i used to want to have 3 kids only 3-4 years ago, now i can't even imagine bringing life into this hellscape. the present is so bad for gen z compared to millennials and it's just getting worse and worse. i would only accept it if my husband was independently wealthy for life. otherwise i couldn't guarantee anything for my kids.
>>84796159>have a child>get maybe 18 years before you're given a chronic illness or even killed to give the kid a liminal moment in their life for behaviour modification purposesWhy would anyone do this?
>>84796159If you don't want to have kids you need testosterone levels checked immediately. Literally the goal of life. What is this fag post?
>>84796159You're an idiot. Please learn what the future will actually entail. Hint: it's not an indefinite progression of present and recent past trends. I know you're too stupid to research and speculate and extrapolate, though.
>>84796159>compared to millennialslmaoI'm millenial and in my mid 30s I can only afford 1 room flat without mortgage. Only good thing my generation had was childhood because it was before world going full paranoia and it was transition period between analog and digital worlds so I got to both play outside and in front of screen, and internet wasn't so centralized yet, though it was slow as shit. I'm really considering moving to the countryside and use fields my grandparents have there to farm food and either build some small home from scratch or inherit one from brother of my grandmother who looks like he's about to drink himself to death. If I will be able to sustain myself food-wise, I won't even need good job, just any job will do just to pay bills and save/afford entertainment. Only problem is no woman is willing to live such life in the countryside.
>>84796159you can bring kids into this world if you work hard, but more importantly you need someone you can trust to work hard with you and who you can trust.Too bad ill never have that
>>84796169why would you want kids in a declining empire? job security is dead and that alone could easily ruin the life of a kid.
>>84796159Thats not how it works. You dont wait for perfect circumstances to live, your life is a state of overcoming obstacles. There is never an end to the work that mist be done until you are dead. There has never been a time of peace or limitless abundance ever in history. Thats just some shit leftist losers try to tell you to excuse themselves from having to put effort into their lives. We live with more privilege and opportunity than any of our forefathers ever dreamed of. Societies dont grow on trees, you need to build them and as a woman your role in that is to have and raise kids who are able to face problems, not just refuse to have them unless they grow up in a problem free environment. How about a little bit of courage? A little bit of grit?
>>84796233>Only good thing my generation had was childhoodyeah, the only millennials who have it "good" are either the oldest of the gen, or got lucky in their youth.Gen Z keeps trying to turn this in an us vs them, when in reality we're all on the same sinking boat
>>84796307nobody has ever said anything had to be perfect. boomers and millennials had far better lives than gen z is having. people had shittier lives 200 years ago in a lot of ways but they more or less were forced to have kids and at least things were better for their kids usually as technology progressed. answer >>84796303
>>84796233The farm life isn't fun or easier than normal work which is why nobody wants to do it even in the poorest countries on earth where a normal job 11 hours a day with no breaks.
>>84796345Ok I guess just go extinct then, because you cant have it as easy as someone else did. Just ignore all generations previous to the 1950s that had to struggle too. Im not answering that other guy, he is also a belly acher
>>84796397the plan for humanity does seem to he extinction. all of latam, much of mena, even india all have tfr below replacement. in the west it's just even dumber to have kids because we're in an age of decline and extreme uncertainty of the future. ai could easily lead to apocalyptic scenarios and even the bright predictions would be disastrous.
>>84796233>>84796317You people failed in the easiest time in history aside from boomers, somehow. By happiness index reports, Gen Z is miserable compared to Millennials/Boomers and that's not because Millennials had it bad lol.
>>84796159>the present is so bad for gen z compared to millennials and it's just getting worseWe live in the single most decadent and comfortable period in recorded human history, in the most decadent and comfortable society in human history. Even the poorest person today has a standard of living poor people could not have imagined 100 years ago. And there are countless safety nets, charities, and safeguards to prevent you becoming one of those poorest people. We are living longer than ever in a life of what must seem unthinkable luxury to someone born in the 1800's. Whenever I see some stupid fucking zoomer spewing this bullshit about 'how bad things are', all I can think of is how pathetically limited this person's perspective is. That, or the morons are buying the 'don't have children' rhetoric wholesale without putting a moment's thought into it.
