I know this is an unpopular take here but I have to say it. Killing a fetus for having down syndrome is fucked up. You are killing a beautiful child who could grow up to live a wonderful life. Him/her being disabled doesnt make her less happy. That is YOUR selfish decision.
abort that shit. your time is limited, raise the one you want.
desu i wish i was born with down syndrome those guys seem to be only people enjoying life
>>84797410You can always opt to adopt. Refusing to go through the pregnancy to KILL that child is completely fucked
>>84797392There was a case I just saw a video about of a well-adjusted down syndrome girl, she was even a cheerleader and was normie. But she got some sickness and it basically made her regress to the point where she's non-verbal and retarded. It's sad
>>84797425Plenty of children don't get adopted. Why subject a child to that sort of life where they know they're unwanted to that degree
>>84797460Because they are pro birth what happens afterwards is none of their concern
>>84797425abort that downie mofucka.try again and raise the one you want. your time is limited
>>84797411real talk. the ones with shitty parents get filtered at a young age, they'll die in a crack den at 2. the remaining ones will have parents that care and put them in all these cutesy programs where they do fun activities all day. "normal people" like us, who apparently have the higher standard of living, trudge through adulthood for 60 years and hate most of it.
it's time to grow up, no one cares about other people, the important thing is taxes, they won't work not have kids so they should die
>>84797392>You are killing a beautiful child>beautiful child>Down's Syndrome Kek, got a laugh out of me. Thanks anon
>Infants with complications should just be shredded and vacuumed up>Parents that conceive complicated pregnancies should just be shot in the head >Women who miscarry should just be shot in the head >Anyone alive with a complication or disability or sexual disorder that prevents them from reproducing should just be shot in the head Am I missing any other natural extensions of this logic?
>>84797450that's just terrifying honestly. can you link the video?
>>84797460Downies are too retarded to think someone can dislike them, its why sociopaths love abusing them they keep coming back to them like everything is fine
>>84797392It is fucked up but I'd still do it.
>>84797392>>84798136Nobody actually believes that fetuses are people.You lose personhood once you can no longer be conscious, and you gain personhood once you can be conscious. Basically all abortions happen before consciousness is possible, and the remaining ones are almost always because it's medically necessary.
>>84797392I hate christcucks so much.How is it more kind to doom your child to a life unworthy of life? Keep in mind most downies have difficult births constant chronic health and pain problems killing them is a mercy
>>84798384>You lose personhood once you can no longer be conscious,So in addition, people who are comatose'd, put under for anesthesia, knocked out, and who simply fall asleep should be shot in the head, (if not just it would be permissable to shoot them in the head) in addition with >Parents that conceive complicated pregnancies should just be shot in the head >Women who miscarry should just be shot in the head >Anyone alive with a complication or disability or sexual disorder that prevents them from reproducing should just be shot in the headBecause they all produce complications. Thanks for answering my question. Any last ones I'm not seeing?
It's a bit fucked up though because the latest you can abort is 6 months, or 23 weeks and 6 days and a fetus can be birthed and survive with treatment before this and many have. Meaning its basically a mostly formed human at this point but isn't seen as such and can be shredded to death. Abortion mostly happens before 10 weeks though but I didn't know they could be aborted at 6 months.
>>84798477When I said "can no longer be conscious" I obviously don't mean temporarily. I don't know why you're sperging out.
>>84797410>>84798532Just more proof women are evil and shouldn't have rights or make decisions about their own bodies.
>>84797392>Killing a fetus for having down syndrome is fucked upState why. Otherwise it's just a claim in the nothing.>You are killing a beautiful childSo is it a child or a fetus? Be consistent.>Him/her being disabled doesn't make her less happy. Happy is worthless. If you're over 10 and still pursue "happy", you're the retard.Life is extremely difficult, you want your offspring to have advantages, not disadvantages. If I have to explain that, you're already too stupid to argue with.
>>84797425>is completely fuckedaccording to whom?
>>84798572I think only men are people. Women are almost people. But they should be our slaves and have no bodily autonymy because they have proven they can't be held accountable like men.
>>84798606its evil not to abort a downie
>>84798622No. I mean it's evil that the woman decided. Women shouldnt be legally considered human. They don't put female inmates in with the male inmates, or let transwomen into womens restrooms, because women want young femboys to get raped instead of being treated equal to men. Separating the sexes isn't equality any more than separating the races was equality and women, while not people, enable rapists and evil men who are people. In a truly egalitarian society women would be afraid to drop the soap.
>>84798622no but 6 months is fucked up, I had no idea you could do that legally. One mother has a premature birth and as soon as it comes out that legally a human, you get a murder charge for killing it but another woman who decides to abort at 6 months is valid and the fetus has 0 right and can be scrambled to death. Fucked up.
>>84798639>Women shouldnt be legally considered human.Sorry, I meant people. Of course these nonpersons are human. Sorry, everybody.
life is already pretty shitty even if you were born normaldon't force someone handicapped to exist if you can spare them
>>84798572A human can and will be conscious after his gestation just as a human can and will be conscious after he is asleepThe pregnancy is happening inside of a temporal reality the same as a nap is, and so the state of development you are in at the moment is called temporary. >I don't know why you're sperging out.ITT we're talking about disabilities being the justification for killing people. Fair enough. I'm just mentally going through a checklist of who it is permissible to kill under that logic. I didn't start off talking about personhood or qualifiers for a human worthy of rights, that was you. You randomly replied to me here >>84798384 to rope me into this point that you raised to OP. Now you are complaining that I am interacting with you based on how I was responding earlier as if I don't have my own prerogatives for posting ITT
>>84798687Up to like 20 weeks or so, a fetus can't experience consciousness and never has been able to. If you're sleeping, you have experienced consciousness before. Why should something that has never been able to experience consciousness be called a person? There's nothing analogous to these fetuses in the real world.
