybe several women with one man, but unlikely to be the other way around.

>>84781680
listen to yourself, man. you need to get a grip.

>>84781679
I'm talking about this very moment, the year is 2026.

>>84781679
>the french revolution amd the ancien regime IS real life and what i was referring to
I'm pretty sure significantly more people died from riots and starvation than looking at nobles. utterly desperate maneuver.

>>84781790
only herbertist chattel

>>84781796
You don't even know what you're trying to say anymore. go study the French revolution more.

>>84781807
yes i do. only poors, who were herbertists who robespeirre successfully persecuted as godless socialists, died from bread riots, nobles could have even normal people beheaded

>>84781820
the poor people still died, that's the argument. where are you getting this twisted?

>>84781886
and my point is i wasn't talking about poors

>>84781911
That was never your argument. What are you thinking that I missed?

bro thinks he wouldn't have been poor and starving during the french revolution

>>84780920
>>84780937
>>84780942
Samefag
Fag
llll

>>84781984
t. vendeean peasant

>>84780920
>>84780937
>>84781034
>>84781078
It definitely shows a natural desire for being dominated. That's the problem with them protesting male power and dominance. There is clearly a natural desire for male dominance and they are going against their own instincts by protesting it.

>>84782412
I do believe the difference here is that personal, individual relations where someone is dominant might be desirable
being oppressed isn't.

>>84782774
>when chad is dominant that's good
>when not chad is dominant that's bad
die cunt

>>84782780
I don't know how you came to that conclusion. stop acting so stupid.

lots of retards here

its by definition consensual if its fantasized about
>>84781116
>foids want to be manhandled
>sounds like rape to me
you have a few extra chromosomes retard

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>>84782780
>cannot fathom dominance without rape

>>84781101
t. Ranjeesh

>>84782807
let me guess, rape is when it gives foid the ick? rape wasn't invented in the 70s moron
>>84782819
>reading comprehension

>>84781675
End your stupid tripwhore life already

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>>84782958
no
i wish you a very happy and fruitful life dork

>>84780920
>>84781104

If someone were to watch a movie about aliens visiting earth and destroying a bunch of cities, people would watch it and be entertained by that right? But does that mean those same people would want that to happen in real life?

>>84783016
people wouldn't watch a movie about earth being destroyed because they wanted the earth to be destroyed, dumbo

>>84783042
Right, but you would be claiming they would be watching the movie because they want the earth destroyed. It's the same thing you are accusing the women who read smut of.

>>84783059
the smutfoids are reading books because they like rape, disaster movie watchers don't want the earth destroyed

>>84782774
Nope, there is no difference. Women love to do this shit these days actually. Every personal grievance they have with a man is societies fault.

They turn literally everything bad in their life into a giant political cause. Its basically just communism for sex.

>>84782819
>ew don't directly ask for my consent to kiss before kissing me thats a huge ick

>>84783016
Fundamentally, yes. They want a disaster scenaro to test their metal. Alien invasion movies aren't that popular but everyone fantasized about living in the zombie apocalypse when that was a big thing.

>>84780937
The only reason you read it is because you can't have it, because minotaurs aren't real.

Curious how 99% of the foidporn books are about mythical creatures and not about a mortal man.

>>84783076
The incel community could be described the same way. There isn't much difference aside from the specific grievances.

>>84783111
True but incel grievances are ignored while womens complaints about broader society are all taken as fact, backed by institutions and governments and generally accepted by the public.

>>84783158
I see this mentioned a lot here, what are some incel grievances that should be listened to by the public?

>>84783076
there is a difference, don't be daft.