>>84796464respond to >>84796345. "people are starving in africa" doesn't make anyone feel better.
>>84796372It's not so bad. I've spent almost 25% of my life there and helped as a kid. Few years ago we've visited with father to cut and chop some dead, old trees so grandparents would have something to heat home with. It's physical work but elasticity of you deciding when and how much are you going to do is worth it. At normal job if you get tired you don't get break, you push through and wear yourself out. When you work for yourself you can take abreak easily and sit, drink water and enjoy sounds of nature.>>84796423Happiness is subjective. Some people enjoy what they have and are happies than those who have more but don't enjoy it. Appreciation is matter of personality and spectrum of experience. Someone who went through worse shit won't be bothered by less bad, but still bad stuff. When I was kid people were being beaten up for packs of cigs and car theft was common. Few years later you could get beaten up for phone and car theft turned into electronics theft because having old shitty car was so common it wasn't worth stealing whole car anymore. Today car theft if exists is highly specialized field where guys steal luxury cars on commision and more people return wallet full of cash or phone to police station than keep it because everyone has phone. So yeah, I can see improvement since my childhood. At the same time I can see that yeah, we can afford trinkets etc, but basic shit like homes are becoming out of reach because economy was devastated so much it's the only thing people still invest in, driving prices insanely high. Incidentally, it's homes you need to have families, not trinkets.At the same time as you get older you get less emotional. At my age instead of lamenting there might be a war I simply think how to secure second place to at least move future family to in time of war, or about learning how to fly drones and shoot to defend against shitskins my government is importing. Maybe that answers your happines index idiocy.
>>84796317>yeah, the only millennials who have it "good" are either the oldest of the gen, or got lucky in their youth>got lucky in their youthI'm a millennial who blew my chance to get lucky. I remember seeing BTC shilled on /b/ and /g/ when it was only pennies. Thought about buying and didn't because I decided it was some kind of scam.
>>84796423>Millennials are 1981-1996>Zoomers are 1997-2012>somehow it is inconceivable that a person born at the tail end of one generation can have more in common with the next generationAgain with the brother wars bullshit. And easiest time to be alive since Boomers? Nigga that was the 90s, which would be Gen X. Millenials had a brief window of success if they came of age end of Obama-early Trump. Either side of that was shit.As a whole gen z has it worse, but to deny it sucks for half the millennials too is retarded
>>84796484No, but 'everyone in human history had children in much worse conditions than you live in, quit your fucking bitching' does. It makes me feel better.
>>84796490You just don't understand what drives happiness. It's not first world crime rate levels deviating slightly or scary brown people or far off wars. It's largely economic opportunity, socialization, and attitudes on the future. Zoomers are entering a frozen job market without job security, homes are unbelievably unaffordable, an affordability crisis for everything that's not clothing or household appliances, and record student loan debt. Socializing has basically been made impossible once you graduate college unless you can make friends at work. The future is constantly being promised to be made dystopic by AI among other crises.>>84796554Children actually made their lives easier. That's the difference.
>>84796546Zillennials did graduate right before it became impossible to get a non-retail job
>>84796159>my husbandWhy can't you be wealthy?
>>84796641i can't get a job that pays even decently i'm a zoomer
>>84796169Life doesn't have "goals". Genes don't have minds or feelings, they're just the product of compound stochastic effects.
>>84796595>You just don't understand what drives happiness.Or you're just too full of yourself.>It's not first world crime rate levels deviating slightly or scary brown people or far off wars.It does play part.>It's largely economic opportunityYou mean one we're sharing? I've been saving almost all my paychecks for nearly 10 years and all I can afford is 1-room flat without getting mortgage. And prices only go up.>socializationI get none outside internet. Only stable group of people I talk to in firnedly manner are other anons from old /vg/ guild. I lost contact with my childhood friends when I was moving places for university and living. At work I have nothing in common with most coworkers because they are like 10-30 years older than me, with families.>and attitudes on the futureAnd I share it with you in part. I also think it's going to shit. But I've seen enough history to know imperiums rise and fall. There is no valid reason for our time to not have some civil war or something when history shows it keeps happening. So instead of lamenting I think how to win it.>Zoomers are entering a frozen job market without job securityThere is plenty of work, just not the type people want, not in conditions people want. I got myself teaching job when this profession has long lost its prestige and pays barely above minimum wage. But I also don't live in shithole like USA meaning I don't have to deal with niglets so I guess it's not as shitty as in US or other countries overrun by vermin.>an affordability crisisAlready mentioned it.>record student loan debtI don't know how you can fall for scam higher education is in US. You'd be better off just buying grinder, epoxy, putty, sandpaper and learning how to fix rust on shitboxes. It'll be more usefula nd get you more money than any paper these days could with exception of medicine.>Socializing has basically been made impossible once you graduate collegeSo nothing new.