>>84797392>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO RAISE A DEFORMED RETARD WHO WILL BE A MASSIVE DRAIN ON YOU FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFENope.
>>84797425>KILL that childWhat child? Pre-conscious human beings have nothing we value in human beings. Zero experiences. Zero ability to think. Unironically, just cells.
I would kill it after birth if it has down syndrome.
>>84798687Embryos dont have developed cerebrums meaning there is nobody there mentally speaking. You arent killing anyone, you are killing a literal cluster of cells however.
>>84797392What was ltg's take on it? Not gonna watch a 19 min vid for it.
>>84798727>There's nothing analogous to these fetuses in the real world.Fetuses are in the real world, you are living in the same real world as them Furthermore they would just say that people in need of care are analogous to the fetus >Why should something that has never been able to experience consciousness be called a person?The ability to experience consciousness is not held by someone who is asleep; a sleeping person is unable to do anything consciously. It doesn't matter if you have done something in the past, because as we've laid out, if something can change, that doesn't matter, we're only speaking in the present moment. Further, it doesn't really make sense to draw a definitive line at something that we can't quantify or qualify. Next we would be arguing about whether babies themselves are actually conscious, or young children if they can't remember anything, and so on. >>84798797You're moralizing for no reason. Speaking in terms of principle, if you're going to kill a human, just kill a human. An embryo is "a human." A cerebrum is not "a human.">you are killing a literal cluster of cells however.A cluster of trillions is still a cluster. Even with the natural deaths of fertilized eggs, that is still categorically a human death.
>>84797392you should be forced to abort DS babies or babies with severe disabilities, especially ones affecting mental ability. they're a net negative for society, every other species of females abandons them.
>>84798985In addition, parents who conceive of a baby with downs syndrome or any other disability or complication should be euthanized.
>>84798973People who are sleeping have experienced consciousness. We have qualified that having experienced consciousness is the line. Fetuses after 20 weeks or so have the neurochemistry mechanics required for consciousness.
>>84798997nah, they can still be valuable to society and it might be a genetic defect originating from only one parent. only the contributing parent(s) should be sterilized
>>84799020These are just people who have not consciously experienced being a person then, it doesn't mean they are not people. They are, in the moment of examining them, qualitatively the same as people who are not currently consciously experiencing their personhood.Also, words like "person" and "people" just simply mean being a human being. What you mean to say is a human worthy or rights and protection by "person" right? >We have qualified that having experienced consciousness is the line. Fetuses after 20 weeks or so have the neurochemistry mechanics required for consciousness.This is an aside now, but you've done so in quite uncertain terms. What exactly is the "neurochemistry mechanic" that appears and at what point in the development? Not a time range guesstimate. >>84799058Even if you were to use them as slave labor in a dungeon for the rest of their life, it would save more time and money to just dispose of them at the moment. >only the contributing parent(s) should be Both should be, because you also want to get rid of the genes that select for defective people.
>>84799088No, you're a person once you've experienced consciousness sometime in the womb. You lose that personhood once you can longer experience consciousness ever again, i.e. by dying or by being terminally comatose. That's why I didn't say that consciousness being there makes you a person period. I'm saying person to mean human being worthy of moral consideration as I've heard that as a philosophical concept.The time guesstimate is probablistic but that's also true when you're terminally comatose.
>>84797392Abortion is good if the child is retarded.
>>84798985Or the state shouldn't steal from you to give to downies.
>>84799121Person is a word meaning human being. You are a person if your parents are human like how you become a father if you get a woman pregnant. These are statements of category. >I'm saying person to mean human being worthy of moral consideration as I've heard that as a philosophical concept.Yes, I had though you meant something like this. But the entire concept is stunted in its own logical paradigm. No human is worth moral consideration, because human morals do not matter. Either all humans have duties to discharge or the phrase 'human duty' is meaningless; either all humans deserve rights or there's no use appealing to them as such, they are just privileges you happen to enjoy at this moment. Which brings me back to the temporality of the concept of this privilege suddenly befalling you at a random point of around a 20 weeks of age. What intrinsically is different about a state of consciousness you will awake to if it's at its start, end, or any time in between it? A trough is a trough, a peak is a peak. A cycle of activity is still an active cycle if it begins at a trough. Unless, of course, you can promulgate on what is intrinsically different about one trough vs another. >The time guesstimate is probablistic but that's also true when you're terminally comatose.The consequence of being wrong wouldn't matter if you were just upfront about killing people in no uncertain terms being permissible like I've been. That requires no mental gymnastics that don't stand up to scrutiny.
>>84797392Most very sick or downie children die very young anyways, modern healthcare can just be used to force them to stay alive. If you were a tard or very frail would you want to live life knowing you can't contribute to society past being a cleaner or something and need constant med attention? Even if you were very stupid you'd still feel bad for being an adult that can't even support themselves. I was supposed to die shortly after birth, but was forced to live a shitty life where most of my part time work money went to med bills and Im going to kms so not hurt or used anymore by bad people. There was literally no point to my existence other than suffering or being forced to do things for others, and I will always despise the people who "saved" me as a child for going against God's will and forcing me to live such a shitty life. No one wants a shitty life.