>>84796543same. I mean I still think it is sorta a scam, but I should have listened to the advice to buy.That's the difference between the millennials and zoomers caught in this shit. Zoomers are hungry for action and the hustle, have a "get it before its gone" attitude because they see how fleeting everything is. Millenials were lulled into complacency, and a lot were caught unaware when shit hit the fan
>>84796811>Zoomers are hungry for action and the hustle, have a "get it before its gone" attitudeThat just makes them more scam-prone. Trying to look for get rich quick schemes is retarded. Throw money into an index fund like everyone else, only invest into uncertain memes once you have a surplus left to play around with.
>>84796776You realize I'm not arguing that you're not an unhappy loser? I'm talking about why zoomers are especially fucked and what generally affects happiness the most. You obviously failed at a much easier point in history and are sad about it. That has nothing to do with my argument. I'm also talking about the US specifically. A decade ago a degree got you 100k salary right out of college. Every single stable, high-paying job still requires a degree but now zoomers have unbelievable levels of competition. If you got the degree and the job a decade ago as millennials largely did, your attitude is high because you're succeeding.
>>84796890Well, keep crying and competing in pity olympics where there is no reward then. I'll probably at some point move to the countryside, try to snag myself woman 10 years younger than me and have few kids.
>>84796890>A decade ago a degree got you 100k salary right out of college.NTA but yeah... no... It (depending on the degree, so no bullshit like art history) got you access to a career that could, maybe in the future, be 100k a year. If you played your cards right.Yes that is better than zoomers current situation, where there is no job security or career future. But they weren't handing out these jobs like candy outside of very specific fields. Or if you were a woman with a marketing degree, I guess. Or were able to take advantage of affirmative action.>failed at a much easier point in historyeasier doesn't mean easy. You really have no idea what it was like back then, do you? You are nipping at some millennials in the same situation as you, when you should be more irritated at Boomers and GenX
>>84796970Fuck Gen X for having me at all lmao
>>84796997That's the spirit!But in all seriousness, as a millennial I actually envy the zoomers. As bad as it is, you guys are primed to be the Strong Men created by the Hard Times.
>>84796464We are living in the most decadent age, that is right, rest is meaningless seething. I feel jealous of third worlders because they have an actual community and families they feel truly part of. If there is a meaning, human can survive and thrive through everything. Meaning and hope quite literally dull physical pain and exhaustion, it have been studied. Once meaning and hope are gone, even brushing your teeth becomes drudgery.
>>84796159Having kids is the most retarded thing you can post about OP. You should probably eat that 12 gauge if you have kids cause its new zealand bunkers and mars mission 20 years out.
>>84796970I'm exaggerating a little bit but the system more or less worked as is. Things were certainly on the downturn after 2008, but things are falling off a cliff right now. It's pretty obvious why Millennials are roughly as happy as boomers and zoomers are not. The median first-time home buyer age hovered around 30-32 for decades until COVID and has risen to 40. The Greatest Generation suffered significantly but at least had huge economic opportunity post-WWII.>>84797982Why do you think it'd be that bad?
>>84798095>Millennials are roughly as happy as boomersI don't buy those happiness stats desu. The only other millenials I see that are "happy" are chemically regulated (SSRIs, alcohol, drugs), or those that were already well on their way to a stable life pre-COVID (job, marriage, family). I guess 50% of the gen being happy is better than 0% for zoomers though
